Archive talk:R/any Tank Master

This build is awesome. It has great DPS and can tank. --frvwfr2 (talk)(contributions) 13:25, 8 May 2007 (CEST)
 * I wouldn't go so far as to say 'great dps', it would be about 27DPS (assuming an Elder pet) against an AL60 target. Not too bad, but not really good, either. Tycn 13:35, 8 May 2007 (CEST)


 * Plus whatever you deal with your bow, and the reduced damage to the rest of your group. --[[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]]frvwfr2 (talk)(contributions) 13:54, 8 May 2007 (CEST)


 * Much higher damage than half of the noob warriors out there. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] 23:55, 9 May 2007 (CEST)
 * Um, not a "Great" build. But it is a pretty good BM build I guess. Readem (talk *contribs ) 00:50, 10 May 2007 (CEST)


 * Is there a way to realiably get enemies to actually focus on your pet to make having him a tank useful?Lifeform 04:54, 30 October 2007 (CET)


 * Beast Master builds are soo boring to play in my opinion. It makes you feel like your not doing anything for your party except heal yourself when you take damage. [[Image:Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support.jpg|20px]]  Huynh Sanity  23:55, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Judge's Insight
How about taking out Predatory Bond and replacing it with Judge's Insight? Added Armor Penetration with very little downside. It doesn't overwhelm your energy either. Removing 2 points from Expertise and putting them into Smiting means its possible to keep it indefinately. 90.200.188.109 22:54, 7 June 2007 (CEST)
 * More then half of the damage, the 16HP/sec from Enraged Lunge, is armor-ignoring anyway. Predator's Pounce will probably do more to up the damage then JI.--80.126.3.188 08:59, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Explorer's Armor
What is that? Survivor? user:kullwarrior June 15 2007

Troll Unguent
Is it really necesary? Predatory bond is good enough self heal aready, I would put those points to 9 marksmanship to at least meet bow req, it would raise overall dps quite a lot and use troll slot for utility stuff like distracting shot. Zweistein 12:22, 1 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Well... no, predatory bond isn't a very good self-heal, but I tend to take troll out anyway. I replace it with dshot or dlunge for key interrupts and take good hero monks. 14 beast/13 et is my distribution for this build. - Auron 12:36, 1 July 2007 (CEST)

I don't use it, I get by using Predatory Bond and kiting when attacked. I also add Distracting sometimes. Anyway, my version is 16 BM and 14 Expertise, with a req3 11-18dmg longbow, adding Predator's Pounce and removing lame Symbiotic Bond (Have you tried to retreat with that thing on?) Ereanor 20:19, 20 July 2007 (CEST)

What no, i mean its not like anytihng ever blinds your pet or decides hey. lets attack the dude with the bow, after all this isnt guild WARS this is guild junior cheerleading tryouts. Troll Ungeuent provides a REALIABLE self heal for when things dont go as planned. 24.18.175.168 22:07, 2 March 2008 (EST) Pride of the Forgotten

When using this build I never bring Troll Unguent and spec into beast mastery and expertise or marskmanship as said above. Although your weapon isn't exactly important to this build... I prefer to bring Brutal Strike instead and replace Predatory Bond with Otyugh's Cry as I dont require the self heal. If your monks are doing their jobs properly and you keep out of harms everything works out fine. Also, more often than not I'll bring Feral Lunge rather than Comfort Animal. He never dies so I find the ress useless most of the time. If he dies, then the whole team is most likely dead to = team ress. Del 21:40, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Moved to great
since it now has 5 voters with high enough average score I moved it, please revert and excuse me if i did anything wrong. thanks--Morten 08:11, 5 July 2007 (CEST)

moving back to good
Since it has fallen below 4.5, moving back to good. However I do disagree with Greevar's vote. Build DOES NOT put you in harms way if you use the pet commands. Even before Pet commands were implemented, you could just use a Flatbow and run till the mob was on the pet.--Sirron Eblibs 09:19, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

And moving back to great again... Hopefully this does not move too many times.--Sirron Eblibs 18:12, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

Instead of having 10 wilderness survival, have 10 protection prayers, and use life bond on your pet, which greatly reduces the damage to them as well as to yourself. You can then use zealous benediction to heal, at the cost of reduced damage. However, ZB would provide more energy, and through the use of essence bond, large mobs could be easily tanked with massive energy gain for the caster/player. It would be up to the player to choose which other skills should be removed for these additional monk spells.

