Archive talk:Team - EP Spike

A lot of the stuff is up to your choice (like the duo cracked armor). Any idea why the finals aren't on obs?--TahiriVeila 16:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Surprised i didnt see chest thumper.--GWPirate 17:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I know in the final cake ran incoming. Frostels 18:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Plus Word runner, but it was Frozen. --Liability 18:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It was kinda sad how often they were getting spike kills at stand vs. mojo II for a while, it was like one every six seconds-ish :| &mdash;  Scythe   3:30, 20 Dec 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, it's pretty OP. someone write it up.--TahiriVeila 17:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * What about the attributes on the A/P caller, is one less spear mastery worth it for +8 armor rating and +1 second Fall Back and +1 second incoming?--GWPirate 18:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It was definitely either 7 or 8 command that was run (Fall Back gave 10 health/sec), and there's no 3-way spec that gives 7 command and not 8 for this (assuming 14 crit since DA lost 4 energy per removal). Toraen -Gifts Plz [[image:ToraenSig3.png|19px]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * What about 12-9-9?--GWPirate 18:50, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Incoming gave 12hp/s in the Final, i think the incoming variant has 11-10-10--GWPirate 18:53, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

FROSTY: "wtf everyone runs shatter lol." Cake ran Unnatural in the finale?--GWPirate 18:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * They did but shatter is generally acknowledged as superior.--TahiriVeila 18:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not in spike build right? Because Mind Wrack would give away your spike.--GWPirate 18:50, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You maintain mind wrack on the monks as much as possible. You're basically using it on recharge--TahiriVeila 18:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * IMO Unnatural Signet because it extra spike mobility-possibilty--GWPirate 19:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * They actually had both Shatter Delusions and Unnatural Signet in the finale. I'm pretty sure they dropped Diversion. Toraen -Gifts Plz [[image:ToraenSig3.png|19px]] 00:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is what happened. &mdash; Scythe   2:23, 21 Dec 2010 (UTC)

AP Spike 2010
Is a stupid name, aren't most AP spikes from this year? -- Brandnew. 22:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * IT is a stupid name, I just cba thinking of a better one. Feel free to move it.--TahiriVeila 17:19, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Update
Ouch,my glyph of sacrifice -.-. What can we do about it? I think Glyph of Essence is still an option. Low energy set(and you already have another use for your spear). However,Double Dragon has changed too and it is not working with this build that has no melee. So I think we have to rework fire ele,fit somewhere fire attunement and test it. For my opinion,move to trial. Triss 09:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok,so. Glyph of Essence will take your energy anyways,so changing Phoenix for Fireball seems better for me,because initial effect of it can feint the target of the spike. Glowing Gaze with AoE buring to recover from energy after spike. Shock  Arrow too. Also take a look,that Invoke bar actually have 2 high costing spells so it has synergy in some kind with Glyph of Essence. Also,I think we could lower Energy Storage to level where on low energy set energy will be like 35-40. With Glyph of Essence all that bonus energy from Energy Storage gonna be wasted however. Just a few ideas. Please discuss. Triss 11:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd let the build lie, restore it to the state post invoke nerf, and archive it. + on the reasons I'd have glyph of sacrifice nerf, invoke nerf, double dragon nerf. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  10:13, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's why I changed DD for newly buffed Mind Burn. It can be Mind Blast for energy too. Also,Invoke is still good spell with low exhaustion and nice damage. I can't think of any replacement here,cause Mind Shock is already there and other air elites are like meh. Triss 10:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Changed to Mind Blast. It's good energy recover and it allows you to bring meteor with useful KD. Triss 11:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * this might bring some flames but, how about glimmering mark? 96.15.193.45 18:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope,Glimmering Mark is damage over time. We need spike damage. Invoke is still good spell,just do not overspam it. Triss 19:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Siding with Jai on this, restore to before the Glyph update, and archive unless it's actually run again (With whatever changes). It was essentially a meta build, the update killedspecifically targetted it, so it may as well be stored as such. PewPew   QQ   16:56, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Late Night Fuck-Ups and Reasoning
Sorry about that, when I archived this I swore that Glyph of Essence was fucked up. When I read the above section I presumed when they meant "glph" I thought they meant was mainbarred currently. As it is, Glyph of Essence is a really horrible skill to use over Glyph of Sac. Using all those moderate/high costly skills with a glyph that steals all your energy after is really bad. If nobody mind's, I am going to do what Pew said, "restore to before the Glyph update, and archive it unless it;s actually run again." I have yet to see this being ran in obs which makes me conclude this build is done. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   14:15, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The whole point is how to use Glyph of Essence to work good ;). You are camping your low energy set with energy storage really low to have around 30 energy and then spike: 30 energy cost,you had got around 35? :). But I think that it is too complicated and better restore->archive. We will see when I will have more time. Triss 14:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd have to actually check how much energy would be lost (which I am willing to do later today), but if you're trying to conserve ~30 energy with a low energy set (which, the set itself, is normal to have) from that glyph, that seems to be way to much work or even feasible when you're not even spiking. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 14:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)