Archive talk:W/Me UW Whirlwind Solo

I've been playing with this build for a bit now and it seems to me that there is no need for Bonetti's. As long as you precast your Visage's, you never *need* it. So, while its nice to have if you mess something up, experienced build users could ditch it for another skill. I've been replacing it with Dismember which helps on smaller groups and to finish off the last of groups (ex. if you don't get all the graspings in one pull). Really, any skill you want could replace Bonetti's.

can somone teach me how to upload photos, i wanna show the true awsomeness of this build.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * On the bottom left of wiki pages, there's a link to Upload File. That page is pretty self-explanatory. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  00:30, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Show me a video where you cleared the graspings and every single group of smites in 9 minutes, and I will give you a thousand dollars. That is impossible, especially for using a melee based build.Matti Nuke 00:28, 18 February 2008 (EST)

This build is much faster. It instantly kills every group. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 00:44, 18 February 2008 (EST)

9 minutes Matti you can pm me when you get the money,and teh uber show me something like this one the other build.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 


 * oh and no 30second downtime + being able to take all grasps at once=win.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * Alright, it's faster than I originally thought, but, that didn't clear every single group of smites. How does it deal with Coldfires?


 * Matti, this build CAN do smite crawlers in 9 minutes because you only fight 3 groups of smites (each group consist of more than 10 smite crawlers). 9 minutes is very hard to get due to bad spawns sometimes. Though it is possible to do it in 9 minutes. Arthas 01:31, 18 February 2008 (EST)


 * Done it in 8 minutes acctually. --Arthas 12:00, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Look at the variants. - (ză'hîr ăl nĕphīlī) [snō hwīt tăn]  01:32, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * didn't notice that, that build is bad this is good.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * Eh, that build should probably WELL'd when this one gets vetted. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 02:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

What program did you use to record the video? Looks like a nice build I'll try it out. Natsopaani 01:53, 18 February 2008 (EST)

vampiric weapon = win here?
 * Watch the video, Zealous is pretty much needed. Rickyvantof 07:40, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Vampiric with channeling is a better combo than zealous with lion's comfortGrynn Jorr 14:27, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

What with all the italics? ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡ ͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡  I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l  ̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡* 09:33, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * I don't know. Wiki links would've been more useful. Rickyvantof 09:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Stalking Aatxe
When i try this build and i aggro the left group (any of both) AN AATXE ALWAYS FOLLOWS ME and no matter how far i ran(i mean where the soul-like npcs are), It never let me alone and i always get killed by the same aatxe. i have lost like 15k by that aaxte... Ive tryed other UW farming builds and ive never seen this before, does someone knows how to prevent this? --Kenno Arkkan 20:54, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Did you use sprint when aggroing?Riff 03:51, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

yep, i do, and i still get caught by him--Kenno Arkkan 16:49, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Do you hit R, sprint, aggro grasp, X then stop at far side?Riff 17:37, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

em, i start, take the quest (with sprint on) wait for the right grasp group, aggro them, then run to the left team, whichever is nearer, OR i take quest (with sprint) and aggro left first, the result is the same, i get caught by that aaxte.--Kenno Arkkan 18:07, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Whats ur IGN?Riff 20:09, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

its Lively Motion, or Zanbonbaso Famsa, this last one is my warrior, anyways ill keep trying :( of like 7 tries, i only got one to pass from the graspings thanks to that aatxe... look, i sometimes get this kind of "save spot" and kill the graspings there to then continue running, but its very hard to happen and uses like 4 or 5 minutes just for that part, so it sucks --Kenno Arkkan 19:05, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * try pulling the grasps past the circle in the middle.

Dying Nightmares
I've used this build many times but i find that every time a dying nightmare pops up, it strips my visages and i end up dead. When i'm trying to kill the graspings usually a nighmare pops up and kills me or the aataxes keep following me... it's very frustrating.
 * Did you try popping them before taking the quest? I had the same problem with UW builds that rely on enchants.Riff 23:54, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Healing?
I don't farm smites much, but how in your video do you not really get hurt? Your 75% block ends when you use a skill, and looks like it is only a form on e-management, not protection. Justing6 15:30, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Getting 0 damage / hit > healing, imo. You can get it by PR + -2/stanced shield + ascalon/knight's equipment(full of that is a must). You get like 1 damage once every 50 hits, but they'll be dead generally before you even get below 50%(or you suck and attack trough SoJ, or can't keep up AV/SV). —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  15:51, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm getting 0 OR 3, not 1. And I have stance shield, warding axe (enchanting is not needed, you have a 2-3 seconds room to renew enchantments) knight's full equipment and superior rune of absortion (yeah, no -2/-2 uber shield) and its easy to take 3-4 groups without getting a half of the red bar down --Rayd 12:05, 22 February 2008 (EST)

