Build talk:Team - Kathandrax Spearway

Here it is, i keep my promises! Please rate and discuss... If you've done SoO then you will notice that teams form and complete -- Elf-e 14:22, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Elf-e what's your IGN? >{ CaRnyVaL  }™  15:32, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * IGN?--174.99.101.134 16:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * In Game Name >{ CaRnyVaL  }™ [[Image:Primal Rage.jpg|22px]] 17:33, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * E L F Y why do you ask? o.O (not logged in) --174.99.101.134 17:54, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * WTF?-- Elf-eElf.jpg 18:09, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's CaRnyVaL here, this is my IP so u know I'm not doing anything to ur build, btw the thing with the duck was hilarious 92.81.239.116 18:36, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't find this funny.... i would guess the SC guilds be made b/c they dont want nubs but still...-- Elf-eElf.jpg 18:37, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I had a more "diplomatic" idea but they won't listen xD, the duck and the limonade shop story was funny :P >{ CaRnyVaL  }™ [[Image:Primal Rage.jpg|22px]] 18:42, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * in the future if someone vandalises the page repeatedly (note: more than once). Then post it on the admin noticeboard for us to see if we haven't already.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  18:43, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for restoring the page... BoND has been oon my ass all day about me posting this. I have the right as a citizen of the Guild wars Community to post this. So if don't like it put it in your juice box and suck it!-- Elf-eElf.jpg 22:50, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * It might be your right but as a BonD alliance member you were told not to post these alliance builds on pvx or release them. You might be a citizen of the GW community but your not a very trustworthy and good one >:(. The Time Less One 20:16, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * needs screenshots elfe-- Relyk  talk  23:04, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * how do i save screenshot from GW to my comp? I'm a PVX noob -- Elf-eElf.jpg 23:28, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nvm...-- Elf-eElf.jpg 23:36, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I run this as often as I see PUG groups forming; next run I am on I will film. + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  14:08, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's so sad when we welcome people in our alli, learn them speed clears, treat them like our family and 1 week after they stab us in the back by posting our builds on wiki. You should be ashamed :*( >{ CaRnyVaL  }™ [[Image:Primal Rage.jpg|22px]] 07:05, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. These are really bad builds for speed. If you want to settle for mediocrity then use these builds. But that's great I guess. Shadowstar Cometh 00:51, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

"I Am Unstoppable!"
no need for this 74.103.53.104 14:25, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh Really?Are you serious? :O >{ CaRnyVaL  }™ [[Image:Primal Rage.jpg|22px]] 14:52, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's see This, This, And don't forget this son of a bitch on Lv2 -- Elf-eElf.jpg 17:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

It's not needed. If you're any good at running these builds, you will have Dark Escape permanently up, which reduces damage anyways, and with BU outspeeds most things in the dungeon. Infernal Wurms are easy enough to see where they come from, and you can avoid getting key skills interrupted fron KD's easily enough. I run this almost every day as A/P without IAU. Trust me, you do not need it. + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  19:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * pug says hi!-- Relyk  talk  20:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ This build was meant to be PuG friendly (unlike Recallway)-- Elf-eElf.jpg 21:19, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: nevermind, it was removed prior to my posting. + ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  01:00, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't using IAU either but crippled started to be annoying >.< >{ <font color="Black">CaRnyVaL  }™ [[Image:Primal Rage.jpg|22px]] 06:37, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Recallway is pug friendly. How is using dash and running into a corner and having the party recall out not easy? That's how I got the 2 min record. It was pretty easy. Shadowstar Cometh 00:50, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

