Archive talk:A/E Raptor Killer HM

Discussion
Well discuss build here, leave any comments maybe variants or whatever. Build works, ive tried it so yeah. Try it out. Gogogo Ele sword overfarm!!! :P Rizbiz 04:37, 30 October 2007 (CET)

Nice, not a great deal different from the UW farmer so maybe a merge perhaps? Unreal Havoc  04:38, 30 October 2007 (CET)
 * Actually, my first inspiration was A/E Gloom farmer since i do that too. Im not too into solo UW farmin with A/E. And im fine with a merge if thats what yall decide :) Rizbiz 04:40, 30 October 2007 (CET)

Well I guess that's up to the community though seems we have a fair few of these now and all fairly similar with similar concepts in mind, something along those lines probably would be a good idea. Unreal Havoc  04:41, 30 October 2007 (CET)


 * I do this with 42 energy haha.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  20:10, 30 October 2007 (CET)
 * Well the lowest ive tried was 50 something but i just put in 60 to be safe. cause sometimes i cast the wrong spell or i cast MS without glyph of sac so i gotta redo. Im sure it works with 42. :) Glad it works for someone other than me :)) Rizbiz 20:24, 30 October 2007 (CET)

Plz expalin how can u have 60 energy with assassin? The highest i had was 25(base energy)+8 from radiant runes+12 from earth scroll+5from Totem Axe=50. U can switch to 15 energy +1 regen scroll, but thats still only 53.ChaosStein Aside from that i like the build very much, and im going to test it now :)


 * Well, I get 52 energy (37 energy with daggers equipped) with just a normal Insightful Staff of Fortitude running three runes on my radiant armour (Deadly, Shadow, Vigor) when I'm just running it as a standard Caster Spiker, if you add a +5 energy inscription to yor staff that gives you 57. Minus one of the runes from what I use to get equal to what the user suggests rune wise etc that would give you 59 energy. Don't forget you can add Radiant Insignias to all parts of your armour. Various Wand & Offhand combos can greatly increase your total energy if done right. I've had 61 energy on my Assassin before when I made it into an Air Magic Spiker, but I can't remember exactly how I did it. Might have been a bug, I dunno, lol. [[Image:UnrealHavocSig.jpg|19px]]Unreal Havoc  12:50, 1 November 2007 (CET)
 * I had asuran rank 4 i think so thats +8e, and then my focus was +12 (r9 fire) and 15/-1 so...i could end up with around 73 energy :) Rizbiz 20:03, 1 November 2007 (CET)
 * I can get up to 80 energy on my sin, muhahaha! :P --Arthas 01:33, 19 November 2007 (CET)
 * I currently have 93 energy on my sin... :)  --JIpock 09:40, December 7, 2007 (CET)

It doesnt matter, since it runs PERFECTLY with 50 energy xD.I tested it today, with 50 energy and it runs flawleslly.Great build, thank you soo much!ChaosStein

What do you do about Disrupting Stab? If i don't have SF up before i get into a group, seems like there is no way that I can get SF off without it being disrupted so I am unable to pull in big groups at one time..... Also is there any way to handle brood mother? Ravskau 00:00, 5 November 2007 (CET)
 * Well, if u watch my video, i use the flame djinn's speed buff of 33% to outrun their 25% so they(non boss groups) are a little behind and right before i aggro broodmother's group, i cast deadly paradox and then as SOON as i aggro and it says (Defeat ) i cast shadow form as neither of the groups should be that close to me and the .66 cast time if shadow form is enough time. You can use the a/e sliver boss farmer to kill broodmother sperately if you wish Rizbiz 21:06, 5 November 2007 (CET)

I have watched your video...Just seems if I can see a red dot on my radar...anywhere on my radar, they beat my shadow form....wonderin what I am missing? Ravskau 01:30, 8 November 2007 (CET)
 * I dont understand what you are trying to say? you always get ur SF interrupted? Rizbiz 04:15, 8 November 2007 (CET)

When ur about to aggro the Boss, hit Paradox, aggro her then IMIDEATLY use Shadow Form.Ull be ok ;) ChaosStein

Wouldnt Lava Font be better then Fire Storm ? Kiray

I've started to have problems with holding aggro so I've gone with the idea of 2 runs and the changing the build.

