Archive talk:E/Mo Mind Blast Split Ele

Discussion
Why would you ever use this as opposed to a generic flagger? Burning Speed is terrible, totally inferior to Flame Djinn's Haste. Frigid Armor is terrible, its bonus is negated by hitting F2. This build supposedly supports allies by countering spikes, but your anti-spike chain of MoR -> Mind Blast -> Steam takes 4.5 seconds to get off, by which time the spike would have succeeded and the target dead. That's assuming that it goes off uninterrupted. You can't defend the base, with no heals for NPCs and no real ability to defend yourself. You'll easily get killed by a lone ranger, warrior, anything that they send against you. — Tycn (talk *pvxcontribs ) 10:23, 16 December 2007 (CET)

Hmm... Im not sure. The build lacks in healing your own team/ npcs. I think i should change the build. IT focuses on two different chains. Frigid and Burning Speed combined works pretty well, because your running aboout 50% faster for an unlimited amount of time. I should change the focus of the build to MoR -> Mind Blast -> Steam -> Slippery Ground. The chain works very good. I should also add taht its suitable for other pvp places like AB. It probably doesnt work for GvG, but the Frigid armor, Burning Speed combo works pretty good. Im not sure. Please suggest what i should do.Crossfirexiv 19:30, 16 December 2007 (CET)

There's no real reason to use Burning Speed while you can use FDH though, especially since having to recast it somewhat negates the speed increase. I would recommend a semi-common E/D mind blaster: [build prof=E/d fire=11+1+1 energy=10+1 air=6 earthprayers=8][mind blast][immolate][gale][blinding flash][mystic regeneration][flame djinn's haste][fire attunement][optional][/build] Plenty of energy, can assist in flag running or relieve pressure with blind, has some decent pressure with mblast and immolate spam, and a self heal. — Tycn (talk *pvxcontribs ) 03:03, 17 December 2007 (CET)

I dont think there is any need ofr immotilate, but i like that build, i think ill use it or somthing somewhat of it.Crossfirexiv 15:51, 19 December 2007 (CET)

Also, there has to be some way to heal the party as well, i will make it a monk secondary and use different healing or protection skills in the build.Crossfirexiv 15:53, 19 December 2007 (CET)

The above build as it is would be the best setup. It's not a primary flagger, just a versatile midliner that can accomplish a lot of tasks. Monk heals are clunky and wouldn't work as well for a similar character. I'm planning to move and rewrite this, if you don't mind. Tycn 06:39, 20 December 2007 (EST)

Blinding Flash and Gale are used in the bar...with 0 Air Magic... Smooths 18:37, 1 January 2008 (EST)
 * Oops. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:50, 1 January 2008 (EST)

What skill should i drop (for res sig) when i go RA with this ? Also why isn't enchantment removal a counter? Master Gladius 13:16, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Figure it out yourself imo. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:18, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Variant for RA
I like taking Healing Breeze over Mystic Regen in RA. It can be just enough healing, along with the B-flash defense, for teams with no Monk, but a ton of damage, to push through to 10 wins. Even if your team does have a Monk, Breeze is generally more useful than Mystic Regen for this setting. Zuranthium 14:14, 30 January 2008 (EST)
 * 5 wins=glad point. 204.108.80.12 14:17, 30 January 2008 (EST)
 * But I feel likely a failure when I only get 5. Go for 10 wins...3 glad points! ;-) Zuranthium 18:51, 30 January 2008 (EST)
 * Added to Variants. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 14:29, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Also with the buff to Glyph of Restoration (it is now the next 2 spells u cast) u can heal yourself for 200-250 health and save your attribute points. Master Gladius 15:59, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Merge
Merge this build with ? JoE554 09:31, 6 February 2008 (EST)
 * Entirely different purpose to that build, and this build carries the spirit of the meta in its skill choice.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 09:39, 6 February 2008 (EST)

I removed the RA tag cuz no rez is a failure in RA Didi 13:33, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * Variants. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  13:34, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * Any guy with brains knows that you can drop gale for rez sig if you fail. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  15:35, 24 February 2008 (EST)

