Archive talk:R/any Expert's Dexterity Ranger

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cirque showed me this bar. --Readem 13:45, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

ranger goes pew pew. --Readem 14:49, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Less forked arrows, less rend, more hunters shot, more lightning reflex.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  15:00, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

no you are doing it bad. --Readem 15:07, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * no the only thing bad is that lightning reflex stops dexterity, and hunter shot ftw. Soul4hdwn 15:23, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Theres nothing wrong with stopping dexterity if you still have the 33% IAS, but you have blocking to stop ganks. Also, hornbow?  Replace the hornbow with a shortbow (best for turrreting) and the longbow with a flatbow (RtW makes up for arc time). --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  15:30, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * you shouldn't be ganked. ever. if you are, you and your team are just bad and have allowed the opposing team to collapse on a lone ganker. Hornbow is merely for spiking, so a shortbow isn't needed really. There is virtually no difference between a longbow and flatbow in this build. really, there is none. --Readem 16:00, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Flatbows attack faster. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  16:06, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If you use a flat bow as your general purpose bow, you are a horrible ranger. I "LOL" at the rangers in AB that use them, because I can hit them with my recurve bow, then have enough time to move out of the way of their flatbow's shot. I've killed many bad rangers with a flatbow without being touched. 67.82.179.27 18:02, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Think about the times you will be using a flatbow. never in HA or TA. and in GvG, rarely. --Readem 16:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Flatbow 	 2.0 seconds || compared too || Longbow 2.4 seconds, Should be


