User talk:Tlam/Sandbox

Normal mode
This gives about 14k per hour which works out to 4 days of afk play. Just walk away and its all auto. One could use scrolls and reduce that to 32 hours --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tlam (talk) at 18:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC).
 * I forgot to mention that this is for hard mode where you get ~295k exp/h with scrolls, roughly 4.5 hours of afk-ing.Tlam 21:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

May i ask how you get 3 mesmers heros? There are only 2 (Gwen and Norgu) Could you work around this? Maybe Rit/Mes? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.168.166.24 (talk) at 11:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC).
 * Perhaps you've been out of the loop for a while... once you have the hero "Razah", you can go to the Isle of the Nameless or the Command Post and switch his primary profession to anything you see fit. In this case, Tlam has chosen to switch Razah to a mesmer primary. I don't recall the particulars, but i think you may lose any ritualist runes and insignias you had on Razah when you change him. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  11:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * How is the hero going to have 18 protection prayers? I can get it up to 17 using +3+1 runes and +1 from staff. Candy Corn doesn't affect heroes.--193.60.68.130 02:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC) Orestis
 * You should use a Grail of Might, that'll give you the extra point needed. RaXsO 13:51, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Aggro
It seems like my mesmer keep getting the aggro no matter how I place them. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.111.83.168 (talk) at 01:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC).


 * Same here, I just get to the second group, then an enemy sees the mesmers, kills them, and everything screws up. Any ideas? RaXsO 13:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Same here, too. The titans of madness just ignore me after some time and attack my two keystone M's. Tried to move slightly further away but then the attackers are no more in range for both mesmers. Any Idea ? Edit: I slightly changed the main party position so that they helped the two keystone's (disabling the two monks skills except the signet and set them to peaceful). The risk of getting whiped is bigger when several titans pass the player, but as long there is only one or two the mesmers are saver. Thank you for your guide. It helped me a lot after I died due to a lag with 800+ k exp. 79.207.105.166 22:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Superior Vigor Runes
Do they all require superior vigor runes or will it be doable with just hp + 30? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.115.54.69 (talk) at 06:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC).
 * Vigors don't tend to matter after you hit Major vigors, they're perfectly good enough for heroes. Heck I run around in hard mode without any vigors at all :p Chieftain Alex  19:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Think what you might be doing wrong is that you placed the player in the wrong spot. The right position is important since a body block is working best wenn almost allowing units to sneak past your side towards the hill. Besides, be sure to have no heros using martial weappons and place them as shown in the pics as well Namora  22:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Have to try this out
Just finished setup; waiting to find out results. First problem: Beserker scroll al most ran out. Survived that, now seems to be going well :D --81.145.109.153 22:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I came back with r2 and death. Looks like bonders failed me.  --81.145.109.153 00:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Third try worked like a charm; I de-equipped my bonder's caster sword and bought near-starter-level armour and this time was all clear :D --81.145.109.153 07:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Leniency
I've begun attempting this setup, but the cost of some of the specific bits of equipment are problematic. I can set myself up just find, but what of the heroes? -Must- they have the exact equipment outlines here? My alliance stated they succeeded with mostly unruned heroes, but I don't want to spend all this money just to fail. Trying to get all the bases covered before I attempt.--  anguard  01:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * iirc, you only need cons, the +1/x% Prot offhand, and caster weapons for heroes. stuff like sup vig isn't absolutely needed &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 16:56, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a ballpark price range? How much would it cost me to set up?-- VanguardLogo75px.png anguard  01:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me think... Weapons 12k + scrolls 1.6k(with backup) + Grail 2k + runes and stuff 5kish = 20.6k. This still seems cheaper to do then any other style of LS farming. It only gets cheaper if you have stuff in your inventory and well worth the investment imo. --JAM 12:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't sound too unreasonable. Now I just have to use my brain and figure everything else out :/-- VanguardLogo75px.png anguard  14:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Armour rating
Can you explain why is needed a low armour rating on the player? It isn't used Spirit Bond to heal, the damage is reduced no matter your AL using bonds. Sorry for the probably noob question. Erebo 07:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it's cheaper. --Sewa 07:46, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Enemy A.I. prefers to attack the 'squishiest' target, by having low armour (and health) you become their target of choice. This encourages them to ball on you allowing for more efficient AoE damage.Tlam 13:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Death by Titans
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I aggro the titans and move to the afk spot and then the next thing I know, I'm dead. It seems as though a Pain Titan is able to get through all the bonds and one shot me. I have followed the builds/weapons/etc of the hero's except only major vigor runes. The excellent screen shots make me pretty certain that I have my hero's in the right places although I might not be in quite the right afk spot as I haven't had time to tweak my position before I'm dead. Suggestions?

Fantastic
I will put my support in for this build 100%. I tried three times - first time I got the positioning wrong, second time I came back to find my PC had lagged out, but the third time I came back and found I had nearly 2 million exp without dying. This build is fantastic. Mucho gracias Tlam. Ruttwood 02:17, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Takes forever to set up and is utterly torturous. I'm not sure I would recommend it.  When it IS set up, though, it's failsafe.  And it's interesting; that counts for something too. - 96.248.9.117 03:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ? this weekend i got LS on my last toon, took ~half hour to set up and 4:45 afk. good way to catch up on movies after school year lol. i'd recommend this over kath hammers any day. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 19:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

18 Protection Prayers
I gave this a try and I did as outlined in the Sandbox. The bonder had +17 protection prayers when using the Grail so that left the other +1 for the offhand - which I had. So I continued to use the enchantment but it wouldn't work. This says to me that the 1/20% of the offhand wasn't working for my hero. I must have tried 200 or more times. Finally the Grail wore off. Frankly, I don't understand why the bonder's enchantments don't work at +17 protection prayers but mine do at +13. (Feel free to answer that one but please be nice:)

Anyway, shouldn't the offhand work a little better than that? After 200+ tries the protection prayers should have tipped to +18, correct? If anyone has any ideas or has run into this problem please let me know if you overcame it. Much appreciated.

