Build talk:Any/A General Shadow Form Runner

Edit edit edit!--ValeV 12:33, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why the hell should a necro using this have 12 soul reaping??? Tyrael [[Image:Life Sheath.jpg|19px]]  I'm santa!  20:08, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * When spirits and shit die it r give you energy  Thomas   So   Dutch  20:35, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * lol sf with no perma. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:Manly Elite Skill.jpg|19px]] 22:40, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol comment above^ &#8212; Forget  Santa clausjj.jpg 23:04, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * May as well. Unless you're using a blood or death focus, where else would you put them? Dark Prison lasting 2 seconds is about the same as lasting 5 seconds for running builds. Dark Prison isn't used as a snare, it's used to cover more ground. Occasionally, wolves or bears die from AoE during the run. Sometimes, giants and trolls and griffons fight each other in Snake Dance. Occasionally, party members try to run with you and die. Yes, it's not technically needed, nor can you really expect it to help you, but it doesn't take away from anything and it's a nice little boost when it does. (Not that you'll be low on energy with a 2 minute long stance.) Invincible  Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 03:28, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * Vincent... Comments like that make me want to cry... Permanent Shadow Form just slows you down. A lot. Shadow Form running was perfectly viable with a 17 second, 60 recharge Shadow Form two years ago. It's still perfectly viable, and Shadow Form has been buffed since then. My dervish can do the run naked. Having 60 AL is no excuse for needing Shadow Form. This is one of the safest running builds that doesn't use permanent Shadow Form. Heart of Shadow and Death's Charge make keeping your health up a joke. Invincible  Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 03:28, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ running is all about knowing the route. You don't need permanent spell invincibility to run anything except the Ice Dome. With everything else it's just timing. As for the 12 points leftover...I'd put that in Blood Magic for Blood Renewal or something like that. That may be a little too oldschool for this site. [[Image:Shino sig.png]]04:40, 31 December 2009
 * consume corpse or necrotic transversal on dwarven corpses tbh-- Relyk  talk  06:08, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dwarves are typically alive when you get to them though, so return is better. Plus it's a 1/4 second cast. Invincible  Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 07:53, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also lol @ dervish comment, if you run this as a dervish you are lolbad and should quit gw (VoS says hi) Tyrael [[Image:Life Sheath.jpg|19px]]  Undead!  14:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * No one said anything about running this with a dervish. More people need to vote. At the present time, this is the most reliable and fastest cookie-cutter build you can find that will fit all caster professions. [[Image:Shino sig.png]]14:38, 6 January 2010
 * Shadow Form with pious haste is brave. We used to run that on sins. Invincible  <font color="#AA0088">Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 21:20, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Except compare our running skill to that of the general populace of PVX. Is that NPA? [[Image:Shino sig.png]]<font face="papyrus" color="black" variant="small caps">22:45, 6 January 2010
 * I don't think so. If you mention any names, then it would be. <font color="#AA0088">Invincible  <font color="#AA0088">Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 23:17, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * how am i suppose to counter a bad time ending of shadow form because you would pretty much die instantlyMytymj 15:15, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No what you do is use it somewhat intelligently (in other words, right before a dangerous mob), run through the mob and use Death's Charge or Heart of Shadow as it ends. If you don't think that's a good idea for some reason, you should break aggro and find a rest spot. [[Image:Shino sig.png]]<font face="papyrus" color="black" variant="small caps">15:40, 9 January 2010
 * Why should ele's put 12 on energy storage? because what is it going to do, aura of restoration isn't very good as it is and running builds don't require a lot of energy so i really don't see the point, can anybody explain this to me?Mytymj 21:24, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * (RI) Read Mind Freeze's description. <font color="#AA0088">Invincible  <font color="#AA0088">Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 21:34, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why should Ele's put 12 in Energy Storage is a bad question. Believe me, if you spam all these shadow steps, you WILL start to run out of energy. Dervishes have Mysticism which helps a lot. If you're using an Elementalist you can spam away and be at the end of the zone before you realize what happened. [[Image:Shino sig.png]]<font face="papyrus" color="black" variant="small caps">22:16, 9 January 2010
 * even if you spammed all ur skills, you wouldnt run out of energy for a long time. you have a high energy set anyways-- Relyk  talk  23:45, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's all but impossible to run out of energy as an elementalist using Drunken Master. Besides, it'd be a waste to put them anywhere else. <font color="#AA0088">Invincible  <font color="#AA0088">Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 04:33, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well.....there's always this. [[Image:Shino sig.png]]<font face="papyrus" color="black" variant="small caps">05:08, 14 January 2010

Can we have a possible list of already made builds?
'like each prof have the build saved so people can just download it. [build prof=Mo/A div=12 sha=12][Death's Charge][Heart of Shadow][Shadow Form]["I Am Unstoppable!"]["Don't Trip!"][Dwarven Stability][Dash][Dark Escape][/build]

variants
Just to make sure there is no revert wars or stuff, the class specific variants are unnecessary. If you even need an additional healing skill (which you should not because Death's Charge and Heart of Shadow gives enough healing already), Shadow Sanc or Feigned, or Shroud are all you need. I mean, Blood Renewal? Protective Spirit? Come on. Demonic Sin Ex 01:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As i said in the revert summary, the build is for any primary profession to do the run. The listed options for each profession are viable options if they (the runner) would like to use them and as such should stay on the Any/A build. If you feel the need to submit a build for this run that is A/Any, I direct you to to have at and submit your variation for an Assassin primary running build of which other primary profession skills would not be possible or open to discussion. Ty!  Akio  _Ka  t  suragi    03:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * PS at the right time could just make or break your run... just saying :P I Luv Cheetos 13:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)