User talk:Storm Before Dawn

Welcome to PvXwiki! I noticed you posted a build that requires mercenary heroes, but PvX currently does not support mercenary heroes. For the time being, I'd suggest you keep the build in your userspace (I can move it if you want) until PvX has a policy for them. --  Toraen   talk  23:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

If that is appropriate that would be helpful. Not used to this and am still trying to figure it all out. Storm Before Dawn 03:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've moved it and the link is on your userpage. Also, please sign by typing ~ or by clicking the sign button in the edit toolbar (second button from the right). Typing out your name doesn't create a link to you. --  Toraen   talk  04:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find any rules about no Mercs as a rule, I did however find your page here http://www.gwpvx.com/User_talk:Toraen/Build_Standards Honestly I don't really understand what the issue is. In theory you could just have any one of the heroes roll as a player and then have that second player use the additional mesmer/rit needed. Would this be an acceptable way to circumvent the no Merc policy, and just make a note in the additional comments that it could be run as a 7 hero team if mercs are available or a 2 man hero split as standard? I also found this http://www.gwpvx.com/PvXwiki:Ignore_All_Rules. Anyhow. Storm Before Dawn 04:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We currently just don't allow merc builds because (1) it's not a fair comparison to non-merc teams - Vetting and WELL would mean that any non-merc build would be directly inferior unless we separated the categories (2) Not everyone will have shelled out extra cash for additional heroes. We could make a new Merc category, but there hasn't been much demand for it so far and I'm not too keen on a category for only one or two builds. It'd need more support before we added it, basically. --  Toraen   talk  04:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it that much different then from people who don't have all 4 campaigns? Anyhow its really a moot point, if that is how it works, then that its how it works here. However, would it be acceptable to make a 2 player build (make the monk a human) and then add a footnote as to how to potentially run the build with a lone character? Storm Before Dawn 04:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, listing it as a two-man doesn't really help since a player build should end up looking very different from a hero build. There's a lot of skills humans just use better and there's the access to PvE skills. Adding players for general teams also leads to vetting builds with higher numbers of players and in General PvE you end up with a clusterfuck of random 8 man teams that don't really have any purpose and were theorycrafted (this actually happened a lot before). They'll obviously work but there's not much value in storing way to beat general content with 8 players #13463-b. Two-man builds used to be around before 7H (just to get a party with no henchmen) but now they're all archived. None of this is hard policy, just expectations of the community which is really too small to handle tons of PvE theorycraft and keep it all updated.
 * ^I guess this edit conflicted wall of text answers your question about making it 2 man. --  Toraen   talk  04:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see that all the 2 man teams are now shelved. I am a returning player from a few years ago, still getting used to all the adjustments to the game. I have just hoped to get this one out in the metagame, I've done Full DoA HM + Mally runs in 2 hours with cons, that's almost as good as Frostway, just minus the need for other players :/ Anyhow, I guess this will be kept to myself until the event of allowed Merc builds. Storm Before Dawn 04:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * A more public place for discussion. If you've got any ideas for the implementation of the category, shoot there. Hopefully some other people notice it as well. --  Toraen   talk  04:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please use the minor edit/show preview to prevent spamming RC, also try editing the page as a whole instead of section by section. Falrach 19:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure I know what the RC is here, but I figured out the minor edit bit. Didn't realize all the edits got posted in a channel somewhere.Storm Before Dawn 01:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Recent Changes, got it. O.o I spammed that quite nicely, sorry about that. It is a lot of policies to figure out all at once. thanks for the tips. Storm Before Dawn 03:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Mercenaries
If you want to, you could attempt to be the first person to have a build vetted in the new category. keyword: attempt Chieftain   Alex  20:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I am working on it! Did a big VQ chain with the Guild today but now I am trying to get the last of the build out onto the site. Still don't know how to actually post the build into the proper section, but I am certain I can figure it out. Storm Before Dawn 01:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you need a hand converting the gw template codes into the pvxbig stuff; use Special:PvXDecode Otherwise post skeleton builds and we can flesh them out. Content > appearance when starting :) [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  01:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Just wrapping it up on my own page. I have all the skills and attributes and equipment on the page, but I still need to do the usage and all. Storm Before Dawn 01:38, 14 December 2011 (UTC)