I wuvs this build. - (nō'vĭk dăn tĕt') [snō hwīt tăn]  05:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * Dropping Gale is retarded, drop FDH instead. - (nō'vĭk dăn tĕt') [[Image:Ritualist-icon-small.png]] [snō hwīt tăn] 05:11, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Archived
5 of the 8 skills in main bar nerfed. Discuss here. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 16:49, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * It sucks balls. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 18:13, 6 March 2008 (EST)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO   &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  19:11, 8 March 2008 (EST)
 * lol@the acrhive list. absolutely raped. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 19:28, 8 March 2008 (EST)
 * The blind from flash rarely lasted its full duration anyway, I don't see why anyone's concerned about it lasting 2 seconds less. The cost and recharged weren't touched; that was barely a nerf.
 * The mystic regeneration nerf did absolutely nothing to this build. It capped healing at 3 enchantments. This build has 3 enchantments. How is a non-existent change a nerf?
 * Flame Djinn's Haste. Only griefers ever used it as a permanent speed boost, all the good eles were in adjacent range before using it anyway (most used it to get away from a war; it hit him then, it'd him him now). The damage wasn't touched, the range wasn't touched. The recharge got hurt only if you're using it out of range, and even then, the damage from flame djinns was never the killer anyway; it was always Rodgorts that pulled the damage through.
 * So now I ask; with the only nerfs affecting this build being to Mind Blast and Rodgorts (neither one of them hurt too much, either; rodgorts damage, cast time, energy cost, and burning duration remained the same; and mind blast became not the single best energy management skill in the game for eles, but is still incredibly good), how much worse is this build really? I see the whole groupthink mentality where one person says "WHOOPS NERFED LOL" and everyone agrees without actually thinking how much the build has been hit.
 * I propose to un-archive this. Maybe remove GvG tags (as it was pretty much only a BYOB build anyway), but keep the rest. It's still fine. - Auron 08:14, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * "I see the whole groupthink mentality" Happens alot on PvX, heh. The duration nerf for Mystic Regen hurts more in the smaller areas, though, since you can't just fire-and-forget.  Might want to consider putting Healing Breeze on the main bar instead if the GvG tag is taken off. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  14:05, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Healing Breeze? Wtf?[[Image:ExtremeSigPic.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Extreme (contribs) 15:44, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It's comparable to Mystic Regen after the respective nerf and buff; if you're comparing them at 8 spec, HB has +7 unconditional on anyone (useful as a buffer against retarded teammates in RA) and MR has +3/6/9 only on self. The big downside to HB is the 1s cast, though. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas  18:00, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * But MRegen relies on a 2s and 3/4s cast enchants anyways, sooo...  20:40, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Water Varient
Wouldn't a water varient of this be much more effective as a ganker? Basically instead of gale and bflash you run steam and gust. Attributes would be changed slightly as well.I Heal If U Shutup 23:18, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You're forgetting that with that you have no pew pew spam(godly energy managment) and rodgorts(lol win vod). —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  14:53, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What are you talking about, yes you do? Also why was the name on this changed? Zuranthium 08:16, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

uh... what?
the build needs some tag... -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 12:21, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Runes
Are there any important fire magic break points at 15? If not would it be worthwhile dropping the major rune for a minor so that MB slips under spirit bond? Just a thought--118.90.110.172 14:45, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Used to be important, Mind Blast gave +9 at 15 before the update. <font color="#69c">—Tab <font color="#69c"> McPiplup  <font color="#69c">ツ  14:47, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Air magic points
There isn't a need for a minor air magic rune - Blinding Flash lasts 6 seconds at 8 and 9 air magic, and gale isn't dependant on points, as long as it's over 4. - Lordz


 * Weakness says hi. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 02:12, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Weaknessing a ele is useless and like nobudy would ever do that just to make sure you have a sec less of bflash ;/ —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:26, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Do people really run this?
This makes me almost want to unquit &mdash; Edru / QQ  09:30, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * This is a year out of date, it's been replaced with Shatterstone split eles now, which nobody runs. People run hexway "pressure balanced", rawrspike and a dual ranger split with a Bsurge. [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 10:42, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Necrosis
Go /N take MoR and Necrosis and spam Mind Blast -> Necrosis -> Mind Blast -> Necrosis... while other spells recharge. --Anonimous. 09:45, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * that made me lol :) just to clarify, necrosis is a pve only skill and this is a pvp split build (check name and tags and usage and talk...) !! Gringo 09:47, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Fuck people on this wiki are easily trolled. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 09:47, 20 January 2009 (EST)

-- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 09:52, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh no this is pvp thats why it has Healing Breeze and Air stuff I guess ... nevermind. Just to clarify Mind Blast activates Mark of Rodgort and applies Burn condition to fuel Necrosis. --Anonimous. 09:59, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Oh thank goodness you realised, you almost made a fool of yourself there. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 10:05, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * har har har. Gringo 10:08, 20 January 2009 (EST)