Build talk:W/E PvP Coward Axe

bash me pl0x / Fros  T  alk  \ 06:56, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Evis + Shock, imo.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 06:57, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Swords >>>> Axes on coward. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 06:58, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Why is that, anyway?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 06:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Because swords have better non-elite deep wound in the form of Gash. &not; Klump  eet  11:00 {GMT} 21-06-MMVIII
 * Which needs sever artery to actually work. / Fros  T  alk  \ 07:00, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And steelfang slash fucking ownz. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 07:03, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * NERFED!  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 07:14, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Not for this bar; really. It just prevented to be used in a backbreaker chain. Now you can still use steelfang sword to pump up your other adr skills, tbh. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:25, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Coward AND bull's strike, owow <3 I already love this build. Brandnew. 07:13, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Imo, coward + bulls is redundant. I might do what the other build did and bring FGJ instead of bulls. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  08:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  09:32, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Nowai. You're not taking shock when you still can take b-strike. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:25, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:26, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * why take bull's? coward is like an elite bull's that actually works. steelfang = recharge coward neway. (Kiron 11:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT))
 * Steelfang = nerfed, why take Bull's and Coward? just because you can. / Fros  T  alk  \ 11:54, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Bull's doesn't require adrenaline, doesn't cause exhaustion and it's Bull's Strike.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:03, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And I do believe Bull's are brave, meaning it is a Bull versus a Coward. / Fros  T  alk  \ 12:07, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Anyone that's used to Bull's should take it. Shock is a bad idea, and 2 sources of KD is fun.--Fallen (talk ) 12:22, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock isnt a bad idea, theres no room--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  16:04, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I meant Bulls + Coward + Shock, actually 8D - Star Seeker  |  My talk  17:40, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No room tbh / Fros  T  alk  \ 17:50, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Could take out Agonizing. Would be ultimate harrassment. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  20:57, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Would it be worth it? / Fros  T  alk  \ 21:08, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * As a professional axeinyoface'r, I must say this looks good on paper. But I agree, drop Agonizing for FGJ. moar kd pls. Big~PEW~tymer 22:01, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't know, probably not. But at least it's something different, might get vetted. Other idea and stuff. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  05:42, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I personally wouldn't run coward after steelfang nerf, that said never use rush and coward. Also executioners is better.I Heal If U Shutup 13:01, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Comment ignored. Less crap talk plzzz. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:53, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ^--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  19:52, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

why sword > axe for coward
TBH it just looks like you can charge coward faster with sun and moon. The deepwound + bleed is better than the deepwound found here, its just kind of inferior to it. Shock Axe>this.-- Under Gunned  13:03, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock axe kindof owns everything, so thats a lousy argument. Yes, it even owns anti-melee. Brandnew.  13:06, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If people were to say Shock Axe is better than this to almost every warrior build around, we woul;d have about 8 at the most for PvP... / Fros  T  alk  \ 13:07, 22 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Any more the eviscerate executioners strike spike dont work that much but its fairly effective. Very weak against :::any type of anti-melee and shock is a costly interrupt skill. Art de rue 02:17, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * good thing this doesn't use eviscerate or your comment might actually be funny and relevant... [[Image:OmNomNomNom_sig.jpg|19px]] Oɱɳoɱɳoɱɳoɱ ( nom )( nom )  02:23, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Axes suck without eviscerate in general. Swords don't need a elite(sever+gash+f-thrust/SaMS). That's why coward @ sword > axe, cos dismember ain't that gud. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:52, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Without eviscerate axes lose their incredible spiking power. minispiking with dismember>bb is good and all but swords (like everyone has already said) excel at lacking an elite, whereas axes just dont. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 18:25, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * criplash owns evisc imo .. moar fun ;o .. i never rly played shock axe much( cuz spamming shock is something i cannot stop myself from doing ) Close[[Image:CloseImpactSW.jpg|19px]]Impact Too Muh Bruh  06:13, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Stop making bad comments. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock Axe chain can be stopped with shield bash. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.127.55.122 (talk &bull; contribs) 11:38, June 26, 2008 (CDT).
 * ^Heeeeerrrrrrp Deeeerrrrrrrp.--66.192.104.13 20:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * year too late ip--Relyk 22:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Meta?
Where?--98.238.169.189 04:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Like...everywhere.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 04:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice lie.--98.238.169.189 04:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ^olol 07:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I use this a lot as one of my war options.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 08:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Mosty HA meta. -- Frosty  Mc Admin  11:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Mostly all-of-pvp meta. --173.65.149.85 00:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not seeing it in GvG. HA builds are all gimmicks if there is a war its hammer. Whirling Axe/Eviscerate are all I am seeing for Axe bars. Hero Battles lol. And TA builds use Whirling or gimmicks. Also, I use echo mending but that doesn't make it meta.--98.238.169.189 00:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's really HA meta... -- Frosty  Mc Admin  00:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It's an HB/RA/HA bar mostly. Dunno about meta. Definitely used though--Goldenstar 00:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

