Archive talk:W/any Enraged Smasher

You're going to suffer from energy problems. 07:36, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * New Auspicious Blow. This bar is bad though; shock should definitely not be the only unconditional knockdown on a hammer bar. It probably shouldn't be there at all honestly. Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 07:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Bah, I keep thinking AP needs weakness for energy. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 08:07, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you've been the last few days, but hammers no longer need to rely on unconditional knockdowns in order to get their deep wounds. Now, using Forceful/staggering blow, along with fierce blow lets you use a hammer chain thats more reminiscent of an axe chain. Arguing that it needs more unconditional kd's merely because it uses a hammer is foolish. Also, how2post name/date after a comment? Still noobish at this wiki stuff. ~Khasar

click the signature box and it will put in --~, which gives sig and timestamp-- Relyk  talk  07:59, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Aha! Ty. And yea, I was looking at a bar like the one you posted at first but I've always hated using Flail with Enraged smash. Since you arnt always going to be qknocking with that bar, half the time the person is just going to get up and run away with you stuck in slow motion. Also, you need to activate it before you use hammer bash which means that you'll have the movement de-buff too early, giving them 2 hammer swings to get away. Any player who isn't terrible kites a warrior they see enter flail without kding first. Also, taking e charge and e smash on the same bar is a waste of space. In a nutshell, I have tried both and found this to be a far better option.--Khasar 08:15, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * More reminiscent of a sword bar actually: Staggering&rarr;Fierce = Sever&rarr;Gash but with more damage. I don't particularly like Shock over Hammer Bash, but I can see how Hbash would mess things up sometimes. One minor point also: not having a shield with Frenzy is riskier than Axe/Sword with Frenzy. Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 08:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Problem solved. I prefer Heavy Blow for more damage though. 08:46, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * And why couldn't Sever get the buff that Staggering did? >.< [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 08:48, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Swords have higher attack speed already, so speeding them up more would be pretty lol. Didn't stop them from buffing Jagged Strike though. Fuck I just defeated my own point. Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 08:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's probably because you can actually do something with bleeding when using a sword. Life   Guardian  09:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't make the buffs to Jagged and Fox not retarded, but that's not relevant to this build. Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 09:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

--Frosty  00:28, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * So your chain is bash -> crushing only? [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 00:43, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no chain, you use crushing after enraged/bash. Enraged charges hammer bash in like 2/3 hits (enraged, auto, bash... or enraged, auspicious, auto, bash). --Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 00:47, March 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * What about that? As long as you're careful with heavy blow canceling shouldnt be too much of a problem. It'll also charge heavy in 1 hit I think.--Khasar 06:59, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's 5-5-5-worthy, so /SIGNED! --BlazingBurdy 19:39, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I just remembered
I have this in my userspace. User:PVX-Zyke/Build:W/Me Frenzy Smash. 06:29, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats. Here's your prize. http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs26/f/2008/115/8/2/New_energy_blast_icon_by_Ikimono1.jpg --Ikimono  "...And my axe!" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 07:21, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Derp. -- Chaos?  -- 16:58, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * yup.--Ikimono  "...And my axe!" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 00:15, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

HA/GvG
I have a feeling, no. -- Chaos?  -- 10:25, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The mini bar I posted above would work fine in GvG (and is much better than this bar...) ^_^ --Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]]
 * Bash spam is always so pro :> -- Chaos?  -- 16:03, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Frenzy
actually isnt needed at all. I ran this with burst of aggression and due to enraged smash, adrenaline is not a problem. a near full time 33% increase on a hammer war is grood, but without the double damage penalty its excellent. (Kiron 18:25, March 8, 2010 (UTC))
 * put a skill like heavy blow/hammer bash on the bar and it almost seems obvious. (Kiron 18:26, March 8, 2010 (UTC))

why in the hell
does this have four 5-5 votes. Gringo 22:05, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fanboying is cool. -- Chaos?  -- 22:07, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most people just copy others.  Terran  23:35, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

use flail and sprint and this is a good bar... --<font color="Black">Frosty  00:49, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * then fix it tbh. ···  Danny So Cute    00:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * When are you supposed to use Flail?, you loose all adren with HbashOcirne23 09:51, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Before Bash or Esmash? -- Chaos?  -- 10:40, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * well. peaple usually always run away from the warrior after he uses bulls or enraged.. and ur stuck there with 33% movement reduction, are there realy no better options then flail?Ocirne23 13:18, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * and peaple usually take a few steps back if a warrior is crawling towards them >.<Ocirne23 13:19, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you have an elite Bull's, use it. -- Chaos?  -- 13:33, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed, but it is still not optimal >.<Ocirne23 15:02, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

If you're brave, you'll use frenzy, rush, and Fierce Blow as opposed to what the Build Tab suggests: or my personal favorite: I use the 2nd variant because it has IAS with no drawback, and anti-blind since blind is the new RA meta atm... --BlazingBurdy 05:02, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wtf? You know one of the main points of this build is to spam hammer bash like a bitch right? =/ -- Steamy .. x 22:40, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

TBH
[build prof=W/P str=12+1 ham=12+1+1][Staggering Blow][Heavy Blow][Crushing Blow][Enraged Smash][Wild Throw][Flail][Sprint][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Condition removal is not a big issue since Heavy Blow hits very fast after Staggering. Heavy blow brings more damage and can knocklock on its own with the adrenaline from e-smash. Flail->Staggering->Heavy->E-smash->Staggering->Heavy(very easy quarterknock)->Crushing->E-smashOcirne23 18:59, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think Wild Throw will work. You would need to use Enraged Smash twice to fill it up and your adrenaline loss from Heavy Blow makes it difficult to use. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz...  20:06, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * E-Smash gives 5 adrenaline, 4+it hitting. And 2 more spear hits for it to charge. It works, but it would be better as an optional. Ocirne23 20:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Protector's Strike
over staggering blow for mainbar?-- Relyk 08:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Too many energy skills blows for spamming E-smash, and dropping staggering means you have no e manage at all. Plus if the foe is moving in the first place you should be KDing it -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  08:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's you hit auspicious blow before using hammer bash and trigger dw.-- Relyk 09:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Nerf
Time to archive... Was good while it lasted... -Diwo 04:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Bring bulls, you won't be able to KD lock as much, but should still be able to KD moving targets just as often. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  10:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ^Drop Staggering -- DANDY ^_^ -- 11:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

wat
k? Is a fucking pain to have a 15s cancel recharge, and Dash allows for pro Bull'sing -- DANDY ^_^ -- 10:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

10 second CD should make this pretty useless. Oh and hai. <font color="Black">Frostels 10:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If 10s Enraged is useless, you're also saying Bull's is useless, which it's not. It's using the elite slot, but just consider Enraged Smash an attribute-free version of To the Limit! Prot Strike over Bull's on that build, btw. Soi Sticker 16:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * bstrike isn't an elite-- Relyk 00:27, 1 February 2012 (UTC)