Any comment welcome but just remember this works for me. :)--86.140.21.195 10:08, 21 November 2007 (CET)
 * The only

Elemental Sword drop rate
I got req10 elemental sword today, after about 200 runs.
 * you counted the runs? :) Rizbiz 00:35, 12 November 2007 (CET)

No, i applied this forumla:XP after farm minus XP before run divided by 8000 :)BTW i got a req11 today after maybe 50-100 runs.I think we are seriously going to influence prices if we continue farming like this :D ChaosStein

Just got 3 swords in 2 days :D

Got an ele sword on my 3rd run. This build is wonderful Zefir 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET)

Got 3 swords in 2 days. req 12, req 13 and req 9. No wonder ele swords are dropping in price. better farm and sell these swords as soon as possible before they drop even more. --Arthas 22:52, 19 November 2007 (CET)
 * I am a bad, bad man lol. This is the next worst thing after the ecto price drop :PPP Rizbiz 07:44, 21 November 2007 (CET)
 * I have done about 650-700 raptor runs (yes i know im crazy :P) and so far i have got 8 elemental swords from this (got 2 ele swords in 3 minutes once). Pretty sure ANet is going to nerf this pretty soon. P.S good way to work on your wisdom title. --Arthas 22:42, 29 November 2007 (CET) (a.k.a Treasure Boy)

Another one..?
Archive:A/E Solo Green Farmer, Archive:A/E UW Farmer, Archive:A/E Gloom Farmer, Archive:A/E Elemental Sword Farmer, of which the uw farmer is the most similar one... - Y0_ ich_halt  14:07, 1 November 2007 (CET)
 * Never sayd i totally made it but the other builds are either: Not as fast, Dont let u pull full group, Dont kill everything or any combination of any. Again, i sayd the gloom build inspired me so i have no problem if you guys want to merge it with that :) Rizbiz 20:03, 1 November 2007 (CET)
 * i'd say we should merge all those to or something like that. - Y0_ ich_halt  20:45, 1 November 2007 (CET)
 * Well, maybe merge all fire based, and all earth based. That'll be better than squeezing em allRizbiz 22:32, 1 November 2007 (CET)
 * yes, the boss soloer deserves an own page ^^ - Y0_ ich_halt  23:26, 1 November 2007 (CET)
 * Yeah, that has way too much stuff to be merged. So yeah. Vote on the build first before merging it :) Rizbiz 02:09, 2 November 2007 (CET)

UGH why does everybody post these farming spots??? that place is gonna get nerfed in no time...
 * It wasn't blatently obvious that was a good farming spot or anything. — Skakid9090 03:01, 2 November 2007 (CET)

Because they want to share it with other people :) ChaosStein
 * Nerf it if you want, i got a r9 ele sword just today. So farm while u can lol. Rizbiz 23:05, 2 November 2007 (CET)

I herd mudkipz a/e geomancer was better. 19:16, 6 November 2007 (CET)
 * I would love to see the build. but i wouldnt think the damage output would be better.[EDIT] Please dont even say that its based on Sliver Armor. That is slower than anything Rizbiz 22:09, 6 November 2007 (CET)
 * wot is wrong with sliver? its meant to kill the boss:


 * picked it up off guru a while ago. idk how its supposes to work, or anything. i just though you guys might wanna see it.[[Image:Darksig.JPG]] 15:39, 7 November 2007 (CET)
 * Absolutely nothing wrong with sliver armor, yet for the cave, it is absolutely "phail" and will not kill more than 10 or 15 (havent tried so dont judge) but it absolutely wont kill all. I love farming bosses with sliver a/e but it just doesnt work here. 72.73.193.160 21:25, 7 November 2007 (CET)
 * your right, but here was the concept: you sliver the boss, after first casting teinai's. that way, boss goes down, sliver is up for long enough to own the rest(mor boost), and you'll be able to tenainai's again.[[Image:Darksig.JPG]] 17:58, 8 November 2007 (CET)
 * Maybe so, but this might need to be an ele with more energy. not sure though. I like my build, and it works :) Rizbiz 18:49, 8 November 2007 (CET)

If this is any use to anyone, I believe I've perfected the earth A/E build. I killed 29 raptors including the boss somewhere between 2:00 and 2:59 on my first try, 31 the second try. The spells need to be cast in that order. I usually do the run in two different pulls, first getting the S/E patrol, then going in and aggroing everything except three to five others. I use Galigord's Stone Scroll and a +5e 20% enchanting weapon. 75.121.28.137 21:35, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * well, well... if this build is applied properly, you can kill all monsters except for the boss in under a minute. just aggro them all, then waste them. Hoschi 18:52, 6 December 2007 (CET)

