User talk:Rask/Archive2

Archive 1

Piracy
I had no idea it's a legal religion in the netherlands O:?!  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  08:31, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not dutch bro... Shadow Chivalry  08:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Derp, was mixing up my facts. Thanks for clarifying. Changed the link too.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  11:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * FAP FAP FAP. Moonite 06:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

March
You said march, but they first need to do Beyond before they actually will release GW2 hahahahahahahaha Shadow Chivalry  08:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The "open" beta is in march :P  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  09:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Then their timing is pretty awful Shadow Chivalry  09:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It can overlap-- Relyk 09:31, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... Shadow Chivalry  09:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Your vote
MM + SoGM + SoS is just redundant as fuck. Depends on how you look at it. The team is made up of 7 squishy casters and presumably a caster player as well. Without a ST Rit, "SYG!" or "SY!" the damage mitigation they provide is entirely justified. If you're going to abuse an MM then take more damage dealers, not crappy single target spirits. Since when does Spiritway crappy damage? Spiritway has time after time proven to be one of the best things you can run in the game, providing great damage mitigation, support and armor-ignoring damage. I'll describe some variants in the designated section, like switching the MM for a ST or another damage dealer, but I hope I convinced you to change your vote. Vorpal  11:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Just put an ST as an optional over SoGM and I'll change it.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  11:31, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't you have said that in discussion instead of trashvoting the build? Arguing that spiritway is terrible is a stupid reason.-- Relyk 12:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * When I say things in a discussion people tend to turn it into a huge shitfest. I find trashvoting and stating my terms works far better.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  13:37, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No that's just keeping the build hostage lol :P Anyway, I added the option of taking a ST Rit in the variants section, I hope it's to your liking now. :) Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 18:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Since when is taking hostages not effective? I've always been inclined to believe it's one of the most effective negotiation tactics in existence. Danny 10:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't always hostage builds, but when I do I always make sure Danny is close by.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  10:38, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Danny's not afraid to cap a build's ass if it comes down to it. ;o Danny 10:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

In other news
so true-- Relyk 12:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Was wondering when you were going to notice that.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  13:37, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Your Vote
Your saying its killing stuff slow, explain please. Since 50% 2x boosted with honor double dragon is a spike, like the UW DD Spiker. Melee's boosted with SoH deal constant damage around 75DPS. I'm just wondering how this makes killing stuff slow. Failing Melee's? Just try not to kill foes to far from where the dervishes are. Build has FB, so that's not making it any slower. The only thing is that you do not ball stuff, but i think 20% or less of the PvE players actually ball, paragons also haven't got good option to deal AoE damage in balls. Sjan talk  16:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * DD is dumb in hm pve, two of them is even dumber. The build has been tested before, it works but it's slow as hell.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  00:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * is the burning not effective? i'd always figured pairing a DD with an Assassin would be pretty hilarious since you could just keep targets constantly burning. Danny 10:38, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Burning shit to death in HM PvE is like trying to bleed shiro to death.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  10:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Burning only affects a single target and doesn't stack, so two would be largely ineffective. Soi Sticker 10:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, really, it's half up time damage 30 damage boosted with honor aoe damage which does not cause scatter, most of the burning will be from the dervish's flash enchants. Sjan talk  15:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * When I thought the build was oriented around burning shit to death I liked it better. I think you're digging yourself into a grave. Danny 20:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * lulz, designing a build just for paragons was stupid in the first place. Playing a shit class just because you can.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  22:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

zzz rask
epic trolling here ^^-- Relyk 19:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It was too easy tbh.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  19:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

