User talk:Anonimous./Archive1

Red discussion is lame. --Anonimous. 12:24, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 * Well you didn't last long. NOW QUICK! GO GIVE THAT BUILD A BAD RATING! - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 12:25, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 * I would last longer but lost that IP and wait, the worst is yet to come. ;) --Anonimous. 12:26, 26 November 2008 (EST)

You spelled your name wrong and there's a period on the end fyi-- Shadow Relyk  08:43, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * I know, just spelled it that way. :P --Anonimous. 10:56, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Don't vandalise. If you have a point to make, make it on the build's talkpage. Spaggage  talk  16:44, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm not vandalising. --Anonimous. 16:53, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * lol-- Shadow Relyk [[Image:Relyk srs.gif|19px]] 18:21, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * I improved upon poor build discription with valid points. It was reverted to wrong again by some idiot who thinks improving is vandalising. --Anonimous. 18:24, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * Valid≠Appropriate-- Shadow Relyk [[Image:Relyk srs.gif|19px]] 18:45, 30 November 2008 (EST)
 * It was completely appropriate too. --Anonimous. 03:20, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * No, it wasn't, it is being a dick, troll and vandal all at once.Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 03:22, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * You are wrong. --Anonimous. 10:45, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * no u-- Shadow Relyk [[Image:Relyk srs.gif|19px]] 11:44, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * no u --Anonimous. 11:45, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * Lol urbad-- Shadow Relyk [[Image:Relyk srs.gif|19px]] 11:47, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * "Ugh brawling headbutt sucks for dslash wars, and u cant have pve skills when there's a hero tag
 * Whaaa? --Anonimous. 11:48, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * LOL a hero-friendly skill bar can't have PvE skills for humans GG. Let's clog up PvX with hero bars and human bars with practically the same skills <3.152.226.7.213 21:06, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Guess what?
PvX:NPA. ~ ĐONT * SYSOP  14:52, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * damn dont beat me to it. NPA on User talk:Relyk is bad. Also please dont spam unnecessary comments on the AN. -- Jebus  contests  14:57, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * j00 r t3h l0s3.-- Shadow Relyk [[Image:Relyk srs.gif|19px]] 16:13, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * no j00 --Anonimous. 16:22, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Did you seriously
add Critical Defenses to a hero build? Have you ever used a sin hero? 16:38, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * Honestly try to stay away from melee heroes. >.> --Anonimous. 16:41, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * I don't use them for melee...but I'm pro. [[Image:Xsig.png]] 16:46, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * Used various sincasters on them, but now they are barragers. (: --Anonimous. 16:50, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Builds
Please don't go edit bars and builds at free will. Discuss changes on the talk page, not consider you solely right. It's a Wiki, you should discuss crucial changes before making them. -- 20:20, 1 December 2008 (EST)

lol a pve elitist. --Readem 09:59, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * ^ ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 15:43, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * PvE requires REAL skill. Stupid stuff like PvP is in no ways hard, of course. -- 18:02, 2 December 2008 (EST)
 * HEY GUILD LET'S BE ANTAGONISTIC THAT'LL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. --71.229 18:04, 2 December 2008 (EST)

I'm going to re-apply the whole thing I said about editing bars. It's not your say alone. A wiki is made with a group of people, not a person. Discuss changes, see if there's a majority, and do it, not screw everyone and go with your opinion alone. -- 07:26, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Can I discuss anything with you? --Anonimous. 07:27, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, just go to the talk, make a new section like "Build changes" or whatever the hell you want, post what you think should be done, discuss it, and if a lot of people agree, go pew-pew the build with changes. -- 07:28, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * I would if that would be possible. --Anonimous. 12:20, 5 December 2008 (EST)

You
I am going to let the ban evasion slide, which is highly unusual for me. In future if you wish to contact me over a ban use msn or my email address, both of which are available on PvX:ADMIN. One of the reasons I am letting it slide is because the ban was supposed to be instructional. If you think what the PvEers here have been saying is bad you should see the kind of pure manure that gets served up in the PvP section on a daily basis. People here are terrible, absolutely fucking terrible. You can tell them they are terrible, I don't really care, but try to stop emo-raging and calling people names. Stuff like renaming a bad build to "Clownway" and changing the description to "Only clowns would run this" or something is pretty much retarded. Just add your criticism, trash vote it, convince others to trash vote it and watch it die. Raging just gets you banned, try to make other people you don't like rage and get them banned, it's a lot more satisfying. The second reason I am not extending the ban is it looks like you do actually want to bring the PvE section up to scratch, I don't give a shit about PvE much at all so I can't tell if you are good or not, but I do know that most people here are retarded so when you are unbanned feel free to be constructive. I am not continuing my wall of text because it looks relatively long, but not really quite long enough. You can feel free to stop reading at this point because there is nothing really of value any more. That is why a horse can't tell the difference between an eye that is still physically attached to the optic nerve and one that has been partially detached. It's all a matter of perspective, so remember, kids, do more drugs. - Misery  Is  Friendly   04:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ok, they arent worth my rage. Clownway was appropriate. :P --Anonimous. 18:41, 3 December 2008 (EST)

...
Guild may be bad, but that doesn't give you the right to instantly and immediately change any build to make it better in your eyes. That's the view that 10-year-old kids have when they vandalize the site because they're too dumb to know better.

The wiki is built on the idea that one man is fallible, but multiple people are more likely to have brain. As a result, we discuss changes and create consensus before the changes are implemented. What you are doing is the exact opposite.

-- Armond Warblade 10:33, 5 December 2008 (EST)


 * Gave up on having discussions.
 * There are no active good players on this wiki. Vandal kids are motivated by anger, rage or have wicked idea of fun. They are not trying to improve pve section of wiki based on community opinion (much larger than pvfail community).
 * If you would be good, you would not be crying on my talk. --Anonimous. 11:11, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * No active good players on the wiki is wrong - maybe in pve, but the pvp has some goods ones (rare, but they are there) Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:52, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * He said 'active' rawr. Brandnew.  11:57, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Depends how you define active =\ Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:58, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well, then name some ;o Brandnew.  11:59, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * There are no good active pve players on pvx aside of myself. By active I mean active on the site. --Anonimous. 12:02, 5 December 2008 (EST)

PvE is srs fkcn bsns.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  11:12, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * IT IS NOT CLAIM FOR HAVING HORRID PVE SECTION!
 * Maybe most of you like pvp, that is no reason to stand in way of peopl who like pve. Both pvp and pve has high end both of them have low end that requre appropriate ammount of skill respectively. Some people like to butt pvp for hours and hours farming fame or ladder (or what do they do in pvp?) some people like me like to make new ways of spending minimum ammount of time on hardest of pve areas. Matter of what you prefer. --Anonimous. 12:00, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * 'Farming' fame or ladder implies you lame, which means you're not really gonna be a good player anyway (well, outside of the odd O MY GOD I AM SO BORED farm). Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:08, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * I once farmed fame with 3 monks + SoR paragon, am I good now? Brandnew.  12:09, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * When did i say farm made you good :P Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:10, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * You didn't but I farmed fame with 3 monks + SoR cuz I was bored. Brandnew.  12:10, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ok, beating hall of heroes, running balanced non-spike builds? (non-spike in sense of non-3,2,1...) --Anonimous. 12:11, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Holding HoH with balanced is.. alot more common than you'd think. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:23, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Alot more common than what? --Anonimous. 12:27, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * "...than you'd think."  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:28, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think that its quite common. Lot more common means every time? I recall seeing some spike builds holding. --Anonimous. 12:30, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * As in, its not very hard and pretty much everyone (well, bar like half this wiki) has done it, so theres no point measuring goodness by that. I know someone who held, with balanced (admittedly he was bitchroling) and he was r0, lol. Rawrawr Dinosaur 14:21, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Hard to believe that somebody who submits pve gfs ms/db bar that has no enchant (and ensists on keeping it that way) could ever hold.
 * Back on topic. Havent meant anything in particular, just saying that some people like pve, some people like pvp. Its about what you prefer but cant influence anything in general. --Anonimous. 05:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)

If I, in rare occasions, decide to play GW over Fallout 3, I play PvE, so what you're implying, that we all like PvP over PvE is wrong. However though, PvE is a lot less "srs bsns" than PvE, simply because it's versus AI and second, because it's sooooo much easier to be good at than PvP.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  12:13, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe pve is easier than pvp, doesnt give reason to have horrid pve section or being efficient at what you are running. --Anonimous. 12:18, 5 December 2008 (EST)

lol
u make everyone mad-- Christmas Relyk  11:14, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * And no one cares about pve anymore gg--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  11:22, 5 December 2008 (EST)

PvE is ten times more broken than HB. Go figure.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  11:25, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Follow the indents :/--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  11:27, 5 December 2008 (EST)

No.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  11:28, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * u ned morez hldy sprt dud--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  11:33, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * You =/= everyone. --Anonimous. 11:55, 5 December 2008 (EST)

ohnoes
"Add Swift Jevelin if running in team with orders/aegis chains/soh ect."-- Christmas Relyk  11:50, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, why? --Anonimous. 11:54, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * First off SoH is melee only and by aegis chains you mean opponents using aegis chains...in PvE? I r confoosed.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:08, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * By aegis chains I meant chaining aegis. That gives you constant 50% block and you are always under effect of enchentment.
 * Sorry about soh got carried away with optionals didnt notice. :P --Anonimous. 12:14, 5 December 2008 (EST)
 * c urbad!--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  00:34, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * No you are wrong. People who run ny kind of physical-based pve build they would take two or more melee characters. Surely no physical team setup works without orders necromancer that sometimes brings soh to buff damage output of melee even more.
 * When making the list I was thinking about that necro. I said, got carried away with the list but meant that order necro by soh, not using soh on the para.
 * Honestly, if it wasnt for you distracting me with reverts I wouldnt have made that mistake. --Anonimous. 05:16, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Me or rick?--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  05:35, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * You. --Anonimous. 06:35, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * I dont revert stuff >.>--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  08:59, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Mean you are wrong calling me bad. --Anonimous. 09:41, 6 December 2008 (EST)

