User talk:Jaigoda/Archive 5

Cleeeeeeeaaaaaann. -- Jai . -  13:29, July 7 2011 (UTC)
 * That's how I like my boys. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 14:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Meta Tag
Hi, I was wondering if you (or any other lost soul who reads this page) could shed some light on the "meta tag" for me. I was wondering what qualifies a build for the meta category. Of course I understand that OP builds like Panic qualify for this category, but what about the UA healer build for example? This build is categorised in "good" so is it safe to assume that not all meta build have to be "great" builds, but just popular ones? If this is the case, I'm wondering if Discordway for example still deserves this tag these day. Vorpal  21:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're on the right track. In my alliance I see people asking for the discord builds daily (and never anything else, except maybe Sabway). Basically, meta is what is at least decent and is very commonly seen in pugs and in farming groups. The, for instance, isn't exactly the best monk build you can run, but it's easy to use and used by nearly every group that has healers in it. The UA healer could probably go either way, to be honest. It's moderately common, and is easily the most common hero monk healer build. -- Jai . -  21:26, July 14 2011 (UTC)

fuck you faggot dont edit what i edit i will fuck your life up
 * nou-- Jai . -  02:39, July 23 2011 (UTC)

User talk:E.Snow to User:E.Snow
Just so you know, new users can only create their own talk page. Hence a lecture in the edit summary doesn't do much good. I posted a workaround in the most recent news post (and linked it in the sitenotice), but I guess most people just don't read it. --  Toraen   talk  03:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes..it was the reason I put it in the talk page b/c I couldn't seem to put it anywhere else. I looked at the sandbox options but tbh..no one uses those and for a new user..they won't want to be the 1st to use an existing option that no one uses. If the "workaround" is not the sandbox option..I am confused.--E.Snow 03:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone has used the sandbox already to post their links. I just clear it afterwards so I know it's done. --  Toraen   talk  03:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, right, forgot about that. I remember one of the other users a week or two back that first found the issue, but it slipped my mind since then. E.Snow, I should have offered more explanation as to the whole moved page and everything, but I was feeling particularly lazy so I didn't do anything but move the page. If you need any help, feel free to ask one of the few people who are still around for assistance. Most of the elitist faggotry that has plagued PvX over the years has died down, so you might just end up having a nice time here. :D -- Jai . -  03:20, August 2 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. I am brand new here and do not quite understand how things work so plz excuse me. I have intentions of updating some of the Dungeon things..I guess as soon as my "4 days or whatever" is up. Should I put some of those in the sandbox for now? Oh and one other ?...do these comments and such count as edits? If not what counts as the (9 I think) edits that are required for me to have more access?--E.Snow 03:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, comments count towards your edits. If you need any page created, just create a link to what you want the name to be (place something like this: Build:Team - Dungeon SC ) in the sandbox. Another user will create the page for you so that you can edit that page. --  Toraen   talk  03:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Play gw-- Relyk 05:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * My fucking life told me not to. I should be back soon though, for about a week or two before I'll probably quit gw's for good. -- Jai . -  10:16, August 10 2011 (UTC)

Archive:Team - 7 Hero FoCway.
What is this I don't even.. Vorpal  08:11, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi
I had a whole paragraph written where I raged at you for being bad, but I figured your one-line insult to me didn't really account for it, and lolpvx. So I'll just say the only people supporting that build are shitty players at the moment. Roland 05:12, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * i like how you think it all becomes ok when you say lolpvx because you clearly care enough to write a paragraph because you got flamed and called a retard by Jai of all people. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 06:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a high ego and couldn't sleep so I figured I would respond and follow the average pvx'ers protocol of flaming on his talk page. Roland 20:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * i like how you were berated by Excluded of all people-- Relyk 06:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * i like how relyk's copying my comment format!!!1 Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 07:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relyk is the only person here (that I have seen) that doesn't suck a hard one at GW. Toraen is the only person here that is actually sensible. The people that are trashing the build are you, shadow form, and excluded, and shadow form has proven time and again that he cannot reason anywhere near properly, and excluded has been shown himself to be a scrub several times on PvX (see User:Excluded/physway debate for an example). -- Jai . -  12:44, August 27 2011 (UTC)
 * You're not pinning that on me still, are you? Physway happened a year ago :o. Anyway, it's still bad (no, not physway) Although I do acknowledge that we were trying hard to sell a team build that didn't do anything. It was a fun way to enter the PvX land, though.  Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 17:49, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll just not react to your ego. Le Shadow Form Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 18:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * @Excluded, you've never shown me anything to say that you've changed from that kind of terrible reasoning you've shown on that page (and others). Not to mention that crap is still the first thing that comes to mind when I see you. @SFS, I don't really have much of an ego, I just don't like you because of all the retarded crap you've done here (like the massive voting streak you did where 70% of the votes looked like you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about).
 * As a rule of thumb, I'm basically OCD about trying to change peoples' minds on a subject where I think they are wrong. It's nothing personal, I just don't like anything to be incorrect ever. I also say fuck a lot and flame people because PvX is the one place I can vent and because I'm a "good little boy" in real life. And I'm on the internet because I don't really like people all that much (though I'm fantastic at pretending and almost anyone IRL likes me) so I go where people can't know who I am and I try to shit all over them. /Jai'slifestory -- Jai . -  03:34, August 28 2011 (UTC)
 * cool story bro. But really, you said it yourself, I'm tarred with the stigma of something I did a year ago; "hey theres minion the guy who thought physway was good roflmaochopter", which isnt' really "correct". Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No you act like an autist, it has nothing to do with physway. Also don't troll jai, he gets butthurt easily.-- Relyk 04:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * >:D Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 04:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Tooooo easy... Le Shadow Form Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 11:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Pretty much. :/ Though I'll just laugh at any of Minion's attempts at trolling, I'm sure. Also, kyler has a sensitive topic as well, shown on my user page :D -- Jai . -  13:03, August 28 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Are you still a dick?  Anvil God  zzz... 02:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably. Are you still a retard? -- Jai . -  02:10, September 8 2011 (UTC)
 * How come people who come back after an extended period of time act like douchebags?-- Relyk 03:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. They don't actually give a shit. 2. They came back to troll b/c bored. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 03:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * AHAHHAA NIGA HILARYS LOL SUQ AHAHAHHAHAHHHA YOU RLY DAT SHIT BRO :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD -- DANDY ^_^ -- 10:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Dandy! <3 -- Jai . -  11:29, September 8 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think Dandy ever left... Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 14:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

hey
you're fucking retarded I hate you you should go crawl in a hole and die. you've started school right?-- Relyk 02:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * you're fucking retarded I hate you you should go crawl in a hole and die. Yeah, first physics test tomorrow. It's basically on three topics: one dimentional motion (distance, velocity, acceleration, time), two dimensional motion (the same stuff but with vectors for the first three) and circular motion. you started yet? -- Jai . -  03:44, September 14 2011 (UTC)
 * in 9 days, quarter class schools just have really late start i guess-- Relyk 04:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * fuuuuuck, my alarm clock reset itself and I have to go tell it what time it is. effort, wut. /slitwrists /goestobed -- Jai . -  04:09, September 14 2011 (UTC)

meleemancer
hi jai, pls give real rating not just "fuck no" (that's not a real rating or reason) There are some good points to consider so please tell me why it's bad in a 7h scenario. Ӎiñon  23:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://images.cryhavok.org/d/19012-1/You+Must+Be+New+Here.jpg

Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   00:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.voidspace.org.uk/gallery/silly/dont_hotlink_you_cheap_gits.jpg I was talking to Jai, see. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/73/He_Mad.jpg I raise another image macro to another. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 00:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://skrie.danoli3.com/no_U.jpg
 * Challenge accepted. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/coolface.jpg ^____________^ Vincent Evan  [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 00:57, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've got a feeling Jai's not gonna like this. Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 01:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

He'll probably still try to hug Vincent and aim his anger at me. Well, @Vince; I see your images and raise u moving pic. insert message about this not being rick roll yw  Ӎiñon  01:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 02:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

This section has Terran written all over it-- Relyk 02:41, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Image macros are much different to faggot video responses, sir. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 02:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