My point was that if the pet gets mobbed, you'll be taking a lot of damage especially if you're getting attacked as well as your pet. I still believe that the build could use more damage. Greevar 17:49, 26 July 2007 (CEST)


 * Quit spreading info from a trash build onto a good build. You fail to understand that this is a Tanking build that is also able to do 100+ to single targets every once in a while as a bonus feature. Nothing else. And a ZB ranger? Wtf? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 17:52, 26 July 2007 (CEST)

Pet Rez
Comfort Animal isn't really nesessary if you consider that: 1.The damage it recives is split in half with you. 2.THAT damage is reduced by CoP. And 3. Your pet has +3 health regeneration. All added togeather you ALWAYS(Well 99.9%) die before your pet. Also, if your rezed at a shrine. your pet is raised as well. And even if you die. it still has CoP active, So it can outlast until your rezed. Just a thought sense I've havn't used it in so long and I've VERY rarely needed it. SO BE A SPARTAN AND GET RID OF IT AND PUT SOMETHING MORE USEFUL IN IT'S PLACE!!! Kael Drake August, 26,2007
 * You're pretty much useless if your pet gets killed. While the chance of having your pet killed is small, the impact is huge.Asdfg 20:49, 26 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Yeah i agree, pet dying without Comfort Animal makes you pretty useless for whatever it is that you're doing--Phoenix Blader X 11:36, 20 January 2008 (EST)

I hardly ever bring a pet rez with this build since as the guy above said, you always die before your pet dies. I prefer to bring an extra pet attack to increase damage. I guess it depends how much much you trust your monks and the prot on your pet. I've been playing with this build for a long time and never had to ress my pet yet. Del 09:49, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

I find that comfort animal is ok, But I mostly use this build with other beastmasters, I think it makes the build funner to play when there are 3 rainbow pheonixs' running around instead of just 1. When I do so, I bring Revive Animal with another mate as well. This provides the party with a hard Petsres. This build encompases the great attack power of Enraged Lunge, it with a few shouts, and other animal attacks can be a great animal DPS'er, while your mates pets do the tank scheme. I often do Vanquishes and HM missions with a few guildmates/beastmasters of my own, and the group consists of 1 LoD monk (For party wide support) 3-4 Beastmasters (For tank+DPS) and 1-2 bonders (To support the DPS Beasters) The last person is usually my paragon mate that uses party wide shouts because they affect animals too :) The combo is very effective, because with the right build, Beastmasters can be the most effective means to an end.

Energizing Wind
Energizing Wind would make a GREAT add on. it can a) reduce energy costs, b) trigger Enraged Lunge, and c) make your skills recharge longer for Enraged Lunge, which allows you to not spam them as much. It may hurt Predatory Bond, however. --Guild of Deals 22:12, 7 October 2007 (CEST)
 * And reduce ER spamming, which sucks. — Skakid9090 22:14, 7 October 2007 (CEST)

Heroes
Anyone know if the Hero AI works well with this build? I wouldn't think so, seeing as there seems to be an order the skill usage. But I may be wrong. Anyone tried it yet? Legacy 01:32, 24 October 2007 (CEST)

I have tried this build on heroes before and you need to micro-manage their skill usage. They seem to only want to use the protective shouts when the pet is getting low and they don't maintain them if they run out. It's been awhile since I tried it on a hero, though.

