User talk:Choytw

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Incidently...
I use IE7 and Firefox looks the best out of your choices of pages. Just thought you oughtta know. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 11:21, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm beginning to think it wasn't the platforms, but the resolution sizes. Thanks for the help! [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]Choytw   Talk + 11:23, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

ToC
i'll fix it for you now (just noticed what it was when looking at your code). ~PheNaxKian  (T /c) 15:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * sorted. if you cliekced edit you had a line which made it so there wasn't a ToC. if you add headings/titles or w/e it should be sorted. ~PheNaxKian  (T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 15:51, 27 June 2008 (EDT)


 * lol that was there for a reason. If you'll notice, I made my own TOC, so I don't want another one...it's redundant.  My problem is that I can't make anything inside the modules which my TOC can grab ahold of.  [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]Choytw   Talk + 16:39, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Please
Don't make your user page a redirect. If you want the firefox page to be the default, either transclude it or just don't make a separate page for it (i.e. - move all the content from there into here).  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 23:53, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Finnaly have one done!!
Finally I have one finished! lol It may not look right even in IE6, but I'm pretty sure it's not dependent totally on platform but on screen resolution. If anyone wants/can switch to 1400/1050 to test it out, I'd appreciate it. Choytw  Talk + 17:33, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

I like
the perceptioin picture--<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  00:17, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Dont vote on stubs. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  15:37, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Double Edits
Don't prevent things being undone. Go to the last good revision and click "Edit" instead of "Undo". It will allow you to edit that revision. Just save the page as normal and it will re-save the page to that revision. - PANIC!   <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  09:55, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Unless you are an admin do not delete the candidate, there is no longer reason to farm the Chaos Planes because the Specters were the ecto droppers if you can't kill them there's no point at all. Creedec


 * How about you check the history? It wasn't removed by me. [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]<font color="Blue">Choytw   <font color="Blue">Talk + 16:32, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

lol i actually didnt mean to smg u earlier i meant to put that on discussion but either way i hate when ppl post these builds i was one of the very first ppl to do the chaos runs like the day or so after SF came un-nerfed and then some idiots decide to post a build it always happens like this ppl dont realize this is why stuff gets nerfed.


 * I honestly don't think that posting the builds and people using them effects their plans. It may scoot it up the priority list, but it is coming regardless.  I really don't think pvx is so important that anet camps out here seeing what people run.  If they're anything like bnet, they have crons to do that for them. [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]<font color="Blue">Choytw   <font color="Blue">Talk + 16:57, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
 * meh there's always whiners like the person above you that want to keep everything to themselves. Like Anet needs to check PvX to know what to nerf. They made the bloody game, they can sure as hell see what is happening in it :3 -- Sazzy  12:44, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Your signature's coding
Is pretty long. Halving its length would be acceptable. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  11:32, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Not trying to be a dick, and now that I think about it...I think there is, but is there a rule regarding sigs, and if so, what's the maximum length a signature can be? [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]<font color="Blue">C hoyt  W  <font color="#9999ff"> [  <font color="#9966ff">P <font color="#6633ff">O <font color="#6600ff">N <font color="#3300ff">D   ]  11:34, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Check the link above (click on "long"). ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  11:42, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (ec) A 200 character signature, for instance, is likely to be larger than many of the comments to which it is appended, making discussion more difficult and ignatures that take up more than three lines (at 800x600 resolution) in the edit window clutter the page and make it harder to distinguish posts from signatures. But you're sig is HUGE. You could put <b> before everything and it after everything. or you could just simply add it as a template and let that template be locked. God  box    11:43, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I do have it as a template, but have no idea what you are referring to when you say, "let it be locked". I'm assuming it takes the HTML away and simply puts the template?  If so, how do I do that?  ChoytW 11:45, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Something like this: . The code of your signature would be  but it would display this: [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]<font color="Blue">C  hoyt  W  <font color="#9999ff"> [  <font color="#9966ff">P <font color="#6633ff">O <font color="#6600ff">N <font color="#3300ff">D   ]  . ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP   12:05, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


