Archive talk:A/E Raptor Farmer

Looks kind of energy heavy. God box    06:38, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

It is, but you only need to cast all spells one time accept SF. And as long as you have +65 energie you'll be fine Ratman
 * wroks cuz the vid proves it :D  Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 07:50, 14 July 2008 (EDT)


 * And the E/Me builds we have work better and kill the boss. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  17:40, 14 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Not everyone has an ele :D --Rayd 05:03, 15 July 2008 (EDT)


 * The sliver builds take up to 3 minutes to clear the cave, this bar can do it in under a minute minus the boss. Most people don't need the bonus rep and elite sin tomes are practically worthless so why on earth would you choose an ele over a sin when sins can do it in half the time?  Great bar by the way, I use this now in place of the long fire bar for very fast clears. 98.219.48.111 17:14, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Degen Caps at 10
only have the video to go off but all three degen skills (bruning - radiation field/disease - poison) were cast one after another burning and one other are all thats needed as degeneration caps at 10 and you get 7 degen from burning 4 from disease and 3(?) from poison. Unless the raptors heal? if they dont you can get 10 degen and free up a slot for something for the broodmother like sliver armour (even at half dmg may be enough?)? On a side note you should have tons of energy if u ahve a reasonable rank in Asuran. Xiay 18:52, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Burning -7 Poison -4 Disease -4 Drop the poison and you might have the same but cheaper effect. However since burning is short condition it might have stopped before they are dead`. edit: The Burning ends before they are dead  Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 05:20, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

AN Discussion

 * Rekoff is a Raptor yes? He is drawn along with one of the Raptor mobs, no? Not killing all Raptors in the cave = inferior to other Raptor farming builds, and I never mentioned other assassin farming builds. Selket Shadowdancer 08:08, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 30 secs without boss or 3 mins with superior k? and eles aren't the same as assassins now stop comparing proffessions  Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 08:13, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I will compare proffessions if another proffession does a much better job. Also when you compare the amounjt of foes you're killing without the boss mob it all comes down to around the same time really, only you get worse drops because you have to keep rezoning to kill the same amount of foes than if you just tackled the whole mob. You're acting like I voted it trash when I was the first person who gave it a go and actually gave it a decent vote. Grow up and stop whining. Selket Shadowdancer 08:21, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You can compare proffession in PvP because you can make a new one in a few seconds in PvE you can't and since PvE is build for all proffessions there also should be builds for every proffession.  Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 08:34, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Selket you'll excuse me for saying so but the point you make is ridiculous...most people who farm this don't need the bonus rep and elite assassin tomes are virtually worthless when compared to other professions. I'll go Alan Greenspan here for a minute to help you understand this basic concept.  Profitability = Efficiency + Speed.  The assassin is only slightly less efficient (can't kill Rekoff but then most sin bars for this never could) but is between 66-100% faster (30-60 seconds cave clear).  In other words, in the same amount of time it takes an ele to finish 1 run a good sin could do anywhere from 2 to 6 runs.  I know this is complex math here but do you want to guess who gets more profitable use of time spent?  98.219.48.111 11:33, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Disclaimer: I've never done this run...with that said however, I think Selket's point was you're comparing an ele build which does all raptors plus Rekoff to one which doesn't attempt to. So to have an accurat comparison, you'd need to compare the time it takes the ele build to kill the same foes yours does.  If yours is much faster, then we have a win; if on the other hand they're comparable, then it's not better because the other can do more.  13:39, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * This isn't my build but again, you can kill every raptor in the cave save for Rekoff in under 60 seconds. Even if you couldn't pull that off you are only missing 8-9 nestlings in Rekoff's group which is ~26% of the total number down there.  For the sake of argument we'll say the total foes is 30 and Rekoff's group is therefore 33% of that.  If the average sin can do 3 runs in the time it takes an ele to do 1 its not hard to see who has more potential profitability (3x20 > 1x30).  Even if the sin was below average and could only pull off 2 runs (2x20 > 1x30).  The reason why it takes eles so much longer to finish is not because they "attempt to" kill Rekoff.  Its because Sliver Armor is single targetted and a lousy option for multiple foe farming to begin with.  This says nothing for its killing power dropping off rapidly when number of foes dwindles.  98.219.48.111 15:47, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Doesn't seemed to be weighted properly. I'm sure that the other build doesn't kill Rekoff in the same amount of time it takes to kill the rest of the raptors.  So, you would have to up the percentage that he's included in; as a result, this would bring the two ratios closer in comparison.   15:49, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

I can throw sliver on my assassin right now using shadowform and under 50% damage reduction, she dies in under 20 seconds. Go try this one, took me ~1:20 even taking down Rekoff w/ full clear and I lived to tell the tale.

