Archive talk:D/any Zealous Dervish


 * Bumps* Rickyvantof 02:23, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Bump more. Rickyvantof 07:59, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * And now without minor edit. Rickyvantof 07:59, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Wastes an elite. Dervs can hit the two attacks under the effects of Lyssa or something. -Shen 08:38, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, but they can't spam them to infinity... Rickyvantof 13:14, 24 February 2008 (EST)

I thinck the build is fine im just not sure about Protectors Strike i whould use Wild Blow instead of it because the critical hit you make whit this build whould then result in a huge amount of DMG.bloodhearts 10:01, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * True, but 1/2 activation time is awesome.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 10:06, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Agree maybe its something to put in variants? bloodhearts 10:11, 15 March 2008 (EDT)(wild blow tho ;P)
 * It's already in variants! :)  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 10:12, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

PvXjing's vote
How does higher armor and a speed boost make you deal more damage? Note that AoHM changes damage type to Holy, just like AoB. Rickyvantof 17:13, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Mods
~15^Enchanted is better, since you plan to keep up Zealous Vow 100% of the time. ~Pretty much no point in a zealous weapon as you'll usually have one normal attack between all the skills' recharge times. IcyFiftyFive 13:24, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * What do you mean? Zealous effects also trigger with attack skills.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:27, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Bar
+ imo. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 13:29, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * You forgot PvE skills. Or did you mean that for AB/CM/RA? --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  14:42, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Sucks that Pious Assault can remove your key enchantment if you're not paying attention. And it lost its 3/4 activation time, which makes it even worse. It's a viable build for PvP though.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 02:29, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
 * PvE skills not needed. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 17:05, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Aura of Holy Might is too good to be passed up. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 17:47, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
 * AoHM is probably one of the best PvE skills (not counting ether nightmare/cry of pain <3). Adds TONS of damage, which is Holy damage aswell. With a build such as this, based on spamming attacks, it's very powerful.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 03:32, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

zealous
Dosnt a zealous mod stack with this so you would only need 12 wind with a zealous and you can kepp your runes for scythe mastery.. probably worth mentioning The Golden Arrow 07:13, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Then you would have -5 energy regeneration, so -1 overall. This would not be good. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  07:20, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Zealous is almost always worth it, actually. You can stick that in the Variants if you like, though whether you'll get more DPS by going 14 Scythe with zealous or 13 Scythe with vampiric is questionable. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  12:44, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Bump
come on pepople vote on this The Golden Arrow 20:21, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Extra Variants
I use a similar build to this on my dervish, and I think radiant scythe or chilling victory can replace protector's strike as another variant. I use either one as an added spike, one for aoe or one for single target. Phantom89 20:17, 7 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Protector's Strike > Anything else, due to 1/2 activation time.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 03:50, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

For spamming, Onslaught lets you use attack skills more often. Using Lyssa's Assault+Victorious Sweep+Mystic Sweep with Onslaught, AoHM, and IAtS creates a much higher DPS than this build while managing energy just as efficiently. Also, why eremite's attack and protector's strike? They deal crap damage compared to things like Victorious Sweep, Lyssa's Assault, and basically any other scythe mastery attack. What's so great about them activating quickly? There's a pause after the attack, so they don't increase your DPS. Joo 02:02, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

They kill faster with AoHM active. With three quick sweeps, you can spike 3 heavy hits in under 5 seconds, and all of those sweeps recharge for a short time. Phantom89 13:11, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

onoz
my attacks hit 1/4s slower in PvE! -- Mafaraxas 22:56, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

If it actually does become a problem, we still have radiant scythe and chilling victory for power hits. =) Phantom89 00:21, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * TBH I don't really see this being a big problem. Not like you're spiking or whatever, so speed doesn't really matter. We could always add Whirlwing Charge, of course.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 03:12, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * And... it's a temporary update. Gets reverted May 1st. Why the heck are people tagging anything? So we can archive everything, then unarchive it? Seems kinda stupid to me. Wait and see what the long term changes are. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  04:25, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * ARGGH! Change the site notice plx lol. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  04:27, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Suggestions
I suggest you don't Use this if you aren't an experianced dervish because it can be hard to handle if you are new to The Dervish class.
 * It has spammer in its name... How tough can it be?  10:04, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It's basically just: Press 6 when entering an area, press 7, 1 and 2 before attacking, once attacking press 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 6, 5, 3, 4, 5, 2, 3, 4, 5 and you won GW.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:47, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Four PvE skills
Sorry but has anyone else noticed this build has four PvE skills in it?? --Reject o&#39; EMP 12:18, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * fixed. you can fix shit like that on your own, you know.  (res sig instead of sunspear rebirth obv.) -- Mafaraxas  ( talk  &bull;  contribs ) 14:53, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah yeah alright, I didn't think it was my place too that's all, not my build =| --Reject o&#39; EMP 16:59, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't worry about it; noone "owns" builds and you should be bold with editing. If you screw things up royally, it's easy enough to fix. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk  &bull;  contribs ) 17:19, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

