Build talk:Any/A Wastrel's Collapse Runner

hey this build aint linking to testing builds... wonder why Demonic Sin Ex 07:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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vote vote vote vote vote Demonic Sin Ex 03:07, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Eh
I had submitted this (well, something extremely similar) on the old pvx and cba finding it here as idk how to log in but that shouldn't be discussed here. Sam6555 --2.120.27.2 02:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That build is archived in this wiki simply because no primary assassins would even use it (slow and ineffective). Also the builds aren't the same at all.  This build is for ANY class to run areas with few hexes like Desolation, Desert, and Ascalon to LA runs at the fastest speed possible.  Your build is mainly an alternate for PRIMARY sins to run Droks (from your description), and is not at all fast compared to the other Drok builds out there for primary sins.  Also it cannot match the speed of this build in places that are not hex-heavy like Droks. Demonic Sin Ex 05:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * i love burning booze for a slightly faster run--Christmas sig.jpg talk  06:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * surely dash would be better over drunken master. 50% move speed 6/8 seconds is better imo. sure you burn through energy faster but who cares. 77.100.71.78 17:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * umm and what would u be doing while dash is recharging? and the downtime is fairly long if you don't have r10 delver. Demonic Sin Ex 00:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Drunken master
Really doesn't seem the optimal IMS. I would suggest IMS should be an "Optional slot x" and have Dark Escape and Dash as options; Drunken Master seems pointless using up booze while already having IaU. Minion  14:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * well booze helps dstab as well (iau isn't enough for areas like snake dance if you are running nonstop). And drunken master allows bar compression so you can use another skill of your choice.  if using de+dash there would be no optionals whatsoever unless ur getting rid of a shadow step. and drunken master is faster ;) Demonic Sin Ex 23:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant one or the other, not both. Also, how is DStability bar compression when you still have to take IaU for cripple prevention? Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Imo if going for sheer speed one would have to go derv for 100% 50%ims...maybe something like

[build prof=D/A sha=12 mys=12][Dark Prison][Wastrel's Collapse][Ebon Escape][Dwarven Stability][Conviction][Pious Haste][Heart of Shadow][Death's Charge][/build] --E.Snow 00:43, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No IaU! would cripple you! Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Read conviction and pious haste. Tho, if more than than 1crip/12sec you might be screwed. Roland 01:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. Then this is a whole lot better than the main page version. Update tiem.  Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 01:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * are you guys forgetting this is an any/a build? and not a d/a build?  and to respond minion, if you are only taking 1 of either dash or dark escape, you won't even have perma ims, and it will be very slow.  And dstab is needed in both cases, to prolong stance duration (yeah 13 sec dark escape and 30 sec recharge without dstab is VERY slow). Also, as mentioned before, getting drunk will allow dstab to function as anti-kd when iau is down.Demonic Sin Ex 02:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Well tbh its not "any"/A as theres no way your gonna run this on 2 pip war or para.--E.Snow 02:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So you think we should do [A/D/Mo/Me/N/E/Rt/R]/A instead? -- Jai . -  03:00, September 15 2011 (UTC)
 * Hurr, I didn't mean to take out DS, but to take a better IMS. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 03:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I was being somewhat facetious. Since the whole point of wastrels runner is to be as fast as possible....you really can't get faster then the perma 50%ims that a derv has w/ the shadow stepping...i.e. the derv does it better than any other profession. Thus imo the build should be d/a with others as varients.--E.Snow 03:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * lol you can run this using war/para. what kind of ims are you referring to minion?  and this build is to allow most professions the ability to run low-hex area runs like desert, desolation, talus, etc at the fastest speed possible for their profession, with the exception of sins and dervs (and the page itself already said that, if your primary profession has better ims skills, use those instead of drunken master). Demonic Sin Ex 03:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You'd likely use dark prison sparingly, but otherwise you're fine with a staff/high energy set on warrior. All you have to do for D/A or A/D is switch SF to wastrel's collapse, that much is already covered. This is for other professions. Drunken Master is slightly less optimal than spamming Dash at max delver, except spamming Dash means less shadowstep spam and 2/3 regen can't afford it.
 * Who the fuck wants to spam Dash when you have a 3 minute 33% ims available anyways?-- Relyk 04:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * dash spam drains energy so fast. Demonic Sin Ex 04:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Dash doesn't have the recharge to drain energy so fast. A bunch of other 5e spells won't tip you over the edge, either. And I was referring to Dark Escape/Dash optionals, seeing as you've got no spell protection, you may need some damage mitigation. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 13:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * butbutbut...shadow steps + speed of this build are enough for heals. and de+dash+dstab is slower vs perma 33 of drunken master+dstab, and drunken master gives bar compression as i said (3 skills (24 sec de+6 sec dash) vs 2 skills (perma 33%). The only thing you need with drunken master+stab is booze, but you need booze anyways to help counter kd while iau is down.  so drunken master+dstab should be main bar.   Demonic Sin Ex 23:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't say bring both at the same time...  Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:42, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So what are you trying to say lol. Demonic Sin Ex 23:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought this was for areas you don't need shadow form, which would be everywhere except Icedome and technically droks. Spamming dash, hos, and shadowsteps on recharge, it's hard enough on energy for casters, rangers/paragons/warriors will have even more difficult time. You don't need damage mitigation because you are running, not jogging past enemy groups. Are you just theorycrafting shit?-- Relyk 23:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a bar I run on my necro; it very may well not work on melee, but there is plenty of energy from spamming Dash. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * what bar is that Demonic Sin Ex 01:18, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

[build prof=any/ass Shad=12][Dwarven Stability][Dash][Heart of Shadow][Death's Charge][Wastrel's Collapse][Dark Prison][Shroud of Distress]["I am Unstoppable!"][/build] Optional:
 * - If fleeing isn't enough


 * 6s Dash>constant 33%. I wouldn't waste alcohol for running through easy areas anyway. For that reason Drunken Master is meh. (sry for the late reply) There are better versions for melee, so no point factoring them for this build.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 06:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Where's dark prison?-- Relyk 08:02, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * que Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 08:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * nvm staring at wiki too long. I figured out a great solution.-- Relyk 08:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * dash is actually not an optimal IMS skill cuz it drains energy really fast, meaning that you do not have enough energy to spam your shadow steps, which is the whole point of this build via wastrels (and shadow steps > any IMS skill). Also, you need a very high delver rank for dash to last 5-6 seconds.  Anything lower than a 5 sec dash is not fast at all (4 sec u basically only get 25% perma IMS with high energy usage if you use dash on recharge.  Even dark escape+dash combo provides faster IMS for way lower energy usage, allowing you to use your shadow steps more).  Drunken master, on the other hand, lasts for well over a minute so that you can spam your shadow steps on recharge, and the 25-33% boost it gives while drunk is excellent for a skill that doesn't drain any energy at all.  True, drunken master requires booze, but if you do not have booze, then the de+dash combo works better than spam dash, as the main purpose of this build is to spam shadow steps, which means you need to conserve energy, and the different of speed between de+dash and dash spam is relatively small if your delver rank isnt maxed.  00:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)