New Change
I made a real quicky change to the build, made one of the slots optional to be replaced with fire attunement or inferno. Read the optional in the build for the information Rizbiz 01:06, 23 November 2007 (CET)

Huge price drop
Thanks to this build we killed prices of theese swords :) Prices went hugelly down, so if u have any more swords, dump them asap.U might just get lucky and get like 45k for req10 or something.ChaosStein
 * Eventually Ele sword is gonna be, "Just Another Sword" :P. Rizbiz 05:25, 27 November 2007 (CET)

Well i just got 60K for a req 10 - coulda asked more tho i just wanted a quick sale.. it took me 240 runs to get the first sword then i got 3 more - 1 req 10, 2 req 11, 1 req 12 - done approx 340 runs now - exchanged fire attune for intensity - i have 72 energy so i dont need fire attune - means they all generally die in the same spot - cheers on the build--XistdedOne 06:41, 27 November 2007 (CET) I got 5 ele swords from this farm, the first one took longest to get.I got one req9, one req10 and three req10s.Sold req9 for 90k,req11 for 45k, traded req10 +20k for bone dragon, sold one req10 yesterday for 36k and i have one sword left :) ChaosStein

Deadly Paradox nerf
Now fifteen energy. Still viable? --71.229.204.25 03:31, 30 November 2007 (CET)
 * You can stil do the farm with attunement and if you got more than ~77-78 energy it should be possible with intensity (i'm just about getting r9 asura and then can test it)
 * Yeah, i would say if u got an ele, get him/her there instead and farm it like that. Should be easier. i was kinda pissed that they nerfed it also Rizbiz 22:06, 30 November 2007 (CET)
 * So, only the E/A version works? --71.229.204.25 22:08, 30 November 2007 (CET)
 * matter of timing. DA lasts 7 seconds, if you time it perfectly you can hit sf at 6s, but let's assume you wait 5s. that gets you 4/3*5 =~7 energy, so in total this build requires 8 more energy than prenerf. is that sufficient? - Y0_ ich_halt  22:16, 30 November 2007 (CET)
 * Yeah, i think its doable with about 80nrg. but use the fire attunement variant instead then. since that will work for a long time until they nerf SF. so just level your title to about 7 or 8 and u should be able to use inferno with no trouble. Rizbiz 05:33, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * Now tested it with r9 asura. I got 78 energy as an assassin and if I use DP 4 seconds before SF I'm able to do the whole chain (i'm using intensity in the place of optional skill (got r10 sunspear))
 * I am able to do it with Attunement with only 67 energy total (Thats including Asura Title r6 + Mind Clouder)EoD Itzl 08:17, 2 December 2007 (CET)

Im doing it with 61 energy.Works perfectly ChaosStein

try a dual run
well since solo in hm is affected by drop scale,take a dual partner,especially a boss farmer since the mob farmer cant kill rekoff-killing rekoff gives her drops and the damage reduction the nestlings recieve from her will be gone. have the boss farmer run in and kill rekoff then die after killing what they can,then the mob farmer comes in for a clearing and afterward die so u can both pick up drops,i actually recieve more and better drops this way than solo

Sounds like a good plan. The drops solo really kind of suck. 97.88.136.38 07:43, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Lol
I just bought a Caster Ele Sword, req 11, for 55k, lol. Devintomb1 +talk  15:49, 4 December 2007 (CET)
 * I love how now that same sword is worth 15kIcyFiftyFive 20:32, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Have they killed it
Is it just me noticing a distinct change in droprate of golds from raptors after the 6/12 update? --Arthas 13:21, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * shouldn't farm those for gold and stuff. go for them for events instead :) - Y0_ ich_halt  14:00, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * Ya i think the drop rates did change-im seeing an average of 100-300 runs for one ele sword drop, occasional lucky or unlucky people....but i think anet implemented a drop reduction to preserve ele sword value, ty anet XD finally they will be worth something again
 * I have seen the reduction in Drops as well. Right now I'm only trying to get Ales, but there HAVE been a nerf drop-wise. I did got an elemental sword after it though.

