Archive talk:Me/E FC Snarer

Discuss. Amorality 16:00, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * PRetty much pointless, grasping + foes is more than enough snare--Goldenstar 16:24, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tell that to the new derv meta. Amorality 16:50, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

It's not worth it, the most teams bring AoS which makes Trident redundant. God box   06:08, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * AoS has a recharge of 12 secs which means that you can out-KD through the use of switching targets with the short recharge time of WT. Also, this allows your warr to KD an unsuspecting person if another target has been protted with AoS. Hopefully that makes sense. Amorality 06:20, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Moved up into testing to get more feedback, anymore variants/skill changes I can put in? Amorality 07:48, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Personally i'd use GoLE instead of AI. Rupert = Hawt [[Image:Rupert_bear_sig.jpg|19px]]12:06 {GMT} 8-06-MMVIII
 * But it has teh epic synergiez!eleven!1 I'll put it into variants.Amorality 08:43, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Water trident is far worse than other ice elites, ice spikes is far worse than other water snares, no runes is not worth FC, drain > inspired. In otherwords just run a ice ele with icy schakles or SS as it will be way way way better than this.I Heal If U Shutup 15:33, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * KD spam iz gud. I put in freezing gust instead and shard storm into variants and put in drain enchantment instead of revealed. Happy naow? Amorality 16:12, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's like a  super  fast bull's strike! --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 11:06, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No im not happy because if you were an ele your snares would last a lot longer, hit harder, and be more effective. You would also have more energy and get more back from a higher speced attunement. As it is the FC is wasted on every single skill except for deep freeze which isn't even run often in GvG. If you were an ele you could use a better elite like icy schakles or shatterstone as well. So this bar basically sucks in comparison to a normal water ele.I Heal If U Shutup 15:32, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't waste a slot just to be gay. :/ --Readem 15:36, 9 June 2008 (EDT)


 * K all your points are bad pz out &mdash;  Skakid  15:52, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok how bout this, IS ele does this bars job 100x better, because of that this is worthless. Is that more clear?I Heal If U Shutup 01:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 1 sec DF :D hard to c that coming. 2 bad water magic is bad w/o an ele. FC is pretty extraneous.--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  11:47, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * NO IT'S NOT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND TEH PRO BUILD!!!1!! Ok @ I heal you: Water magic isn't really about damage as it's more about utility (snaring etc) so your point is moot. You won't get more back from specced attunement, water attunement is 30% + 1 energy a higher spec means it lasts longer. The recharge on the snares are fine. FC isn't wasted it makes water trident that little bit more viable among the water elites. Also, who needs 70 energy when you have max energy every 25 seconds? Like Skakid said your points show that you haven't given much thought. But if the rest of the PvX community say it won't work then fine. Stick a WELL tag on it or something. Amorality 12:13, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * In responce to this "Water magic isn't really about damage as it's more about utility (snaring etc)" Yes watermagic is about snaring, freezing gust and blurred will both last much longer on an ele primary. "FC isn't wasted it makes water trident that little bit more viable among the water elites" It still isn't viable enough IMO everyone runs AoS, and a kd from water trident is what 1-2 second snare. IS is an 11 second snare that is unconditional, it doesn't care if they are running or if they have AoS on them. I know it's mean to be blunt but i just don't think the bar is anywhere near as good as a normal IS ice ele, it isn't a bad idea it just doesn't deliver as much as a normal ice ele.I Heal If U Shutup 00:55, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The point is that you can spam a 2 second snare/KD every 3 seconds (every 1.5 seconds once the 40/40 kicks in) you can have complete control over someones movement, you can dictate whether they want to be KD'd or stand still waiting for your warr to rip them apart, which virtually removes any downside of the long'ish cast time that a normal ele has to contend with for every spell. But perhaps you're right it's a good idea but flawed in practice. Ok whatever it's bad. Amorality 09:41, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Skills of mention
Discuss. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 13:30, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 1) Aura of Stability is common
 * 2) Glyph of Lesser Energy is good
 * Glyph is unneeded, you have auspicious which is pretty equal to it. You have plenty of e-mangment on this bar, unless you like to spam things at recharge. Aura might be common; but that doesn't say WT isn't good. With FC it's still better then a pure shackles snare bar, since it works like a Bull's Strike. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  13:39, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Water Trident makes it a bitch for your warriors to quarterknock. Just want to get that out there. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:41, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Aura with it's current 66% uptime isn't going to stop a Trident bar from being effective. As best, it's going to stop the single frontliners HAers like to run from being likebacked, but you can still snare them and KD other targets. And in a reasonably coordinated team, qknocking shouldn't be an issue. Good wars will be able to chain their KDs after Trident's if needed. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  13:43, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't see this being run in halls much. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:45, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Probably not. A pure snare bar is still pretty bad, but it's not trash. That's why I voted it as borderline acceptable. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  13:46, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Also; people in HA don't Q-lock. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  10:07, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

WTF
Is this build's creator high? I couldn't make a worse FC snare if i tried. ~Shard 07:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an archived build :/ -- Frosty  Mc Admin  08:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)