"Some stuffs"
Sliver - Tank DON'T need it. Barbs - He don't need attack, just keep up dark scape, damage will be 0. Also, he needs IaU (Spiders will crip him when he pulls the boss).79.144.254.132 13:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Barbs had IAU to start with, and changed Sliver to Unseen Fury. Fixed-- Elf-eElf.jpg 14:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Shouter
Why dont you put a shouter in the build, with skills like "Fall Back" & Godspeed to speed up things? Konschu 17:24, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * With the BU and Dark escape were at 33% speed permanently so it would redundant towards this build... I can't say this enough this is suppose to be PuG friendly unlike Recallway that has a "Shouter"-- Elf-eElf.jpg 18:17, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * actually you should have a shouter but it isn't required for the build. instarevive from we shall return and heal from fall back is ^^. It would be pretty easy to bring shouter skills on one of the paras instead of crit strikes if you wanted it.-- Relyk  talk  19:31, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heals from DC/EE and SoD should be enough but i will put the shouter under variants-- Elf-eElf.jpg 22:48, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

A/E Tank
All he needs is Stoneflesh, SF, Shroud, Dark Escape, and Shadow Sanctuary. You can cycle between Shadow Sanctuary and Dark Escape on the 3rd Floor for all 0's. Here is what I use: [build prof=assassin/elementalist shadow=12+3+1 earth=12][Shadow Form][Shroud of Distress][Stoneflesh Aura][Dwarven Stability][Dark Escape][Shadow Sanctuary][Recall][Death's Charge][/build]

Records
This build with a few tweaks, whole dungeon in 10min 124.190.27.5 07:16, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Life  Guardian  07:20, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * My problem with tanking is that you aren't spiking. You're pulling. You don't need all damage to be 0's. It's a waste of time casting SF aura on lvl 3. With Shroud you won't die.Shadowstar Cometh 22:52, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

EBSoH
how is this not on someones bar? this could increase dmg from the spear throwers and from barbs so you will auto win... 22:52, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mmmm, it should be, but ti doesn't increase barbs damage. Life   Guardian  00:00, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Final boss has a skill that reflects all damage dealt directly back to the source. Shadow Form + Shroud of Distress negates the damage that would be dealt otherwise. With EBSoH, damage would bypass the reduction. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  01:16, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ups. Forgot this wasn't like recallway with seed. Life   Guardian  01:43, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

PUGs
where are PUGs made and in what dis? cuz i don't see ppl lfg spearway at doomlore or longeye --Pryon 17:43, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * if u look at the notes it says Vlox's Falls in american district 24.147.229.180 21:27, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

merciless spear
why not have 1 of the a/p take it?--66.69.115.252 22:43, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * it's not necessary and doesn't speed the run up--TahiriVeila 22:52, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why take a bonder?
Only bad A/E's need the bonder. If the A/E brings shadow sanctuary and just alternates shadow sanctuary with stoneflesh aura you never have any energy problems. Just maintain dark escape, form and shroud as usual. You don't even need to use the stacking bug with shadow form. The key is not to spam on recharge. Wait until flesh or sanctuary is starting to flash before casting the other. You do take small hits from some attacks with just shadow sanctuary up, but even with rank 1 the 15 or better health regeneration more than covers that. 128.113.239.179 16:03, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically you cannot tell if your tank is bad / lagging before you get to level three. If he IS a shitter, bonds will make your chances of success much higher. If he laggs into a rock + thinks armor of earth is better than infiltrators he will not have Death's Charge either. Using another A/P doesn't really increase the DPS enough to make it worth taking instead of an A/Mo. [Plus the A/Mo can bring Ebon Standard of Honor to make killing the Vow of Silence djinns way quicker.] Just to note: if both your A/MO & A/E are shit you're totally fucked either way --> gonna kill each mob seperately. --Chieftain Alex 11:07, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * taking an a/mo doesnt even reduce your dps. The amo should still take GDW and EVAS and just use one of the optional running skills to put BS in. Howe304 14:24, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

