User talk:Soi Sticker

Welcome to PvX! Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   00:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * omg there's a henchman named after you, legend haha!! Soi Sticker 02:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No need to inflate my ego haha. ;p Thanks! If you have any question feel free to ask. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 02:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you link me to some sort of Wiki User Manual? Just the basics will do. Soi Sticker 02:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Here you go. Covers the most important stuff. If you have any other questions, just ask. -- Toraen   confer  04:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

sandbox
wtb^Soi Sticker 05:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just create a user page under your name, like User:Soi Sticker/Sandbox. If you want to, put the Sandbox template on it but that's not required. -- Toraen   confer  06:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Toraen. Worked a treat. I decided to call it Sandbaws so as not to ruin your red link :)Soi Sticker 07:22, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just noticed your join date. /facepalm  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  06:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter when I joined. I have been playing Guild Wars since Prophecies. Soi Sticker 07:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Rask is trolling you, ignore him.-- Relyk 07:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, was just noting he joined shortly after a few others left.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  08:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Gz Rask,you trolled new guy xD. Oh God,thanks that it didn't happen to me xD. Triss 16:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Vote balancing
Is a bannable offense. Please try to avoid further faggotry, thanks <3  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  10:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Tell that to Danny. Soi Sticker 10:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Danny's not vote balancing, he's just circlejerking, though that's really just as bad. Vote balancing is when you 5-5 something that should be 4-4'd because someone else voted 1-1 on it. -- Jai .  -  13:34, February 7 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI
If your build had been something other than melee support, I doubt you would have met so much resistance. Mesmers just don't synergize nearly as well with melees as they do casters. Of course, you had the 3 FB crap, the bad ST variant, the Recovery/Life thing, and the totally random curses necro, but those were all fairly easily fixed (though instead you just defended with shitty arguments) and the core of the build would have been fine if it were for casters. -- Jai .  -  13:32, February 7 2012 (UTC)
 * He didn't make the build, herpderp did. He's just defending it to the death for some "unknown" (lol) reason .  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  19:12, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't defending the build... I was trying to show why dual illusion sucks and your ratings are bad. Soi Sticker 20:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't trying to show you why you were wrong... I was trolling you into oblivion without even abusing the jabberwocky.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  20:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you proved my point, imbecile. If you can't make an argument without trolling then you shouldn't post. Otherwise I can assume you don't know what you're talking about. Soi Sticker 20:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This is PvX, home of legions of trolls. If you can't deal with them, then get the fuck out of this place before you lose your sanity and will to live. -- Jai .  -  20:58, February 7 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, right, forgot about that. Never the less, Soi was defending the build and failing at it because of above reasons. And yes, Soi, if you're trying to change trash votes on a build you're defending it. -- Jai .  -  20:58, February 7 2012 (UTC)
 * Leave him alone Jai. He's just not a pve master yet. One day he'll catch em all.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  21:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem to be somewhat above the trolling level of Rask, Jai, so I'll ask you: Do you agree with him that dual illusion+1 dom>dual dom+1 illu? Do you like using BiP in heroways and explain to me why a RoJ bar is good on a hero. I hope you can share some of your insight, thanks. Soi Sticker 21:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can definitely see the advantages of running dual Inept. I think that dual Dom is mostly fine, and I haven't played around with it enough to know which is actually better. However, Rask as a rule is pigheaded, so there's no point trying to argue against his points unless you've got a fucking amazing argument against them. As is, Illusion does tend to pump more damage than ESurge, and Clum/Inept/WE in general are more consistent than Mistrust. Also, perma-blind is extremely powerful, because a large portion of the damage in most areas does come from melees, while ESurge is, at best, going to provide a small amount of caster shutdown. Honestly, though, the way that Rask sets up his team is unorthodox and includes both an ST and an MM, but because of the dual blind and aforementioned glitch with foes continuing to autoattack after being interrupted, damage doesn't get through as much which makes the minions not totally soak up ST (and makes them sexy tanks too). On its own, dual Inept is good, but it's not exactly a clear winner against dual ESurge, but it's just because of how Rask plays that he finds it so strong. And as mentioned, if you're not playing his way he's just gonna shit all over you, so. :/ -- Jai .  -  04:15, February 8 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it bad that I read that as "Rask is a fucking gw prodigy."?  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  22:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

This has been bugging me in the previous discussion; when you say dual dom vs. dual illusion, you're actually saying dual esurge and ineptitude vs. dual ineptitude and esurge? And is it in the context of spiking or in general?-- Relyk 21:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, although sometimes you may wish to use either Panic/Shared Burden. But it was for raw spike power, since the melee has DPS overall for single-units. Soi Sticker 21:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Illusion spikes take ~4 seconds. urbad.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  21:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You realise you're contradicting yourself? Lol. Soi Sticker 21:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You do realise he is trolling, and he awaits every comment you give him? Shadow  Computer coded  21:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Shhhh!  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  22:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relyk will have amazing article for his wall of wikidrama :D. Triss 22:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Please stop now. If no one wants to do proper analysis of 1 Dom + 2 Illu vs. 2 Dom + 1 Illu, this isn't going anywhere. -- Toraen   confer  22:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Analysis
Ok,mainly because I felt sorry for Soi, I decided to do analysis. So here it goes:

READ THIS: I didn't cunt new Fast Casting with lowered recharge,it's just theorycrafting with some math.