urf shakur
we have yati smashe, no need for this silliness (i'll admit ES has 999x cooler animation) Fianchetto 00:25, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * wat Danny 03:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * He thinks yeti smash is better than earth shaker for some reason.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  13:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See, this is exactly why some skills are elite and others aren't. Yeti has two conditions, ES has none. Thus, to not bring two skills to meet the conditions, you might as well take the elite! -- DANDY ^_^ -- 13:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you partially blind? :P
Do you only see the 0 at the rate page :P Shadow  [TC] HA Squad  14:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC) <-- <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   16:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I see 5 too.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  14:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Aaaah, you're of that type, only a 0 or a 5 (10 at other sites). That's how IMDB ratings are created mostly :D <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  14:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * With films and games I take my time to vote accurately. With builds it either is worth vetting or it isn't. There isn't an in between anymore.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  14:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a partially good part that can make it get an extra 1 or 2 in effectiveness/universethingie <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  14:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the good section is for builds that work fine but have faster alternatives. Usually good builds aren't profession specific.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  14:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, yeah, okay :P. Raskles, other question. I just do not get that 14/f/japan XD <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  14:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 14 years old / female / living in japan. You silly goose.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  14:23, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that, but not the reason behind it <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  14:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * He's 14 years-old, female, and living in Japan. What's not to get? Danny 15:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * He's an american for starters, and, he's a dude <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  15:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Commonly used in many internet hotspots, the "ASL" or "A/S/L" is a term meant to quickly, and efficient state that goes: age, sex (as in gender), and location. It's usage is centralized by most pedos and 13 year old girls, where most evidence points that pedophiles were the ones who started the term, and due to the attention-seeking thrill that many pubescent girls seek, they naturally followed. In more modern times on the Net, many people often post fake "asl's" to trap pedos or horny men in general to cyber with a guy. This is essentially what Rask is doing. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 16:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Im just saying, but that isn't my problem! I KNOW WHAT A/S/L IS. Rask is not 14, not a girl, and he is a friggin american <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  16:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "I just do not get that 14/f/japan XD"
 * oh come on. this is a role-playing game wiki. if someone wants to role play a 14/f, just indulge them eh :P i'm going to be 267/?/Klingon from now on. Fianchetto 16:41, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would ask for you to prove that I'm not 14/f/japanese, but I think it would be more fun for you to prove that you exist.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  16:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ego cognito, ergo sum, right? Done! -- DANDY ^_^ -- 02:24, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's cogito ergo sum, actually. :/ -- Jai .  -  03:12, February 20 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I wrote that at 4am on my cellphone, having slept for 12h, before which I was awake some 24h. Now, another 5h later, I got out of bed. Afterwards I thought "lol, I wrote that so wrong": -- DANDY ^_^ -- 07:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We still love you! :D -- Jai .  -  13:11, February 20 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reassurance. I was afraid PvX might look down upon me, was I not able to correctly quote Descartes' thoughts in Latin. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 13:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn fuckin straight. Srs bsns, man. -- Jai .  -  01:21, February 21 2012 (UTC)
 * Has shadow realized the joke yet?-- Relyk 22:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

(RE) Nope Shadow   colloqui de Umbra  22:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

BEHOLD
I have returned my children.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  21:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Dandy. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 02:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * reported &mdash;  ska  02:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wasn't for long XD <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  09:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Where did you return them? -- Jai .  -  01:55, February 28 2012 (UTC)

Problem?
0-0ing a working build is not vote balancing/troll voting? Soi Sticker 01:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My vote provided flawless reasoning. I apologize for your lack of understanding.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  09:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Like a baws! Moonite 06:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

leet paragon builds
User:Kuulpb gogo-- Relyk 01:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * God I hate paragons XD  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  01:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Paragon? you mean homosexuals.Moonite 06:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Testing
 RąʂKɭɘş ♣  With Love~  01:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Cuteness +1 <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 01:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Homoerotica +2 Pew   Pew   01:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  With Love~  01:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 *  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  01:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * -- DANDY ^_^ -- 14:39, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ^-- Relyk 20:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Erection +9001Moonite 06:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