excellent build,few Q's though
well tested this and i gotta say it works excellent,havent hit 9 min yet but i got a 10 min run :P, just was wondering a few things,like how u pull all the graspings at the beginning in one shot?(ive tried,but usually an ataxes wont break aggro)how to take only 1 dmg a hit every 50 hits like u said?(i take 3 dmg hits every 10 hits,with all equipment)and the drop rate? as sometimes ive killed mobs of 20 smites in one and got 100gp only :/, while other times i killed 3 smites and each drops an ecto XD.otherwise like i said,kick ass build,nice job man.


 * for grasps pull the group on the left(closest to ice wastes) wait for your IMS to recharge and you can pull both groups on the right with good timing, the person in the video has a -2/-2 shield, that has alot to do with it.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * I pull the group on the right first, about 8 seconds after they come up near the steps... turn, hit sprint, go up the left steps (along one edge) just as the other two groups are joining up there... U-turn with aggro, go down the other edge of stairs, circle the platform once to break aatxe aggro, and kill them all.Grynn Jorr 14:27, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

where do you get a -2/-2 shield?
 * Beta testing, they don't drop anymore and are pretty pricy.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 

Sword/Axe
Pole time; tell which is more effective at ecto dropping (not quickness)

Other
It's not a matter of opinion; either there is a difference between the two or there isn't. Current understanding of GW would say that using a sword is better because of a greater variability in time of death. -- Mafaraxas 23:24, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * :O you hax the poles.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 

nice build. can it farm []? The Assassin Of Fuz 10:31, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * IDK,im too lazy to find out ATM, its an ugly skin anyways :(.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * True, but the stats are rather good. --Arthas 04:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Can someone add a video for the variant? I wanna know how it works. The Assassin Of Fuz 20:56, 24 February 2008 (EST)

i think that you should wand it ¤ Abada badoo ¤ 20:44, 3 March 2008 (EST)

NOO=(
aw crap this build got on pvxwiki=( ITS SUPER GOOD!! ive been using it for a while but now that its on pvx it will become so popular that anet will nerf it. hope that they dont=)
 * a-net only nerfs stuff for HA/GvG.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic
 * Spirit Bond nerf. Yeah, it was a long time ago, but w/e. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  01:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * Spirit Bond made all other farming builds redundant so needed a nerf. This doesn't do that so doesn't need a nerf. [[image:klumpeetsignature.jpg|19px]] Klumpeet  .talk .cont . 12:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * Spirit bond is used excessively in pvp as a spike catcher but yeah they were probably aiming to stop excessive farmers.[[Image:ExtremeSigPic.jpg|19px]] Extreme (contribs) 16:33, 27 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Sup adding nightmare to uw nerf ¤[[Image:User_Abadabadoo_sig.jpg|20px]] Abada badoo ¤ 19:15, 3 March 2008 (EST)

This is gonna get a big hit from the nerf hammer. Really fast. Ojamo 21:23, 3 March 2008 (EST)

nah, its crap, no Mending on a war = fail, trust me. :P -- g r g r g r   18:46, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * you sir are a madman Chrisdawg 18:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Channeling?
would it be better than bonetti's? doesn't need to change stats either Riff 03:14, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
 * not in any way possible.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] <font color="Black">aesthetic
 * you dont need it,balthazars isnt used for energy its for blocking against graspings. if you pull right you have more then enough e-management.Quackerz0 15:00, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
 * It actually works better with channeling assuming you pull big groups. Eliminates zealous mod, so using vampiric kills faster AND heals, therefore no need for lion's comfort. Even with smaller groups it is about the same.Grynn Jorr 14:27, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Two Runes of Superior Absorption??
Armor : * Full Knight's Insignias. * Two Rune of Superior Absorption. * A Rune of Superior Vigor and a Rune of Vitae

This is the armor equipment listed for the bottom variant. Why two runes of superior absorption? They don't stack and its global.--158.121.88.71 13:31, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
 * No idea, fixed. --71.229 13:33, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