Illusion bar
 * Skills used: Ineptitude,Wandering Eye,Clumsisness, Signet of clumsisness
 * total mana for spike: 25
 * DPS: 8,53+8,7+8,75+7,125=25,98 adjacent dps + 7,125 nearby dps. Total:33.105


 * Utility: blind/interruption of attacks

Domination bar:
 * Skills used: Energy Surge, Mistrust, Unnatural Signet, Cry of Frustration
 * total mana for spike: 25
 * DPS: 5,4+7,83+7,1+4,73=25,06 nearby dps


 * Utility: Interruption of spells/edenial.

Comparing:
 * DPS: Illusion: 33.105 mainly adjacent > Domination 25.06 nerby. Illusion wins.
 * Utility: I'd say it depends on the area,but in my opinion Caster hate is stronger than melee hate generally. And heroes are awesome with CoF. Domination wins.

Comparing teams:
 * 2 illu + 1 domination: obviously more dps, got small caster hate. For general play without balling etc I feel it's better. Sorry Soi.
 * 2 domination + 1 illu: less dps,but more caster hate=damage prevention. For balling ,cause esurge actually got spiking power and combo seems to work perfectly. Also CoF and Mistrust are what made my mind for saying,that domination is better for spiking power.Also damage is more direct than illusion. Mobs will behave like:
 * 1)omg look new noob to kill! (esurge)
 * 2)lets cast something! (mistrust)
 * 3)omg dirty noobs (unnatural)
 * 4)lets cast again!(CoF)
 * 5)We are dead. Those who are alive: Avenge us! (Illusion cleaning up)

Conclusion:
 * Depending on area (ye ye,I know, Captain Obvious)
 * For area with more melee treat take 2illu+1 domination.
 * For area with more casters treat take 2dom+1illusion.


 * Depending on style of play
 * For general lazy play go 2illu+1 domination
 * For playing with some balling and mini-spikes go 2domination+1llu.


 * Depending on utility
 * This is where domination wins cause you can get Shared Burden on one of the 2 dominations hero lowering only a little bit dps.

Ty for your time,have fun reading the article. Triss 23:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wat. I myself pref Illusion bars, PvE mobs autoattack like hell, but I guess I would take something like Mistrust and CoF when facing lvl 28 mobs/bosses who nuke me with a few casts of Shatterstone or Searing Flames. Eh, well in practice I usually carry a Gwen with Tease, CoF, PDrain and a fuckton of resto skills. Because, y'no, heroes, interrupting, and OP resto support. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 23:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You started off using commas as decimal points, then halfway through started using periods as decimal points, then you swapped back. For this reason alone I cannot take your argument seriously. A new misery  08:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ this. What the fuck am I reading? Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 22:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tried to make something slightly better, but my attention-span got the better of me; I will have to proof-read and edit later, but if anyone from the opposite party wish to add their points on the page to make it slightly less biased, that would be great. Instead of saying "zomg no1 pleys like Rask, he don give a shieet" I'd rather an explanation on what he does that makes it shine more. Soi Sticker 22:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Seeing as that team is supporting a melee, Shatter Hex will be pumping out way more damage than Unnatural Sig so if you wanted to pick the best 4 skills for each then i'd pick Shatter Hex. Alot harder to math craft but damn near every mob (Apart from pure War/Derv mobs) will have some hexes. 78.149.38.53 22:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering you'd be swapping a 0 energy skill for a 10e one... I can only imagine the energy problems will be dire. Soi Sticker 23:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