When editing builds
If you are changing the main bar or removing items from the variants, consult the talk page first to avoid revert wars. Check that the general consensus is that the change is necessary, then change it. I am quite aware that you can edit anything you want on this wiki, but it is far easier to tell people of what you will do and quite frankly, im tired of hearing you bitch about PvE builds. Your points may be valid, but again, tell people of the change. Also, avoid making 8 edits in less than 5 minutes. It clogs up recent changes and makes people that much harder to see what you've changed on the build page. g'nite. 00:05, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * When build is changed variants are changed aswell that is normal.
 * Consulting? Let me say again tha I am done consulting as it would never go anywhere. I can easily explain the reason for changes but no more consulting. Try using common sense, imbagon build has improved drammatically from its poor state so you can trust me.
 * Large ammount of edits sometimes, yes. Most of the time I make sure to preview my edit but miss out some points, typos etc. Will try to work on not doing it. --Anonimous. 05:04, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Why do u have to indent every sentence?--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  05:37, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Because otherwise the line breaks wouldn't show up. ~ ĐONT * SYSOP  06:10, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Wut i want to do
is choose all the non-crappy pve builds and delete the rest :D-- Christmas Relyk  09:00, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * I don't think we'd hire you for the job if that was the case. -- 09:01, 6 December 2008 (EST)

What you can also do is ignore Other and Good builds and just look at the Great ones. Problem solved, yay!  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  09:01, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * But then there would be about 10 builds left. This would be the case if I were deleting them anyway. Andy 09:04, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thats not exactly the case. Problem you have here is that ALL OF PVE SECTION IS CRAPPY. Builds in Great/Good/Other dont meet standards of those sections. Lot of "meta" builds are in sub-par state and need major re-write like I have done with Imbagon.
 * To Guild of Deals:
 * Understand what you say between the lines. You are wrong Guild of Deals, again. Before you take on me, remember what you are. --Anonimous. 09:40, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's funny to see people who are terrible act like their good (myself included). And I meant Relyk, but now that you think about it, you wouldn't be suited for the job either. I'd hire Ricky myself, although the entire idea is bogus. -- 09:43, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh you mean Relyk. I dont mind then, he is really terrible like you. :P --Anonimous. 10:07, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * After posting that, I went on a search for the 10 builds I would keep. I only found 4, then left before I wanted to kill myself. Andy 11:27, 6 December 2008 (EST)

You have balls
I like balls. --F rosty 13:18, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * I noticed ;o  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:18, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * That's what she said. (You are so bad at this game ricky.) Brandnew.  13:20, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * More of a reference to Team America. --F rosty 13:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * I actually considered writing that, but I backspaced as it was just way too obvious.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:25, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Never too obvious. Always awesome. Andy 13:28, 6 December 2008 (EST)

in regards to this
removing other users' comments is a no-no, whatever dispute you may be having.-- reason '''.  decrystallized '  I frenzy-healsig. '' 17:31, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wtf...havent done anything, edit conflict maybe? --Anonimous. 17:35, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * PvX:ARCHIVE says you can't remove others comments. -- 17:36, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * I wasnt, dont be dumb I have no reason to remove his comments. --Anonimous. 17:37, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * It might've been an accident I'm guessing then. -- 17:38, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * Most likely bug. Think similar accident happened to me once I just cant quite remember where let me try to find it. --Anonimous. 17:40, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think he added the comment before you, you added your comment, and when you saved you the Talk page it was the version without his comment. -- 17:41, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 * it happens. but when it happens, it tells you "you are editing an out-of-date version of this page."  at least it has every time for me.-- reason ' . ' decrystallized    I frenzy-healsig.  19:14, 7 December 2008 (EST)

In order to fight shittiness...
You must first not be a shitter. Comments like "What GtfE! would only do is take away adrenalline lowering your SY! spam efficiency" betray a theorycrafting mindset over a reality-based on. SY is charged in 2 seconds. If I use GftE, I have to wand a single time in the remaining three seconds of SY to make up for it. Ergo, your argument is trashed by a single second of cspacing. You need to not make terrible arguments before calling others out, or they'll just ignore everything you say and focus on the wrong things :) - Auron 04:19, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Racthoh said it was so auron QQ--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  22:25, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * If Racthoh said to jump off a cliff would you?!?!! Well I mean, you could since I'd have SY up by the time you hit the ground below. Racthoh 02:49, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Auron used Strip Shout on me and i died :/--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  18:14, 21 December 2008 (EST)
 * There is no shout strip in guild wars Relyk you should know that at least. --Anonimous. 16:30, 29 December 2008 (EST)

Am I back?
It seems my ban is lifted at last! Or maybe it isnt, in any case I dont care. Looked through your pathetic site, it has become more pathetic in my absence. --Anonimous. 16:32, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * welcome back [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]Frosty  po!  16:35, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Site was always pathetic, wb. Brandnew.  16:45, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * thanks :) --Anonimous. 16:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Pve is still serious. Don't worry. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:58, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * I know it is Rawrawr havent been banned on the game. --Anonimous. 17:00, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Know what HA is yet? --Ojamo  (>.<( O=(- -Q)  18:30, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Really wish I never knew this awful borefest excisted Ojamo... --Anonimous. 18:34, 29 December 2008 (EST)

woo shitters &mdash; Skakid  Rally- kupo! 18:34, 29 December 2008 (EST)

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 * it is, infact :D  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  18:53, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Why did you change your signature Ricky? ): --Anonimous. 18:55, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * [[image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]]  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  18:56, 29 December 2008 (EST)

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 * lol, ojamo doesnt know how pvx works ^_^  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  18:58, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * pvx works? --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  18:58, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * pvx = piss as many people of as possible in the least amount of time  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  19:00, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * k, fixed. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  19:02, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Sure it does not! Wouldnt have to fight for every pve build change with hordes of mindless people who have big love with "undo" button. --Anonimous. 19:03, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * If you would just discuss the change first everything would be fine --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  19:04, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * ym &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ibreaktoilets (contribs) 20:05, 29 December 2008.
 * o no you didn't!  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  19:05, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Are you ready to hold civil discussion?
 * As for the new topic, it took you less than hour to get pissed at someone, learn to control your temper mate. --Anonimous. 19:06, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Less than an hour wat? --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  19:06, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * ym &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ibreaktoilets (contribs) 20:07, 29 December 2008.
 * Touche. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  19:07, 29 December 2008 (EST)

ITT:ym. Rawrawr Dinosaur 22:22, 29 December 2008 (EST)

hi.
Just a note, regarding the activity on Archive:Team - PvE Smiteway, it's usually easier to make a new page with your change and WELL the previous version. Just FYI. At least it'll stop people from crying. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 22:26, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * Thats nice to hear Rapta. --Anonimous. 05:58, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * Hahaa, I'll come and troll that. Btw, when making criticizing points you could consider a more friendly and open attitude (not "This is horrid!!!!", but perhaps "Smite Hex/Condition" as the headline.) It makes people think about your points with reason instead of getting angry and annoyed at you. You're almost as bad as me at compressing text. If you would drop off 90% of all text you write on talk pages you'd be left with the actual points but would lose all the "omgwtf's" from in between. It makes people listen. --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 08:21, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * "I'll come and troll that" and you telling me how to act? No offense but become what you asked me to first and then teach people. --Anonimous. 09:05, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * That was kinda random, Chaos. -- 09:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Chaos, that was rather random. There was nothing wrong with the ehading "this is horrid!", when you look at some of the headings other people would put up,it's probably quite nice in comparison....plus he was making more points than just Deny/Smite hex, so it wouldn't have been the best heading either =p. <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   09:31, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * The heading wasn't really my whole point.. I just suggested that Anon could bring forth the thoughts in a better way=more people listen. I agree with the fact that he makes valid points, and if he wants to stick to his manners then that's fine too. And Anon, trolling isn't bad :P I just said that I'll be following the goings of that build and stuff.. Perhaps I just should stop telling everyone else to be perfect ... not. --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 10:03, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Why are we still arguing about... pve...? Rawrawr Dinosaur 10:14, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Why not? No real argument too yet, this is more like talking. --Anonimous. 10:24, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Could you at least discuss about you changing half of the bar without anyone's opinion? You didn't even change Variants. &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 11:24, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well that half became much better dont you think, you can help and change variants. :) --Anonimous. 12:42, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Anonimous, you need to stop assuming you are a fucking pve god and all of us mere mortals are going to bow down to your divine ability to vanquish or whatever. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  13:26, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well chances are I am better at pve than most of you. --Anonimous. 13:31, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Once again....it's PvE. A dead dog could get through most of PvE if he had an imbagon with him. [[Image:Zefirsig.jpg|19px]] God Zefir  13:33, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * You have just proven to know absolutely nothing about pve congrats.
 * No matter how easy or not, its no reason to keep pve section in crap state otherwise you could have as well deleted every pve build closing pve section. In pve, it is question of efficiency and speed, anyone could vanquish but how long would it take is the question. In any case you dont have to be imbagon to do good in pve. --Anonimous. 13:39, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * How to perform well in PvE: don't be afk. God  box    13:41, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * No, you dont have to be an imbagon. But there has to be one in your party. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  13:44, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * {ec}Huh? I afked for two hours yesterday while v'qing dalada uplands H/H yet I never wiped and finished in about 50 minutes with Monk excluding the afk time. --Anonimous. 13:47, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Holy fuck you just failed so hard it isn't even funny anymore. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  13:49, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh really? Tell me where I failed and calm the fuck down you are the only one acting like complete douche. Wasnt the fastest time even for H/H but wasnt the slowest one either in any case I am sure you dont know to do better and resort to flaming because you cannot control your temper. --Anonimous. 14:03, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * I honestly don't care how fast you can H/H, my point was you completely missed what Godliest was trying to say. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  14:19, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Keep up being a self-centered jerk and you'll get another ban, Anon. I think you were unbanned yesterday, no? If you don't care, then just don't come here. Or at least learn to change Variants if you changed the skill they refer to. &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 14:21, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * i invented SY paras, suck a fat one &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 14:22, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * If there is a pve god, it's Skakid, that's for sure --Snakes on a Wii 16:18, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Anonimous is r7 KoaBD, don't mess with him. 72.94.120.171 16:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * He's too awesome for "God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals"? Wow. --Snakes on a Wii 16:19, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Dont like bragging about my titles but trust me I have enough. Abedeus and Ojamo grow pair of balls....tbh, and someone from PvX invented the Imbagon when the one you had here was so insanely horrifying? Would never believe in that! It is like 600SB monk nobody really invented it, it just came. --Anonimous. 18:12, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Some people are genuinely bad at sarcasm. Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:17, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Bad at bad sarcasm maybe? --Anonimous. 18:22, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * titles prove one thing: you enjoy farming. God  box    18:23, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Grinding, on other hand they show dedication and knowledge that you've been through lot of PvE. I dont respect all titles myself but I sure respect Leg Vanq, Guard and Cart for example, you cant not know three continents and far shiverpeaks well after achieving those titles. --Anonimous. 18:32, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Legendary cartographer requires nothing more than texmod and the ability to overcome boredom. Lord of all tyria 18:38, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh I so dont like those who use text mod absolutely ruins aura of that title and I would say I enjoyed exploring it is very interesting to discover things all around the game, have made tons of cool screenshots too. --Anonimous. 18:56, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wait. Wait, slow down. You actually think titles show... something? After Ursan and Shadow Form? REALLY? Woah. I think I'll just stop looking at you, or my eyes will melt. &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 03:08, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Depends, Ursan was something I have no words to describe though...I did legendary guardian in one week on one of my characters but that was so boring you had to have some nerves to milk it I couldnt look at it after lol. --Anonimous. 07:18, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Legendary Vanquisher is just a matter of not becoming overly bored and falling asleep. Sorry, but there's no title at all that displays that you know how to play - possibly with the exception of Champion, but that's just champ farming; so zzz. God  box    07:44, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I dont find vq'ing boring, its all up to taste. --Anonimous. 08:51, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * I don't find Smite Hex better than Deny, it's all up to taste. OSHT see what I did there? -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  09:57, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Made a pointless comment in order to be cool? Lord of all tyria 09:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * tbh. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  10:02, 31 December 2008 (EST)


