Archive talk:Team - UW Terraway

New Ele builds
Right ppl, so we all know their have been elementalists update on skills. And yes, off course ppl wil try out new builds and new tactics BUT, let's not put up any new builds on the meta page plz. We want ppl to learn and find new builds. But it's the meta page for a reason. All builds there have gone through rigorous trials and have been widely accepted. So let's make a deal to put new builds up for discussion plz. [build prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+3 ene=12+1][Mind Burn][Fireball][Liquid Flame][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Pain Inverter][Fire Attunement][Flesh of My Flesh][/build] [build prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+3 ene=12+1 res=3][Flame Burst][Star Burst][Inferno][Phoenix][Pain Inverter][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Fire Attunement][Flesh of My Flesh][/build] Su nn y St or ms  18:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Build 1:
 * build 2:
 * Let me start the discussion by saying, Build one is crap. You do not want your energy to be drained by Mind Burn and cause EXHAUSTION as spiker.

and both builds do not put out enough damage to spike it fast enough. (tried and test by Sunny)   Su nn y St or ms  18:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I tested it too and i found none of these problems. The exhaustion is only 5 and gone pretty fast. And you need the energy just to spike. Right? Star Burst is slightly faster, but you can have problems with rupts. Just 1 thing i made the SoS bring Spirit Rift. That helps alot. Sjan talk  18:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well i tried both builds and they worked but DWG was still slightly faster. But what i'm saying is for Exhaustion, when in vale it kinda sucks not being able to do fast damage after you've gotten too high on exhaustion. Did you have fail balls on escort aswell or ust pure good pulls, cus i had both and having fail balls sucks. (no pun intended). [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] Su nn y St or <font color="#000017">ms  19:26, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Balls weren't perfect but the mindblades have low armor against Elemental Damage, it's way easier to kill the leftovers then for example the VoS spiker. The build with star burst can spam in vale, but you can become target and get rupted too much. This can easy be prevented by just stay behind the spirits/LT. Fireball helps in vale with honor for the friendly tortured spirit's. The damage is fine i think. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  19:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What i do'nt get neither is why the ele spikers carry wisdom or honor? Take eoe instead of Ebon Escape, qz and sq.(resscrolls required. See example,

[build prof=Rit/R Chann=10+3+1 wilderness=12 spawn=8][Signet of Spirits][Destruction][Rupture Soul][Serpent's Quickness][Quickening Zephyr][Pain Inverter][Ebon Escape][Summon Spirits][/build] and be done with it. The emo takes Honor anyway, if they do'nt they should cus it has no use on a spikerbar. <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I know the att's aren't set right, i just posted quickly. i got ppl at my house. ^^ [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not Advanced Terraway. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  21:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Build using the heavy condition application from Shockwave and removal from Teinai's Crystals and Crystal Wave to fuel fragility and spike stuff in UW.(resscrolls are req and the SoS should replace ancestor's rage with PI.)

[build prof=E/Me Ear=12+1+3 Ill=10 Ins=6 Ene=6][Arcane Echo][Shockwave][Fragility][Teinai's Crystals][Crystal Wave][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Channeling][Ebon Escape][/build] --Ancient 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, in vale your useles, fragility won't help at mindblades. You can run it, but it is nothing for this page. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  10:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

[build prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+3 ene=12+1][Double Dragon][Flame Burst][Fireball][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Pain Inverter][Fire Attunement][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]

I've tested this one, i was suprised. It works for me try it yourself and decide. (After the run i found out that i had the wrong headpiece on too.) <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  19:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

[build prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+3 ene=12+1][Double Dragon][Flame Burst][Inferno][Phoenix][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Pain Inverter][Fire Attunement][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]

I tried that seems to work better. ^^ Try it out.
 * I will, but is it me is honor worth it really? +15 damage * 9(the duration of enchant) * 2(the double cast) is just 180 damage. Phoenix is strong but easier interupted i think. <font color="#62686C">Sjan  <font color="#266592">talk  15:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok tested it, i like honor better, but Phoenix works fine too. Time to add it? btw DD works good with EE.<font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  16:55, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea Honor is ok. I'm just really used to having the Emo take Honor, even in pugs. i guess i'm spoiled that way ^^. But in your reference on "time to add?"; i'd say wait at least a week, cus alot of ppl are trying out new builds and new things. If we are gonna put it up i'd put in the ele spiker build with only wisdom and put honor as a option with Phoenix and others. Agreed? [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  19:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In my honest opinion, Mind Burn and Star Burst are a no no. Seeing Mind Burst does Exhaustion, bad idea in troubled times and Star Burst is touchskill, in my mind bad against graspings and spectres. I'd go either; Double Dragon or Shockwave, Flame Burst, (inferno/fireball), phoenix as standard (honor optional), wisdom, PI, FA, flesh (or if taking res scrolls, Glyph of Elemental Power,that's another +2 to fire damage. Combine that with Double dragon and you'll have 21 fire magic atts.) 12+1+3+2+2+1from cons. massive ouput in damage. I'm gonna test it now. want to hear feedback. ^^

