Build talk:Team - SoO Snoway

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Possible Ranger/Assassin?
12+1 Expertise | 12 Shadow Arts | 3 Deadly Arts

With Whirling Defense or some other dodge stance? It seems like it should work, and they'd be more durable against After Shock and other elemental spikes. Just a thought.--DBU YepWarrior 03:27, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

RoJ Variant
We should get the build up that people run as RoJ here (you can change 1-2x snow for rojs. from memory..

Think its something like Healing Breeze or some other regen skill, possibly Arcane Mimicry, + else idk. Chieftain  Alex  14:30, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Won't they get destroyed without spell protection? I can see it working for a single spike, but at Fendi? Dzjudz sig.png talk 14:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * They don't sit with the assassins :) In the one run I did with 2 ROJs, all the spikes were incredibly quick. Fendi dies in two occurances of soul. (at the end you pull fendi to a north rock formation, instead of usual west rock formation + then the Mesmers stand where you'd normally kill fendi + cast RoJ on bodyblocked fendi. They space their casts out enough that Fendi doesn't use skills on them.) [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  14:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Some RoJ's are running Protective Spirit + Healing Breeze + arcane mimicry + auspicious incantation. Mesmers like to have Echo instead of RoJ,cause they can echo ebon escape which really helps them in running part of dungeon. 31.187.1.70 11:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Arcane echo EE:). RoJ is just a req. 82.161.39.143 16:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * SH Elementalist with Honor ofcourse? Sjan talk  14:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That isn't holy damage :p [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  14:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Still it is good damage i think. Sjan talk  15:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * is typically what I run as roj, works great when I can get the AP to wait... Shock is a nightmare when you're left alone.--DBU YepWarrior 03:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The RoJ build should be fully added to the article, imo. I haven't seen a single run without it in 80-100 runs total, and sometimes there's two. This goes at the expense of a Snowstorm, obviously. Pastafarian Hunter 23:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The RoJ build should be fully added to the article, imo. I haven't seen a single run without it in 80-100 runs total, and sometimes there's two. This goes at the expense of a Snowstorm, obviously. Pastafarian Hunter 23:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Mes & Nec
Mesmer RoJ can be used too with fast casting. Necro orders support too. Mesmer RoJ is basicly the same, but you can invest some in fast casting.

Sjan talk  09:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No perma DE on a squishie is kinda pushing your luck.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  Mission control out.  10:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's used and it does work tbh. Sjan talk  10:06, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added the N/P and Roj build to the "Supporter" category. Its obvious that Mes can also go as RoJ so I dont think its neccessary to add an extra template. Greetings, Ori 139.174.193.93 14:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Dropping your survivability for some res seems like a wasted slot. Taking another sin would be more efficient.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  07:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

A/Me Variants
Why using Epidemic to spam deep wound and no do damage? a variant build with Chaos Storm i think is more helpful, because inflict damage and e-denial to Fendi and so she don't cast his skill. An example:

Set Domination Magic at 12, the damage is 21 and 2point energy loss. In another variant, can be replace Epidemic with Shadow Refuge to heal itself in critical situation. alex 95.234.15.224 16:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC) Ok then.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  23:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm these are both bad ideas.... perma deep wound is better than the above kthx --  PermaSwag    17:09, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "so she don't cast his skill..."
 * and then fendi don't cast Chilblains to remove SF. another question pls, why use snowstorm? a fire skill don't work? alex 16:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Snowstorm is spammable and doesn't require a secondary profession. Your grammar makes it nigh impossible to discern what you're trying to convey.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  16:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Tbh run the bars that are on the build page they work fine... Also oh my that grammar :'D --  PermaSwag    18:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Impressing noobs with your vocabulary won't affect how right you are, Rask. But yeah, you are right, fire magic sucks and is energy heavy. Besides, there's nothing in the A/Me bar that can be changed to make it more effective. GG, Alex. Pastafarian Hunter 23:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

A/N build
In my experience Mark of Fury is redundant for the A/N. The snowstorms benefit from it only for their Mystic Sandstorm, which has a recharge of ~6 seconds taking BU into account, which means that the A/N will probably use MoF while MS is recharging. Cracked Armor doesn't do anything since SF will cap damage... So it's really a waste of a skill slot, especially in the mainbar, and a waste of several attribute points that could be better used by setting Curses to 12.

Mark of Pain makes for faster cleanups during mobfights and the bossfight. Shadow Sanctuary can be swapped for another utility/heal skill (or of course Snowstorm) but should improve the survivability of the A/N while running, which seems vital in most pugs. Comments? Pastafarian Hunter 23:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Meta