update buff
the latest up date (Aug. 7th)

Zealous Vow: increased Energy gained per hit to 1..7; decreased to -3 Energy degeneration.

now we can use zealous weapons and not worry about having a negative regen. with Zealous its set at zero regen.

Also with 12 WM attr. you gain 6 energy with an attack
 * Who needs a Zealous weapon anyway? XD Go for bigger domage, tbh. ــмıкε  нaшк  09:49, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
 * and why wouldn't you just weapon switch when you weren't hitting things? but yeah, update gogogo.-- reason ' . ' decrystallized    In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys.  23:47, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The Wind Prayers rune has no effect on the main bar because ZV gives 6 energy at both 12 and 13 att... unless I'm mistaken...Crassus 12:42, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

GDW
Would be win, and u dont need that much mysticism unless ur using heart of fury-- R  e l y k 21:07, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * GDW is only target other ally. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 22:35, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * 2 of these. I  is   * Je b us * [[image:IAmJebussig3.jpg|19px]]   Enter my contest! 23:54, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * then make a team build. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 00:33, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Put under variants. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:37, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

?
Yesterday, I replaced protector's strike with Wild Blow. It has the same energy cost, alot more damage, and only 2.5 times the recharge. The bar is still spammable, and there aren't any andrealine skills, so it's fine to use. I use a modified version of this, and I find the ability to remove Whirling Defense and other stances, alot better than a conditional +10 damage. 78.146.45.86 14:13, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Protector's Strike is better because it has an activation time of half-a second, as opposed to roughly 2 seconds of wild blow. Also if you take wild blow you can't take Save Yourselves, which sucks.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 14:30, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wild Blow is already in the variants. Like he said, it's for the activation time. You really don't need SY for most pve though, tbh. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 14:32, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * you really don't need a bar for most pve, tbh.-- reason ' . ' decrystallized   I frenzy-healsig.  15:35, 24 December 2008 (EST)
 * You give pve a bad name tbh--Relyk 16:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

IMO
Change Wind Prayers from 12+2 to 11+1 for the +5e breakpoint and throw the rest in Myst or something. You really don't gain much for the major rune, since +6 energy per hit is still hella energy management, and 12-18 is... well, yeah. If no one objects, I will change it. --Jaigoda 05:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Umm
Danny, more energy != energy management. Lyssa won't be able to keep up with this.  Life  20:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, think about it, more energy means you will be able to last the duration of the fight (which isn't energy management, but has a similiar effect). Just use zealous with AoL. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]Frosty  the Admin 20:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But then you waste time from mob to mob trying to recover energy. Just put Lyssa with the other avatar build.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 20:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Zealous Renewwwwwwwaaaaaaaaalllll tbh. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  20:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ups. I forgot to make a note of that. sec. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  20:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Variant of Zealous Renewal intead of SY if you can't manage energy, IMO. In fact, you've already used all 3 PvE skills with SY, so you have to replace it with a regular skill to use Eternal Aura anyway. -- Jai Goes Monksassin Monksassin-icon.png 20:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad Votes
Could someone please remove them? It's bugging me that this isn't in Great. Mafaraxas' vote is outdated (merge with AoL build), and Brandnew's is just baed (5-6 energy per hit is much more than 1 per hit). -- Jai Goes Monksassin  06:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Maf. Whiners rule teh internetz tbh. -- Jai Goes Monksassin Monksassin-icon.png 01:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Conviction
It is maintainable at 6 Earth Prayers. So why not? I will put it to variants if no one objects.-Raja 23:06, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, works I guess. added to variants. --[[Image:Jaigoda_endrant.jpg|/rant]]  Jai  writes a  lot . . . 02:37, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Damage
What is an average hit for this build? 75.157.47.232 18:43, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * You should get an average of 100 DPS when spamming attacks Tyrael [[Image:Life Sheath.jpg|19px]]  Undead!  21:35, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