from

 * If you split the merge then they'd both be 5-4 can you explain that reasoning? aren't votes technically based on Effectiveness and Univ? i may be wrong since i never vote anyway. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 18:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Seperately they were meta builds used by a ton of players, merging them ruined the build. We merge builds that have the same playstyle, like multiple variants for SC's when all of them use the same defensive set just different offensive skills. The playstyle is the same across fireway, sandstorm, and snoway, all focus on balling around a boss mob and spiking with AoE. These two builds however are completely different playstyles, one spams single target damage to accompany discord or other single target spike teams, the other uses ap to quickly spam domination shutdown across mobs. I don't like either of them, but as is the merge took two meta builds and shoved them together against the general consensus. Soi's little temper tantrum started this whole chain of events.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  22:54, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * so basically, if we merge the ST page with the Onslaught page, they both stop performing well ingame? and while it's true that the old illusion bar was single-target focused, i think you can agree the new bar is better with AoE (and if for some reason you prefer single-target, the echo evas combo is still there). the illusion version has been expanded to include strong AoE, so the playstyles are actually quite similar. it's not as simple as "this is discord, that is AoE." other people could also ignore the dom AoE and say dom is for echo evas. which also makes no sense. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 02:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Or you could just ignore the entire idea because in reality mesmer elites outshine AP. Reread my reasoning and then address it properly man, you're ignoring all the points I made and using really bad hypotheticals to counter my distaste for this page.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  03:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * i addressed all your relevant points, which weren't many. your "distaste" seems to be based on an issue of indexing and presentation (and something else), yet you 0-0 it and pretend it's because the build itself is bad (even though you 5-5 the same stuff earlier, saying that the build is good). it's pretty obvious. that's the point you're ignoring.
 * and your AP ele vote...lol! why not be consistent and 0-0 all the AP builds with the same reasoning that EBSoW and AoS > AP? i mean, sure it takes up 2 pve skill slots, but it'll free up the elite, right? good stuff man, you make this site interesting &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 16:12, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is mostly true that running AP doesn't really offer an advantage. Recharges are short enough with FC that your damage output is higher with esurge/ineptitude. Well rask would say just Ineptitude as loldamage. You're only running AP for spiking with the EVAS spam.-- Relyk 16:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest I only run ineptitude on heroes, it's tedious to play manually. My mesmer is panic,esurge, or PI 90% of the time.@Fianchetto my vote on the AP mesmer was originally the same as the AP ele, soi went to the AN without consulting me and had it removed. I revoted and went into further depth on my reasoning, the reason it hasn't been removed is because A. There's nothing wrong with my reasoning and B. the build is bad.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  20:13, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Specifics about your vote
Since you've ignored what I've said on the talk in favor of arguing with Soi more: I'd appreciate a direct response to these issues, since I didn't get that from the discussion that occurred since I posted last night. -- Toraen   confer  17:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC) He later switched it to 0-0 because he was sick of people complaining about his vote. The build as it is is pretty crappy. The only thing I might see an AP mes doing would be Chaos Storm spam, which is that the AP Nuker did before everything got fucked up from this stupid merge. -- Jai .  -  22:14, March 5 2012 (UTC)
 * The optionals shitfest has been cleared up: anyone looking at the page can easily drop in the appropriate skills for dom/illu.
 * Votes aren't for merge/split discussion: Are the build options provided effective (+uni)? That's all the vote should be addressing.
 * Probably should also remove the whining about AN drama. Votes aren't the place for that.
 * Let me put it this way, soi argues that the build was in great for 3 years, I can't watch every single build on the wiki. The build was brought to my attention and it's my personal opinion that this gives no benefit over any other mesmer build. He argues that AP counters recharge times while there are pve skills that are equally effective for the player(AoS) and for the entire party(EBoW). This build is a poor choice over any basic dom build, he argues that PI is "hard" and players lack skill to use it, but skill level isn't taken into consideration when vetting builds. If the build works, and is better than the competition, or has a niche use then it gets vetted. AP doesn't have a niche use where it is superior to the alternatives, it's not better than the other competition, and hex removal fucks your elite. I can update my reasoning to reflect this, but I'm not changing my vote.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  02:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Reasoning changed.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  02:12, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * AoS is terrible and very unreliable. EBoW is limited by chance and skill type. Skills that assist with recharge aren't even close to being on the same level that as spamming mass recharges. Hex removal isn't much of an issue unless it's Expel Hexes and often times it can be countered by skill and timing even without a cover. Cuilan 02:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * AoS is only a weak substitute for AP when your secondary is locked. It is in no way a superior replacement. PvE skills are stronger than an elite skill, especially when heroes are better at being AoE damage-orientated. You didn't actually say whether or not the build itself was effective. Stop comparing builds (not to mention builds with different usage), you only do that when faced with WELL. Soi Sticker 02:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, 0-0ing the build is retarded.-- Relyk 03:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Original vote was 2:1, soi wasn't too happy with that either. @Cuilan and Soi, if you're so bad at pve that you can't get AoS to trigger then maybe you don't belong on a wiki dedicated to efficiency. AoS triggers far more than needed, EBSoW is a 50% chance at r10 which is assumed by wiki standards, and playing a caster class without a 40/40 set is for fucking imbeciles. You're wasting your elite. Period. Mesmers have great energy management. Trashing your elite and your secondary for a skill that barely helps you is a stupid idea. I trash voted the ele bar for the same reason, if you link me to any other AP spammer I'm probably going to trash that as well. The build has fallen from it's glory days, there are better alternatives. Clinging to it like a sinking ship is foolhardy, so I'd suggest you just archive it.