Archive talk:Team - RoJway

Remove Ether Nightmare, put in Mind Wrack. Faster application, more CoP hits assuming your team isn't dumb. .:Tyla:. 11:36, 1 January 2009 (EST)

RoJ should be instacast so they can hit n run The Wojo 11:53, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * Mesmer then. [[Image:Surprise.png|19px]] Karate  Jesus   11:57, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ya that would be a good idea so that u can get fast casting and arcane echo ;).and mabye throw in a necro for Bip.Fire and deaths 12:28, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * sorry to say but, bad idea tbh, cry of pain is just so much better, non-elite, faster cast/recharge, bigger aoe...Dumbo 12:45, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * Sup runes in pve might not be the best idea and I seriously doubt you'll find 7 guys that want to run this. [[Image:Surprise.png|19px]] Karate  Jesus   12:46, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'd rather use eles--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  12:56, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * 2nd thatComfortOsprey 13:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * Eles = scatter and Eles = suck in HM in terms of raw damage. &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 15:00, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * new cryway? :D -- —Daɽkɘʃʂ   ӍcÇɧɽiʂtmaʂmonǥɘɼ  [[Image:Drk_Chs_Ball.jpg|17px17px]]. 15:04, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * use this with cry then for even more. And this is armor ignoring=more damage than sh in hm [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  21:11, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * and i think 7 monks is enough to keep your team alive so sup runes arent gona make tha tmuch of a difference (tagged for pve, not HA.GvG, ect). [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  21:12, 15 December 2008 (EST)

imo
[build prof=A/E Shadow=12+1+3 Earthma=12][Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form][Grasping Earth][Air of superiority][Optional][Optional]["I am Unstoppable"][/build]

[build prof=Me/Mo Fastcasting=8+1+1 illusion=10+1 smitingprayers=12][ray of judgment][arcane echo][cry of pain][ether nightmare][Air of superiority][wandering eye][castigation signet][rebirth][/build] x4

[build prof=Mo/Me Divinefavor=9+1 Prot=9+1 smitingprayers=12+1+1][Ray of judgment][protective spirit][Smiter's Boon][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Reversal of Damage][arcane echo][cry of pain][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me Divinefavor=12+1 smitingprayers=12+1+1][Ray of judgment][Divine healing][Heavens Delight][Smiter's Boon][Smite Condition][Reversal of Damage][arcane echo][cry of pain][/build]

[build prof=N/Mo soulreaping=10+1+1 bloodmagic=7+1 healingprayers=12][blood is power][patient spirit][dwayna's kiss][spotless mind][cure hex][heal party][Optional][Rebirth][/build] make the bars look like this 24.6.122.112 22:00, 15 December 2008 (EST)

kinda energy intensive P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  22:09, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * BiP 24.6.122.112 22:10, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * this plus arcane echo + mimicry + cry of pain = holy donkers.--I r OgR3. Meh. 22:13, 15 December 2008 (EST)

soo
want to mainbar this? P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  22:19, 15 December 2008 (EST)

And this, gentlemen
is how permaform sins break PvE --mangleD (T/C ) 22:20, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * its not only permaform that is breaking pve its a combo of pve skills and obscene skill buffs 24.6.122.112 22:24, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * None of the skill buffs rly effect pve except mark of insecurity and hundred blades--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  22:29, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * ... how does mark of insecurity affect pve at all? and adding armor ignoring (holy damage is armor ignoring if you didn't know) DoT spells like ray of judgment not affect pve? (and it doesn't hurt that it has a sick animation)24.6.122.112 22:33, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * oh yeah and RoJ doesn't cause scatter 24.6.122.112 22:36, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * graspin earth mate.Damn siggy.-- Ogre MAD  22:37, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * grasping earth is just a bonus incase of leaks or you lose aggro because of cry of pain24.6.122.112 22:44, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * they're going to make it scatter eventually--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  22:45, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * any actually tested and c if it does cause scatter?-- Ogre MAD  22:46, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * no it doesn't cause scatter check the wiki24.6.122.112 22:48, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * Its great for farming jade brotherhood--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  22:54, 15 December 2008 (EST)

