User talk:Sunny Storms/archive 2011

Archive page for 2011

New Remake Terrawaypages
Ok, so i finished the remake of the Terrawaypage. Tell me what you think. I've remade the normal Terrawaypage(non-semi EXP) and this page (EXP!) Please give constructive criticism. EXP and (non-semi EXP). S u n n y  20:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't be voting on it if you keep it as a subpage. its effectively the same build. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  20:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well as stated before: I rather have the terraway EXP as a seperate page. Seeing as the buids are different and you run the UW not precisely the same as the normal terraway. ^^Sunny Storms</FONT> 21:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

First try your code

 * Hehehe sunny, you used my code? <font color="#ff8c00">S <font color="#ff4700">h <font color="#ff0000">a <font color="#d90000">d <font color="#b20000">o <font color="#8b0000">w  20:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea lol i did, sorry i've i offended any copyrights ^^. i'm not a star at that code. If you could make me one with Sunny Storms as a colour code. I would love you to bits ^^.<font color="#ff8c00">S <font color="#ff4700">u <font color="#ff0000">n <font color="#d90000">n <font color="#b20000">y  20:46, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No copyright or something on the code, I'm just happy someone liked the code :D. I'll try <font color="#ff8c00">S <font color="#ff4700">h <font color="#ff0000">a <font color="#d90000">d <font color="#b20000">o <font color="#8b0000">w  20:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol yea, it just stands out. ^^ you can delete this small conversation later. if not i will. (reason= no connection with EXP Terraway ^^)<font color="#ff8c00">S <font color="#ff4700">u <font color="#ff0000">n <font color="#d90000">n <font color="#b20000">y  20:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You can always move it. I can't however, get your whole name (code too long). I'll keep trying some things <font color="#ff8c00">S <font color="#ff4700">h <font color="#ff0000">a <font color="#d90000">d <font color="#b20000">o <font color="#8b0000">w  20:57, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) <font COLOR="b8860b">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  21:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Would your prefer only sunny? Su</FONT>nn</FONT>y St</FONT>or</FONT>ms</FONT> 21:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No Sunny Storms is fine, It's my IGN aswell so it's easy. <font COLOR="b8860b">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  21:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thnx a lot...<font COLOR="b8860b">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  21:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) S</FONT>u</FONT>n</FONT>n</FONT>y</FONT> 21:07, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * AAAAWWWWHHHHHH DAMMIT..... now i'm in doubt. >_<Su</FONT>nn</FONT>y St</FONT>or</FONT>ms</FONT> 21:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I can make much more :P S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00008b">u</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00008b">n</FONT><FONT COLOR="#ffd700">y</FONT> 21:09, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OH god.. plz no. You've done enough. Truly. I stand out enough as it is.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 21:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay <font color="#ff0000">Shadow Shadow02122011.gif <font color="#008000">Christmas Signature 21:24, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * my eyes bleed-- Relyk 22:38, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * As Darth Sidious would say: goooooooooooood <font color="#ff0000">Shadow Shadow02122011.gif <font color="#008000">Christmas Signature 23:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Fow Manly
How exactly is it borderline trash? =\ Life Guardian 08:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it is good and Mesmer Spike surpassed this, even in pugs sometimes. (Though Manly remains the more popular) <font color="#ff0000">Shadow Shadow02122011.gif <font color="#008000">Christmas Signature 08:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to say the mop is pretty pointless in FoWsc. The amount of times I've afk'd and the mob still dies is... Every time. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 08:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