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  03:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Because AoS triggers the recharge after every kill and ebsow has the ability to halve recharge times of shouts rite. Soi Sticker 04:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Because shouts do more damage than your mesmer nukes and provide AoE shutdown. Oh wait... Where are those numbers you were supposed to make up? Where's that super 1 in a million situation where this out does any of the meta mesmer builds? I've provided plenty of reasoning for my vote, you've provided none for why my vote is incorrect. You spit out half truths and vague accusations without ever making a point. Don't reply to this until you have irrefutable proof that your build is superior to the other mesmer builds. To save your breath "spammable single target damage" doesn't qualify here. Goodluck and happy hunting cowboy.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  04:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're thinking far too one-dimensionally. Do you really think a Mesmer player would not bring Mesmer heroes because he himself is an op Mes? Come now. You'll have to wait a bit for the numbers, can't be bothered currently as it seems you don't read anything I write, considering you think they're vague and half-truths. When did I say it was superior to other Mesmer builds? Have you been running on the assumption that a build has to be better than another one to be vetted? Most Mesmer builds are nukers while this is built to spike and support nukes also. Fine, Soul Twisting is the best build for a ritualist; let's trash the rest since SoS got nerfed to oblivion and ST mitigates more damage than mbas heals. AP-MoP is the best build for a necro; let's trash those shitty minion master builds and orders. Fuck melee buffing and meatwalls, fowsc doesn't use them. So... Delete VoS derv and Onslaught, as Relyk and Jai clearly favour Pious Renewal derv. I hope you see where I'm going. Learn to vote and read and all that shit. If this is a personal vendetta, come at me bro. Soi Sticker 06:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I love VoS and PR equally-- Relyk 08:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ohbtw, since you like quoting me, I'll quote you for a change. "If you split the merge then they'd both be 5-4. If you want to make a guide then make a guide, don't make a guide and vet is as a build." You keep shifting logic. Also that Necro bomber bar is worse than the mes bar since it can't push kills. Have a goodnight yer ignorant Indian(hey, I'm the cowboy after all). Soi Sticker 08:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Calling indians ignorant isn't very politically correct. That's pretty much the best bar for necros to take in HM PvE, mesmers have better options, I changed my stance on the split ages ago if you'd bother to read my vote, you still haven't offered valid numbers or situations, "you're wrong" is still your basis of argument. We done here?  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  08:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You guys have been saying the same stuff over and over for last like 10 statements-- Relyk 08:50, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're linking being ignorant to being an Indian? That's really not politically correct. There is no relation to your ignorance and being an Indian. Anyway, you don't actually appear to be answering any of my arguments and can't actually argue yourself apart from several contradictions and poor logic. When you want to reply without bullshitting, I can't wait for that day. You're right, Relyk, because I am talking to a brick wall. For the last time I'll remind you that you don't compare alternative builds until a build is welled. Soi Sticker 08:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't WELL a trashed build yo. By the way I could complain just as much as your 5-5 vote. Any class can take EVAS and arcane echo. Any mesmer build can spam nukes. You should probably be more descriptive in your vote reasoning. Plus I'm not the only one trash voting that bad build :P  With Love~,  ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  11:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * it's probably just because you have an established history of lame votes. until you learn how to use the 2, 3, and 4 buttons appropriately, expect to see more of these facepalm sections on your talk page. i'm not going to start another one on your AP ele vote though. it's just a miracle you're still allowed to vote stuff. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 19:52, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Original vote was 2:1."
 * You're still saying that it's not a 0-0 build and only voting low to spite us. Soi Sticker 22:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If I had someone ranting everywhere without providing any real evidence to back up their case, I'd probably do the same. As several people before me have said, either give us some valid arguments for why it shouldn't be trashed/archived, or stop bitching about it. You have a whole 2 weeks to figure out your case, so stop spamming the talk pages with crap that has nothing behind it. Also, comparison with other builds is 100% valid in votes. Once something is in testing you don't WELL it unless it's absolutely in violation of policy (flare spammer, etc.) and instead, you just vote on it. Not comparing a build to that profession's other options is just stupid, to be honest. -- Jai .  -  22:28, March 5 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a lovely little policy Alex, Rask, Jai, and Me love to follow. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 22:46, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Uhh, vincent, who exactly are you addressing here? I don't really see how OWN would apply here. -- Jai .  -  23:39, March 5 2012 (UTC)
 * So, it has come to this. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 03:34, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No Vincent.-- Relyk 03:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I suggest everyone involved read the full ap mes page to see why it wasn't trashed in the first place. Soi Sticker 01:08, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Soi, your arguments revolve around the build being good/great in the past, and you haven't brought up very many points as to why it's worth running over full Dom/Illu in terms of damage or utility now. Your slippery slope argument was also very stupid, especially when you started comparing ST and SoS. Trashing a mesmer build in favor of other mesmer builds on the basis of damage and shutdown potential does not mean he has to trash an offensive hybrid to a purely defensive bar to be consistent. You may have some useful points but it's honestly hard to see them under your more terrible arguments.
 * Rask, consider whether AP builds are worth keeping as the semi-cspace option for casters, as we do have those for melee (PR/Onslaught when compared with VoS, for example). Like PR, AP builds can certainly AoE groups down, but aren't as focused on it. I'm pretty sure we haven't moved PvX to only store tank & spank, as non-HB/VoS melee still exist here. -- Toraen   confer  02:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't want it to look like I was ignoring you Toraen, hope my explanation on msn covered all of the bases.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  04:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok so, quick recap for misery and phen as per Toraen's request:

My vote is based on the fact that mesmers have better alternatives that require the same amount of skill and can easily c-space. This used to be meta before the update and it sat around for quite awhile, however pure illusion or pure domination mesmers surpass it in utility and over all damage. AP is a wasted elite on this class (and on Eles). Whereas necros don't have anything better to run (hence my 5-5 on that build). If either of you really care enough for me to go in depth on my analysis then feel free to poke me on msn.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  04:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did understand your vote. I thought it was pretty clear. I suspect most people think that means I agree with you. It doesn't mean that at all, my opinion about the build is irrelevant ^_______________^ A new misery  07:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I will respect your right to vote for what you believe in, Rask, no matter how wrong it is. Archive it. Soi Sticker 07:37, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * [[File:Dreamsicle.jpg]]

 With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  11:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * go archive E/A &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 14:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't think it was ever used enough to deserve archive tbh. Is it trashed now?  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  15:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * did you just say people don't play AP ele &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 16:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is your goal to archive the build or are you just here to bother me? In either case you're wasting your time here.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  16:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * AP ele was basically the ele meta over on Guru, and probably for most people over here as well. Hell, there's a bunch of people who still think AP is the best build for ele's. Yeah, it should be archived, or just kept in Good or something. -- Jai .  -  17:50, March 6 2012 (UTC)
 * You're idiots if you think it's surpassed by a human running EA fire. Soi Sticker 21:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Focusing on heavy AoE damage and not relying on a single target hex is so dumb, what morons! AP sucks now man, just let it go. No one is telling you that you can't run the build if you want. @Jai, I've been hearing guru more and more often, guru is a joke: Linked by Relyk  With Love ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  02:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Because being able to spike down priority targets isn't necessary at all. Right? Not like the rest of your team can run heavy AoE... i c ur point, sense perfect maek. Oh, wait; This is a team game? Heroes can't use PvE skills? Prots exist?!?! So many problems with saying AP eles are bad and you only make half-hearted reasons that aren't really true. EVAS is a meat wall, KD and lots of armour ignoring, unblockable damage. You can spike hard with Orb+Ymlad and still use AoE to assist your heroes when the priority targets are down and things start dropping. People keep saying you know alot about how this game works, so I'll assume you're trolling whenever you're wrong and don't want to substantiate your claims. Soi Sticker 02:51, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * it may seem that Rask can't understand logical, objective debating, but it's worth a try, eh? if you think he's trolling, why do you keep feeding him. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 03:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems neither of us have anything better to do. I do this while I'm working mostly, which is quite boring compared to this. Soi Sticker 03:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * @Rask, I couldn't agree more, though Guru's still contains the slightly more intelligent side of GW. The point was that it's easy to see what's actually meta rather than what the PvX playerbase of 10 thinks is probably meta from doing a few ZMissions. If a bunch of people actually do run a build, it probably does deserve to be archived (if you didn't know, PvX is actually just supposed to record the meta, though that rule's bent a ton for PvE). Soi, you can't just keep going on talking about how people don't have evidence when they actually do. Non-AP mesmers can still provide shittons of single-target damage, but on top of that they can bring huge AoE and ridiculously OP stuff like Panic or PI. Who's stopping a regular mesmer from bringing Arcane Echo+EVAS or taking YMLaD? The reason why people don't run that is because, well, it's not needed. If you really want big-ass cspace damage, run an illusion mesmer. And if there is a situation where you might have troubles taking a specific target down (say, in a place with a bunch of healers or passive defense), then Panic will probably be far more useful for shutting down the mob so you can kill the high-priority target than a bunch of single-target damage.
 * In short, rask has plenty of reasons to trash the AP mesmer and ele, and at this point arguing further is just digging yourself deeper into a hole that's going to alienate you from the other members of PvX (and thus make it impossible to sway people's opinions even when you have something valid to say - it's probably already happened), all before you've been here for more than a few weeks. -- Jai .  -  08:16, March 7 2012 (UTC)