I didnt know jade borhterhood dropped good stuff at all P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  22:57, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * they have decent drops, good for farming runes etc. 24.6.122.112 23:01, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * I personally thought that cry did enough damage to delete the creature's model you spiked. i guess i was wrong, and now we have this...-- Ikimono I know my Paragons [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 23:37, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * nah cry's not enough, take vs farmign for instance, a single barrage of cry from the entire team cannot kill the mob, but, cry + RoJ will in a matter of seconds, making it go alot faster [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  23:39, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * yeah its just idk where you would use this who really is going to spend the time to set this up when you can take heros and henchmen and beat practically everything in pve (pretty sure this wont work in elite areas)24.6.122.112 23:42, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * this is for hm mostly (1630 damage in 5 seconds is gud i think, with mobs snared and 7 monks to heal) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  00:35, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * is that what the damage adds up to? and its 2 monks healing (kinda) and 4 mesmers and 1 necro24.6.122.112 00:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wut are u talking about, it's 7 smite monks. 7 RoJ=336 armor ignoring damage per second * 5 seconds=1680 damage (not including potential echos + cry of pain). Due to only smite prayers needed on the monk, there can be numerous differnt attribute spreads for a potential 7 monk team healing/smiting/protecting/buffing/debuffing/ect [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  00:45, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Check the main bar, it's 1 assassin and 7 monks (i dont see a necro or any mesmers) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  00:46, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * sorry I was talking about the build I posted above not the actual bars. 24.6.122.112 00:49, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * o [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  00:54, 16 December 2008 (EST)

so after adding the stuff up my build does roughly 2,000 armor ignoring damage in 10ish seconds under best conditions 24.6.122.112 01:12, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * or use 7 monks, cast 7 SoJ, then follow up immediately with cry of pain +mesmer hex for +700 damage fast less than 7 sec 76.238.16.85 01:25, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Why not
1 x perma | 6 x RoJ/CoP | 1 x VoR Mes (DoA style) Ashes 05:04, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think CoP or at least VoR may cause scatter. Just take 7x RoJ + Arcane Echo. &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 05:14, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * My guess is that RoJ purges monsters so hard that it deletes that model that the monster was using.--72.189.85.14 05:14, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Though i do have to say RoJ + Wandering eye is making me smile...wiiiide.--72.189.85.14 05:17, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * And you dont think 14 x RoJ will make them scatter? Ashes 06:37, 16 December 2008 (EST)


 * RoJ Doesn't trigger scatter..
 * Finish the monk bars or this won't get vetted -- ''' Chaos Messenger  09:55, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I would but its taking me 30-60 seconds to load each pvxwiki page, it's really annoying, it's only happening today so i duno [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  11:32, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * ^ was happening to me. gone now.-- Ogre MAD  13:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)

cop>roj?
again, why use roj when theres cop? cop does not require any atribute, faster cast, faster recharge, non-elite, much bigger aoe, simply put it, cop is best aoe you'll get.
 * Must have a hex, may cause scatter, deals half the damage, usually is slower to use (waiting for aggro gather + hex cast). And RoJ deals extra damage to undead. &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 15:43, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * cop=700 damage with 7 cryers (which wont kill some hm mobs due to excessive heals/health), but RoJ does 1630 damage, which pwns mobs, now add that with some crys and u get 2330 (overkill) damage to mobs [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  16:44, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * what about making this into a SoO speed clear build for farming bone dragon staves?24.6.122.112 17:35, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * hmm well...I was thinking of having secondary 2 prot monks, 2 heal monks, 2 smite, and 1 mesmer ehxer monk[[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:38, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * as in the secondary attributes be those of the above, with RoJ as elite, and every1 carry cry [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:40, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * waiting for aggro gather? its not hard to gather a mob within "in the area" range, gather a mob withing adjecent range takes much more time, half the dmg? use arcane echo(or echo), scatter?grasping earth+1400dmg in ~1sec=no scatter, must have hex - so what? aoe hex like vor, ether nightmare or shared burden, extra dmg to undeads? sure if you fight undeads with 1400hp+...Dumbo 18:07, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * so a bar like

