User talk:Guild of Deals/Archive 22

You guys spam my talk page way too much for me to have 21 archives TBH. -- * Wah Wah  Wah! * 13:27, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So I herd now that you have GvGed in a sub 1000 rating guild that you are pro? - Misery  Is  Grumpy  [[image:miserysig3.png|19px]] 13:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 13:29, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

First
^ Ace (LVPoW) 13:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

tbh you soon got 25 archives like I do. My talk page have kind of died away. God box    13:33, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Correction: 24 archives. God  box    13:34, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ... i dont even have an archive. Ace (LVPoW)  13:35, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Nor do I, I'm so unpopular on wiki, quick, everybody spam my talk page!!! -- Crow is  PhatNThat  21:38, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * no archive for me, either ... will i ever be as popular as GoD? sigh ...-- reason ' . ' decrystallized    In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys.  07:36, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * i dont get it though. my talk page is 149th most linked to page. Ace (LVPoW)  10:18, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I only have one. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş [[Image:Mgrinshpon Piplup sprite.gif|15px]]  ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ  15:43, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

probably doesn't change much, but I added Infuse Health, the Soldier's Fury Paragons, and another optional e-management for the Tainter (who, when energy gets tough, can stop maintaining Tainted Flesh on those that aren't being attacked anyway, and just Foul Feast any Disease that gets around for energy management). I'm pretty damn protective of the builds I submit. >.> ــмıкε  нaшк  22:36, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

"Right! Spike this...!"
"... 3, 2, 1! ... WTF GAIS?! osht our monk's dead. ups we just lost a frontliner, too." True story. Happens all the time, actually. Makes me have baggy sad pants. - 04:36, 12 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Get a braver backline. Or at least a decent one? -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] Srs Beans R Srs  05:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ --Tab  Moo  05:44, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Meh. The backline would be fine if people would actually spike when asked. Frustrating as fuck when someone calls a spike and nothing happens and then he rages and people are like "I was blind and blurred so I couldn't spike." - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 05:50, 12 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Ok, get better communication. Such shit should be shouted at your back/midline and removed. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] Srs Beans R Srs  05:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh good. You caught on to what I was hinting at with my original post. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 05:55, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I wand when people call spikes, that extra 40 damage rockz  Frosty  No U!  06:00, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I Steam them. It's awesome to blind their backline to prevent them from wanding. God  box    07:39, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Our Team composition (Do it right pl0x)

 * Shock Axe Warrior (Dutchess Of Rose/Thunda): Pressure the enemy monks. Use your chain as said.  Look out for misplaces people.  Ex.  If opposing warrior is in our backlines, 321 spike them to fucking hell.  Once you see that the foe's Energy is starting to run out, call a spike on them please.


 * Hammer Warrior (Ojamo/ Guild of deals.): Pressure their monks basicly. Make them waste some energy. If you must, switch between monks to make their energy QQ.  When you see them casting less spells on allies, and call the spikes (on the WoH probs).

BTW: Ojamo is pretty much always not on for gvg, so guild u gotta learn the warriorz pl0x.


 * Incendiary Arrows Ranger (Frv or whoever wants to): spread degen. ON EVERYONE.  Make it RC food.  Keep spamming.  Interupt mesmers.  GG.


 * Snare Mesmer (Godliest): Godliest is very good at this so he can be the snare mesmer. Basicly focus everything on the opposing frontlines and when a spike is called, snare the target and cover it, because monks nowadays only have one form of hex removal.  Always coordinate.  If one warrior is blind and theyre standing together, HELL YES use blurred vision on both of them.  Try to keep the Warrior with a hammer blinded please, because blinding the axe will definitely help with pressure, but hammers and getting knocklocked could be avoided by our backlines.  If you get lucky with the 40/40 set just keep blinding both warriors but try to keep the hammer blinded as long as possible.  Also, if blind or blurred is removed by the foe's monks, use Icy Shackles on the wars because that will really piss them off.


