Archive talk:Team - Nuking Zaishen FFF

Ready for Comments Exper ienced 22:02, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * 3 MoRs is a bit redundant, don't you think? I mean, its already AoE on its own. [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]]  Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 01:43, 16 February 2008 (EST)

MoR?? Lol Exper ienced 02:58, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Take at least one trapper imo. Helps tremedously against the IWAY/Trappers/Hex teams. Hikari 03:12, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Not needed. Just bring two SF, with glyph sac, and a monk. you will win afk. --Readem 03:13, 16 February 2008 (EST)


 * No offense, but who would farm Zaishen? They have a cap to how much faction you can gain per day and that cap is pretty low. (2,000 in Challenge, 6,000 in elite). I would rather just do RA or something all day. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  07:56, 16 February 2008 (EST)


 * Hai 2 u 2. Zaishen is for l33ts. God  box   14:31, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * The main reason of this build, is to farm Balth faction.. obviously.. Why it will be done, probaly for key's or Faction to buy Skills / Equipment. And Yes, you could RA all day in get more... But you could do this for about an hour and get 6k faction. Then go to RA and get even more [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]Exper ienced 18:52, 16 February 2008 (EST)


 * Inferior to Solo-Trapping or Group-Trapping IMHO. Trapping = Easier and Simpler.
 * Not Exactly, With Trapping there is a certain percent that you will fail.. E.G they dont run onto traps same time, Use Rez.. Caster's wont come into right range.. This build will not fail and can kill any group without Prep of Players. [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]Exper ienced 01:29, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * About being simpler, This is basically.. Use one or two skills for hero and then let them Nuke away.. [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]Exper ienced 01:32, 17 February 2008 (EST)

I use a trapper and its liek 1death for each 20flawless i get due to gale from a warrior so brambles bleeds one to death :P - So theres another trapper build here and its MUUCH better imo! Massive  04:45, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Why do you want a zaishen farm build? Zaishens can be pwned with echo mending lol. - Unexist  06:47, 17 February 2008 (EST)

3x trappers + 1 nuker > 3x nukers + 1 healer, the elites of the mesmers must be Elemental Attunement , so they'll be able to spam whithout worrying about energy Drownz 15:07, 17 February 2008 (EST)


 * The energy issue, is solved by glowing gaze.. and the heroe's AI not to spam things every few seconds ... But, I usually take mind blast anyways =) for that extra energy [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]Exper ienced 02:49, 18 February 2008 (EST)

You know...
You can beat the Illusionary Weaponry mesmer team using the ele hench, the ranger hench, and the monk hench... without you using ANY skills. At all. Ever. I don't see why we need these kinds of builds on the wiki. If you're going to 'farm' faction, then you 'farm' the easiest team, the Illusionary Weaponry team. And you can use anything to beat it... you don't even need trappers, hell, you don't even need to TRY. Paragon City 15:46, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lol, had to try it.. We won flawless, and I didn't do anything after pressing Enter Battle.. This build might do it faster,, but anything can do it fast,, Kongtorp 19:28, 17 February 2008 (EST)

you know you can FFF with trappers right? and it is a lot faster. Yes this will be out done by the much more used trapping team, Much faster.

U no, u can do this exact same thing with this: [build prof=E/A Fire=12+3+1 Shadow=11 Energy=6+3 Water=2+3][Shadow Form][Glyph of Sacrifice][Meteor Shower][Bed of Coals][Frozen Burst][Flame Burst][Inferno][Flame Djinn's Haste][/build] Use skills in order. Does 1098 damage in total if lasts full duration, not including Burning. Pwns. Note, u do need an Of Enchanting weapon. I Am Jebus 22:27, 17 February 2008 (EST)