 * I already had a template for a sig and just moved it from User:Choytw/signature to  User:Choytw/signature_subst but the HTML still showed as the same.  Am I doing something wrong? Choytw 12:11, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Until I get clarification on whether the longer sign will somehow work, I've reduced it to 3 lines. [[Image:choytw_sig_1.JPG|20px]]<font color="Blue">C hoyt  W + 12:48, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Here is the guide: ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  13:30, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 1) Make a new page named User:Choytw/signature.
 * 2) Paste your signature's code there. Make sure there are no timestamp or other codes.
 * 3) Make a new page named User:Choytw/signature subst.
 * 4) Paste the following code there:  . Make sure there are no other codes.
 * 5) Go to My Preferences and paste the following code there:  . Make sure Raw Signature is checked.


 * Testing  13:41, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Thanks Dont! 13:41, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

btw
I still need help :D <span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:10px;font-style:bold;font-weight:bold;color:F00;background-color:003;">BigPEWTyme 09:56, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * What with? 09:59, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm going to be afk for about 45min to an hour. Leave a descrip here of what you need help with, and I'll get to it when I am back.  10:00, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Basically, my build is up. I need it moved to the secondary stage, and possibly made public.  I just want to see if it goes anywhere... <span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:10px;font-style:bold;font-weight:bold;color:F00;background-color:003;">BigPEWTyme 10:10, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Where is your build located? 10:11, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Nvm...I followed the myriad redirects ;-)   10:21, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Your build ideas section..
I'm not sure if it's on purpose, or something you can't change, but when I click show to collapse the table to see the build, it ends up collapsing the entire right side of the page. It confused me at first, didn't know where it went. Then I scrolled up/down and the "how to kill smites" section had moved down as well, creating a large blank space on the right side of your userpage. Just thought I'd point this out in cased you missed it or something.<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 15:30, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well crap, mind telling me what platform you're using and what your screen resolution is? I had the same problem at first in firefox (IE was just fine) so I shortened the two pains on the left so when the skill boxes were expanded, they wouldn't overlap the navigation bars on the right and as a result, get pushed down.  Anyway, looking forward to seeing what paltform/res you're using - and thanks for the heads-up!  15:33, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I've got FF 3, and my screen res is 1152x864. The skill bars display okay and everything, the only thing that seems to happen is when you collapse the section, it drags everything on that side down with it. It's odd because it doesn't seem like it'd mess up other sections..--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 15:37, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * That res is larger than mine at home (I'm running ff3 and ie7 at home with ie6 at work @ res 1400x1030). Is it when you collapse or when you unhide?  It all started because I have the navigation boxes on the right set to an absolute position so they won't scroll with the window.  As a result, when the boxes expand, they're too wide for the area I have them set in so it gets bumped to the bottom of the page where there is enough room.  I thought I fixed this yesterday by expanding the right side to make room for the boxes we're they're unhidden.  I'll try decreasing the width on the left so I can expand the one on the right and hopefully solve the troubles.  I'll post here when I'm done, if you'll try at that point.  15:40, 23 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Ok, try now please. 15:42, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)Yeah I'll try it now and see if it makes a difference.. Yup that fix'd it. Stays in it's place now.--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 15:43, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I greatly appreciate your help ;-)  15:44, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No problem, I wish I knew how to do all the stuff you do. I can't even understand half the stuff I've seen you put in on all the pages. Pays off though, your userpage is very nice.--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 15:47, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks! First compliment I've gotten  lol.  It took me a while working with these things to understand how it works in the wiki.  I'd be willing to try and show you how I did anything you're interested in.  I'd also be willing to make something for you, but believe it's more satisfying when you know how to do it yourself and see a finished product.  15:49, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It just seems like too much work to me since I'll be working soon, and within a month be in school and working. I'd never have time to do any of it :\ Hopefully though the programming classes I take will enlighten me a bit on how to do certain things I can then carry over and work with here :P--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 15:54, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * They certainly will. Not so much if you take C++ and other languages like I did, but you'll get the structure of how things work which will make it extremely easy to learn this.  The offer will be open if you change your mind  ;-)   15:56, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