 * Pblock Mesmer (Frosty): Frosty is very good at this, therefore he should stay as this.  Basicly just Pblock the RC whenever you can, because the RC is very powerful with protection spells and basicly their while bar is all protection, so it will be a ranged 15 second blackout.  Once this happens, you can actually call a spike on that target.  The WoH monk cannot actually "Protect" them (unless they have prot spirit).  If you do P-block the Rc, Pressure the WoH with Diversion and shame.  So now both monks are shut down thanks to frosty and then the warriors and paragon can spike (if we can get that to work).


 * WoH Monk (Steel or Brenden [or if they is not online then Tab]): Just Fucking heal everything below 50% health.  Infuse is your friend tbh.  If their health is 0% and they are suffering from deepwound, infuse them.  Their health will shot up and then immediately WoH yourself.  Unless you can manage energy, being GoLE.  Keep prot spirit on the RC whenever they are getting spiked, and on yourself and allies when they are getting spiked (from what ive seen the crappy foes go for our frontlines instead of our backlines :P).  And btw plz dont patient spam, patient is good when you have an ally with like, say 60% health and nobody is spiking them.


 * RC monk (me:Crossfire or Brenden [If im offline]): I gotta work on my energy, but other than that Condition relief on allies was great.  Spirit bond, put it on an ally that is like about to get spiked (you can tell if their HP drops a little).  Aura of Stability really actually helped a lot when the WoH was getting spiked, or when frosty and Godly were getting spiked,  Aura just helped everything.  OF course RC everything.  If the foe is running condition ranger, RC basicly turns into a ranged mending touch with 70 healing for each condition removed.  If you have blind or daze, call it please.  Also  if you are hexed, call that too.  Maintain Holy veil on frontline so the ranger can D-shot the mesmer snaring.


 * Caltrops Runner (Frv/Blackened): Run the flag. Imbacripple foes with Caltrops and spike support with caltrops please.  Use heals on the guild lord and our allies.  Partywide Heals are good and I thank you for that.  Keep recuperation in a spot where the foes cannot hurt it, because partywide mending is good.  Thats basicly like your whole team is immune to poison but nothing else.)

We need to work on spikes. Practice in temple of balthazar pl0x?-- 10:12, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Why would we practice in the temple? Anyway, it's more like this:

-- * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 10:15, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Pressure
 * Kill
 * Flag
 * Profit!
 * Profit!
 * We Prctice in the temple to coordinate spikes. We (You guys) need to learn 321.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 10:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol, you can't find a Paragon? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 10:24, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh, drop the paragon for a ranger, fake gank, make people go, LOL RANGER GANKING LETS GO KILL HIM. Plus then we have something to stop the enemy mesmer shitting the monks except me.  Frosty  No U!  10:27, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You make me so fucking sad it's hardly true GoD; if you're going to make a south park reference then you better do it fucking properly: 1. Pressure 2. ??? 3. PROFIT!!!! And you got it wrong Xfire; Blackened usually flags, Dutch is sometimes war too. And ranger is powerful pressure. God  box    10:30, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You shouldnt need to spike to kill, and even when you're forced to spike (against rawrway and shit) then I have no idea why it needs practice. Everyone presses a skill button when someone says 1. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 11:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Better comp: Wins games. Assign each slot to whoever does it best and stick with that until we kick ass at it forever.--<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 10:29, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock Axe
 * Rip Axe
 * IA Ranger
 * FC Snare
 * Pblock
 * WoH
 * RC
 * Flagger

We practically always do this:


 * Shock Axe
 * Optional Frontliner (Rip Axe or Magehunter's Hammer)
 * IA Ranger
 * FC Snares
 * P-Block
 * RC
 * WoH
 * Xinraes, CC, or HC flagger