A/P Tank
Should the A/P version of the A/E tank be mentioned as a varient. I havnt run it but supposedly it can be easier to maintain? 124.190.27.5 06:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC) [build prof=A/P name="The Alternate Tank" sha=12 cri=3 spe=9 mot=9][Shroud of Distress][Shadow Form][Dwarven Stability][Dark Escape][Way of the Master][Way of Perfection]["I Am Unstoppable!"][Death's Charge][/build] The 9 I specced into motivation is to meet the shield requirement, since wierdly all of the shields I have are for that attribute - you could just as easily spec into a Command shield. Just to define the advantages: Evidently you should be using the correct equipment for level 3: piercing shield with infiltrator insignia {or the slash versions}, q9 spear and q9 shield.-- <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  01:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No need for bonder so in theory you have slightly more DPS
 * You meet the requirement for your shield, making it slightly easier to run to the final level
 * You meet the requirement for your spear so can deal damage at Ilsundur with your spear
 * The enchantments reducing the damage have longer durations so that as well as being less energy intensive, the build is easier to run in laggy conditions.
 * Unlike the typical A/E tank {not using sliver armor} - you deal damage with your weapon.

I would like to say that I run A/P tank with only Way of Perfection and take GDW in place of way of the master. I use a +10vs piercing shield and have blessed insig on all my armor. also. my attibs are 16 shadow arts 10 spear 8 crit. but they can be arranged how wever you want for w/e shield you want. you can even repace gdw with a run shout. w/e but the extra enchant is redundant. just spam WoP. Feel free to contact me in game if you have questions  Lilith Deadeye. [build prof=A/P name="The Alternate Tank" sha=12+3+1 comma=9 spe=9][Shroud of Distress][Shadow Form][Dwarven Stability][Dark Escape][Way of Perfection][Great Dwarf Weapon]["I Am Unstoppable!"][Death's Charge][/build]

Umm
The A/N guide states your team members should heal you with ebon escape to prevent you dying from Shield of fire, but I can't see any ebon escape in any of the templates or variants. That being said with everybody auto attacking the boss and 6 or so evas's up the A/N shouldn't be dying anyway. Alcahmahol 07:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The guide is stupidly written tbh, just nobody can be assed to write it up. generally the A/N will use its healing skill if the damage reflected from Barbs gets to high. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  11:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

What about a sin with Finish Him instead of EVAS? 83.86.172.163 00:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What for? if you mean for killing the wurm/elemental boss - then not too bad an idea since cracked armor will increase damage, but EVAS is one of the highest single target damage skills in the game and is very useful. If you mean for killing Ilsundur then no, the -100hp is not going to do anything to the boss either, but I guess the cracked armor might reduce the armor of the end boss from 102 vs slashing to 82 vs slashing.. Also EVAS helps with bodyblocking the flame djinn on lvl 3.
 * You do get the occasional person with random skills like Finish Him! or Light of Deldrimor with them instead of evas, but theres no particular reason you shouldn't bring other skills - as long as the majority bring EVAS you'd be ok whatever you took.-- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  00:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

A/E + A/P tank ftw?
Kath Super Tank [build prof=A/E ear=12 sha=12][Shadow Form][Shroud of Distress]["I Am Unstoppable!"][Dark Escape][Armor of Earth][Way of Perfection][Way of the Master][Death's Charge][/build]

very good build; only reason required SoD is because of burning from spider arrows. Superior to both tanks and very userfriendly.-- gtfo of guild wars. You suck. --98.208.74.153 13:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * lol. A/P tank can deal damage, and won't have the costly energy from Armor of Earth AND he meets shield req. Also A/P has increased critical chance with WoTM :P pwned. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  20:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Armor of Earth... Costly"
 * Dwarfstab is always bestter than AoE, since it also affects the speed at which you gate. And A/P survives anyhow so why would you need more defense? Falrach 13:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you need Armor of Earth to gate GTFO of guildwars. You suck and shouldn't be playing. --98.208.74.153 14:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A/P tank is way better: deals damage, shield requirement met, damage is zero with recasting enchantments, does not need any battery EVER!, A/P is the best. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 15:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Stoneflesh Vs Armor of Earth
Armor of earth; Conclusion, Armor of Earth is better. --98.208.74.153 13:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Lasts longer
 * Does more than enough damage reduction to make pretty much everything hit you for 0
 * Casts faster, so less time spent on the pull
 * Prevents you from loosing agro, since you are snared.
 * Does not smell of old moldy dicks.