It's doing it again.. did you change something when you added the little bar on the side of the page that could have caused it?--<font color="Black">Black <font color="Grey">ened 09:58, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Signature
Please do not use template signatures unless you have a very good reason to do so. Your current signature is short enough to use it in my preferences - nickname. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  11:39, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The reason I put it into template is because it looks cleaner vs. having odd looking symbols present when someone goes to edit. I'm not against putting it in preferences, just wanted to voice why I did it...if the issue is if everyone did this, all the admins would only have time to protect sig templates...I can just move it to a .js so only I and admins can edit.  Would that be acceptable?  11:49, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Included templates generate unneeded server load so they should be avioded when possible. Also, moving to .js does not effect the type of the article, the only thing that benefits from it is monobook.js. I might be wrong. I'm not sure if you can include .js pages. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  11:59, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC -- I'll go try the .js real quick before doing anything else just to test it - will still change if that's your decision) I'm pretty sure that .js extensions lock the page so only the user and an admin can edit. I used it for this page. As for server load, I understand that everytime a page is viewed it must pull the information from the respective template page. But since the file is very short, didn't think it would be excessive enough to notice even with multiple people pulling pages with my sig simultaneously. Another reason I created the template is the same reason people copy "blank of the day" templates. If I get a wild hair, I can change my signature in one place, and it updates everywhere. As a caveat, if you still want me to change, I will - I'm not trying to argue with you but wanted to make sure you knew why I did it. 12:12, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It works - nice to know for perhaps future reference. 12:14, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Accessing the page also strains the server, regardless of the length of the page. About .js, it works however sig templates are protected by admins exactly because it prohibits all forms of editing. When you change a template which is included in many other pages, the server has to go through all of them and change them one-by-one. This must be avoided, so the templates are protected. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  12:36, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I didn't plan on editing it, but instead circumvent an argument. Since you're sure the cons outweigh the pros, I'm heading now to remove the template.  I appreciate you talking with me about it  14:13, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Me/E_Shatter_Signet
Hey i'm new so i have a question, i've submitted the build but none seems to see it could you explain how to make poeple watch my build? .<font color="Green">Snieke  /<font color="Green"> Chat 13:13, July 30 2008 (UTC)

Mr admin...
I moved my user page to a new name and goldiest says i need an admin to change it. wanna do me a favour :D ? Mg 16:05, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He's not an admin. God  box    16:15, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lulz. Easiest way seems to make a new account and let an admin perma block the old one tbh. 16:17, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Cmon
This template welcome thing is getting ridiculous. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 16:33, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm kind of agreeing on that tbh. The welcoming is getting out of hand. God  box    16:39, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You're one to comment, I told you to stop ages ago. It alienates people from becoming part of the wiki and discourages them from contributing =\ &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 16:41, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I thought it was nice when I got welcomed, which is why I do it. And box, how can it get out of hand?  It's not like it is being spammed...it's being put on a new user's page.  @rawr, how does it alienate and keep people from contributing?  I absolutely do not understand that.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   19:53, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't mean welcoming, i mean welcome templates. They feel so produced and it makes the new person feel of less worth than they would have with a normal greeting (Tbh, without my first one from shireen, i'd probs never have contributed to the wiki again, same with if it was a welcome template) &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 19:57, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Now that I can see...haven't decided yet if I agree but can definitely see the possibility. For me, I got to welcome and have some fun at the same time  lol.  Since it doesn't matter if I use the template or not, I may go a while without using it to see if there's a difference.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   20:00, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I just did a quick search, and seems this is the only place you've voiced your 'concerns'...is there a reason for that? € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   20:03, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I have a few times (they'll be in deep archives now though), and on msn to people. I just saw you do like 5 in a row, and it reminded me how... mechanical it was. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 20:05, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Roger that - as for mechanical, it would be the same for a text greeting. About once a day, I load up the last 500 revisions and then go through and search for non-anon red linked talk pages.  I hit up all I find.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   20:07, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I meant mechanical as in how the template greets, with a text one you can personalise to each person (commenting on name for example) &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 20:08, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * My message would be about the same as text lol.  I guess you could say I'm a cordial but not overly warm greeter...Wal~Mart wouldn't want me  lol.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   20:10, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

