Build talk:D/any Gates of Kryta HM Farmer

Provisional
We actually have to wait until a build is 1 month in testing before applying provisional ratings. I'll take care of it then, so you don't have to keep an eye on the date. --Krschkr (talk) 22:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, didn't know. 1 month sounds a bit long though, I think 2 weeks should be fine. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 08:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * But the tag for the other build can stay, I messed up when reverting the provisional tag for it. Sorry, mea culpa. --Krschkr (talk) 18:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Optional
IMO it should always be Heart of Fury. Increases damage, adrenaline gain, and even healing. Just seems like the best option by far. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 14:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it does not increase AoE damages tho. even if you attack faster you will only be able to hit 3 foes at a time. I still think whilrwind attack even aura slicer are decent alternatives for the first part of the farm. I you keep going after killing the first waves and decide to kill the inactive foes, then yea heart of fury will significantly speed up the second part. Veil of thorns if more like a defensive option or a safety net to get started with this farm. Jilonor (talk) 17:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think mental block on balthazar dervish is overkill since there is mirage cloak. will switch if for heart of fury Jilonor (talk) 13:40, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Alternative Build
I did not have the required skills for this farm so I tried something different: [build=OgCjkyqDLThXPXjXHYbXihje0kA] This farm is intended just for those warrior popups on the side path and the three necromancers, right? If the farm is intended to tackle more than that, be more specific in the usage notes please. I quickly made a video showing that pious renewal works for those foes and doesn't have issues with death nova – which the current build might have, according to the notes on the build page. Someone who's interested in this farming location might leave a note how this alternative performs in comparison to the current build. Especially if played by someone who's making better use of walls/corners to prevent kiting of foes. Did anyone try a regular vow of strength dervish here? Should work well enough against these simple, balling foes. I don't have vow of strength on my dervish, so I can't test it myself right now. --Krschkr (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice concept, a bit more challenging and slower than balthazar but it is definitely working. Tho I would put mental block instead of IAU. Regarding farm, I would say its up to the player. Original farm stops at the end of your video but potentially you can go all the way to the cave with 2 necromancers and a lot of Hellhounds. As long as there is no mesmer, you can go on. VoS dervish is working but I don't think its the fastest. Reap Impurities does 192 AoE armor ignoring dmg at each usage. VoS is slashing damages and most of the foes are warrior type with high armor vs physicals.  Jilonor (talk) 22:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, if it's slower we can bury it right away. Thanks for checking it! --Krschkr (talk) 22:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've found them to be about the same, with your build being ~10 seconds faster on average, but AoB is way easier and has a much lower chance of dying. Pious is fun though, I think this one is the highest APM build in all of GW :D --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 09:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I will add this option to the template with a bit of rework/optional suggestions on the skills. feel free to update afterwards . Should I link the video to the usage section?Jilonor (talk) 09:31, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd say that it's always good to have a video for farming builds to show the route and usage, but ideally it should be the most recommendable build version. As you found the AoB build to be more reliable it should be a video with the AoB build imo. OT: Dagger paragon feels like having way more APM. :D --Krschkr (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I did additional testing. For Phase 1, Fastest combination is balthazar with aura slicer + Reap Impurities. On average, those builds are quite equivalent. time can vary depending on foes configuration, the spot you tank on, if you have a running skill but the time is more or less the same in the end. with a normal speed, you need 1 min to go all the way there, pull and get on tanking position. Running skill is a good option if you intend to just do part 1. Technically this farm takes average 1min25 if you don't consider the running phase. For phase 2, the Pious Renewal build is faster. with Conviction and mental block it adds stability and consistency. Jilonor (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Comparison vs the NM build
Nice looking build so far, would like to give this a try. I noticed there were some comparisons to this and the NM build (https://gwpvx.gamepedia.com/Build:Any/Mo_Gates_of_Kryta_NM_Farmer). It's possible to increase the initial mob size by going into the corner of the map by Oink (other build page has some details about this). Is it possible to use this trick with the HM build? I'm also curious about the NM vs HM argument. HM conceptually would be better, but if its slower and farms a smaller mob, it becomes a grey area. Material drops won't change. What do you think about this? Sonofthort (talk)
 * Someone would have to test whether it works with this build. I didn't know of that possibility when I made that video, but if no one else can be bothered to quickly test that I'll go for it. I'm a bit hesitant about suggesting to exploit glitches (such as moving through the tree) however. --Krschkr (talk) 18:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea, the gate exploit is probably not a great thing to advertise, I removed that. I'd like to test this as well, but need to spend sometime dusting off my Derv. Sonofthort (talk)
 * These builds can't handle elementalists(blinding flash, lightning touch) or mesmers(ineptitude). If you go the opposite way of the tree bug without having triggered the spawns (did not try this trick yet), there will be 3 groups to farm. 1st has 5 mobs. group 2 has 6 mobs but they are scattered and will neither fight back or move. group 3(in the cave) has 12 mobs(1 necromancer + 2 hellhounds * 4. it is hard to pull them all at the same time though). Potentially you can keep going avoiding patrols with mesmers and killing the ones with 3 mobs (2 rangers and a ghoul). there are 3 groups like that. might post a video of walk-through Jilonor (talk) 10:54, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice, thanks for clarifying. A video with the full path could be helpful, not sure if that is intended to be part of the farm or not. It's not necessarily a bad thing if this doesn't farm ele's and mesmers. Is there a HM build that can actually do this/the trick efficiently? I seem to remember having trouble with this (either hard to stay alive, or takes too long). HM scatter can make it more advantageous to split groups apart anyway. I probably have to spend more time testing this myself to compare and contrast. Sonofthort (talk)

Ebon battle standard of honor
I removed it from the permanent skills because, despite what was mentionned, holy attacks on undeads under EBSoH won't get a bonus of +30 but only +15 from the ward. Reap Impurities is part of the core concept and the most efficient dmg skill for this bar : 192 AoE dmg per usage. OgGjkqrLrSOXmXcX7gibfXEYuXA this build can complete the farm in ~2:10 Jilonor (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2019 (UTC)