Archive talk:Mo/any LS Arena Monk

go go go this build is pro. Drahgal Meir 03:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought pvx decided that LS sucks in arenas? [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 03:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they are wrong. Drahgal Meir 03:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Or bad. Probably the second one. Drahgal Meir 03:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * They decided that a sin autoattacking you will rape you.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 03:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * lolguardian? Drahgal Meir 03:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)TBH w/ all the high-powered eles around (RtL, MB, the occasional MS), LS would be quite good. Take veil + SoA/SH imo. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 03:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You will run out of energy without divine spirit. Drahgal Meir 04:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * LS is bad in arenas. If it's counterpart, RoF, wasn't bad in arenas, then ZB would be much more meta than WoH. With such a bad att spread and only 1 hard prot, you're just plain fucked. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 06:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it really isn't. Drahgal Meir 06:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * life sheath doesnt make red bars go up--Relyk 06:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * LS is just bad on arenas,normal shattering sin could beat u up easly making u run out of energy on casting Guardian which is removed after 1 sec.--Ninjas Koshima 11:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Since when are people playing shattering sins again? All the nubs run either Wastrelspike or Palmstrike.-- Under Gunned  14:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That fact is, LS is on average about a 60 point heal including divine favor. In HA and GvG, people are carrying big fucking damage, so you'll probably top out a RoF or LS if you time it right. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 16:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * go ask Readem if you think this build doesn't have enough healing. Drahgal Meir 16:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I really don't give a shit what Readem thinks, tbh. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 18:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * think what you want. Just because its harder than WoH doesn't mean its inferior. Drahgal Meir 18:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're gonna run a bad elite, at least take something like BLight or PnH. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 18:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not a bad elite. Drahgal Meir 19:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

hi! Life Sheath is perfectly viable! The point of running LS is so that you don't have to bring FF! It works by negation, as opposed to healing, and is thus vastly more difficult! It all depends upon your team build. Here is my bar:

--Readem 02:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This bar is a lot easier though because it has more healing. Even though that one has an extra spot for self defense. Drahgal Meir 02:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * i ran LS a couple of times, but well... as was stated before you just cant keep up the heals over time if the fight isnt over quickly. you got dwaynas kiss, PS and vigorous for redbaring, but all together you waste too much energy on overall mediocre heals, just so you got superior condition removal. i agree that you can run LS for te lulz in TA when you can build up your team build apropriately, but in general there is no good reason to run it over ZB/WoH. [[Image:Aclawwhichisformysignaturetomakemehappy.jpeg|19px]] Looks like Breitschleif 10:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * LS means you can't be a terribad monk and powerheal through everything. yet if you're a good monk that can prot and emanagement properly ls is just as viable as woh, and in some situations and teams superior 00:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * oh and readem no guardian is brave 00:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Guardian gets dshotted even versus terrible rangers, and isn't particarly necessary, just abuse Return or Sbash). -- Frosty  Mc Admin  00:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Or you could abuse SB so you don't get your guardian d shot. Drahgal Meir 02:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I liek the derv version of this [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  20:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

No guardian on any monk build is muther-phuxxing terrible. Mainbar Guardian and quit being bad. LS is also Prot Prayers so a 40/40 for guardian/LS is in order. --BlazingBurdy 17:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No? Its in the optionals. Drahgal Meir 17:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How's your math? Optional =/= Main bar. Guardian = Main bar! Got that? --BlazingBurdy 20:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Guardian doesn't need to be mainbarr'ed Drahgal Meir 21:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, and warriors don't need weapons. Casters don't need spells. Babies don't need their diapers changed. YOU have a brain! --BlazingBurdy 21:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Decent necros rip/CE/defile guardian [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  22:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the best variant in the current meta. Dolyak to counter KD warriors, MB ele's with Meteor, etc.. Bonetti's because over half the damage source in RA comes from melee/ranged attackers. VS for healing over time and LS/Patient to clean and heal your team members. LS > WoH because Dismiss alone (in WoH templates) isn't enough to take care of cover conditions and draw doesn't cut the cake as a stand-alone condition removal (MUST be paired with mending touch) and means -1 slot for Mending Touch. I'd rather compress both the cost and functionality of draw/m.touch than to try healing through dw's with WoH and lose all that healing anyway. I mean, what do ya'll think? --BlazingBurdy 23:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The only condition you "need" to remove is dazed, deep wound, and blind. Crippled is the quazi one here as sometimes you can ignore it completely and sometimes its an immediate must be removed.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also removes degen pressures and prevents spikes. Put it like this: I beat several E/Me MBlasters training me with meteor repeatedly (with NO auxiliary healing from allies AT ALL), made air spikers's spikes look useless, do away with most ranger poison pressure, etc., etc.. I hop on any other profession and I watch even the high-ranked 4v4ers WoHing me to death in a failed attempt at saving me through dw/poison/bleeding toppled onto me. So, ihmo LS > WoH in this current meta tbh. --BlazingBurdy 04:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * eles use meteor after a monk uses dolyak signet?--Relyk 06:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * RA + people fucktarded enough to be unable to count. Brandnew 07:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This build just isn't good unless it's in a specific teambuild, aka TA. In RA, you will be better off running draw conditions/mend touch if you really need that much condition removal. LS spam and the fact that you can't choose your teammates outside of syncing isn't going to effectively red bar the amount of shitty unbalance in RA. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]uɐɟ ɐʞıd  o ^_^ o  ¸ « ` 09:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