This is rather cute... And first off, any (and I really mean any) build that has Meleemancer in its name is retardation. Second, if you're going to try to do melee, you'd be better off with VoS. The fact that you have fucking Barbs in the optionals tells me you have no clue what you're doing. Also, I don't care whether you have PS or not. 20 armor is going to make everything hit 60's on you, and you'll die in exactly 10 hits, whether they be wands, flares, whatever. And of course, if it does get stripped (because enchantment removal is common in PvE, guys), you'll die about as fast as a 600 monk that drops PS. -- Jai . -  10:43, October 12 2011 (UTC)
 * meh, if you are secondary derv AND you're getting ench removed all the time, VoS would be the inferior option to unremovable HB. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  12:43, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If there's a good amount of enchantment removal in the area, you shouldn't be using PS, SoH, SoA, or any of the other enchants that are associated with meleeing. At that point you'd be better off just running a vanilla caster build. -- Jai . -  13:26, October 12 2011 (UTC)
 * You always use PS/Aegis. SoA is optional, but you can use a cover enchant (Aegis or SoA to cover PS) And it's enough when you have plenty of heals to survive until after you've blown up the mob. @Vincent; That's the best cartoon I have ever seen. srs  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 13:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

moo
MoP is in between the second and third question mark next to Barbs and Vow of Strength. Hundred Blades is hiding under the period.-- Relyk 11:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Splinter Weapon
 * 2) Melee character with any AoE attack
 * 3) Profit!
 * 1) Profit!

PvX:1RV
Hi, breaking 1RV is more disruptive than leaving a stub tag on a userspace build. Explain to him the situation, and when he knows what he did wrong, revert the change then to avoid breaking policy and spamming recent changes. Thanks! &mdash;  skakid  00:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Irony is since the tags were edited to check for the correct buildspace to apply the templates by Hhippo, its a very outdated policy that we don't use tags in userspace builds :/ [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  01:24, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * and when he knows what he did wrong, revert the change &mdash;  skakid  02:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Failed troll, ska. Try again if you'd like. -- Jai . -  02:21, November 5 2011 (UTC)
 * So you're not going to follow policy then? Looks like I'll have to resort to the Admin noticeboard next time. &mdash;  skakid  02:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's like a drunk dude that's driving past someone speeding and saying "hey, I'm gonna call the cops on you!" -- Jai . -  02:29, November 5 2011 (UTC)
 * If worse comes to worst, the guy who keeps slapping a buildspace tag in userspace will get a short ban for being dumb. No 1RV issues here. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:30, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah why not ban him instead of letting him know what he did wrong. He was probably a fag any guys, amirite? Glad to see the wiki in warm, welcoming hands. &mdash;  skakid  02:33, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If he persists after several warnings, why not? ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to understand something. You know how the wiki functions, you've been here a while (it seems). Do you remember when you first started? He might just think someone's fucking with his build or that he messed up somehow. Please don't think it's a good idea to ban new users on a first, extremely mild offense. &mdash;  skakid  02:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's what I did when I started using wiki... I asked questions or got others to do things for me. So no. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You guys are so lazy..when I started using wiki I just read up on all the guides and everything. Screw relying on others! Roland 05:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked at other people's crap and modeled my crap after theirs. -- Jai . -  05:28, November 5 2011 (UTC)
 * ^ ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 13:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Jai, think this through. A new user has just joined. They decide to make a build in their userspace, and add a tag onto it because they want it to be seen. They don't know that's the wrong thing to do. They go away for a while, and when they come back they see the tag's been removed, so they add it back in. They do some more edits, go away again and the same thing happens! What is a new user to do in such a situation other than keep correcting this mistake!

My point here is: It took you guys about 5 removals before one of you thought "hey lets leave a message on his talk page"... <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  13:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought he would figure it out earlier. Probably should have sent him a message earlier, but I guess I assumed that after it had been removed twice he might try to figure out why. But Ska's just making a big deal out of it because I called him out for troll voting. -- Jai . -  22:32, November 5 2011 (UTC)
 * Although my timing was convenient, are you saying I shouldn't have corrected your policy breech? &mdash;  skakid  23:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Considering I had already corrected myself, no. -- Jai . -  23:50, November 5 2011 (UTC)
 * Nowhere have I seen your "correcting yourself". Ska's intentions aside, he's right in that you shouldn't have reverted so much. In future let the user know after the first removal, don't assume they've read the policies, and know about the history tab + edit summaries. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  17:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * . And I already said that I should have done something about it earlier, but I was being lazy. But the problem was already fixed before he posted on my talk page (see the timestamps). -- Jai . -  18:04, November 6 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not about the problem being "fixed", ska's post was pointing out your broke policy. That's not something you can "fix" (If I go deleting the main page then a few hours later re-make it that doesn't change the fact I massively abused my power?). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  18:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you had reverted somebody a couple of times before telling them that they're breaking policy, I probably wouldn't care, no. :/ (going slightly by my previous example, should a cop give somebody a ticket for going 57 in a 55, especially when there's at least one other person going 85?) -- Jai . -  19:57, November 6 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll help you out here. I mistakenly breeched policy, apologize for it, and have learned from my misakes &mdash;  skakid  20:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I would have apologized first thing if it wasn't a such a massive hypocrite that was telling me to do so. -- Jai . -  20:28, November 6 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a case of caring. Also, your analogy doesn't translate very, it'd be more apt. to have said "is it fair to give someone a speeding ticket for doing 60 in a 50 zone, when there's somebody committing murder in the next town over". (at least, I'm assuming your implying the "80" is Ska and his troll vote(s)). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  00:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's more of a case of one going 80 and getting caught, then continuing to go 80 regardless. The guy who went 57 spends all his time fighting against the ticket, but the speed gun doesn't lie. He pays the fine. &mdash;  skakid  04:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was working under the assumption that the 2 policy violations were different types of crime, i.e. not comparable. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  16:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If we keep going by the same metaphor, it'd probably be similar to a cop driving by someone getting murdered while a guy is passing him going 65 in a 55. -- Jai . -  21:34, November 7 2011 (UTC)
 * Jaigoda still has 100% faggotry in his blood :>. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 13:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Anvil's still 9001% troll. -- Jai . -  15:27, November 6 2011 (UTC)
 * His trolling..ITS OVER 9000!!!!....WHAT?!?!?!?! Roland 20:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Which edit are we talking about specifically?-- Relyk 21:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Welle Sin, User:Welle Sin/Build:7 Hero Warrior, and . -- Jai . -  22:04, November 6 2011 (UTC)

I have a Proposition
Let's be friends!<font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   00:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Um. Okay. I guess. Yeah, um... Yeah. Just yeah.... Friends... A friend.... -- Jai . -  04:15, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * Read the history, it'll piss off Minion and Excluded. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 13:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

ahk script
sounds like a decent idea for a guide &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 04:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * o.O Maybe this weekend. I'm busy as shit (i.e. shouldn't be on here right now) until thursday. Two exams and an essay all on the same day, with two homeworks due before then. -- Jai . -  04:37, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * working on it, I always just got scripts off Tab though so gotta relearn this kinda. I'm surprised there hasn't been a page for that yet &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 04:42, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know nothing about how to actually write scripts, so nvm. Good luck with it. -- Jai . -  04:48, November 9 2011 (UTC)

