Archive talk:Team - GvG Shockwave Spike

This build is ran quite often now, and it packs a very powerfull spike, I dont know its full ersion tho, might nee some halp. :P Игорь 12:04, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
 * these teams are too gay :(.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic
 * Just split. &mdash;  Skakid  23:02, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, you can CoF every Shockwave spike pretty easily, and if you interrupt at least 1 obs you should be good. &mdash;  Skakid  23:03, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Never the less these teams still pwn and eat PS for breakfast, left mi guild btw. :P --/\/\/\[[Image:SuperIgorsig.jpg|19px]]Игорь 07:27, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Points at glyph of concentration. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  09:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

You're setting it up wrong. No glyph of conc, all eles have 2 shadow steps.


 * I dont kno the exact shape of the build, but there is one SS as far as i kno. --Super Igor 18:40, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

DC and DP on all the eles. Only glyph is ele power. And i hate you for posting this. Rawr awr  08:04, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Mmmsecond. --71.229 08:11, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I've never actually seen this win, and I've only ever flawlessed it because my mes and prot arent bad o_o Rawr  awr  08:13, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I did see it win quite a lot, this why Im posting it. -- Super Igor  08:17, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No need for WaE either. Rawr  awr  08:27, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Why? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  08:29, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Because its shit and people run hardly any elemental damage worth noting (l-orb, frozen burst) and you havent got ice prison in the build. Rawr  awr  08:32, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I never seen Ice Prison on this build, why? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  08:35, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Its in all the time. For raping flaggers that are coming in, and for snaring warriors if you're bored. Rawr  awr  08:36, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I was thinking of a snare on the flagger surely, but on the spikers I would go for Grasping Earth for extra snare because the buiuld already has ward against foes which is good against meelees but cant be spammed as often as Grasping which would do better job against the Flag Runners, amirite? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  08:39, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
 * meh... I was facepalming through that entire match on obs. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 11:31, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

No Glyph of Ele power, you want it to only do 60 dmg each hit, ie 15 Earth. That way, SB is teh useless. moush$2+2=4$ 04:16, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah Yeah, prolly will make it with higher energy storage and 13 earth, I kno the SB thing, thx anyway. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  07:14, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Ive guested for a few a bunch of guilds that like running this in the 600-1200 range and unlease you right a team that is smart enough to split its pretty much an instant win. We played a ton of teams that run cry, but it really doesnt do 1/100th of what you think it does. I remember we played 1 team that had cry on mesmer, and cry and para and we raped them easy enough, and this was with no glyph of concentration. Simply spreading out and repatition will get u a spike in, and when u gegt it you normally get2-3 at once. Hell we once got 7 at once lol. Anyways is it a great balanced build that is prefect for gvg, hell no, is it a strong and fast aoe spike that makes me laugh yes. Knock it all you want, but don't just stand there and try and well it bc you think cry auto wins against it lol. ps to all you nubs who r gonna flame me for commenting i enjoy guesting with ppl that run this, don't bother bc no way ill ever check this thread again lol.I Heal If U Shutup 21:25, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

RIP IT APART!!!! GOGOGO!!!!
--<font color="Black"> Super Igor  07:45, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I have seen this build in action, and i have to say: IT TOTALLY SUCKS!! 1 WoH monk could easily withstand the damage his ally took upon him. It's a nice idea, but it lacks too many things. only offense=selfkill

A good counter would be, frenzy while under spirit bond, lol --Rimo 09:40, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You still die in that occasion. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  09:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but this doesn't seem that good to me. No rend, not a lame defense, glyph can be cry'ed(according to if you're good, you'll run this on buring AT, where people run cry para's + cry mesmers for ownage). Also, diversion and shame ownzz. Thought this over again and i'm wrong. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  09:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)If they cry Glyph, then how do they cry the spike? This is damn near unprottable, with 57dmg going through each "wave." Prot Spirit won't reduce the dmg, and Spirit Bond won't heal it back.  09:47, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Just take off all your armor, then you can Spirit Bond it, GG. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  09:49, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It would wear off after 10hits anyways, which is 3.3333 Shockwavers. Those would do significant amounts of damage, and then theres the rest of the spikers. EDIT: Or you could just kite it lawl.  09:57, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * The second Cry. Like i said, you have 2. Also, I forgot about the 3 waves instaed of one. This is lamez. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  17:08, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Wouldn't Shield of absorbtion totally destroy the spike? 219.77.88.179 06:45, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Pretty much; yeah. Too bad you can't SoA 8 targets, and SoA isn't 1/4, no? —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:42, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

