Archive talk:A/W GSS Sin

Whee, had a lot of success in TA with this. Kamer (Talk|Contributions) 23:36, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Wtb attention. [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:06, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Wtb E-Management on a 35 E chain. Wtb Ench. for Golden Phoenix Strike Zeecron 16:31, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Wild Strike > GPS. More spammable and can remove pesky Monk Stances. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:33, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * 35 energy isn't very much. God  box   16:34, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * There is Critical Strikes too. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:34, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Energy is definitely not a problem. God  box   16:35, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Energy isnt that big a deal if you know how to play assassin kkkk. Enchantment is listed right under the bar kkkk.  Wild Strike requires you to spend another 10 energy, and why bother with only one unblockable? [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]]  Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:41, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Or enchant was under bar. [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:41, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

It needs an IAS. Flurry, maybe? -- Guild of  Deals  16:43, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Where would you fit it without utterly gimping its damage? [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:43, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * And yeah Flurry would be the best choice. [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:44, 22 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Flurry doesn't affect Unsuspecting. TBH, TA is where this would be good, as it deals kinda medicore damage. Usually people run one of these and an SA sin or something. Also, Rush > Dash for maintainable IMS and then you could even bring Frenzy. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:51, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I mean, what would you replace for Flurry? [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:53, 22 March 2008 (EDT)


 * ...I don't know, lol. Bull's is really your only good anti-kite, so I'm stumped. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:55, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I can only really see losing Golden Phoenix. [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:56, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * But then it has the same problems other GSS sins had, not enough damage to pose a viable threat outside of daze, a 100 damage lead, and DW. [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 16:59, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmmm.. Well, maybe it can live without it. Most GSS Sins don't carry much of an IAS. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  17:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Mmkay, so, throw rush over dash, and put it up for testing? [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 17:01, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * IMO yes, it does much more damage than a standard GSS Sin. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  17:03, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Personally prefer it without Golden Phoenix. The extra 29 damage every 8 seconds didn't seem to be worth the skill slot, especially since for 5 energy more you could just use Unsuspecting Strike again for the same effect. Used an IAS instead, the extra attack speed made interrupting 1/4 cast time spells easier when the target was dazed. Also, if you're going to use Golden Phoenix I had better luck using it after twisting fangs instead of before-too many times monks CoP'd the daze out before getting to twisting fangs to cover it. Kevinqx 19:03, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Golden Phoenix is for when Golden Skull strike is recharging, so you can get to twisting fangs more than once every 15 seconds. 75.70.135.246 01:27, 23 March 2008 (EDT) Charon
 * Twisting's recharge is 15 seconds. [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]] Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 01:29, 23 March 2008 (EDT)


 * thought this was pretty bad. the bad kind of bad. as mentioned above golden phoenix is uselss. long downtime on chain. not enuf damage to get monk past half health. not kite proof. 89.241.226.184 18:04, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Not kite proof? Bulls Strike kkkkkkk.  Assuming the average monks health is 600; Unsuspecting hits for 100, GSS hits for normal dagger damage (Round to 20 kkkk), Golden Phoenix hits for around 40, Twisting does 60 + DW (100) + Bleeding.  320 = over 1/2 of 600.  15 seconds isnt that long of a downtime.  [[Image:Kamer_sig.png|19px]]  Kamer  (Talk|Contributions) 22:58, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 23:13, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

needs
archived, or something. chain doesn't make sense: lead attack -> offhand that doesn't require lead -> another offhand that doesn't require lead -> dual. GSS got changed, we need to do something about this.--Reason.decrystallized 08:20, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * eh, it still basically works the same, you just have more freedom with applying daze now. which is good. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 08:33, 11 August 2008 (EDT)