--<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 10:32, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well a big "Fuck you" to you, too, guys. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 10:49, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ?--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 10:50, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm referencing the lack of "Panic" appearing in the team compositions I keep seeing. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 10:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It wasn't me, TBH. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 10:53, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)I'm usually not mentioned either.. in your case it's because you don't ever GvG with us. In mine it's that I'm always the forgettable flagger. Flaggers get no love ;_;--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 10:54, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Flaggers get plenty of love. Flag without vent for a memorable GvG. Misfate  10:56, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Misfate is brave flagger. I have no idea where you came up with retarded usages like that though O_O &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 10:58, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Mr Misfate is brave. Also, fuck all of you. Especially you, Rawr, you silky geordie. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 11:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You're an american that lives in Scotland. What can I say. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 11:10, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Say you'll love me and we can break all sorts of laws together. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 11:14, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Such as? &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 11:16, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Kidnapping, sodomy, statuatory rape, aggravated assault, beastiality, parking on a double yellow, and perverting the course of justice for a start. Anything past that point will be crimes of opportunity. And of passion. Always of passion. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 11:18, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Assault. Passionate. But why wait until we're aggravated? &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 11:20, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Because I fucking said so. Now get in the car and let's go. We've got a busy night ahead! - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 11:24, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I could probably play cruel spear if no one wants to monk. [[Image:Effinsig1.jpg|19px]] Brenden effin  failz  14:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

zzz
Sun is shinin' in the sky,

There ain't a cloud in sight

It's stopped rainin'

Everybody's in a play

And don't you know

It's a beautiful new day.

Runnin' down the avenue,

See how the sun shines brightly

In the city on the streets

Where once was pity,

Mr. Blue Sky is living here today.

CHORUS

Mr. Blue Sky, please tell us why,

You had to hide away

For so long where did we go wrong. Hey there Mr. Blue

We're so pleased to be with you

Look around see what you do,

Everybody smiles at you.

Hey you with the pretty face,

Welcome to the human race

A celebration Mr. Blue Sky's

Up there waitin' and today

Is the day we've waited for

CHORUS

Mr. Blue Sky, please tell us why,

You had to hide away

For so long where did we go wrong.

Mr. Blue you did it right,

But soon comes Mr. Night,

Creepin' over, now his

Hand is on your shoulder,

Never mind I'll remember you this way. CHORUS

Mr. Blue Sky, please tell us why,

You had to hide away

For so long where did we go wrong.

--<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 10:13, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Man, I love that song. XD Electric Light Orchestra was one of my dad's favourite bands when he was a kid, and I think we've even got an old vinyl ELO record with that song. =P ــмıкε  нaшк  11:21, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

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My mum's family comes from Antigua -- Crow is  PhatNThat  10:59, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

FURST! v
God box    10:58, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Second! -- Crow is  PhatNThat  11:07, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I already called first. <font color="41 69 E1">Ace <font color ="#0099FF">(LVPoW)  11:22, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Ups, just remembered
I'll dig up some vids and guides on warring properly for you. Show them to the other wars too because I was too busy not paying attention to see who they were. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  12:23, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Show pressuring for tykes. I'd get it, but I don't wanna load up QQ on these internets. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 12:24, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Chiizu warring 1 (+vent recording)
 * Chiizu warring 2 (+vent recording)
 * Guide to playing a pressure war
 * Defensive skill animations
 * Spike calling
 * Qknocking (although that's mostly down to practice and getting a feel for it)
 * Tommy's essay on being good at gw
 * rawr match + vent recording (how to win by spiking)
 * rawr Dec. Monthly final + vent recording --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  12:30, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Heh


Yeye? Pretty much have constant anti-spike on everyone is nice, along with big life stealing spike. --<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 16:35, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Idk.. 20% with 600 health is 120, I don't think that a single source would deal more than that. Apart from that, 50 hp steal even with nearby range is pretty weak, no? ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  17:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Cmon, not even HA scrubs are dumb enough missing protting that spike. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 17:06, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lifesteal --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  17:06, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * heal party -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 17:07, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I meant kiting. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 17:09, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Grasping Earth, Ward Against Foes, Freezing Gust, etc etc... --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 07:50, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Nono. For GvG; pre-prot spam guild lord and drop ashes on beside him and generally be a complete asshole xD God  box    07:53, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Except odds are it won't kill him, and life stealing doesn't count as damage, therefore not towards the DPS on the enemy Guild Lord. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 07:55, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Does L/S count in like the damage reduction guild lords have in the beginning of the match and then decrease throughout? <font color="41 69 E1">Ace <font color ="#0099FF">(LVPoW)  09:37, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