 * More up to effectiveness and efficiency than taste. --Anonimous. 11:50, 31 December 2008 (EST)

So.
I herd ur teh master @ PvE + we all suxxorz. Where are your builds then?  <font color="#0000CC">Ŀ¥ЅЅΔΝ <font color="#0066FF">● <font color="#0099FF">55!  14:51, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * He can't post his top sekreet bildz, cause Izzy will nerf 'em, ofcourse. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  15:30, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * OMG, hez rite! I'd better get rid of all my articles before Izzy gets rid of mine :o  <font color="#0000CC">Ŀ¥ЅЅΔΝ <font color="#0066FF">● <font color="#0099FF">55!   15:47, 30 December 2008 (EST)


 * You idiots, if you were as pro at pve as Anonimous you wouldn't need seekret builds lol. --Snakes on a Wii 16:12, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * He can't post his builds here. If he did, they would make PvX implode from PURE AWESOMENESS and IN YOUR FACE lolzomgwtf. &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 16:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Or maybe we all just stole his awesome builds and already posted them on the wiki, so he can't post them cause they're "dupes".  <font color="#0000CC">Ŀ¥ЅЅΔΝ <font color="#0066FF">● <font color="#0099FF">55!  16:49, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * or he doesn't want to. So stop being stupid... <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   17:11, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * ^ and you have most of "brands" around here anyway they just arent in the right quality so simply improving those to higher standard is enough. --Anonimous. 18:17, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * no u.  <font color="#0000CC">Ŀ¥ЅЅΔΝ <font color="#0066FF">● <font color="#0099FF">55!  18:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Don't be so modest, share your zomgwtfn00bpwning wisdom with the world. Excuse "I can, but I don't wanna" is so 7-year old... "I have super powers, I just don't want to show them". &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 03:06, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * lol pvx. --71.229 03:16, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Abedeus, you like to QQ way too much. --Anonimous. 07:10, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Obvious NPA bait is obvious, Abedeus. Or it could just be the thirst for drama. -- 10:01, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Anonimous, you like to drop red herrings way too much.
 * Whats wrong with you seriously? --Anonimous. 17:50, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Anominous I am better than you at PvE. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  17:52, 31 December 2008 (EST)

I still have no idea why you all care so much about who's better at pve, considering it takes no skill at all its like 10 times as childish as pvp elitism =\ Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:53, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * The point is I am better than Anominous at pve. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  17:54, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * im better than you at pve, i micro rawrspikes on my pollywar [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 17:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Strong mc RSpike in HB :> [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  18:01, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * my hb discord spike/dervspikes would flawless your rspike tbh [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 18:02, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * I was talking about your brave mc rspike :<, my brave IVspike in HB was strong tbh ;o.
 * ups [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 18:05, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * You people are stupid or pretend to be stupid? --Anonimous. 18:12, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Anominous I am better than you at PvE. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  18:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's just some obvious baiting and drama. Seriously, I don't understand why people just push their luck all the time.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  18:19, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Means they dont pretend to be stupid... --Anonimous. 18:23, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * Don't worry, you don't have to pretend :* &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 18:57, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Noone explained lol. Rawrawr Dinosaur 19:08, 31 December 2008 (EST)
 * [[image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]]  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  14:16, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * You should make some code whichj replaces "D:" with [[image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] because its quite funny, none the less I think that your previous signature was much more original Ricky. :) --Anonimous. 16:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Warning for other users
This is warning to users who edit this page, and this users userpage. You are to stop provoking/Baiting this user, and to leave his user page alone. These are now ban worthy actions... <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   14:15, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Hmm.. To be honest it was fun to read and gave me some good laughs. But I agree with 71.229 there.. "lol pvx". But 'ey, it's provocative to say people on PvXwiki suck at PvE, at ones own talk page and that's an obvious target for vandalism. --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 16:09, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * I doubt people who would vandalise him, if he didnt go to the users first and NPA them and call them all terrible at pve (...pve elitism is just... lol) Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:13, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Rawr, since he's been back, I've not seen anything NPA (by my standards anyway), and to be fair, most of PvX is elitist (Granted most of PvX is PvP oriented but w/e >.>). Chaos, when he says "people here suck at PvE" (ignoring the validity of this point), it's something you should shrug off, it shouldn't bother you. <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   16:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Just telling the truth Rawrawr and lets be honest, I didnt go to or aim at anyone in particular so I havent offended anyone personally. Talking of so called NPA I have violated it much less than many of who are crying here.
 * Honestly if you known PvE well you wouldve never talked like this. Met lot of you, shield themselves with pvp first and then cry that they cant handle mob of hydras in the Crystal Desert on Hard Mode lmao. --Anonimous. 16:50, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Here we go again. --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 16:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Must.....resist....the urge.....to be an asshole..... <font color="Crimson" face="trajan pro">Karate <font color="Green" face="trajan pro">Jesus  [[Image:Elfy.JPG|19x19px]] 16:59, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Very hard for you? --Anonimous. 19:29, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Veiled attacks violate NPA etc etc don't be a dick and whatever. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  19:31, 1 January 2009 (EST)

People suck at pve here cause they dont play it...-- Christmas Relyk  19:49, 1 January 2009 (EST) Noones cried they cant handle a mob of hyrdas in hard mode - if they have, theyre terrible, simple as. Theres about 5-6 good pvp users here anyway, so that claim is completely unfounded. And actually, quite a few play pve. Rawrawr Dinosaur 20:03, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * People still play prophecies?--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  20:05, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * i farm trolls ten hours a day [[Image:Tai_sig_Image_78.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">20:06, 1 January 2009 
 * TBH, there's nothing wrong with sucking at anything; just learn from people who have experience. Anonimous have made some pretty good points(though I must highlight his tendency to be extreme) such as the malicious strike/eremite's attack "discussion"(revert war) and the imbagon fiasco(the R7 shields thing was quite ridiculous imo).
 * When good PvPers say most of PvX is bad, nobody says anything much, but when good PvEers say most of PvX is bad, people start QQing like it's the end of the world. <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  20:09, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Doomsday. We're all going to die! -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 20:13, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Drama <3<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  20:16, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Anonimous just enjoys the attention, he's in his own little world when it comes to discussing pve though--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  20:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * You shouldn't care unless he breaks policy or says rubbish(like R7 shields).<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  20:47, 1 January 2009 (EST)


 * Just like on stage I suppose... But 'ey, forgive my randomness, I should sleep. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 20:25, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Actually if i had the best optimal equipment for pve i would be extremely bored, my condolences :*(-- Christmas Relyk  20:31, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * R7 15AL Shields arent as expensive as gold R7 stuff from what I recall buying them so I dont understand why are you so scared of them.
 * It all adds up, you have bit higher crit rate, bit higher hitting spear attacks, you have higher armor rate than if you were using shield of which you cant meet the attribute requrement of. You all say that PvE is so easy, well, if its so easy why cant you afford R7 shields for instance? There I wasnt trying to brag about how good my equipment is or how much money I have I simply tried to improve the quality of that build stating the optimum equipment people should aim for you cant disagree that I didnt mention alternatives to it. We have been over this already alot of times give it some rest. --Anonimous. 07:20, 2 January 2009 (EST)


 * Don't spend atb points to meet a shield req on a caster.. Just use pre-searing shields or something, if you don't like not meeting the req. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 07:45, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Since when Paragons are casters you can start up at pre-searing? --Anonimous. 10:25, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Since when Paragons are casters you can start up at pre-searing? --Anonimous. 10:25, 2 January 2009 (EST)


 * Haven't followed everything you type everywhere.. I just know that urdoinitwrong if you need to find yourself r7 shields. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 11:08, 2 January 2009 (EST)


 * I think Anonimous. was questioning what you were saying, it didn't make much sense >.>. It seemed like you were saying Paragons are casters, and you can get Paragons in Pre... <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   12:03, 2 January 2009 (EST)


