Build talk:A/E Perma Boss Farmer

(Pre-Move)

Adapt, adapt, adapt :P Le Shadow Form Slayer     15:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounding like Darwin everyday. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 15:46, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * :P Le Shadow Form Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 17:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * pretty tables-- Relyk 22:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Nice
This page helped me a lot ! Keep up the good work ! --66.131.196.198 22:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

After Move
What do you think?Le Shadow Form Slayer     11:47, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the expandable boxes, the text inside them should be black for readability (some of those colors are way too light). Also, borders in the tables would probably be good to keep the notes sections from appearing to bleed into each other. Also, you need to remove any first-person view from the article. --  Toraen   talk  19:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Will change colors. And the borders, I will add. First-person view how? The notes are only advise. Le Shadow Form Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 19:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Can somebody be of help with the borders inside???? Le Shadow Form Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 19:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The article shouldn't have things written from the viewpoint of an author (in your introduction, you say "Bosses are going to be added everytime I kill one." Since you do not own the article, it should not appear to others that it is yours. I haven't read every notes section so I don't know how many other times it happens, but read over it and change the phrasing wherever there is first-person text. --  Toraen   talk  19:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Changing intro. <font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 19:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think builds that don't use Shadow Form belong on this page. The Flashing Blades stuff can go here (the page might be moved to A/any, but discussing it first would probably be good). I don't know where the two monk-boss farming builds would go, but they don't fit on a page about Shadow Form. --  Toraen   talk  19:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * True, I just found them to work only without the need for shadow form. I just stored them for those who wanted to try them anyway. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 19:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's preferable that you don't, but I guess it isn't a significant issue-- Relyk 05:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Other farming areas
Rather than mess with the table, I decided to just post them here. With the whirling you can also farm snowmen and dragon mosses. -- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  17:21, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just give the info in what way I gave it. You dont need the skill bar, just the Template code. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 17:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Bluetapeboy and Ressmonkey
Which build works faster than this. Please explain your vote. If you can't, I would ask you to remove or change your vote. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer     15:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The builds are variable based on boss farmed. If you really want me to give 25 different farming builds, I will, but I dont think anyone wants that.  Tbh, the problem is that shadow form is just not a good boss farming skill.  In short, obsidian flesh has no problems with the damage cap and can get 16 earth, the a/me and a/n versions dont have nearly as much damage as sv, and the a/r just does half as much damage as a r/a.  I looked over the list of bosses and figured I could farm almost every single one faster than this could.  For bosses, shadow form is easy and it works for most everything, but optimized builds from other professions are just better. Ressmonkey 17:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I always had a problem with Obby Flesh because of its casting times. I just prefer Shadow Form. <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 17:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Why we have 2 wastes farming builds and 2 plains farming builds, isn't pve rated "by profession"? <font color="##157DEC">Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 17:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This isn't really a build, just 4 general bars stuck on one page and then 3 sentences on how to farm stuff with shadow form (or without). The builds need to be split up or this moved to a guide. We already have A/R covered btw. You might want to resurrect Archive:A/E Perma Sliver Farmer and add the a/n and a/me variants to it.-- Relyk 17:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a kind of resurrection and Sjan has a point <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 17:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it is good to have all these SF shroud based build together, so you can choose in one view who or what you are going to farm. For the Non- SF/Shroud build this isn't the right place. I think this build will help people who want to farm really. Because adding a page for each thing that can be farmed, and is profitable, is a waste of time. <font color="##157DEC">Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 18:01, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * @SFS, no you're trying to add farming builds to it as well. Sjan's point is irrelevant to the discussion, the a/d is a variant of d/a and the derv smite farm is the derv version of 100b that does the exact same thing.
 * @sjan, it's not as daunting as it sounds. It's soloing bosses with sliver. The A/R variant is covered on the R/A page. The only build that would need it's own page is the plant farm. It's a waste of time to try and cover it all on one page rather than create a page for each unique farm.-- Relyk 18:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Non-SF builds
Putting these two here for SFS. They don't belong on the build page, so hopefully you can find a better home for them. --  Toraen   talk  05:36, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure ;) <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 07:00, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Chkkr Thousand Tail
where are the dragon moss's required for the agro-n-kill? i only see groups with menders and wardens. there are oni but on a different path. 98.134.130.41 06:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "A New Escort"-- Relyk 07:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion
Create a guide and remove this? --  Shadow Step 06:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

