Archive talk:W/D Rending Touch Axe

Rip Enchantment

 * should be on the main bar now.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic
 * ...No. Rending has a quicker recharge and faster activation. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  17:57, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * i forgot rends recharge is 8.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic
 * But rip is ranged and has bleeding. You're not likely to spam Rend on recharge anyway with warriors' energy regen. [[image:klumpeetsignature.jpg|19px]] Klumpeet . ŧ . ¢ . 03:40, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree, Rip should be main bar, Ranged Enchantment Removal > Touch distance with 2 sec quicker recharge. / Fros  T  alk  \ 02:25, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Range doesn't matter much because you have to be in touch range anyway. ~ ĐONT * SYSOP  02:35, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Similarities?
I couldnt help but notice that this build, "Harrier's Axe" build, and "Disrupting Axe" all look quite similar. The first 4 slots on all 3 builds are Evisc, Executioner's Strike, Bull's Strike and an interrupt (disrupting dagger, distracting strike and disrupting chop). All have Frenzy, a movement stance (rush in two, harrier's haste in one) and a Rez Sig. It seems ridiculous that 7/8 slots are similar if not the same on 3 separate builds.--71.202.97.206 16:52, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
 * They shouldn't be merged. Period.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 16:53, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Its similar to a number of ranger builds (burning arrow, cripshot, BHA). They use a very similar set of skills, but the bar is used in a different way, and for a different purpose, so the builds have seperate pages. Lord of all tyria 16:54, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No... Unless there's some secret nuance that's hiding within these builds, they look exactly the same with the exception of natural healing on the W/D. I invite you to read the usage sections and see exactly how similar they are. It's not the same as the rangers, which had different elites, but these three builds have only minor skills separating them,which is ridiculous --71.202.97.206 03:15, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No... go take a look at how they're played on obs. They're different. Stop posting.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 07:14, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
 * That's it? "no, they're different"? I'm not going to shut up until you make me by either making a template build for these or *explain* to me how they're different in a convincing way.--Kickside 10:35, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Seeing as you appear to require your hand to be held through a step by step explanation, I will make a half-assed attempt at this. One of the builds has Rending Touch, one of them doesn't. THIS IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. One of them has a self heal, the other one doesn't. ANOTHER BIG DIFFERENCE. The final crucial difference is the use of an energy based stance instead of an adrenaline based stance. Harrier's Axe is designed to be more effective in a split where it is more survivable and it can split easier due to having an energy based IMS. Rending Axe rips things to pieces at the stand as it can take prot off targets to help build adrenaline or before a (somewhat telegraphed) spike. The usage is completely different so stfu please. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  10:45, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Dont patronize me, I'm not retarded and have been a loyal reader of GWiki and player of GW for years, don't even think you can tell me to stfu. First of all, how long did it take you to summarize the differences? I bet I could do it with three bullet points, in a template build, so I'm making the template. Thanks for your help! --Kickside 18:41, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
 * id lol, pve player who thinks he can gvg  Antiarchangel [[Image:Antiarchangel No U Sig.png|19px]] NO U  18:43, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh dear. There's gonna be big failure.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 18:46, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
 * But mah Triple Chop Warrior ownzzzzzzzz those gee vee geers. You guays r just sum bunch o nubs kklolz. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  18:49, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Pious haste?
LOL Dionyssios 08:02, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The build dates from before the change. Change it yourself next time. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 20:33, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Archive
I purpose a archive, as since SoR flagger nerf you don't need r-touch at all anymoar imo. Getting rid of guardian is stupid, as the recharge is so quick it will be on it again about a second after you removed it. Nobudy runs SoD monks anymore anyway. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  11:17, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol, i actually seriously was only looking at this page because i wanted to propose this. +1 for archiving. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 21:16, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

ups. Ill archive. W/N is way more popular.-- 11:12, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