mfw
I am right about hero AI. Soi Sticker 22:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Does chain completely, but waits to reapply jagged until dual attack is recharged :/ Not good enough for pve imo. Chieftain Alex  23:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Build:Team - 7 Hero Paneptitude
Moved the conversation since toraen wanted it discussed on the builds talk.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  With Love~  12:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Rask/Rants
I heard you like numbers.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  00:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Read it. Replied :P My F5 abilities have increased by +1!Soi Sticker 00:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Build:Me/A Assassin's Promise
I moved it back to testing because you guys never discussed the merge after toraen moved it to trial. Thought I'd give you a heads up because I believe you haven't said all you wanted to say on the matter. As is it's trashed, my reasoning stands and my votes not changing but you can still get other bandwagon votes probably.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  09:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And what is your stance on the AP Dom mesmer? Still 5-4? Soi Sticker 09:36, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you split the merge then they'd both be 5-4. If you want to make a guide then make a guide, don't make a guide and vet is as a build.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  10:18, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * So how do you feel about this build then? Is that also a guide or require splitting? Trash material? The scenario looks vaguely similar... Soi Sticker 10:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Never saw that, thanks for linking. It's now in the "Good" category.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  10:45, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't care what Akio says, it's not about the build being here, it's the fucked up policies and players that fuck the site up (i.e. people that 1. troll other members' suggestions and 2. don't play the game)You're right on one issue today and the rest you're just being a dick about because you have admin support.


 * tl;dr, AP Mes belongs here as is. Soi Sticker 11:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not trolling your suggestion, and i play the game. But having, in theory, 9 /a ap caster builds that all use AP and the "same" pve skills, and only change some prof specific spells, constitutes a guide, not 9 seperate builds. its not efficient, when having all the possible variations on one page to view how one would go about using an AP build, is the most user friendly, for the people that visit the site and would like to use AP on class. clicking the 9 different pages, open up the tabs, clicking between them all. that's tedious for the casual and regular visitor to the site. a page that lists, in sections on one page, all the elementalist possibilities, ritualist possibilities, etc, allows for a far easier to navigate pathway in which to make a decision on what they would like to use, for their generic AP template w/ insert primary here build. each build served a different purpose, sure. but no, so far they use ap to recharge aoe nukes and damage spells. i'm not seeing a reason for individual pages. aside from making a guide would be a bother.  Akio _Ka  t  suragi   Akio_Katsuragi_Sig2.jpg 12:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, two things mainly. 1. They want to run a build of their profession, not an AP build and will therefore not look for a "generic AP build" page. 2. There are only three worthwhile AP builds that abuse AP to it's fullest with their own niche to warrant saving them. For example, no one is using AP rangers, warriors, paragon or dervish. It would also be cluttered and confusing. Soi Sticker 12:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * sigh. some people make their characters based on a build, rather than choose a build based on a character. to me, the guides pages offer far more insight into a build or profession, than a vetted page. idk, helps you think more about every possible option you'd want to fulfil. i'm not arguing, just seems redundant to have multiple copies of the same build, that only differ int whats an optional in the template of AP caster, regardless. anyways, i'm tired. night rask and soi. zzz  Akio _Ka  t  suragi   Akio_Katsuragi_Sig2.jpg 12:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been banned by every single admin ever appointed on this wiki, and auron. I've been perma banned too many times to count and I've had my fair share of retardation. The difference between me and you is when I'm wrong I suck up my pride and apologize and/or admit that I made a mistake. You just change the subject and avoid the fact that you were ever wrong in the first place. If you want to keep picking fights then go somewhere else, I don't fight kids, especially not on the internet (except in minecraft because jai is an asshugger).  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  12:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you split the merge then they'd both be 5-4 can you explain that reasoning? aren't votes technically based on Effectiveness and Univ? i may be wrong since i never vote anyway. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 18:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Seperately they were meta builds used by a ton of players, merging them ruined the build. We merge builds that have the same playstyle, like multiple variants for SC's when all of them use the same defensive set just different offensive skills. The playstyle is the same across fireway, sandstorm, and snoway, all focus on balling around a boss mob and spiking with AoE. These two builds however are completely different playstyles, one spams single target damage to accompany discord or other single target spike teams, the other uses ap to quickly spam domination shutdown across mobs. I don't like either of them, but as is the merge took two meta builds and shoved them together against the general consensus. Soi's little temper tantrum started this whole chain of events.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  22:54, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * so basically, if we merge the ST page with the Onslaught page, they both stop performing well ingame? and while it's true that the old illusion bar was single-target focused, i think you can agree the new bar is better with AoE (and if for some reason you prefer single-target, the echo evas combo is still there). the illusion version has been expanded to include strong AoE, so the playstyles are actually quite similar. it's not as simple as "this is discord, that is AoE." other people could also ignore the dom AoE and say dom is for echo evas. which also makes no sense. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 02:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Or you could just ignore the entire idea because in reality mesmer elites outshine AP. Reread my reasoning and then address it properly man, you're ignoring all the points I made and using really bad hypotheticals to counter my distaste for this page.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  03:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