The problem with text-greeting is that the user still won't know to sign his comments and general things like that. Though I have to agree, very few people respond to welcome templates. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  20:15, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They can be taught afterwards, it takes like another 1-2 comments to explain most of it. Another problem is people who have been on wiki a while without contributing, who take them offensively. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 20:17, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * honestly, if they get upset because they're just now getting a welcome greeting, they're too young to be on the net alone lol  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   20:19, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Feeling so much ^ right now. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 20:25, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * honestly, thought you were half joking (wouldn't change my response still) since your comment about some taking them offensively is a reason to stop all welcome messages and not graphical ones only. € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:00, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I meant like, those antagonistic scrubs who hate people telling them how to sign and things, with a standard text welcome I don't think that would be a problem. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 22:02, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I for one don't include that in my greeting. That's usually handled the first post they make, and leaving it out circumvents the childish attitude towards you telling them how to do something simple.  But I still believe that we're better off offending them and having them leave to come back when they're a bit more mature.   € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:20, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

When I said getting out of hand I meant that take for example Dont: you'll sometime see his Welcomings fill up the whole the recent changes; and this for people who've hardly contributed except maybe creating their own user page. Welcoming just for the sake of welcoming is stupid; and so are these "welcome spikes". God box    05:46, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I'm maybe overdoing it :/ I have thing for filling RC. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  05:56, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Deletions may fill up RC, but welcomes - no. There definitely isn't that many people that need a welcome at the same time. God  box    07:58, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I don't think that they really care whether anyone else got a welcome message at the same time or not. Since most people don't even know where is Recent Changes. For us, welcoming is not personal while still being personal in a way (a user has to discover new users, type the template with his name, etc). However most of the welcomed people think that it is a system generated template or a bot, so they don't really care, read it once and go on. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  08:08, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * @box: doesn't matter how much someone has contributed. When I first popped on here, I got a welcome and it made me feel...well, welcome.  "Welcoming just for the sake of welcoming is stupid"...wth?  Why else would you be welcoming?  As for the spikes, they coincide with either an influx of new users, or fairly new users who were overlooked but suddenly decide to all post at once which means the RC is filled with people without greetings.  I still can't get over your comment about welcoming just to be welcoming is stupid...I really don't get it.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   13:15, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What I meant is that Dont is just filling up the whole RC with unnecessary welcomings to people that've hardly contributed at all. If you're going to welcome a person then you should do it because you believe him to continue contribute on the site - not because you feel that you want to welcome someone. Also: However most of the welcomed people think that it is a system generated template or a bot, so they don't really care, read it once and go on. - that's the problem; we want people to feel that they're welcomed, not by a bot but by a user. God  box    13:57, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * contributions shouldn't be a pre-requisite for being welcomed...it seems a bit elitist if you do - and a bit bass ackwards to be honest. Also, I don't do it because I want to welcome someone, but because I appreciated it when I got welcomed so want to extend that same feeling to others- plain and simple.  I don't agree with Dont's belief that most see the messages as given by a bot - maybe if there weren't any personal information on there, but when you have your talk page, name, and an invitation to leave questions, I think it dispells the notion that the greeting was automated.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   14:01, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I welcome people so they have a start. They can check out pages like Style and Formatting or they will know how to sign. Also, every time I use that template, I mean it, whether it looks like that or not. They can and are encouraged to post on my talk if they don't know something, and I will gladly help them. If the users feel that it's an automated message, that's their "fault", I don't think that a template can be more personal. If someone responses to the template (on their talk for example) I will write something back most of the time so they will know that I'm there if they need me. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  14:59, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * same here...I'm starting to wonder what the fuss is about lol  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   15:06, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I just realized I'm terrible at expressing myself. But yeah, it's getting slightly out of hand tbh. God  box    15:09, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I may be alone here, but I usually only think something is getting out of hand when people start getting upset. If no one is upset, then the massive dialouge is only there to try to get someone to clarify statements/feelings a bit better.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   15:11, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I would of stopped contributing if i got template welcome instead of personalised. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 21:34, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What do you mean by 'personalized'? € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   21:34, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * User_talk:Rawrawr_Dinosaur/Archive_1 &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 21:36, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (ec)nvm, I went back to your first archive. I won't comment about what I think of that lol € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   21:36, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Back when i was unbannable. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 21:37, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * yes, I agree that personalized is better than template - but I also believe intercourse is better than a bj. What I mean is, shireen had some history with you and thus could make the greeting more personalized.  If we did that with everyone, no one would have time to do much else.  So, do we only give greetings to people we come into contact with, or give a friendly, and slightly less intimate greeting, "hey there, how are you?" so that people know they were at least noticed?  I had a blank page for about a week I believe - it was kind of irritating.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   21:42, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That was the first time i'd ever conversed with anyone on wiki O_O &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 21:43, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well then, you can simply change the templates to have more arguments to input. for example,  and you can simply change the personalized message each time.  So to mimick what shireen did for you (and where the hell is he?  haven't seen him in a few months) I'd simply type,  .  They would still be in a template but seems they would get around your argument.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   21:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes... But then theres a big fuck off 'We don't give a shit about really welcoming you' template. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 21:55, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