Your ratings
Are you hacked or trolling? If not, what the hell dude!? <font color="Black">Vorpal  19:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * User talk:Toraen -- Jai . -  19:31, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * So you wanna prove your point by submitting retarded votes? C'mon.. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 19:36, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Except they each have valid reasons, ones that have been brought up (and never really refuted) many times in the past. -- Jai . -  19:38, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * Except that they are WAY out out proportion, and you know it. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 19:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And you're saying the 5-5 votes on just about any build here aren't out of proportion? No build is perfect, and that includes ER eles, shock axe, etc. etc. -- Jai . -  19:46, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * I just don't get why you act this way all of a sudden :( Did something happen or are there any ratings you're dissatisfied with at this moment, for you to react this way? <font color="Black">Vorpal  [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 19:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, this isn't out of anger of anything, but I figured it'd be easier to give examples as to how the vetting system is flawed right now than to write up a whole page about it. -- Jai . -  20:02, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * Jai, are you dumb? Where do you find Rend in PvE+human ERs know to cover. I shall take your rating to the top! ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 20:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, Chilblains, Strip Enchantment, Mirror of Enchantment, Pain of Disenchantment, Well of the Profane, Shattering Assault, Expunge Enchantments, Assault Enchantments, Dark Apostasy, Signet of Twilight, Disenchantment, Gaze of Contempt. -- Jai . -  20:12, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, note that it's votes like these that have caused almost every shitstorm in the past several months. Of course, I'll remove mine before that happens because, again, I'm simply trying to make a point. -- Jai . -  20:13, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * Your point is invalid, for good ER eles don't lose ER. Well of Profane is the only dangerous one, and that's not vs yourself but when protting melee. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 20:16, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ER vote, well, yes, it is a problem, enchant remove. BUT SINCE WHEN DOES THE A.I HAVE THE BRAIN TO ACTUALLY FUNCTION AS HUMANS?!? <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 20:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Well that was dumb. --  Toraen   talk  20:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The system isn't perfect but it's what we got; you'll have to deal with it. Troll votes and bad reasoning come with the territory. Protesting by trashvoting builds just creates shit for the admins (i.e. Toraen) to deal with. It won't help solve the problem and just makes you part of the problem.-- Relyk 20:17, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, troll votes and bad reasoning do come with the territory, so shouldn't we do something about it so that it doesn't affect (or affects less) the ratings of builds? I'm not advocating bring back BM's or anything, and I'm not saying Toraen and Phen should start going and removing any and all votes that aren't within the majority. However, I think there is a lot that we could do to make the criteria for vetting a lot clearer (because you know as well as I do that there are several arguments that get rehashed whenever a noob makes a new build). If it was up to me, we'd also have a more lenient policy for removing votes, but I'm not going to argue that one too much because I know Toraen and Phen are against that. Still, I don't think it's too much to ask to get something like this into the works so we don't have to get into the same arguments over and over across multiple builds. -- Jai . -  20:31, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * Only people like Skakid who are familiar with the wiki and display critical thinking would reason with comparing builds across professions. You don't see those kinds of issues with users that tend to only rate builds, who simply vote based on if they find that the build works well or not. Things like CuBuRe are common sense for any semi-intelligent person. It's simply impractically to provide stringent criteria for what a build should be. The ratings are what they are, you can't police every build for the rating you think it should have. Just trust our little community will be right most of the time as they aren't nearly as retarded as the rest of Guildwars.-- Relyk 20:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What was your point? If you talk shit you get shit back? I hope you don't really think RoJway is better... ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 21:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're replying to me (indent wtf), I hope you don't think 7HPS is better than RoJway... -- Jai . -  21:59, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * As if Player Support is awesome... <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 22:00, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In fact, tbh I almost would agree with my "troll" reasoning at this point, though maybe not quite as much as the rating I gave it would imply. RoJway is just as safe as 7HPS and has a lot more firepower. -- Jai . -  22:02, November 12 2011 (UTC)
 * I must agree with you. I just 5-5ed that 7HPS because its the only lame shit build accepted as some sort of "meta"-build for 7H <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 22:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's recap: PoD hybrid is strong, ignore the minion bomber for now, eSurge and Inept are strong, SoS and SoGM are strong and so is the RoJ monk. RoJway, while good, is only really effective with a melee player to anchor mobs. The bulk of your damage comes from RoJ, which is very glass-cannon. If they kite both RoJs, you're doomed. The support you get isn't worth it just to take RoJ when more mesmers or even Invoke ele heroes would be more effective. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 22:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Strong" <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 22:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There is so much fail in that comment that I'm not going to respond. -- Jai . -  00:17, November 13 2011 (UTC)
 * Or you could say why you think RoJway is better. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 00:26, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Roj brings divine healing/heaven's delight and versatile with optionals (10 spec ftw). You also get the condition and hex removal, one of the other reasons it's excellent for melee. If you aren't spiking, roj is usually for pushing kills rather than the bulk of your damage. You could go worse for glass-cannon, like running invoke eles.-- Relyk 00:47, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * For melee, yes, but for a caster? ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * GDA+IAU = tank. You don't have to run a melee build to ball shit. -- Jai . -  02:33, November 13 2011 (UTC)
 * lol GDA. I don't think gimping my bar with 2 PvE skills proves very efficient just to use RoJ. Seems more of a crutch for casters. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You do realize that your variant of 7HPS is doing nothing but switch out one of the RoJ's for a resto necro, right? Tell me, how does that make a stronger, less "glass cannon [offensively]" build than RoJway? -- Jai . -  03:10, November 13 2011 (UTC)
 * Because Mark of Pain follows the target and blows shit up fast. RoJ is slow, clunky and can mess up easily when simply "cspacing". I'm currently optimising Markway to make it more specificially a hero physway than just throwing two dervs in. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:08, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * MoP is crap when you're cspacing... -- Jai . -  04:14, November 13 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously your definition of cspace is a different one to mine. Cspacing still allows a small amount of weaponswapping for bow, but also remember that Death's Charge+already mobbed mobs+AP=doesn't really matter. Have you never used MoP outside of FoWsc? ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:31, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On heroes, yes, on a player, no, mostly because I don't have a necro anymore. Why are you talking about a specific profession? -- Jai . -  04:47, November 13 2011 (UTC)
 * The build is necro specific, but what you were replying to was generally, not profession-specific... What gave you that idea? Because I mention AP? I'm currently skill capping and using Glyph of Renewal, enjoying it actually, might use it more often. Next up is warrior skills so roll on meleemancer. p.s. minion bomber w/ no dn is pro. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 05:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Dude... I literally cannot figure out the crap you write. I have no idea what you're even arguing about ay this point. -- Jai . -  05:24, November 13 2011 (UTC) That is referring to Markway (trying to justify why I should think 7hps is better than rojway when I use this) ~  Ӎiñon  01:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Continuing on, using roj with a caster isn't that great of an option, where you can immediately spike with AP or other nukes. You still have to love the convenience of hex removal with aoe heals and possibly RoJ+YMLaD for spiking. It's still possible to spike with RoJ on a caster without balling if you bring Binding Chains on a hero. It's something you have to work more for otherwise you get rojs firing off randomly and not getting much done.-- Relyk 08:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * One smiter is enough, two doesn't add much else (similar to running two minion bombers) SoS hybrid/SoGM are strong in an offensive and defensive aspect; ghostshields and boneshields make things easy. Shared Burden tries to capitalise on RoJ's effect, so I'm pretty sure that is the expected damage output skill of the build, much like I use snares to keep foes in MoP's effect. But we're now talking 7HPS vs RoJway on casters. The paragon is trash, that option can be deleted on that page because it has 0 synergy. You already have FB on the RoJ and there are no physical augmenting skills like orders, barbs, mop or so. Panic is meh aswell but both of the mesmer bars are very mix and match. I prefer PI/Inept or eSurge. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 20:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Jai was comparing 7HS with Rojway on ambiguous terms. I'm pretty sure he considered it more efficient from the spiking aspect, which presumes a melee player. But if you want to talk solely about use on casters, I won't argue with that.-- Relyk 21:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I reckon this ends into nothing useful. On the other side, when did anything on pvx end into something useful <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 21:43, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * if excluded didn't spend the entire time arguing himself, these discussions would be much more productive-- Relyk 21:56, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why Jai was comparing Markway to RoJway when one uses a caster and the other uses a melee. And the pimary professions that can use it effectively are necro, sin and ele. Not sure on others yet, maybe an echo-mop mesmer, but I wouldn't be so sure... ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 22:05, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't follow, Jai hasn't mentioned Markway once...-- Relyk 01:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "You do realize that your variant of 7HPS is doing nothing but switch out one of the RoJ's for a resto necro, right? Tell me, how does that make a stronger, less "glass cannon [offensively]" build than RoJway?"
 * You skip a step since markway is totally different from 7HS; rather you should be arguing why markway is better than 7HS, and then argue by continuation that 7HS is better than RoJway. You can just as easily call rojway a variant of 7HS (7HS is the set of all team builds) for the same purpose.-- Relyk 02:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You do realize the 7HPS is 7 Hero Player Support (hint hint), not Markway, right? Everything I'm talking about there is about 7HPS, because you were talking about 7HPS as well. And you were arguing for 7HPS by saying you should add in the RoJ, which makes the build nearly an exact copy of RoJway except that you replace the second RoJ with a resto necro. How you got that I was talking about Markway when I'm saying 7HPS is absolutely beyond me. -- Jai . -  13:16, November 14 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm re-reading your comment, and it's making less and less sense each time. It's like you're trying to say I Am the Walrus predicted the (American) Revolutionary War. -- Jai . -  13:41, November 14 2011 (UTC)
 * I think he didn't know. Still, how wouldn't he be able to know? <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 15:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