There's no way fowsc is 3.8. All the records(to my knowledge?) were achieved using the basic idea of fowsc with some alterations(t4, no ua, efficient bars, 1 melee, etc), and if you're downgrading it because of its non-optimal build, than that's just dumb. Pvx is made for the average gw player(read:shitter) and as such, builds that are hard to run are not usually posted and that version of fowsc is the only one on pvx. Mesway is completely preference, one is not better/worse than the other in most occasions.tl;dr- rate it better. <3 Roland 00:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Record was basically sinway with 2 spikers. T1-5+mt+spikers. Really freaking annoying splits and fow is so glitchy it takes hundreds of consents to get it right. But yeah, fow manly is way better than a 3.8. The build is kept as is because it's te most forgiving an pugs are idiots. Life Guardian 05:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Vote
"ESurge and panic mesmers are better" , can you clarify what you mean exactly since one of the heroes is Panic/Esurge? As in running a second Domination mesmer or something?-- Relyk 20:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. Well... for starters i missed that the optional skill on the 2nd mesmer. >_< my bad. But more to the point.7 hero discordway overpowers your build. Reason being, that i tried yours 'cus it looked interesting but, in HM it just doesn't cut it. Foes have a too high armor and hpregen, this build works especially hard in areas with alot of counters/dispels. Build is really good for NM though, especially when foes are balled up together. Ps, i run an altered version of the 7 hero discordway and i've never been wiped anywhere in HM.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 21:07, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't too concerned about the reasoning of discordway as better :P-- Relyk 02:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, why are you comparing a build that's primarily AoE to a build that's primarily single-target? DSM is crap, dude. -- Jai . -  15:29, December 4 2011 (UTC)

Sig Test
Right how's this look? <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 15:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 20 px always <font color="#ff0000">Shadow Shadow02122011.gif <font color="#008000">Christmas Signature 15:27, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Why i like 25px! O_o [[image:Master of Magic.jpg|25px]] <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 15:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * policies. 25 px is too big <font color="#ff0000">Shadow Shadow02122011.gif <font color="#008000">Christmas Signature 15:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It breaks the spacing. Also, it's kinda fugly but whatever. I'd suggest not using caps for all your html tags as well. -- Jai . -  15:31, December 4 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea that's why it's a test.. i'm looking for one to go with the name.. and is 21px ok? [[image:Master of Magic.jpg|21px]] <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 15:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Or how about this? And it's on 20px now. ^^ [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 15:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The second one looks find. Also, the 20px limit is only for height. The width can be anything reasonable. And do note that the "|px"" part controls the width of the image, not the height, so just keep that in mind if you don't have a square image (though you do). -- Jai . -  15:39, December 4 2011 (UTC)

Also.... <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT> <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St  See the second one. The code just looks a little nicer because it's not all in caps, but it produces the exact same thing. Just note that that's not all of your sig (try pasting in your whole sig into that spot and doing show preview to see why). -- Jai . -  15:46, December 4 2011 (UTC)
 * [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  15:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not too bad. :D -- Jai . -  15:54, December 4 2011 (UTC)

It's policy
sorry. -- Jai . -  15:49, December 4 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to say sorry. I did not know and thought since it's my My Talk page, I could do with it as I please. So i'm sorry ^_^. If i feel though that a topic is closed or should be closed, can't i archive it somehow. So ppl can still access it?
 * Ps, Caps is gone. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  15:57, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ehh, people usually just keep stuff on their talk page until it gets to be like 30kb long and then archive it. If you really want to though, you can make a page at User talk:Sunny Storms/Archive and remove discussions from here and put them there. Just make sure it's not something that still could be discussed. :P -- Jai . -  16:01, December 4 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea i'm a neat freak though, I want everything as tidy as possible. So as I understand it i'm allowed to move stuff to an archive as long as the discussion is finished.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  16:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Pretty much, yeah. You're not breaking policy doing that, at least. -- Jai . -  16:09, December 4 2011 (UTC)

Build:Team - DoA Starbursters
Just a friendly reminder that you shouldn't vote on builds with the orange trial tag on - and if you do it will be removed :P  <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  16:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, did not know that. Sunny - sent from mobile. 145.7.224.16 16:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

UW Terraway
There are two ways to list the A/E bar and the variant R/A bar. Both versions are on the current page. == Mountains/Pools (T2) == [build prof=A/E ear=12 sha=12+3+1][Shroud of Distress@17][Shadow Form@17][Optional][ebon battle standard of honor][Sliver Armor@13][Radiation Field]["I am unstoppable"][Death's Charge@17][/build]
 * Optionals:
 * Standard choice. Recommended for you first few runs.
 * Harder Slayer quest, but more utility.

Equipment

 * Vanguard armor for Mountains.
 * Staff of Enchanting.
 * Martial weapon of Enchanting.
 * Shield of Fortitude (+10 vs. Blunt Damage).
 * Zealous Daggers of Enchanting while killing Dryder.
 * Zealous Scythe of Enchanting while killing Dryders.

