Archive talk:D/W Zealous Vow Hero

Breakpoints for ZV are 7 wind for 4 energy and 9wind for 5 energy, u might aswell kick the +1 rune for more healthCloseImpact Pet Whale  06:36, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * orite, forgot Chilling Victory is still in scythe for pve. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 15:43, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Putting pointless profanities in the build description doesn't actually make you look cool. Tycn 06:52, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Nor does commenting on them. -- The preceding srsly srs comment was added by Itokaru   06:55, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * As opposed to... commenting on commenting on them? Tycn 07:10, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hey guys, I'm cool anyways. I promise. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 15:41, 26 December 2008 (EST)

On a more serious note, heroes can't seem to chain 3/4 attacks so a better damage skill may be in order. But then again, I never experienced any real energy problems on a hero dervish (even with AoM, Zealous Renewal seemed to be enough). Tycn 07:19, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * main advantage here is there's nearly no maintenance involved. and i always found zealous renewal a little bulky on heroes. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 15:41, 26 December 2008 (EST)

That's what I run. And it works fine. -- 08:48, 26 December 2008 (EST)

dervs are for deepwound. needs more manlyness, although it does handle its energy well for once Unɖɩđđɭɘş —ɱƈŖęąḻḻƴƿʃooƿʂ    20:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Zealous Renewal is non-elite, and works just as well.  Ŀ¥ЅЅΔΝ ● 55!  11:44, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * You can't mindlessly and constantly spam attacks with Zealous Renewal. You can take Zealous Vow and mindlessly spam attack skills practically every single second. You take Mystic Sweep, Eremite's Attack, and Protector's Strike and that's endless quick attacks every attack. -- 11:46, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wait, why Protector's Strike when it's not a primary Warrior? Wouldn't it only do +10 damage since the build has 0 in Strength? --68.32.187.152 09:23, 3 January 2009 (EST)
 * Because it has a quick activation, and having practically the fastest IAS by having every attack activate in 3/4's of a second is pretty awesome. -- 09:27, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Heros dont use flail well. U dont even need an ias anyways-- Christmas Relyk  15:36, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * cool stuff. kahmu thanks you. melonni however was sent to the camps. MOX was turned into spare parts ƃuoן sı [[Image:Escape.jpg|19px]] ʇɐɔƃuoן 20:59, 28 December 2008 (EST)

What do you mean, superior? - Star Seeker  09:15, 1 January 2009 (EST)

zzz
fueling mystic sweep is good. conviction is bad. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 16:37, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah conviction should be replaced with an enchantment. An ias could help. [[Image:19px-Spell_Breaker.jpg‎ ]]Ebolax 22:09, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Id put in victorious sweep, does good damage and heal is nicer than the armor--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  22:12, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * You want as many quick attacks as possible to make up for no IAS. And 94 armor on a Derv isn't bad at all. -- 10:01, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Rapta, it's the debate all over again >.< -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 10:25, 3 January 2009 (EST)

You take enchantments for their own usage. Not to "fuel Mystic Sweep", which is an extremely dumb idea. Chances are your party has some enchantments flying around to bump up Mystic Sweep anyways. There will be especially many if you're squishy with low AL. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 15:25, 3 January 2009 (EST)
 * tbh conviction is useless since u should be using an imbagon--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  23:05, 4 January 2009 (EST)
 * bad reasoning, there's more than one profession in the game. Conviction is useless because everything should be blowing up. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 00:06, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Until they allow heroes to bring SY, don't assume your average player has 24/7 access to an imbagon.--66.252.176.74 16:25, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * The same is said for Faithful Intervention, using that logic. Conviction is better overall. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:00, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Imo
ditch Earth Prayers and Conviction for Mysticism and Heart of Fury. An IAS (and Mysticism) would allow for so much more Energy gain and damage. You could drop Wind Prayers from to 8+1, too. Something like 11+1+1 Scythe Mastery, 11+1 Mysticism and 8+1 Wind Prayers. This way, you can also gain energy from Orders ending. ــѕт. мıкε  14:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with this--67.49.177.183 00:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Distracting Strike?
Why that and not Distracting Blow? Distracting blow recharges faster, and does AoE interrupt, while distracting strike is only better when used with the very uncommon CA...--El_Nazgir 12:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * noone updated it after the nerf. fix the build yourself or get the fuck out of pvx. --Mafaraxas 14:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maf tells someone else to update the build but can't do it himself? :< ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  15:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * the point is to encourage people other than the 10 active users to edit pages, rather than just complaining on talk pages. --Mafaraxas 15:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is PvX, not an positive, contributing community. ups. /wave ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  16:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, lol. I heard that the PvX mentality was bad, but I didn't think it would be this bad.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 17:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hearing people make obvious suggestions and then not bother to fix something gets old. Changing a skill is a very difficult process, or so you'd think. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  17:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever. Oh, and Mafaraxas, there never was a nerf for that skill... It's never been changed.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 18:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it used to deal damage. It was a seriously amazing spike skill :> Brandnew 18:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I must admit I missed that, but even then, it's been about 3 and a half months since that change, and it's only just been featured. It also got updated on the same day as the update happened. You'd think that people actually look at builds before it get's featured...--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 18:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * your making an issue out of something that is very insignificant--Relyk 06:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Not really, I'm making an issue of the fact that the first thing that someone says to me when I notice something is basically "Fuck you, go away". Not exactly a good mentality if you ask me.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 11:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't say "fuck you, go away." I said "if you can't be bothered to fix something obvious yourself, fuck you, go away." --Mafaraxas 13:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fuck you go away :> Amorality 13:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OP could have not realized there was something he'd missed with the skill, you can tell someone to do something without biting their head off. RT  16:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't an entirely obvious skill, then maybe. Otherwise, you are no. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  17:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Loved it
man it should be on great category it worked pretty well for me. i tried it on M.O.X onnorth kryta province while in HM and it worked pretty well. And hey if you liked this build you might wanna check the. Great general/hero build for dervish :D

Vow of Piety
Today I was fooling around, trying to fit Vow of Piety on any bars that I could think of. This is one of the best candidates. Here's what I found reliable and useful:

Scythe 14, Wind 13 (bp for VoP), Myst 3. FYI, the best synergy would come from Lyssa's Haste, because:
 * fast expiry, faster than 20 sec recharge
 * provides IMS to a melee build that doesn't have one
 * the health loss is countered by the regen from VoP
 * provides energy when the target is moving; the perfect companion to Zealous Vow which gives a lot of energy when standing and hitting, but just takes away 3 pips when moving

And then it turned out that the AI doesn't use Lyssa's Haste. Ever. I reckon that since no mob has it, no AI routines exist for it. What a bummer. -- Endrosz 10:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * just use conviction--Relyk 09:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

dervish update
with the whole dervish update, this may be completely outdated. would need an update to deal with adrenaline as well.76.103.11.142 23:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * for energy gain just use meditation, eremite's zeal, or the non elite version of this zealous renewal or whatever it was called in mysticism... hell even the scythe attack zealous sweep which also gives adren >.> 98.134.15.147 18:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be quite frank with you, since the dervish update it's pretty clear energy management as an elite isn't all that readily required, given skills such as Radiant Scythe. This build is obsolete. 128.119.156.172 16:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)