Archive talk:R/W BA Turret

the return of rebel rising. -- Frosty  10:13, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * do you obs more than you play =o? Saint 10:23, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * nop -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 10:41, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * I knew some fag would post this, kind of figured it would be you. Now go vote up my flail ranger ;o - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 10:42, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * Escape one :< -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 10:47, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * Fine, be euro, keep spiking, never split. If you want you can take Sloth Hunter's and Hunter's instead of Debilitating. Pew pew rangers are demons on the gank tbh. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 11:00, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * Debilitating shot is just so piss annoying though...--66.192.104.13 11:15, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * Which is why I put it on, but we are totally digressing from how [rawr] went ups, you nerfed ED, fuck it, we'll keep playing the same way with this. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 11:35, 12 November 2008 (EST)

How did I know Frosty was going to put this on? Railin 17:37, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Another fail ranger with no self heal, and no you don't always have a monk 68.47.192.6 02:07, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * lol -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 03:37, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * Another fail anon-- Get Your Wood On  Discuss  04:03, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * lolx2 ~Dronte~ 13:54, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Variants
This needs more. Mel's Shot works well in this build. Consensus? -- The preceding srsly srs comment was added by Itokaru   01:41, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Needling Shot ftw. --Rancoeur Subtile 19:43, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 * Needling Shot will drain you quick and WoH Monks usually spoil it's spammability. I'd say Keen Arrow if you want more raw damages vs. bleeding because most of your teammates will already have bleeding-inducing attacks. Just my thought. --Ulterion 19:46, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 * Needling Shot won't drain you quick, it's just a terrible skill. -- The preceding srsly srs comment was added by Itokaru   20:32, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 * The purpose of this build isn't it about high damage in riffle? Look like Needling is a fast, very powerfull and low cost skill who do well the job. This build have yet a problem of e-management, Needling can bypass it in an reasonable way, an can kill VERY fast a -50% health opponent.About WoH, it can spoil every arrows skill, not only Needle, no?^^' ... oh yeah, and I just wanted to say that when I play this build, ennemy monks are not so much a problem ... the problem is poor defense if no healer in the team (for RA), and the E management. But this build really rocks, and deserve his reputation.--Rancoeur Subtile 10:31, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, the purpose of this build is high damage. 44 damage (29 damage from Needling, +10 from Read the Wind and +5 from vamp) is not high. Also, there are zero energy problems with this build. I spam BA-Hunters-Savage on recharge and don't run into energy problems. -- The preceding srsly srs comment was added by  Itokaru   15:58, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * Needle make high damage by ultra spam.--Rancoeur Subtile 17:49, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * It's still low, conditional damage that costs energy. Needling Shot is bad. -- The preceding srsly srs comment was added by Itokaru   17:47, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Mel's Shot with it's 1sec casting can be nice choice. ArtDeRue TALK!  04:44, 23 November 2008 (EST)

burning arrow turret more like Bad ass turret lololololololol. 74.192.159.142 10:30, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Since we already have flail as IAS, do we really need Lighting Reflexes? Maybe drop it out for Troll Unguent or Natural Stride? Colonel Hawk 22:48, 25 November 2008 (EST)
 * That'd require you to spec into wild survival, lightning is there as anti-spike, not IAS. In GVG, with lightning you should NOT die to any physical spike.--Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]Star 22:50, 25 November 2008 (EST)
 * Throw Dust jk-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 22:55, 25 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ofc it's also a nice IAS to start of whit :> But it is very flexible, its probably the variant in this build (Mtouch for split etc Sup style <3) Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 12:37, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * Flail is the optional in this build, seen it replaced with mtouch many times. LR is the shizzle. Tritan 00:38, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Major Rune
Is a major marks really necessary in this build? I know it will add damage, but you don't see major/sup runes in PvP often. --210.9.136.39 08:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * 14 Marks is another second on burning, this is a DPS Ranger, the extra 14 Dmg via degen per burning ( along with increased DPS overall) is worth - 35 HP. Hikari 20:49, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 * And it adds 2 more to the front end.  20:54, 18 December 2008 (EST)

