Archive talk:Mo/any Peace and Harmony Prot

Tag for CM too? -- Gah  Eat my uber regen.  13:02, 16 January 2009 (EST)
 * how about, change the skill Gift of Health for Aura of Stability and Mend Condition for Dismiss Condition? Vashan 11:06, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Switch Dismiss for Mend and it's good. crazy cow  16:49, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Dismiss is hot tho :( Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:56, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Mend Condition, not ailment, whoops. 2s recharge, non conditional, etc, etc. D: crazy [[Image:Cow.png]]cow  17:05, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Target other ally, etc, etc. D:  17:15, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Dismiss can be used as a heal when no conditions and can self target, which helps sometimes. Just leave it as a variant, its pretty much player choice Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:16, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * ^ back when bonders in RA were popular, i used Dismiss to heal my teammates.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 17:21, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Why on earth would you ever use dismiss as a pure heal when you have gift on your bar. Mend is just req, as with the mel shot rangers poison will be flying around like a mad man, and the self-removal is gained by PnH. Dismiss can be ran on the WoH for more splittability, though, while I myself prefer dual-mend. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:22, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Interesting, me and a friend made a PaH build quite similar to this ([]) although yours seems much more active healing orientated and worked well when i tried it.  Ma bel  14:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)

No Aura of Stability, is that right? Frosty  po!  19:07, 20 January 2009 (EST)
 * Meta hexway doesn't even use a hammer, and only 1 bull's. It's not really that required in this meta. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:44, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * Good point since your specced against hexway, might as well go all out against it. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]Frosty  po!  16:25, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * Meaning you'll get rolled by anything else more easily? :S  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  16:28, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * I love how pvxwiki fails. 87.94.25.74 05:45, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * register, start contributing, stop preaching. prove your üüberness. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 05:58, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * This is an important point. Hammer is still in the meta albeit not the HEX meta. Enjoy being constantly magehunter'd and being able to do nothing about it.ComfortOsprey 15:36, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * I've seen Aura of Stability run over GoH, it was weird. Lets you spec more into divine, though. crazy [[Image:Cow.png]]cow  16:37, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * Why on earth are you complaining about aura? It always have been an optional skill(just like rof) but you'd still take it because it's superior to the alternative(gift, which you don't really needed when you have rc + woh). Either way; when facing rawrspike aura doesn't save you either(lol camp prot), and chances are like really small in facing hammers(like as in really really really small). Either way; Aura is in variants now. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:51, 22 January 2009 (EST)

wont be good
if this is new meta, wastrels worry is superomgwtfpwn after Peace and harmony is used. jsut a small little thought Whip  lash  513  12:20, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * won't WW only apply damage if it lasts its full 3 seconds?  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  12:22, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * No it will have lasted its full duration though, so the damage is still done. [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]Frosty  po!  12:23, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * LA mes metaaaa. Gringo 12:24, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * So, enchantments lasting 3(or was it 4) seconds below don't count as being applied when under MoI, but hexes lasting 3 seconds and below do count as being applied under PnH? That's pretty screwed.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  12:25, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * ur thinking mark of insecurity Gringo 12:36, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * That's what he said mate. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  12:38, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * k i scanned it too fast :< Gringo 12:39, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * The mechanics work this way: enchantments are always rounded up; unless it's under 0,5, where it just will be rounded to 0, thus don't even trigger. With hexes <0,5 it's still rounded to one. (excuse me for my bad vocab). —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:55, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * That's why it's pretty screwed.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  22:07, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Lolololololol
FRAGILITY OWNZ THIS!!!! LOLOLOLOLOOL!!@!!!1!!!1!! Ekko Ekko Ekko Ekko    19:28, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * bad troll. for the record, it removes 1 condition and then 1 hex, and alternates until 7 are gone of each or w/e. so notrly. Gringo 20:02, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * I was more talking about the 4 seconds of uberfast condition removal, which means more spike damage. Could be interesting if this really becomes uberpopular. Ekko [[Image:Echo_mending.png|19px]] Ekko Ekko Ekko    20:16, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * inorite, 19domage is liek supr hihg ppl usng dis r dum nobs nd shuld lrn gaem20:17, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * (EC)How do you get Fragility to stick in that time period?  20:18, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Back when Recurring Insecurity was borken, you could stack condis on someone, put frag and recurring on, and Fragility would blow them up (with soul barbs too) [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  20:22, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * I liked it when RI was borken.  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  20:25, 23 January 2009 (EST)

meh.
this is only really good because of MoI train tactics. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ  22:14, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * and hexfags. why did you create a section just to say something that everyone already knows though...? Gringo 22:27, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan  00:17, 24 January 2009 (EST)