[build prof=Me/Mo Fastcasting=8+1+1 domination=10+1 smitingprayers=12][ray of judgment][arcane echo][cry of pain][mind wrack][backfire][empathy][castigation signet][rebirth][/build] ? and the rest of the bars be the same (or similar to the ones I posted above? 24.6.122.112 17:57, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * So nobody has given me a decent answear yet, why would you run this over arcane echo (or echo)+cop? name something thats better with roj, only thing roj has over cop is non-pveonly therefor heroes can run it, imo make it a hero build or sumthin...Dumbo 06:51, 17 December 2008 (EST)

EBSoH
Does not work with armor ignoring dmg, that means pretty much all smiting prayers.. Dumbo 18:16, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * then run the ebon battle standard of wisdom24.6.122.112 18:20, 16 December 2008 (EST)


 * Why not? It still doesn't make foes scatter. --  Chaos Messenger  18:25, 16 December 2008 (EST) lol nvm, I fail & mess up.. It's too much after midnight for stuff like this. -Chaos@2am
 * what? whats that have to do with EBSoH not adding damage to RoJ or cry of pain? 24.6.122.112 18:31, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * ? im pretty sure 1630+700 armor ignoring damage in 5 seconds flat is gud enough to kill all mobs, havnt seen any mobs with more hp than that (other than bosses) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  18:36, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Comments
on change to mainbars? <font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  19:03, 16 December 2008 (EST)


 * Sure beats none at all. -- ''' Chaos Messenger  19:15, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Made a note that teh monk builds do not have to be monk primary, sacrifising about 300-400 damage but still over 1.2k damage +700 from cry [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  19:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think you need will probably need a BiP 24.6.122.112 20:28, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Also the hexer should be a mesmer primary so you can get ether nightmare off quicker so the monks dont have to wait so long for CoP
 * Hexer is now mesmer primary, not sure which roj i shoudl take out for bip [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  20:32, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Im thinking drop one of the prots for a BiP with EBSoW, masochism, extinguish, prot spirit, blood renewal, optional, rebirth24.6.122.112 20:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Bip has been added [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  20:49, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Looks pretty good (still think you should make it into a SoO speed clear for bone dragon staves) 24.6.122.112 20:53, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Im gona make it for general HM stuff maybe including that [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  20:57, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * No one is going to run this for general HM, farming a dungeon like SoO, maybe 24.6.122.112 21:06, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I mean like slavers and crap like that in hm [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  21:10, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Slavers, SoO, Kathandrax all need there own specialized builds, your better off making 1 build that is good for 1 dungeon and since SoO is mainly undead I think this would be best there. 24.6.122.112 21:23, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ill say it's best to use there but can be used anywhere else as well :p [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  21:23, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Unfortunately I don't think it really works that way, you don't see builds tagged to farm UW then have them tagged to do general PvE? 24.6.122.112 21:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * i mean like this can work for vs farming as well, so im just broadning up the possible usages instead of just one [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  21:55, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * True, but people wont run this for VS farming when cry of pain is just as good there. 24.6.122.112 23:14, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Add RoJ to Cry for much faster kills, btw rdy for testing? [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  23:16, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah I geuss so, and yes this is probably the best its going to get. 24.6.122.112 23:21, 16 December 2008 (EST)