This build is better than WoH at redbarring when faced with melee/ranger duo's with dw+poison, 1-2 hexfag teams and even ele spike teams. Additionally, WoH/Dismiss = 3/4 cast times, making them subject to rupt'ing (if 40/40 fails to speed 'em up). LS/Patient combo both removes dw+cover condition and allows patient spirit to achieve it's full benefit. Sometimes dw gets sneaked in right after you casted PS on an ally, 1/4 LS = dw gone = 100+ hp restored = FTW any1? --BlazingBurdy 16:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Additionally, WoH/Dismiss = 3/4 cast times, making them subject to rupt'ing (if 40/40 fails to speed 'em up). Coming from the person arguing to main bar guardian. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  17:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd rather they rupt guardian and not my main heals (LS/PS). Guardian (while totally ruptible/removable) can still save others and is the only and most viable non-elite source of blocking to date. LS/PS makes ends meets with quick-acting condition-removal+healing/protting. I've try both WoH and LS, and can safely say that LS has served me much better than WoH in this meta (mainly because we're in a condition-infested meta). Weakness (armor o sanctity), bleeding (jagged strike), poison (from condition rangers this meta), burning/spiking from Mind[less]blast Distortion Ele's, and so on... BlazingBurdy 23:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Bring a necro with Foul Feast, gogo. This is tagged for TA anyways, a RoF-like-effect isn't that effective in RA. Tbh if you can't heal efficiently with WoH I'll just conclude that you're a horrible healer, though in TA you need spikecatchers. -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you wanted condition control, Mel's Resilience Boonprot would be <--so much better->. The amount of red bar you achieve just spamming draw is amazing, which beats this build by a far shot. LS isn't good in RA because if you come up against dual rangers, they are just going to spread poison around, then you run out of energy trying to LS everything. I think the last time I got woh dshotted in RA was more than 3 months ago, if you are getting it dshotted on a regular basis, maybe you shouldn't monk at all because it would be you are pretty terrible at it.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 11:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, LS to remove burning from mblast eles is the dumbest thing I ever heard. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 11:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Stopping burning helps stop their dps and prevents damage from one of their next 1-2-3-4 attacks (how's that stupid?). I get WoH dshotted even through Guardian, not that guardian or WoH are bad, but're too slow compared to LS/Patient... and so much dw+(cover) in 4v4 makes WoH heal for less, and makes LS that much more desirable to me. The point of monking in 4v4 [to me] is to keep your allies as clean and protected as possible all the way up to your last energy point [exhausting you 30e high set]. If you haven't, THEN is when I consider to have monked "baedly".. [yes, not badly.. but baedly.. 4 @ll j00 grammar nerdz..] WoH imho gets countered far easier than the LS template. But hey, I say the sky is blue and you all come trolling at me, talkin' 'bout it's red [wearing irremovable "red-lens" glasses]. gg! --BlazingBurdy 13:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Mainbar Guardian in RA, Vig Spirit is mostly TA anyway, when you know people are bringing spams (Rangers, MB, ...) <font face="Verdana" color="maroon" size="1">14:09, 21 August 2009  (edit: didn't see the TA tag, thought it was RA)

I don't know who pika guy is, but you sound pretty fucking terrible. Why would you waste life sheath on bleeding and poison? What do you use vig spirit for? Large packets of damage? Anyways, fun build ^o^ --<font color="Black">Readem 03:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea. I also dshot frenzy and infuse my teammates ONLY when they're at 1 health point. Neat, huh? --BlazingBurdy 05:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * you need to stop trolling this page--Relyk 06:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to /wrists, bleed to death and come back as yet another emo with a knife born to his hand. Rip yourself out of your mom's womb this time, k? BlazingBurdy 04:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That was stupid. Trollfight in 321 -- -Ch  ao  s-   06:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I suffer from a PvX-induced condition known as the "Loaded Gun" Complex. You phux wiff me? I cock it and pull it! I'll go down swingin'; I assure you! --BlazingBurdy 23:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Energy
I love the build, but energy looks REALLY tight on this Kurotou Shadestryke 23:07, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * It is, and doesn't pack powerheals to get through damage. RoF and LS are generally sketchy sources of protection in RA 50% of the time as well. What this can cope well against though is heavy condition or hex pressure.--<font color ="Blue">Ikimono <font color ="Brown"> "...And my axe!" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 00:11, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * This still works fine. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 00:13, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer PnH in arenas [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  00:23, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