AoB Dervish
Ok I've saved the build from deletion for a short while [rating is exactly 3.75]. I'm wondering about the order conditions are applied by it, is the burning on top or is the blind/cracked armor on top - so when you use reap impurities does it remove the burning or the other condition? If it turns out it removes the burning then the build is meh. I'll add some proper reasoning when/if i get a response. <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  07:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Alex; removing Burning>removing CA, I would have thought. Dem whirling derwish like big numbers and burning has no big numbers. EDIT: Burning= 14dps (compare with CA pls?) ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 10:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter. The conditions aren't what are providing the brunt of the damage. Dust Cloak and Staggering Force are used because they're the only two 6-recharge skills that are in the same attribute. If there were shorter-recharging flash enchantments (outside of PR obviously), it'd be using those, since TMS should be available every other attack, or every 2.25 seconds. The idea is just to pump damage as much as possible, which should be fine as you've already got an extra 20-25 armor (the last 5 being from an enchantment on you - SoH or Zealous Renewal or something) and energy management is great since you're getting 12 energy every swing of TMS. In fact, I think the build might be able to go without Zealous, but if nothing else it's another flash enchantment with the nice advantage of being free. Still, might definitely add Grenth's Fingers and/or Grenth's Aura as variants soon. -- Jai . -  12:04, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * Confirmed: Burning is not removed. -- Jai . -  12:17, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * ok thanks for that. I've decided to remove my vote completely since I don't have a dervish and tbh don't know how they perform in pve enough to rate it. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  12:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You should make one. They have by far the biggest damage of the three melees, and are in close second with wars for best defense. I don't really see a better profession for general PvE. --Jai.150.176.200.253 13:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm unwilling to delete my paragon or ele, despite not really liking running either. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  13:52, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Jai, I have adjusted my vote as you asked. It's 4-4 now ;). Have a nice day <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 14:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

"Toraen and Phen would be able to see that I pretty much only use one IP"
Unless you're using old computers and an OLD Modem from some terribad ISP (and unless you've set it up to be otherwise, which you only need to if you're doing network related things really), you will have a dynamic IP. So you might log in from the same machine (or two) but you might have about 10 different IP addresses as far as we can see (but it's easy to see you're using 2, potentially 3 different networks because of what the addresses are) <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  23:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Or if you're running over a wireless network access point ether-subnet with multiple dependent network attached storage devices you'll have one. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  00:01, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * was there a comma or word missing in that sentence? <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  00:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats the technical name for my setup, so no. :< [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  00:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * a wireless network access point ether-subnet (garbage jargon) , with multiple dependent network attached storage devices (so fucking wordy), you'll have one  &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 03:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really, you can create a static IP. Especially handy when port forwarding to speed up downloads. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 00:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: woops I see you already described that scenario in your (..) sentence, my bad. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 00:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Does that mean that proxies will be dynamic as well? I can't even really remember why I wanted to know that. -- Jai . -  01:52, November 19 2011 (UTC)
 * Proxies just give you some random IP which can be from all over the world, it will be different every time you use one. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 02:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not clear on the specific going ons of proxies (I think they have a list of IP addresses that they hold and assign users to them or something *shrug*), but basically chances are each time you use it your IP will be different. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  18:17, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Gun laws
I'm interested in your view on this, since you brought it up. Why would you/everyone be opposed? ~  Ӎiñon  00:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm against having things outside of simple handguns and rifles, for self-defense and hunting respectively (and I dislike hunting, btw, but other people do). Having more than that is just stupid, but since it's the second amendment in our constitution and touching the constitution is essentially heresy, there's no way we're going to have any real restrictions on guns for the foreseeable future. -- Jai . -  00:07, December 6 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh. It's also a matter of security vs. liberty. The more liberties you give away, the harder it is to predict what will happen outside of banning guns. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 00:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * When were those rules made? Surely they've been revised before... Wasn't it Lincoln that made them? (halp mah ignorance) ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 00:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Never anything of significance. Once it's in the constitution it's almost impossible to change it. Especially the original Constitution and the first ten amendments (bill of rights). In fact, a widely-held belief is that our government should only allow things that are in line with the original ideas of the Constitution. Thus, guns, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, and so on are untouchable in essence. And the rules were made in 1787 when the Constitution was adopted... Lol Lincoln. Ska, the domino effect has been proven time and again to be completely false. -- Jai . -  01:33, December 6 2011 (UTC)
 * you sure? Restricting gun laws means a bigger underground market means scarier criminals with bigger guns that you don't have. Or, that the police don't even have. Regulating things makes it harder for people to get it illegally (I knew a million places to get weed in high school, but couldn't get alcohol if I tried). &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 02:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would have expected the police to have guns and a greater presence. I think I'll have to find out what happens in the UK but I'm pretty sure if a criminal and a civilian were to aim a gun at eachother, the criminal wouldn't hesitate to shoot. People get permits for hunting rifles or permission to have a shooting range in their house, etc. I guess people feel everyone having a gun is a deterrent for crime? If that were true, there'd be alot less murder. I'm sure I read somewhere Lincoln added a speech on the end of it and was a racist. =/ ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I live in south phili, there's some shady characters down here. A big reason my house doesn't get robbed every night is because they're afraid to get shot. If they roll up in my house with AK-47s, I'm fucked .&mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 02:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Lincoln was a bad racist- Roland 02:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Banning them would be the way forward but theres already too many so the black market for them would be too big so it would just keep a criminal element but take away the protection one. I mean, in england, we have pretty much no gun crime at all and cops dont need to carry guns, ive never even seen a gun irl... shoulda just had it that way in the first place! Rawr 09:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I recall we used to get policemen in airports with ak47s a couple of years back right after the terror threat :p 138.38.62.21 13:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Make Jai happy
Think of it this way:

If most people on the wiki, who are more knowledgeable than the average player, don't like a build, neither will the rest of the gw community. I can disagree all I want, but if people don't like it, let it be trashed. That way we only keep builds that are effective and that people use effectively. When it comes to niche builds like resto rit lord and er dom, a majority of pve players won't like using them. If people don't like to use the builds, what purpose does it serve having them on PvXwiki? It's not about what builds you or I find effective, it's what the community as a whole finds effective; that's what makes the wiki such a great resource for builds.-- Relyk 08:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * But the community likes stuff like Discord!? The majority of PvE players are not pro and actually run things like a resto rit Relyk, when Excluded or someone else posts a pug builds everyone here hates on it. Anyway, it's become impossible to get any new build vetted here because there are always 1 or 2 douchebags who are gonna rate it 1-1 for some reason and you'll need a lot of 5-5's to compensate for that, which aren't here anymore. And things don't get easier when the build itself only deserves like a 4-4/4-3 rating.. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 13:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no way to make people follow the vetting rules. Trust me. No matter how many warnings you throw out, people still compensate-vote. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 17:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No skill changes makes it also very difficult to invent new builds <font color="#ff0000">Shadow Shadow02122011.gif <font color="#008000">Christmas Signature 17:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think misery said it best: the wiki is intentionally designed to make it difficult to get non-meta builds vetted.-- Relyk 22:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What Shadow said, no major changes since derv update like..9months ago? means most of the "good" builds have already been found and are being used. Roland 23:51, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There should be a surge of builds being archived and introduced when the Hard Mode update comes into play in Jan. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 23:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What? They're actually going to make a big update to gw soon? that seems dumb since gw2 is so close..I might have to reinstall gw when the update comes out to see if anything good happened.. Roland 00:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It will be coming with the third instalment of the Cantha stuff, but all it really is is just Hard Mode foes have more health and less armour. It will mean builds like Icy Veins nukers/hybrids, melee (ya rite) and invoke eles will be stronger than ever before. Looking forward to it. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 00:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, eles will actually have alternatives now and melee can do more than tank/use buffs? Amazing, about time they fixed that. Maybe I could actually use my ele for than pvp at that point.. Roland 00:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Fuck
I might have to make an elementalist now. Also, this is a new low for a PvP update. They should have split almost every single one of those skills.
 * Not until after Christmas I think. (update postponed.) -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  12:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's coming either way. -- Jai . -  12:03, December 9 2011 (UTC)

zzz
Stop making yourself an easy target for Skakid and Veran. It's annoying to have them jump on your case every chance you give them. Bitch about in your head or something.-- Relyk 08:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with bitching, I have problems with namecalling and other childish acts. If they were targeting me then I'd ignore it, but telling inexperienced players that they are stupid is severely fucking counter-productive. Just calm your shit Jai. ApplesaucePancakes 08:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If anything, harassing Jai doesn't help either veran. Let the admins deal with it.-- Relyk 10:13, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do. ApplesaucePancakes 10:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Fianchetto's been here for a while, and he should realize by now that before he makes changes to the mainbar he should check that it's actually possible to put a second copy of the skill on the bar. He even said that he should have checked. I wouldn't have blinked an eye at a few insults had I been in that position. -- Jai . -  15:59, December 12 2011 (UTC)