a decent answear to why run this over cop?
...none can tell me why? --Dumbo 12:15, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * this has cop, which does 700 damage with 7 cryers. only difference is, 700 isnt enough to kill most mobs (needs multiple uses from all 7 ppl), so RoJ can finish off mobs faster doing 1.2k damage [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  12:51, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * if you ever done VS farming, you know that 7 cries never kill off some group of mobs, sometimes not able to kill one of the guys (healed by others or something) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  12:54, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * echo sais HI --Dumbo 16:05, 17 December 2008 (EST) 1400dmg IN THE AREA, if you ever done vs farming you know mobs wont stack up in adjecent range --Dumbo 16:05, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * Cop also requires rank farming, it looks way not cooler than roj, and roj does double to undead [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:40, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * Also, most groups just cast cry whenever they feel like it, which is ineffective compared to using roj whenever they feel like it, thus syncing is not required at all (on all vs farming groups that i been in, people do not use cry at same time, they use it on random intervals) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:43, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * in addittion, echo+cry does less damage than roj + cry [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  18:10, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * The benefits of CoP are that spikes have very short cast time (as long as you arent messing around chaining echo) which ultimately means less casualties and no attribute investment means the rest of your build is still free to make suitable for the area. CoP spikes easily do more than 700 damage and as they are mostly always twinned with wandering eye, energy surge or arcane echo. RoJ+Cry damage is good, but only in the same way FoC+cry would be. If you are relying on damage over time, your team also take damage over time, its generally more risky. <font color="Pink">Lau  [[Image:User_Athrun_Feya_Hamster.png‎ ]] ( <font color="Gray">athrun | <font color="Gray">feya ) 10:50, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Genious idea
[build prof=N/Mo soul=8+1+1 smit=12 heal=10][ray of j][air of sup][patient sp][dwayna's k][signet of lost][/build]

[build prof=N/Mo soul=8+1+1 smit=12 prot=10][ray of j][aegis][protective spirit][shield of ab][air of sup][signet of lost][/build] free energy!-- Christmas Relyk  11:56, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * buttttt u miss out on unnessassary extra damages [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  12:50, 17 December 2008 (EST)


 * Soul Reaping, how very original :D Could work. -- ''' Chaos Messenger  12:56, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * Can be used on profession varients secion so ill just copy it over :p [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  12:57, 17 December 2008 (EST)

a lame helping idea
fragility triggers 5 times on ever RoJ and fuels CoP. 96.13.114.251 15:28, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * the damage from fragility is too minimal compared to AoE hexes like ether nightmare which you dont have to keep recasting if the target dies 24.6.122.112 18:13, 17 December 2008 (EST)
 * What about arcane echo for RoJ? it couldnt hurt considering theres no scatter... 81.107.126.211 09:22, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 * ^thats persuming your using it for CoP 81.107.126.211 09:24, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 * too energy crunched, even if add castigation signet the targets will die before sig or the second CoP is cast. so both my idea and the echo idea is not useful here. 96.13.59.179 12:01, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 * air of superiority helps with e-management alot and skill recharge due to massive kills [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  14:32, 18 December 2008 (EST)

VS Farming?
Could this possibly be used for VS farming?  <font color="#0000CC">Ŀ¥ЅЅΔΝ <font color="#0066FF">● <font color="#0099FF">55!  16:09, 19 December 2008 (EST)
 * ye, vs farming=1 shadow runner+6 cri and 1 fs, thus this fits it perfectly (have the bipper bring fs) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:01, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Tank Variants
[build name='w/e obsidian tank' prof=warri/eleme streng=12+1+3 earthm=12 tact=3][stoneflesh aura][obsidian flesh][wary stance][grasping earth][glyph of swiftness][endure pain][dolyak signet][signet of stamina][/build]

[build name="e/r doa tank - anti-interrupt variant" prof=eleme/warri earthm=12+1+3 tactic=9 energy=9+1][Obsidian Flesh][Ward Against Foes][Glyph of Concentration][Wary Stance][Balanced Stance][Ward of Stability][Armor of Earth][Stoneflesh Aura][/build]

slows the build down but makes it much safer, put them as variants for people afraid of the perma dying. 24.6.122.112 00:28, 20 December 2008 (EST)
 * In 90% of the game, if the perma dies, you should uninstall.  Life [[Image:Aura of Faith.jpg|19px]] 03:45, 20 December 2008 (EST)
 * and for that other 10% you run these, put them as variants 24.6.122.112 14:47, 20 December 2008 (EST)