build sucks. hard.
runX: inturrupted. x=1-150. why diddnt someone realize the stupidity of a caster build to farm these without inturuption defense?
 * Seems you are the only one who can't manage to cast Shadow Form wihout being interrupted. Simply activate Deadly Paradox first then hit Shadow Form while still running. Is it that hard to understand really? To u maybe. Btw, sign your comments please. --Arthas 14:31, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * btw no account here. and, i do activate DP while runing. however, with the number of raptors in the cave theres allways one of them near enough to get to me and spamm disrupting dagger once i stop. -68.146.198.244-
 * Then you're doing it wrong. — Skakid  9090  19:24, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * It's as simple as that: You are doing it the wrong way. If this build doesn't work, explain to me how the hell i have been able to do more than 1,000 succesfull runs with this build? --Arthas 01:03, 10 December 2007 (CET)
 * I had a similar problem. I found my issue was running incorrectly. There are three main groups of raptors. One stays near the Broodmother, and the other two move around quite a bit. I wait for the group furtherest away from the brood mother to come close to the enterance, and then activate my Flame Djinn's Haste. By then, that group is following me and the second group is running towards the third group. This works nearly 95% of the time for me. Try this out and let us know if it helps.. The build doesn't suck, it takes a little practice. Jipock 16:22, 10 December 2007 (CET)

Equipment Location
As a way to help everyone to get the maximum amount of energy, here are two places to help you out.

1) Onkk in Bogroot Growths can provide a Fire Wand (Req 9) with +15 Energy / -1 Energy Regen for 5 Beetle Eggs. Onkk is located on the first level of the dungeon, but the eggs are dropped mid-way through level two by the beetles.

2) Jung Zeng who is located in the Shenzun Tunnels right outside of Maatu Keep has a +12 Energy / + 15 Energy / -1 Energy Regen Flame Artiface to trade for 5 Jade Bracelets. Jade Bracelets are a dime-a-dozen and is easy to trade for.

These two items, by themselves, can give you +42 Energy, in addition to your runes and Insignias. Combined with your Asuran Title, this can reach close to 100 Energy. Currenly, at level 6, I have 94 Energy on my build. Jipock 16:17, 10 December 2007 (CET)


 * Why use more energy than what is needed? Don't really see the point. An on the other hand, a Totem Axe is much more efficient than a fire wand because of the enchantment mod. --Arthas 23:40, 10 December 2007 (CET)
 * Because of bragging rights!!!! Seriously, I find it more comfortable to have tons of energy. I got burned a few times forgetting to use the Fire Attunement. With 94 energy, I no longer worry about energy management.. To each their own.. Congrats on the build, though. We really appreciate it!! Jipock 15:56, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * 94 energy is overkill, unless you're using my variant, which consumes 109 :) IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  20:26, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Air of Superiority
Been testing this skill a few times now and it works GREAT! I really recommend using it. 30 Raptors will guarantee a recharge of all skills and will heal to 100% health. Its much better than Inferno. --Arthas 23:25, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * I tried this out, but didn't find much benefit.. I guess it is because I'm just killing raptor nestlings. What is it that AOS is trying to bring you? Recharge of health / spells? It would be great if it added more Asura points to you. However, I find inferno kills them much more quickly, and thus, lets me do the run faster. Your Mileage May Vary... (YMMV) Jipock 15:35, 14 December 2007 (CET)
 * Its simple. Say you get 4 gold drops in one run and you see Shadow Form start blinking and get killed before you picked them all up. If you use AoS and recharge all skills, you can reactivate Shadow Form and pick up the loot without problem and thus saves ALOT of time since you don't have to get ressed and go back and pick it all up. Speaking of Inferno, it SUCKS. Inferno kill drops (not going to bother explain why, its just fact). Also, if you see a Locked Chest and have a lockpick in inventory, you can simple recast Shadow Form and go and get the Chest. --Arthas 01:53, 15 December 2007 (CET)
 * Thanks for the info... I'd love to hear more about Inferno and why it kills drops.. If you can't explain it, can you point me in the right direction to find out? I don't doubt you, I just want to learn more.. Thanks again for the build... I love it, and I have you to thank for all my gold drops and my 2 Elemental Swords.. Jipock 13:31, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Glyph of Concentration
you really don't need deadly paradox, if you die you can be patient enough wait for Shadow form to recarge get back there and get it, its not really that much time, so i would take Glyph of Concentration that will stop them interupting your shadow form. Actually thats what i do, much easier.

Does not work for me
Maybe it's just me, whenever any raptor gets to about 10% health they break agro. Plus, on the rare chances that i can kill the lot, i get 1-2 drops, and that's thanks to the glitch in loot scaling. worst farming place for me, but there are others. Thanks for sharing it with us though. cheers
 * Dont know what to tell u man, worked for the other 10,000 people that farm it...Rizbiz 01:57, 24 December 2007 (EST)

Patient my friend^^Drops usually sucks, but i got atleast one gold every 2nd, 3rd run,i don't count few ele swords i got,and about aggro issue i don't know what do tell you,you must be doing something wrong, waiting to long to cast..don't know, but build does work.