After reading half of this huge wall of letters, what the hell is wrong with "welcome spikes" and templates? People cry way too much about the RC tbh. First they cry if you don't minor edit your crap, and when you do start using minor, they still cry if you post too much. Also, how can a welcome be personal if the user is new. I'm here for a while now and I don't know more than half of the users that even frequently visit. Templates are fast for one and say the most important things. Is it really that much worse than copy pasting a piece of text everywhere that is hardly as informative? I joined here right before the welcome box frenzy started and it took fricking ages tbh before anyone posted something on my page. And that was whinage that my nick wasn't good enough. I wouldve appreciated a box tbh. Though i would probably just let one person or at least one template get posted, like donts for instance. 22:00, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (ec)Which we've already come across with people typing, "Welcome to the pvs. You have roughly one week before you find that this place sucks!".  Since this is something that could happen with template or text based greetings, it seems a bit moot.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:01, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Its not what it says. Its the fact templates look so mass constructed and it seems just like a routine rather than an actual welcome. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 22:02, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * To be fair, I could turn that argument around and say that it's much easier to type up a few words than to sit down, come up with a theme, search the internet for a gif and so on.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:04, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Its harder to type a personalised message than Welcome|Choytw ~ &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 22:05, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * To be fair, if you're offended by those things, you shouldn't be on here anyway. People are hardly friendly here. Some are completely fucked up too. If a stupid template isn't to your liking, you wouldve run away in tears anyway a few days later at most because someone said you sucked or whatever. 22:07, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (ec - and sazzy, I agree) You're ignoring the new and improved template which incorporates a personalized message...and my last post about the time and thought that goes into creating the template in the first place. € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:08, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