[build prof=E/Rt fir=12+1+3 ene=12+1][Glyph of Elemental Power][Fire Attunement][Double Dragon][Flame Burst][Inferno][Phoenix][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Pain Inverter][/build] Set in order of casting as always. <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  19:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Star Burst and Mind Burn shouldn't be added indeed, I'd rather go for EE when i have res scrolls or an emo with wisdom. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  20:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So we agree on setting last pinged build as a standard, atleast untill someone start a discussion again? Standard build with optional as stated before? [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  08:35, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * @ Sunny saying 21 fire magic - there is a cap of 20. 21 can only be reached with the random proc of +1 (20%) mods. Also I think with glyph you'd only be at 19 since double dragon doesn't raise fire magic anymore :< (12+1+3 from armor and attributes, +1 from grail, +2 from glyph = +19) [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  09:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes we do agree. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  11:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea i know 21 atts is a bit too confident, i was psyched about this build when i used it, i know 20 is cap ^^!  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  13:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say mainbar ress instead of Glyph of Elemental Power. and why Shockwave it's Earth Magic most of your damage comes from Double Dragon.. EDIT: Updated the builds, I think it's ok this way.<font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  16:05, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sjan we gotta make all those skills more overseeable if you catch my drift, it's a bit messy. ^^ Talking about the meta page btw. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  19:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Questionary about Ele spiker Bar
Have ya'll completely tested this in a run b/4 adding to main page? To have enough dmg for spike ele would need to be next to aggro and that would make them suseptable to mindblades rupting. DD isn't really a spike since it's DoT skill. Then again I cannot stand PuG DwG spikers either, so maybe it's just me.--E.Snow 17:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tested/just done it a couple times, so has Sunny(see above). Never had the rupting problem, if so mindblades have low armor against elemental damage and die pretty fast. Weird thing is DD causes none to very less scatter, Flame Burst is the skill that make aaxte's walk for 2 seconds that's it. DD is just one cast too, you can walk back to cast it on your ally. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  17:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thnx for that answer Sjan, I was gonna slightly rage there if i didn't see your answer first. ^_^, yea as stated at the very top of the post. ((Right ppl, so we all know their have been elementalists update on skills. And yes, off course ppl wil try out new builds and new tactics BUT, let's not put up any new builds on the meta page plz. We want ppl to learn and find new builds. But it's the meta page for a reason. All builds there have gone through rigorous trials and have been widely accepted. So let's make a deal to put new builds up for discussion plz. )) I actually put a build that was setup in the meta page from there in too discussion first. As it is a Meta Page we cannot have new builds put in there without rigorous testing first ^^. On a sidenote, Sjan OMG. Here I was happy with the page as I made it. Yours is better GJ.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  17:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason I asked was b/c it was already added to the page. Since preceeding comments were rather recent I didn't think that enough testing could have occurred inbetween the time ya'll were figuring which skills to use and the time it was added to the main page. That was the reason I asked, not that I didn't read top of section.--E.Snow 18:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I do'nt know how long it takes for anyone to test builds. But all I can say is, if i go out and really test any build. I take a full day out for it and test 1 set of build for 2 runs atleast. Look at what's costing too much energy and what the damage is. 'Cus i've been running UW for a long time now, and do'nt really have to run a build to know if it will work or not. But in this case it was a matter of testing the new and improve ele skills. I already knew for instance that Mind Burn and Star Burst were a defenite, No NO. I don't know how Sjan test his builds but, i'm guessing it's in pretty much the same way. That's why for instance me and Sjan agreed on the first and second build in here being unviable to use in UW period. (It's funny, but useless.) on a sidenote, Ele spikers are still not used in record runs. That might give you an idea how good they really are. I would go DWG or SS ANY DAY! ^_^  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  19:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Extreme
It seems really extreme to keep only the absolute minimum skill-req bars and the absolute fastest record type bars and to get rid of every other kind. What happened to some simple and effective bars like a A/E t2 with hos instead of AoE, T1 Ele's with Mantra of Lightning or the nec/mes spiker? Joe the pirate 00:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No point keeping the N/Me spiker bar but adding HoS as an optional for the A/E T2 seems fine, as long as there is a note saying killing Slayer without AoE can be hard. Same with the Mantra of Lightning T1 bar. Just to clarify as I don't run T1 you take a visage with MoL right? SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 01:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I do. I guess there's other options.  Whats wrong with the N/Me build?  Joe the pirate 01:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to run it over the N/Rt bar. HoS and MoL as optionals have pros and cons while the N/Me bar is all cons. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 01:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for changing the T1 bar for me, I'm not great with wiki code. I think the attributes should be 12+1+3 Earth, 12 Domination, 2 Illusion, 2 inspiration, and 0+1 Energy Storage. There's no reason to go up in Inspiration at all with MoL because the Coldfire's auto-attack is hitting you for zero anyways, and a majority of the spiking is done with Wastrel's so Domination should be high. -Joe the pirate 01:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done to the best of my ability. I went with 3 Illu because with cons you get 4 and thats a break point. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 01:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Guys have you done UW since the update? Sin t2 with hos is not a good choice to take, it's almost 100% certain you wil die. You just take too much damage from the Slayer.
 * Yes it's MoL with Visage, but i'm gonna edit the front page to clarify it even better. I'll change the T1 att's to what they should be. (i run it everyday, i even made the t1 e/me vid with waste and vale tut's.) They reason i'm explaning the t1's atts is this.
 * Earth 12+3+1, Domination 11, Illussion 6, Energy 2. The reason for this is, if you cast Standard of Honor, Ancestor's Visage then Sliver armor in that order you can cast 2 sets of wastrel's too do extra damage. I've killed a group of 15 smites that way with only 7 coldfires on me as aggro. (watch the top t1 vid and you'll see it at work. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  07:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd want to try and hit a break point for Demise with domination. Lower it to 10 or raise it to 12 (remember cons). You don't have to tank the behemoths when killing slayer, you can run out even further and use the aggro that spawns with him to kill him and take less damage. It also helps if you have a slashing shield on. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 12:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Slayer is still easy with HoS.. Vanguard Armor Blunt/Slashing Shield and the Sliver Armor defense is enough. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  15:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Icons
It shows for example: Spiker: N/Rt. We've got multiple builds, but it says only that one. Same deal with T1, T2, T4. Thoughts of turning them to / or add the variants under it?  Shadow Honor The Elementalists! 21:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Relyk only recently took away all the variants so putting them back would be pointless. Im indifferent about changing them to / though. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 21:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought Sunny did, but I know it is a mess. We can't however direct to only one build  Shadow Honor The Elementalists! 21:56, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Seeing as atleast for Spiker there is no single bar that out classes the rest completly it's probably best to use the 's or Any's. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 22:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Should use any, just make sure it no longer specifically says SS spiker. -- Toraen   confer  23:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can change it to make it look like Any's at the very top of the page but, we can't let the name be SS SPiker as it's not only SS being represented. I'll go change it now. (Originally i had it set to SS as main and 3 or 4 optionals underneath.)  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  08:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

