User:Vorpal/Failcent and the ER Domination Hero

=Failcent and the ER Domination Hero=

Abstract
In this short story, or actually drama, I'll describe the inevitable trolling and struggles which came after I submitted my ER Domination Hero, which can be found here, for the second time on PvX. A slice of life, PvX style! To the reader: the contents of this page may be shocking to you, it contains large amounts of illogical arguments, contradictions, trolling and foul language rarely seen on wikis. Even for PvX standards this is quite sad.

QFT: ''If you haven't noticed already, PvX is basically a haven for people that are OCD/anal retentive/autistic. -- Jai . -  19:53, May 23 2011 (UTC) ''

Introduction
First a short description of the ER Domination hero, so we are all on the same page here. The purpose of the hero is to spam powerful Mesmer skills which inflict armor ignoring AoE (area of effect) damage. The skills which this build focuses on in particular are Wastrel's Demise and Wastrel's Worry. Alright so you must wonder: why bother creating such a build and why an elementalist? The first answer is simple: practically every 7-hero team in the game, putting aside RoJway and Markway, consists out of 2 Necromancers, 2 or 3 Mesmers and 1 or 2 Ritualists. The choice between an additional Mesmer or Ritualist comes down to the fact that Razah's profession is optional, and since Mesmers and Ritualists are considered the best heroes in the game this choice is quite simple. An additional Mesmer provides more damage and an additional Ritualist more defenses, in the form of a ST or SoGM Ritualist. So the question is: what do we take as the 7th hero? Some possibilities are: Invoke Ele, RoJ Monk or Commandogon. They all have their shortcomings however; the Invoke ele does elemental damage which is not armor-ignoring and the Commandogon doesn't contribute much offensively. The RoJ Monk is probably the best choice, however it provides more defenses and support than it does damage, RoJ is powerful but causes scatter. The role of the ER Domination Hero is to provide an offensive 7th hero. The Wastrel skills are very powerful, so why not put them on a Mesmer? First of all, the Mesmers heroes are probably already occupied and secondly they will have a very hard time spamming them. The Elementalist, by using Ether Renewal as its elite, is the only profession which can successfully spam Wastrel skills without running out of energy. Note that the ER Domination should be used in combination with other Mesmers heroes for optimal effect. The shutdown from the Mesmers will allow the conditional damage from the ER Domination Hero to take place.

The antagonist of this story is the PvX user known as Vincent E V A N. It shows that he has no basic knowledge of PvE whatsoever and will properly be adressed as Failcent throughout this story.

So it begins: Prelude to War
Before things even got a chance to get started, Failcent immediately chose to attack the build:
 * Oh, this shitty build again. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 00:41, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Now let me elaborate on his statement, and what he means with "again". As a matter of fact, the ER Domination Hero has been submitted here before (by me) and achieved a rating which put the build in the "Good" category. Most PvX users agreed that it was a viable candidate for the 7th hero spot. However shortly afterwards some vandals, mostly PvP users, decided to gang up on the build and voting it down with ridiculous 0-0 votes. This led to the unfortunate event of the build being trashed. Failcent was one of the culprits, probably the leader but I can't prove that. Once again he made his cruel intentions clear from the start. After a little chat with Torean, Failcent decided to insult me for the first time:
 * You obviously have no clear understanding of anything in build related matters on PvX. This is not NPA. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 02:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

All I can say is that things weren't looking good from the start, it was clear that this build would again put a lot of strain on my and Failcent's non-existent relationship..

It's on: Vincent's Vote
After things settled down a bit, the build was ready to be vetted, the critical moment in every build's life. My buddy, and partner in Physway crime, Excluded voted first and was generally very postive about the build! However after a promising start a tragedy occurred, Failcent managed to post one of the most retarded votes in PvX history. He managed to come up with every illogical and false argument against the build and combined them into one vote! In the next section I will carefully dissect every aspect of the vote, first witness this abomination of logic for yourself:

'' 0-1-X Like last time on multiple accounts. I will not elaborate further on roughly 98% of the whines from PvX. Here is my list, and I will refuse to change my vote.''  1 - This build is awful for an offensive approach because the skills in domination are weaker compared to a runed mesmer who could effectively run a decent set of skills. '' 2 - E/Mo works very well because Protection Prayers have a much more, for a lack of a better word, stronger approach to their mechanics. Their job is to mitigate damage and the span of time and effectiveness on the skills is significantly easier on X/Mos rather than X/Mes.'' '' 3 - Overload - lol, like heroes can spam wastrels. Adding this defeats the purpose of spamming. They can't focus with more skills. A rough example would be like LF heroes, but this expands for "spamming skills."'' '' 4 - Unnatural Signet/Spiritual Pain, lol single target damage. Read 3.'' '' 5 - Carrying either A: two weapon sets for heroes, or B: a 40/40/20 staff or a 40/40 dom set. Have fun with the tedious process of weapon swapping for a FUCKING HERO. Or, have the 40/20/20 just to keep up ER and Aura longer and having slower skill cast. Or, have a 40/40 dom set where you can't keep ER up as long as it can with other E/X ER builds.'' '' 6 - This build is meant to be used with a another shutdown character. However, as a stand alone build, the wastrels skills are conditional damage skills, and with shitty hero AI, this build alone is ineffective. The fact that it has a dependence on another build to be successful is retarded. There is no reason to run this by itself, and with that in mind, if you're going to bring a shutdown, go something that can effectively shutdown both casters and physicals, like the Dom Mes + Illusion mes midline. That shit is good, this on the other hand, isn't.'' '' 7 - The fact that this build says "Don't call too much, let the hero spam his skills on as much different targets as possible. " fosters lazy behavior in players. Ctrl + spacing is fucking good and if you don't do it, you're a bad player. Or at least one that doesn't run the good Dual Mesmer midline. That team has good synergy and has a relatively high focus with calling. This CANNOT have a focus on characters because heroes "try to spam", thus making the team at a disposition to kill/shutdown faster.'' '' 8 - Counters: hex removal. No fucking shit. All it takes is for a critter to use a skill. Oh, I'm sorry, this hero is dependent on a shutdown character. Alone, the build is still shitty, and even with a sole shutdown character, there will be spells getting off, rendering the Wastrels skills useless.'' '' 9 - This build shouldn't be compared to the other ER builds because although they both use ER, this one is principally different. This is a straight out offense build. E/Mo is generic prot, while the ER Orders brings utility to the game. Defense and offense gained from utility is generally better (at least for defense to say at the least). But when you're trying to be offensive with conditional damage skills, which a HERO tries to spam, the damage output is significantly less than many other builds.'' '' 10 - AI: The fact you're trying to use wastrels skills on an Elementalist hero is foolish. The arguments from the previous build still stands. Heroes can't spam worth shit, and with the conditions that wastrels has, there is two huge aspects of damage output that goes against this build. Heroes can't spam, especially skills that will hardily get off.'' '' 11 - Energy pool doesn't make it good. Energy management good when it's for a build that has more set in stone roles (for lack of a better term). I don't run an E/Mo WoH healer because of energy storage, and I sure as hell wouldn't run ER on a healing build for "a good pool of energy." Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  ''