zzz long live old pvx &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 22:17, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * eh, you just don't like anything with templates do you lol   € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:18, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't think he likes anything point. 22:23, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't like templates, scrubs, or people who vote 5-5-5 on every obsway bar. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 22:31, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, then you should've started this not by saying you think it looks automated, but that you simply do not like anything having to do with templates. Would've saved us some time.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:33, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh I never got a welcome thing and I was sorta offended <.<. Anyone who bitches about them being used is jealous that A. they never got one(Like me) or B. is bitching to bitch or to tear down the wiki. FYI I am good you are not gtf over it. 22:53, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh by templates i just meant welcome ones. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 22:54, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC) sorry you got missed bud. € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:55, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * But I gave work-arounds for all the reasons you listed, and you were still against...why? € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:55, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He's mad at the world right now QQ 22:56, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lol € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   22:57, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You kept giving work-arounds to all the points I wasn't making <_< &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 09:27, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not true. Your biggest argument so far has been that a personalized message is better than the generic template.  I replied that you could make the template personalized by have a parameter added which would vary with your input.  We now have a personalized message wrapped up in a nice template.   € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   09:40, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, my arguement was that templates look stupidly mass produced so alienate people :< &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 09:41, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That is a different argument - one of personal preference, which I don't hold. Let me clarify, the arguments which aren't based solely on personal preference have all been given work-arounds.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   09:52, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * wtf chains were way better than this carebear shit tbh. Piplup is the only improvement over old pvx. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  15:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * also, your new welcome thing is so hideous and tasteless that it makes me limp. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  15:18, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Eh, until I can find a pic that is transparent, I'm stuck with one having a black background. Although I'm surprised that came from someone who is still stuck on pokemon  lol.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   16:23, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * pokemon is fucking hawt --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  16:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If you say so...If I were you, I'd grow out of it before college. If not, you better go to an all male school.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   16:26, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm already at college tbh. Pretty sure only fgts don't think Piplups are amazing. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  16:28, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You're fucking lucky you don't go to my college. You'd run home crying every day tbh. 16:30, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * (Ec)You're in what?? A kid who still loves pokemon calls a married man with three children, and a former Marine, a fagot...wow € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   16:32, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lol. You do realise theres a difference between thinking Piplups are cute and being obsessed with pokemon right? --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  16:34, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course, it's different spots on the sliding scale of incredulity that a guy in college still has anything to do with pokemon. € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   16:36, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sadly, most people aren't dumb enough to think that if someone else likes something, it makes them inferior. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 16:37, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So what exactly is wrong with thinking a pokemon is cute when it is? Do you have some kind of phobia of appearing even slightly different to everyone else or something? --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  16:38, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There's a difference between simply thinking it's cute (which is still odd to me), and then slapping it up all over your crap. I think women are cute, not pokemon pictures.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   16:40, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh okay. A running joke with some friends is the same as an obsession. So if it's wierd for someone at college to think a pokemon is cute, isn't it wierd for a married man who's an ex-marine (which is clearly so important that you have to slap it up all over your crap) to spend his time arguing pointless debates about an online game for the sake of it and trying to patronise people he doesn't even know over having a picture in their sig? --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  16:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lolol so if we think piplup is cute at our age, what should we think of a married man with 3 children playing a game like this -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 17:19, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * @tab - if you ever become a Marine, you'll understand. As for the game, I haven't played in about a month, but even if I played it as much as you all seem to, so what?  It's a hobby, a way to unwind from work.  @infested - there's a difference between playing and obsessing.  I'm pretty much on the wiki solely for playing with the code.  But yeah, I enjoy, or maybe more precisely, enjoyed, playing GW.  I also enjoy playing halo3.  I still can't get over you two and pokemon - but to each his own I guess.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   18:08, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * i dont rly see the problem here, so we like piplup and u like playing games...so what? let everyone like what they want to -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 10:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm not the one with a problem lol. If you think it's cool to be in college and still be enthralled with pokemon, then by all means, go ahead.  But, you're seriously cutting down on your chick list - unless you hide them when they come over to the room, and if so, that should tell you something.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   13:24, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, I think you are the one with a problem. How are we "enthralled" by pokemon? Some friends on a website think a pokemon is cute and have a running joke about it. Just because we have a pokemon in our sig on a website doesn't exactly mean that our rooms are full of pokemon stuff. I'd find it alot more concerning that a married man is still so insecure that he has to try and patronise everyone he sees that doesn't agree with his own views than some students that think a pokemon is cute. All you're achieving here is reenforcing the opinion I got of you the moment you started posting here - that you're a complete fuckwit. It's not like we're trying to force you to think a pokemon is cute, let alone like pokemon in general or play the games or whatever else you're thinking of (which you'll probably find that the vast majority of people who screw about with pics of them here don't). You "still can't get over us liking pokemon"? I think that shows you're the one with a problem. If you don't like a bunch of people who you don't know, either in real life or online thinking a pokemon is cute to the extent that you can't get over it, then you're a pretty sad individual. Maybe if it's so horrifying to you you should try find somewhere else to argue about random crap. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  13:42, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Let's lay off the NPA a bit. I don't have a problem with it - I said, "to each his own" but I'm trying to outline some problems you might have in life.  If you think it's worth it, then fine.  So...maybe it's not that I'm insecure (of what exactly?), I'd have the same concerns for someone in college who still thinks sponge bob is fun/cool/cute/whatever.  As for the tale end of your...rant, I'm just fine here.  As for how this started...you criticized me on my welcome template.  If you don't want to be criticized for something child like, I wouldn't crit others.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   13:54, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

It was going to happen sooner or later. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  07:05, 12 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I...have...pokemon...on...my...page... ;-) yeah, I'm surprised it took this long  lol   € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   09:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