first time I've ever had jaega bomb and tequila
Christ... first for everytrhing eh.Soi Sticker 02:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Rum and Coke man. It's my drink of choice.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  03:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I read it it as a jaigoda bomb-- Relyk 03:13, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Goldschläger + Redbull. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 03:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's right. Ugh. Soi Sticker 09:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * lol, i did to kyler. -Akio
 * Any spirit that's not vodka (for the time being at least). But yeah, I'm with Rask. Rum or Whiskey and coke is the preferred drink! Though Fireball whiskey and apple juice is damn good if you don't like coke.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  11:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * We're so alike, maybe we should see more of each other outside of work.  With Love~, ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  12:26, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Sigh....
Look, the way you're arguing is going to put you on the same path as people like user:Juze, User:Minion, and user:HerpDerp. These are all people who, even before their bans, were effectively ignored by the majority of the community. As I mentioned on Rask's talk, the longer you go on like this the less people are going to even bother listening to you. And do realize I'm telling you this because I've been through the same thing here, and people still think I'm a faggot because of it (though over a long period of time I've shown myself to be at least halfway competent enough to get people to listen to me again). Basically, I'm a cautionary tale and I can see that you're heading in the exact same direction as I did way back when. You're gonna get yourself trolled to hell and back, and there will be people who oppose things you do simply because you are in support of them.

My words of advice are to calm down and try to start over. Unless you've got some hardcore evidence against them, don't go after people like Danny, Rask, or TahiriVeila, because even though they may or may not be right (though Rask is right more than most people on PvX, including me), they're pigheaded to a fault. If anything, ask them if they wouldn't trash the build quite so hard and tell them, "well, there are at least some advantages over blahblahblah" so they'll vote 3-3 instead of 2-1 and stop the build from being trashed. Going all-out, guns blazing, and especially trying to get their votes removed is just going to piss them off and make them fight you to the ends of the earth. It took me way too long to figure that out, and people like Juze and Minion never understood it and that's why they're banned.

The Golden Rule for getting people to listen to you: Don't stir up drama. Take in people's points of view instead of going straight to figuring out how to counter their arguments, even though it seems so much easier to find flaws in someone's arguments than to put yourself in their shoes. And once something gets to the point where you start hitting brick walls, you just have to let it go, and move it to userspace or something.

God, I'm a carebear, but whatever. Take this how you will. I'm going to bed now because it's 4AM. -- Jai .  -  08:44, March 7 2012 (UTC)
 * I love how you ignored my advice and continued to do exactly the opposite of what I (and others) have said you should do. You can't alienate the entire wiki and then expect people to listen to you. That's not how human nature works. -- Jai .  -  05:16, April 11 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't alienate people... I argue and discuss, that's all. I'm not even blunt or ever direct insults at people like you do, people just dislike it when you have a contrary view to them. If I told you the Earth was only 6000 years old, you would probably try to change my mind and hate me a little more. You take things too personally. ~Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 07:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If started telling everybody that the world's core was actually made of creamy nacho cheese, then the majority of people would just ignore you and not take you seriously. A few of the most pigheaded would make it their job to humiliate you as much as possible. In the meantime, nobody believes your nacho cheese theory except for a couple wackjobs who would be willing to listen to anything. I also like how you say I take things too personally when you've pissed off almost the entire wiki just to try and preserve a single collection of 8 skills. I couldn't give a shit whether the AP Ele gets trashed or not. -- Jai .  -  11:54, April 11 2012 (UTC)

Stop calling people ignorant
It really is a personal attack, has nothing to do with the point you are trying to make and is a generally terrible way to convince anyone of anything. I've seen you saying it 3 or 4 times now. Consider this an administrative warning, not friendly advice. A new misery 09:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For the record I wasn't really offended by that misery, but yeah soi, you should probably avoid outright calling people stupid.  With Love ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  10:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Which word would you prefer I replace it with, or is this a "better left unsaid" scenario? Soi Sticker 17:32, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Add two sentences which actually says the same. Instead of saying, you're an idiot you can say: you are not being smart right now, you may have just had an accident and your brains may have left your skull, and I am deeply sorry for it, but please, you were not being smart. I hope you get well soon ;) --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  17:35, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I shall quote you on that :P Soi Sticker 17:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is still a personal attack. Try something along the lines of "You are not listening to any of my arguments, so discussing this further with you is pointless" or "Your arguments are not grounded in the reality of the situation. Here is where you are wrong..." See this way you are questioning their actions rather than them personally and therefore, not personally attacking anyone! A new misery  17:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you consider my sentence to be a joke? --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  19:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant, I'm not sure that Soi Sticker wasn't taking you seriously. Double negatives! A new misery  20:35, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can I NPA myself? Soi Sticker 21:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Autism attack imminent. --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  21:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

"You are an autistic nigger."