Talking to Jai
"You can't have two triple shots, stupid." While ApplesaucePancakes behaviour has been inappropriate, this is also unacceptable. I know your consider your intellect to be superior to your peers and that you don't even consider this much of an accomplishment, but I suggest you gain some perspective. Just because someone doesn't realise you can't take both the Luxon and Kurzick version of an allegiance skill at the same time doesn't mean that they are stupid. All you had to do was link them to the relevant page on GWW and inform them of their mistake. This is the kind of behaviour I expect. If you can't be arsed to explain why they are wrong, you can tell them that they are wrong without calling them stupid. If you can't even bring yourself to do that, say nothing. That will prevent you from receiving administrative attention. A new misery 10:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The best way to become insta-relaxed is send Wikia Curse a message, asking them to change your name to "Dandy". Then you put a "^_^" in your signature and tell everyone to have some gingerbread when they go all pouty [and slutty (not a reference to certain brilliant porn stars)]. If anyone would bother reading my contributions from over half a year back, I'm venting my feelings about PvX'rs universal autism by telling them to "do the behavies", while subtly and ever so gently trolling them, for how they don't make themselves seem particularly charming or intellectually endowed. Much like I'm doing to you right now, but it feels oh so good, doesn't it, babe? :> (PS. ^___^) -- DANDY ^_^ -- 15:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm genuinely sorry that I didn't realize this became Carebearwiki. I will rectify my behavior in accordance. -- Jai . -  15:45, December 12 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude(/dudette?)...I don't really care, as you could probably tell. The shitstorm on Misery's talkpage was funny though. Misery you played Cave Story?Fianchetto 16:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, dude. -- Jai . -  16:36, December 12 2011 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to add, ApplesaucePancakes was way overreacting and what he said was worse than anything I can see that you have said over the past few days. For the record, I have no problem with you saying things like "You don't need another fucking RoJ", but people will listen to you more if you don't swear at them. A new misery  17:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh Jai you used to be such a good boy as well... Athrun Feya 20:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Lau! How's Euroland? <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 20:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? I've always been an ass. -- Jai . -  20:50, December 12 2011 (UTC)
 * I prefer people being pussies, or at least dicks. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 04:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

calc test
i hammered the entire semester of calc II into my brain 3 hours before the test. good luck heh &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 19:30, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * fucked up 2 problems, out of 35. Could be worse. I'm just hoping I did well enough on the other 33 (and that those 2 don't have a ridiculous weight) that I manage a B, which will give me an A for the course. We'll see on Tuesday... -- Jai . -  20:58, December 14 2011 (UTC)
 * If it makes you feel any better about your 2 fucked up problems, I've spent 18 hours straight doing CAD work for this shitty design project on hydraulic rock breakers. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  22:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Calc 2 was easy, engineering class was designing a planar...-- Relyk 22:37, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The stuff in Calc 1 really isn't hard at all, but I just had a teacher that was a bitch. Probably good though because now calc 2 will be a lot easier. We'll see, I guess. -- Jai . -  00:12, December 15 2011 (UTC)

7 Hero Mercenary
Just say 7 Mercenary. "Hero" is redundant. Nvm you fixed it. --  Toraen   talk  01:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I was about 30 seconds ahead of you. -- Jai . -  01:57, December 16 2011 (UTC)

New Computer
Runs GW at 300fps on max graphics without breaking a sweat, and I haven't even tried overclocking. 24 inch monitor. Massive upgrade from my laptop, which struggled to keep up 30fps and required a laptop fan/stand with my ceiling fan running at the highest setting, just in order to keep the computer from overheating and shutting down. I'll write up the specs soon. -- Jai' s Crappy Christmas Sig...  -  18:01, December 26 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, damn, I need a new laptop... It's 3 years old...  Shadow Enter 2012 18:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Offensive
Fuck yoooooooou~ Go get GA for when danny gets back ;o rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 21:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I might.... My laptop is retarded in all things and said it didn't have enough hard drive space for it (even though I did), but my new computer should be quite fine in that respect. We'll see. -- Jai' s Crappy Christmas Sig...  -  21:23, December 26 2011 (UTC)
 * Woot >:D rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 21:32, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, check out my fucking amazing specs (in sig -->). -- Jai' s Computer -  21:33, December 26 2011 (UTC)
 * Kk, tonight we'll see how crappy this GA is. -- Jai' s Computer -  14:13, December 27 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw go buy dark souls for ps3. Game is fucking retardedly hard. It's awesome. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Oi1Tw2Zj8 rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 23:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

whoops
Android fails at text editing. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 05:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, kk. I take it back. -- Jai' s Computer -  05:15, January 2 2012 (UTC)
 * xD didn't even link to the right thing in this header, jesus. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 05:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, my tablet is fucking annoying to use on PvX, so I can understand. I still lol'd, though. -- Jai' s Computer -  05:21, January 2 2012 (UTC)

Wb
Pre-emptive. <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  19:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Over at my sister's and can't resist. Hi! :D --69.246.163.213
 * Haha, hey Jai, almost-welcome-back wishes from  Shadow Honor The Elementalists! 20:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Saying you've only got 3 hours left on your ban is still evading your ban! True story. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  20:35, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Owned. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 20:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fix'd [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  23:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

AP Elementalist
Yep, I realise you're wanting to trashvote it. "only AoE in the optionals causes scatter." - Churning earth doesn't cause scatter. Chain lightning doesn't cause scatter. Meteor shower is shit, but still doesn't cause scatter. Would you be kind enough to fix the reasoning? <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  09:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * trashvote
 * Overall - 3.8	  Jaigoda   Last edit: 16:13, 15 Jan 2012 (EST)
 * &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 18:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Any thoughts on new ele skills?
In particular, I was hoping you might have some insight into a 7-hero setup using elementalists for the heavy lifting - damage, prot, healing and such. Viridian 16:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Run RoJway but with EA ele's instead of the smites. Command stuff on one, and whatever you feel like doing for the other. Also, who is you? -- Jai .  -  03:43, January 24 2012 (UTC)
 * Me? No one of consequence. I just asked because you seem to be fairly smart and you've commented a lot on team builds. The new doublecast ele skills are pretty powerful now, and I was thinking that maybe they could be used to good advantage in a hero team. Thanks for the idea, I'll give it a try. I was hoping to come up with something more than just RoJway with eles, but it's a good start. Viridian 19:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not incredibly original. XD Creative builds don't do much for me; I'd much rather just have something practical and practically indestructable. -- Jai .  -  00:36, January 26 2012 (UTC)
 * Cute. You still call it RoJway without RoJ <3. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  03:55, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As in, run the same build as RoJway but just without RoJ. Probably more accurately EA/flameway at that point, but the names are pointless anyway. -- Jai .  -  04:55, January 24 2012 (UTC)

Problem
Gotta turn this in for physics 2, and was thinking the PvX'ers might be interested in it. It made me feel smart and hopefully it will for you too!

You have a line charge that lies along the x axis from x = - 9.2 cm to x = +8.0 cm, and you want to find the electric potential on the y-axis at x = 0, y = 4.55 cm. The line charge density as a function of x is given by λ(x) = (800μC/m * x) / 0.172 m where x must be in m.

