Build talk:Me/any FA Shutdown

ded shutdown is lame in jq/fa. In JQ, you can shutdown players with a couple interrupts. in FA, you need the rest of your team to be useful before it's effective to shutdown nukers on kurzick side or monks/ritualists on luxon side.-- Relyk 23:28, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lame as in overly effective or ineffective? While you can have some shutdown in FA. It really does make a difference when teams bring the generic roj monks, sh eles, and esurge mesmers. With PD, you can control all, rather than focus on one, which really makes a big difference for your teams. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 23:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * At the start, you can't kill turtles, so they're likely to get through the gates no matter how much you shutdown nukers. Although makes it easier for the team to kill turtles since you can shutdown healers, if they aren't smart enough to stay out of range. At green gate, shutdown doesn't help in preventing the jugger from being killed. You can't kill the people attacking the jugger or heal it, shutting down a couple casters trying to kill it isn't really effective. At gunther, half the problem is staying alive long enough to interrupt the key nukes and monks, you can't interrupt while you're dead. Shutting down monks is impossible at that point too. Compared to using (magebane) ranger, you don't have any offensive ability along with shutdown.
 * On luxon side, you're just attacking the healers the entire time hoping they don't get off WoH and that turtles don't get killed. I guess you can defend turtle by shutting down casters, and bring empathy/restful breeze to defend against rangers. But that's pretty zzz to just nuking the gate with support from turtle. Shutting down monks so your team can kill the jugger is totally dependent on your team killing the jugger. At gunther, you're much more useful though. If you can shutdown a monk sitting back and maybe the ST rit spamming away, you can carry your team for kills. It's still lame if your team isn't there to back you up, otherwise it's single file suicide.
 * The JQ shutdown mes build was trashed, you'll have no luck justifying another shutdown build there. Imo vet it for FA and see if people agree shutdown is effective for either side.-- Relyk 00:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's still in good actually. Dunno if it still should be though. --  Toraen   talk  16:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can see why this build would be more ineffective in JQ rather than FA. I'll just move it so it's just for the latter. There is at least 'some' pvp that matters in FA, compared to JQ where shutdown would be more helpful. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 16:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * @toraen, was referring to the Psychic Distraction build with rending gaze, dunno if it was changed/replaced to that general build.
 * @vincent, it's pretty viable in FA. I think it's effectiveness will vary greatly from player to player though.-- Relyk 21:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the build I linked was a PD-only build at some point. --  Toraen   talk  21:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Shut down in FA, i think would be most effective on the luxon side to disable healers so your team will have an easier time killing gunther. Dacookiemaster 19:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Shutdown as a stalling tactic could work fine as a Kurzick, though Shared Burden comes more to mind (despite it not being amazing, you could hit all the Luxon wars with it and multiple players). IMO you may as well mainbar Chaos Storm for shrine capping, though; that way you get the best of both worlds. 86.29.59.232 22:21, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * @ IP, AoE isn't really shutdown, that's why it isn't mainbarred. It's excellent for Lux side if you chose it, but as a Kurzick, I'd definitely choose something over it. If you're going to be stalling, you don't want to try be capping, but doing whatever means necessary to make sure enemies can't kill teammates or NPCs.


 * @ Cookie, Shutting down healers on any side is effective. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 15:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like a plain PvP domination build to me, nothing special about it. 62.195.252.192 00:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

It is the best FA build IMO. The ability to rupt casters (that are always present in luxon team) and almost shut down a monk with 4-5 skills leaving 3 skills for defense/enchantment removal/anything else and optionals to suit each player's playstile is great. Chonsy Rulez   18:56, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Actual test results
Basically rupting everything between the green gate and outer gates = win. I used PD, Chaos Storm + Auspicious incantation as my optionals. Chieftain  Alex  10:56, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * the one thing that is impossible to mitigate is time. Sadly, it takes forever to win, but it is effective. Moving into testing. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 21:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

meta
meta meta meta meta taemtmatemtaemtemmetam emat it's meta derrrp. --Silven Shadow 02:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This is one of the best builds ever and my favorite one but it is not so played that it can be in meta, I guess [[Image:ChonsyRulez.jpg|19px]] Chonsy  Rulez   18:56, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I am a leak in this
Mantra of Earth, which desired effect does it have?  Shadow  Talk  22:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Unsteady ground deals earth damage. Also earth elementalists. 94.212.57.91 23:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Turtle seige deals earth damage bro. 77.102.255.94 23:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Flux For February (Alliteration McVincent)
LOL ETHER FEAST. GG. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   22:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Meta
Discussion goes here. jī·gō·dǔ -  12:18, 12 Jul 2012 (UTC)
 * Was under the discussion someone else besides an anon added it, don't actually have any ground to argue for the tag. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 13:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I see PI mesmers around, not really Meta. Silen†  13:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * PI + Wastrel's is a lot more common imo. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 13:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ Also, I already said that this wasnt meta like 4 months ago, but well... <font color="DarkGoldenRod" size="2px">Silen†  13:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * want a cookie?-- Relyk 19:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. <font color="DarkGoldenRod" size="2px">Silen†  20:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Was always meta. --Silven Shadow 09:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)