There is no chance in hell you will have grasping, WaF, or freezing on a spike target. They will only hit one person, (since people arent that dumb) which just calls for a prot alongside the fact that you stand next to them for 2 seconds. And dont give the lifestealing bs, without cstrike this does like 350 damage... -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 10:07, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * DW, however. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 10:08, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Less defence than a 1 mo backline, no viable ench removal, easy to prot, easy to kite, obvious target etc -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 10:11, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Error 404
/kick-- Crossfire  10:38, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ERROR 404 EDWARDS PANTS ARE HOT. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 10:39, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I like carrots.

-- Crossfire  10:41, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

MASTER OF MAGIC OWNZZZZ
[build prof=Elementalist/Monk EnergyStorage=12+1+1 HealingPrayers=12][Master of Magic][Flare@12][Stone Dagger@12][Ice Spear@12][Lightning Javelin@12][Mending][Resurrect][Restore Life][/build]

YAY NOW I CAN SPAM MY FAVORITE SPELLS! --<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 11:07, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * BOO!! Lightning Strike sucks.  LIGHTNING JAVALIN FTW!!! --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  11:14, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * FIXED!!! --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 11:14, 13 August 2008 (EDT)


 * CAUSE 4 0sec-RECHARGE SPELLS IS TEH WINCAKE. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  12:27, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This, this, this, this, and this. tbh. [[Image:Ojamo_Sig.jpg|19px]] Ojamo  Tell Me I Fail  12:30, 13 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Or just gw:Rend Enchantments. 0 Fire/Water/Earth/Air olol -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  12:34, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I meant those as reasons why there are 4 0 recharge spells on the bar tbh. [[Image:Ojamo_Sig.jpg|19px]] Ojamo  Tell Me I Fail  12:36, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Even if you get Diverted, D-Shot'd, Power Locked, Power Blocked or Disrupting Chopped, you've still got like 3 back-ups! ــмıкε  нaшк  12:53, 13 August 2008 (EDT)


 * But 2 need a dead ally! You've got Mending, so those 2 of your back-up plans won't ever work! -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  12:58, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Warrior's Fucking Enduranceway
If you don't make a GvG Team build around the WE Scythes and WE Hammers, I will, and it will fail hard because I'll probably put in an Orders Dervish or because the Hammer War would be able to KD Lock with Dark Fury, Infuriating Heat or Mark of Fury. lol My assumption for a balanced Team (I could be completely wrong, but whatever XD) : Just a rough outline of the composition. I knew you had the idea of a Warrior's Endurance build (somewhere in your archives), so I'm giving you first dibs. =P ــмıкε  нaшк  14:32, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * 1 (using Wearying Strike over Pious Assault, and maybe the Burst of Aggression+Sprint variant)
 * 1 Archive:W/A Endurance Hammer (maybe with Dash instead of Sprint, or just Death Pact Signet instead of Rez Sig)
 * 1 Archive:Mo/R Melandru's Support Smiter or
 * 1 Utility Ranger (likely Archive:R/Mo PvP Crippling Shot or )
 * 1 Domination Mesmer (Build:Me/any PvP Power Block?)
 * the (but with  instead of the RC)
 * 1 Archive:Mo/any WoH Flagger/Archive:Rt/A Hidden Caltrops Ritualist (party heals like Heal Party and Protective Was have sexy synergy with Aura of Faith)
 * Orders and VS flaggers are both bad, and that build you described isnt balanced -- The proceeding Cute McPiplup was added by Rawr. 14:38, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's why I said I'd probably fuck up the build and put in some shitty flagger. XD That's the closest thing I can think of to being Meta-ish because I'm pretty baed. =P ــмıкε  нaшк  14:42, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Warrior's endurance is still bad. It lacks disruption; which gives alot more kills then big dps. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  15:53, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's what constant KDs are for, but if they aren't enough, I suggested a Dom Mesmer and a Cripshot. Dervs don't usually have disruption, and tbh, the Endurance Hammer out-DPSs and out-spikes the Endurance Scythe (because of high Hammer Mastery, I assume), but not by a lot. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:03, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