A/P Conclusion, A/P beats both <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer     15:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Damage is zero
 * No Energy problems
 * Deals damage
 * Shield armor
 * Less casting
 * No speed reduction
 * Prevents loosing aggro if you know how to properly pull!
 * Is not a dick
 * a/e is pug friendly. - Relyk 21:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The last few times I pugged we had a a/p.....just saying. Falrach 21:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Its obvious that the A/P build is the best option, but I wasnt comparing it to anything. I was comparing stoneflesh to Armor of Earth. 2 skills that provide the exact same functionality and are in the same attribute line. Comparing the A/P tank to the A/E tank is like comparing 600/smite with 55. They're 2 completely different things. --98.208.74.153 04:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Relyk, A/E is a bit noobish imo, every good team has a a/p tank. And user 98, I was just telling you we should remove the a/e and just place the a/p. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 13:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

A/D D/A Tank?
[build prof=A/D Sha=12+1+3 wind=12][Shroud of Distress][Shadow Form][Dwarven Stability][Dark Escape][Eremite's Zeal][Grenth's Aura]["I Am Unstoppable!"][Optional][/build]

This seems to work out quite well. Also, if one takes mystic healing or Mystic Twister the run seems to go much smoother. Innoruuk 16:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Stand and spam 2 skills? You cannot attack. Anyway, using a boulder to defend you from the ranged attacks will already solve any unwanted overpowered damage and degen. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 16:52, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes but this also makes the fight with ilsundur easier, and its self-energy management. I merely said it works and can make the run easier if you use mystic healing/twister. Innoruuk 17:06, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, at least the best thing this creates is a spot for dervishes. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 17:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * D/A with full pcons? and kill the boss in melee range, with all the evas bombs? Imo bring 1 VoSilence Derv with PI, and no Knock Lock.<font color="##157DEC">Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 18:39, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

A/R Tank
Basically, it takes whirling defence, and it explodes all the melee at once. Otherwise same as AP tank build but it loses one of the enchs [ you don't take much more damage since melee all die. if it weren't for djinns you could kill entire ball at once.]  <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  23:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * According to a guy who has run this, for the a/p build, you don't need to meet req for shield, so /R is ok. also IAU is optional,
 * [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  16:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  16:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Defend A/E tank!
No way you can say the a/p tank deals out more dps than a/e due to you have 2 optional slots you can use to deal out more dps easily ex. honor- max out dmg at llsunder. :D No bonder is needed if a tank is even half good. im not saying 1 is superior to other more they are equaled as a lil side note: a/e can solo kath much faster than a/p. :p And yes a/p tank build CAN solo kath.Jon.comgree 16:08, 31 December 2011 (UTC) Would also like to add A/E tanks dont need bonders or Shadow Form to tank. (they do need it to gate tho XD)

Removed Bonder
I removed the bonder build due to it is no longer used by many groups. I bet i could enter a pug team as a/mo and ask me wat i was i could tell them and some wouldnt even know wat i was saying. :DJon.comgree 16:11, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Shields
About the edits on the tank....most exp sc ppl should have command sheilds....not motivation...not tactics...not strength. The reason for this is that there are many a/p builds used in speed clears that utilize command skills. There are none that I can think of that use tac/str/mot, so inturn the only shields to be noted in sc's are command.--E.Snow 22:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If scers are anything like as retarded as the ones you pick up in vlox, the note might have been useful. it wouldn't suprise me if I found that most puggers don't look at shield req, only the mods. (e.g. if they monk in RA with tactics.. ) [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  01:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Hehe i dont pay attention to my shields req or mods X) its just something to use with my spear Jon.comgree 19:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)