SAME HERE! for some reason they run away when they get to 10%

Dye?
I have in the last 10 runs gotten 1 ,purple, 1 red, 1green and 2 blacks.. can anyone confirm the drop rates of dyes here?
 * Confirmed. Dye drops everywhere.  HM dye drop rates seem higher than NM.  Any solo HM run seems to yield good dye drops. --67.32.36.230 16:11, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Because Dye is exempt from loot scaling, and you're killing 33 enemies every minute. <font color="#011000">IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  20:22, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

New version ele build
[build prof=eleme/anything waterm=12+1+3 firem=11+3 energy=6+3][glyph of swiftnes][mist form][glyph of sacrifice][meteor shower][bed of coals][fire storm][lava font][flame djinn's haste][/build] (I dont know of this build works 100%, but i use it to solo smites in UW) (This build can you use everywhere where are only attack monsters.) (A example ice trolls by droks.) When you want you can post this build on wiki ~
 * First use glyph of swiftness with mist form.
 * Then use flame djinn's haste and agro the mobs.
 * Wait till the next mist form.
 * Then cast the spells.

Disrupting Stab will own u. (wtf happened to signing?) ~
 * you left the pvxbig-tag open, it disbles signing. i put your signatures in nowiki-tags now, so it doesn't show up like i wrote this. - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 11:14, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Ok i understand it now but what do you think about the build? Eleterror 14:34, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * mist form doesn't protect from spells, so it's not really great... - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 14:50, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * There are no spell-casters in that cave, all there is are assassins.--ChrisRodrigues 14:12, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * This was my very beta of this build when i thought of it to have Mist form. However. Disrupting slab somehow goes through mist form. My idea is that although mistform protects you from damage, it doesnt protect from any effects that the attack might do, such if you were to be hit with eviscerate, u would still suffer from deep wound. (I know my sig thing doesnt work. too lazy to fix it) <font color="Green">R</tt>iz</tt>bi</tt>z</tt> 16:59, 24 January 2008 (EST)

NEW VERSION!!
Well, i came up with a new version of the build (slight modification) because i dont like farming on my ele that much. Didnt put it as the original build, but its in big bold beauty in the variants. Rock on! <font color="Green">R</tt>iz</tt>bi</tt>z</tt> 00:13, 26 January 2008 (EST)

I find the original Version + Intensity still works fine for me - i have rank 7 asuran (+12 energy)and may i ask since when have sins not been able to farm the cave? i have been farming it since day 1 with no probs ^^ --XistdedOne 10:30, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Nerfed?
well, ive just seen a dazilion of people moaning about it getting nerfed, but i dont get wuts wrong with it now, so mebbe someone can tell me? I'm confused :/ --<font color="Purple">I</tt>go</tt>r</tt> 19:10, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Flame Djinn's Haste got nerfed from 33% to 25%. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 19:54, 15 February 2008 (EST)

tbh it was about time for a nerf :/ Farmerfez 20:11, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Ye its been nerfed cuz Flame Djinn's Haste has gone from 33%speed to 25% speed, so u get killed be4 collecting a group of all the enemies. It sucks!
 * Use mindbender. <font color="Green">r</tt>iz</tt>bi</tt>z<tt></tt> 01:21, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * That was SO unnecessary. -- Arthas 12:59, 16 February 2008 (EST)

wuz it liek, the best farm spot in GW or what? --<font color="Purple"><tt>I</tt>g<tt>o</tt>r<tt></tt> 20:14, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * yup. it's a full cave of lvl 25 (in hm) melee enemies who can't do anything but block and interrupt. - <tt>Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 09:49, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I think i might have Un-nerfed it! Switch Flame Djinns haste for shadow of haste,and youll keep at high health because of the half damage!
 * Shadow Of Haste - ...Half damage? also is 15% Speed Buff.. I think you mean Dark Escape. 82.26.142.182 06:59, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, I've found siphon speed is alright, if you dont have high asura rank. Drop one SA, put it in DA, and have a +1 rune. Works good for me.82.26.142.182 07:10, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Siphon means you have only 32 enemies to kill, baaaddd!!! <font color="#011000">IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  20:20, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Mindbender Variant
Should be the main bar since Flame Djinn's Haste as a IMS is no invalid.--Relyk 21:30, 28 February 2008 (EST)