Usage

 * Rangers need to get Shadow Arts to 15 with a Candy Corn and either a Golden Egg/Lunar Fortune Blessing.
 * Wait for the LT to clear your path.
 * Run to the Mountains Reaper Spawn Location and kill the Behemoths, interrupting Healing Spring using a staff is a must for sins and makes the job on a Ranger even easier (attack speed boost recommended).
 * Kill the Dryders and take the quest. (When the Reaper is glitched on a sin, it’s better to just go pools though and do the quest afterwards with the team.)
 * Kill the Slayer.
 * Check if the reaper has become invulnerable, otherwise kill all the foes that accompany the Slayer.
 * Go to Pools and pop the Reaper. Don’t WD/Sliver within range of the Reaper.
 * Do Pools quest.

At Dhuum
 * Die, then talk to Mayor Alegheri to return to the Hall of Judgment.
 * Stand on the seal and spam 1 on recharge until the Dhuum's Rest bar is full. Use 2 on anybody with low health and 4 on the EMo if he or she pings death penalty. Never use 3!
 * When the Dhuum's Rest bar is full, stop spamming 1, and begin using 5 while targeting Dhuum.

Variants
[build prof=R/A Expertise=12+1+3 Shadow=12][Shroud of Distress@13][Shadow Form@13][Radiation Field][Dwarven Stability][Whirling Defense@17]["Finish Him!"][Heart of Shadow@13][Death's Charge@13][/build]

Equipment

 * Full Blessed Armor.
 * Attunement runes.
 * Staff of Enchanting.
 * Zealous Scythe of Enchanting while killing Dryders.

Usage

 * Rangers need to get Shadow Arts to 15 with a Candy Corn and either a Golden Egg/Lunar Fortune Blessing.
 * Wait for the LT to clear your path.
 * Run to the Mountains Reaper Spawn Location and kill the Behemoths, interrupting Healing Spring using a staff is a must for sins and makes the job on a Ranger even easier (attack boost recommend).
 * Kill the Dryders and take the quest.
 * Kill the Slayer.
 * Check if the reaper has become invulnerable, otherwise kill all the foes that accompany the Slayer.
 * Go to Pools and pop the Reaper. Don’t WD/Sliver within range of the Reaper.
 * Do Pools quest.

Pits (T4)
[build prof=A/E ear=12 sha=12+3+1 crit=3][Shroud of Distress@17][Shadow Form@17][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Sliver Armor@13][Radiation Field]["Finish Him!"][Heart of Shadow@17][Death's Charge@17][/build] [build prof=R/A Expertise=12+1+3 Shadow=12][Shroud of Distress@13][Shadow Form@13][Radiation Field][Dwarven Stability][Whirling Defense@17]["Finish Him!"][Heart of Shadow@13][Death's Charge@13][/build]

Equipment

 * Full Vanguard for Assassin
 * Full Blessed for Ranger
 * Staff of Enchanting
 * Martial weapon of Enchanting
 * Shield of Fortitude (+10 vs. Blunt Damage)
 * Longbow of Enchanting (if you don't center tank Pits Q)
 * Zealous Daggers of Enchanting for energy
 * Zealous Scythe of Enchanting for energy

Usage

 * Wait for the LT to clear your path.
 * Kill Skele + glitched Collector (if you’re not centering also clear Treshers)
 * Glitch
 * Prep backside (Optional: Clear top group if too near to the spirits spawn location.)
 * Clear Reaper Spawn Location + Pop Reaper

