Archive talk:Team - UW Speed HM

hmmm... very interesting concept, i mean the splitting up part, and i wouldn't call 30-35 minutes a "speed" run :p, but its lookin good-- 10:05, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This is much faster compared to normal ursan run, the whole team splits in different chambers and clears them, does all the quests, than does dhuum brothers and gg. :3 --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  10:08, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Anyone using Shadow Form should be maintaining it permanently, tbh. Also, some more PvE Skills like Air of Superiority and Ebon Battle Standard of Honor would help. I like the idea, though. =P -Mike 10:39, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This team must use consumables mostly because it speeds things greatly and the build has three ursans, so the trick is basically that essences stack with deadly paradox, ,meaning the permaformers can easily mantain shadow form with just deadly paradox and pwn. ^-^ --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  10:44, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If you absolutely want to use consumables, that's fine. You have to fix up the Ursans, though, because Armor doesn't stack so the Elemental and Physical Resistances won't help. You could use Mantras instead. -Mike 10:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Especially because you can't use Zealous Weaponry with the Signet of Stamina. Mantras will help suppy the Ursan with energy. Selket Shadowdancer 10:54, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Doesnt it stack if it is lower than 24? --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  11:00, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I mean, otherwise you would still have +40 armor, I am not sure about mantras, ursans dont really fight elemental stuff much. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  11:01, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Nono of the SF builds can maintain it perma. Is that intended? &not; Klump eet  16:28 {GMT} 21-06-MMVIII
 * The team uses consets to speed up the run and buff ursans, so tha the trick, essence stacks with dp lowering sfs rechrge by half, so it can be mantained. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  12:32, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * OK, i didn't know you were using essence. &not; Klump  eet  16:35 {GMT} 21-06-MMVIII
 * Yea I mentioned the use of cons in the article now. Thats also why some characters have one point below the dreakpoint of "X" skill, grail (I think its grail) adds +1 to all attributes. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  12:38, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Ele/assassin with 10+1 shadow arts? huh? rizbiz 13:07, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Oh lol, omg, my bad, was typing fast didnt notice. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  13:28, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Ursans
Igor, as you know, we've both done this with Assassin Ursans simply enough. May I suggest making the Ursans the Any/Me variants instead so to make the guide a bit more general? Selket Shadowdancer 13:47, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I know you want to keep it general like most of the ursan teams, but mind that this is not conventional ursan squad, there are only three ursans who hold the whole aggro and expirience quite a bashing, that run you are talking about, I wasnt happy with, agree, we were dieing quite often, we couldnt hold the reaper for too long, we had to abbandon our post kite back get healed than come tnk again, our monk was under quite a stress tbh. If you come to toa outpost you would see that quite a lot of people try taking high ai ursans there is a reason for that, ursan warrior, inder elemental resistance withup to 1253 health can easily stay say, under a meteor shower or geting frequitly bashed by fireballs or lava front without needing much heal at all, I have seen them complete the whole escort the souls quest with their monk dead...by some unknown reason, I will add the general ursan template but it would be a variant. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  14:18, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * We didn't die that much, it was the perma sin who died and me right at the end when I just ran in at all the spectres for the fuck of it. :p It was only cz we were fucking about spamming chat too much and you with your terribad connection lagging up like hell :p. I don't disagree that the warrior build is best for the run, but what I'm saying is that it really doesn't matter as long as the Ursan is experienced, has the common sense to actually add armour insignias to their armour, and use the correct stances. Selket Shadowdancer 20:55, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thing is, warrior would still have more armor by default, it doesnt need insignias for armor, wilst has more health, I was probably lagging when perma died but I do rememmber how we struggled at twin serpent mountains especially at the reaper part, we both died several times and it generally didnt feel right, it isnt about expirience, you wont take less damage having more expirience as ursan. Oh btw, rememmber how our monk gor screwed and didnt get his loot, I think it was w/ you. :P --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  09:08, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You are kidding right? I wasn't even running any stances and had radiant armour on, plus it was my first speedrun! :p I've done Ursanway several times since on a UW HM speedrun and have had no issues with regards to armour and health running Nightstalkers insignias and Runes of Vitae on my Assassin and using Mantras now that I know what I'm doing on the run. Having higher armour and health is good, no doubt and no arguement, but is unnessacary once you know what you're doing, generally don't suck, don't have a bad connection (like your dreadful connection that slowed the run right down which is probably why it didn't feel right!), or a mixture of all three. Assassins or Rangers can fit into the build just aswell in the hands of a competent player. Oh and as for the Monk, no it wasn't me. I had my items long before he even went near the chest. Selket Shadowdancer 10:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Bump ffs >:(
--  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  12:45, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

22 minute run omfg wth ^^
IM BLUE! 02:03, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Consumables
People note which consumables you need to use. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  07:54, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You use a conset, word "conset" means Grail, Essence and Armor by default. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  12:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Clarified it abit. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  12:57, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

MOAR RATINGS PLX!!!
--  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  10:03, 25 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Don't have these skills on my sin or I would test. Seems like it should work well though. [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]Choytw   Talk + 10:07, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * correction...I thought this was the solo UW speed build...guess I should look before posting huh ;-) [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]Choytw   Talk + 10:07, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, just 5-5-5 it and I will move this to great T.T --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  10:09, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Terra usage
Need checking on that section, I dont play an ele and know what they are doing rather broadly, sooo, if something is unclear/wrong fix it up. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  15:23, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Terra Builds
/ Wastes Terra

/ Pools Terra

The above versions seem to be becoming more prevalent over the e/me and should at least be listed as variants. Craero 17:53, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ya i know, will list them in variants for now. --  Super Igor  *ninja!!*  10:27, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Explain More
could you possibly explain in greater depth how to use the builds, the sin has no explination and you dont say how to use any of the terra builds. please explain these more. also why does the first ele have 19 unused points? 72.78.239.241 14:41, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

7/2/08 Update
How has the 7/2/08 update for UW and Shadow Form affected this build? I'm kind of sad that the nerfbat came down so soon but I am happy to see Ectos going up in price.... --Yawg 21:37, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

unarchive plz
b/c ppl still use it lots.--IM BLUE! 20:45, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Then we'd probably want something to replace or make Shadow Form less crappy with the -50% damage. XD ــмıкε  нaшк  22:19, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Seeing as how I never would have posted my page if I could have at least found this one beforehand, I'ld like to vote for un-archiving this build and merging it with my build for better versatility and flexibility.  A little more explanation as to the purpose of each build is also included in mine, though as far as I know, mine is the current metastate of what we are using now for underworld speedway runs.  I have no doubts that these other builds do indeed work, but there are certain builds that are in these older guides which can still work, but will get you kicked from the party immediately if you try to run them.Skie M 08:38, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ur a lil off skie more ppl use e/a pits not a/d. i prefer a/d tho.--IM BLUE! 10:11, 19 July 2008 (EDT)