Archive talk:D/any Wounding Strike Spike Dervish

Seeing WS fairly often in GvG as well. Aonsephonie 18:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hex breaker on a frontliner. That's epic.-- GWPirate 关 10:13, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

How about Wind Prayers instead of Earth? Put in Harriers Haste, Lyssa's Haste, Rending Aura/Whirling Charge. Bring Lyssa's Assault for yet another interrupt. --Drinkicetea 12:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * because cracked armor + dw on same hit = epic. screw the interupts, 90% of people who run this will just spam it wastefully.
 * Ain't the cracked armour applied after the hit? or am i reading this incorrect --Bio. 17:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's actually Enchant stripped > Cracked Armor applied > Attack hits > Deep Wound applied. -- Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png|link=User:Toraen]] 17:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is. This has been demonstrated with the condition-removal effects of Flash Enchantments like Conviction and Grenth's Fingers removing blind before hit. Aonsephonie 18:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, i've always thought it didn't but anyway hitting 115 damage onto crit + bleeding and deep wound = epic --Bio. 20:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Wind prayer's variant with harrier's haste, grenth's fingers, and rending aura
 * Best WS bar I've seen so far. Good e-management so that you'll be able to spam HoHF -> WS -> Mystic on recharge. 141.165.138.129 03:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * For the builds that it's used in (lawlspikes with super caster midlines), it excels. Outside of those, though, it's not quite amazing.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  19:17, 16 Apr 2011 (UTC)
 * [FA] seems to favor that very build quite frequently - and it wins. Would you suggest we WELL this and just write up the full team? Aonsephonie 16:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that the full writeup should be done in addition to the individual build, because the dervish (and most of the other build components) is viable outside of that specific build. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  20:18, 27 Apr 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that the full writeup should be done in addition to the individual build, because the dervish (and most of the other build components) is viable outside of that specific build. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  20:18, 27 Apr 2011 (UTC)

I don't like having four optionals =\
Should we consider listing two different pages or two different mainbars? One for the earth variant and one for the wind variant?--TahiriVeila 17:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Technically, there's a pure scythe-myst variant as well. -- Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png|link=User:Toraen]] 17:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

[build prof=D/any scythe=12+1+1 mystic=12+1][Wounding Strike][Mystic Sweep][Crippling Victory][Zealous Renewal][Heart of Holy Flame][Heart of Fury][Enchanted Haste][Resurrection Signet][/build]

[build prof=D/any scythe=12+1+1 mystic=9+1 windprayers=9+1][Wounding Strike][Mystic Sweep][Radiant Scythe][Harrier's Grasp][Rending Aura][Heart of Fury][Harrier's Haste][Resurrection Signet][/build]

[build prof=D/any scythe=12+1+1 mystic=9+1 earthprayers=9+1][Wounding Strike][Mystic Sweep][Radiant Scythe][Aura of Thorns][Staggering Force][Heart of Fury][Fleeting Stability][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Imo, cba to make minibars 82.73.104.149 18:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * An example of two wind WS bars. Not much similar on these bars; I'd prefer the page not be so messy, but the bars aren't simple to consolidate even by attribute. In any case, the format would likely be more manageable once split (though there would be 3), so I don't have a problem with that. Aonsephonie 19:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ^Those lack snares and enchantments. 82.73.104.149 19:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Some GvG teams put enough confidence in their water Ele, gale, or Mind Shock to free up space on the WS Dervs' bars. Also, Fleeting it never run over Enchanted Haste/Harrier's Haste. The ability to remove blind (via Enchanted Haste -> WS) or the additional damage provided by Harrier's Haste are the better options; I'm going to remove them from the page. Further, please keep opinions from altering content. Shadow Steps can be (and are) used fine for spikes, when used in conjunction with fake spiking. Aonsephonie 19:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a single sane frontliner would fight without any form of movement control. Even if your ele is handling all the movement, you can't always rely on his snares. Dervish snares are so OP that one skill can replace an entire water ele. Especially with a WS bar that can pressure as well as it can spike. You will need a bit more movement controll than just one ele to spread your conditions. Also, Fleeting stability is a great skill, the anti-KD prevents you from getting backlined. The ability to remove blind (via Enchanted Haste -> WS) is not necessary stronger then an anti-KD IMS, that is your opinion. Feel free to prove me wrong though. 82.73.104.149 20:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If I ever see it, I'll add it back. This has no rating; it's here because its meta, not because everyone on PvX approves of it.
 * Generally, these bars are run with both a MoI and Mind Shock/Invoke with Gale. Eles can control movement; I'm not saying it was stellar, nor better than the bar I've Obs with Crippling Sweep (i.e. the current format of the page), but it worked at fairly high levels. That trade-off of course is a matter of team composition and player skill, so I've removed it from this page - all of the bars have snares. Aonsephonie 21:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * [FA]'s dervs run a snare, but they don't use it on spikes because it's a dead giveaway (unlike Aura of Thorns, which is instant, anyway); accordingly, dervs in dedicated spike builds don't strictly need a snare – especially in HA, where movement control isn't nearly as important 90% of the time. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  22:03, 27 Apr 2011 (UTC)
 * [FA]'s dervs run a snare, but they don't use it on spikes because it's a dead giveaway (unlike Aura of Thorns, which is instant, anyway); accordingly, dervs in dedicated spike builds don't strictly need a snare – especially in HA, where movement control isn't nearly as important 90% of the time. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  22:03, 27 Apr 2011 (UTC)


 * Fleeting Stab is more common in HA than it is in GvG because the only thing that linebacks in GvG is other Earth Prayers dervishes with no KDs. I'm still yet to see death's charge, of course, that doesn't mean that it isn't played.  Especially in a spike build, though, I can't see it being used at high levels because the aftercast is waaaaaay long.  &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  22:03, 27 Apr 2011 (UTC)
 * [FA]'s bars are on my User Page. I took them into account; their build split into the way Archive:Team - GvG Dom Balanced and User:Aonsephonie/'yawn' Tri Ele Spike are played. I'm keeping tabs on the latter. Aonsephonie 22:53, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, Zealous Renewal is run on 100% of non-earth/wind WS bars, to my knowledge. &mdash;  Raine Valen  [[Image:User_Raine_R.gif|19px]]  22:07, 27 Apr 2011 (UTC)
 * It is, I believe, but a lot of other bars favor Eremite's and disregard that it possesses a casting time. I've left Fleeting on optionals. Aonsephonie 22:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Attributes
This still works fine, but 12 Mysticism IS worth it.

scy=12+1+1 win=8+1 mys=10+2 If you run Conjure you can either drop Windprayers entirely or lower mysticism, replacing crippling sweep and harrier's haste with eremite's and conjure. I personally love Rending/Staggering for instant spike-long cracked armor, but HoHF in Mysticism works well with conjure, too. 76.185.6.231 22:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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I've seen this being used with Crippling Victory, Twin Moon Sweep and Pious Fury. Grenth's Grasp and Zealous Renewal appeared to be the optionals, though I would have thought there'd have been a speed boost (maybe it was just 'cos of the Flux). Even with the nerfs I'd imagine it's still somewhat effective. Widow maker 11:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)