Archive talk:Mo/Me Signet of Removal Smiter

Gah, I was going to make this once we got our vetting system up. Oh well, maybe the bonding variant... - Krowman    03:06, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Bonding variant aint a smiter anymore, so that's a whole new build, not just a variant. Unexist 09:24, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Same core. SoR, JI, BA, AI. Take MoI, Blessed, and a maintained ench. Different role, similiar build. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   01:42, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Coincidentally, that build is actually covered in the current article under variants, where it says that Zealot's Fire and Reversal of Fortune can be replaced with various utility. I had never even heard of that kind of build when I wrote the build article. :P --Edru viransu 01:45, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

strength of honor is haxx now, considering it stacks with orders/conjures for up to over +30 damage. Not better than JI with shattering assault or a scythe perhaps, but greatly outperforms it otherwise imo, especially on something like a cripslash. I'm kinda wondering whether a me/mo using new FC with signets and MoI may be able to make this obsolete, losing AI+baltz in favour of strong additional utility like 11 sec recharge pure and humilty. Certainly a viable build tho. Phool 03:03, 23 June 2007 (EDT)
 * WTB Veil and SoH. then this be fine cookin' ;). Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 00:38, 19 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Strength and Honor is good. Veil... not so much. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 06:42, 23 July 2007 (CEST)
 * With 3 AoM's, yeah veil iz gud. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 07:57, 31 July 2007 (CEST)
 * 3 AoM's is fail. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 17:21, 31 July 2007 (CEST)
 * 3 AoM's is win. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 17:30, 31 July 2007 (CEST)
 * SoH and Judge's generally suck on vishes. Needs 3 Conjure Sword Wars with Sun and Moon for full ownage. Asdfg 17:39, 31 July 2007 (CEST)
 * O.o...? Err, no. It...doesn't. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 20:09, 31 July 2007 (CEST)
 * You can shutdown Sword Warriors... and did you just suggest running Judge's Insight + Conjures? lulz Also, how does 20% armor penetration suck on the highest damage weapon in the game? --Edru viransu //QQ about me 17:42, 31 July 2007 (CEST)
 * I just wish they'd move Judge's Insight down to a one-second cast time. Such a pain to keep re-applying. - Vermain 18:49, 31 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Then they would nerf it after a week like all recently-overpowered skills, see WoH. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  16:48, 16 November 2007 (CET)

Zealot's Fire
Are ZF and RoF the best things to be taking in those slots? --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 23:34, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
 * No, of course not; the version of this build listed is pretty terrible TBH. I'm really not sure which smite bar it's a variant of even.  -Ensign 02:41, 5 October 2007 (CEST)
 * What could I replace them with? Mantra of Inscriptions and something? --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 16:59, 6 October 2007 (CEST)

[build prof=Mesmer/Monk Smiting=12 Inspiration=10+1+1 FastCasting=8+1][Signet of Removal][Smite Hex][Balthazar's Aura][Auspicious Incantation][Judge's Insight][Mantra of Inscriptions][Strength of Honor][Resurrection Signet][/build]

What about this? -- Nova   --  (contribs) 02:40, 15 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Tbh, I think this should probably be returned to the old ZF-based build and archived, then make a seperate article for the modern Me/Mo smite bonder. Archive:Me/Mo Smite Bonder --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 02:45, 15 October 2007 (CEST)

Defenders Zeal
- if you are in a GvG why not rely on the other monks to heal while you spam high cost energy skills. This elite will allow you to use skills much more easily and alot more more damage output, you just use it on a enemy.
 * Point 1: It will get removed unless you are running a hex build(in which case, why do you have a smiter instead of another hexer or a ranger or frontliner?).
 * Point 2: If I wanted to spam expensive skills, I'd run a Glyph of Energy ele.
 * Point 3: You're a caster that doesn't have rodgort's invocation. You're not going to do meaningful damage. Buffing your warriors' damage is far more effective.
 * Point 4: You lose an amazing hex and condi removal then. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 03:20, 13 October 2007 (CEST)

New bar?
How about that? Perhaps draw instead of leech sig. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 03:23, 13 October 2007 (CEST)

Archive?
Return to old version and archive? The modern version of this is Me/Mo, anyway. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 02:48, 15 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Yeah, I say archive this version. A Me/Mo is greatly superior. Fast casting ftw. Zuranthium 10:01, 23 November 2007 (CET)