Archive talk:W/any Cleave PvE Soldier's Stance Warrior

some one needs to vote so we can put this in great Alpha fireborn 20:34, 1 August 2007 (CEST)
 * nvm :). Alpha fireborn 20:46, 1 August 2007 (CEST)

Needs Whirlwind Attack. Shido 18:34, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Done. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:45, 3 August 2007 (CEST)

Added 3 points of srength as dumpstat, no reason not to. --Ckal Ktak 13:02, 4 August 2007 (CEST)

i tot that low adren skills somehow suck in that they don't return adren or something? i remember someone said high adren skills are better just due to high adren. maybe im just remembering nonexistent things Echo Ftw 03:49, 1 September 2007 (CEST)

Hmm, what is the point of executioner's strike in this build? The elite doesn't have a recharge, does almost as much damage and costs only half the adrenaline.
 * executioners strike is in there for an aditional high dmg skill.it charges slower, but is adittional dps. Alpha fireborn 20:34, 15 September 2007 (CEST)
 * yes, but for 8 adrenaline you can use cleave twice (+29 damage x2, so +58), or use executioner's strike once (+38). It seems to me that one gets higher DPS using cleave only. What am I missing?
 * When you use an adrenaline skill, it drains all adrenaline from that skill, but only takes away 1 strike of adrenaline from every other skill. This is how you have adrenaline spikes using multiple adrenal skills without having to recharge each skill from nothing. Clonestar 10:00, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Ahh, got ya. Thanks for the heads up. ^.^

how can somebody run an axe build without disrupting chop? There's no need for such high tactics reliance in this build either. a more split str/tactics build would work nearly as well, especially for those who don't have nightfall. Dolyak, endure, and sprint come to mind. This build is just two random parts of a warrior thrown togeather. High tactics combo of soldiers + watch yourself + heal sig with a random sampling of axe skills. --192.251.13.62 23:00, 20 September 2007 (CEST)
 * You do know it's PvE right? [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 23:05, 20 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Ok, so the fact that it's a random splattering of 4x axe skills (one of which is elite) that could be replaced with any other four or even a completely different weapon type is irrelevant? --192.251.13.62 01:05, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

This should be 14 tactics and 13 axe, not the other way around. 14 tactics gives a 1 second longer duration to soldier's defense AND watch yourself as well as 2 more armor and a bigger healing signet. It's not going to effect your DPS much and it seems the tactics side of this build is more useful anyway.--192.251.13.62 17:41, 28 September 2007 (CEST)

Maybe instead of Exicutioners soldiers strike? same damage (at same stats in axe mastery and tactics) and is easily spamable! I know it would drain your energy in conjunction with cyclone axe but its just a thought and it wont stop you spamming cleave.

how badly does the "Watch yourself!" nerf hurt this build?

Wow, wouldn't have sugested that such a 0-8-15 Build could be that good :P 87.177.237.67 15:23, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Wouldn't it be nice to add For Great Justice! In only 2 hits, you get Cleave, and one more hit, and you get Dismember. Also more useful for spamming Watch Yourself! Adriaanz 17:24, 25 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I've been using "For Great Justice!" on a build similar to this for a while, even before it was buffed, and it's quite effective. Takes a little energy away from Cyclone, but nothing you wont notice, unless you're under the effect of Quicksand or some other energy denial. In fact, I'll add a note to that effect. Knight Of Zaros 16:00, 3 November 2007 (CET)

Just wondering what would be better for Hero usage Executioner's Strike or Disrupting Chop? what do you guys think 121.45.196.101 07:01, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Why no Minor Strength rune?--War Pig5 22:26, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * because 10 hp > 1% AP &mdash; Skakid  22:27, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * I didn't catch that because the Rune of Vitae was not mentioned in equipment. Added it. Also moved some optional skills out of the Variants and Notes sections to the optional skills section (and vice-versa), and put the #1 optional skill on the bar to the right of "watch yourself" which needs to be activated first before SD does anything. The hero tag justifies this change in my mind.--War Pig5 14:13, 18 January 2008 (EST)


 * Am I the only one wondering why this build is in the "Great" category? Executioner's Strike in a build that offers no increase in adrenaline gains outside of Cyclone Axe (which is dubious)? Healing Signet in PvE? No IAS? I can see how this build might be used to tank large numbers of melee mobs (with Soldier's Defense and Cyclone Axe), but not used for general PvE. I don't think I've seen a build with lower DPS. It has less functionality than my W/Any Enduring Swordmaster, and that got deleted for being poo. So this is "Great", huh? Astralphoenix777 00:20, 1 February 2008 (EST)


 * Fix it then. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  00:28, 1 February 2008 (EST)


 * I agree. this build needs a way to get adreneline faster since it uses executioners strike and other adrenal skills.
 * Let's add Frenzy. ▪  √ēт   [no :D u]  20:20, 4 February 2008 (EST)
 * Both Adrenaline and IAS are addressed in the optional skills and variants. People probably voted this great because @13 Str, DPS of Axe>Sword, and this is currently the best axe build we have. If your testing shows that some other skills work better than these, then feel free to put those skills on the bar and put the current bar skills in the variants.--War Pig5 04:13, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Nerf
"Watch Yourself" is nerfed. Silence 04:33, 7 March 2008 (EST)
 * "Watch Yourself" is nerfed was murdered in its bed and then sodomized with a broken wine bottle.
 * FTFY. --71.229 05:34, 7 March 2008 (EST)


 * So this build is rendered useless unless you have a paragon in the party. Silence 09:27, 7 March 2008 (EST)
 * Basically. Needs a rewrite. --71.229.204.25 02:30, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Since this build is PvE, does the buff to WY! make it good enough to be uharchived? I would say so, but I still have problems with this build. Benjammn311 16:40, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Paragon Based Teams
This build is still VERY capable if included as a frontliner for paragon based teams. aka 6-7 paragons, 1-2 frontliners.--71.67.243.230 15:48, 16 July 2008 (EDT)