 * Then I said I didn't follow the discussion, and mentioned that no-req decent armor shields can be found in pre. I assume that if someone can't meed the shield req he/she is a caster. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 12:06, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * There was some drama on the Imbagon page over wether it should be assumed everyone can get a q7 shield. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  12:50, 2 January 2009 (EST)


 * :D I suppose builds are built around q9 equipment. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 13:07, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 * Imbagon wouldnt function as well with r9 shield as it would with r7 for that matter thats why I suggested it, very common tactic. Ojamo you dont get things as they are you bend them in some wicked way that makes you absolutely cross at people. I didnt assume anything, I imply stated that you should aim for r7 shield. Really thats old, note about r7 shield is there give it some rest. --Anonimous. 07:47, 3 January 2009 (EST)
 * Please do, this isn't an argument anyone wants reviving... <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   08:53, 3 January 2009 (EST)
 * Don't you know any discussion is worth necroing as long as you can get to insult some people? &mdash; Abedeus  [[Image:User Abedeus Sig.jpg|19px]] 09:18, 3 January 2009 (EST)


 * This wiki is so friendly. --''' -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 11:24, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks
Thanks for the warm greeting, Ive been on this site forever, but just joined. Deanos420 09:46, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * btw, you answer to comments on the place they were posted. I think he put you on his watchlist so he'll know. but welcome :P -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 09:48, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * you don't have to... --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">10:13, 9 January 2009 


 * well, as far as I've seen it's the way they do it around here.. but yeh, it's not a written rule. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 10:37, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * ..PvX has no rules? --Anonimous. 10:54, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * don't be autistic. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 10:56, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * Policies aren't rules, they're laws--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  10:58, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * Policies are nothing by the looks of it (as of "don't be autistic" which breaks one of them replying to "PvX has no rules?" so either they dont exist or arent relevant)... --Anonimous. 11:05, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * I say that nothing tells where to answer to others posts, you ask if there are no rules, I call you autistic. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 11:08, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * So you want me to believe there are rules which people respect by breaking some. --Anonimous. 11:13, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * wtf? Read things through twice before making ridiculous accusations. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 11:16, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Btw i have yet to see an r7 shield 16 ar in pve in 2.5 years -_-' Wuts the best shield skin iyo?-- Christmas Relyk  11:00, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * I actually think he meant 15 ar. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 11:01, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * not talking to you chaos. Just another thought, it would be better to have an r7/15 than an r9/16 for imbagon cause of att split?--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  11:03, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * Exactly.
 * Imo, good shield skins would be Tormented Shield, Amethist Aegis, Gloom Shield, Goldleaf Defender, Shield of the Wing, Guardian of the Hunt, Magmas Shield, Draconic Aegis. Sorry that I havent replied with this right away, havent seen the question because of many edit conflicts. --Anonimous. 11:06, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * "Goldleaf Defender, Shield of the Wing" ewwww. I likez my Draconic Aegis though :) [[Image:KJ sig 2.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">11:12, 9 January 2009 

you
Beacon's Perch, American English 1, now. Or then stop making fucking wrong statements about builds/edit them. -- -Ch ao  s-   12:25, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * What? --Anonimous. 12:26, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * you heard me -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 12:27, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * No. --Anonimous. 12:30, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * ^. How can he hear you from wherever he is all the way from wherever you are? ;) -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  12:33, 9 January 2009 (EST)


 * Then stop changing builds, ffs.. You didn't show up so I went and won 5 guys in a race instead, with that exact build there :> Constant Anti-KD is necessary and that build is as fast as it ever can get. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 12:49, 9 January 2009 (EST)
 * What build, try to link maybe? --Anonimous. 08:32, 10 January 2009 (EST)


 * Lol you put in Endure Pain in my running build when you don't know a shit about running. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 09:51, 10 January 2009 (EST)
 * But yeh,, now leave it alone, it just got vetted. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 09:53, 10 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yes I put Indure Pain in there because you dont need double anti-KD unless you cant time your run so you are wrong.
 * Great means nothing. These guys would 5-5-x everything to that category without thinking which is why entire pve section is full of crap. --Anonimous. 13:33, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * Chaos, you really need to chill. Anon, Frosty, you really freak out if anyone as much as pokes your build wrong. -- 13:35, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, Daddy. Anon, still, editing others builds into suggestions that have been thought of already is baed. There's nothing wrong in chaining IAU-Balanced when the build can manage well as it is. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 13:55, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * Okay, anon you are not the best runner who ever lived. I know the best runners around, trust me. Having permanent anti knockdown is good. Don't say that it's not because you'll be wrong. You must be theorycrafting horribly to say dual anti KD is bad. Messenger, if you won with your w/me, you probably didn't have much competition. <font color="#AA0088">Invincible  <font color="#AA0088">Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 20:03, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * Omg you made rogue mad--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  20:07, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * xD Not mad, just tired of all the runners who think they know everything about running when they don't. However, experience speaks well, and tells me he must not have tried dual anti KD to say that it's bad. Besides, there aren't any other skills you could bring that are better. >.> <font color="#AA0088">Invincible  <font color="#AA0088">Rogue [[Image:Invincible_rogue_siggy.jpg]] 20:15, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * You ended up thinking that I dont run any anti-KD? 0 points for reading comprehention. And obviously I base it on my expirience I simple found dual anti-KD redundant at some point but I know new players run it with W/Me for fast money. --Anonimous. 04:59, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * Anon, the 0 points for reading comprehension are once again awarded to you. He only mentioned not running dual-anti KD, not not running any. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 08:55, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * I seriously wonder why people make such a big fuss about running when mapping only takes a few seconds and clicks.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  12:44, 14 January 2009 (EST)


 * Maaa(aaaaaaaaa)ybe because you cannot isnta-port to Droks from Ascalon when you exit pre. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  13:04, 14 January 2009 (EST)

You
Have a gift for annoying people. This may be a violation of PvX:NPA but I really don't care. <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">19:25, 11 January 2009  19:25, 11 January 2009 (EST)
 * Calm down now, before you annoy admins... --Anonimous. 04:54, 12 January 2009 (EST)
 * Anonimous, you are really starting to annoy me. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 09:04, 12 January 2009 (EST)


 * ^-- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 09:12, 12 January 2009 (EST)


 * chill. --Anonimous. 18:27, 13 January 2009 (EST)

--<font color=#585858>Relyk <font color=#66CCFF>_||_ <font color=#333300> I hammers u! 19:29, 13 January 2009 (EST)
 * ^ LOOOOOOOOOOOL [[Image:Shino sig.png]]<small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">09:31, 14 January 2009  09:31, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * So here you are saying that my Talk Page is trash, well yes isn't thats why you enjoy it? --Anonimous. 11:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Don't mind it, Relyk is just trying to be tough lately ^.^ 217.120.228.192 11:52, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * He's such a toughie! - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 11:55, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah kind of cute really. --Anonimous. 12:05, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Anon is so mature. It makes me cry. When I grow up, I wanna be just like him! -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 13:37, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Uh ohs, the maturity argument has surfaced D: Tbh, Chaos, no one on pvx is mature and if they are, they're wasting their time. There are better things for mature people to be doing. [[Image:KJ sig 2.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">13:38, 14 January 2009 
 * ^ pvx makes mature people immature. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 13:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Nah, pvx draws immature users. I was immature long before I started posting here. [[Image:KJ sig 2.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">14:05, 14 January 2009 
 * I'm very serious irl.. Got a dark, sarcastic and sometimes quite rough humor, don't laugh to regular fun-ness and often laugh to myself or to stuff none else finds funny at the most inopportune times. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 14:14, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Congrats [[Image:Emo kid.jpeg|90px]] [[Image:KJ sig 2.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">14:26, 14 January 2009 
 * Down the road, not across the street /wrists [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  14:46, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * I heard being sarcastic =/= emo. KJ, hurry up and make me an userbox. It should be quite clear where you put it :> -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 15:06, 14 January 2009 (EST)
 * Sarcasm is vague at best on the internet. Use definable humor, rather than dark, creepy emo shit. [[Image:KJ sig 2.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">15:10, 14 January 2009 
 * I heard I should kiss peoples asses for them to laugh with me. No deal. I don't have a "creepy" humor, just a sarcastic one. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 15:14, 14 January 2009 (EST)

This conversation should go back to how annoying Anonimous is. Carry on. <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="papyrus" color="black" variant="small caps">11:31, 15 January 2009 


 * He raped his mother when he wasn't watching! -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 11:35, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * Theres a fine line between being immature, and just being fucked up in the head. Chaos is the latter. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   12:31, 15 January 2009 (EST)


 * ^-- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 12:33, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * you guys really need to sit down, change your tampons, and think about how stupid this argument is. --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">12:40, 15 January 2009 
 * Theres no argument just random baiting. --Anonimous. 13:55, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * Sadly, it's like trying to bait a fish with a computer-doesn't work.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  14:02, 15 January 2009 (EST)
 * Pika gonna get banned for calling Anon a Fish. Couldn't the Anon-fishies be caught if the computer would zapp a pewpew electric shock and all the fishies would die and rise to dem surface? -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 14:34, 15 January 2009 (EST)

/wave--<font color=#585858>Relyk <font color=#66CCFF>_||_ <font color=#333300> I hammers u! 02:25, 18 January 2009 (EST)


 * /wave back. --Anonimous. 06:15, 18 January 2009 (EST)

You...
have been amazing recently. Keep up the good work. - Misery  Is  Friendly   03:30, 19 January 2009 (EST)
 * no ur a horse

Can you
take my quote off your userpage, I feel it's a personal attack against me--<font color=#585858>Relyk <font color=#66CCFF>_||_ <font color=#333300> I hammers u! 08:29, 19 January 2009 (EST)
 * Perhaps you shouldn't have said it then. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 08:35, 19 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'd like an unbiased administrator's opinion on this matter--<font color=#585858>Relyk <font color=#66CCFF>_||_ <font color=#333300> I hammers u! 08:40, 19 January 2009 (EST)
 * User:Mgrinshpon/Epic, User:Malokai92/Misery and User:Malokai92/Rawr for precedence. Also, I'm not biased in the least, I am sorry you feel that way. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 08:44, 19 January 2009 (EST)
 * I dont understand how it falls under personal attack for you Relyk nothing on my Userpage is personally against you. --Anonimous. 17:11, 19 January 2009 (EST)
 * so i herd pplz weren apthetic enuff.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  06:37, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * What? --Anonimous. 09:15, 20 January 2009 (EST)

THIS USER IS A HORSE!!!1! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Misery (contribs).

&mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Panic (contribs).

Stop Trolling
Notice what a build is made for before you make comments. Thanks. 19:08, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * How is mis-noticing build tags fall under "trolling"? --Anonimous. 07:43, 21 January 2009 (EST)


 * falls under failing. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 07:46, 21 January 2009 (EST)//
 * THIS USER IS A HORSE by accident. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  07:48, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * If you "fail to notice" 3 times in 2 days?  11:35, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * I guess you need to be quite incredible for that. The other day Rawr and Wafflez were arguing about using ARage in a HA Pressure build and Anon says he never uses it because HM mobs have too high armor :> either he is or is acting stupid. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 11:40, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * What I said is true if you think of it even if it didn't fit that discussion too well. --Anonimous. D: 18:31, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * I PvE myself and you're right, but stating it at that time was just bad understanding of the situation. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 18:42, 21 January 2009 (EST)

I made you something

 * Enjoy [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="trajan pro" color="green" variant="small caps">15:14, 21 January 2009 
 * ^ Is the pic really 19px in height? --Anonimous. 15:52, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yea it is. Right click it and click properties. [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="trajan pro" color="green" variant="small caps">16:03, 21 January 2009  16:03, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * btw it was just me impersonating him, but it taught me something new. To Anon, I honestly think it'd be giving the finger to this whole community if you'd use that sig, it's kinda stylish and you could just shrug at people telling you suck, being like "duh, moron". And it's lovely self-irony :o and did you notice what a nice response you got when I acted instead of you? -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 16:11, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * I think he should use it too, but that's cuz I made it. [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="trajan pro" color="green" variant="small caps">16:14, 21 January 2009 


 * The standard definition of Gay in BrE is happy/cheerful. Are you? :) -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  17:18, 21 January 2009 (EST)


 * either he is or he's emo like Chaos. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 17:21, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Please define "high end Guild Wars".
Tab 08:14, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * Elite Missions sc, Hard Mode in general. --Anonimous. D: 08:18, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * <3 [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 08:18, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * HM is easy and might prove entertaining if you play it with odd friends on skype. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 08:20, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * YM is easy and might prove entertaining. Friends on skype optional. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 08:23, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * +1 Brandnew.  08:35, 22 January 2009 (EST)

This
Seems right up your alley. Fix please. -  (talk)  10:34, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Hai
Do something about Archive:W/any PvE Cleave Warrior. Most definitely inferior to the triple chop thing, but people are rating it great and all.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  04:55, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * when did what happen for Anon to be the #1 pve "Hey, could you fix this"? I know he takes a great interest in doing it which is good tho. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 06:14, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * He's one of the few that actually care about general purpose PvE builds. Most people could fix them up, they just don't. Spaggage  talk  06:23, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * See I look at the build and go, "That is fucking terrible, but I don't care :D". Then that's the end of my day. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  08:29, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * +1 -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 08:32, 24 January 2009 (EST)

Stonefist insignia
as useful as in pvp?--<font color=#585858>Relyk <font color=#66CCFF>_||_ <font color=#333300> I hammers u! 11:05, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Will optimise the DoA heroway later
when I can be fucked to copypaste every template I've made xP so i herd using consets sucks <font color=#1874CD>Napalm <font color=#1874CD>Flame <font color=#000000>contributions  11:44, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Do you
ever PvE any more? If so, what's your ign. Companion-cube.jpg 14:41, 28 January 2009 (EST)

<3
-  (talk)  16:42, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * does "v" qualify for the opposite of "^"? -- -Ch ao s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 16:43, 29 January 2009 (EST)

thanks
me and mizz both too lazy. Saint 16:43, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * np, you actually ec'd me on adding old archives to your talk because I wasnt sure if I was supposed to do that. :P --Anonimous. D: 16:48, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Add me ingame
IGN 'Pika Fan' I wish to discuss making this wiki not so crap for PvE. We have a mission to accomplish tbh. KlingonsOnMahShip? 15:52, 3 February 2009 (EST)
 * Huh? Why am I here?<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  15:56, 3 February 2009 (EST)
 * +1 [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 15:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)
 * Because samefag is same. KlingonsOnMahShip? 16:01, 3 February 2009 (EST)
 * Mission impossible is impossible. 17:24, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not true, according to Mission Impossible.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  18:08, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * mission pointless is pointless. 21:11, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not true, according to pointy pink llamas.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  21:21, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * You just cant live without impersonating anyone right? --Anonimous. D: 05:28, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * And what you just said makes a lot of sense with regards to the convo earlier. <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  05:48, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm only left to guess what was the point of that convo. --Anonimous. D: 06:32, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * And knowing not the point of the convo, you proceeded to comment randomly. Your actions and reactions were understandable.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  06:36, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Fear Me!
Yet again I am back with my username. --Anonimous. D: 05:26, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Scary shiz Andy 08:50, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Good sir
You are a nigger and a faggot. I hope you fall onto a spike and get impaled. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  20:23, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wow yur nice Andy 20:29, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * NPA means nothing to Crow, does it? 20:31, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Crow <3 Anon awwwwww--Relyk 20:33, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * Moo. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  20:37, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * nun num takes too much shit on this wiki.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:40, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 * I voted against him on rfbm he couldnt cope with it lmao. --Anonimous. D: 05:19, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Or maybe I don't care about you opposing me on rfbm and I just think it's fun to flame you. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  06:34, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * So your just an asshole? Andy 08:07, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Crow is sexy, if being as apparent asshole is sexy, then it isn't being as asshole. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  08:08, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Flaming people for fun is being an asshole. Andy 08:09, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Crow > policies. HE IS ABOVE THE LAW. -- 08:21, 7 February 2009 (EST)

Allow me to illustrate:  Ricky  vantof  08:12, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * So i herd the Crow>policies thing lies? Andy 08:50, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * So i herd that all the cool people on the wiki are BOYCOTTING UNTIL PHEN APOLOGIZES TO CROW. On that note, BOYCOTT PVX UNTIL ANDY APOLOGIZES TO CROW. -- 08:51, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Or Crow can just stop being stupid and not get banned by Phen or flamed back by Andy.
 * Note to Ricky: [[image:Distracting_Shot.jpg]] --Anonimous. D: 09:09, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * TBH Crow is the physical form of manly men. -- 09:11, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Arent you boycotting Guild? --Anonimous. D: 09:12, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Gonna be boycotting a long time Andy 09:13, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's not a very good skill in PvE Anonimous. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  11:10, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * [[image:Cry of Pain.jpg]] <- more appropriate.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  12:29, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Both rangers with cop and mesmers with d-shot fail, so I disagree - presuming you intend to swop skill not character. 13:43, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * You can Arcane Echo Echo and Echo D-Shot but I agree. Wouldnt say D-Shot is bad in pve I found it very useful in many cases. --Anonimous. D: 13:45, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * If my Ranger wasn't weighed down by an inventory full of Kanaxai 's Mallets, I would try echo echo dshot straight away. As it is I hate rangers and I think their best use is Kanaxai Mallet storage. Andy 15:47, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Why do you need so many mallets? sell them or give away or dont pick them up at all. --Anonimous. D: 16:04, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Give me one, I customized my hammer for my war which prevents me from using it on my ranger when I get bored :D -- -Ch ao s-   16:06, 7 February 2009 (EST)
 * Deep isn't the most profitable of places. Mallets sell for 1k.... slowly :p. I keep them ebcause I don't like any of my characters feeling useless. Andy 16:15, 7 February 2009 (EST)

So ur doin "E"s
-_- 15:01, 13 February 2009 (EST)
 * I am, blame Phen for it. You can start on "F" maybe? --Anonimous. D: 15:03, 13 February 2009 (EST)
 * ill get F through M, you can have the rest. If phen doesnt get them first. 15:05, 13 February 2009 (EST)
 * Fine, sorry about that btw. --Anonimous. D: 15:06, 13 February 2009 (EST)
 * Awww, I wanted to do the MF's. Damn you Jebus! [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">15:11, 13 February 2009 - )
 * Do stuff after "M"? --Anonimous. D: 15:13, 13 February 2009 (EST)
 * It was a joke......mf=motherfucker. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">15:49, 13 February 2009 - )
 * magic find tbh--Relyk 21:42, 14 February 2009 (EST)
 * Diablo fuckin owns...--(wikiguru)24.216.121.135 12:43, 15 February 2009 (EST)

People here suck at pve... v___v
Tbh, I'm starting to see your point there. We need good PvE BM's to spank the retards here. So many wtf builds because these BM's don't tend to give a crap about non-PvP builds. -- -Ch ao s-   17:45, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * tbh, stfu. if you're talking about your bad running build with no hex removal, it's bad. --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">17:46, 15 February 2009 


 * not just that. -- -Ch ao s-   17:47, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * and Tai, hit the road or I'll start a NPA flood leading into us both getting banned. Yay. -- -Ch ao s-   17:48, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * No, you'll get banned. I haven't and don't plan on insulting you, no need to rage --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">17:49, 15 February 2009 

Tai running. -- -Ch ao s-   17:53, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * funny shit --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">17:55, 15 February 2009 
 * needs more hex removal =/ /sarcasm --Anonimous. D: 18:20, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * tbh I should exclude DS for Mending and Dash for Arcane Echo (for PnH ofc, *cough*), because Tai was also QQing about survivability. I promise this won't die. -- -Ch ao s-   18:29, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Running =/= PvE. I would say that running is actually the shit-end of pve, mainly because it's boring and doesn't really earn all that much. Oh, and did I mention that it's easy? [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">18:31, 15 February 2009 - )
 * So, not trying to be an ass here, but what makes you think you're so pro at pve? =/  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 18:38, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Running dungeons is profit. -- -Ch ao s-   18:38, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I don't consider "running" the same thing as "running dungeons". That seems more like farming to me. But w/e. Either way, you guys aren't arguing about running dungeons, you're arguing about a gay-ass running build. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">18:40, 15 February 2009 - )