wounding strike
added this elite because its >>> over the other suggestions. - <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Athrun <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Feya - 18:10, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now it's just Archive:D/any General PvE Dervish ... --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 18:45, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops. Well before it was pretty close to Archive:D/any General PvE Avatar, revert and WELL/archive? - <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Athrun <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Feya - 18:49, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I say mainbar the Zealous Vow/Chilling Victory version. Spaggage  talk  18:58, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * ZV version was better than lyssa anyway, kick wounding strike this is not Archive:D/any General PvE Dervish <font color="Black" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Tyrael [[Image:Primal Rage.jpg|19px]] <font color="Red"> Meow  22:20, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Stealin my sig xD-- <font color="black" size="2px">Ajsnuker  [[Image:File-Ajsnukerprage.jpg|19px]] 02:49, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed <font color="Black" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Tyrael [[Image:Heal as One.jpg|19px]] <font color="Red"> Meow  11:45, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * ty, but now vincent uses prage too O_O-- <font color="black" size="2px">Ajsnuker  [[Image:File-Ajsnukerprage.jpg|19px]] 22:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Chilling Victory
Why is this on the bar?

Protector's Strike is the best logical choice for the 3rd attack. The optional choices should list Frenzy and maybe Zealous Sweep (in case of strips).

AoHM's slot should also be made optional. AoHM should really only be used in h/h, otherwise you don't want your damage to be converted to holy. In this case, EBSoH is the best choice.

Chilling Victory, no Protector's Strike on mainbar, and no mention of Frenzy/EBSoH really screws up what is otherwise the best Derv build you could run in PvE.--<font color="Red">Arrogant  Bastard  23:50, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

chilling victory is there for the LOL PVE damage and cause you can afford it. Eremites/Mystic are just standard dervish skills. stop bitching--Bluetapeboy 23:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Chilling Victory's Cold damage obviously doesn't ignore armor; it isn't worth running in PvE. ــѕт.  мıкε  00:04, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Bitching? Chilling Victory sucks and should be replaced by Protector's Strike (instead of it being a variant). ATM, it's basically a waste of a skills slot and makes a good build look shitty.--<font color="Red">Arrogant Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg Bastard  00:15, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * your name explains everything. but i changed it. now will you stop bitching?--Bluetapeboy 01:05, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * nvm, i changed it back. Protector's strike is in the varients, btw.--Bluetapeboy 01:07, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * This name is the name of my favorite beer. No reason for you to insult me, especially when I'm right.
 * And I know it's a variant. That's the problem, it should be the mainbar, while Chilling Victory shouldn't be used at all.--<font color="Red">Arrogant Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg Bastard  01:44, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

ill mainbar it and put chilling in the variants, kk?--Bluetapeboy 02:01, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Isn't the extra damage the only cold damage from it? The hit itself should be like any other scythe attack. Cuilan 02:52, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

IAS and IMS bonuses
maybe add skills like Frenzy, Whirling Charge, Enchanted/Lyssa's/Harriers Haste etc. to variants <font face="Broadway"> Dead falk  09:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Added Frenzy and Whirling Charge. Others are mehhh. Cuilan 02:58, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Signet of Mystic Speed? Free IMS (IAS seems unnecessary), stacks with Conviction (Drunken Master doesnt). Potatosoup 01:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Vow of Strength?
Im not a very experienced GW player but I kinda know my stuff and I was thinking that VoS under the right circumstances could be crazy good but I know its tough to get a party that deals no condition so maybe put it in a side note?--74.107.152.69 17:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a Zealous Vow build, which means the elite is supposed to be Zealous Vow. Also, VoS sucks. If you want to, you can write up a VoS build, and we can make bets on how many hours it takes for it to get WELL'd and deleted. -- Jai  16:36, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Update
Build has been updated to something that is workable. Zealous Vow is probably inferior now since you have Zealous Renewal/Radiant Scythe and better elites to access, specifically Onslaught. It worked well enough for spamming so we'll see-- Relyk  talk  22:40, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like it uses ZV for anything special. Would need to find chunkier spells. Cuilan 23:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

R.I.P. my beloved Zealous Derv, R.I.P. Q.Q <font face="Broadway" color="#663854">Deadfalk  19:10, 24 March 2011 (UTC)