 * Nothing wrong with Flatbow in this build since you have RTW ~

[build prof=Ranger/Secondary MArks=12+1+3 Expertise=12+1][Sloth][Hunters shot][Savage SHot][Distracting][Read the wind][Experts][Lightning Reflex][Res sig][/build] Lanky 17:15, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * @anon - Theres this skill called read the wind. It reduces flight time.  A flatbow is the fastest attacking and the longest range bow in the game.  With RtW, its flight time is similar to that of a recurve bow, if not less.  The fast attack rate of the flatbow is great for turreting, which this build does.  @ Lanky - LR, Hunters, Mending Touch, and Rend are all good skills and have all been used in top GvG.  Any one of them works, but a support skill is more important then both LR and Hunters.  Also, the rune setup on the build now is the best one possible. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  18:16, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Don't Forget, with Experts Dexterity, Axe [[Image:Uberxman1028Signature3.jpg|19px]]Man! not as rawr as you think... 18:34, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Don't be bad, run what i said, im prty sure about every good player in the game agrees, circe is however not one of them, he do flagger/ele well.... but not ranger.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  19:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * o, so suddenly if you are r12, r8 glad, r5 champ you are bad at the game. ic. --Readem 20:34, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cirque is r9 (maybe that was his second account though zzz)  —Ska Kid [[Image:Skakidasaur.gif|19px]] 00:54, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If belzor, ego, mitch, rau, nihil agrees with me, im prty sure they are prty much better then circe at both guildwars and buildwars. Or anyone in StP for that matter, see what ppl run, and run it.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  08:16, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Fish is right here. Much better players than cirque run fish bar =\ -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 10:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cirque has cored with quite literally Guild Wars legends. Correct me if I am wrong, but he was in guilds such as fish mongers :/ (and it is by far one of the best Guilds ever). He has cored with simply the best players in all of Guild Wars. Umpy (Best Hammer ever), Smgz (Best Warrior in general ever), Champ (Best ranger ever), Animal (best riposte/gash monk ever). Simply the best everything. Just because you know some random euros who happen to be ok in the new shitty GvG metagame, doesn't make them better than cirque (who has played in numerous DF reforms, JOHN, and is currently in dV). O, and dV btw is the best guild next to rawr (speaking inactive alley is inactive and everyone else is just shitty at the game). I am no fan-boy of cirque; I just can't allow you to be so ignorant (and well, newfaggish as they would say on QQ). In other news, DnF is my new favorite guild (dhaina and noobs are actually nice people). --Readem 19:03, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No fanboy? You have never mentioned a sentence w/o him, or reflected, in your life. -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 19:06, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * When have I even mentioned reflected...? o, that's right. never. --Readem 19:10, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thats a big big big lie lol. Anyone who talks to you will agree ## -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 19:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * cirque and ref own. Prar rolled euro guilds every time they played during euro ATs (Prar had animal, ref, and cirque, the people readem mentioned =P).  —Ska Kid [[Image:Skakidasaur.gif|19px]] 19:12, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You even put him in edit summaries tbh. Also i didnt read the list of people but i agree with fishbar. -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 19:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * In response to your previous comments, no; I really don't. He is sometimes brought up, but that is just because he has some strange attachment to Cirque, plays 24/7, and is always in the group. And you know how much I care about Wiki rawr. I only contribute because I feel for some reason, an obligation (of sorts) to this piece of shit. Also because this will be the fourth time banned (due to Torp "is muddddd" hating me for no particular reason and being banned for :Readem Nucking Futs lollll). In all honesty, the only people I can stand are grinch, skakid, and yourself (occasionally). And you would be surprised who I talk to; I sincerely doubt you know Dhaina, Green, Divisor, Noobs, ejp, Mahsa, Zoloft, Razor, Terror, Modus, Battle Surgeon, Scrub, tastyyyy (or w/e lol), Two Hearts, Zhana, Ark, or any of the people I know for that matter lol. And if reflected (a person we happen to both know gets brought up), no one cares. --Readem 19:34, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I love you readem -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 19:37, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow u mentioned me ^^ (Razor, too bored to sign in) 84.157.70.235 16:23, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * If you didn't know dV will remains a bad guild untill they get good monks, untill then they will barely get a silver cape. When they do have good monks, they might fight for the gold. Untill then im prty sure the finals will always be KMD vs rawr. But to the build. What kills in GvG? Only pressure, pressure with small spikes, or spikes only? It is pressure with small spikes if you havent noticed. The rend build cannot achive that small spike well enough, hunters can however do around 180dmg under a second, add that with eviserate, thats another 140 dmg+deep wound. Then the spike will do 340dmg+DW, total 440. This will be done in around 1.5 seconds. With your sloth it will take around 2.8ish seconds to do the both attacks to spike, more then enough for monks to react to it, and it isent such a spike anymre. Although it maybe pump in 30 extra domage. Lightning reflex is so gives you some survivability, while it lets you run major runes and such without getting a squishy. It also means rangers get some kind of splitability, and this ranger can solo rits like lol easy if you have skillz. Now i forgotten what i've writtin in top so i stop now kkthx.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  07:17, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Um...pressure with small spikes? Can you tell me a time when that has not been the case in balanced GvG? And KDM's monks are not great at all; they are a new guild and have very little experience working together. They got lucky and rolled a good backline. Nothing more, nothing less. Also, if people even consider using such a build in a mAT, I will be severely disappointed. It is quite simply not versatile enough. As for you quoting damage calculations to me, there is no need. I have done several thousand myself; however mine factor in time, realistic rec times, as well as damage :/. Also to take into consideration, any decent ranger can kill a flagger (the best example would probably be Champ and his sheer manocity). In conclusion, from what I have seen and experienced, DnF has some of the strongest players in the game. They are more skilled, have better movement control, and cleaner spikes. The only thing I see preventing them from placing easily in the top 8, would be their lack of experience with GvG, and the French residing in the guild. --Readem 00:33, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They dont got little experience... they have played together for ages. Questecure aint the best monk, but still his far from dV monks. KMD has prty much smurfed together for a long time be4 KMD was created. Tell me a match in GvG when this bar is ran by anyone. Or my bar, wich is most ussual. I arrest my case.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  09:58, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm not even going to attempt to read this giant wall of text about whos the biggest shitter. This would probably benefit from Debilitating more than Forked though imo. --Tab  Moo  07:21, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Unless you want to be euro and run Hunter's for spiking of course. --Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  07:24, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * no one on this Wiki can even use the word shitter Tab, without being the biggest fucking hypocrite next to hitler. nice try tho. --<font color="Black">Readem 00:36, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Didn't call anyone a shitter tbh. I know I'm one. That's basically what you and fish were arguing over though. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  09:54, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Agrees with tab, can't call ppl shitter on QQ, so u can on pvx where u can.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  18:05, 20 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Why LR?-- R <font color="green" size="1"> e l y k 20:32, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Dual shot vs forked arrow---which is better here? [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  23:46, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

I adjusted the PvX code to show the bow attacks at 15 marks instead of 13, reflecting damage under ED. Justing6 00:14, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