This is, sorry to say, a piece of trash build. A full, 8 man spike team with no enchantment removal and no shutdown, just straight damage. For God's sake, you don't even have the minimum pressure relief, just a bunch of wards. My guild, actually the joke smurf of my guild, ran a joke pack hunter build and rolled a midlevel ladder guild running this trash. It can be split and powerplayed very, very, very easily. But the truth is, most teams don't have to. Oh and by the way, Mirror of Disenchantment makes a freakin' comedy out of this build when five copies of Earth Attunement take a vacation for the rest of the match. Derek The Lash 12:23, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * you suck Rawr  awr  12:58, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

woh
wth is up with rof+patient spirit on the woh? <font color="#033361">Railin 11:32, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm gonna go ahead and guess that they're healing spells. On a healer. Gogey 11:42, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * only fucktards bring both, one or the other dumbasses, RoF = Spike catch and small heal. Patient = Heal/cover enchant 24.141.45.72 14:07, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Cute. --71.229 14:11, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It's because if they divert woh, you're getting rolled. Patient spirit also helps with that. Anyhow, rof + patient = lulwut r baed. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  17:09, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

HA
Would it work there?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  12:28, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No. Rawr  awr  12:33, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Seen it work with a few tweaks. Three DStomp/Shockwaves packing Churning and a smoke trapper and a frontline instead of the two and the flagger. --71.229
 * Cry of Frustration [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 12:54, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * oh and a bunch of rangers with elemental armor [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin  12:55, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It rolled the shit out of Sway. But the guild running it didn't suck, so I guess that isn't saying a whole lot. --71.229 12:56, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Cry doesnt go through conc fool. And this can still spike rangers. Rawr  awr  12:56, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * i thought conc only affected one spell (shadowstep) my bad. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 13:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't need shadowsteps to get squishies in adjacent range in HA. And it wasn't so much a spike as it was pressure anyway. --71.229 13:04, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Dash would be enough, amirite?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:35, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Or just standing totally still. :O --71.229 13:36, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Rly?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:36, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * yarly --71.229 13:39, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * How?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:40, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Stand in the middle of the arena
 * Wait for a squishy to run right up to you because he's never healed before and he's freaking out about the R/D sitting on his face
 * Profit! --71.229 13:43, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Sitting on his face, huh?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:45, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Taint on lips. --71.229 13:45, 15 April 2008 (EDT) yeah, yeah, wrong slang term. go pwn to your mother. D:<
 * This sucks in HA because no ench removal, so you lose on KoTH. Rawr  awr  13:48, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't ask me, I just obsed them. --71.229 13:50, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Currently working on HA version. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  19:35, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I lol'd at the four step plan to trap a squishy. (Kiron 23:54, 15 April 2008 (EDT))
 * I lol'd at the four step plan to trap a squishy. (Kiron 23:54, 15 April 2008 (EDT))