Wow.. it's the small things that matter Check what it looked like. -- -Ch ao s-   18:50, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I wouldn't discard running as much as you do it now, there are profitable runs and there is skill involved to do it as efficiently as possible and there is simply no reason to keep running section in terrible state, full of fossilised builds just because there are more pvp orientated (lazy) players then pve. So, I like what chaos is doing at the moment and what is better he knows what he is doing. --Anonimous. D: 18:53, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I've said on Phen's page and other places that I appreciate people trying to clean up the builds especially the running section. I've also said that I'm happy we have people who know stuff about running, because I know only enough about running to do Droks, LA, SC, SoO, CoF, and a few others (and I hate doing them). BUT my point was that most PvE players don't spend their time running. So, therefore, running is not the equivalent of PvE. I'd say most PvE players hate to run (probably why they're willing to pay for runs). [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">18:58, 15 February 2009 - )
 * Noticed Life's comment now.. I don't claim to be pro at PvE or anything else for that matter, but that running section has some seriously crap builds.. People trashvote a build because DS is strippable, that's saying DS sucks, which is a false statement that only means the guy who said it sucks.. -- -Ch ao s-   19:00, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I 100% agree with the OP and think it deserves a userbox. Enjoy.

Andy 19:08, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * People pay for runs simply because they cant do it and need to get to given destination to advance their character faster and then being abl to run what they want. I know quite alot of people who always run, that being their primary source of income, matter of taste really.
 * Running is part of pve because it involves pve enviroment. Player vs. Enviroment, enviroment throws Deep Freeze at you and you learn dodging it and running past as fast as your bar allows. --Anonimous. D: 19:09, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * lol, nice one Andy :p --Anonimous. D: 19:10, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * No offense to any people who think they're "leet pve-ness", but since when was PvE hard? Short of running (which I suck at) I haven't really come across anything that someone with a decent amount of experience can't do on the first or second try. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:12, 15 February 2009 - )
 * How old and in how many places has this conversation taken place? Deep isn't hard. What I find hard is 13 minute deep. Andy 19:14, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * PvE is not about how hard it is but how fast and eficient you are, have explained it alot of times. Andy gave perfect example. --Anonimous. D: 19:15, 15 February 2009 (EST)

I am terrible at PvE, but I soloed a ranger using a HC rit with no offensive spells ^_________^ -  (talk)  19:16, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * ^ that is more impressive to me than any PvE-ness. Also, finishing the Deep in half an hour rather than 13 minutes isn't going to kill anyone. So....yea, idc about that. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:18, 15 February 2009 - )
 * So you think someone who finishes deep in 13 minutes is as skilled as a person who finishes in 30? Andy 19:19, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Is that what I said? No. What I said is that I don't care either way. If it took me 20 more minutes to do a UW run, I honestly wouldn't give a rats ass but if I get dshotted to death I'm gonna be pissed. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:22, 15 February 2009 - )
 * /sigh, pvpers make me sad  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 19:24, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * ^ --Anonimous. D: 19:25, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * PvE is just about being fast as wtf and not dying while at it. And if that build is a running build that requires skill you trashvote it. --Dandybot 19:26, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * My point was missed, I'm terrible at PvE, so I keep the fuck out and trust people like Anonimous and Chaos to keep that section clean. They care about it and know about, people do use those sections, especially the farming and running sections. They shouldn't suck. By the way, our PvP section is pretty mediocre too but most of the BMs can't be fucked fixing it. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  19:26, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I tried to work around your post so it made sense with relavence to the conversation. Now i'm just confused. Andy 19:28, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's because you missed some of my QQ's in other places. --Dandybot 19:28, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * {to Life) I'm not solely pvp, just so you know. Most of my chars have beaten every game and I farm and vq every once in a while. I just found over time that I enjoy pvp more because it's not as ridiculously easy and boring for me. I'm sure some people keep finding PvE entertaining, but I just get really bored with it easily. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:30, 15 February 2009 - )

pve is serious shit --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  19:31, 15 February 2009 (EST)


 * Boring troll. We need PvE BM's to fix crap. -- -Ch ao s-   19:32, 15 February 2009 (EST)


 * Oj, dont even start it again... --Anonimous. D: 19:33, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * So you don't enjoy pve, doesn;t mean that people that do are bad at the game and play pve ebcause its "easy". Andy 19:34, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Shush, don't feed the trolls. It's alright Anon, you have real friends now. Andy, PvE is about slaughtering meat as fast as possible for profit. Nothing more. --Dandybot 19:35, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Feed lots. Only fun I'm going to have at this time of night. Andy 19:37, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Feed them untill they explode? Nice tactic, friends. --Anonimous. D: 19:38, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Once fed up a bit, they talk lots of shit. Shit (of this kind) makes me laugh. Andy 19:39, 15 February 2009 (EST)

i like to tHink that while anOnimous and i don't Really See eyE to eye on every issue that we have a degree of mutual respect in the interest of cooperation. -  (talk)  19:39, 15 February 2009 (EST)


 * I like to think too. Mizzles, any support for more PvE BM's? --Dandybot 19:40, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * BMs tend to be massive trolls and massive headaches. Anonimous is alraedy prone to trolling. Maybe we should just ban all BMs and trust me to sort out both build sections with reckless abandon. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  19:42, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Is there a BM specifically identified with PvE? Oh, and Andy, I never said people who primarily PvE suck. I just said that I find it boring. As I've said three times now, do whatever the fuck you want in GW. We all have our own tastes. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:43, 15 February 2009 - ) Mis spelled HORSE, heh
 * It's because becoming a BM is winning the popularity contest, which requires the nominated guys to be hilarious jackasses in the first place. --Dandybot 19:44, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * "No offense to any people who think they're "leet pve-ness", but since when was PvE hard?" Don;t know how that reads to you, but to me it means "all you peopel who think your good at pve suck because its not even hard to do". Andy 19:45, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * PvE had a purpose until PvX and Shadow Form. --Dandybot 19:48, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * (to Andy) If that's how that reads to you, then you're bad at reading or too defensive. My point was that PvE isn't hard....and be honest, it's not. Now, doing a Deep run in 13 minutes is hard, but that's not what I said now is it? Most people who PvE don't try to break speed records or run the hardest dungeons in the game. They just play the game....so their PvE experience is easy. You can still beat all the games and vq pretty easy even if you suck, but that doesn't mean that you can be awesome at pve. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:54, 15 February 2009 - )
 * /sigh, pvpers make me sad  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:01, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Life, let's /wrists and read our emo poems out loud to eachother, then cry til' we finally fall asleep. --Dandybot 20:03, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Different things mean different things to different people. "think they're "leet pve-ness", but since when was PvE hard?". I think I'm good at pve, and what your saying there is that what I do isn't hard. That implies I'm bad. Means a different thing to me, against someone who only vanquishes or does missions in pve. Andy 20:05, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * It doesn't imply you're bad, it implies you do something that isn't challenging beyond having patience to start again after a failwipe. --Dandybot 20:07, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Chaos....whose side are you on? Also I lol at people who wipe in elite areas.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:25, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * There's sides now? --Dandybot 20:30, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yes, it's the pve-rs vs the pvp noobs who think they know shit about pve.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:36, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * You categorize me. I'm so emo neither one wants me on their side. --Dandybot 20:39, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * vs Chaos  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:42, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I used to PvE/Run alot but now I ended up obsing pvp, trolling pvx and reading comments from better players to not be so crap. --Dandybot 20:45, 15 February 2009 (EST)


 * Why should anon get BM cause he is "amazing" at pve, he has yet to make many really contributions to the pve database, everyother BM has had to update builds for months (gstar, saint, rawr etc), if he actually generally updated a lot of the pve builds and showed he was pro pve then yes he would me a good bm, but someone who comes on, tells everyone they are bad at pve and moans about pvp being 98% time is not BM worthy [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  20:48, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * I don't even find him amazing at PvE and I don't care if he is or not. You can think he's a scrub all you like, but this guy actually has the will to improve our PvE section, and knows enough of how to do it. If he trolls then ban.. Simple enough. --Dandybot 20:51, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * You don't need BM to improve the build database, if he goes and updates a fair few builds and such, and does it continuesly, then he has potential, but saying he "could" is pointless, because if he isn't, he isn't BM worthy [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  20:53, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * FROSTY RAAAGGGEEE!!!! Lets see chaos, obsing sucks. Trolling is fun as hell. Reading comments from good players is impossible because theyre all self obsessed douchebags who don't explain anything they say, are addicted to pokemon, and use phrases like adjective noun is adjective.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:57, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * Danny, i love you and all, and I'd defend you, but wow, pwnd by everyone. ^^ [[Image:Ride_the_Lightning.jpg|19px]] Good night L A 
 * Iffy, gtfo. --Dandybot 21:02, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * The correct formula is X Y is X good sir --<font color="Green">Oj <font color="Green">▲ <font color="Green">mo  21:09, 15 February 2009 (EST)