A small change like this should just get updated in stead of archived+new build, but whatever. I guess people want their new builds vetted. – Ichigo 724  11:26, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well rip enchantment is metagame so it needs its own builds, and if people are wondering what was ran before they can search through archives basicly.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 11:28, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ups, you EC'd me with practically what I was going to say. / Fros  T  alk  \ 11:29, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol im sorry :P--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 11:30, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No point. The skills are for exactly the same thing. rtouch is still usable (didn't get nerfed or anthing), rip is just better. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 11:35, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Which is a valid reason for an archive.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 11:37, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Disagree. rtouch should still be in the variants of the rip build, as it functions fine. A variants &harr; main build swap shouldn't get an archive. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 11:40, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Touch range and doesnt cause bleeding and doesnt make you lose an enchantment.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 11:49, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Also doesn't scream INTERRUPT ME (even a W could easily interrupt it with 1s cast) and can be spammed more when needed (and that IS a valid argument, look at shock vs iron palm and the likes, we've had those discussions plenty). – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:12, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and cheers for removing the delete tag even though the author isn't supposed to. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:14, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The delete tag was removed because more than one person agrees that W/N deserves its own build regardless of which came first. Metagame > Time.  Thats why builds are archived.  R-touch fell out of meta nad adding rip into variants isnt really saying (HEY DID YOU KNOW RIP ENCHANTMENT IS BETTER THAN R-TOUCH) for the build is named rending touch axe and it is in the main bar.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:20, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * They have the exact same use. If the shockaxe was named "Executioner's Axe", but got switched to bodyblow, would it need archival? – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:22, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If its meta than yes. Which it is.  Thats why Body blow is in the Shockaxe build.  For example, /A with Disrupting dagger and /Me with Power Spike.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:23, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oho, but then why didn't the executioner's get archived? – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:29, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Because the author replace Executioners with Body Blow.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:33, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The author loses all rights anyway, anyone could have edited the rtouch axe anyway, in stead of making a new build. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:37, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Think of it like this. This build USED to be good.  Therefore it should be archived so viewers know what used to work.  By just editing this page, people now have to go through history and find this build AGAIN, which 90% of new users do not know how to do.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:40, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And you think somebody actually goes through the archived builds? Laugable. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:42, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Stop arguing. Rending Touch was widely used at one point, because it was put into a meta comprised solely of either Hexes, or eurospikes, and Rending Touch had no competition from Rip or Rend. Guilds ran one or sometimes two W/D's running this bar because Rending Touch was over-buffed. That's probably worth noting, and thus, the build got archived. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 12:43, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Thankyou Rapta.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:44, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's still retarded. It has the exact same purpose. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:54, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Every Eviscerate bar has that issue. This is no different.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:57, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (ec) User:Crossfirexiv, I'd suggest you stop making stupid comments when someone is looking for a semi-non-retarded response that actually tells them something.
 * And yes, they have the same purpose. Hence the archival, since it's only needed to have one article with that purpose in the main Build: namespace. The Rending Touch axe was common enough to warrant an archival. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:02, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Are you saying that Shockaxe is for ripping enchantments and pressuring? - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  12:59, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm still for a general eviscerate guide, but nobody else seems to like the idea. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 13:00, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Nope im saying that one skill difference usually deserves its own bar (depending on the situation and metagame shifts)--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 13:01, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Most people (including me) are in favour of having a general eviscerate guide. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:03, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)ups. Didnt guild of Deals make one?--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 13:04, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I wouldn't know, you'd have to ask him/her. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:05, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If not, I'll whip one up tomorrow or something. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 13:06, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

(EC):::::::Well, then we would have to delete every eviscerate build... which is stupid. Why not just have many W/whatever builds, Its easier for visiting users that want to quickly C/P the build they need.-- 13:07, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * What makes you think that? In fact, it's the opposite. Having a Guide: article allows for the existance of the general build template, while having as many W/X Build: pages as people want. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:08, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Geez it's just 1 skill. Paste the bar, fill in the one blank and spec the rest of your points into it's attribute. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  13:10, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If your guide is like that, then yes, it might end up like that. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:11, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)I disagree. I dont see a major problem with having more than one eviscerate bar.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 13:12, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Because basic bar usage with elaboration for the three main variants in one place would be better. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  13:15, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * So when users come to pvx and look for an Eviscerate bar in great working RA builds, where are they going to find your nifty guide?--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 13:17, 8 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Stop debating stupid things. Right now, what we have is a whole bunch of builds with different purposes in the Build: namespace. Sure, you can argue for the next year about whatever the hell you want done, but in the end, you'd have accomplished nothing. If you're going to argue about something like this, actually go and make the goddamn Guide: page before whining/yelling/crying here. This conversation is retarded. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:18, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I will, tomorrow. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 13:21, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Good to hear. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:25, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)You just set up the existing pages as redirects to the guide. Also, Ichigo said he'd do it later so there's no point in making it now. And who's whining, yelling, or crying? - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  13:21, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You tell me. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:22, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, don't. This discussion is dumb and will go nowhere. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:24, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

ichigo, it looks a lot better to the subjective observer that the wiki acknowledged a dead build and archived it, leaving it with the honor and siginificance it should be accorded. having to look through a page history to find one of the most monumental build wars build of 07 is bad, imo. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 19:37, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I lol'd at honor and significance, who gives a shit. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 20:24, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
 * People. this isnt a mens club, its a business. pvx gets lol'd a lot. to the subjective observer, for us to have (apparently) never recorded the w/d axe, looks stupid. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 14:22, 10 July 2008 (EDT)