What sucks
I pewpewed stuff to death too much in FA and ran out of energy D:-- Christmas Relyk  08:25, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * happens to me all day long, i feel ur pain :( [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  17:00, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Ya its good but if u dont have a monk or other team has monk in RA it fails http://s1.bite-fight.us/c.php?uid=205964
 * This pew pew monks easy, easy easy dshots on woh. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]Frosty  po!  21:29, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * You're probably not going to get glads if you don't have a healer, regardless of what build you run.  Toraen  (Talk  /  Contrib)  03:37, 10 January 2009 (EST)

In CM
If you ran this vs say a Incendiary Arrow ranger in JQ, how could you truly consider both to be great? Incendiary Arrows is a) Capable of capping shrines faster, b) A LOT more likely to survive because of a self heal, c) able to remove conditions from itself without sacrificing pin down. Clearly Incendiary Arrows is a GREAT build for CM where as this build is not. It's good, but a single ele with Blinding Flash will smack you into the ground. A little bit of pressure will smack you into the ground.

Just because it is great in organised PvP doesn't mean it is great everywhere else. Not all arenas have a monk, not all arenas have the same objectives. PvX wiki needs to have separate builds section for different arenas instead of lumping a great tag on something that works in GvG and HA but is terribad in un-organised PvP or arenas with different objectives. Get someone to run this and then run IA in JQ and see which one was better. I'm not saying the build is bad, I'm saying the rating doesn't reflect the arena you play in, maybe it's time to rate builds for individual arenas because there is a clear difference in performance for each arena. 122.111.93.80 22:02, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * dshot bflash &mdash; Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 22:16, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * 3/4 second cast time and a duration twice it's recharge. I'm not saying it can't be done, I am saying if that's what your entire build is resting on then have fun. 122.111.93.80 22:24, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * 3/4 cast isn't hard to interrupt, and RtW + flail makes it disgustingly easy =\--Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]Star 22:42, 12 January 2009 (EST)

ANTIDOTE SIGNETPika Fan  22:54, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ive been using Wild Blow cause of this one dam touch ranger from luxon side, i lold as i pewpewed his Whirling Defensegay ass--Relyk _||_  I hammers u! 23:57, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * And ba turret is so fking oped in fa--Relyk <font color=#66CCFF>_||_ <font color=#333300> I hammers u! 23:58, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Bonetti's
Never seen it in TA before. '''Bonetti's Defense ends if you use a skill. ''' Why would you use this on a turret? It also doesn't have the IAS lightning reflexes has. <font color="#033361">Railin 11:22, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 * Is strong. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  11:24, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 * Because you have 8 adrenaline all the time so you can use it whenever you get attacked AND it means you can spam savage shot like a whore? Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:25, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 * nrgz--<font color=#585858>Relyk <font color=#66CCFF>_||_ <font color=#333300> I hammers u! 11:57, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 * Also apparently sexy for making sure you can renew RtW and get res sig off without being shot by other turret whores. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 11:58, 13 January 2009 (EST)

as well as have a 75% chance to get res sig off, and if they are raping your rtw you can get that off too.  <font color="#444">-- Gringo <small style="font-family:Verdana;"><font color="#444">TALK 17:00, 13 January 2009 (EST)  whups just noticed panic said that.  <font color="#444">-- Gringo <small style="font-family:Verdana;"><font color="#444">TALK 17:00, 13 January 2009 (EST) 
 * In all fairness I had to ask why you would take it, too. As Rawr says, if you run it you do end up with it charged often enough to be useful and the times you would use it (preps, rez, possibly even defensively), you won't necessarily be attacking anyway so the IAS loss isn't too bad. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 12:07, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 * ive also seen it on a ton of magebanes, helpful for getting apply up.  <font color="#444">-- Gringo <small style="font-family:Verdana;"><font color="#444">TALK 17:09, 13 January 2009 (EST) 
 * Last time I used magebane in TA it was the standard R/Mo bar and I used nat stride but yeah same theory. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 14:36, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 * People who are not bad are able to defile on time so n-stride ends and you still dshot unless the ranger is terrible and dshots at the beginning ;/ —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  14:50, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * True. But you'd still try to use Nat Stride to cockblock a savage or dshot on your apply/rez. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 04:37, 27 January 2009 (EST)