 * Finnally fixed the main bar, someone not lazy fix the usage since its kinda distorted now. thx :) <font color="Green"><tt>r</tt>i<tt>z</tt>b<tt>i</tt>z<tt></tt> 17:27, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Dark Escape
DE works with this too, just use Glyph of Sac, then Dark Escape, aggro everything, and hit Shadow Form right before Glyph of Sac ends. Kamer (Talk|Contributions) 21:21, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Rubber Banding
In all honesty, I think that "Counter" is redundant. I'd say irrelevant, but it can happen. However, the number ONE thing you should know whenever you're running through enemies, or just running in general, is DO NOT STRAFE! I've tested this countless times, and I've seen many Droks runner fail because they strafe.. Although you see your character moving in a diagonal line, when you strafe you're actually moving in a straight line. For example, Walking forward and strafing to the right means you're walking let's say 2 paces forward, one right, 2 forward, and so on. The reason people get stuck and "rubber band" is because in between that "2 forward, one right...", they were caught, and although they still think they're moving, they get stuck. Thus, I think that note is extraneous and should be removed. --ChrisRodrigues 13:40, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Agreed, but I don't wanna remove it just yet, wait for some more feedback. <font color="#011000">IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  20:19, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Big rewrite
I rewrote the whole thing, since it still had reference to skills no longer on the bar like Deadly Paradox, and often repeated or contradicted itself (probably due to multiple people editing). I removed the (now unneeded) Deadly Arts attribute, added back Fire Attunement (So you don't need a nuclear generator worth of energy), added Phoenix (may be controversial, however if you cast the chain without any weird delay the raptors will get knocked down by a meteor when you're casting it and won't escape. The damage will be high enough to kill them JUST as they want to start escaping the AoE, and all the drops will be close). Any questions? Objections? Poki 20:40, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Fair enough man, thx. Saved me the hastle xD [[Image:Rizbiz's Sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Green"><tt>r</tt>i<tt>z</tt>b<tt>i</tt>z<tt></tt> 22:51, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Glad you like my edit, being the original author and all :P &#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Poki/Sig}} 00:55, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Videos and their descriptions
OK, I don't want to revert that again soo... I think everyone knows that YouTube doesn't have the best quality in the world. Apparently, they're trying to fix that because a lot of newly uploaded videos also have a high quality version, but that's beside the point. Writing the website name is a bit pointless because the link also has it. Are people clicking links without looking at them? Pity. Great for beginners? Not really, because: a) Normal Mode (I'm going to say it: This build doesn't work in normal mode.) b) He's using the post-nerf FDH c) He's loosing aggro like mad d) Intentional death? e) Using Shadow Form like that (raptors will interrupt you and you'll be dead. Great for a beginner!) f) Using deadly paradox and thinking it will make Shadow Form recharge faster after he used it. (lol) I think that's most of the flaws in that video. (Another thing is me wanting to remove all of those videos, but we would need 1 or 2 with the new build before we do that.) &#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Poki/Sig}} 21:45, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
 * ...Deadly Paradox makes it so you cast shadow form faster...not so it recharges faster...o.OBluerask 01:52, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * And he used it after he'd already used Shadow Form <font color="#011000">IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  20:18, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Type of damage
Do the nestlings deal piercing or slashing damage? 80.201.39.139 09:29, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * probably slashing. [[Image:Rizbiz's Sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Green"><tt>r</tt>i<tt>z</tt>b<tt>i</tt>z<tt></tt> 12:19, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It is slashing <font color="#011000">IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  20:17, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

What works for me
-GoS makes sure SF gets throu the interrupts and FAST

-GoLE for damage

-Meteor Shower becouse it has high-damage per wave and will couple with..

-Intensity, it will finish casting RIGHT before the first wave of Meteor Shower, doing the increased % damage.

-Lava Font for the same reason as Meteor Shower, also, becouse it's adjacent and they will still be adjecent

-Frozen Burst, if you managed to get the spells off fast, by the time you cast this, they should start running, or should have barely started running

-Flame Burst, becouse by now, they are NOT near you, they are "nearby" thus in the area for this spell to kick in

By now if evreythign went right, all the raptors you aggroed should be loot-sprinklers. If you still have energy, you can try another Lava Font now to be sure you get whatever is left that escaped the frozen burst or came back late.

With a bit of luck and nice aggroing, you chould actually survive the Shadow Form drop :)--Cosmo 16:32, 4 May 2008 (EDT)