Archive talk:Mo/D HH Forge Monk

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the build doesnt even work to well cause u got to wacth wut ur agroing cause if u agro somthing and ur not suposed to U fail so i dont recamend useing this build

Video to come. — Luobailong    ···talk     ···builds  11:02, 2 August 2007 (CEST)

since you've got wind prayers anyway, why not pious restoration rather than smite hex?--Reason.decrystallized 21:13, 2 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Costs so much, and you'll be losing a somewhat precious Enchantment :/. Actually I am not happy with this build. I tried out several monk Elites, they all worked ... (SoR, BL, LS, etc.). This is definitely not the last skill change of this build. Maybe it's going to be a Generic Forge monk build. — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  00:41, 3 August 2007 (CEST)

Feel this build may better off using Dervish as primary. --Yamiingenkon 05:18, 4 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Ha ha, what a joke. This build is intended for users who do not have a Dervish ... — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  11:21, 4 August 2007 (CEST)

When i first saw this build i though why monk primary you said your self that the build could be run with out an elite so then the only monk skills you using is holy veil why not make it a Any/Dervish build? or you could make it a dervish build and suggest to people with out a dervish that they can use it as a monk...Champion 16:52, 12 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Monks are cooler.  —ǥȓɩηɔɧ 〚₮/ḉ〛 19:12, 12 August 2007 (CEST)


 * There's already the Any/D Generic Forge Runner that I wrote but it's mainly based around VoS + aids. However, HH is not to be underestimated. It helps a lot here. As this build is non-VoS I put it on a new build page (as no one was against it in the Any/D discussion. Yay :D). — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  20:28, 12 August 2007 (CEST)


 * i'm not saying put it on the same build page i'm just saying that if the build works with out monk as a primary or secondary that it should be made as a Any/Dervish build so that like you said people with out a dervish can use it not just monks or would you say this build is inferior to the Vos build w/o HH? Champion 02:54, 13 August 2007 (CEST)


 * I don't think it is inferior to the Archive:Any/D Generic Forge Runner (see Mo/D Holy Forge Runner there); it merely has other advantages and disadvantages. Energy-wise it is a much better, and you can cancel much more Enchants that would be in the way (Fleeting). On top of that it was never easier for monks to run Snake Dance, etc. with HH. As the Any/D Generic page already covers all the Generic VoS builds for almost all professions, it also covers a good portion of non-VoS alternatives. Creating another Any/D Forge Runner Without VoS page might a bit over the top. — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  20:38, 13 August 2007 (CEST)

New Revision (HH)
Revised the build again. — Luobailong    ···talk     ···builds  18:23, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Reason for HH in this builds over other monk Elites are:


 * Energy management (you will notice that the Dervish skills demand very much energy)
 * Casting time
 * No need for further hex removals
 * The ease of encountering masses of Tundra Giants with it — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  12:44, 7 August 2007 (CEST)

LAME
For finding a use for Healing Hands, one of the lamest of lame skills, you win a gold star!  —ǥȓɩηɔɧ 〚₮/ḉ〛 08:12, 8 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Cool :D. The first one in my collection :D. But for running and tanking purposes, you really can't find a better Elite monk skill being this cheap, and this fast to cast, and recharge. ^.^ — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  11:34, 8 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Tbh, HH sucks really badly. It was pretty good during the beta when it wasn't elite but now it's just meh. When HH got the gold border around it, it forgot to get a buff.  —ǥȓɩηɔɧ 〚₮/ḉ〛 11:48, 8 August 2007 (CEST)


 * HH as Elite sucks bad, but in the beta it was way too overpowered, especially for PvP. As this build would work fine without Elite, HH does offer some nice advantages here over all other monk Elites. Finally, HH has found its place :D. — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  10:34, 9 August 2007 (CEST)


 * I think you're forgetting other builds that have used Healing Hands. This is totally not the first good build with that monk elite. W/Mo SOLOing Thirsty River used HH, and so did lots of Sanctum Cay running builds. I've seen it for Ettin farming too. ;) --Foolsauce 14:29, 20 September 2007 (CEST)

Harriers Haste?
Is this really neccisary? With the buff to Enchanted Haste it can be kept up constantly with the attribute setup that is given here. I don't know what you would put in its place, but I'm sure a better skill can be found. ---  Ressmonkey   (talk)  00:17, 14 August 2007 (CEST)


 * I'm aware of the skill change, so that Enchanted Haste can be kept up indefinitely. But only if an Enchantment is up. It happens quite often that you will run Ench-less due to stripping, and that's where Harrier's will come into place increasing your chance for surviving drastically. — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  12:06, 14 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Besides that, there's nothing else to really deserve a slot here. It's a nice safeguard.--Fallen 03:09, 24 September 2007 (CEST)
 * For the sake of reliability for this long run Harrier's Haste cannot be replaced easily or else you will find yourself off-guard when getting totally stripped (which is most likely to happen at the end of the Lornar's Pass run). Patient Spirit is a great skill for running though, as it, with +20% longer Enchantments, can be used to get into aggro and damage range and get healed a tad while running. — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  11:52, 24 September 2007 (CEST)

Healing hands? Does it actually out heal the dmg that u take? and if ur going to run droks, how do u intend to prevent ice imps from killing u using mind freeze and maelstrom?
 * Yes. You can get through hexes with proper pre-veiling and use of pious. — Skakid9090 04:40, 29 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Watch the vid ... — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  15:05, 29 September 2007 (CEST)

Hmm..
What if.. Holy Veil was replaced by Purifying Veil? With a couple of points in Prot Prayers? I mean since Pious Restoration takes off 2 hexes and recharges pretty quick. 71.2.168.37 18:46, 25 June 2008 (EDT)