Archive talk:P/any Utility Paragon

works, ran it a few nights ago in gvg. its not a variant though? -- Ang el us 22:20, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * hmm since its not Cruel Spear i figured i should throw up a new bar. What we can do is have a general gvg para bar, and list optional elite as cruel spear or shatter, then another optional as cry, strip ench, never surrender, etc. which would the community prefer? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 22:21, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * If they don't play significantly differently from each other like the rangers do (use the rangers as a guideline for 'significantly different'), then merge. Otherwise keep separate. I wouldn't know specifically for Paragon bars since I don't GvG. Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 22:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * well they play pretty similarly, but there is a pretty wide range of different skills they bring. its your call tor ^_^ &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 22:26, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * seems like the elite on these paragons get changed every day. we should make a universal build. they all basically have gfte, vicious, lightning, and flame. could make something pretty general from that. envy is still viable too. -- Ang el us 22:28, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * the different skills include (elites: TPIY, Cruel Spear, Shatterstorm), (non: cry, power spike, strip ench, never surrender, anthem of flame, anthem of weariness, spear of lightning, wild throw, fall back), and im sure i forgot some, so it would be a super general guide, and i don't like guides with 4 skills on them, i would much rather have one basic cruel spear, then one basic non-cruel spear. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 22:31, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^Probably the best course of action. If you really wanted to, you could also write up a guide like this one, but if I'm not mistaken, Paragons aren't as staple as rangers are to PvP. Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 22:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Tbh i haven't been seeing anything but cruel spear/tpiy running. Shatterstorm is overkill ench removal too,esp considering there's rarely going to be more than a single prot on a target. A shatter from your mes ought to be plenty of remove on spike =\--TahiriVeila 22:32, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * i've seen at least a handful of guilds running shatterstorm in the past 2 at's i did, it's being commonly run, and its far from overkill (why do you say dumb things like that?). what about, one P/any cruel spear, we can list optionals like p/n, p/me, then one p/any with the elite open for tpiy, shatterstorm, and then one more optional for cry or w/e? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 22:35, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't mind listing optionals on the cruel spear page, there are plenty of guilds running cry to keep apply down, get attunes, etc. I n the last3 ATs I've played/obsed I saw ONE team running shatterstorm, and they were r250ish. There's just no need for elite enchantment removal when you're not running a pure spike build, and having two skills that can apply deepwound from a range is really strong.--TahiriVeila 22:38, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * im not getting in a pissing match over who say who run what. its a valid build, im gonna start making the guides. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 22:43, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

How comes this skill is tagged meta, but still voted "good"? Seems to me a meta build should be great, otherwise it wouldn't be meta...
 * It should, but that's the way Real Vetting works, more people need to great vote a meta build! --Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 14:24, February 5, 2010 (UTC)