soooo if you cant use bull strike simply dont play warrior, ty--Daniellange 14:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah because bulls is the same as coward in tombs where you can keep 1 guy in a full duration of 3 heats on a row. Oh, wait. Reunion 15:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Coward's like Bull's on steroids. -- Frosty  Mc Admin  15:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's also retardedly good in HB, where you can keep anything on it's ass pretty much the entire match if you're so inclined. Brining WoF over Preservation only exacerbates this. ;o ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  15:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Coward's actually quite nice for knocklocking into aoe, anti-kiting, defensive and offensive play. I use this a good bit. --BlazingBurdy 18:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * BB. ACting like extra cool, eh? Know three words from the holy dictionary of Guild Wars, put em in a sentence and actually say something... 91.16.141.32 19:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * cool story bro 19:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Come talk to me when ur signature's composed of more than just numbers and periods, scrub. BlazingBurdy 22:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Shadow Refuge (/A)..
...should be in variants (minimum). It serves as one of the best regenerative self-heals for splitability while retaining total kd utility and rupt powahs with coward and d-chop [if used in a non-retarded manner]. --BlazingBurdy 03:16, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ehm...no <font color="Black" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Tyrael [[Image:Life Sheath.jpg|19px]] <font color="Red"> I'm santa!  19:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know, that with something Like Death's Charge or Signet of Malice might be nice for a split. However, I'm fairly certain this is not a split build. <span style="border-right:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;border-left:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;font-family:serif;font-size:8pt;"> Thomas   So   Dutch  20:31, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * You're serious about even considering mainbarring Shadow Refuge on an axe bar? And why the hell would you need a regenerative self-heal for an in this case terrible secondary? -- -Chaos- (moo) -- 20:41, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Recent tactics buff

 * I added Thrill of Victory in as an optional. Almost fully charges Coward in one hit as well as decreasing the time between spikes a bit. Fear Me might be worth putting as an optional as well but I haven't gotten around to trying that out yet. ~Khasar
 * Thrill of Victory instead of Body Blow and "Fear Me!" in the optional slot with 8 tactics would be the way to go. 8 tactics is the break point for both of those skills which is nice Wazzaa4u 19:02, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Fear me @8
BIG CRITS ALL THE TIME, your target's on the ground so often that you're PUMPing crits out with fear me. It's a very nice optional--TahiriVeila 19:35, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Take Thrill of Victory over bblow and you an spam coward like a bitch --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 19:54, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Tactics variant
I disagree with it being mainbarr'd, as the purely strength-oriented version (12-12-3) is used just as regularly as this one. I vote for the Str version to be the main bar and the tactics variant to have its own sub-section. Amorality 19:37, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Untrue... only the tactics is meta.... unless you watch HA. -- <font color="black" size="2px">Ajsnuker  [[Image:File-Ajsnukerprage.jpg|19px]] 20:55, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing alot of "To the Limit!"? Variant? 80.7.57.208 20:58, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * imo there should b a strength variant and this tactics one w/ a meta tag because both r viable optionsKytan does pvp 01:40, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Except the tactics one is way better. And yeah i see a to the limit with soldier's speed variant thats pretty cool. idk what they use instead of thrill though. maybe thrill... hahaI Can Haz Pvp 02:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

So i herd some things lately
To The Limit is gud on this build. Add to variants BerserkerConan 21:16, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's already in the variants....did you even read them?--TahiriVeila 21:30, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

This build doesn't look great damage wise, when you consider the low strength, etc. but after testing it seems to really hurt opponents. I suppose it has a lot to do with thrill of victory making your adrenal skills so readily available.. and a little bit to do with fear me.24.17.45.230 10:15, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

meta tag
It's still a functional build that should be kept around, but nobody runs it anymore. Should that only be reflected in commonality or should I just tag it back to great? --Lemming 20:46, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * great. If nobody runs it, it's not meta. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  20:57, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still rather popular--Ikimono1 21:24, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what the Great-category is for ^____^ -- DANDY ^_^ -- 05:54, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's very strong. KD + mild e-denial + Crits to punish non-kiters + Coward to punish kiters+ an awesome adren-boosting attack. It's full of win, tbh. --BlazingBurdy 07:50, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wait serious?
Thrill of Victory?--GWPirate 16:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's body blow + you gain 2 adrenaline. Problem? <font color="Black">Frostels 16:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 8 sec recharge.--GWPirate 14:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't use Body Blow a whole lot more often than that. In a best case and unrealistic scenario where you sit in Frenzy on someone who isn't kiting, it takes at least 6 seconds to build 7 adrenaline. Kiting, canceling Frenzy, blocks, misses and using other adrenal skills will all increase the average time it takes. <font face="Courier New" color="Black">Toraen <font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 15:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That ^ <font color="Black">Frostels 15:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Archive
Not being run by anyone anymore and the nerf to coward makes even worse than when it was a 6adren skill.--TahiriVeila 21:07, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It still sees some use in HA in balanced builds, although thats the old version with bblow and shock. <font color="Black">Frostels 21:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd tay archive this one and post that build then. Dunno why anyone would run coward though, it's worse than when it cost 6 adren now =\--TahiriVeila 21:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)