Archive talk:Team - HB Spikeway

This Build was originally put together by yours Truly, Me.  &not; HoOkinHeads  12:47, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Some of those bars are very questionable. Infuse and Gift on a SoR? --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  12:55, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

My suggestions: &not; Klump eet   Enter my contest foo!  13:02, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Remove heal from SoR monk - go full prot and he'll survive better.
 * Needs Rigor Mortis on the WoH
 * D/A capper > R/P. R/P has more pressure, but this is a spike build, so it's not that useful.
 * Frenzy is usually superior to Backbreaker in HB because it doesn't make you lose a strike of adrenaline from BB.
 * You mean Frenzy instead of Flail, yes? Besides, Flail comes after BB, so the only way you wouldn't be able to use Flail is if BB misses which screws everything up anyways.  Gaze Of Balthazar 18:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

OK Thanks for the requests, Ill try to figure something out.  &not; HoOkinHeads  (PwnageWasMe! ) 19:57, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

I have added a new version of the build because too many people keep complaining about the SpearChucker and how stupid it is to put it on there.  &not; HÖΦk1N-H3aD5 ™  14:20, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

dang
this is a dupe of smitewai, ffs... --  Super Igor   *ninja!!*  19:18, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Just go on the smiteway build and write in notes that "you can use a backbreaker asassin as the player caracter". no point in having this here Edit: Done, remove this. Dumazz 09:44, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

the BB sin
take the spec out of Hammer mastery. the only thing it's doing is adding damage to your one Backbreaker hit - you want those points into Crit for Twisting Fangs. 24.63.206.168 21:41, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Please
Remove that thing saying BB sin is hard to play, I mean cmon -.-. Dark Morphon  (contribs)  10:19, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah you're right, most people know this already since many people have already tried it out ^^[[Image:ZBHookinHeads.png|19px]]  &not; HÖΦk1N-H3aD5 ™  ([[Image:AWESOMEPRO.png|20px]]) 21:27, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

This is what i use, works well with this team... still awaiting elite skill buff... Blah Your Hamster 16:53, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * That bar is very questionable. There is no IAS, which means slow spikes, but thats just me.[[Image:ZBHookinHeads.png|19px]]  &not; HÖΦk1N-H3aD5 ™  ([[Image:AWESOMEPRO.png|20px]]) 02:18, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

I vote to
remove Soothing Images from Counters until someone actually uses Soothing Images in HB. Grummore 13:07, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * done[[Image:HH2.png|120px]] ([[Image:AWESOMEPRO.png|20px]]) 18:32, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

3 suggestions

 * Get MBaS instead of Dark Escape, condi removal + better attrib spread.
 * Swap Essence Strike for Spirit Rift for spike assistance.
 * Drop Death's Charge for Assassin's Remedy, a great counter against monks using Smoke Powder Def. --Luuck 16:48, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Clearly You dont do HB, all suggestions u just posted will get you killed in no time.. just lettting you know. [[Image:ZBHookinHeads.png|19px]]  &not; H ÖΦk1N -H 3aD5 ™  ([[Image:AWESOMEPRO.png|20px]]) 00:23, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm tired of people who bitch around like this. I do HB, and I was ranked around 700. FYI, if you don't pull off your entire chain, Rift will still hit for an additional ~100 dmg. As I said, SPD is very common, and AR is a great counter to it, it's also a cover for SoH. Now, arguments please. --Luuck 02:17, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Get back to me when your hero listens to a countdown and spikes with you, the average noob will not micro it and if he has to he wont play it. Devon 02:05, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Archive because of BB nerf?
Should this be archived? -Small Canthan Monk--67.185.109.212 18:57, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Drop crits and raise Hammer and it should be viable. [[Image:Zefirsig.jpg|19px]] God Zefir  19:04, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * dropping crits is very bad. i think this should be archived. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW)Cuz Steve said so... ツ 19:06, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * says dropping crits is good. Better than nothing, at least. [[Image:Zefirsig.jpg|19px]] God Zefir  19:10, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Edit
Edited the build to what I am using. Since me and Juju and probably the only top 100 BB sins left in HB this should better reflect the backbreaker 'meta'. The D/E is used by Juju as well. I swapped out Death's Charge for Dark Prison as a counter to the shadowstep nerf. I put frenzy in instead of Flail for no reason other than the fact I prefer it. I edited the monk bars to counter the hex meta in HB (N/A's). The D/E is in there because it provides better 4v4'ing which is what this build is about most. After the FGJ nerf getting adrenaline is harder, especially against split builds (YAA/Coward sin) because it gets outsplit/outsnared before the BB sin has a chance to use his combo. Therefore it takes a more skilled sin to beat split builds now. Smurf Ohai 14:04, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * you need to get active and be bm :< thanks for rfa support btw. you arent on in game, or ur on your stupid smurf account. no pun intended.Saint 14:13, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * I'm farming #1 on my smurf. Currently #2 and need 198 rating for #1 QQ. Since I'm hbing 80% of the time I'm on GW I'm most likely on my smurf:P. Smurf Ohai 14:17, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * shoulda added before i left [Ah], let me go do that noww. =)Saint 14:20, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Smurf is almost #1 hber?-- Shadow Relyk [[Image:Relyk srs.gif|19px]] 04:34, 28 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yes and he won montly. Still; he's bad. <3 —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  06:32, 3 December 2008 (EST)

I edited this page because i found a mistake in the dervish build. There was 10+1 Earth magic attributes, not 10+1 Earth prayers.

RoJ ?
How about Ray of Judgement on the derv ? Stoella 18:32, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Heroes use it better than SH to be honest. Crazy Cow  18:36, 1 January 2009 (EST)
 * Heroes shouldn't be using it at all, you should be disabling and microing it =\--Goldenstar 22:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Other
Eh, PnH>SoR and there are a ton of cappers that can be used beyond whats listed.  Life  19:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Notrly, only other cappers out there are meld and packer, both of which you shouldn't run with sinspike--Goldenstar 20:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * wow this build is a year old--Relyk 20:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What about borat's sexy OotV capper?  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 20:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That was smurf's, borat doesn't HB. And it's bad, no one's run that ever lol--Goldenstar 21:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Obs. Ekelon Reincarnated, playing as X Borat X(or something) used it yesterday.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 21:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ekelon hasn't played a rated match in months. It's not good.--Goldenstar 21:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I;m not saying its good, im just saying its used.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 21:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. One top 100 HBer who hasn't played in ages using a hero doesn't make it common or even used--Goldenstar 21:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * so, i heard pressuring targets with a r/p hero AND having roj was pretty win. dont u think?--BLUE  APACHES  WILL KILL YOU!!!watch out or die, your choice 00:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean losing 2nd monk or turning into roj. Which means you're a horrible player--Goldenstar 01:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, back to my main point. Imo, PnH>SoR. Even if they're about equal, the choice should be more clear that they both function well. The miniskill bar doesnt really give it a whole lot of credit.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 01:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

= SoH = Is Strength of Honor even worth taking anymore for HB? The damage it does now is laughable. Maybe Judges Insight instead? Or even Order of Pain (lol). Timmy963 21:14, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe this to replace the WoH hero? Just a thought with Brutal Weapon having more damage than SoH which was the only decent reason for taking smiting in the first place. Timmy963 21:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)