Interestingly rather than just resign I did move over to the AFK spot and my heroes were taking down the Titans after the Grail ran out. I went AFK but somehow I must have been a little too high on the ridge b/c the wraiths were aggro'd. But this does point to a possibility that if things are not working correctly just move to the AFK spot with all the heroes. If you have a beserker scroll and keep your normal armor then it may still work. 174.109.17.144 11:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)IK
 * Dare I suggest either you cancelled the bond on 2 energy, or that you were using a +1 (20%) for another attribute that wasn't protection prayers? (or were using no/minor/major runes, resulting in not being able to reach 18 even with a +1 mod) Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx 11:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought of that too. Just to be sure I didn't completely F' it up, I checked and re-checked the off-hand (it is 1/+20 protection prayers) along with checking runes and other aspects of the set-up.  I couldn't find anything that was amiss.  I'll continue to try.  Thanks for the suggestion.  Any others? "IK"174.109.17.144 21:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, after doing some more testing it turns out that neither of my monks are able to cast any enchantment that has a -1 energy maintenance requirement. This is true throughout various explorable areas in Nightfall.  They have the exact set-up as in the sandbox along w/the runes - they have tons of energy and are not maintaining any other enchantments when I've been testing this.  As a control I used the skills on myself (-1 enchantments) and on heroes w/out any problem and I have 12 protection prayers.  AAAAAhhhhhhhh!  WTH?  Anyone know what's going on with that?  174.109.17.144 00:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC) IK
 * Such a newb! I didn't have the skills cancelled so they hero wouldn't automatically end it. UGH - and DUH! Mystery solved. 174.109.17.144 00:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC) IK

SoS/Resto Weapon
Does the SoS/Resto not carry a weapon or does it just not matter what he takes? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Solet (talk &bull; contribs) 10:12, 28 June 2012‎ (UTC).
 * The optional skills (Bloodsong and Splinter) are right below the skill bar. Dur I read that as weapon spell for some reason. -- Toraen   confer  19:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * during afk, that hero won't be in combat so it's up to you. 40/40 Resto for the mission if possible, but doesn't matter much. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 22:02, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this :)
Did a test run in normal mode, without the +1/20 offhand, brought the grail and the scrolls ... just to get the positioning down and what not. 2nd run going strong still actually. Getting 231xp * 8 every 30 seconds like clockwork (literally as soon as the last madness titans die, the abominations run up). So 3,696 xp / min looks to take roughly 6 hours (1,337,000 xp / 3,696 (xp per minute) = 361 (minutes) / 60 (minutes) = 6.02 hours. A little over an hour longer then hard mode. An hour and 10 minutes in, got R1 survivor already :D (don't know how much XP i had before going afk, wasn't much though as I wiped from the first run, then went straight back in, so clearing up to afk ... guessing 10k xp?).

The only damage I'm taking is from degen (3 seconds worth), all physical and elemental damage is a big fat 0.

To bad these titans don't carry any wallets to loot from :D Aloha, Mauirixxx 10:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Normal Mode Completion
Thank you very much for this guide! After trying this in Hard Mode a few times & dying (I didn't have the +1/20% nor the Superior Vigors or all the 40-20-20/40-40 weapons), I wanted to see how I would go in Normal Mode. Got to the AFK spot in roughly 20-25 minutes, set up all the heroes and went for gold. Took a little bit to position my character correctly so that he would constantly aggro the monsters (I think you might be on to something about facing the main party flag making the monsters run past you less), but I finally got it and watched it for a while and then popped my Berserker's Insight scroll. All up in total it took me roughly 7 hours from start to finish. I've uploaded a screenshot of it here: File:User_Lacky_Legendary_Survivor.jpg. I also made a livestream of it on Twitch.tv and also uploaded after to YouTube. You can watch it here: http://www.twitch.tv/marik_332000/v/54750789. Cheers! :) - Lacky 12:16, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

June 2016 - Hey guys, I just wanted to post and let you know that I successfully ran this build in normal mode and completed my title on my warrior for 27/30 maxed.

I made several attempts in hard mode and got wiped out because enemies were running past me and killing my mesmers. After about 5 times of failing (and wasting my Grail), I decided to try normal mode. Note: I do not have all the 40/20/20 and 20/20 runes as suggested. I did have a spare 20/+1 prot offhand that I used. To speed things up, I put all 3 mesmers in the same spot for more damage (rather than having the 1 hang out back) - this worked well for me and I suggest trying it.

Using a berserker's scroll, I afk'd for about 9 hours. I started around 11:45pm and it finished around 8:45am - of course I slept through it just hoping I wouldn't wake up to a dead toon.

All in all, this was a success for me! It took me a couple hours to put together the builds and then a few more hours remembering how to play GW well so I can fight my way through, and then it took 5 total party wipes and wasted cons/scrolls, but I finally got it the 6th time! Good luck!