User talk:Soi Sticker/dom

First.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  07:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Expand argument, list Ineptitude and Energy Surge bars, stop labeling it dom and illusion as those are vague terms, heavy balling is a made up term, less white space, stupid conclusion. don't list facts, because those are your interpretations of discussion and should be in the advantages and disadvantages.-- Relyk 02:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I could add my list of arguments as well, but I am not doing that this instant, just because I do not have enough time right now Shadow  Computer coded  07:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, Rask, you're banned from the discussion until a consensus is made with non-trolls. thxSoi Sticker 08:19, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you can't do that and you are in fact basically encouraging him to post on this page. You could try asking nicely and/or ignoring him, but banning him from discussion isn't going to work. Also, your point about Deep Wound not stacking is mostly invalid unless you are only killing one target during the time it takes for Accumulated Pain to recharge, which I would like to submit, is pretty bad. A new misery  08:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Already tried asking nicely, see the discussion in rask/complain. And on Accumulated Pain; generally you focus on 2-3 targets in a mob and the rest die from untargeted AoE damage; Accumulated firstly requires 2 hexes to trigger DW, and the hexes you have trigger too quickly. One is perfect, you can DW your focus target and then spam faster-recharging damage skills. Also, almost all casters use Finish Him, and melee have Deep Wound generally.Soi Sticker 08:38, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but you are comparing these in vacuum, so including other sources of deep wound seems a bit herp derp. Sort your logic. It is going to have to be flawless in order to convince people who have disagreed with you from the start. If Accumulated Pain is so bad, never triggers and you already have other sources of deep wound why are you taking any copies of it at all? Sort your logic, this whole page is currently so many butterfly farts.
 * Also, was "If you can't come up with real proof as to why dual illu>dual dom, I'm going to have to refer you to a butthurt form. Sorry." your attempt to ask him to kindly refrain from discussing this issue further? Ok. A new misery  08:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that's after he started to be childish; so I bit the hook. He's rather proud of that fact. Soi Sticker 22:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * @ mis, I got the feeling Accumulated Pain was there for the 75 damage, with the deep wound just being bacon. I also feel an important advantage of energy surge is that its 5 energy as opposed to 10, which means that the domination bar would be a better platform for bringing "Fall Back!" on. (similarly I find that clumsiness and ineptitude on the same mesmer will neuter its energy.) Chieftain Alex  22:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to add; if I were to compare them in a vacuum, outside a build, there aren't enough hexes that remain on the target long enough to trigger the deep wound reliably. I had to try and balance it like this. Soi Sticker 23:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Two second cast single target 75 damage skill? That makes me a sad panda. I'd rather take something like Frustration or Drain Enchantment, especially, if as you guys are suggesting you don't really care about the deep wound. Two copies at this point seems extra silly. In fact, scanning through a few builds that used midline illusion mesmers, none of them used Accumulated Pain at all! I guess that isn't really the point of this argument though! Feel free to base your argument around builds that people don't seem to be using anyway though! A new misery  08:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * @Misery, 1 second cast with fastcasting, and he's arguing about the builds I personally use. Not illusion mesmers in general. This is some huge elaborate attempt at a personal attack that's just backfiring on him, which is why I'm not really paying attention to the argument. I'm just here to chat with other kind folks like you.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  08:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am aware of what fast casting does, but it has a more or less flat effect across whatever mesmer skill you use, so you can pretty much ignore it in a discussion of mesmer skills. A new misery  08:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hahahahaha, the world revolves around Rask! I bet you'd be amazed to hear this isn't about YOU. However, the only one who can give us any insight into why YOU use dual illusion is you. We're waiting. @Misery; Frustration is single-target though, always seemed quite meh. I think Fragility is more reliable to trigger. Still a wasted slot, though. Arcane Conundrum is better, and it give a nice return if you micro it well/target a good central foe. Soi Sticker 08:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the world revolves around the sun. You have a trend with being wrong.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  09:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you replaced one of the Accumulated Pains with Frustration, due to Clumsiness, etc. you would add 141 single target damage to your spike per illusion mesmer, not per copy of Frustration, ignoring the additional caster shut down and any additional damage from other interrupts such as Power Drain. This would also add another long lasting hex, increasing the chance that you will trigger the deep wound on Accumulated Pain. With these builds the damage on Frustration is more significant than the increased casting time. Seems like a much better option and destroys the argument about wasted deep wounds. Fragility may be conditionally better depending on your team setup, but you would only want one copy of it due to its low recharge. If you have a lot of hexes from other sources, double Accumulated Pain may be a good option as long as the AI doesn't waste both on the same target. If you already have sources of deep wound and lots of other conditions, Fragility in combination with Frustration looks better. In vacuum, Frustration with Accumulated Pain seems like the best option. Have I convinced you yet that you are using shitty starting conditions as the basis of your argument? Using an incorrect starting point for your argument turns the whole wall of text to horseshit. A new misery  09:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)