GoD
<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 00:26, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Moar IPU plz. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  01:29, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/, imo. Though the invisible pink unicorn is also awesome.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 01:43, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * His noodley appendage feels so nice on my bare skin. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  01:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I really hate that image. It has so many fallacies, yet so many people think it makes sense :/
 * God can be malevolent. Hell, look at the old testament. He wasn't exactly peachy and cheery. That doesn't make him any less of a god.
 * Then it says "Then whence cometh evil?" which is a red herring. Big no-no in logic. (Red herrings basically say "I can't prove this guy wrong, so I'll introduce something totally irrelevant so people ignore how wrong I am!") In this case, Epicurus is assuming that, because god is willing and able to prevent evil from existing, he will do so. Which is stupid, since letting it exist doesn't prove that god is incapable.
 * Did I mention I hated that image? - Auron 02:05, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Can't argue fallacies really. Ever read the bible? The entire thing is begging the question, among others, I'm certain. Moar IPU, less lame defense. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  02:28, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The concept of free will answers all of those arguments to be perfectly honest. If god were to intervene when ever some nut job decided he wanted to blow up a building, or or start a genocide then that would in fact defeat the purpose of giving us free will in the first place. If mans will is to do evil then evil is what he will do. Qe sera sera. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 03:08, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If god truely gave us free will and is no longer able to stop us, that means he is not all powerful. If god is able to stop evil (and thus ease suffering), but chooses not to, that makes him malevolent. Either way you look at it, your wrong.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 03:29, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Your confusing the inability to do so with the decision not to. Let me give you an example, I have a gun, thus I have the power to stop a thief from stealing from my neighbor (Which would ease their suffering) but I choose to not use my power, does that make me malevolent? Just because God chooses not to exercise his power does not make him evil(Unless of course he is using it to do evil). ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 03:49, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Your example is bad. There would also be other risks to think about like whether the thief has friends, the psychological trauma of killing somebody, etc. Here's a better example: a city has a bomb in it, put there by some evil guy. You have the ability to stop it just by thinking that you will stop it (because your all powerful). It also costs you nothing at all (also because you are all powerful). However, you just let the evil guy destroy the city for no apparent reason. By having the ability to stop it, but not doing so your essentially a conspirator. I would definitely say thats being malevolent.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 04:13, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ups. Your example is bad now. You're assuming that by saving everyone in that city it will cost you nothing. Assume instead that the city holds a mix of child rapers, serial killers, nuns, Red Cross workers, and everything in between. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 04:16, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ups. If you were god you could stop all of the child rapers, serial killers and all the other things considered evil.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 04:27, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Your example is also bad, because it suggests that god also prevented someone from trying to stop it from happening, but in reality there are several things that had to happen first. Where did he get the materials to make such a bomb? Why do these materials exist? What drove this evil man to do this incredibly cruel thing? When something bad happens what is the normal result? It is not easily ignored by the rest of the population, it gets people thinking about those important questions as well. You assume automatically that God is a conspirator because he chose not to stop it, but if he did stop it what would that accomplish? There would be no lesson learned, No one would try to prevent this from happening in the future. ﮎHædõ๘  یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 04:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, because of that Christian belief of "Free Will", you'd have to kill 'evil' people to stop them doing what they want. And that would make him malevolent. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 04:35, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Also... Consider someone who is both Omnipotent and Omniscient. God is supposed to be such a creature, but that's a contradiction. It's impossible to know all that is, was, and will be and also be able to do anything you please. On the flip side, assume that God isn't "all" knowing and powerful, but only "mostly" knowing and powerful. Assume he's just really powerful, but bounded by "physical" restraints. What if he took a risk that didn't pay off; giving Man free will in exchange for the ability to stop them from interfering in his master plan? What if sending himself in human form to us with messages of hugging and happiness was a last ditch effort to stop us from destorying that plan? What if there is no heaven and by becoming man he effectively went on a kamikaze mission? - 04:35, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wouldn't being "All Powerful" suggest that he is above physical limitations? I'm not quite understanding why it is impossible to do both? ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 04:45, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes it would. Which is why I said assume that God isn't "all" knowing and powerful, but only "mostly" knowing and powerful. Assume he's just really powerful, but bounded by "physical" restraints. And the reason you cannot be both is this: If you were all knowing, you would know exactly what you are going to do forever and always, otherwise you would not be all knowing. If you were all powerful, you would be able to do anything you want at any time, otherwise you would not be all powerful. If you know what you are going to do forever and always, then you cannot do anything that you don't already know about. Thus, you cannot be all knowing AND all powerful. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 04:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That made my head hurt. Or another possibility is that you could use the ability to see the results of what you do thus giving you the power to change it. ﮎHædõ๘  یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 05:02, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * @Shadowsin, if god stopped everything evil, there would be no need for lessons learned.
 * @Panic, if he is unable to stop evil without killing, he is not all powerful. And if he is not all powerful, all knowing, he wouldn't be god.
 * @Everybody, is it just me, or does religion seem like one big paradox?<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 05:04, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * AFAIK, God is God because of what he has done, not because he has limitless powers. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 05:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

