Build talk:A/D Focus of Hanaku Farmer

Moved to great
This build works perfectly, according to the guy that asked me for an assassin farm build and to myself. As long as you follow the instructions (don't fight when there is a ranger), you can't fail. I know it's a fairly new page, but barely anyone bothers to vote on pages, and since it's a relevant farm (20/20 dom focus), people shhould be made aware of it, because nobody looks at testing. ZStepmother (talk) 10:42, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get on at some point and do a run so I can feel confident in a vote for it. I've set this to provisional-great for now (even though technically that still needs 2 votes) since 1 vote placing any build is suspect. -Toraen (talk) 11:31, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You'll just have to trust my word for now I guess. It's just an adaptation of the Dervish build (VoSilence), which works perfectly fine. I guess I could ask the guy I made the build for to come and vote, but I think you need to make an account for that (which not everyone is willing to do). I just feel like a lot of good builds get lost in "Testing" because nobody bothers to vote on them, unless specifically asked to do so. I didn't know about the wrong tag, so thanks for fixing those (on the other builds aswel) ZStepmother (talk) 12:04, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Changing the threshold for provisional builds to just one vote is a dangerous undertaking. The vote system is PvX's way of assuring quality, which is why the level of required votes for a solid rating, which was temporarily lowered to 3, has been reset to 5 with a few exceptions that allow for 4 votes to suffice. For battling the low activity that's been an issue for years provisional ratings which just require two votes have been installed and right now I'd say that it's better to keep this system than to basically allow any user to submit a build as great right away. Because that's what one-vote ratings mean, given build page authors are allowed and encouraged to vote themselves. You may suggest to restrict this action to a limited set of users, which are known to be knowledgeable about the game. This would be the return of the Build Master Policy with slightly changed parameters. Even with the low activity we've decided last year that this wasn't a step to be taken. Nowadays it'd essentially mean to remove community based ratings and replace them with the opinion of few people. Such a drastic change would require a lot of arguments in its favour to justify changing core principles of this community project – by making it, per policy, a small crew's personal playground. If not going for the build master approach, one may suggest that a build which has a video demonstrating how well it works can be moved to a quality category without at least a second vote. This would introduce additional problems. First of all, we'd end up arguing whether the video is reliably depicting the build or whether it's just that one lucky run in ten attempts. Verification requires testing, which would likely suffice for a vote itself. This'd mean that anyone can submit a build as great and it'll stay there unless someone with enough time and resources can be bothered to do a fact check. That's not a vision I find desirable. Even if people can agree whether a video is depicting a build properly, people can have very different opinions on whether it means the build is good or great. For example, when I saw that cleansing Zen Daijun took you almost 30 minutes I considered that a quite long time for this quest, whereas you gave the build a 5/5 (and it's not barred I won't do the same at some point). Would you, for example, approve of the idea of adding this team to the build namespace and giving it a 5/5 rating just because there are videos of it dealing with hard mode titan quests very well no matter the party size? I wouldn't. But, if we allow videos as a justification for one-vote ratings, we give them such a great weight that we could, if we stay with the 105hp team example, claim that based on the video another person's rating of just 3/0 would be invalid. In my opinion that's a road we shouldn't travel too far on. Provisional ratings already are a working concession that's much less troublesome, going below two votes could seriously damage PvX. Videos should keep their current standing: Allow users to see how a build works, how it's used and what to expect from it. Not more, but neither much less. --Krschkr (talk) 02:03, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Since the person I "created" this build for was kind enough to create an account and vote, Ill be moving this back. The video was to show how it's done, I've tested it multiple times myself, and like I said, it's impossible to fail if you follow my steps. My zen daijun video was never meant to be a speedrun, I just wanted to show people how you can do it safely. I have many more videos to back up the vote I gave it (you can spot some of them at the standardized testing), but that's something different entirely. I just find it annoying that sometimes actual decent builds get lost in the testing space, because nobody bothers to vote on them. I forget to look at them most of the time actually. Anyway, the second vote is here, so problem solved. ZStepmother (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to submit a second or even first vote for builds in testing to help with this issue. --Krschkr (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)