The main advantage of this over trappers is, it DOES NOT require players. You could trap with heroes, but it would need ALOT of microing.. Trapping requires quite a bit of preparation and CAN easily fail, opposed to this one with no preparation and can not easily fail Exper ienced 01:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * You know what needs no micro? Fire hench, heal hench and ranger hench.. When they come spike them with you'r dervish spike.. ~5sekunds.. 193.91.164.176 10:06, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Is This supposed to be a kind of joke?
I bought my NF a couple of weeks ago and until then i was a prophecies only player and i can solo IW mesmers and (if lucky) some other teams with my ele with a build i created my own. Tbh i think my build was trash and not worth posting or anything (my friend told me so too, but after two days he used it too :D ) I dont know about posting but my build was something like that u don't need any heroes or henchmans ( it's better in fact to be alone IMO ) Ele\Me 14fire - 10 earth - whatever left is energy storage with +1 Skills: Arcane Echo - Rodgort's Invocation - Glyph of Energy - aftershock - Aura of Restoration - Fire Attunement - Glyph of Sacrifice - Meteor Shower. You can easily kill mesmers with this combo starting casting after 2 seconds of match start F att>Aura of REs> glp of energy> Arcane Echo  then when team approaches select one from the back cast Rodgort > glyph SAc > Meteor Shower > copy rodgort> original Rod > aftershock  and an easy win and quick faction without any stupid hero microing or anything ,stupid bot players spoiling farm so on and so forth! With NF you can make your fire 16 drop aftershock put flame djinns haste (but u kill those IW's before FDH it's not totally necessary) ask anything if not sure about usage :D
 * Solo = slow, Challenge not Elite = not much faction, you = fail.[[Image:rustybsurge.jpg|15px]] Rusty  16:33, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Just a Question
I'm almost positive there's a limit on the factions you can get daily from the zaishen....if it is...then its kinda pointless to farm it. - <font color="Blue"><tt>R</tt>h<tt>y</tt>s<tt></tt> 11:21, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * 6k in elite and 2k in challenge. God  box   14:53, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * of course, once you reach those limits, you have 8k faction. I Am Jebus 18:18, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * The limits don't stack. The cap is set at 1000 faction per round in Zaishen Elite, meaning that you can farm no more than 6000 faction by the 6th round. If you cap the 2000 faction from Zaishen Challenge prior to farming Zaishen Eilte, you will not get any faction for the first two rounds, as you have already reached the limit. The most faction you get from Zaishen is 6000 per day. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  12:55, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Frozen ZB
Id make it a bonder, like so: [build prof=Mo/R Prot=12+1+1 Divine=8+1 Heal=10+1 Wilderness=2][Zealous Benediction][Life Bond][Balthazar's Spirit][Blessed Signet][Cure Hex][Dismiss Condition][Heal Party][Frozen Soil][/build]

Replace Dismiss Condition with Extinguish when fighting trappers. I Am Jebus 18:21, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Also, for the nukers, id make it a snare/nuke build.

I Am Jebus 19:33, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Snare isn't really needed, as they don't run alot.. even then, if you stay within the starting area, the place they run to is very limited allowing for more AoE damage. <font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 01:10, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * Why bonder though? They barely have enough time to fight because they are always healing themselves :) even when they do, its very minor damage. [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 03:16, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Bonders dont fight anyway, they're monks. :). I Am Jebus 15:47, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry if the way i put it was ... Uncertain. But i meant the enemy Does not have enough time to fight :) because they are always healing, that usually happens from my experience.. Making for quite easy kills without too many distractions [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 01:01, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well, u no how the Zaishen dudes usually clump together in the beginning? Ya, so the chain is GoS on the snarer~>Deep Freeze~>spam skills. After snarer uses Deep Freeze, put up Savannah/Searing/Teinai's Heat~>GoS~>Meteor Shower. Try to time Meteor Shower so that one is about 1.5 seconds after the other, for a KD every 1.5 seconds. If ure not concerned about survival, replace the bonder with another SH nuker. I Am Jebus 16:55, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * I see where you are coming from :) Snare would be Ok, Adding to variants :) Ty [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 00:39, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Zaichen Elite
You should mention that this build is meant to farm the Zaichen Elite, where you get random groups of increasing sizes. This not only rewards Balthazar points faster, but also has a higher cap. Note that you get bonuses if you defeat the other team without dying... can you do that? As a side note, I found from experience trying to farm the Zaichen Elite that you can put a lot of Ritualist spirits and Ranger traps, thus you have a large advantage over the other team even before they get within range. I've not yet tried your setup to see how well it works though, but I think I'll give it a try next time I farm. Using mesmers' fast cast seems like a good idea. Alaris 16:21, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * spelled Zaishen. :P I Am Jebus 16:55, 20 February 2008 (EST)


 * What you should do is mention that players that rely solely on farming Zaishen instead of actually PvP'ing for Balth Faction are bad. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs)

Please note
You must be a Mesmer for this. There's only 2 Mesmer Heroes: Norgu and Gwen. -- Guild of  Deals  17:15, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, You must be a Mesmer yourself. Will add to notes. Although, I thought that was a bit obvious [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 18:28, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * @GoD no, u wrong: with either heroes or players86.86.36.63 18:33, 21 February 2008 (EST)