No rof in prot bar?
What has the world come to? <font color="#033361">Railin 17:05, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * GoH [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  17:12, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * RoF should be main bar imo, it is still better tbh. <font color=#ff0000>Napalm Flame  >=] [[Image:Napalm_Flame_Sig_Image.JPG‎]] <font color=#0000ff>(talk)·(contributions) 17:15, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * RoF over what? <font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="darkblue">crazy [[Image:Cow.png]]<font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="orange">cow  17:16, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * GoH, you can run 13 divine that way for a slight extra heal. However, depends on whether you want healing that is dependent on being hit by say, an axe crit, but can also self target, or whether you want unconditional healing. On the other hand, you lose the redbar of RC with this build, so GoH is just purely redbar to replace that, or 'bar decompression'. <font color=#ff0000>Napalm Flame  >=] [[Image:Napalm_Flame_Sig_Image.JPG‎]] <font color=#0000ff>(talk)·(contributions) 17:18, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * The fact that GoH can't self target isn't really an issue except on splits when your WoH isn't with you. But even then you usually have Caretaker/runner. <font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="darkblue">crazy [[Image:Cow.png]]<font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="orange">cow  17:24, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * RoF is for spikes you missed the prot on. It isn't red bar. PnH can remove DW on spikes, i.e, the same effect. Also Tab says you're all bad. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  17:25, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * I can confirm that you're all bad. Including you Misery. 87.94.24.101 06:44, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I dislike Anons :< -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 07:02, 26 January 2009 (EST)

You need gift for redbarring or you're getting rolled by hexway. I pretty much like rof + gift more, but appearantly most monks prefer aura + gift. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  08:16, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Drop Mend Condition and Gift of Health for Shield of Absorption and Dismiss Condition
First of all, don’t give me that “Gift of Health pushes red bars up” thing, because dismiss gives like 20 less healing and removes a condition without splitting attributes. The only downside to running dismiss is that you need to be targeting someone with an enchantment, but you are running an aegis chain, so everyone is going to be enchanted anyway. Combine Gift and Mend with dismiss for bar compression, and bring SoA in the freed up spot. SoA is really good against gimmicky spikes like the KD + RoJ spike, or kappaspike, and works really well on spikes by reducing damage by a shit ton. Plus by dropping skills that are only “Target other ally,” you can hold your own without the need of the WoH monk next to your ass. Jonas 23:12, 31 January 2009 (EST)
 * Then mainbar it. Contrary to popular opinion, I'm somewhat reasonably busy. -- <font color="Navy">Gah [[Image:Echo mending hurray.JPG]] <font color="Black">Eat my uber regen.  20:27, 2 February 2009 (EST)
 * I have never obs a monk that brings dismiss on a PnH hybrid bar.152.226.7.213 21:10, 2 February 2009 (EST)
 * Enchanted allies usually don't need the heal as much as ones that just got rended + dw. Pluto 02:26, 3 February 2009 (EST)
 * You're running an aegis chain, yes, but in optimum conditions its up 2/3rds of the time. In not so optimum (dual ranger) its up like 1/6th of the time; so then your only enchants are gonna be on guys who have prots and they aren't gonna need healing as much as the guy dropping down from lingering + poison who would be useless enchanting. Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:44, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Also, SoA is bad in GvG, it was great in VoD but it's not good anywhere else. It might be an amazing spike catcher(it's not that amazing actually), but it's a 1sec cast so you're not going to be able to prot it before spikes. SH is lots better b/c of it's cast time, and the fact that it works immediatly. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  06:10, 5 February 2009 (EST)

EQUIP
LOOL @ URS <font color="MediumVioletRed">En<font color="OrangeRed">j <font color="OrangeRed">oy  <font color="#D70000"> phailer! 15:57, 10 February 2009 (EST)


 * wat's so special about it? -- -Ch ao s-   08:29, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * It looks like a beginner one ... <font color="MediumVioletRed">En<font color="OrangeRed">j <font color="OrangeRed">oy  [[Image:Frenzy.jpg|18px|User:Enjoy]]<font color="#D70000"> phailer! 16:19, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * That's just a listing of the meta sets if I'm not missing anything. -- -Ch ao s-   05:41, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * They are basic sets. This is PvX... - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 05:52, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * Unless you're talking about the listed template, in which case I have no idea wtf it is. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 06:10, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * The listed template's sucking like hell Didi 11:16, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Counters
Are those really counters? PnH yourself and you lose Standard anti-caster counters(Daze, Backfire, Migraine, etc.) Colonel Hawk 22:15, 14 February 2009 (EST)
 * yes, because if you kill yourself before removing backfire your still dead, and if you cant cast PnH, you cant remove it. Alpha fireborn[[Image:Alpha Fireborn Cripshot.JPG|19px]] 23:08, 14 February 2009 (EST)

GoH
I heard Patient Spirit is way better and you can even heal yourself with it. (Kiron 16:18, 16 February 2009 (EST))
 * Heck, with Dismiss Condition and Patient Spirit you could heal yourself otay. It would be embarassing if you died from health degen while the woh is down. (Kiron 16:20, 16 February 2009 (EST))
 * I heard big heals that instantly heal are better, actually. You have woh to clean the prot. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  06:19, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Patient spirit is great to use as a secondary self heal with the low cost of energy it is a great skill to use if your getting spiked and KD but its best to combine patient spirit with WoH to get full health &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peterpoho (talk &bull; contribs) 06:58, February 22, 2009 (UTC).

Archive?
PnH nerf, Aegis nerf. Needs a rewrite at best. Drag nmn   talk cont  09:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, wait like 2-3 days and see what people are running. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   09:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think archive is a little extreme, pnh itself is still viable. Obviousely the best path to take is /any --Wingsy 12:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * lose Aegis for SoA? -- 15:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * or /W or /A skills, really doesn't need to be trashed, maybe re-voted into good.Supa balla 16:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)