At Dhuum Now listing the R/A variant under the same header as A/E implies that it is used for exactly the same function, as it should. That means the R/A shouldn't need it's own usage. Therefore you can just list the R/A equipment in the equipment section and call it good. I did this with T4. From what you mentioned, this is insufficient; in which case, the R/A needs to get split into it's on variant section inside that section to cover usage, equipment, and variants sufficiently. This is what T2 looks like. I feel this is unnecessary because the general usage should be identical (go here, kill this) and the only differences being a couple mentions in equipment and usage about using the R/A. I ultimately prefer the T4 for being concise, T2 is only if you want clarity for the variant. Sorry if it seems like I wasn't paying attention.-- Relyk 05:47, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Die, then talk to Mayor Alegheri to return to the Hall of Judgment.
 * Stand on the seal and spam 1 on recharge until the Dhuum's Rest bar is full. Use 2 on anybody with low health and 4 on the EMo if he or she pings death penalty. Never use 3!
 * When the Dhuum's Rest bar is full, stop spamming 1, and begin using 5 while targeting Dhuum.
 * The thing is relyk, that due to whirling defense inherently working different than sliver armor, every R/À had à different approach than à/e and e/me. This is why the usage and shit are split.
 * What you are suggesting now though, is that the ranger and sin t4 use exactly the same weapons. (you had this set on t1 and t2 aswell.) This is defenitly not the case. Same goes for armor.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  10:02, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't see any difference in weapon sets or usage just looking at the builds; it should be clear now. Are the R/A and E/Me T4 bars the same way? They likely need to be split up as well.-- Relyk 14:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've set T1, T2, T3/T4. to what it should be. (just to let you know i do UW everyday. So i have quite a bit of experience in UW. (been doing uw before dhuum arrived. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  17:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

How to archive
Archive (same number)  Shadow  Talk  20:32, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

lol THANK YOU SHADOW!!!!!! i'll get right on it! <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:32, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I explained it a bit too easy. On the talk page, use this. Do not create a new thingie, it breaks pvx. Sorry  Shadow  Talk  20:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * How about you create the damn thing... lol...  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:42, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I read your mind, look at the top of UW Advanced Terraway  Shadow  Talk  20:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea I noticed, Give it a Pre HM update though, plz?  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, will do it.  Shadow  Talk  20:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That was an amazing edit -- Relyk 20:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am deeply ashamed, but it works on my userpages :P. I fixed it and now it will work (I hope)  Shadow  Talk  20:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea that was an awesome edit, i messed up my first ever archive page and asked for a deletion. Seeing i can't dleete anything or lack the know-how to. I'ts all good now thoguh. Shadow stepped up and helped poor little me. ^_^. THNX ^_^. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Those edits look hideous in RC lol-- Relyk 20:56, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ROFLMAO, i was just looking at that. I was like .... WOW... i did that.. jezus hope i don't get kicked for that! hahah  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, but I feel rather ashamed too :P  Shadow  Talk  21:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Stop
editing your comments. While we tend to be leniant on userspace, the build space is srs bsns. Deleting comments with possible working builds is pretty stupid too when you're trying to prevent it's archival. Tl;dr trying to remove comments is going to get you banned.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  16:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thee point in editing my talk is because i can't go into full details. that's why i want my post slightly editted. Full details can happen later just not yet. >_< [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  16:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No. It's not allowed. One it's not your talk, Two, I don't give a shit about your guild wanting credit for an unprofitable, time wasting, shitty speed clear. No one else here cares either. If you do it again then I'm telling daddy and mommy.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  16:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * lol dude calm down. It's got nothing to do with taking credit. It's only got to do with this. WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUT CRAP BUILDS! unprofitable? lol. i can name alot of other things that are unprofitable but UW defenitly isn't one of them. Now calm down and regain yourself ^_^.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  17:01, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Aity, Rask is right when he says you can't go and edit or remove comments afterwards. Documentation is a pretty big thing for us here, and we like to keep posts where we put them. It's completely ok to fix typo's, but even then, if someone commented on the typo in particular, you just gotta leave it there, or do like [edit: Fort Knox, not Fort Kox]. You can harmlessly edit your post to a topic if it's the latest one or posted 2s ago. Just go with your guts, ask if unsure.