 * permas get bored too...pretty easily. then the perma starts to remember a funny joke...forgets to press 1 2 3 and dies. getting bored is not a cause for uninstall and saying someone should uninstall is generally unhelpful to a builds creation<font color=#669900>ƃuoן sı [[Image:Escape.jpg|19px]] <font color=#996 600>ʇɐɔƃuoן 17:15, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Someone should
Turn this into something for heroes, like the two man discordway Cosm01 12:47, 22 December 2008 (EST)
 * Archive:Team - PvE Smiteway &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 13:02, 22 December 2008 (EST)
 * As in, 2 people can be whatever they like to be, with 6 heroes. Cosm01 06:54, 1 January 2009 (EST)

I havz a good idee-uh!
Bring cry of pain AND RoJ! :O <font color="Black">M <font color="#8B008B">a <font color="Purple">g <font color="#DA70D6">ne <font color="Purple">t <font color="#8B008B">o <font color="Black">x
 * it's on the skillbar since ages back, and im not sure bout the glyph of lesser energy so ill put it back to optional again [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  14:34, 25 December 2008 (EST)


 * I think it was meant as an ironic comment about bringing two very funny skills. <3 --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 12:11, 26 December 2008 (EST)

heroes
have no problem using this build, they use it flawlessly on my GoM runner. <font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  18:53, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Methinks it's gud
In all honesty, the build isn't even bad. In fact, it's great. It's a guildwarific breakthrough. Why bring echo that will add.. hmm.. 100 damage (maybe).. when you can bring RoJ that will do... (quick math).. ruffly 240 damage! The only con is that you need lots of monks, which are hard enough to find already. But if this works with heroes, all though it might not be THE BEST, it's a plausible team for GW clears. 23:45, 26 December 2008 (EST)

RoJ is not as powerful as this says
someone needs to update ray of judgment on pvx, the description is wrong -

Should be: Full: Invoke a Ray of Judgment at target foe's location. For 5 seconds, foes adjacent to that location are struck for 5...37 holy damage and begin Burning for 1...3 seconds every second.

10 Energy 2 Activation 20 Recharge

Ray of Judgment
 * It takes a long time for our skill descriptions to be updated. I think it's gwShack that does them. ــмıкε  нaшк  12:20, 29 December 2008 (EST)


 * RoJ is more powerful than what the description says, not less powerful. 240 dmg > 110 dmg. --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 08:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * 5*37=185 with no runes, with runes it amounts up to 240 not including burning [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  00:21, 4 January 2009 (EST)

smiters
id take 6 people with RoJ, smiters boon, RoD, smite hex, divine healing/heaven's delight, ... 1 perma and 1 HB.. maybe 1 Me/mo as you've got now soyou can still fit CoP somewhere... 5-6 smiters is rly strong<font color="#009933">CloseImpact<font color="#003300"> Pet Whale  07:02, 10 January 2009 (EST)
 * Horribad english ftl, but the caller should be a mesmer.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 18:50, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Lawl blindness, nvm  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 18:51, 25 January 2009 (EST)

clean up
this build needs to be cleaned up -- Dr ah   04:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Then clean it up ffs--Goldenstar 04:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * done for now. -- Dr ah  [[Image:Drah-Sig1.jpg‎|19px]] 05:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

additional ideas
Mindbender and By Urals Hammer are very good with arcan echo RoJ spiking groups. Mind bender allows for you to get more RoJ's off Ural's significantly increases damage of RoJ especially versus Undead. RoJ is much better than CoP because in many areas where there is hex removal, damage is significantly dropped. RoJ also does more damage and can be used on multiple groupings of badies and is still decent damage output. Also, I always thought this build might be good with a couple of Searing FLames Ellies due to the near constant burning of foes.68.254.161.124 06:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Use both :/--Relyk 07:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not add Ebon battle standard of wisdom? With someone high in the rank of vanguard, all roj will have a 60+% chance to recharge faster, which is always usefull for areas like Urgoz, where some people survive. Also i doubt they stack, but if the wells stack, then have two people bring it :p
 * BUH is very good with Ray. Glyph of Swiftness as well.[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]]
 * omg no wai this page is still alive [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  16:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

roj + cry
nerf?!??!?!!? <font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  02:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * yep.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 02:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)