 * So basically, you're as ignorant as he is. This is so pointless now since you clearly did not read my last post. Illusion mesmers are shit for utility and can't spike... Soi Sticker 08:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'm the one that's not reading... -- Jai .  -  08:51, March 7 2012 (UTC)
 * You're a lone wolf fighting a long and hard war. I wish you luck my friend, perhaps some day you will end the elitist tyranny of pvx, but until then, stop being so bad.  With Love ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  10:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Minecraft
So we got a pretty nice setup on our server. Now "The End" resets 10 minutes after all players vacate it which means you can fight the dragon multiple times to farm experience. We added a "Factions" system which allows ownership of land, clans, wars, and alliances. A full server store and marketplace has been implemented and the economy system is starting to balance itself out. We had a few issues with pricing, some folks exploited shit so we wiped their wallets luzl. I built a starting area for the main guild which is under the ocean, beneath a glass ceiling with a 70 block drop, and focused in a giant unground/undersea jungle with mammoth trees and tons of cave systems. It's turning out pretty nice. Once we get everything stable and working we'll release the IP to a few public forums.  With Love ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  07:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

TESTING
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!  Raskhax ↓  →  ↑  B  16:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

answers
Dude... a wall of pure mucle... epic anwer on my page..!! <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  19:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * got to watch out for that broham-- Relyk 19:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Calm down man, I don't want any problems!  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  19:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm just not into
--  Shadow Step
 * Get the hint --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  22:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A double twisty pun :P. Substep-Dubstep and Shadow Step XD, damn, I'm too good XD --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  22:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're a very good, well behaved, cute dork.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  22:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  22:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * meanie --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  22:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's still an excellent sig. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 12:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Check it
;O  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  16:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Guru
While I generally disagree with your dissension of gwguru, there are some things I can't ignore. In particular is one that I've met one too many times in recent trolling. She has posted multiple threads on the same magnitude of stupidity. In every single post she uses the random capital letter shit. She signs initials on every post and response like we plainly can't see her profile and name already. But this was the breaking point: -- Relyk 14:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC) RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  21:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC) ahahaha Pew   Pew ♥   22:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 *  That's  the thing that pushed you over the edge with Guru? Pew   Pew ♥   16:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Air Ele"
 * "Merc Air Ele"
 * The other posts are just as bad.-- Relyk 03:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Guru was never good.Moonite 06:38, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Leave it alone
Leave britney alone. <font color="Black">Frostels 11:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose she has enough problems fitting in. Fine with me.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  19:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * rask so bored?-- Relyk 19:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My dog likes to sit on my bed and watch me go about my business on the wiki. Gotta keep her entertained :). I need your help btw, get on msn/gw D:  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  19:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * School all day, ups-- Relyk 19:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Spring break!?! D:  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  19:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * yeah, you're bored-- Relyk 21:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Come home and play with me onii-chan.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  22:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Dominating Wind
regardless of the retarded name and the retarded bar, Second Wind could actually be put to some seriously good use. i'm thinking a flagger or split bar or something like that. Danny 23:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't GvG, never have. Never have voted on a GvG build, so I wouldn't know.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  23:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)