 —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   15:15, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * wtf? --71.229 15:22, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That one is just PERFECT! 16:28, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, thats my favorite welcome template. --[[Image:Dervsig.png]]<font color="DarkBlue">Angelus (<font color="Black">stalk |<font color="Black">contribs ) 17:05, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm confused guild...You said that you simply think piplup (I think...) is cute but aren't obsessed...and then I happened by your page on the section 'just curious' or something like that. Seems a bit more in depth than simply thinking the character is nicely drawn lol. € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞ [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   20:45, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Your #ifeq issue
I'm not wiki-code genius, but I'm relatively good at coding in general. If you could break down for me all what's in the template, or just comment it up, I could probably help you a bit. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  19:17, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I thought I was good too lol (and thanks for the interest).  Basically, there was a variable on my user page, which, when it equaled one, everything would show up (firstBodyTrue - i.e. there is a firstBody section).  However, when firstBodyTrue did not equal 1 (like 0 for false), #ifeq on the template page would comment out the Usage and firstBody section.  It looked about like this:

code which is conditional based on the value of firstBodyTrue goes here

(end coding)(begin explanation)

Never could get anything to work. So then I tried putting the conditional code in a template on another page. That ended up looking like this:

finally I got the section to not show up when firstBodyTrue was equal to something other than 1, but when firstBodyTrue did equal 1, none of the formatting would take effect. In other words, when I called the final template ( with the embedded template: ) on my user page, none of the values (for example firstBody which gives the paragraph under the Usage section) would show up. Neither would any of the background values. I didn't know if there was a way to work around that. It seem like if something is more than one template removed from the usage page (a template within a template for example), none of the formatting would carry over to the embedded template.

So...that's the main of it. Have any ideas? lol  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   19:34, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll take a look at it. I'm getting off for the night right now, but I'll try going over things tomorrow. Thanks for the explanation though. Clarifies a bit. Staring at your template code for a half hour definitely did me no good. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  19:41, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah...C++ I can make it look nice and neat, I'm still trying to find my layout preference here so it looks a bit sloppy...and there are a lot of includes and such lol.  Anyway, knock yourself out.  If you find a solution, I'll be in your debt (while at the same time I'll be feeling like a dumbass lol)  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   19:45, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Something else that is going on...since I've added the second collapsible section at the bottom, none of the headers are taking the background variables...even when I force them on the template (by changing the default colors to ugly ones lol).  It's late, and I'm sharing my time with watching the olympics, so it may be an obvious mistake I'm making.  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   00:37, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Your build had only three different skills compared to Archive:Team - 55/SS. Each of them are listed here which is referred at variants. Also, be bold. If you think a build is outdated or can be improved, change it instead of creating a new page with slightly different skills / attributes. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  20:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Long Dead Discussion
A while back in July, you posted on one of my build and asked why I use HB over patient Spirit in my mesmer FC build:

Read HB a little differently - For the next 17 seconds (with 20% enchant) prevent up to 272 damage for 10 energy with a 2 second recharge (I.E. can be up on more than 1 person at a time). While patient spirit is 102 healing for 5 energy with a 3 second delay, or 204 for 10 energy over roughly 7 seconds. HB is more efficient in raw damage prevention/health gained and effectively neutrilizes incomming degen. Without DF patient spirit is unable to match that kind of energy efficiency. <font face="arial" color="Green">Shireen  former sysop  10:12, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * But healing breeze can be used against you via enchant stripping (Shatter enchant, corrupt enchant etc etc). [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  10:22, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * And we can play "But X counters Y!" game for any skill out there. PS is 'vulnerable' to Enchant stripping as well.  But in the raw math format, the basis in which I selected that skill, HB is the stronger choice. <font face="arial" color="Green">Shireen   former sysop  17:01, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Raw math don't mean shit. PS has a 2s duration, that is NOT vulnerable to enchant stripping.  17:11, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * Especially with Mark of Fucked out there...  17:12, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * This was an awnser to his question, not an invite into blantant hostilities. And PS has a 3 second duration.  <font face="arial" color="Green">Shireen   former sysop  17:27, 28 December 2008 (EST)
 * hit you back here  € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   14:23, 28 May 2009 (UTC)