Part (a) Draw a diagram of your version of the problem, and use it to set up the integral for V. Show your work clearly. Turn in this part of the problem, along with a printout of your version of the problem, at the start of class on the day this problem is due. You can also turn in your evaluation of the integral, but that part will not be graded.

Part (b) Evaluate the integral to determine the electric potential at x = 0, y = 4.55 cm.

The answer is -0.443MV. Have fun! -- Jai .  -  07:10, January 26 2012 (UTC)
 * Enjoy using that useless piece of information countless times in the future. *snicker* <3  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  10:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * hmm, either you dropped some info out, or the line density goes negative when x is negative. which would be really quite bad :p - <font color="CornflowerBlue">Athrun <font color="CornflowerBlue">Feya [[Image:Athrun snow sig.gif]] 11:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The density in jai's skill level goes negative ;>  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  11:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's charge density, so a negative charge isn't a problem. Rask is just jealous that he can't solve it. :D -- Jai .  -  14:09, January 26 2012 (UTC)
 * yes, we are both crazy jealous of your high school physics knowledge Fianchetto 16:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Rask going hard. Ps I sense some mad. Also I took an exam today and this was a legitimate question:

I keep the clock in the kitchen running 0.3 ms fast in a paltry attempt to encourage me to get to my own lectures on time. How fast and in what direction would a rocket have to be going so that, with respect to the rocket, the kitchen clock and the atomic clock in Greenwich are reading the same time? (The distance between Greenwich and my kitchen is 112 km.) Physics tutors have a strange sense of humour. :< PewPew   QQ   16:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually I am pretty envious. I'll have to take physics in college and it wasn't offered at my high school.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  16:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * lol that's a more interesting q. did they give the rocket's altitude, or do they allow approximations? Fianchetto 16:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We didn't do this shit in my ap physics class-- Relyk 19:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is college Physics, second semester. Also, looking back the problem isn't incredibly interesting, but probably the combination of getting it on my first try and it having been 2am at the time made me quite deliriously happy and compelled me to post it here. Also, for that problem, PewPew, I'm not really sure what type of problem that is. Are we talking just being "ahead" because of distance, the same way that Eastern time is ahead of Central time? Is the rocket's speed in relation to the earth or space? Is it talking more about the fact that time isn't actually constant (though that wouldn't seem to have an effect on the time difference)? Or is it simply asking how fast it'd have to be for the rocket to travel 112km in 0.3ms? The last option is horribly boring, and is actually physically impossible because it surpasses the speed of light (3.733*10^8). Also, is this physics 1, 2, or what? -- Jai .  -  04:34, January 27 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a relativity question, so it's asking how fast would the rocket have to travel relative to the clocks for them to appear to be running the same due to the time dilation. (Greenwich is in the same time zone, so there's no worries there.) So you'd travel in the kitchen --> Greenwich direction with the velocity v, we require that t'=0, so you re-arrange the formula t'=γ(t-vx/c2) to get v=c2t/x, with x=112,000m and t=3*10-4s so the rocket needs to be travelling at 2.41*108m/s or 0.8c to get the dilation of 0.3ms, which is pretty fast for such a tiny change really. You don't need the altitude, because no matter how far away from the clocks you are the effect would still be the same. You wouldn't physically be able to read them, but you're in a rocket anyway so I don't think that's a particularly worrisome problem.
 * Oh and it's part of my Motion + Relativity module at uni. Good fun. PewPew   QQ   15:07, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Altitude would make a difference, but it depends how semantic you're being. Reason being the strength of gravity is different at different altitudes (they've proved this by having an atomic clock on earth and one up in an air plane and when they got them back together they'd fallen out of sync!) <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  15:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * But the clocks are both on earth at the same altitude, and the fact it's a rocket is essentially irrelavent :< PewPew   QQ   15:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * you're not comparing the two earth clocks, you're comparing rocket to earth. i asked because we used to just assume altitude to be negligible compared to earth's radius, but the choice of 'rocket' over, say, 'pigeon' leaves room for some grav time dilation. anyway i'm glad you're enjoying the class. make friends with the tutors, they'll give you answers. i did when i worked as one during undergrad :P Fianchetto 16:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's why. I've never done relativity before, hence I had no idea how to do that problem. I was kinda on the right track of the part with time not being constant, but I don't any more knowledge of that stuff than just a few tidbits I heard over time. Sounds fun though. -- Jai .  -  03:39, January 28 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia random crap in your spare time like me and easymode.-- Relyk 03:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Or just play global agenda like a boss.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  04:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Archive
I JUST saw that as you fixed it. Thanks Jai. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   15:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wooooooow, I overlooked that one...  Shadow  Talk  15:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

GA
Spamspamspam.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  10:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

lol?
 RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  05:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Your rating on Markway
Do you read the discussion before rating? I already brought up the fact that a water bar wasn't the best for the slot, albeit Deep Freeze on a hero would be shit. Why not just fix it? It's the only team build of it's kind, I see no point trashing for one or two builds. I might just edit it myself, if no one minds. Soi Sticker 23:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's best to fix things before you ask someone to change a vote. His vote doesn't lack reasoning so you're kind of going out on a limb with the vote policing.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  02:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Jai voted on the build for specific reasons. Don't rag on him because he is able to edit the build page. That's not how things work here. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 02:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well no, I agreed with him. But I also don't know what would better serve the team than that water bar. Double Dragon is stupid because it's just damage, another mesmer or something I suppose. But anyway, I just wondered why you wouldn't want an obvious theorycraft build become a good build by the support of your hand. Soi Sticker 03:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I dislike Markway, to be completely honest. As it was previously, it wasn't horrid, but now it is and I'm not going to waste time trying to fix it when I find it to be a fundamentally flawed build. The only reason I hadn't 2-2'd it from the start was because I knew Minion would have gone apeshit on me for weeks if I had, so I settled to make sure it didn't get put in Great. -- Jai .  -  04:08, February 10 2012 (UTC)
 * Are those your thoughts based on the current revision? Soi Sticker 04:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The ele revision. Now it's as decent as you're going to get while relying on heroes to trigger MoP for most of your damage. -- Jai .  -  04:30, February 10 2012 (UTC)

Curious
Do you people hear Jai in your head as "j-eye" or "jay"? 'Cause if it's the latter, I'll be sadpanda. And yes, this is utterly random. -- Jai .  -  04:12, February 24 2012 (UTC) /font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Jaigoda|
 * J-eye. Jay rhymes with gay, so I guess you're insecure and that's why you're asking. Soi Sticker 04:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Jay"goda just sounds wierd, that's all. It'd be like calling someone named Isaac as eh-sack. -- Jai .  -  04:36, February 24 2012 (UTC)
 * If you wanted it to sound like Jaygoda, you wouldn't have spelled it Jaigoda.-- Relyk 11:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I actually vote wiped that build. Turns out I probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. -- Toraen   confer  08:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that didn't show up in history for me and I saw nothing on the talk page except for people saying it didn't work in GvG/HA. I figured it was just another build from Wikia that never got any votes on it. I'll stay away from that build from now on. -- Jai .  -  12:46, February 24 2012 (UTC)

Surgeway
Retarded vote comments incoming! <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex 14:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Because unlike some other Robin Hoods, I can speak with a british accent! -- Jai .  -  14:30, February 28 2012 (UTC)
 * C'mon Jai, not funny. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 16:04, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

omfg wtf nob surge beat inept u not gt brain or smth Rawr 21:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It is kind of funny vorpal. I love how they accuse me of vote balancing constantly when I 5-5 all of their good shit, yet they pull crap like this 24/7 XDDDD  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  21:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Vote balancing is for the simple minded. I simply vote because I care! <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 22:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I vote because I don't care-- Relyk 23:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't care because I vote. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 23:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Srsly though Jai, Surgeway deserves a 5-5, don't circlejerk a great build just because Alex killed his cat.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  23:39, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I copied Rawr's vote, not Alex's. And I'll remove it once this pointless fucking shitfest between dual Illu and dual Dom goes away (Mis removed it). You're all being retards, and it's bringing good builds down in the process. -- Jai .  -  05:07, February 29 2012 (UTC)
 * carebear <3-- Relyk 06:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I hereby donate to you a ^________________^