"Your argument is an autistic nigger."

See, you immediately come off kinder! -- DANDY ^_^ -- 19:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC) --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  19:43, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Your nigger is an autistic argument"
 * PvX:NPA. Mr. N is very offended. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 22:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This derail is cute, but should stop. -- Toraen   confer  22:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

meleemancer
User:Malokai92/Wiki Drama/N/W PvE Hundred Blades Meleemancer in all it's glorious epicness.-- Relyk 16:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea why you linked me this, but it's pretty cool. I used something similar while capping warrior elites, since SS sucks. Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 17:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * month late response-- Relyk 18:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha. Cheers. Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 18:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Do Amerifags eat curry?
^ +heat. ~Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 12:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I find the term "fag" offensive in that context.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  18:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I find putting curry and ameri in the same sentence insulting. Chieftain Alex  18:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll take that as a no, Rask. You should. And I didn't say fag; don't take it out of context. It's a suffix. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs  01:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's an offensive suffix. Ever think maybe you're not the only person in the world? 75.142.155.43 03:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Holy shit, I thought I was the sole contributor of this site. What are you smoking. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 03:02, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm gay and proud of it. Suck a dick yo (I already have).  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  03:34, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, I don't give a fuck, that is actually irrelevant. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 03:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Jokes on you, this was all a dream and I'm a penguin. /mnightshamalamalam  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  06:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope-- Relyk 04:49, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thought it was odd considering Mexican food can be spicier, albeit in a different way, and yet curry hasn't made an impression. Tacos are so much harder to make >,> ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs  20:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering we live next to Mexico and have a lot of Latino immigrants, it makes sense that we have Mexican food everywhere. Curry is probably at about the same popularity as Thai food and pretty much anything else that isn't Italian, Mexican, or (highly Americanized) Chinese. Also, buying taco shells and throwing some beef and beans and lettuce and cheese in it is hard yo. Takes some hardcore culinary skill yo. -- Jai .  -  03:17, April 4 2012 (UTC)
 * It's harder than taking flavored meat and putting it on top of a plate of rice :P No cooking is hard, btw, it's effort I care about. If you ever go to Europe, don't bother with a Chinese; pure grease 0 flavour. @below; why? ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 04:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Because actual conversation is much more conducive than walls of text. -- Jai .  -  04:32, April 4 2012 (UTC)

This is getting rather ridiculous.
Do you have an MSN or something? -- Jai .  -  03:11, April 4 2012 (UTC)

Just realised
That your name sounds kind of like Swastika. Also I'm so slow I'm a warrior in FA. <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex 00:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * omg, I never noticed! I was quoting Master Chief from Arby N The Chief. Also, FA is srs bsns warriors gtfo! ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 01:06, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * DigitalPh33r is such a tool. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 01:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * eh, the first 8~ or so webisodes were cool, but those sort of gimmicky shows get boring fast. Especially when they run out of jokes and it's more about character depth. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 01:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Dues Ex Machina was my favorite series of his. I played customs with him in Halo 3 awhile back. He always complained about his popularity and of course, once prestigious recon armor. After meeting him, I couldn't want his stuff anymore, that image of him to me was shattered. :p <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 01:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Anti-semitism and personal attacks
"It was never in Great because of jews like Rask, Danny and Skakid." Do I really even have to point out why this sentence isn't acceptable? A new misery 11:39, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you like, replace "jews" with "people". Apologies if it caused offence. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 18:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm offended that you would call me a "people" I for one prefer jew. Have you prepurchased gw2 yet? Also on a slightly unrelated note, I'm terrified of aliens and my garden ornaments glow in my backyard at night and I keep thinking shits going down out of the corner of my eye D: [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 03:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Gaynet aren't taking my money until I see a release date. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 03:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * no beta for you then. there's going to be balloons and everything-- Relyk 03:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ): Then it would have felt like I've just paid for the beta... Seems pointless when so much can change after Beta and still no release date. Save me a balloon though? ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 03:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah dude, they're keeping us out of stress tests and shit, I totally agree on not prepurchasing, atleast I wouldn't do it until they announce the beta event. Feels like I got ripped off, also I saw your vote on the FA tank shit and I thought you might find this incredibly amusing, we in fact fully advocate trolling in FA Build:R/N FA Edge of Extinction. Fun stuff, you should run it if you haven't yet. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 15:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have. A lot. Although I see more merit in a build that effectively removes 90% of Gunther's health under the right circumstances than a tank which just stands somewhere looking cool while spamming /flex. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 18:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