Equipment
"The sole purpose of the weapon is to tell the pet whom to attack." So now that there's a pet minibar that allows locking the pet's target, the weapon should be unnecessary. Right? I think wrong. Also build is specified for heros. The hero should have a long- or flatbow only to keep it far away, but there's still no word on how well the hero really does with this build.--War Pig5 14:53, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Possible Varient?
Just wanting to ask this question...would it be possible to remove Troll Ungent, replace with Maurader's Shot (which makes just about every skill recharge on that bar) then hit Enraged Lunge? the 10 in Marksmanship (as you would have no need of Wilderness Survival anymore) will make the ranger actually do some damage, and the overall DPS of this build (including pet) will increase somewhat...It's just a thought.Thomas Malakier 16:04, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * you could also go with Tiger's Fury or Bestial Fury as both are best mastery skill, it would increase enraged lunge dmg output even more. Darkdawn 11:21, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * nevermind, I kinda forgot about the max +dmgDarkdawn 11:21, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

CM
This works awesome in Aspenwood Kurzick side. Just send your pet out an open gate, close the gate, and you can control your pet without being hit. You can usually maintain a gate for the entire game using this, as long as your damage reduction buffs and self heal last. -- Guild of  Deals  13:06, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Crazy Thought
Would Vocal was Sogolon increase the duration of Symbiotic Bond, Call of Protection and most importantly Feral Aggression and Predatory Bond? If so, that would be a nice variant. Put points from Wilderniss Survival into Restoration Magic.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  10:01, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I would rather use Enduring Harmony As you dont have to remove points from wilderness and the increase duration % is higher. Darkdawn 11:15, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. I thought of it before, but it's not worth it. The Shouts aren't strippable and are maintainable. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  11:17, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * They're not maintainable.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:22, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Feral is (well 2 seconds but that won't kill you). But I have to agree that 12 second without Predatory Bond is a lot. That's why i usually replace troll unguent for Enduring Harmony and bring a monk along.Darkdawn 11:28, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe take Otyokosomething's Cry too. Unblockable attacks seem pretty good.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:30, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, If going for a more tanking build replacing feral's aggression for Otyugh's Cry could be good. 3 pip + dmg reduction + armor boost is good.But I think it'S already in the variants.Darkdawn 11:34, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Vocal was Sologon is best to use it last longer, and you dont have to keep reapplying it, it also helps to direct your pet as well. Enduring Harmony needs more reapplication, and is overall less effective.

Why is this outdated?
I'm currently running this build on my Ranger, and it's doing great. I don't see why this build should be considered outdated. Could anyone shed some light as why this is? Gojirazard 13:54, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


 * yeah, I'm a bit confused as well... was there an update that gave us a better skill? Sacraficia 08:01, 13 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Unlikely, since the build was updated with the release of EotN to include the Feral Aggression skill. Maybe it's just not been updated for a while, since Beast Mastery is rarely changed with updates, so was it outdated for just being static? Gojirazard 01:37, 17 June 2008 (EDT)


 * I think Rapta just goes round out-dating builds he doesn't like ;) Bonsai nine 07:52, 17 June 2008 (EDT)


 * This build shouldnt be archived, it works great and I'm still using it. I'm asking for a revert. Darkdawn 08:49, 17 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Just got computer access again. Now I see that it says "Very outdated". I'm disappointed, since now the only pet builds in the system are mostly for the pet & self buffs. Gojirazard 02:02, 22 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Bit late, but revert this plz. There was no update whatsoever. I find the outdated reason for archiving is mostly just a generic excuse for archiving stuff that one doesnt like (Also, you could just change the build to include the new, better method without archiving the old and wating for somebody to create a new one. Outdated=stupid) 95.119.33.152 09:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's 'outdated' because everyone here knows that AoE is a far better option for damage in PvE than single-target damage. If this wasn't archived, it would be trash-voted by everyone now since rangers have better options for damage, and a pet can't tank to the same capacity that human players with specialized builds (Obsidian Flesh, Permaform) can. This works in PvE and can be fun, but is not optimal. Toraen 11:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

GDW
I added Great Dwarf Weapon to the variant, tried it and it works great.Darkdawn 09:27, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The build's archived, no editing it as per PvXwiki:Editing Builds. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 14:13, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

well un archive it! it works great in AB! no one knows what to do with a giant tiger chasing them! -chancellor of elona
 * laugh at it and capClose[[Image:CloseImpactSW.jpg|19px]]Impact Too Muh Bruh  14:27, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Walk past it and shake their heads.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 06:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Pet It :)