Counter Section
Please put in a counter section as it helps people understand what to watch out for, as i have not tested i will not put in but one major counter i already see is splitting...
 * Dazed, interrupts, especially a perfectly timed Cry of Frustration (although you'll usually be able to get by these with Glyph of Concentration, unless that gets interrupted too), enchantment removal will screw with your energy, e-denial will also screw with your energy, anti-caster hexes (and enchantments, like Obsidian Flesh, Vow of Silence, and Shadow Form, but I don't think these are too common in GvG), hex removal/counters (Holy Veil will annoy the Flag Runner if it's on his target, but it's mostly just the Flag Runner that anti-hex will work against) and you haven't any enchantment removal.
 * Also, some decent variants would be Magnetic Surge (no exhaustion ftw), and Crystal Wave/Teinai's Crystals, to get passed armor (although this might be hard on your energy). Plus, a Mesmer or Necro might come in handy; maybe something with Echoed Blackout or Arcane Echoed Wail of Doom so you can disable their support. It could make spiking that much easier. -Mike 17:04, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You're totally wrong. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  17:12, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * He makes some very good points, many of these should be listed on the page Muryman 17:33, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * He really doesnt. Rawr  awr  17:43, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No wai he does any good points. This spike doesnt need anything more and has nearly no counters worth mentioning. oh btw, you can instawipe half the opponent's squad with this. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  19:38, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank the Gods, skills like Diversion, Blackout, Backfire, Wail of Doom, other Spell stealing or disabling skills, casting time increasing hexes and Energy denial skills don't exist. /cough -Mike 21:32, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * That's pretty impressive. --71.229 21:41, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Too bad 90% of those arent run, and you have fuckin 3 monks for hex removal. Rawr  awr  21:51, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I only see two primary Monks, and an E/Mo (lulz, Emo). Plus, 2 Holy Veils won't always be enough. -Mike 21:53, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It will unless you're going up against Hexway, and then it's just pure build wars. --71.229 22:00, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I find it somewhat amusing that the team wouldn't be able to kill a 55 monk, PvP or not. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but it might be worth adding some more variants, namely hex removal, and enchantment removal. You could try to fit in a WoD Necro, with Foul Feast and Plague Sending in order to compensate for the loss of Restore Condition if you need an Elite Hex removal spell. That way, you'll get your Monk counter and Condition management (transfering). -Mike 22:02, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * DUDE. GEE-VEE-FUCKING-GEE.  NOT AB.  NOT PVE.  GVG.  NOBODY RUNS 55s IN GVG, AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR SUGGESTING THEY PACK A COUNTER FOR IT. --71.229 22:12, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It isnt an emo runner, just whoever copied the build up got it wrong. If you take a nec, you lose your spike capability. Its fine as it is. It has more than enough defence (3 mo, wards) Rawr  awr  22:14, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Im speechless from your knowlege of the game Mike... Lively Was Naomei, YES, everybody run that in GvGs. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  06:51, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

I wasn't suggesting that people run 55s in GvG, nor Lively was Naomei (that was just filler, along with a couple other links, because I wanted moar blue text XD). I laugh at people who run 55s in PvP, because when I play my sin, Vampiric Assault>Protective Spirit. This build would have had plenty of weaknesses, if it weren't for the Wards (which I think the creator did a good job in including them), but Hexes and skill disabling (mostly from Mesmers) still seem to be an important counter. They're at least worth mentioning. -Mike 07:19, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Just fyi, 15 packets of damage beats PS (ie 55 monks) -- Mala [[Image:MalasigMagebane_Shot.jpg]] 16:03, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Contagion Pressure team build could slow it down but not kill it (I don't think it would) EoD Itzl 17:59, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * .... —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  14:12, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Flag Runner
Why is it a faggoty ele? You don't need snares on burning, nor do you need a ele. Monks r gud. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  17:11, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

theif


 * Sign fail. And, what if you are not on Burning? Wussup with burning anyways? Snares on a flag runners are gud, they slow down other flaggers protect the squad from meelees and help out with spikes no? Heal Party is gud too. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  19:40, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Igor you have no idea. This is monk runner always. There is no advantage to ele apart from a crappy snare for a flagger which wouldnt help because your a spike build, meaning you roll fast or lose anyway. Rawr  awr  21:48, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Flag runner is epic, Unyielding Aura over Shield of Judgment imo. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush$2+2=4$ 00:06, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Why the hell is the flagrunner a 55 monk? I loled when I saw that! ooops forgot to sign inLuminarus 01:55, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I logged in to say i loled at the flagger it i very inventive can't belive i didn't think of it. IMO igor is a idiot SoJ does all the thinks he just mentioned the other flagger stands there and watches you cast SoJ,It is godly prot from the meelees and help spike with epic dmg yes even so i agree with moush we should put in Unyielding aura and make soj a variant Champion 05:50, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Fucking hell a 55Monk, Panic made it a 55hp Monk, wth with messing with my posts anyway? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  06:43, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * tbh it's a not-so-subtle hint to make the runner a monk. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  06:46, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You are sick... --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  06:47, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Just laugh about it like everyone else. Here... I'll even undo it for you, cupcake. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  06:53, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Aw. Too slow. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  06:53, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