As a card-carrying member of the Jew-club I'm highly offended by this post I know nothing about.--TahiriVeila 15:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Summon your mighty golem! [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 19:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

header
I couldn't think of a header butt whyy do you hate mee? <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   03:41, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Because he hates intelligence. -- Jai .  -  03:47, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * Hate is a strong word... I treat everyone on PvX with equal contempt. However, you do think you're better than everyone on this wiki; several people do, actually, but they all showcase their brilliance in different ways. You seem posh and rather pompous to me. Not saying those are bad qualities, but it shows. And very witty from Jai, there. But if I hated intelligence, why would I bother with, well, anything? That's actually the most retarded sound-bite I've ever heard. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs  03:53, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It shows because I don't care about hiding it, and it really is fun being an asshole sometimes, especially if you're a really nice person in the real world. I think I'm better than (almost) everyone on the wiki because most people aren't much to compare to, from my experience here. You and others may be entirely competent and/or intelligent outside of PvX, but here you act, as Danny would call it, like retarded ducks. As an extreme example, if you were stuck in a mental institute comprised solely of vegetables, you'd probably feel pretty superior. Also, you hate intelligence and thus spout walls of nonsense to try to confuse the true intellects of the site. Obv ans is obs. -- Jai .  -  04:57, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * There hasn't been much to "spout nonsense" about for a while, since the AP Ele discussion/argument hit it's peak of "fun" about two weeks ago, nothing more to say. The FA tank is being trolled so no point talking about it past "it's retarded". And you may feel like you're the most accomplished in the real world, but it also comes down to knowing the game. On that front, it's hard for many people to truly feel superior aside from possibly something about AI and how skills react which the majority still don't know about. It's all documented, we've all played it, we're all about as competent as each other. We're both PvErs, right? What made your playthrough of the campaigns or acquisition of titles better than mine (clarification, we both finish everything)? The only difference comes when explaining what we think about how to play; Sometimes I can be ambiguous and sometimes you can be trolling. I would say we were equal when it comes to gw knowledge, but saying you're better than most is silly when you're talking PvE. I'd care less if you were a PvPer, playing on a competitive level. In my opinion, Relyk is probably the best PvEer on the wiki. He uses coherent arguments and actually tests builds/theories (re:Ineptway vs Surgeway). So, yeah, I don't make nonsensical walls of text and I want you to take that accusation back. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs  05:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hrm, it seems more and more apparant that you need some major education on what subjective and objective opinions are. Of course, there could be someone who is miles ahead of us in GW but doesn't look any different from a knowledge standpoint, and there are plenty of people who hold themselves to look like they know what they're talking about but don't. I personally believe that most of the people on here simply don't understand GW as well as I do. Sure, objectively or (from the outside) subjectively I could be completely wrong, but from my biased experience I have seen way too much stupidity on this wiki to not think that I'm above it. Also, there are plenty of people who have grinded their way to GWAMM and above, or who are ridiculously good at playing the game, but don't have an ounce of understanding of the workings and mechanics of a game. Many PvP players especially would have a hell of a time creating an HA/GvG build, but can nevertheless fit right in with top-20 play. You can also see a lot of top-notch speedclear players that are amazing at the builds they play, but wouldn't ever be able to create a record-breaking team build. Conversely, I am terrible at GW (and thus testing doesn't prove much for me, as I'm bound to fuck up the practical side somewhere), but I consider myself a very good person for developing things theoretically. Relyk is easily seen as a good player because he understands both the practical and theoretical sides of GW. Rask gets a very large amount of his views from testing things and looking at the results. From what I've seen from you, you seem to test or theorize things and then think that that applies to every situation everywhere, whereas I believe essentially nothing is clear-cut in GW. It's all different strokes for different folks, and when it comes down to it, objectively, there's absolutely no possible winner.
 * And that was a long tl;dr. -- Jai .  -  05:55, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise opinions could be objective. Maybe that's where I need my education, but I do understand there are x amount of schools of thought on how guild wars should be played. Having GWAMM and being a ridiculously good player are often mutually exclusive; I know a derv who ran Discordway who used AoB himself, with rebirth on the bar, all the way to GWAMM. That doesn't show me skill, it's just grind. I agree with you there (I didn't read on until now), but you don't seem to have got "what I do". I do test and theorise, on occasion, but I don't think it applies to every situation everywhere... I may try it everywhere, but that's not the same. For example, you don't run PvP builds in PvE, etc. And all I get from you is AOE WINS GAME. ADD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO TEAM. I don't see a variation in your ideas, at least since the ele update. But, you know, justify how you act if you must. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs  06:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Jai tell Rask to let me in skype.
 * And just no comment, was curious. I have nothing to prove heree! <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 03:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you agree with my analysis?~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 03:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with jai, you hate my erection. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 04:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have deigned to agree with you on the pompous part. Though posh is lol. -- Jai .  -  04:57, April 18 2012 (UTC)