No, you're all wrong. You need to run the monk yourself. If you don't have a real person to play the 3rd mesmer (I usually do so this doesn't apply to me), just run an Ele snare or something. 59.100.12.75 00:31, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * I play as a Mesmer (yes I use the build) and it works fine. Only issue is the Trappers, they can be hard, but just kite around a little so you miss their traps and let them be M-Showered. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  06:40, 22 February 2008 (EST)

well it has already been voted and passed but i think 3 trappers 1 ele can do it easier than this imo but again i didn't run this build, if the elite zaishen challange is the case. i remember once getting over 30 easy wins with a party like that and it was a pug. propably the trapper team would survive better and get faster kills, with a nuker ele sidekick, now that there is speed trapping then it should be even easier right? :D anyway ... ıhm i guess thats all.
 * The difference is you can just slap on heroes and do it. Trapping requires getting a team, hardly a quick farm. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:33, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Can I well this?
can i well tag this for Guide:Zaishen Nuking? ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ  (contribs) 23:37, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * I don't believe they'd be mutually exclusive. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:40, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * Don't well it. Just because a guide exists doesn't mean that related builds have to go. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  23:55, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * This build is my only build that even got vetted ;) well it &... dont expect to have a long life lol [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 02:08, 28 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ok, just wanted to ask. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 18:34, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Mesmer nukers.
why? Utility and energy and power > FC imho ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ  (contribs) 23:07, 6 March 2008 (EST) :lol. Mesmers FC abilities, make this faster.. even with small damager than ele's ; it works faster and more efficiently. <font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 21:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)

good build. except wont it take a while for meteor shower pops up? by then, the zaishen could prob kill u. and u hav no rez.

2.6sec cast time meteor show and not need to micro glyph of sac > utility and energy Drownz 21:18, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * because micro and Water Snare are nub. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 20:45, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Added Video
Finally added a video, enjoy. <font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 03:26, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Added a More Editted video. Since I will probaly publish more video's. [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 23:39, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Proper PvP is more factions
Point said. 81.106.201.158 09:36, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Because you can totally milk 6000 faction out of GvG in 20 minutes. - PANIC!  [[Image:panic_sig3.gif|20px]]  pewpewpew!  09:41, 31 March 2008 (EDT)


 * lol... This is for ANYONE to farm factions ( not just rich snobs with high PvP ranks ) & use heroes ( omg! we need another person *2hours later* yay! finally! ) [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 02:17, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * wtf does your GW Gold and rank have to do with how much faction you get from anything? - PANIC!  [[Image:panic_sig3.gif|20px]]  pewpewpew!  04:25, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * ever watched GvG?? only high ranked and rich people play it and get faction. [[Image:ExpMoIcon.jpg|20px]]<font color="Blue">Exper <font color="Blue">ienced 21:17, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You see, there are these rumors about a magical place called RA somewhere on the zaishen isles where unskilled players can get lots of faction in a relatively short time. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 20:32, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I too have heard this rumor. Do you know HOW to get in?  20:35, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
 * anybody who has ever entered this "RA" died there... but one of them re-spawned and told me to press 'M' ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 20:39, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Reliably farming 6k faction in 20 minutes doesn't happen in PvP. Why? Because even the world's worst players will not run into traps and nukes in huge groups in the first 15 seconds of a match. Farm Zaishen quickly, buy the skill(s) you need, and then go do proper PvP. - PANIC!  [[Image:panic_sig3.gif|20px]]  pewpewpew!  04:38, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Buy your skills pve, then go RA. Zaishen is even worse then PvE, skillwise. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  09:50, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You can't buy elite skills. In most cases it's faster to spend 20 minutes and unlock 2 elites than to go out and cap them. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  09:54, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, there's runes, insignias, components, etc, which are a lot faster to buy with Balth Faction. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  09:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I was just joking around, seriously. zaish farming is still ftw (unless you're going for gladdy points too). You just can't go around saying "I G3T F4CKSHUNS AT T3H GVG L0L!!" ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 17:42, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Alliance battles is the best place for 'unskilled' players to get a team easy and get some quick faction. You can even make money doing it (trade kurz/lux faction for rare materials) Zaishen challenge may look good at first sight, but 6k a day just sucks.

Do you have a better solution for getting Balth faction quicker and easier?
 * Nope. This is about as quick as it gets. Which is probably why they capped it. As was mentioned just before this, if you're desperate for Balth faction and you're solo, AB is your best bet. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  18:28, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Mark of Rodgort
Some ppl actually like the skill ^_^ zomg--<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">(Talk  | <font color="99CCFF"> Edits)  03:39, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Hehe.. Its an alright skill. <font color="Green">Exper <font color="Green">ienced 02:46, 10 June 2008 (EDT)