Archive talk:R/Rt Brutal Glass Arrows

This Build rocks :D. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 01:30, 22 May 2007 (CEST)

I really like this build, too. But i think in some situations (e.g. RA with many prott monks) it would be better to take conjure flame etc. with an elemental bow string instead of brutal weapon. -Parsley 20:33, 26 May 2007 (CEST)
 * well, but you'd lose the extra damage from the vampiric string (x2) that you could keep with brutal weapon. --Morten 17:56, 5 June 2007 (CEST)
 * Vampiric is terrible on this build, zealous is much more worthwhile than the +3 damage. Tycn 23:45, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
 * see your point but thats 5x2 = 10 vampiric dmg every double shot, not 3. worthwhile imo, but thats another topic. i'd use that. --Morten 07:24, 5 July 2007 (CEST)

I freely admit I know nothing of RA or TA, but I've been running a modified build (Lightning Reflexes and Dodge instead of Whirling Defense and Rez Sig), and it's proven quite effective. Ayumbhara 20:47, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
 * OK, I'm annoyed. Like a lot of build pages, this one seems to have been edited badly. Under the skill bar it says to put one of 2 skills in the optional slot... but the skill bar has no optional slot. Also, under Variants, there is no listed variant for AB. Would whoever created the page please resubmit the original info, or fix up the page so that it makes sense? --Joo 22:19, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Wtf runes?
Lol at runes proposed by you... -70 health and suggestion to use full radiant? Do you want a monk not notice you die lol ?

Checked and Reviewed
For Viability. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 16:38, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

PvE Value
I think this build can work even better in PvE, using the new Triple Shot. PvE General should be added to the uses.


 * I doubt that this would work too well in comparasion to a standard barrager, especially if they carry Splinter Weapon as well. Tycn 23:45, 26 June 2007 (EDT)


 * It's more focused dmg though, to take out monks, titans, enchantment removers and probably some other stuff.--Theripperfex 00:09, 26 July 2007 (CEST)

HA
I think the HA tag should be put on this. I've seen it commonly used in ranger spikes.

Glass Arrow wtf
READ THE WIND. undogable arrows and barely less damage. +punishing shot=second spike.Dark0805|Rant 05:04, 5 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Read the Wind=10 less damage, go make that build btw, it wont be very good.--Relyk 16:51, 31 October 2007 (CET)
 * i second that, the first guy has no ranger clue. lol at punishing shot too. not sure why whirling defense is put in before lightning reflexes, IAS and a faster recharge is much better than whirling, which is down for 40 sec, while LR is down for 20

Amazing
Sry for th lack of image,but have u ever tried to use it on warrrior with frenzy?? If no i only say i dealt 200 dmg with dual shot.

Forked Arrows?
Even if your team doesn't cast enchants on you, your bound to get hexed. Why not Slouth Hunter's instead? Antiarchangel 09:22, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * I agree with the hexing thing, but if you do get it off you'd get the bonus from Brutal and Glass Arrows twice, leading to lots of big bursty. damage. I'm not a big fan of ranger spiking builds though. --Hikari 15:14, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * this build looks like pwn sauce, but i agree. wts forked arrow, wtb sloth hunters. (76.123.132.25 16:18, 25 January 2008 (EST))
 * No. Forked rapes stuff, just don't get hexes(dshot them). - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  08:47, 9 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lol at "just don't get hexes(dshot them)". Considering most people bring 2 or more hexes anyway..

Better Spiking Variant?
[build prof=R/Rt expertise=11+3+1 marksmanship=10+1 communing=10][glass arrows][dual shot][triple shot][brutal weapon][point blank shot][zojun's shot][whirling defense][sunspear rebirth signet][/build] with sup vigor rune, zealous, vampiric, and ebon bows.

Or you could go R/E and put all the points from communing into fire/water/air magic and bring conjure flame/frost/lightning. I Am Jebus 17:43, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * You don't need to spike in PvE. Also, there's no elite on that bar.  Also, r-spike usually involves following up Forked/Dual with a 1/2s attack, otherwise it's too slow. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  17:45, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * sry, meant glass arrows instead of forked arrow. and u could bring Lightning Reflexes for IAS instead of whirling defense. I Am Jebus 17:47, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Two normal bow attacks is still too slow, even with IAS, so again, you'd need a 1/2s or 1s attack. Regardless, you don't need to spike in PvE. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  18:13, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Who said that this was for PvE? I intended this to be for PvP. And with IAS, PBS and ZS can do over 150 damage in a very short time; its not slow at all. I Am Jebus 18:35, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * You're using two PvE-only skills: Triple Shot and Sunspear Rebirth Signet. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 19:59, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * SRS was accident, cause i almost always use it, mean res sig. sry. Triple Shot was a stupid mistake. :) Anyway, use forked arrow instead of Triple Shot, and spiking could actually be used for bosses like Varesh, Shiro, and others if there is a good tank. I Am Jebus 20:32, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Spikes need a 1/2 activation thingie as said above tbh... [[Image:Image-Dark_Morphon's_Siggie.jpg‎]]Dark Morphon  (contribs)  03:17, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Given that most of the meta is using the 1-second shots for higher Ranger DPS or Savage/Punishing as a followup to Dual/Forked for stronger/quicker spikes, shouldn't this build be re-evaluated? --18.172.6.206 15:12, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Well, there's no ranger meta outside cripshot and magebane, and rangers aren't meant for DPS, otherwise you're probably right. Post some example bar and it can be discussed. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  18:21, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * As said, in at least RA and AB, many Rangers are playing with the buffed sundering/penetrating attack skills and power shot to kill quickly at range. None of these builds have been successfully vettd yet, but this build, as is, is no longer used widely in RA or AB because there are better options (I don't know the TA meta). If this build wants to spike, it should replace dual shot with savage shot for the extra arrow .5 seconds later (as well as an extra interrupt) rather than having to wait 2+ seconds for 2 more arrows. I've tested a lot of the 1-second shot builds and currently like the build below for its ~70 DPS. Most people would probably prefer prepared shot with read  the winds. Optional can be Dshot, Power Shot, or a stance. For AB you can swap brutal weapon and rez for conjure lightning and Storm Djinn's Haste. Either way, more arrows per second should be landing than in the above build, plus you get the bonus damage and higher marksmanship (I run 16).--18.172.6.206 20:33, 29 January 2008 (EST)

This is a completely different build based on spamming attacks. Angelic spud 23:03, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * if its a completely different build, dont put it here lol. I Am Jebus 16:37, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Its not mine :P Angelic spud 16:54, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * even so, dont post it on this page if its completely different. I Am Jebus 17:25, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * maybe its that i didnt indent my message, i didnt post it either.Angelic spud 01:03, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * so sum1 else put it there without signing and then you commented under it without indenting? I Am Jebus 09:31, 17 February 2008 (EST)

I'm not for the merge, the two builds are different : One is at a close range, not the other. Stoella 12:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)