1/5 Votes
These votes are contradictory. If the build is wholly ineffective, how could it possibly get a 5 for uni? AegisDok 07:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Although I disagree with the vote, I see the reason for the 5 uni: the build's adaptation to any area, any situation is huge. Uni means that something can adapt flexibly to surroundings and to changes and adding optionals always increases uni, unless they make no sense. --  Shadow Step 07:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If the build is ineffective at farming altogether (which a 1 in effectiveness would imply), then it wouldn't be a flexible build because it wouldn't be able to effectively farm anything. I get what the voters are saying; it can farm a lot but it's slow as hell, but a 1/5 doesn't make sense.  At any rate, I'm pretty sure these votes are inconsistent with the vetting policy.  I could have sworn there was something like "A vote with zero in effectiveness and 5 in universality is considered contradictory" on the Real Vetting page. AegisDok 07:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not slow as hell, I can complete bosses in no-time. Some may be a bit slower than others, but there is no way you can say this is slower than SV --  Shadow Step 09:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing about the merits of the build. AegisDok 09:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Two things
<font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex 16:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The A/N bar appears to be unused for any of the bosses or farmable mobs. Should we delete that bit?
 * The collapsible tables are annoying as fuck, would anyone object if I put a sortable table with all the bosses in (organised by default by profession?)
 * The A/N bar can be used instead of the a/me most of the times. It is never registered however. I do see a reason to delete it.
 * I do not object. --  Shadow Step 16:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Job well done, looks pretty good now indeed --  Shadow Step 21:33, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup and page split
Pretty huge page, overhauling it may take some time. For starters, it seems like the necro bar is never used (as discussed above) so at the very least we could start by cutting that. That leaves us with A/E and A/Me, can I convert this into an A/E page with Sliver and make a new one for A/Me? EDIT: on a second thought we may be better off archiving it and starting anew. I'd like to keep this page as is because it could be a very useful point of reference, lots of potential farm spots are listed with instructions (although I think many of them may no longer applicable) --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A/N looks inferior to A/Me, so if that's true and the reason why it doesn't see use it would probably be best to drop it. Separate pages for A/E and A/Me sound ok to me. Because of the low amount of build raters we currently have it'd probably be better to keep this page to preserve the old ratings, at least for the more common build variant (A/E I suppose?). Are the builds interchangeable or do they have decisively different strengths? If A/Me or A/E is just flavour we could aswell keep both on one page. --Krschkr (talk) 17:13, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A/E is for places where you can position yourself in a way that only the boss is in range of Sliver Armor and the mobs just serve as batteries for it, while A/Me can 1v1 without help (at least that's how it looks thus far). A/Me is very slow though. I agree with keeping the ratings, it wouldn't get rated higher than good anyways. I'll test more during the week, could still be a good boss farmer build, but it's rather slow when it comes to killing groups (Escape scythe ranger is about three times faster in some cases for example). --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 17:37, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * User:DefinitelyNotHanz/Sandbox/AE_Perma updated ~90% of the bars + the template codes, also cut down on the number of columns so hopefully it looks a bit better now. A/E is significantly better than A/Me - of course they farm different groups, but there's no way there are no builds out there that do the A/Me part 10 times faster (although most of the A/Me bosses are very close to the portal so it kind of evens out). The couple of mob farm spots could be removed, it performs better as a boss farmer. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Can we reconsider the 1/5 votes?
Sure more specialized bars can farm specific areas faster, but a 1/5 effectiveness vote implies a "trash" build that doesn't work (outside of the "working" 3.75+ category). Since the build clearly works (personally verified, and there is video evidence), I don't see how a 1/5 effectiveness vote is warranted. --Xanshiz (talk) 02:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * +1, it's clearly better than a 1/5. Even if there are better, specialized builds, they aren't that much faster and there are bosses only this can farm. Not to mention how versatile this is, able to farm dozens of places. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 09:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)