It's gud. Don't use LR or Hunter's TBH. Têh±  §ŵøRÐ  02:22, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Should run 18 marks though, Its a hell of a lot of fun.Lanky 08:17, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Dupe
This is a dupe of a build that i made on 11 august. Only 1 skill is diffrent because of the seconds prof. My build was in trail. No matter that you put it on testing~that build was first, other people should've noticed that since lots of my build have been deleted that way even if there where already votes.robertjan 04:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * delete the other one, this one is more tested. Smurf Minions 04:37, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No that one was first so that one stays. Lots of my builds have been deleted that way, even voted builds, so this time not. This guy just copy pasted it and changed the second prof with 1 other skills. robertjan 04:49, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "This guy just copy pasted it and changed the second prof with 1 other skills posted a similar version of a popular build" Exaggeration is bad. His version is better, so regardless of which one gets WELLed this is the bar that will get vetted. --71.229 04:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * His verion is better lolz. its excacly the same, only a disenchant spell instead of more damage from the rit skill. And with no point in curse you will suffer very much damage from that skill. And sign you comment cause it could be that your the creater of this build that just commending to save his own build...My build was first so it will get voted and this one deleted. thats PVX well. I have also builds which were deleted because of this. Also builds with votes on it. robertjan 05:22, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Just an fyi: I don't see anyone not signing. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  05:28, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * is 71,229 a sign..?robertjan 05:39, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * In order: It's exactly the same, except for the one skill that makes it better. There are never going to be enough enchants stacked to kill you, and short of that it really doesn't matter.  My post was signed.  You're a moron.  This is the better bar, so it's going to be the one that gets vetted regardless of which build gets WELLed.  Good for you.  Yes, 71.229 is a sign.  It's a username and it goes to a userpage of a user by the same name. --71.229 05:41, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * then that nguy had to place it in variants at my build. therefor is trial phaserobertjan06:13, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's better, so it would go on the main bar, not variants. Damage + flexibility > damage + damage. --71.229 06:19, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Then he had to add it in that build. Trial pahse is so people could change things if it makes the build better. And the rules of pvxwell is that if there comes a later build that is almost 100% the same it is going in pvxwell under dupe, certain nif the other first one is in TRIAL phase.robertjan06:25, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lulz, he's just pissed off cuz now there's gonna be less stuff in great that he edited first QQ  — şąɀɀƴ  ƿooɧ [[Image:PinkNautical.jpg]] 08:02, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * PVX is not about "Hey, look at MY build!" It's about "Hey, look at THIS build."ComfortOsprey 08:12, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I am a bit yes since half of the time my builds get trashed because there was someone in Trial who made it before me~under the reason that i need to update that one or that that build was first (you know that saz)....So now im first so his will get trashed.robertjan 10:10, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes I know that, and under normal circumstances you would be right. However, yours only left trial today and this one's already vetted. For this reason it will not get trashed. But tbh, Comfort is right.  — şąɀɀƴ  ƿooɧ [[Image:PinkNautical.jpg]] 10:26, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * But I assume that mine won't be trashed as dupe or inferor now but get also rated? robertjan 10:44, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, it will be trashed/deleted.  19:07, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Go ahead. If you would like to copy/paste this one on to your bar, or merely take credit for it, be my guest. I couldn't care less. --<font color="Black">Readem 20:05, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Keep this one, it's already vetted. Nobody owns builds here, quit whining.  —Ska Kid  21:31, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