lolwhat? ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ  21:49, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * compressing our past discussion into 7 letters. gj. --Dandybot 21:53, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's a gift. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 22:05, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * EL OH EL. Those aren't good players. That is all. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  03:15, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Attention
If you have any wish of becoming a buildmaster, please accept your nomination here. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 05:08, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * So someone did RfBM him ;o --Dandybot 05:15, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * You, danny? [[Image:GNLA.jpg|150px]] 11:39, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * You see it was Mafaraxas from the RfBM page. Anon, your image sucks. --Dandybot 14:39, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * There's a reason for that, tbh. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">14:40, 16 February 2009 - )
 * Because I dared to touch your trash PvE section and be proud of it? :p --Anonimous. D: 14:50, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * you dared to think pve actually is serious shit --<font color="Green">Oj <font color="Green">▲ <font color="Green">mo  20:09, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * The entire PvE section of PvX should be deleted/put in userspace then, since it's not articles about serious stuff and as a wiki we should only document serious stuff on main pages.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  20:17, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's kind of what I failed to tell everyone at his RfBM. -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 05:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I did Urgoz's in 38 minutes with random PvP guildies today
Can I haz membership to cool PvE club now? Oh, and what rank is your KoaBD title btw? I've been wondering that for a while. hidden spam, ftw! (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">21:55, 16 February 2009 - )
 * I won Halls with random PvE guildies once. :) Ironboot 09:30, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Doesn't answer my question. I still want membership to the kool klub and to know his KoaBD rank. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">17:01, 17 February 2009 - )
 * 38 minutes is too long... --Anonimous. D: 19:22, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * 38 minutes is twice the record. Anything above 25 is lame.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 19:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * You do Urgoz's in 0 mins? That's pro. Also, do I get my membership to the club or not? Also, what's you KoaBD rank? [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:25, 17 February 2009 - )
 * Record is 19, i do in 22  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 19:26, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not 14? --Anonimous. D: 19:27, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I do it in 38...amiproyet? Also, what's your KoaBD rank Anon? [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:28, 17 February 2009 - )
 * Read above comments and figure it out yourself. :p --Anonimous. D: 19:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm koabd 0. - [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#0d0">Misery <font color="#0e0">Says <font color="#0f0">Moo   19:33, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yea, Mis, but you're not claiming to be a PvE god. Surely, you're at least r1 otherwise I'm sure you wouldn't claim that we all suck at PvE. You can get r1 just from doing vq's and missions. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:35, 17 February 2009 - )
 * My guild hall smells of rich mahogany and everyone else are kind of a big deal, people know them. --Anonimous. D: 19:39, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * ....[[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:40, 17 February 2009 - )
 * pwnt? --Anonimous. D: 19:41, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * 14 is Deep Andy 19:44, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Not quite the word I was looking for. I think the phrase I was looking for was pinche cabron. Look it up [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:45, 17 February 2009 - )
 * Nobody got 13 yet? --Anonimous. D: 19:46, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Nah, we're really inactive atm so rarely even getting 15 Andy 19:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I think
That you may be a good player. If you are interested in running elite areas with us (mainly deep & fow atm, not much happenning but thats partly due to lack of people) then you should whisp me. IGN: Fatman Five. You may have to run any of the mesmer, monk or necro builds seen here here or here. Andy 20:02, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Anon is so gonna have his own opinions about what to run. Clash in 321. -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 20:05, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Actually, if you look at the builds i linked, he liked them (maybe not the fow ones). If he has some valid ideas, we will try them and he may even improve our times. Andy 20:14, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I've been meaning to ask you Andy, what guild are you in? o.O  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * [agro] (Does this mean you have to start hating me now?) Andy 20:26, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Nah, a little friendly competition is always good. Does Randy have something against you guys?  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:28, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Dunno, he seems like angry type that might. He guess he dislikes me (as he kicked me from LOD) but dunno if he cares about that anymore. We agree in arguments on GWGuru lots. Andy 20:30, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Did he give a reason? I might have to bother him about that. [agro] head their own alliance?  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:32, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I was kinda rude I guess, only really joined as a bit of a joke in the first place. Nah, we're in alliance with a couple of deep guilds. One of the other guilds seemed keen on leading and we didn't care so it went that way. Andy 20:34, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hmm, interesting. Going to need to have a talk with Randy about some things lol.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:39, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * lol, kinda deserved the kick but nevermind. I seem to have a knack for pissing off guildleaders - also pissed off [agro]'s old leader and IcU's leader hates me because hes always lagging and I don't. Andy 20:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Nice lol. icU's leader is on pvx; he's pretty cool. I really don't know anything about [agro] tbh. I knew you held urgoz for a while, but i had no idea you held the deep and FoW times. I doubt Randy really has anything against [agro]. He only hates [TAM] lmao.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 20:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah we don't get on because the first time i ran with him, he was DF in doa. It was a pretty bad team and the fact that df was late almost wiped us a few times so I kept bitching at him. He knew he was laggy before the run so imo he shouldn't have come at all as the run requires speed from all party members for decent spikes and to ensure people don't die. I was happy to let it drop but he wasn't so whatever, he talks bollocks like "hows the fag fagboy" when i ask him "hows the lag lagboy?". We also had doa record for a while when we were in alliance with IcU, but they took that back after about 6 months of daily doa. I believe they are now trying for fow, but they have no chance there. Yeah we hate TAM too- theyre dumb and fun to argue with though. Andy 20:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I can guarantee you guys do sonething tricky with the main team in fow. No way in hell the perma needs that much defense.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 21:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Its mainly to make the bridge pull in forest fast. Also, with SF as it is, don't really have the energy to use other things. I saw from Aisha Khan(who joined agro after leaving LOD) you made some "interesting" changes to the builds I suggested in the breif 5 hours I was in LOD. Andy 21:03, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Ahahahahaha, Aisha joined you guys? That's pretty hilarious tbh. She hates us so much. Changes to your build or ours? I don't really understand what you're saying.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 21:07, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, she applied to IcU but then joined us, but didn't last long as everyone found her annoying. (Was nicknamed Little Miss Patronising). Shes now inactive (playing WoW i think) in an alliance guild. When I was in LOD, I posted our fow builds on the forum. When she joined agro she showed me what LOD were using and the amount of single target damage in them surprised me - but different tactics require different builds I guess. Andy 21:13, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah..we kinda made fun of her on vent because she couldn't hear us....I searched our forums and couldnt find your post, but it was probably deleted. From what i remember(been a while since i ran fow), our build really didnt have any single target damage. Mostly cry+esurge+echo+utility. As for your record time, was that pre UA nerf or post? I realize that the original FoW speedclear relied on the terras being rezzed over long distances using UA.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 21:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * The record was after the UA nerf. And yes, we used UA to res one of the terras, but that was only for tanking one group so the nerf didn't really change much... And why are you discussing this on Anon's talk? Ironboot 05:11, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Shh zoddy, just because your not a hawt terra like vice. We got 16 in FoW after UA nerf- only difference it made was that it took an extra 10 minsutes if a terra died not 2 minutes. As we were aiming for record times, if a terra died, ua or not the run was over as far as speedclear was concerned. We just kept terras core (only got 2 exp to this day) so it didn't take long to get up to speed. Maybe I'm getting the builds mixed up, dunno. Concidering we are here, I can't believe we havn't been trolled yet. Andy 06:36, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * moo. Image:Godly  Companion-cube.jpg  13:20, 18 February 2009 (EST)

What? There's two of you agro folks? Crap, I'm going to need to get more guildies on pvx lol. Still about fow, I'm guessing the main team was the limiting factor? I know that at one point or another, both terra roles have been done somewhere around 13 minutes. Main team has always been much longer =/  Life  22:03, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yup, I'm in agro too. And yeah, terras are/were usually done a few minutes before the main team. The team and the terras finish at about the same time now though (on a good run) since Assassin terras kill so much slower... Takes 3-4 minutes to kill at ToS if sliver is used on recharge. ;/ Ironboot 05:56, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * (dunno whats up with my login). This person is also in agro :p. With the terra runs we used for the 16 minute run, under 15 would be impossible I think, and without a major shortcut a faster mainteam is impossible too. How be urgoz? Our core teams compleatly died so we haven't been back since we got 21, so I've been kinda bored :p. - Andy 02:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I have no idea. I know that were down to 22, but I haven't been able to participate in urgoz for some time now. I had a new idea that I wanted to try that would guarantee a record(if the rest of the run was good, ofc), but it was too risky or something for randy to give it a shot. I was tempted to tell icU(they're our allies now, btw) and have them try it when randy shot it down, but that would defeat the purpose. It really wasn't any more risky than what we usually do tbh. The only difference was if you screwed up and got agro, it was a guaranteed wipe instead of a maybe wipe.  Life [[Image:Image-Life Guardian-LOD Avvie.gif|19px]] 02:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone done flaming you? If so.
 * > [[Image:Biggles.png]] [QQ here]  03:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I also have a few (4 or 5 even) things I want to try but haven't had a chance, which is a shame. Now I've almost maxed luxon from Deep, would like to get into urgoz a bit more for kurzick faction but its probably not going to happen. Nevermind, other games ftw. Andy 12:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * True, I play less nowadays too. Unfortunately it is normal for every game to get old and after achieving almost everything there is to achieve there is no longer any drive exept for buying new armor and weapons to dres up my characters. :p
 * Only thing I never done really is PvP, but I cant stand it. Cant say there is that much skill involved as people say there is and you need to be some serious nerd to fight on exact same map for several hours every day having very little skill choice options. --Anonimous. D: 15:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I normally hate repitition, for example I would never re-make a character because storyline is so boring after the first go - but deep is the only exception to this. On average, I've done 2.5 runs a day (not including fails) in the last 3 months - I just don't get bored of it, not at all sure why. I even enjoy hour long pug runs :S. Andy 16:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can guarantee anything that you've thought of, I've suggested. I have thought through EVERYTHING in urgoz, and we already do most of it. It's weird that elite areas don't get boring. I could do urgoz all day, and still be wanting to go one more. You need to get your pvx account back btw. Try Angela's page at renames. Life [[Image:Image-Life Guardian-LOD Avvie.gif|19px]] 16:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've no doubt thats true - I mean I've done so few urgoz runs (kept amber every run, only got 94, some before it started dropping 6 not 4) that theres probably much I'm missing, I can't even remember parts of the run. I was talking to Psy the other day (IcU's leader) and he was saying you guys do the place well but pull far too slowly/badly - prehaps something you need to focus on if you want that record back. Concidering how much you do it, it should be perfectly possible. Yeah I've read the news & rename pages, just need to wait I guess (unless I'm missing something). Andy 16:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I don't really see how he would know that, because as far as I know, they've never been on a run with us. But it's probably true. In theory, all the pulls we do should knock off time, but they would need to be quick. One of the main. Problems is that the main team doesn't follow very quickly after a pull, so we waste the time a pull should be knocking off there. I haven't been on a run yet, but I'm pretty sure we put in icU's way of pulling the first warden room. I'm not sure if were doing it correctly though.  Life [[Image:Image-Life Guardian-LOD Avvie.gif|19px]] 18:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I was told he pulled at least one of your runs - though psy is known to talk a lot of shit. When you do runs, do you make a team, doa few runs, reisnging at the end then going again with exactly the same team? Usually helps us a lot to keep the teams exactly the same and runs close together to they pick stuff up quicker, like when they can run in and stuff. I can't say much on it because I've not been on IcU's or LODs runs, but I know IcU used our run as a base when they started doing urgoz and just developed it. Sounds like you have dozy casters - are your spikes clean? Andy 18:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It really depends. Usually we do 1-2 urgoz, then a doa run. For urgoz, we usually lose two people or so between the first and second runs. I'm really not sure on psy tbh. As for spikes, they're usually pretty clean. Only issues were happening in the second warden room, and now we skip that room.  Life [[Image:Image-Life Guardian-LOD Avvie.gif|19px]] 22:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Its often hard to know what your doing wrong without seeing other teams in action I guess. I've never liked big guilds like that, perfer to stick to small guilds and friend list when making teams - makes it easier to avoid the slow and bad players. Problem with agro is we took it too far and now we don't have enough active people for anything :P Andy 15:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I love about LOD. You can always find people to run an elite area, and inactiviyy isn't really a problem(not that we have that problem :p). As for spikes, we are currenty missing our best called. I don't think you really know our roster, but atm we have Snipes calling for our runs. Li, probably one of the best callers in the game, is currently overseas in the army...I think it would be fun to see your guild in action, but I get on at weird times lately.  Life [[Image:Image-Life Guardian-LOD Avvie.gif|19px]] 19:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, we can barely get people together for 8 man areas - luckily everyone is pretty versatile in what they can play and got a large amount of guild friends who are used to joining our runs. I'd invite you on a run, but guessing when we could form is pretty unreliable (but if you want to come along for some Deep runs or something, let us know!) Athrun Feya 12:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only is guessing when we form unreliable, but so is the team. We tend to have a habit of doing a terrible first run, then improving dramatically for the second. Andy 12:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Doing Deep with you guys would be awesome, but you'd have to kinda bear with me. I follow calls well, but, tbh, ive never done Deep before. As for the first run being bad, that's how every guild is. After our first run of the night, all of our other runs go much smoother. Any chance of a Deep run in like....an hour and a half? :D  Life [[Image:Image-Life Guardian-LOD Avvie.gif|19px]] 20:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't really tell when Deep is gonna happen :P but if your online while we are forming I'll whisper you. Andy 19:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