tbh:. Make a topic and try telling them that, you'll get 5 pages of debate in no time; and arguments that are actually good. God box    05:50, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * pianc mctheological debate --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  05:52, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * When it comes to religion, I like to get people thinking outside the box. Most religious debates come down to people aruging harder and harder with "facts" that can't be facts because they're based on faith or anti-faith. For instance, what if God created a universe he could not directly influence and interact with? Or what if "bad" things happen because they need to in order for the massive trail of dominoes called life to keep ticking along to the ultimate goal? - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 06:03, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Found a religion with me. It can be called with PIANCism or Emuism. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:07, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The North West Southern Protestant Scientelogical Baptism Church of Panic and Tab of Latter Day Emus (Polytheistic Eastern Right) - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 06:11, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * We know that our great Unicorn is invisible, and we have faith that she is also pink. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  06:13, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Specifically; 255, 100, 177 in RGB notation. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 06:22, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Thank God I am an Athiest.  Frosty  21:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * you forgot /sarcasm, I hope.... ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 21:57, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well done, you caught on to the joke :)  Frosty  21:58, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Why would god care about one city, he aced sodom or w/e himself. The concept is that people accept him and put faith in him so that he takes care of the big picture. He wasn't meant to be understood, on one side the religion was written up by power mongering peepz abusing peasent folk, or on the other it is a life challenge to look beyond your eyes and accept that you aren't the biggest fish.-- Under Gunned  22:12, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

(reset indent)this argument makes the assumption that God being 'good' means that his end goal is to make everything all hunky dory for everybody. a supreme being would have a fairly different definition of 'good' than humans.-- reason '''.  decrystallized '  Shock is a costly interrupt. '' 22:15, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Refer to nearest religious book of your choosing and try to summarize the entire thing, then use logic to figure out, unless you have a personal belief, but then you may or may not be shooting in the dark. Neither one of those are very good options either though really. All the doomsday crap floating around it could be total anniahlation anyway, but since he is all powerful it dosen't matter too much-- Under Gunned  22:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Since I'm here, I may as well chip in. The bible is true because God wrote it, and God is real because it says so in the Bible. FALLACY(spelling?) Ojamo   Tell Me I Fail  22:22, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * your entitled to your facts, though in my opinion the most he got out was the ten commandments, assuming i'm taking the christian approach. Not everyone is so steadfast in the bible, or any other religious text..-- Under Gunned  22:29, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ups I'm bad at religion. [[Image:Ojamo_Sig.jpg|19px]] Ojamo  Tell Me I Fail  09:27, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