all ur build belong to me --<font color="Black">Readem 21:50, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Nope, only this one-- R <font color="green" size="1"> e l y k 12:51, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Weapons Still Need Debating (Fixing IMO)
Since the build has no anti-blind, wouldn't a blind reduction shield be useful in addition to +armor. No +dmg bows are suggested? Don't you want a bigger spike with 15^50 on your hornbow? Rtw makes the arc of flatbows and longbows almost exactly the same, but a flatbow will push out significantly more damage (2.4/2.0=1.2 or 20% increase) or leave you animating less for more interrupting, despite what Readem says (b/c flatbows aren't seen much because most top builds don't run Rtw). Recurve +5e is a fine backup, but for spiking you want +dmg and for general use you want a flatbow. --JenniferBelle 09:10, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree on the flatbow. If you're running read the wind you can benefit a lot by using a flatbow, the arc isn't that much different from a recurve and the refire rate is faster - although I have noticed you can still strafe a flatbow while under read the wind more easily than a recurve bow. Most people run apply poison and have no idea what read the wind does to a flatbow. I never liked the slow rate of a hornbow so I don't use one. If you're playing a good opponent who is strafing a lot then a recurve bow would be better, but most of the time that's not the case. 122.104.161.96 05:46, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Two things... First, why not use 15^50 or even +15% in a stance instead of +5E? I know that the energy usage of this build can get intense, but this build is meant for damage. Second, to reply to the above, in the rare event that an opponent is strafing a lot, a longbow is just as good, as is a hornbow, as much as I can't stand the slowness of one. Still, a recurve is nice to have in case RtW gets interrupted, which happens occasionally. --134.139.238.19 14:11, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * To be honest, when I run this bar or a variant of it, I take a shitload of bows. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 14:13, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Rend should be a Variant
This build looks like several others which were posted with rend as the only real difference. Rend has nothing to do with the core of the build, it's more of a utility skill rather than anything else, why is it on the main bar when it's clearly not a core part of the build? 122.104.161.96 05:29, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This is specifically used in HA where Rend is common, ofcourse rend can be replaced but having the ability to remove all prots followed by your mig domage is better than most other variants. -- Frosty  05:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Rend isn't better when you become blinded without a monk to back you up though... My point is more along the lines that rend isn't a core part of the build, the build performs it's purpose without rend. The entire reason to bring this build has nothing to do with rend, it's all about spamming attacks at a high speed. Rend is a very good skill but so is mending touch. If rend were core to the build's function it would make sense to put it in the build but the reality is rend could be put on any other player with a necro secondary or primary and function the same. For the arenas this is tagged for more people would benefit from mending touch or even the lamer antidote signet than they would from rend. 122.104.161.96 05:41, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And that's why it is a variant, HA has more priority over arena's -- Frosty  05:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * True but to delete the other builds according to well and say this one does it better is just wrong. The core of this build is better but the secondary and rend aren't a key part of that - they are just what someone saw in observer mode. As soon as someone see's a good guild running mending touch or grasping earth the build will change. All the other Exert's Dexterity bow builds are being deleted because of this one, rend is not a part of the core summary of what this build is. Only the core skills should be kept on the main bar with the minor utility differences left for the variants section. Rend is an optional slot, not a core slot. Some arenas would benefit more from mending touch, many teams would prefer grasping earth or even pin down to this - even in HA. Utility skills which aren't part of the core build with viable variants which are not inferior should be left in variants. 122.104.161.96 06:12, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The others are being welled because this is alreadt vetted, and they follow the same concept. -- Frosty  06:14, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Exactly, the same concept. The build should be the concept, not the concept + the chosen variant. 122.104.161.96 06:29, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * But the given variant is far superior in the more dominant area that it is tagged for, Mending Touch could be a variant for all the Ranger generic builds by your standards but it isn't because it is the best option for GvG. -- Frosty  06:32, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Antidote Sig
put it in variants? Just wondering why it's not there already. Is there a reason not and I'm just being dumb? user:redhandsgw
 * Mending Touch fucking ownz. Brandnew.  17:32, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, if you're going to use Death Pact Signet or some other non-Monk secondary skills, you could take Antidote Signet (if you've got the room). ــмıкε  нaшк  17:38, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Watching some R/Rt's with DPS, they were using Pure Was Li Ming or Resilient Was Xiko as two-condition removal. I personally would rather use Antidote Signet though. --134.139.238.174 18:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Split up variants
I took the skills listed under the Variants and made it so that it was clear which skills are optional and which skills are variants. --134.139.238.191 22:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

R/E possible?
I don't see a lot of R/E, but wouldn't it be possible to have a Conjure in that optional slot? If not, maybe at least this would work out in AB/CM.