ups
Archives are neat. -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk). 14:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ): --Anonimous. D: 14:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can archive for you if it makes you feel any better, or then you can be one of those who just get 100 headlines to be neat. -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (stalk) . 14:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I be the latter. By the way wikia doesnt seem to cry about pages being longer than 32kb or something. --Anonimous. D: 15:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They might not, but I do when I have to wait five minutes for my end key to actually take me to the end of the page, or when the TOC fills my screen. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] {&#123;Bacon}} 15:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I was gonna add TOCright to the top but I hit the spam filter. wtf?! -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (stalk) . 15:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

PvE pr0
I'm enlisting you to be the PvE authority for the Guide improvements I'll be making. If you could do me a favor and do the Common PvE Builds section of Guide:Ranger for me in the style of the PvP section, that would be hawt. As I fix the other Professions, I'll probably want your help on that, too. - 15:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah great I have no problem helping with that :) --Anonimous. D: 15:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * .. because you're the only one who cares* :> I might be able to give a hand on some necro builds if it isn't done yet. -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (stalk) . 15:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I think people would like some resolution with this
Could you explain on that talk page why we need ET as a cover hex? Thc seems like he's getting tired of it not being resolved and several of us have no idea why you want to cast AP so early. (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">19:30, 20 February 2009 - )
 * What do you mean cast AP too early? I like ET because it gives cheap, fast cover hex option for every profession. --Anonimous. D: 23:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you cast AP right before the foe dies (you asplode it with shouts) you don't need to cover it. No reverting until this issue is solved. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And how are you supposed to fuel Discord then? I mean, normal hexes from your three Discord heroes but in that case runing with caller loses all point. You cast AP first, followed by YMLaD!, Sin, FH thats how you call for Discord so I think you dont quite know how to run it you two. --Anonimous. D: 10:26, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I've never played it. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * +1 for crappy PvX theorycraft --Anonimous. D: 10:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My original thought was to cast it on aggroing foe, then KJ told me one thing and Iffy told me the other and I was arguing just for the arguing knowing that I just strive for getting ET optionaled. Wut? -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I optionaled ET because Necs have bette back up hexes and Mes have better covers. --Anonimous. D: 10:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition to the fact that every area doesn't have hex removal................... Which you never listened to. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Alot of areas do. --Anonimous. D: 11:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In which case the guy who uses the build takes the skill with him. -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a variant, not a main bar. And it is useful for a cover Hex when needed. I'm with Anon on this one. --☭Guild *talk* 12:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He's the one who mainbarred it, I varianted it.. -- -Ch  ao  s-   12:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, it should stay Varianted. A majority of places do have some Hex removal, yes, but they're not exactly smart with it and you do have a lot of other Hexes flying around on your team. You could just spike the Monk/Hex remover first and be done. --☭Guild *talk* 12:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing on your heroes is 1/4 cast and I think I varianted it today. --Anonimous. D: 13:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey


how about? -- -Ch  ao  s-   12:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm much better at warriors than at rangers so yes. --Anonimous. D: 13:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * join us on the Guide talk then :o -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Need your opinion on
, i think it should be moved to E/any so you can use orders, sw, etc. and what skills should be mainbarred--Relyk 08:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cant say it would perform well as utility build, main reason to use it is that it one of rare fire eles that can do significant damage vs Hard Mode. I dont understand how it got into hero section, every single mechanic it uses heroes struggle with from my expirience. --Anonimous. D: 12:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ^. Ditch hero, mainbar EBSoH and other semi-random OP PvE only shit. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  12:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry honey, but if a poll is edited all the votes are wiped. I made a separate one. -- -Ch  ao  s-   14:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * noticed :s --Anonimous. D: 14:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

PvE Build on the Monk Guide gogo Guide:Monk also feel free to wikify the first occurance of anything on the page that might be considered jargon or a special term. - 15:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

couldve said
u use dslash to knocklock with headbutt--Relyk 00:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * and what do you think its for on d-slash bar? --Anonimous. D: 11:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Random skill that has synergies? I stopped using swords long ago anyways--Relyk 11:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That explains it. Syneries is keeping your target knock-locked, useful against eles and healers and anything really. --Anonimous. D: 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You usually dont need to kd them more than once or twice though--Relyk 12:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Who said that? Keeping them grounded until they die is very useful especially when you can do it. --Anonimous. D: 11:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Gah, I don't remember my vote. -_-  Life  01:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * zzz I asked them to keep your and co's votes but it seems they didnt get it, thats why I should be pve build master at least I will do it right. --Anonimous. D: 12:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you'd be a BM I'd bother you with all my biased vote manipulations, which is why I suggested it in the first place ;o -- -Ch  ao  s-   12:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea but at least I would do it right.... --Anonimous. D: 12:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not always, but yeah. -- -Ch  ao  s-   12:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean not always? --Anonimous. D: 12:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As in one isn't always right. No, I'm not referring to anything. -- -Ch  ao  s-   12:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You cant deny that wiping all votes from that build including good ones was stupid, no BM atm cares to spend more than 30 seconds on pve build. --Anonimous. D: 12:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So sad and true. -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Admittedly, PvE may be the 'other half' of guild wars, but judging by the content that EoTN delivered and the slew of recent updates proves Anets stand on PvE. Merely an afterthought.  There may be those who disagree with me, but the PvE side of Guild Wars is sadly formulaic.  PvP, on the other hand has been their main focus from the beginning.  The only major nerfs I've seen for PvE were mainly Shadow Form, and how the Underworld is farmed.  If you want PvE sections to be taken more serious, try presenting your opinion with a little less bias? [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles  <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  13:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Good points, but I think Anon's opinion has always been "No one gives a fuck about PvE." I also lol'd once at something somewhere in Gaile or Regina's archives on GWW where they said that when they started they were told PvE was the basis of GWs and PvP was tacked on afterwards. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 13:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All I ever do on Guild Wars these days is RA/something in PvE. I honestly wouldn't mind trying PvE from a different angle, because lately I cba to do anything of significant importance related to it. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  13:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be doing Sanctum Cay and the desert in about 4 hours if you want to come along. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 13:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh totalli. I'm banned asshole. :< [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  13:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * wtf? Since when you fgt? And until when? - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 13:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I got banned 2 days ago, so I have like...10 more days. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  14:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a long time to wait to see my hawt new monk. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 14:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * MSN + screen caps imo [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  14:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think you'd learn your lesson then, Mr Bigtymerb7 - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 14:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Q_Q [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  14:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

'' nevermind --Anonimous. D: 01:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

"None of you have any idea what pve is about"
Please enlighten me as to what this magical "P.V.E." is master. I have to know the secret! <font face="Arial" color="gray">16:10, 4 March 2009
 * why should I bother to do it again? just read through this page. --Anonimous. D: 19:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Its about the guild wars. Lord of all tyria 19:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes that too, how top guilds fight it out to hold records for elite areas. --Anonimous. D: 19:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * that's what pve is about? Godbox  19:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * speed, efficiency --Anonimous. D: 19:50, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * HUGE FUCKING DOMOGES. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  19:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * and wiping with a leet build. -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * that's just gay tbh, but eh it's your opinion. Godbox  20:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop being nasty to Anonimous! PvE is really difficult because you can't just spec your build to beat every seperate area without having any skill at all! -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  16:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's because of jingle bears. And you can have omelete fiestas while PvEing.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd 16:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)