Archive talk:Me/E Fast Cast Earth

fast casting earth ele weeeey -- Frosty  16:51, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * ?? Dutchess of Rose aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:51, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Seems okay if your willing to loose your secondary. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:56, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * And please write up builds before posting them I am getting sick of seeing a skill bar everytime I see a new build posted... -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:57, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Well i would if i could find some build to copy the stuff from. Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 17:06, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Just click on the little Signet of Capture picture near the sign button on the edit page and it gives you a full build template. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 17:09, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Unsteady Ground ownz way too much to miss out on. 192.87.100.66 04:12, 5 January 2009 (EST)

This needs a better write up.  Ricky vantof  04:51, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * My primary attribute! [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]Frosty  po!  11:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Go 12earth, 10 FC, and 8 inspir and add some better e-management. Mesmers don't have e-storage to pull off that big of a chain. Plus, pdrain and drain enchant are nice in pvp. Karate Jesus  11:45, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * What chain?  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  11:48, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * (ec)dont need it, and in HA matches are longish (10 mins in later maps) estorage doesn't really mean much, having a pool of energy to dip out of is nice in quicker games. attune + gole is enuf. also, its not a chain, you dont just stack everything on someone cuz then youve got a killer recharge to wait for..  -- Gringo TALK 16:49, 5 January 2009 (EST) 
 * Ye, what you do is you cast UG, wait till it ends then cast Erup, your backline stays inside the AoE and are pretty much invincible against melee.  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  11:53, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ah, my bad. I didn't mean "chain". But I get what you're going for now. Nvm. Karate Jesus  11:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Actually; if you're not completly bad you should use unsteady and eruption to catch spikes with, or just general annoyance(5 secs after unsteady eruption is so obvious for interupting). While unsteady and eruption are great AoE skills, they should be used defensive untill altar matches(where you do train them). —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  15:47, 14 January 2009 (EST)

WELL
Is that really a good reason to WELL? OK, heroes can interrupt anything but FC still helps and it helps a lot against people. Plus, you don't always need utility, and you can always take some mesmer interrupts/enchantment removals yourself. Imo this is less flexible, but still good (especially since FC doesn't just protect you from interrupts, but lets you get stuff off in time to save lives and things). 86.26.63.60 11:45, 8 February 2009 (EST)


 * It has the necessary HA utilities through Grasping and waf, which means someone else won't be speccing into earth. It's not like someone would run both grasping, waf and mh/SoC. -- -Ch ao s-   13:32, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * Uh, they would run weapon of warding or haste. Running neither for no reason is dumb. Like I said, the entire reason you're mes primary is to avoid interrupts - you still get interrupted because most of the interruption is done by heroes. So when you look at reality, you're still being interrupted like eles are except you aren't providing the additional utility of eles. It's a lose-lose situation. When a build is hands down worse in every way compared to another build that does the same thing, it gets well tagged. - Auron 02:32, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * its pretty stupid to well a build because it gets interupted by heroes, u might aswell just well every FC build on wiki. --Undead paragon 11:43, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * This one is only tagged for HA though, where people just about always use heroes for interrupts. -- Toraen  (Talk  /  Contrib)  11:47, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * you might as well every caster build for that reason. Currently Tease heros are fucking up ALL of HA.--66.192.104.10 11:58, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * I wouldn't say fucking up, as all AoE is op in HA. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 12:01, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * Anon, the difference is that this build is made for a purpose it doesn't fulfill. -- -Ch ao s-   12:03, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * The build sacrifices the beneficial Paragon or Ritualist secondary skills for Fast Casting, but the Fast Casting doesn't achieve anything here. Even against players your best skills are still 1s casts which are easy to hit with Mesmer interrupts like Tease. You're better off keeping the Ritualist and Paragon skills and accepting the fact that your Earth spells will get Teased. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 12:05, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * its not for aoe spells. its for waf/grasping ..LJ..  12:06, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, eles have 40/40 sets too bro. Grasping and foes are *still* going to be interrupted if a hero is locked onto you. For the other 50% of the time, you want to be able to be effective - this mesmer would just sit there doing nothing.
 * Not to mention energy problems. Unspecced glyph lesser blows chunks when you're trying to get eruptions off and they get interrupted. That's 15e burnt with no attune refund - which basically puts you out of commission for a good while, seeing as the rest of the skills are expensive too. Eles can basically cover the entire cost of eruption between 16 gole and 8 attune - even a successful cast on this mesmer would leave him down quite a bit. Mesmers can't spam them as often even in the best conditions, and when relic runs get fierce, that's what you want - constant ward foes impeding progress. If your energy is zero from a single interrupt, your build is pretty trash. And then add in the lack of warding or haste or song or any utility whatsoever... and you have a build that gets well tagged. - Auron 12:25, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * yea ive tried running multiple FC builds and always run out of energy because of no energy managment skills exept gole. ==Undead paragon 08:15, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * you shouldn't tbh ..LJ..  11:57, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * run a mesmer with earth* - Auron 12:00, 10 February 2009 (EST)

You say run 40/40 with earth ele, but does 40/40 on this not help even more? 40/40 on 1 second cast is quite quick tbh? ..LJ.. 12:42, 10 February 2009 (EST)


 * Tease doesn't care. -- -Ch ao s-   12:48, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * tease doesn't actually hit everything. i've dodged a few tbh ..LJ..  14:37, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * Now that is really impressive. -- -Ch ao s-   14:42, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * no, they hit most times, but not all. watch for it ..LJ..  14:49, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Remove
WELL tag. Introduction of IWAY meta means heroes aren't everywhere, and the whoel point is to drop other utility to make sure you can snare without rupts. ..LJ.. 14:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Luke is actually right for once. The current IWAY is all about spamming interrupts until things are shut down enough to wipe. FC prevents most of these interrupts and allows you to shut down and get away from battle raged warriors. Without WaFoes and Eruption up you'll have no defense. In terms of defense against heroes, this still has a lot. Fast casting, good positioning, and well timed casts will DRAMATICALLY reduce the amount of times you are interrupted. it also prevents most interrupts against rspike and heroes while snaring relic runners. tl;dr : fast cast snare is good in this meta. 66.55.143.198 16:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

"only take this if u want to give up ur secundary utility" by infested. So you gain lots of "defence" against interrupts, and can take CoF or pdrain for rupting as utility, and have waf and grasping. errr? ..LJ.. 18:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)