'if you don't know who to cast it on don't take it.'
Isn't it pretty obvious how it's used? Random Weird Guy 17:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds to me you know who to cast it on. Then plz do'nt reply in a silly fashion that way. You would be surprised who pugs put this bond on. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  08:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

update and history terraway page
Honestly i do'nt like the new changes Relyk currently made. Makes it look so friggin basic. Weapons/armor... Would
 * Basic is good. Easier to read and understand. Also you put "do'nt" twice when it's spelled don't. Qwak 16:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Page could be alot better, Don't understand why ppl insist on changing a setup that was good already. However if you are gonna change a page. Plz pay attention, 'cus now you have the t1 and t2 ranger explanation under the normal explanation for the ele t1 and sin t2. I'll change it, but pay attention next time Relyk. *this is exactly the same as for the armor and weapons. (it's changed now, to what it should be.) [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  16:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't run UW, so I was just working with what was there. I was under the assumption that the variant ranger bars worked exactly the same as the ele bars. I went with listing the r/a variant bar in the variants section and listing the single modification with the consumables in usage to avoid redundancy. I don't like listing a totally different build if it's just a possible variant that isn't used much.-- Relyk 05:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relyk, I do UW everyday, and have been doing it since before Dhuum was in there. So I think i have some exp in UW. I've editted the sections again. Sin and ranger t2 have been set the right way now. T4 ele has been deleted from this page. (i made a Advanced Tarreway page, because someone suggested it. Ele t3 t4 belong there and only there, reason being. It's SUICIDE..... beginners and even semi exp should never ever do suicide.)  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  17:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