Take good care of it. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 13:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You literally just made my (otherwise very shitty) day, Dandy. Thanks for that. <3 -- Jai .  -  22:33, March 14 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't poop on you that much.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  22:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that came from my back-to-back Calc test and Physics lab, all on about 3 hours of sleep. And some other stuff. -- Jai .  -  00:03, March 15 2012 (UTC)
 * Does that mean you're up for an encore of last night?  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  00:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My CS final was the midterm with a few extra problems tacked on. zzz lazy teacher-- Relyk 03:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My nano midterm was multiple choice that I went to this morning drunk! zzz easiest module ever. Pew   Pew ♥   15:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

new xkcd toy
http://holistic.xkcd.com/ time to spam those BestGore links!-- Relyk 17:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Saw that a few days ago. -- Jai .  -  03:14, March 17 2012 (UTC)

Piece of Shit Soi Sticker
NPA. I am mortally wounded by that comment. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 04:29, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wut. I was as careful as I could manage to not personally attack you or Alex, despite how oh-so-tempted I was to do so. I said you were fuckers, but no more than that. And if that's the worst you can handle, then you're in far worse shape here than I thought. Ups, forgot about my vote. Considering how much drama you've caused, you kinda deserve it, but nevertheless, I'll change it... -- Jai .  -  05:06, April 11 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't cause any drama; you're the one who voted poorly. Did you ever get to reading Relyk's piece on AP Ele? Or have you realised you've made a mistake and ignoring all confrontation? ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 06:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * .... I had voted the build as good, which most will agree is what it deserves, and I didn't trash vote it until you started causing drama. In fact, nobody besides Rask would have bothered with trying to trash the build if you had just taken a chill pill and gotten on with your life. I've also told you this about 10 times now, and I'm obviously talking to a brick wall, so it's not like it matters. -- Jai .  -  11:12, April 13 2012 (UTC)
 * Stop saying you're talking to a brick wall, it doesn't make arguing with you any harder/easier. There were always issues with that build, even when I was just lurking, there was this silly argument about it just being a discord caller... So there have always been troll votes. You also do realise, saying you *had* rated it Good, doesn't compensate for the fact you've 0-0'd it now. I'd like you to fix your rating based on a non-biased or "fed up" opinion, thanks. Let me just add by saying you are causing the drama currently by knowingly wrongly trashing a build and not expecting any consequences ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 17:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "I didn't trash vote it until you started causing drama." - So you've changed overall rating of a build and therefore the perception of the build by people who visit this site just to get back at someone? Seems like the mature thing to do. Random Weird Guy 17:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Soi, your logic is incredibly backward, and I don't care how hard/easy I'm making it to argue with me. But if you're going to continue running in circles, I'm not going to bother discussing with you. And no, I am trashing the build because I believe it is a trash build, not some ulterior motive that you seem to think I have, and I'm being 100% honest when I say that. In fact (and this is addressing Random Wierd Guy as well), I tried avoiding drama as long as possible by voting it good even when my reasoning implied it was a trash build because I knew, well, what has happened now would happen. I just didn't give a fuck enough to explain ad nauseum why it was a trash build, so I didn't bother trashing it in the first place.
 * Listen, it's obvious you're not giving a shit what I'm saying, so unless you're willing to work with me here then I don't see any point continuing all of this. I've sent you an email through PvX with my IM. If you want to continue discussion there, I'll be on all of Sunday and other random times and I'll be willing to listen to what you have to say. If not, then I'll no longer be responding to anything related to the AP ele bin uild unless an admin calls my vote into question. -- Jai .  -  02:13, April 14 2012 (UTC)

I don't care if you leave it 0-0, but fix your dumb reasoning jai. Preferably something less trivial than how long it takes to cast a spell or complain about how you don't have enough time for serious discussion.-- Relyk 20:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a bit all over the place, yeah, though most of my reasoning is on the talk page. If an admin does want me to change my vote's reasoning, I will. Otherwise, you're probably right, but cba. -- Jai .  -  02:13, April 14 2012 (UTC)
 * When Relyk bothers you about a bad build just tell him that it doesn't use an axe and he'll leave you alone. Warrior's Pride... [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 03:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering
In other parts of the US (and elsewhere), is Calc 2 widely considered the hardest out of all the calc classes? Almost everyone I know says that Calc 2 is a bitch and Calc 3 is easy in comparison. While I won't take Calc 3 until the fall, I didn't think 2 was hardly any harder than 1. Anyway, was just wanting to know if everybody thought this or if it's just the schools in my area. -- Jai .  -  03:24, April 14 2012 (UTC)
 * Depends on what those courses cover. I can't remember where the cutoff was for me between Calc 1 and 2 (partly because I skipped calc1 in college due to my AP calc in high school), but 3 was basically just expanding the previous stuff to 3(+) dimensions. As long as you have a firm grounding in 1&2 you should be fine if that holds true. -- Toraen   confer  03:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not worried. I'm fine in math, but I just wanted to see whether things were different around the country/world. -- Jai .  -  03:30, April 14 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 and 2 are building blocks, 2 being more difficult due to integrating having special cases. Everything else (calc 3, differential equations, etc.) just build on those foundations.-- Jarad 03:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Calc 4 was hardest for me, thrilled to get a D out of that class.Yoyoma 04:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Calc 2 is pretty much integrating techniques, calc 3 is 3rd dimension along with other stuff. I don't know about calc 1 cause AP calc.-- Relyk 06:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have a good friend who skipped AP Calc and just took Calc 2 in a college class. He said it was easy and was all about focusing on a certain topic I think. I'll talk to him later to find out. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 13:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh GOD
What is rask doing now? 04:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Trolling himself off the wiki. -- Jai .  -  04:12, April 21 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I question if you even know what the word troll means. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 06:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A troll is a mythical creature living in the mountains. So, you are a mythical creature in the mountains. --  Sh @ dow / /  Haze  15:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you ever seen a mythical creature with a computer? Chonsy  Rulez   11:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * you take me serious? --  Sh @ dow / /  Haze  15:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Shadow you have a magical ability that allows you to not understand jokes. Chonsy  Rulez   14:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Jai
NOBLACH! </BIG> 03:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * nomnomnomnom. -- Jai .  -  03:14, April 27 2012 (UTC)
 * Lick my knob. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 03:21, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Rant was about a comment from Trish on crit axe being "unusual"-- Relyk 07:30, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about! [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 14:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Derp
I kind of forgot the exact order of events, but either way you fucked up. If you voted with that terrible reason first and Rask spammed it in "revenge", you need to learn what a WELL tag is and use that in such situations. Improve your voting reasoning. If you copied that terrible reason afterwards I don't know what the hell you were thinking, but I don't think that is the order events occured in. Stupid voting extension having retarded methods of storing information. A new misery 07:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, Rask was the one who copied my vote. WELL is generally frowned upon when a build's in testing (and especially when it's trashed). The build was already trashed without me, but people were being retarded and saying that it should be vetted because it's PuG meta. My vote was a response to that, though maybe I should have added a little more reasoning. Rask was just trolling. -- Jai .  -  17:31, May 2 2012 (UTC)
 * Apply a WELL tag whenever, doesn't really matter if its stub/trial/testing. <font face="Constantia" color=SlateGray >Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx  18:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ If it is inappropriate we will ignore it and tell you that you are bad, but voting poorly is never acceptable. A new misery  20:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Your Vote on FoCWay
Your reasoning suggests that it should it be archived. If the ability to have three mesmers arrived, then the only point of running of this has been diminished rather than build itself. "There's really not much need for FoC anymore." Keyword is anymore. If you want, revert your vote and I'll definitely promote the idea of archiving of it. But, if you don't even want to do this, re-visit your reasoning for the vote. Thanks mate. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   20:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm really tired today so sorry if this sounded jaded. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 20:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I was never really in support of storing it so I personally think it shouldn't be archived, but if there's a consensus otherwise, I won't get in the way. The mesmer update was just my excuse to outright trashvote it. -- Jai .  -  20:41, May 15 2012 (UTC)
 * The HM update and the fact you get strong spikes from triple mesmer hurts the build. I doubt people used it in the first place because they're shitters (/rage). And you are allowed to downvote outdated builds; if they get trashed, they get moved to archival. Thank Toraen for being such a good admin and taking such into consideration.-- Relyk 21:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the HM update means that more builds could be more viable. Having another build boost does not mean that the build should be trashed because what was reasoned to why the build was good in the first place was about the build itself, rather than other teammates. Imo, it should just be archived. People are creating the tendency to trash builds because they are no longer viable whereas they should archive them for being outdated. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 22:32, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The end result is an archive either way, and at least if it falls into trash I have a clear, "this is no longer in favor", message. Granted the talkpage can be used to say the same thing, and if someone cares enough they should throw on an archive-pending tag to start discussion anyway. -- Toraen   confer  23:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