The first thing you might notice is that Failcent is not open to discussion about anything. He even says so himself in the first line of his vote. How he manages to accuse me of autism later is beyond me, since he has already managed to show multiple symptoms in just a few sentences. Anyway, let's move on to the vote itself shall we: 1. It is true that 12 Domination Magic gives you a lower damage output than a 14 or even 16 specced Domination Magic Mesmer, however this argument doesn't hold ground at all. First of all the damage output is still very good, despite the 12 Domination Magic. But more importantly: Mesmers can't spam Wastrel skills. Any attempt to run this on a Mesmer will fail, hence this argument is invalid. 2. I don't see how this argument contributes at all. So an ER Prot hero is a good hero? Yes it yes, but its performance cannot be used to measure the performance of the ER Domination Hero. This way I could argue that all Warrior builds suck, only because the Enduring Axe Build has the best performance. 3. Once again false, the hero can indeed spam Wastrel skills. So you don't like Overload? Okay that's fair, but an optional you dislike is no reason to vote the build down. 4. Failcent obviously has problems with comprehensive reading, or reading in general, because both Unnatural Signet and Spiritual Pain inflict damage on multiple opponent when used correctly. 5. Failcent has a vived imagination, because weapon swapping for a hero is nowhere mentioned throughout the article. I guess he has problems with the difference between the logical operators "AND" and "OR". 6. The Domination Hero is meant to be used in combination with shutdown in the first place, I don't know why Vincent would run this build without it. He calls it dependency, I call it synergy. It's an optional which comes available when you're running the 2 Mesmer Hero Midline. 7. You can still call and c-space as you see fit, but switching between different targets once in a while doesn't hurt in this case. 8. Sure some hexes won't trigger, but that isn't a problem at all. Not every attack is successful, welcome to Guild Wars. 9. Good luck with inflicting damage solely from support. The ER Domination Hero has great damage output, why he brings up the ER Prot and ER Orders heroes again is beyond me. 10. Heroes can spam skills and the hexes will obviously trigger, at this point I was wondering if Failcent even has Guild Wars installed. 11. Failcent still does't understand why the build is a primary Elementalist, and doesn't see the importance of energy management. As long as you have energy you can use skills. It's not uncommon for builds to dedicate a part, 1 to 2 skills, to energy management. Some builds even sacrifice their elites, like the ER builds and ST Ritualist. In this case energy does make it good, because no other profession can pull the job off. His last example is laughable, you wouldn't run a E/Mo WoH healer in the first place because of the lack of Divine Favor.

Trial and Tribulations: Argumentum ad hominem evolved
After I countered some of Failcent's arguments and reported his vote on the admin noticeboard things really started to heat up.. Realizing I have seen through his evil vote and beat him in the arts of both logic and Guild Wars knowledge he resorted to more drastic measures. He decided to insult me one more time, it was clear that I was going to get it good this time, he wanted to break and provoke me in a dramatic attempt to recover credibility and self-respect.


 * First of all, your "issue" can be resolved on the build's talk page. Second of all heroes can't spam wastrels, so why make a build to "fufill" a role that can never be achieved? Third: Energy Storage is just that, go ahead and take it, but if I were to have a major prolapse of judgment (and possibly shitfaced out of my mind, or just contracted autism in some magical way) I would run a mesmer that could actually use their attribute line more than 12 for a certain set of skills to spam. Fourth and finally, read my fucking vote. I'm stating they can't be compared because of a difference of roles. ER Prot and ER Orders actually achieves something through the means of standard utility (or prots in ER Prot's case). You're Domination hero is just idiotic. I have no idea what Relyk sees in you. Get your shit together and quit being an illogical autist. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 01:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Well I would have loved to debate his vote on the talk page, but he made it very clear in his first sentence that he was not going elaborate in any way, hence I had to resort to the noticeboard. After some more false arguments, which we have seen before, he decides playtime is over and insult me bigtime. But before I could even react Jai came to the rescue:
 * ER can spam Wastrel's fine, what are you talking about? And you can't run a mesmer when they're already being used for Illusion and Panic, which leaves no room for Wastrel's. If you could have 3 mesmers (and 2 rits too, in case you were thinking of Razah), then your argument would be absolutely and completely valid. The problem is that mesmers can be used better than for Wastrel's skills. But you run out of mesmers and rits and you still have 3 party slots left, which is where stuff that's normally somewhat lukewarm (FoC necro's, RoJ monks, Wastrel Spammers, even paragons) come in. As has been mention in the previous (deleted) version, what you should be comparing it to is not mesmers, but other non-top-tier builds, like smiters and necro's. In that situation ER Wastrel's looks a lot more appealing because it's got very nice nuking power when used properly. Also, personal attacks just degrade your own arguments, stop doing it. -- Jai . -  01:48, November 22 2011 (UTC) 

Luckily for me, one of the admins Misery agreed with me and decided to put a stop to Failcent:


 * Hi, I'm new to the administrative team and seeing such blatant, unnecessary personal attacks gets my knickers in a twist. Stop doing that. Especially when it includes grammar and spelling mistakes. I'm completely serious by the way. A new misery  19:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

After which things has been suspiciously quiet from Failcent's side. I like to believe that there has been pulled a stop to his evil forever, but deep inside I know better. I know that there will be a day in which I once again have to face Failcent and his trolls.

The aftermath
more to come