Pros:


 * Can provide more damage than a Vampiric


 * No health drain from Vampiric either


 * Does slightly more damage to Warriors


 * With fire, it can trigger Mark of Rodgort if someone else applied it

Cons:


 * No Hard Res (pointless in AB/CM anyways)


 * Vulnerable to enchantment removals like Shatter Enchantment


 * Less damage to other Rangers

--75.83.131.85 00:21, 4 October 2008 (EDT)


 * life stealing is unaffected by armor, so it always does its damage. conjure damage can be reduced by armor or skills. --134.139.238.58 12:49, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You need 14 in Expertise and marks to get the best outta ED Rangers -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 12:50, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Conjure damage is bonus and armor-ignoring, ever since it was merged into one damage proc instead of two 24.154.87.135 01:08, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
 * To quote GuildWiki: "Even though the damage type is "fire," this extra damage is unaffected by increased armor against elemental or fire damage." It is NOT armor-ignoring.  It ignores bonus armor specifically against elemental damage, but treats all other armor and bonus armor as normal.  And even so, it can still be reduced by skills like Shielding Hands.  Vampiric mods, however, will always get their bonus when they hit, and that cannot be reduced by ANYTHING.
 * A ranger with a conjure will do lets say 15-28 + 13, and a vampiric will do lets say 15-28+13 (to a 60 armor target). Now if a target has a level 12 shielding hands on them, they'll stop 15 damage from either attack making the conjure 0-13+13, and the vamp 0-13+3, not effecting the extra damage the conjure applied. That's not to say vamp isn't without benefits. If a monk has shield of absorption as well as a sin aimlessly swinging at it, the vamp will be the only thing doing damage to the monk, and you will also be getting healed. But in the long run, 3 damage per hit isn't going to kill anything...Another plus to vamp is that against a ranger or something with elemental armor, although the bonus damage from the conjure won't get affected, the regular bow damage will be reduced, as it's now elemental damage. --Rach 16:36, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Nerf
15% IAS, only +1 Marksmanship. Archive worthy TBH. -- <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:red;background-color:gold;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"> Guild  of   Deals   21:55, 6 November 2008 (EST)
 * ye, way not as good anymore :( [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  22:05, 6 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ugh-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 22:06, 6 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ouch.--<font color="Blue">TheHunger <font color="ForestGreen">talk  <font color="ForestGreen">''My contributions  22:07, 6 November 2008 (EST)
 * mmm bOmb are still using it ;o -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:31, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * Tbh, Lightning Reflexes is as good as, if not better than, Expert's Dexterity now. Back to Glass Arrows for spiking, although you'll definitely miss Debilitating Shot. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:34, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * LR is not maintanable ;o -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:37, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * This is mostly spike+utility, not DPS, tbh. On average, LR would be a ~12% IAS (3% less than ED), but you shouldn't be looking a the average, anyway. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:41, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * Actually it pumps damage tbh. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:42, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * Not so much anymore. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:44, 7 November 2008 (EST)

ED still works
[build prof=r/x Marksmanship=12+3 expertise=12+1+1][Keen Arrow@16][Hunter's Shot@16][Savage Shot@16][Distracting Shot][optional][Read The Wind@16][Expert's Dexterity][res sig][/build] etcetc
 * [[Lightning Reflexes@14]
 * [[Debilitating Shot@16]
 * [[Rend Enchantments@3]
 * [[Antidote Signet]

This still works, sup runes are manly -- Frosty  10:45, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Sloth hunterssssssssss - Auron 11:17, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * ouch debilitating shot at 17 marksmanship. -- Jebus  contests  12:01, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * No it's 16... -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 12:02, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * 17 cause of 16 marks and then ED increases by 1. -- Jebus  contests  19:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Other category, imo.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  12:04, 9 November 2008 (EST)

bad voters are bad. -- Frosty  13:06, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Tbh, ED is pretty shitty now. The build definitely isn't 5-5, nor is it 0-0 because it can still spike and DPS a bit, but much less than a Glass Arrows Ranger. You've already lost the Blocking Stances, Troll Unguent and the other usual Ranger utilities, but now, 75 Health, too. 15% IAS is terrible, and a +1 to Marksmanship is hardly worth your Elite Slot. ــмıкε  нaшк  13:12, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Glass arrows is shit except for in r-spike, you can't use RtW with it, you can't keep a maintained IAS with it (even if it is 15%) and you can't interrupt shit from 1 and a 1/2 aggro bubbles away with it, this is still very good, and sup runes are good if they are worth it, they are worth it here, like running sup runes on warrs can be worth it. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 13:14, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * You're using a shitty Elite so that you can take RtW and interrupt from further away, but Lightning Reflexes is better than ED, even if it isn't maintainable, and there are more useful Elites you could take, such as Melandru's Shot and Punishing Shot, if you don't like Glass Arrows. ــмıкε  нaшк  13:20, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Lol punishing shot. Lol mels without apply. - Auron 04:16, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * mel's without apply is fine with me wheeeeeee. --<font color="Black">Readem 10:15, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Instead of 12+3 & 12+1+1, do 12+1+2 & 12+2; that way, you only have -70 health instead of -75 health. --WhiteAsIce 00:54, 16 December 2008 (EST)