Your vote...
Cross profession comparison. Right after I told somebody else not to do exactly that. If you were trying to be extremely annoying there, you very much succeeded. Pat yourself on the back for your natural ability to irritate and then go think up a much less shitty reason for trashing that build. -- Jai .  -  05:11, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * Come on man, I've played with sin spikers in FOWSC and they fail at spiking 80% of the time. They are clunkier, take longer to prep and deal less damage over all. Sins also have enough positions to play in FOWSC to not require this sin spiker, which is essentially just D/A in reverse. And thanks, you noticed. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 05:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Farming =/= general PvE. It doesn't matter if they're clunkier and such. You compare sin builds with sin builds in general PvE. All that matters there is that you pump out a bunch of damage, and technically the VoS sin does that quite well. I'm sure you can come up with other arguments against it, but comparing to a derv is not going to fly. Compare to dagger spam or another sin build and it's all fine and dandy. -- Jai .  -  05:33, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * A/D is very common to run in Deep. I wouldn't restrict to rating the build based on meta usage. The A/D variant for D/A isn't a good basis for providing a vote, although you can. But I really wouldn't suggest to. At all.-- Relyk 06:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Ratings
From now on if you or alex have a problem with my rating just take it directly to an administrator. I'm done dealing with your whining an assbackwards fail logic. Ty<3 13:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

time for a break
Soi, with all respect, take a break. You are constantly debating, annoying, overreacting and pushing limits. You use NPAs, you lack real arguments, you build up autism and generally: you are fuckig annoying. I don't speak for admins, but in my eyes they get tired of you responding to a dozen of votes, while lacking the ability to show real voting. Please chill out, cool down your autism level, let things pass as they come by and stop annoying either jai, rask (they), me, sjan and everyone on pvx. Sincerely, --  Sh @ dow / /  Haze  22:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC) awww shit, we got a cyber bully guys. Fox news said these guys kill people. 22:11, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 1. Show me the NPA, and then tell me it's worse than other NPA we've seen in the past day (Vincent's epic "Your argument is an autistic nigger", referring to Chieftain). I also only joined in the AP-MoP debate after Sjan showed gittish tendencies towards Jai's arguments. Rask is just Rask and I can't help that I wanted more reasoning from his rating. That's NPA, by the way, calling me autistic. A dozen votes? There were two poor votes that had to be addressed. I can see how Rask's can be considered fine, but Sjan's rating/reasoning was stupid. If you don't like my arguments, don't read them. I have never addressed you in an argument/discussion. Why are you crying? ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 22:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "crying"
 * The "autistic nigger" quote was a reference to Dandy's exact quote, and I can promise it was meant in good faith. 'Cause Dandy does no wrong. -- Jai .  -  22:14, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ Plus its not NPA because im saying HIS argument is an autistic nigger, not himself. Danny just said it perfectly and I thought it fit for the moment. Also what. the. fuck. is. going. on. This drama escalated FAST. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 23:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Showing autism is another way of saying you lack the reason to show intelligence. NPAs like calling people Jews and I do not give a fuck what everyone else uses as NPA, because it is just as wrong. Remember how you adressed the AP votes to multiple people just because they were not good enough? Remember? Sjan makes a way more valuable user, he actually listens. He contributes to the sc pages and he is not blatantly yelling when his build gets trashed. Rask is a troll and you don't get him. Rask is that fool of the town we call PvX. Come on, think... For once... --  Sh @ dow / /  Haze  22:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Calling someone a Jew on the Internet is about as offensive as calling someone a fag on the Internet. It's not to be taken seriously. It's practically synonymous with "dude" or "person" or "anthropomorphic personification". Calling someone autistic is another matter, because it questions their logic and critical thinking skills. I don't understand the phrase "you don't get him". What's special about this troll? @Jai; I know, but I recall Toraen or Misery stomping on that joke. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 22:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * lets all be fwiends Them 22:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * FRIENDS FOREVER! [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * PvX:CHILL Shadow, Soi and everyone else have had their say (or more than their say). Confronting him on his talk page almost NPAing him is unnecessary.-- Relyk 22:23, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not being very friendly Relyk. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:25, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I am always friendly.-- Relyk 22:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what I've done to upset Shadow so much :S~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 22:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * XBOX360 FUCK THIS SHIT. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Which one of you fucks got me banned?!?! <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 22:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't have stol'd my itemz. Btw I'm R8 glad. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 23:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

This section is now about cheesecake
Who loves it? <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   23:08, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It makes me sick but I still eat past my limit every time. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 23:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Extra whipped creme and its awwwwright Them 23:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I fucking love cheesecake-- Relyk 23:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