I like the new build with echo instead of triple chop. I don't die now like i used too... and i got an ecto and saphire in one group. I wanted to ask, why is axe at 13 if you don't use axe attacks? And i use dolyak's instead of lion's comfort. The Assassin Of Fuz 21:36, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Higher weapon mastery = more damage. Also, why Dolyaks? Armor doesn't stack...Matti Nuke 22:27, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

oops. forgot armor didn't stack...The Assassin Of Fuz 17:17, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Ok now.
What MORON decided to put 14 axe mastery on a build without ANY axe mastery skills? Drop it to 9 or 10, and put the rest in Strength/Tactics. No point in having Bonetti's Defense without anything in tactics. Unless you only need to use it once to get up one of the Visages. ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡ ͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡ I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l  ̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡*  16:59, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Dude...your axe is the main source of damage...  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 17:01, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You can use a sword... Your only attack is a melee attack, in fact, it's actually best to run this with a hammer.. :P <font color="#011000">IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  22:06, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Variants
That variant with Dolyak Signet should be removed. Its clearly inferior to the main build and even the sword build aswell. You take to much damage and got no protection against the Graspings interrupt. Also the -5/20% shield reduce less damage than a -2/stance shield would do (just do the math, -5/20% shield reduce 100 damage over 100 hits (5 x 20 = 100), while the -2/stance shield reduce 200 damage over 100 hits (= -2 on every hit = 2 x 100 = 200)). Since you can't max the amount of smite crawlers you can tank using this build, you might end up with energy problems since its a lot more energy intensive to spam 2 energy attack skills+Visages than to spam Whirlwind.

We could throw in as many working variants as we would like to do, however it would be unnecessary if they are all inferior to another build. Keep the Sword variant since all players might not have an Axe/prefer sword and vice versa. --Arthas 07:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

except that you aren't in a stance in this build, so a stance shield isn't going to help you except for the 1 second you have bonetti's up. a -2 while Enchanted might be worthwhile though, as you're going to have your visages up all the time.141.152.221.162 14:49, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Physical resistance IS a stance 85.98.133.171 12:02, 14 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Hundred Blades variant needs to be removed. You don't get more drops.

Smites
Is there any video of the new build anywhere with the echo? I can't figure what I'm doing wrong with the smites, they kill me in seconds with PR up. I just cant get enough adrenaline started to keep the visages up.85.98.133.171 12:09, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Note on the HB Variant
It's been proven that killing them all at the same time doesn't decrease your drops, hasn't it?
 * Read the posts above you mr. no siggy (yes people see a link) --24.47.41.80 10:49, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

W/Me UW Whirlwind Solo
Ive tried this over and over, I have all the equipment, every skill, every attribute, and it doesnt work, Ive watched the video 4 times, read the guide over 10 times, this build sucks ass &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by ColossusDragonbane (contribs).
 * ur doing it wrong! Also, please sign your comments. — şąɀɀƴ  ƿooɧ [[Image:PinkNautical.jpg]] 15:46, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yep you are doing it wrong because it works for me :) T1Cybernetic 15:53, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Hundred Blades Update
Cool! ~25 damage to everyone adjacent every time you attack? The variant is actually WORTH something! <font color="Green">Ekko <font color="LightBlue"> Starr!  14:49, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 * plus when u slash with whirlwind u deal 25*number_of_foes+whirlwind_damage to every foe 85.207.119.245 13:06, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Hammer?
If you used a hammer, wouldn't the dps be much higher? you can't quite spam whirlwind cos of the recharge neway, so why not?
 * Hammers attack much much slower. So no the dps would not be much higher. -- D r  a  h   22:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible in HM
? Might be worth stating in article aswell 88.106.58.253 16:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * same ectos, not worth it.--<FONT COLOR="#347235">|[[Image:Hipowi_sig.jpg]] Hipowi  pew pew pew </FONT> 19:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Is 12+1+1 Axe mastery necassary?
If i have a req9 axe wont i only need 9 in axe mastery in order to max out damage, because there arent any axe skills to boost up.Sane dude 03:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes and no, Weapons mastery still increases the base dmg of each attack although it suffers pretty heavy diminishing returns after rank 12 so if you want to try running at lower (i suggest 12 is the min you would want though) and pushing more str or whatever then it shouldnt hurt your dmg by all that much ~7% less damage overal, see http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Damage_calculation

Skeletons...
Still possible with Skeletons?
 * I tried about 5 runs earlier and got killed along the way by the little buggers :( Although i am tired i think it is going to take some skill and a little luck some days to get there, they are a pain in the ass! T1Cybernetic 20:01, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Every time I've tried farming with a war that only had lion's comfort for heal, they tended to get killed by the skeles. I think this could be done, but there'd have to be some rework of the build.  I'm thinking if we took axe down to 10+1+1, pumped the points into inspiration, and switched out ether feast for Bonetti's it could be done.  it would take a little more skill, and you'd need to take something like a high energy staff to switch to if you got low instead of counting on Bonetti's, but I think it could be done.  Brow0081 22:40, November 25, 2009 (UTC)