ATHIESTS

Spelling is hard tbh. Also, why not make a Bible yourself, stating "The writer of this book is God". Then state "It's in the Bible, look! I'm God". In the end, you're still the sucker you see in the mirror every day. It does not make you allmighty. God is world's best spread propaganda, ever. (or, you could say G.O.D.: Global Overhaul Device, which in turn is a good song for those into Metal). -- › <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  09:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm pretty sure there's more Hindus in the world than Christians. Also, the world's best spread propaganda is that Prostitution is the world's oldest profession. I deny this; surely Pimping is actually older since before someone can exchange sex for something, they must first make the deal that sex will be exchanged for something. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 09:51, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What about independent prostitutes? =O ــмıкε  нaшк  09:58, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They pimp themselves. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 09:58, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

A Challenge, good sir, to a battle on the field of honor.
My guild challenges your guild to an unrated battle on the field of honor, tommorow night, do you accept? ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ  21:43, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I vote yes. But our guild might be a dictatorship. Whatever. [[Image:Ojamo_Sig.jpg|19px]] Ojamo  Tell Me I Fail  22:17, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! 5 pm EST 10 pm GMT be ready! ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 22:29, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's a damn nice sig I made you, Shadow. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 22:34, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It is. Havn't changed it since <3 ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 22:36, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

sup  —Ska Kid  22:35, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh, we are fucked unless Tab and Ska brave mcfrontline for us... But I'll try to be there.  22:58, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh, we are fucked. fixed. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 00:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

GO GIBLE! we doing a pokemon battle right? -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk  ( Talk * Contributions ) 07:41, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I'm not an officer anymore. Skakid demoted everyone except Panic and Frosty and Tab's other account. So really, it's not my guild. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 08:09, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Percey Lightbringer is far more than just my other account. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  08:10, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Percey Lightbringer is a way of life.  Frosty  08:29, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Percey Lightbringer is the embodiment of bravery, honour and strength. Many powerful euros have vanished, never to be seen again, upon meeting his gaze. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  08:31, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Hey bbz
r u playing against me, shadowsin, skakid, rawrawr, panic, and various others tonight in lol gvg with the pvx guild? -  ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ   ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ  15:21, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Probably not. Also, Rhys? --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 15:22, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * no, this isn't, why? -  ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ [[Image:Manstick Sig.gif|19px]]  ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ  15:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * my IGN is petey the pistol. -  ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ [[Image:Manstick Sig.gif|19px]]  ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ  15:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Eh, just wondering. Probably won't GvG though. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 15:25, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * why not :< -  ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ [[Image:Manstick Sig.gif|19px]]  ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ  15:26, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Because the last thing I want is a bunch of asshole PvX'ers getting gigantic boners over killing me than just laughing like a bunch of assholes. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 15:27, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * various others u mean infestedhydralisk ;o -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 16:02, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * 1. why would we rofl at you? and 2. I'm warrior, and i run dual sups and frenzy through ineptitude <# -  ᅳʍęɢgąʈɧıçĸ [[Image:Manstick Sig.gif|19px]]  ʍąŋʂţǐçᶄ  16:16, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Adding builds
When adding leet builds, use the move button instead of making a new page. Any builds not doing so will be deleted. Thanks. <font color="#507AB6">—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş   ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ  15:42, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ piplup? God  box    16:05, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Alright, just don't want to be THAT rude and might actually get slapped by an Admin. I'll wait till they're trashed atleast. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 16:19, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ignore him, he knows better than that... -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:20, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If they're trashed or about to be well'd, there's no harm. <font color="#507AB6">—ǥrɩɳsɧƴɭuƿƿɭɘş [[Image:Mgrinshpon Piplup sprite.gif|15px]]  ɱᶗƿıƿɭuƿ  16:24, 15 August 2008 (EDT)