Archive talk:Mo/N Melee Damage Support

Please offer suggestions. I know the build is very clunky right now and could use major work, oh and the SoJ isn't exactly my favorite, very willing to change it. Zulu Inuoe 04:31, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Why not use Orders? - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   04:47, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Orders is Blood Magic EDIT= After thinking about it, it makes more sense to use Blood Magic rather than Curses and use Orders instead of Barbs, changing build accordingly. Zulu Inuoe 07:01, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

A possible Mo/N SoH+Orders bar could be. Veil could be replaced with Deny Hexes, and Blood Ritual with Convert Hexes or something... --Edru viransu //QQ about me 07:07, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * I was thinking something like that but how are your attributes split? Are you getting enough of a boost from SoH and Orders? Oh and I was thinking of going Order of Pain rather than Vampire and using Elite for Peace and Harmony. Zulu Inuoe 07:18, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * I'd advise you not to use PnH. &mdash; RAWR! [[Image:Skasig.jpg|19px]] Skakid9090 07:22, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Why not? Please excuse my imputence.Zulu Inuoe 07:25, 30 July 2007 (CEST) Forgot to Sign
 * lol don't insult yourself... its a pretty bad elite. +1 regen for your elite slot really isn't worth it. you could use like... signet of judgement or something for free knockdown and damage on demand. &mdash; RAWR! [[Image:Skasig.jpg|19px]] Skakid9090 07:26, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Yes I know it's pretty bad, but when in a GvG it can easily turn into +3 energy regen. Which may not seem like much but in the long run could be helpful. Zulu Inuoe 07:28, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

The attributes would be like 11 blood, 10+1+1 smiting, 8+1 prot, 6+1 divine, maybe. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 07:30, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * I like. Except I don't like the OoV or BR. I just feel that making it Life Stealing rather than damage isn't really worth an elite. And Id on't think it would have the energy to use Draw Conditions much. Though the Aegis works nicely in there. Zulu Inuoe 07:35, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * OotV is cheaper. That's why I'd use it. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 07:38, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * You know, almost two years of playing and I never realized that? Okay, let's see. I came up with this before I read your comment but now that I saw your comment I'm liking yours more. Zulu Inuoe 07:46, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
 * OotV only got buffed to 5e a month or two ago. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 07:52, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

For GvG, at least, Dark Fury would be better than Mark of Fury. I'd probably run Signet of Removal or some kind of energy management elite, though, if not using OotV. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 20:43, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

What are your thoughts on Scourge Enchantment/Healing, do you think it's worth putting in the build? I left an Optional slot with that in mind. Zulu Inuoe 06:04, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * No, not good. Too conditional, and pricey for what they do. Maybe something like this?

- Krowman    06:50, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I like Krowman's with DF and BiP. Readem (talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 06:56, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Orders and Judge's contradict each other. <font color="#336666">Skakid9090 07:15, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Ah yeah. No longer physical damage. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   07:18, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * i made the same mistake today, put JI on a conjure derv =P <font color="#336666">Skakid9090 07:20, 3 August 2007 (CEST)

N/Mo for Soul Reaping.  —ǥȓɩηɔɧ 〚₮/ḉ〛 08:12, 3 August 2007 (CEST)
 * N/Mo means no blessed sig. :/ --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me 14:16, 3 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Think Heroway.  —ǥȓɩηɔɧ 〚₮/ḉ〛 17:45, 3 August 2007 (CEST)

I noticed nobody cares for Dark Fury/Mark of Fury, understandable to remove it as I kept it there for consistency's sake. Personaly I don't like Blood Ritual, not only is its two second cast time asking for an interrupt, it's painful (Sacrifice) and has horrible touch range. Personaly I don't see the Energy cost, Sacrifice, Cast time, Sacrifice cost worth it. And oi, who changed me build name? I wanted BnG to be a household name someday =( Zulu Inuoe 00:56, 5 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Dark Fury iz gud. More attack skill use = good. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me 00:59, 5 August 2007 (CEST)

BUMP Zulu Inuoe 01:20, 6 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Mirror of Disenchantment doesn't really hurt this build, unless it hits SoH, which isn't likely since usually you'll have one or both of your orders up at most times. Until dual mirrors become popular, Mirror's not going to be much of a counter to this. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me 01:26, 6 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I know what you mean, it wasn't me who changed the name of the build and added that little bit, some evil person did it. Oh but Mirror does reduce the effectiveness, but yeah, it's nothing too big. As the build stands now (The one in the actual article) would anyone give me advice on the Optional slot I have on there? I'm so undecided. Zulu Inuoe 01:51, 6 August 2007 (CEST)


 * i changed the name. Mo/N BnG violates PW:NAME since it doesnt describe what the build does. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090 (contribs). 02:00, 6 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Blood ritual, draw, deny hexes/holy veil, maybe guardian or some other prot, maybe strip enchantment or other enchant removal. That's all that comes to mind immediately. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me 02:20, 6 August 2007 (CEST)

Okay, as it is, does anyone think it would go through the testing phase of the vetting system in one piece? Zulu Inuoe 05:21, 6 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Needs a bit more detailed usage. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me 05:27, 6 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Is it alright now? I can't think of anything else to add, if you can, by all means go ahead. Oh and sorry Skakid about saying you're evil, I'm still used to the old Guild Wiki days where you could name it whatever you wanted and have fun. =( Zulu Inuoe 06:49, 6 August 2007 (CEST)

BUMP! How can I let this build enter testing? Zulu Inuoe 06:31, 18 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Done.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ  〚 ₮ /ḉ/ Д 〛 06:32, 18 August 2007 (CEST)

lol@grinch... he knows how to move it, but look up ~3 comments. -- <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/RFA) 06:34, 18 August 2007 (CEST)

iQ ran this. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 06:35, 18 August 2007 (CEST)

OoV bar seems better then the current bar since you can only use OoP and Dark Fury once in a .... very long while. Unexist 19:41, 18 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I'll add into variants in a second. Zulu Inuoe 16:51, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Not variants, main bar please. Main bar atm = I won't use this at all. No e-mangment at all. Unexist 22:37, 22 August 2007 (CEST)
 * That's what Blessed Signet and Signet of Removal are for, but I know the main bar is a tad unappealing, mostly because of the Dark Fury, so I'll leave that spot optional. Zulu Inuoe 04:09, 23 August 2007 (CEST)

Heroes
Soo... Probably dont use BR well, but can be changed... what ya think? <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 04:59, 23 August 2007 (CEST)
 * BuMp. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop)

I haven't tried it, but good idea. NPC's seem to use Order of Pain nicely, but you'd have to manualy use the Strength of honors, which might be a pain, especialy if they're stripped. Zulu Inuoe 17:50, 27 August 2007 (CEST)