PvXwiki talk:Guides/2012 Rewrite

Basically delete all the guides and portals pointing to them (apart from the GvG ones + non stubby outdated ones). most of them are useless as they are :/  Chieftain   Alex  16:41, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A few I'd target for archival:
 * Guide:PvE Metagame
 * Guide:PvP Metagame
 * Guide:Underworld Trapping
 * All of the profession guides - at the moment they're the same as the GWWiki guides tbh. and a lot stubbier with red links.
 * Guide:Urgoz's Warren is inferior to the GWW one. [ and massively incomplete ]
 * Perhaps guides tagged with Template:Archived-Guide should be untagged from the other subcategories?-- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  17:48, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * PvE and PvP metagame should be updated to explain wtf is meant by those terms, and not bother listing builds. Massively incomplete guides should just be deleted since there's not much point in storing it like that (precedent: Builds). --  Toraen   talk  17:58, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

In the interest of cleaning up the guide namespace, I think that archived guides should be sent to the Archive namespace (named Archive:Guide - ) and the style and formatting guides should be put in a guidelines category instead of the guides category to keep them separate. I think this is going to turn into a policy proposal, so I'll write up something more concrete later. --  Toraen   talk  18:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea. [Also on the move archived guides to Archive space comment, was that approval for me to remove the additional categories at the bottom of currently archived pages?] -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  19:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just comment out those categories. --  Toraen   talk  21:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Moving guides to Archive namespace
Archive namespace is meant for builds. I'd rather not throw users a curve ball by their being guides in their to.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  00:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No one (other than us admins) searches the archive namespace by using Special:PrefixIndex/Archive:, so I don't really see how it's a problem. The archive category pages are what's linked from the main page. Similarly, there is a category page for archived guides. I just prefer archived guides not remain in the guide namespace for selfish maintainance reasons. --  Toraen   talk  01:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Granted, it is not a core tenet of this proposal, so I wouldn't care that much if it were removed. --  Toraen   talk  01:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it makes my OCD crazy for the same reasons I mentioned in my first comment =x.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  22:58, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Crap, our OCDs are incompatible. -- Toraen   confer  07:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Guides should be meta
If a guide isn't part of the metagame, it should be in your userspace. I think this is something important to add to this guideline. They can expand outside the standard meta a bit, but it should be a meta task. Guide for farming the Underworld, ok. Guide for farming random explorable area, not ok. Mentioning that it is possible to solo farm the Underworld with a Paragon primary is also ok in my opinion, even though no one in their right mind would ever do that, but it shouldn't be much more than a mention and a mini skill bar. A new misery 16:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Added. It was pretty much the first bullet already, but saying it more explicitly is a very good idea. --  Toraen   talk  16:29, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

If this passes
Remind me to archive PvXwiki:Guides (which isn't a policy, but a guideline, for some reason). --  Toraen   talk  08:25, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Since you seem to be implementing proposed changes (they're all good imo) I'll guess this passed - this is a small bump for above^ [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  18:12, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm just doing logical stuff that should be done anyway, if you're referring to the move of the style guides category to style guidelines. I'd really like more feedback on whether Archived Guides should be moved or not (and also I came up with this so I probably shouldn't be the one passing it). --  Toraen   talk  18:19, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Generally it requires more input before we pass things.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  19:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Generally stuff like this doesn't garner much interest - esp. from trolls of pvx. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  21:24, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not true, it usually gets a lot of interest. I can't think of a situation that hasn't been the case. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  22:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Reopening discussion
Not like anyone uses the guides anymore, but I just chose to make the guides as a guideline, not a policy because guides are by their nature pretty freeform. Still, this works pretty well and keeps guides with real vetting and other related policies.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   00:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)