15% IAS
I don't feel like doing calculations, but does anyone know how much a 15% IAS would actually increase damage by? i.e. 33% IAS increases damage by 50% and 25% IAS increases damage by 33%.--<font color="Blue">TheHunger <font color="ForestGreen">talk  <font color="ForestGreen">''My contributions  13:16, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * That's only for melee, iirc, so a 15% IAS would only increase damage by 15%. Then again, you've got aftercast on your interrupts, so it isn't as simple as just adding 15% to your overall DPS. ــмıкε  нaшк  13:21, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * ... 1/0.85... Mathematics isn't your strong point is it? Also, WHAT THE FUCK Michael? - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 13:22, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * lol funny, "DAMAGE CALCULATIONS ONLY WORK ON MELEE"  — <small style='font-family:Verdana;font-variant: small-caps;'> Sazzy Pooh [[Image:PinkNautical.jpg]]19:09, 9 November 2008 (EST) 
 * No, saying that 33% IAS makes you deal 50% more damage is only for melee. For Ranged, 33% IAS is 33% more damage; I think. ــмıкε  нaшк  19:11, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Mike, what the fuck? Honestly. You are terrible. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 04:07, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Protip: Don't think anymore from this point on.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 08:57, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Sure the build might "work," but shouldn't another elite be more beneficial? 68.51.83.92 09:18, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Like what? Mels without apply? Burning arrow without apply? Incendiary without apply? Escape is the next best option, and it doesn't increase damage at all, so... - Auron 21:44, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * I thought everyone uses keen arrow now?-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 21:56, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, Escape wouldn't be bad at splitting. I guess you don't need that when you have Natural Stride already.  I do like the above options WITH apply. 68.51.83.92 15:05, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * They do. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 02:36, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Don't worry! [rawr] has found the answer for us:

Mh it's kind of gimped though. Smurf Ohai 06:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * yup i obsed and they used that, big domages<font color="#009933">Close[[Image:CloseImpactSW.jpg|19px]]Impact<font color="#003300"> Too Muh Bruh  06:49, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Fuck you Frosty, I told you Flail was hawt. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 07:05, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * It is quite good actually, only thing you have to remember is to reapply flail every 5 seconds >.> [[Image:Ballsy Smurf.jpg|16px]] Blacksmurf <font color="#00BFFF"> McHippopotas  14:49, 11 November 2008 (EST)

reflected's builddddddd. jatt buildstealer. --<font color="Black">Readem 10:03, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Keen arrow tbh -- Frosty  11:19, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * I caught a Melandru's Shot awhile back, but it was lvl fail-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 11:50, 20 November 2008 (EST)

+15% damage while in a stance
Since this Ranger will almost always be in a stance, why not use +15% damage while in a stance? --WhiteAsIce 00:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Archive
This doesn't see much use since the nerf and has been pretty much replaced by BA Turrets, tbh. ــмıкε нaшк  11:16, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Still good, means you can bring rend or DPS. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  11:51, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Expert Ranger
Why not switch out RTW for Expert Focus, & just bring Favorable Winds if your not the only ranger going along in the party. I was thinking about making a build just like this, with the following skills [build prof=r/x Marksmanship=12+1 expertise=12+1+2][Expert's Dexterity][Expert Focus][Savage Shot][Distracting Shot][optional][optional][Favorable Winds][res sig][/build]

Maybe bring a Hearty Pet or somthing along... I think this could be a good build..--Savage Rothus 23:26, 08 Sept 2011 (EST)
 * Uh, this is a PvP build. ED is very nerfed in PvP (only 15% IAS and +1 marks). Turrets are basically dead in PvP. --  Toraen   talk  03:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Opps sry guess I missed that part ok thxs guess I will start a new page then mayb..--Savage Rothus 00:46, 09 Sept 2011 (EST)