remove readem's vote imo (not personal). when you could build your team around it it was ok, but in RA you don't have the luxury, and its just not effective enough to be 5-5. Gringo 02:29, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * A good deal of my point. TA is gone, most of the votes are outdated.--<font color ="Blue">Ikimono <font color ="Brown"> "...And my axe!" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 03:47, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * TA lives, just like Elvis and Kennedy. This is just a conspiracy by ANet. I suspect that they let only a few select guilds play TA, so I will be infiltrating [zulu] to find out. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 09:20, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Shhhh!!! Don't tell them about the fact that you unlock TA by getting back to back 25 win streaks in RA!!! The "NOOBS" will get in!!! Kurotou Shadestryke 21:49, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * You must mean Muffin ;o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 11:10, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * No wai you can get into TA with 25 win STreaks? Im gona try that right now! (as in never) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  21:48, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

How exactly does this works?
I'm quite a good monk for sure, but quite failed to run that bar. How exactly do you win with this and get 25 streaks like my friend?.Also, I think that taking 1 defensive skill and switching 1 for a prot (shielding hands / SoA) would be better seeing as your defensive skills can't protect your party while prots can. Dino Dave 15:21, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spread Vigorous on foes below max health, redbar with Patient/Rejuv and LS big damage skills and deep wound. Cure Hex for redbarrrrrring a'la hexes, I can't see your problem here. Spam Patient, always Rejuv before anything else, don't spam Life Sheath all too much ;o Rejuv and Vigorous should take care of light pressure while keeping your energy high. -- Chaos  -- 15:34, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * you probably aren't that good then if you cant win with LS -- <font color="DarkBlue">Ang <font color="DarkBlue">el <font color="DarkBlue">us 15:28, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should I take your comment seriously? I get quite a few 25 runs if you take into account I don't play RA that much while playing with WoH.Dino Dave 15:38, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rule of thumb: Don't take it seriously. I, however, for one am always serious. -- Chaos  -- 15:39, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * then stick to WoH if you're good at it. protting takes a little more skill than healing does. you have to be able to follow their frontline and guardian people at the right times to minimize damage and put LS to good use. it takes some time to get used to, but LS works very well if you're a decent prot. -- <font color="DarkBlue">Ang <font color="DarkBlue">el <font color="DarkBlue">us 15:41, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

You run Guardian with LS? any specific bar? since I don't like the wiki version because it has no prots except for LS. Reason I started to run LS was because I want to improve and not because I didn't like WoH, it's good but LS is more effective which is why I asked for hints.Dino Dave 16:00, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, guardian should be on your bar. I don't know why it isn't on the mainbar. I don't think I've ever run a standard monk (no matter if it's PnH,LS,WoH etc.) without guardian on my bar. It's a staple and should ALWAYS be brought. -- <font color="DarkBlue">Ang <font color="DarkBlue">el <font color="DarkBlue">us 16:06, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * not necessarily. its just your preference. guardian is good but its not always necessary for monks. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 16:08, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * i dont know how you could ever "leave home without it." unless of course you bring some other kind of block. -- <font color="DarkBlue">Ang <font color="DarkBlue">el <font color="DarkBlue">us 16:09, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * hmm maybe like, oh i dont know, a block stance? .... &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 16:11, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * thats what i said. "unless you bring another block." -- <font color="DarkBlue">Ang <font color="DarkBlue">el <font color="DarkBlue">us 16:15, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

enjoy. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 16:04, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Mesmers will eat you alive, Diversion,Shame, Backfire and VoR are extremely common, I'm also not sure if Divine Spirit is needed that much. Can I see your bar Angelus ;p?(I know the player is the one who makes the play and not the build, but it still has a small impact)Dino Dave 16:12, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * mesmers will always eat you alive, thats just a common counter to a monk. nothing you can really do about it other than pre-veil yourself and cure hex as much as possible. and cancel-cast so you dont get p-blocked (although p-block is less common in RA). -- <font color="DarkBlue">Ang <font color="DarkBlue">el <font color="DarkBlue">us 16:15, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

the upper bar does not have veil, which is what I was talking about. veil helps quite abit tbhDino Dave 16:18, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter as much when you just deny the cover hex too. -- Chaos  -- 16:33, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

You can't deny shame / diversion can you?. also, how do you intend to use Bonneties when you need to switch sets for when you cast Guardian?(doesn't switching slow down attack speed quite abit?)Dino Dave 16:34, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Bonetti's doesn't care about weapon? Just camp out Shame/Diversion, it shouldn't be all too bad. And Rejuv through Shame ;o -- Chaos  -- 16:40, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I know it doesn't care, but I heard being in defensive set when not casting is good.Is it more effective to run Dspirit and Deny or Cure+Veil then? Dspirit is better Emanage and Cure is better redbar.Dino Dave 16:44, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * its all preference, mod it how you like. can someone teach this kid to indent please. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 18:28, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I linked it on his page but he ignored it. Dave, please read through PvXwiki:Indenting. -- Chaos  -- 18:52, February 4, 2010 (UTC)