 * - This is the current meta I see running, and it yields the fastest runs! :) Sir John Bubblestone 05:13, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What does it replace? --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  05:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * you replace a couple of snows only--Bad 13:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice try Jon. But i don't see any Prot Bond beeing used during runs... nor have i ever seen restful breeze..What i do see daily is this.
 * Restful Breeze is pointless as it ends as soon as you use a skill or attack, which is pretty much all the time. Prot bond? how are you gonna maintain energy? You'll lose it soo fast. Or do you cast Prot bond on each other and self to split energy cost? otherwise I rather use that energy to echo ee and jump jump jump.You're bar is right out of your sandbox, so i wonder how many times you've actually seen this particular roj build.. the N/P build however is solid.. see it all the time. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  09:18, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to be rude sunny, but you claim to do every SC multiple times a day and there are only so many hours in a day. Maybe you should relax and stop being so aggressive to people trying to improve the wiki.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  09:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, there are more pps that sc on a daily basis. No need to be rude --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  10:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm quite convinced something similar to the bar sunny posted is the meta roj, and you see at least one in every run... but I don't think the necro is pug meta yet. (one roj should take LoD instead of rebirth though.) <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex  14:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say lod in place of hex breaker..keep rebirth--E.Snow 16:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, there are more pps that sc on a daily basis. No need to be rude --  Shadow  Talk with me :D  10:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm quite convinced something similar to the bar sunny posted is the meta roj, and you see at least one in every run... but I don't think the necro is pug meta yet. (one roj should take LoD instead of rebirth though.) <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex  14:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say lod in place of hex breaker..keep rebirth--E.Snow 16:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd prefer if they dropped Prot Spirit, it's really not that helpful since you should be running survivor and fortitude insignia/mods making your health 600+ meaning prot spirit will still damage 60 health a hit anyway, Hex breaker atleast stops some vital hexes IE, Frustration..

This is what i run, it's more fun, I prefer Patient spirit since its a small heal to counter Death Nova rapes, and since people suck at EE'ing during balling, it helps. Optional is usually Hex Breaker or Castigation Signet Bad 16:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sunny, Prot bond, works perfectly fine cause as a Mo or a Me you are trying to avoide as much damage as possible and when you do get hit you take very little, along with restful breeze, the only skills you will be using are hex breaker and EE constantly, Restful breeze is used as panic button healing, and if you haven't seen this build ran, clearly you don't do enough speed clears. ;D Sir John Bubblestone 15:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You really do not need that much prots anyway, chaos storm as optional is ran too. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 10:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Ranger Added to Bottom Beside Orders
The growing number of Prepared shot R/D Rangers has proven it is widely accepted as a meta build here with the single shot incredibly damage it does. Would it not be appropriate to add the build down at the bottom with the Necro build.Helidof 04:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * build? <font color="#62686C">Sjan 14:59, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Something on the lines of this. Not entirely sure on attributes with runes and Insignias
 * 12 marksmanship 10 expertise 8 wilderness without runes
 * Also, +20 Deathbane string helps (vs undead) and having optionals on the RoJ such as Judge's Insight and Great Dwarf Weapon makes the spike even better Bad 14:53, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I encountered something similar today;


 * The wanker made me bring GDW - he indicated there was another build for without gdw. (probably the above one). I wouldn't add it to the main page until we get more reports of these builds. <font face="Constantia" color=#D2691E>Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx  19:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I played alot with the "creator" of this Build and may give a few hints he gave me. First the Attributes: 12+3+1 Marksmanship, 10+1 Expertise and 8+1 Wilderness Survival (sq=24 secs, 1 second less than a Soul appearance). Generally u use a customized Zealous Hornbow of Deathbane with 15^50 (=+55% dmg) and you should also have a Flatbow with the same Mods.
 * Before Fendi the Ranger prioritizes on those enemies which are not balled to the mob, better sayd the A/P should not waste time on trieing to make perfect balls out of them, cause the Ranger -should- be able to spike these down in seconds; faster than the "main ball" gets spiked (2 enemies won't be a big deal). At Zombie groups with a priest however u have to pay attention that the priest will SoD (Shield of Deflection) the enemy quickly if u spike them to fast - so u either wait for the RoJ to begin his Spike, or u choose one target in the ball first and hit him like two times, so the priest will SoD him. If your target gets SoD you're mostly useless for 10 seconds against this one. The A/P should also not spear outstanding targets to force them to ball, cause he will also get SoD then usually.
 * At the Brig on lvl2 the ranger should go in the corner behind the usually first lit brazier, cause jumping in with the others will usually get u weakened or hit by Blinding Surge so u're in the worsest case completely useless. At this point you should also use your Flatbow to prevent getting attacked by the Brig.
 * At Fendis you should first spike away archers which would be between you and fendis, else u may catch aggro by them and get blinded by Throw Dirt (use Flatbow first). Dont use sq at Fendis, but when the first Soul Apearance pops so u can spike it best. We also made a little video of the Fendi battle few weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olHTShRD0ZQ ...its not meant to be a guide or anything tho, just a demonstration of the Ranger spike.
 * If u have a well RoJ (:>) u can also like alrdy sayd let him Judges you, and you bring Honor for yourself instead of Holy Flame (however dont do this if u cant trust the RoJ. if he cant maintain Judges on you for some reason, you're mostly completely useless). Heres our usual teamup when we go RoJ+Ranger, if u dont get a Snow to bring LoD (PuGs are awful..), replace Air of Sup if u really want to have it:


 * PS: i just saw the other Ranger bar which got edited in just when i wanted to post. All i can say is thats its way less effective from my own experience, but everyone has to try this on his own to verify whats more effective. --Svardi 20:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol spamming 100-342 arrow attacks :> awesome. <font face="Constantia" color=#D2691E>Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx  20:12, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * we got even quite higher hits, but no screenshots. We also got 5:37 lvl3 using this Backline (+OotV) ...OotV casted GDW, RoJ brought Honor and Ranger Favorable Winds ...But favorable Winds can go horribly wrong cause of the Archers being pro with Disrupting Shot. And yea that screen is odd, someone dropped SF. Still a nice Hit. --Svardi 10:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Question, why not drop the RoJ and take two rangers. Drop IAtS off the bar for GDW on both of them. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 20:21, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Energy is pretty tight even on the prepared shot build, I doubt they'd have the energy for GDW. RoJ also serves the purpose of removing the rangers/rits quicker to avoid niggering all the assassins. <font face="Constantia" color=#D2691E>Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx  20:23, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Energy is no issue if u spike correct. Always have the Prep+Holy up, Spam 1, 2, 3, 2, 3; 1, 2, 3, 2, 3 (...). We often run with 2 Rangers and 1 OotV, rest Sins (doesnt help the rangers tho, cause of Holy Dmg). So GDW on Rangers is well, but we make the OotV bring it. The Archers at fendi are usually done with 3 hits, so no real issue; and Fendi is weak against the rangers anyways. I also wonder about the A/N bar posted here. Dark Escape is imo not a very smart choice, since Brutes end that Stance using Forceful Blow; if he brings Unseen+Shadow Sanctuary he can also cover the Tank incase of bad happenings. MoP/BB should be replaced with Weaken Armor and go Attributes full on Shadow Arts/Curses, since -20 Armor on Fendi/Soul supports the Spike alot. Incase he does this he should take note that Hexes/Conditions only last half time on Fendi, so he has to kinda spam Weaken on recharge. Btw if u know the A/P make him pull Brig on lvl2 for rangers only (out of Ranger range), they can beat him quick using Flatbow and people can grab lods already. Think thats it for now.. anyone for DashWay being posted? we got 5:37 using it on lvl3, its no Build being successfully used by PuGs tho, but imo way funnier than the generic meta. --Svardi 10:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

2 derv
SoO Snoway Dervishes.


 * Don't maintain VoS while running.
 * EE like monks, rangers & necs.
 * Use TMS only if VoS is recharged and to remove it.

thoughts?.. I like pizza's. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 12:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC) 1 derv with RoJ: :

1 derv with ranger: :

<font color="#62686C">Sjan 14:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Last edits
Since there is no actual meta in gw anymore, I'd like to propose we keep the setup that was used when gw was last busy. i.e. revert the removal of the A/Me, keep weaken armor in variants - there is no fucking r/d on the main build, its just a variant - and nobody else gains from it due to sf cap. Afaik pug A/ps don't run perma-dash in scs either. Plus recall should be mainbar on A/N for easy level 2 backwards pull. Also theres a bunch of defunct broken videos added. <font face="Constantia" color=#D2691E>Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx 20:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But you must admit,what a wonderful recent changes spam. I almost feel like in good old days when more of you guys were around and drama'ing on the talk pages.. Ah good old times :) Triss 11:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Theres not enough folk left to get anything vetted or trashed... even a second wind ele with domination skills :P -- <font face="Constantia" color=#D2691E>Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx 15:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * We still have a couple people lurking around, just no one who cares enough to actually do anything.-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  01:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Even Rask stopped trolling. World is truly going to end :(. Triss 12:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Suck my dick assblasters. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 15:22, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Good Dervish Damage: : Mysticism =6+1+1 Shadow Arts =11 Daggar Mastery =12 This build with good support like Strength of Honor, Great Dwarf Weapon, judge's Insight can do way more damage than al dervish builds I have see here above. you don`t need signet of mystic speed to keep up VoS or SoD, just be quick casting it when VoS is down...if you notice you receive al damage and that Fendie or soul of Fendie is focusing on you (and maybe have some lag) just step away from the rest of the team to cast it. Anyhow by time you have to recast SoD, Soul of fendie shud be (almost) death. If not, something is wrong (like what happens in most teams that I see lately~). Really only a few people in game seem to use a Flatbow of deathbane and the Glass arrows build~ or being able to run with the Dagger Dervish build (without using VoS during running~). Or Monk/RT/Me supporters that bring superior rune headpieces for spike, and some shield set and minor rune headpiece to switch to when running. How to use Ebon Escape in a smarter way so they not get stuck or can't keep up~. Most annoying is people that show of there Obsidian armor, expensive miniatures, Chaos gloves and just are to fucking cheap ass to use some P/Cons to make the run real fast and smooth going~ even when the party leader is giving away free cons. With cheap pricks like that in your team you will never kill Soul of Fendie in 1 spawn, witch is to me the most worse anti climax from the run~ 3 people in the team that bring LoD~ (have see that happen many time)its fucking sad. It really seem that's the only thing they care for. If the run is a total fail and takes a total time of 45 minutes~ Its no problem as long they have there treasures...even if you could have done 3 runs in the same amount of time and still can have your treasures.--likepax (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)