[build prof=Assassin/Elementalist Shadow=12+1+3 Earth=12 Deadly=3][Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form] [Sliver Armor][Radiation Field][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Feigned Neutrality][Viper's Defense][/build]

Enter cave cycle 1+2+3, gather aggro and hug rocks in front of Rekoff's group making sure to keep Rekoff to your left for flee. Use 6+5+4, then 7 when Rekoff uses Twisting Jaws for regen not armor. Once Rekoff dies, and she will die fast, use 8 and wait for them to die while cycling 1+2+3. If you have stragglers use 8 or 5, guaranteed faster than the ele sliver variant and most importantly this satisfies your unfair comparison caveat. 98.219.48.111 16:10, 16 July 2008 (EDT)


 * See, now that's what I was looking for - a valid comparison between the two builds. I'll keep my rating the way it is then and maybe some other folks can raise theirs so it doesn't get trashed.   16:23, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Death's Charge is more than enough to keep you alive if you kill Rekoff first. Feigned Neutrality is unnessacary and less useful generally because you want to reduce scatter from Sliver Armour by keeping your health as low as possible once the boss is dead, plus it allows you to escape body blocking should you make a mistake, or EB. ALso the glyph of lesser energy shouldnt be nessacary as you can just use the jar of invigoration. Selket Shadowdancer 11:15, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I can tell you right now if you don't kill Rekoff within the first Sliver she isn't going to die. You are going to want the glyph to continue cycling 8/5 and 7 for regen so you can at least survive long enough for reinfection to kill every last nestling and collect your drops.  Its there just in case you screw up the pull and Sliver doesn't target Rekoff for whatever reason.  If you feel that strongly about glyph you could replace it with mindbender to speed up the gathering of aggro and get down 5 a bit quicker.  The idea is to run while healing if you have to, not heal at the cost of teleporting right back into the fray.  98.219.48.111 11:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Intensity says hai! Works excellently with Sliver Armour for the initial attack. I've slivered before with the old version and managed to kill her after 2 slivers so with the degen on top I dont see how this wouldn't. Using Death's Charge to shadowstep to her and then using a melee caster weapon to attack her normally ensues that most of the time you will take her down first anyway. With Deaths Charge you can normally survive 2-3 Twisting Jaws attacks while also gaining better positioning. Again as previously mentioned, just use the Jar of Invigoration if you run low on energy, not to mention the Asura bonuses tend to sway in your favour fairly often too. Energy should be the least of your worries really. Selket Shadowdancer 11:49, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Selket, log on and actually test the build before you comment alright? Intensity under Shadow Form adds a whopping 2 damage to Sliver Armor.  I put this build on here to try to help and I know it works.  If you like it make it your own if not then go play your Ele, you have that right.  98.219.48.111 12:10, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually I have, so don't just assume people don't actually try builds before giving an opinion on them. Intensity under Shadow Form under max sunspear rank adds up considering the damage from Sliver Armour comes from the amount of enemies attacking you. Over 9 seconds with 34 enemies attacking you it adds alot more damage than not taking it if your goal is to kill Rekoff as fast as possible so that you can clear the whole cave. If your goal is to kill Rekoff you simply don't need Feigned Neutrality if you do it right, because if you do screw it up then you've already wasted far too much time doing the run than you should be, not to mention you will cancel out Feigned Neutrality should you have to have to recast Shadow Form meaning you wont get the most out of it, while Deaths Charge is an instant heal and will position to the outside of the mob giving you better mobility if you need to break away for any reason. Oh and lastly, keep it civil please, there's absolutely no need to get worked up over a simple suggestion. Selket Shadowdancer 12:28, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm not worked up over anything, its just impossible to defend hypotheticals. I will repeat what I said before, If you like this build Selket then make it your own (modify as you see fit for your own use) this is what I use and I decided to share it, it works and I plan to continue using it.  If you don't like it then go play your Ele...it really is that simple.  No innuendo, no condescension, no "work[ing] up" just the plain truth.  I realize its common to be misrepresented by the internet which is obviously what happened here, but spare me the victimization routine.  98.219.48.111 12:47, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Then spare me the unnessacary commments and stick to simple discussion of the build please, not what proffession I would or would not rather play as, thanks. I didn't even say the Sliver Armour build was even bad in the first place, especially seems I actually use it myself, just giving insight into what actually works for me, which surprisingly enough is no different to what you were doing, right? Selket Shadowdancer 13:04, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Like you've both said, it's easy to have meanings of posts misunderstood on the internet. 98.219, it's very easy when one suggests that another go play a certain class. I know what you meant, but it's easy to take offense when that's said. So, since there were no intentions to piss each other off, call a truce? lol  13:08, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Editted the build so it can do Rekoff Broodmother's group, i've also added the sliver build to variants. Ratman

@Jebus: Utility for Speed
What are you talking about? It's faster, and apparently fairly easy to survive, so what utility has been given up? 11:47, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Cheese Eater/Crossfire's votes
It's damn hard to run an E/Me on an A/E. This is meant to farm Raptors for Assassins. -- * Wah Wah  Wah! * 12:46, 17 July 2008 (EDT)


 * And the whole, "shock is a costly interrupt" is getting a bit old. 16:51, 17 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Also Cheese Eater, it has been said that the build can kill Rekoff. 16:53, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Mine can Choytw, the original can't. I don't know how it would go through a system of re-vetting but I would encourage the curious to try mine and see if they like the results.  I've been using it since yesterday afternoon and though occasionally Rekoff escapes the Sliver onslaught you can almost be guaranteed to wipe out the rest of the brood.  The key is to keep Rekoff to your left and pin into the rocks with a gap just like corner blocking.  Once Rekoff goes down the rest fall due to nearly maxed out degen and reinfection no need for burn.  98.219.48.111 19:55, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Then yours needs to be added as the main build with the current one moved to variants, or yours into variants. As it is, the build is in danger of being trashed simply because it can't do Rekoff.   10:49, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ups. Saying "my build is SOOO much better... but I'm not posting it" is like robbing a store with a water pistol; it's fraud-ridden. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 10:52, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * His build is the one two sections up which incorporates sliver armor. 10:55, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

HM as well?
Does this work in HM as well as NM? Elijah1210 17:24, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, it does. Btw. I was using this build(1st) right after Sf nerf ^^' Kamis