And Mr. Sunnyshine here is also completely right about telling dear Raskels to be all wubby and shiz, I mean, what'd become of PvX if people were like, holy fuck, dicks? -- DANDY ^_^ -- 17:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have anything to add to your comments, just indent and add it below. It can mess with talk pages if someone was responding to the original post and not the revised one.-- Relyk 20:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * @Sunny, You can do 4 pug FoW runs in the time it takes for an average uw pug to finish (ASSUMING THEY FINISH LOL?). Underworld speedclear is a wasted effort. DoA is where profits are made. The only thing UW is for is farming specific items, such as mini dhuums/smites. Even then, your odds are better farming plat/ectos to buy the item you want. Doing it for fun and as a challenge is understandable, doing it to become rich is just retarded.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  21:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Ip adressess
Who else hates ppl using their ip-adress instead of giving us a name to call them? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sunny Storms (talk) at 19:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC).
 * It makes them more enigmatic and mysterious. But yeah its more awkward to reference anything they've said. (I still prefer them to unsigned comments though -__-) <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex  19:24, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Whenever I spot one, I don't bother to take them seriously. Just because they are an IP, don't have real contributions and thus can not really show their expertise Shadow   Umbra scriptor Disputatio  19:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That is a really stupid stance to take, as I've told you before. -- Toraen   confer  19:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We have a few anons with useful contributions to the wiki and edit intermittenly. Most of those edits are more constructive than a majority of users.-- Relyk 21:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, technically, this conversation has no constructive value! How ironic! <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 21:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Most constructive IPs were smart enough to take an username though Shadow   Umbra scriptor Disputatio  21:47, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite the bigoted stance, Shadow. Or do you prefer traditionalist? Soi Sticker 21:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * PvXwiki:You are valuable IPs are worth the same. <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex  21:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We're all in violation of that if you think about it. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 22:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really; without contributors, there's no content. No content, no traffic :P we are the saviours of PvX. Feels like a GW2 dynamic event. Soi Sticker 22:27, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * yes, but the term "contributors" encompasses users who chose to register with a user name, and those that chose not to and post with their IP address. So the point is moot. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  22:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well all i'm saying is, i'd like to call people by their names instead of calling them out like a chinese take-out order.   (i believe that's a comment for the books lmao).   [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  07:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Well what the fuck. It doesn't matter the least bit "who" says, but "what" they say. Judging a comment based on the author solely is something in between ad hominem and argumentum ad verecundiam (argument from authority). In high end PvP/PvE, we're moreso than occasionally forced to rely on the latter (eg. Lemming, Crow, Lau), but then again, they've proven their worth. However, if a random IP makes a good point, you're a retard to throw those two cents out the window. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 15:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol i find it funny how i just hate calling ppl by their ip's instead of a name. I find it funny how you come out and call me a retard for throwing any comment out of the window. *i never said i do any of that. But i guess it's funny to argue??? Discussion ftw ppl. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  16:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Whenever I spot one, I don't bother to take them seriously. Just because they are an IP, don't have real contributions and thus can not really show their expertise"


 * Your talk page doesn't mean everyone talks to you :p -- DANDY ^_^ -- 22:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Plus, many IP's are users that cba to sign in on phone/school/work/wutever Falrach 17:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It takes less work signing in under your own username than by clickerdyclicking all those damned cats. ^_^  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  07:40, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wat if I like cats? 82.95.65.117 09:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Situation one: Rask says "Flare does less damage than Lightning Orb. You can see this because the number is smaller". You believe him because he is Rask. Congratulations.

Situation two: 135.245.21.4 says "Flare does less damage than Lightning Orb. You can see this because the number is smaller". You don't believe him and ignore him because he is a dumb and stupid IP. You are actually the one being dumb and stupid. Congratulations.

Moral: Don't believe people because you like to ride their cock, believe them because they are right. Read what they say and see if it actually makes sense. Their experience is meaningless. I've seen experienced, intelligent people say retarded things. The inverse is also true. Hopefully everyone will just ride my cock on this one. A new misery 09:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What Misery said, I'm experienced and know the inner mechanics of skills/npc AI ass backwards but even I go full retard quite often. Ip's are your bro's so keep them close to your heart.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  With Love~  10:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * All good points and very valid. I agree with all the points. I just find my question unanswered. Who else hates ppl using their ip-adress instead of giving us a name to call them? I did not say I hate unsigned in ppl. I would just love to call them something instead of a nr on the menu. ^^  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  15:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * IP, Anon, etc. There's rarely more than one IP on any given page nowadays. -- Jai .  -  15:21, February 28 2012 (UTC)
 * Then you phrased that question very poorly sunny. I hate that using an IP address means you have no way to back up your arguments or discuss builds effectively. I also hate when people abuse this fact as you can say whatever you want in discussion with no fear of rebuttal or confrontation. It can quickly take away from any value the discussion has. I don't hate the people for preferring to use an IP over a user account.-- Relyk 20:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)