sry but why only in ta?Illoyon 15:40, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Because it's terrible everywhere else (everywhere else being HA and GvG) &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 23:55, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Also everywhere else--Relyk 04:23, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Ner to Flail
no longer a viable ias. :( Generalmurgahn 00:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to mention RtW also ShureShot [[Image:Quick_Shot.jpg|19px]] <font color="Green">Masta <font style="color:#CC9966">Rangah! 00:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4 rangers with pets and iway imo--Relyk 02:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Be brave, use frenzy & bonetti's--Goldenstar 02:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * We keeping RtW as the prep or replacing it with some shit like Apply? [[Image:Jebus.JPG|66px]] 02:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * YAY NERFS. Antidote Signet imo. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  02:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * frenzy+bonettis is win imo--Relyk 02:32, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * RtW is needed for flatbow usage [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  04:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Gay nerf to RtW is gay --J0™ 09:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I has heard Apply iz nao >>> than RtW. --BlazingBurdy 14:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But then u need recurve bow =(
 * Not sure if spikefag ranger will continue, but the nerf will hurt (but we said that after the ED nerf soooo) [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 16:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Goldenstar, that would be the most amazing bar ever. EVER. Brandnew.  16:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Less dmg from RtW means less pew pew and you need damage from somewhere (i.e.: Apply Poison). NO way around it! I'd rather apply pressure through degen than do equal or less damage. --BlazingBurdy 17:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * kindle for damage [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  03:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * rtw=flatbow pewpew--Relyk 04:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

[build prof=Ranger/X Marks=12+2 Exp=12+1+1][Point Blank Shot][Hunter's Shot@16][Savage Shot@16][Distracting Shot][Lightning Reflexes][Expert's Dexterity][Read the Wind][Resurrection Signet][/build] That would work right? Still has some IAS and +2 to marks. And sloth's over point blank? &mdash; LukeJohnson  09:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * ED PvP nerf :< -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ye, but it's still a constant IAS and a little damage boost, and as flail is nerfed :0 &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 12:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Frenzy + Bonetti's tbh [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 12:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * instead of LR? &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 12:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

You might aswell run an original ranger build since RtW is fucked too. <font color="Black">Ricky <font color="Black">vantof 13:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * unless meta changes from spike, having rtw for faster spikes/better rupts is still a good choice. &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 13:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * RtW still lets you pump more by using a flatbow instead of a recurve. Is it still worth it? Dunno, we'll find out, you might get away with a shortbow. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   14:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Bonetti's lets you spam Savage like a bitch, and you can bring Hunters, PBS, Lightning Reflexes, etc for the optional. 00:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC) Tiger's Fury? Leaves secondary open.--kaboom 04:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Linked to Beast, disables res ;o -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nerf to RtW was extremely harsh; kick to the balss of every pew-pew'r out there. No damage from RtW and no IAS makes this extremely inferior/forces conversion to W.Surv's Apply/Barbed. GG Anet for taking away our options. We're now just that much more bored of Guild Wars thanks to whosever bright idea it is to take away from the game. --BlazingBurdy 05:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * We know. Rather go cut yourself than come here and QQ about the game. -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They did too much damage, the nerf was balanced, these are still good in dual ranger or spike teams [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 12:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Rapid Fire
Maybe? It seems like its a forgotten skill. Since RtW no longer gives bonus damage, why not take a constant 33% IAS? --- <font color="Blue"> Ressmonkey  (talk) 01:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * cause rtw makes ur ARROWS fly whatever faster so they will hit more often68.39.180.226 18:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Archive?
No one ever uses this anymore.
 * really? what's guildwarz? [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">05:16, 10 April 2009

Vote wipe / archive
This build is fairly nerfed, and i havent seen this once in a long time.. This isnt a great build anymoar. Massive  10:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen in HA with Expert's focus for +9 dmg per arrow? Exo Oo 17:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * was that a question or did you just randomly add a question mark? [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">17:24, 14 April 2009
 * IT WAS A "YOU SURE IT'S NOT USED? i'VE SEEN IT USED" cba to uncapsExo Oo 17:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * what? [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">17:47, 14 April 2009
 * some groups in HA (not below r6) sometimes use Bunring arrow for spiek builds with expert's focus for prep Exo Oo 18:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)