Archive talk:W/Rt Steelfang Hammer

Came up against one of these in TA tonight and experienced probably 15-20s of knocklock from it. Its creative use of both hammer and sword, coupled with the sheer "omg wtf!!!" response it illicits, made me feel that it needs to be shared with the world. Let the loving or the hating of this build begin! Zephyr Cloud  05:47, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Old..Roxas XIII 05:51, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Really? Hmm, I looked through wiki pretty carefully and didn't see it. If anybody has the link on hand please post it and we can just drop this. Otherwise... here it is I guess. Zephyr Cloud  [[Image:zeph_sig.jpg]] 06:01, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 * yup old, seen on observe Ashes 06:03, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It's nothing new, but it's not on the wiki afaik so that doesn't really matter. Age doesn't affect how good a build is. Shock axe, for instance. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  06:09, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it might be old because it was trashed... But I'm pretty sure Backbreaker Sin was trashed before too, maybe people feel like allowing weapon swapping builds at the moment. Dshot monk gogo! - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  06:31, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Not again; this already was taken to trash. It's a gimmick, it never will be a strong and brave build. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  07:19, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I posted the same and it got trashed which is a shame because I'm pretty sure this build ownzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. And it works in RA what more proof do you need? I don't think the problem is the build isn't brave enough, people just aren't strong enough to run it. Aznhalf 11:53, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Its not the point that people are not strong enough to use it, but that the weapon swapping is hardly ever used because it is extremely clunky to use and the damage is outdone easily by other builds. Knocklocks are hard to keep up and require too much timing and efficiency to effectively use it constantly--Manbeast15 13:49, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It's really not hard to use it if your escape key isn't broken and you know how to swap. Its two extra key strokes.  Casters switch for almost every cast(good ones do at least) so its not that big of a deal.  Now should this build be trashed, probably.  Blind/block which are annoyances to other wars will kill your potential 20 seconds of kd if you miss one steelfang. Damage is indeed subpar.  Still 20 seconds of knockdown on anyone is extremely satisfying and good for the soul.  Aznhalf 15:54, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Remove
Since it seems this build has been trashed before, and it really is inferior to other hammer builds, I'll go ahead and tag it for deletion. If you disagree with deletion of this build, post your reasons why here. Zephyr Cloud  15:12, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

/agree &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lilondra (contribs).

I disagree with deletion... not. Breitschleif 15:06, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank you for that wonderfully enlightening and thoughtful post. --71.229 15:08, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I can't see the point of deleting this build, it works great, it justs needs timing, and a lot of pratctice like the backbreaker sin, if this is going to get trashed then why isn't the bacbreaker sin trashed also? Drownz 15:33, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Because the sin build works ;) lilondra 06:00, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll go try it out now. You PvX people are so narrow minded at times, remember that the BB sin was also trashed rather quickly because people assumed it wouldn't work. People keept complaing about weapon swapping beeing noob, but it actaully works. Trashing build because they have beentrashed before is NOT a reason to do so. I'll get back with my 5 cents regarding the build when i have played it. Squirrel 07:35, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * After playing the build, i personally had to make a change. I used Power Attack in stead of Crushing blow (didn't have time to look for a better alternative, Recharge must be<4seconds). You can only use Crushing blow in the first chain, but it will be recharging during the second, as it's recharge is higher then 4 seconds. I like how excecuting the entire chain and repeating it will cause BB to hit just as the opponent gets up, so you really don't have to time anything. I would however remove the TA tag. This build is too fragile to blocks and blind especially because we are talking about an knocklock here, this will happen over an extended period of time. In TA there is almost always some sort of back up support such as WoW or B-surge, that will render this build useless. Thereby not saying that all other melee build are immune to blind and blocking, just saying that this build is especially exposed to it as you chain your attacks over an extended period of time. In RA it worked fairly well, if you could catch their healer under this, you could easily keep it going for 12 seconds. Squirrel 13:03, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Aura of Stability lol.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:07, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You suggest removing the deep wound for power attack? Oh my. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  13:16, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * This build fails anyway.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:18, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You dumb? This build owns. &mdash;  Ska K  id  13:43, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe I am, but this build doesn't work for me.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:44, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Guy in my guild got 100 TA consec with this (he only stopped because he was tired) during good hours. &mdash;  Ska K  id  13:52, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * k  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:54, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * And the rest of his team was...? God  box   13:56, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Evis and WoD. &mdash;  Ska K  id  13:59, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * That proves it; WoD is fucking awesome. God  box   14:02, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * @Panic - Crushing is good for the DW, but dosen't make sence since this is a Knocklock. (ask yourself, is crushing blow available every time you use BB?) Squirrel 16:48, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * No DW on melee = baed. I'd rather do -100 health and 20% healing reduction than wasting my energy on crappy attack skill. ~ ĐONT * TALK  17:43, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Oshit; this takes skillz. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  13:11, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Oshit indeed. I got no skillz so ima trash this build.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:12, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I just saw a warrior guesting for Glad playing this build... he aced the build man. I tried doing it like him but I suck. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] Railin 03:46, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I saw this being run in GvG round a mates house, seemed to be holding it's own, shall I ass a GvG tag? Frosty! 03:46, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It can be run in GvG, but it's not recommended to take it over the other options, as this only really works in things like BYOB in my experience. I'd keep the tags how they are. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  03:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Corrections
1. You want to run Magehunter Smash or Earthshaker, not Backbreaker.

2. This is getting nerfed, sadly.

3. It should absolutely have a GvG tag. It shouldn't have the TA tag. Zuranthium 19:05, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah a little birdy who lives nextdoor to Izzy told me that weapon swaping exploit builds such as this one are being looked into for future updates. That said when run well these build own, just because most people on this wiki are to nub to wep swap every cast doesn't mean people that do shouldn't be able to post builds. I say vet it, and let plenty of people learn how to weaponswap and get their fun in before this gets nerfed.I Heal If U Shutup 01:13, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
 * This isn't getting nerfed tbh, it's just a gimmick that owns ra when 1v1 vs monks, it's not that powerfull in 8v8, as it requires too much attention to kd lock and too less on the actual field. Nevermind, steelfang is overpowered. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:25, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

Junk now.
Balance update just killed this one. =P --Srakin 18:45, 22 May 2008 (EDT)