If it's not on burning; you could just type /rsgn. This should be used in AT only imo. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  11:35, 17 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Ur bad unexist, you don't play anymore. This can be used on hunters etc, though optimal can be burning, its a farm ladder build and works.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  11:38, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Warriors/Hunters is bad map to take. It are also non-split friendly maps. Anyhow; feel free to run this at frozen but it'll be hard. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  14:14, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Ive seen this run before it was on the wiki the falg runner is a second woh monkMr Prash 15:31, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

april 17th 08
serves you right for stealing it
 * No one steals builds. Calm down, it was bound to get nerfed. Zefir 20:09, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * can't say i'm not upset. [[Image:Iliekfrenzy.jpg|50x19px]]<font color="Brown">Punjab 20:20, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * 1 sec casting time, go go cry of frustration :) Frantic 20:37, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I guess the stealing thing was based on when Epic Failing Europeans ran it before this was posted (It worked for what, 1 spike?), but who really cares? Gogey 20:41, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Fucking anet, they nerf an already shitty skill that only has a use in a spike team. The problem wasn't with this skill, it was the fact that you could teleport to anyone every 15 seconds and rape. Fucking IMBA shadowsteps. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush$2+2=4$  20:50, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah.... Gogey 20:53, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * People would cry even more if anet nerfed the shadowsteps. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 21:44, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It's only until after the mAT --Usual 22:32, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course they would cry, then they couldn't go ez mode with their broken skills. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush$2+2=4$ 01:48, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Also, Glyph of Concetration nerf :0  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  03:18, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Worst case scenario, I hear Shadow Walk is pretty gud. --71.229 03:21, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I heard it wasn't :O  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 03:23, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I heard you're a whore. D:< --71.229 03:24, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I heard NO U! D:<  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 03:24, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * ); --71.229 03:27, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * did everyone else miss the bit where it's only for two weeks while they run the April cash GvG tournies? Says they're going to revert on May 1st. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  04:13, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Good thing, too, my PvE build really depended on that 10e Aegis. --71.229 04:15, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * 15e Aegis, just a plain pointless nerf from A-Net with wub. D:<
 * Ahem read the top of the update http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Developer_Updates#.5BDev_Update.5D_Game_Update_Notes_-_17_April_2008Shure 12:44, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Ahem. Read the post that's three above yours on this page. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  13:15, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Some of those changes need to stay, but shadowsteps have always needed a nerf. If it was just to balance, I'm confused about buffing useless skills (Fragility). [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush$2+2=4$ 15:44, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * This didn't do much to shadowsteps...  08:09, 20 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Who said they did anything to them? [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush$2+2=4$ 00:17, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Archive. This will be getting a even bigger nerf at 1 may, or i'm eating my own head. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  10:38, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

HA (again)
I just had a thought that if you are going to try to convert this into an HA build, you need to change a few things. For 1, you need a faster recharge time on the spike. I was thinking, and figured that you could create a spike with a similar concept (shadowstep + PBAoE) by using Ride The Lightning + Flame Burst for a similar result, but with a 5 second recharge. Thoughts? 68.231.12.44 12:11, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
 * The Exhaustion from Ride the Lightning might hurt a little, and you lose out on a little bit of AoE, but that isn't a big deal. -Mike 15:50, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No, you'll lose the builds best aspect: It hits under the radar (i.e. Prot spirit and spirit bond). --ClaudiusMaxus 08:35, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Nobudy carries prot spirit in Ha, and AoE from shockwave, you don't wanna miss that in ha(lol capture points lol). Sb doesn't help much against elemental spike, you might luckily preprot 1/8 spikes but not more, unless their caller is bad. RtL is bad overall, except for the old ancestors / RtL trick, which is nerfed ages ago. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  08:55, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I herd two element spread wuz gud. ¬.¬ --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  05:15, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

update
shockwave has one second activation time now. Will it still work?
 * ur a little late bud [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush$2+2=4$ 05:11, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
 * i know i am.....and doesnt answer my question.. wow...
 * dont forget to sign + look at the top of any page carefully to get the answer. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  11:30, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
 * why cant yall just tell him yes or no. I hate ppl that do that.
 * They did. At the top of every single page on this site:
 * Attention: The recent update is only temporary. It will only last for 2 weeks. Therefore, do not make any builds based on the updated skills. Thank you for your cooperation. --71.229 21:46, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

perma update
1 sec cast now- <font color="Red">Jak123X 00:36, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
 * *gasp* [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 01:00, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
 * The thing that hurt it was the Glyph of Concentration nerf. Now that it only effects 1 spell, you'd have to use Shadow Walk if you want Shockwave to be uninterruptable.  That means 30 sec recharge between AoE spikes. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush  01:34, 26 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Now killed by CoF due to that nerf. I vote archive. 68.231.12.44 23:30, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Agreed, archive. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  09:15, 1 June 2008 (EDT)