That image
It covers my navigation links (and most likely anyone else's on that side). Fix or remove it. Note that 3 sides of any page have navigation links on it, so you will want to be careful with a something having a fixed position on the screen. -- Toraen   confer  12:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey dude
We kind of decided to ignore the first 1RV violation seeing as there was a ton of drama going on, but doing it again shortly after the drama ended is derp. Giving you a heads up ahead of time that we posted on the AN. 03:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Who's we? -- Jai .  -  03:49, April 20 2012 (UTC)
 * Shut the fuck up. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 04:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't remove WELLs. You discuss them and come to a conclusion through months of talks and careful planning. And Jai, really; bringing up that 1RV on Chieftain's page is silly, since Toraen's seen it already and told you to stop vandalising his user page. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 04:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 1RV is 1RV, period. The build was already discussed and the person who put the well up LEFT THE WIKI. You failed to use your brain on this one soi, you repeatedly break the rules and then pull some halfass excuse out of your ass to cover up for it. That's the difference between me and you, I can fucking admit when I'm wrong. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 04:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Breaking policy is breaking policy. Reverting someone whose revert was breaking policy is breaking policy. It doesn't even matter if you're in the right, it matters that you're reverting a revert. As for Alex's page, no one posted anything to his page once Toraen said not to, so your point is moot. -- Jai .  -  04:18, April 20 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Which is why it was pointless pointing it out =/ Anyway, the well needs to be discussed. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 04:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You violated policy in order to force discussion on a topic that was already being discussed at length on several talks (including the build's talk). I don't see what you're trying to achieve other than a mandatory break from pvx. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 04:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You still (twice) reverted a revert. So no, it's not pointless pointing it out. Besides maybe reverting porn, linkspamming, or indisputable vandalism (as in, blanking a page on a template or something), reverting someone's revert is breaking policy, plain and simple. -- Jai .  -  04:25, April 20 2012 (UTC)
 * Soi breaks rules and stuff and doesn't afraid of anything. Them 04:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Earlier on the talk of the A/W Axe Tank, I said I was fine with it being a rewrite to attempt to salvage the previous build (which is why I merged its history with the A/W Crit Axe). All the votes are still there so if it ends up with the community not thinking the rewrite is sufficient, it goes straight back to trash. Leave the WELL tag off for now (speedy deletion isn't happening) and continue discussing the build. -- Toraen   confer  05:29, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Seems to be going that way anyway. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs  05:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Just want to add briefly that it is pretty fucking rich Rask accusing Soi Sticker of 1RV here when he already removed that WELL tag twice in violation of both PvX:WELL and PvX:1RV. I'm sure you will see this Rask, stop trying to wikilawyer, especially if you are wrong. The WELL tag doesn't make a build instantly get deleted, the admins are not retarded. If a WELL tag ends up on a build you have authored, first, relax, then if you think it shouldn't be there, say why on the talk page. If you are right it will get removed. If you are wrong the build will probably get deleted whether or not you try to remove the tag. A new misery 07:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * So if you delete a tag I put on a build 3 days later after numerous edits have been made then I can call you on 1RV? Your logic is fucking borked dude, hardcore. I will agree that I did remove the WELL prematurely, but that's purely because discussion on the build was ongoing before the WELL was even in place, it was alex throwing a temper tantrum. Discussion is STILL ongoing. The WELL tag is to push builds that are stuck in the trial phase out of the build space. It's not abandoned, discussion has been ongoing daily, toraen has even taken part in discussion, so I don't know where you're getting this whole "rask is a lawyer hurdur" bullshit. If you wanna ban my faggot ass for violating PvX:WELL then fucking do it and ban soi too, in the mean time stop being such a god damn carebear. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 08:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a paragraph response to this, but you get the tl;dr version 'cause I apparently didn't hit save: you're wrong, you broke policies with no good reason, WELL isn't for abandoned, and we wouldn't delete a build in the middle of the WELL discussion due to an arbitrary time limit. Ranting at Misery over this just makes you look worse.-- Toraen   confer  02:26, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't "look" worse because I don't give a fuck what people on pvx think. Outside of pvx I'm cool with anyone and everyone, but on pvx everyone is a retard. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 03:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Jaigoda/A/W Axe Tank
Your reasoning doesn't take into account the defense this provides while sacrificing some damage (which is easily covered by heroes). Rating is fine, but please re-evaluate your reasoning. 21:34, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Problem solved. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 22:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I love you man
Like this if you're a strong independent black woman who don't need no man. - ЯДSКФLИIКФV 16:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I look like a Chonsy?
Im late but lol? Silent  14:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)