AP ele fun
So Jai... I'm trying to work out the link between your rating and your reasoning. That last line about not spouting that it has better damage than ele's other options... What kills a single foe faster? ~  Ӎiñon  21:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Jai took the road of single target damage sucks. Don't ask a loaded question.-- Relyk 21:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but his claim doesn't make sense in a team game... Of course you have to assume the average hero team, but generally it's full of AoE damage (lotsa mesmah) ~  Ӎiñon Minion_Watching_Jew.jpeg 21:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do 100 singletarget dps when you can do 100 AoE dps? It's simple logic minion, also we assume builds are run with a hero team, as any player team will operate better with pve skills and the such. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 21:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What I meant was what that 7H team would look like. Also, nukes rarely cause such high DPS since cool-downs are horrendous. ~  Ӎiñon Minion_Watching_Jew.jpeg 21:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * AP Fire Ele is OP, and EBSoW/AoS are broken as shit when nuking. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Hence why I am following Jai up on his rating. Repetitive spike power on one character is better than everyone on the team having pure AoE domoge. ~  Ӎiñon Minion_Watching_Jew.jpeg 23:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No it isn't Minion. There aren't prot enemies in pve, plus considering the amount of shutdown you get from triple mesmer, single target spike damage should be considered extremely redundant. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 23:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, you base all of your arguments on "pug groups for zquest" and whatnot, but we don't store builds for questing, we store optimal builds for competitive pvp and optimal or meta builds in pve. "liking" single target damage isn't a valid reason on a vote either, AoE damage is better, and AoE damage also hit's the main target. AP Ele was a silly gimmick that is now outclassed due to the ele update. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 23:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This doesn't seem to be going anywhere new. Ya'll done? -- Toraen   confer  00:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I'm talking about using AP ele bars in 7H teams, I thought I made that abundantly clear. I think the only time I argued "pug groups for zquest" was the Rit lord party healer. Anyway, since the Hard Mode update, it hasn't nerfed the AP Ele (Air, Earth or Fire) because of several factors. 1. it was a blanket nerf to everything and a buff to elemental damage so they met in the middle. 2. HP was raised, but people still use E-Surge for their nuke, meaning it takes longer to kill those priority targets. AP Ele helps gun them down and shut them down while they are alive. @Toraen; I just really think 1-1ing a build that has been so prominently used and tested over the years is absurd to not be considered poor voting. My voting was removed when I low-voted Discordway a long time ago, when it was popular. The reasoning was sound, but it was still removed. ~  Ӎiñon Minion_Watching_Jew.jpeg 00:12, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * By all means, if you'd like to let the build be archived, I'll be all for that. Until then, my vote will be a trash vote because that's where I believe it belongs. Do also note that I've trash voted the 7H discord build. =P That aside, AoE damage >>>> single-target damage, and it's not like EA can't nuke the shit out of single targets as well. And as I've mentioned in the several times my vote has been called into question, I've got plenty of defense on the talk page. Unless you have something new to say (highly, highly unlikely), discussion of the AP ele is closed for me. -- Jai .  -  03:20, May 16 2012 (UTC)

p.s. Toraen; if you want me to discuss this somewhere else, let me know. Seemed like the best place since it's Jai's rating people are copycatting. ~  Ӎiñon  00:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Standards of vote removal are not the same as then, which was pretty long ago (roughly back when BMs were still a thing). Admins removing votes happens a lot less now and that isn't going to change. You can try to argue with Jai, They, et.al. and convince them that the build is better than they think it is, but you haven't covered any new ground in the debate yet. Also, a better place to continue discussion (if there's anything new to be said) would be on the build talk. This has gotten rather involved for a user talk discussion. -- Toraen   confer  00:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Troll builds
In the userspace aren't warranted to make a point. RtL is the strongest shadowstep in the game, the only thing that makes it worthless in PvE is that it's in Air. Had it been in Deadly Arts or Shadow Arts, it would be fine. 2-2ing your own build is odd, although it was Relyk that made it look moderately acceptable. Instead, you went for Smity's caster daggers template for full-troll mode. So what was the point? Were you trying to prove single-target damage is bad? It's not, but there are better professions to get single-target damage from, generally. However, as a human controlling a 7H team, taking the single-target yourself is usually optimal. Any caster can frontline now with the help of SoA, Shelter and Displacement, and it helps for bodyblocking for your heroes to unload AoE. There's the elephant in the room. Heroes unload AoE. You seem to have some misconception over how much difference your AoE adds to the heroes' output. It's marginal and you'd get better output by either proccing Splinters with that ele dagger bar, or spiking single foes with can hinder your group's progression. I believe I've explained AP Ele's pros to the inch of it's life. The problem trying to argue with you rationally on this subject is you view single-target damage pointless and no one can change your mind. I'm leaving that debate for someone who cares enough to personally tutor you in the mechanics of Guild Wars. I'm glad that person isn't me. Try watching this and reading this Also inb4 fanboy. ~  Ӎiñon  01:29, 19 May 2012 (UTC) 05:00, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * How mad can one scrub get? Only time will tell. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 01:50, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Out of date video a little?-- Relyk 02:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol my build being the "smity" version. WotEP is not a new concept. Another thing you should realize is that I was a supporter of caster daggers pre ele-update (and still am for monk). However, that "troll" build I posted does BETTER damage than AP in both AoE and single-target. It has better utility as well. And yet everyone knew from the start that it was a troll build. So then how is it that the AP ele, which is an inferior build to one that is pretty obviously going to be trashed, anything other than trash itself? Also, youtube and guru, those be like top-tier players and all. -- Jai .  -  02:38, May 19 2012 (UTC)
 * BUT IT'S JEYDRA JAI, HE'S SO DREAMY! [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 02:47, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't have to agree with what you read, Jai, but reading it at leasts opens that possibility of realising something you didn't understand. I'd recommend reading the whole ele forum before rating again. ~  Ӎiñon Minion_Watching_Jew.jpeg 03:16, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You can suck my dick, Minion, because I'm not voting again. Guru is filled with scrubs, and is not to be taken seriously under any circumstances. You linking to Jeydra's shitty guide is not helping your case. On top of that, you seem to have gone out of your way to make me dislike you even more than I did before you were banned or after you evaded said ban for three months. You can stop now, because there's nothing that you can do or say that is going to compel me to change my vote. As usual, if an admin (or someone else that I respect in any manner at all) calls my vote into question, then I'll surely modify it accordingly. Until then, please kindly fuck off, as you're only wasting everybody's time posting on my page. -- Jai .  -  04:01, May 19 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not helping your case by not reading into how to play ele. ~  Ӎiñon Minion_Watching_Jew.jpeg 04:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not helping your case by continuing to post on my talk page when I already told you that I don't give a shit what you say anymore. -- Jai .  -  04:09, May 19 2012 (UTC)
 * You ignored my case and responded with aggression and NPA, so lolwhatelsecanido. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 04:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Derp, I hope you realize what user you just posted from. -- Jai .  -  04:18, May 19 2012 (UTC)
 * utterly.. fuckin... hilaaarious..  A kio   Akio_Katsuragi_Sig2.jpg 04:47, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesn't change anything, he was found out long before he dove into the depths of tardception. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 04:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * its funny. cuz everyone on the site i've ever "argued or been annoyed by" has turned out to be the same person. excluded said tank and spank. that annoyed me. minion trolled stuff to. and i got in an arguement with soi once over some rit thing with att's. its rather funny. i sensed it.. i'm jesus. have to be. they is rask. jesus knows that.  A kio   Akio_Katsuragi_Sig2.jpg 04:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyAZWpdRBi4 "We know this."
 * Jeydra's guide is quite good. The shitty part is trying to argue with/against it.-- Relyk 07:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ I have no doubt the man is fucking pro tactix hax. I still am not convinced that AP ele is good though, you can clear DoA HM with flare spam if you're competent enough. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 08:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)