T3
I'm merely wondering if it would be possible to use a ranger for this segment of the UW. I am trying to put together a relatively quick 4 man UW team involving a main team doing lab quests, vale quests and clearing wastes. While a terra completes t2 role and t3 role. They then do 4h together, pits and finish wastes. It would be faster if the terra could run to wastes and solo it while the main team does pits. For that I would need a ranger. So...does anyone know if it t3 bit could be done with a ranger?-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  01:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Very hard to impossible. (Step to prevent interrupt) <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  17:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've done it. Twice. I've failed it. A dozen times at the very least. I daresay I'm pretty good at R/A so doing it would only be wanted in recordruns that are trying to push the very limit. Plus that it'd be quite slow, so even then it wouldn't be worth it. Falrach 18:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm...it would probably work if the ranger did t4 part, main team teles to pits after clearing wastes, and then they do the pits quest. Ranger then runs to wastes to finish the quest while the main team pops plains. Tele to plains, finishes, tele to wastes, dhuum... Anyone have any idea about how long an experienced team would take to do that?-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  00:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

100b Spiker
It's possible to use a 100b spiker in vale team? or war with a scythe and some derv skills?
 * No. Falrach 16:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Just, no <font color="black" face="LCD">Shadow  <font color="darkred" face="LCD">Computer coded  16:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * triple NO. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  18:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * why not? for the energy managment or only 2pips in war's energy bar? the 100b an vos have the same power
 * Tell you what, put in the build you want to run and the people nice people here on pvx will most likely give you several reasons. E-management being one of them. Also please sign your comments using 4 tildes.   [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  17:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

This is my idea for VoW spiker with war in primary.

[build prof=W/D WindPrayers=9 ScytheMastery=12 EarthPrayers=12][Sand Shards][Vow of Strength][Staggering Force][Ebon Escape][Eremite's Attack][Pain Inverter][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Grenth's Aura][/build]

Zealous or normal Scythe of Enchanting (with +20% damage from customization) - Staff with more energy for spamming PI and EBSoW on Dhuum
 * Equip with vitae and energy runes

This is a second version, 100b spiker

[build prof=W/A Strength=10+1 Swordsmanship=12+1+2 Tactics=7 ShadowArts=4][For Great Justice!][Hundred Blades][Death's Charge][To the Limit!][Whirlwind Attack][Sun and Moon Slash][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][Pain Inverter][/build]

Zealous or Vampiric Sword of Fortitude (with +20% damage from customization) - Staff with more energy for spamming PI and EBSoW on Dhuum
 * Equip with vitae and energy runes--Kilyan87 23:37, 7 Februray 2012 (UTC)--
 * i never really understood why VoS and starbursting are listed as meta/decent spikers. anything up close and personal is subject to massive edenial from most mobs, and it's also risky for aggro leak. esurge is the fastest spiker anyway. Fianchetto 23:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Both builds are not good due to Energy-Denial. case closed. And LOL.... you gotta be kidding me right. ESURGE is the best? sure that's why highend guilds who do speedclear records never ever use a mesmer spiker.. it's DWG only! that's the fastest.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  08:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The VoS Derv is under meta because the mobs dont have time for edenial as it each should insta die... --  PermaSwag    09:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sunny, all the record runs used SS last I checked. 78.149.38.53 10:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Check again, and this is post and pre HM update DWG GWSC  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  12:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * i should've said my fastest runs were always (yes always, funny eh?) with mesmers. and it's interesting that dwg is now gwscr in light of the update. i've only seen VoS ran maybe 2-3 times and they weren't the best runs. i'd keep in mind that gwscr doesn't necessarily prove the most consistently fast team choices experienced in our everyday play. there's always the probability that gwscr has "outliers" of sorts, so your personal experience warrants some weight. so what's your experience been? Fianchetto 18:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My personal experiance has been VoS to be the fastest and best spike. However few pugs seem to be able to understand it, my friend used to run it when we did uwsc together, him vos and me Lt and every spike was clean expect sometimes we may have a bit of trouble with mindblades. Even with this mess up sometimes we would get good vale pop times. --  PermaSwag    18:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Mother of mercy
Unarchive Physway+ add SC tactics! 66.197.135.98 09:01, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * NO! Terraway still works. Give it time. i've seen plenty of terraways completed today with the standard builds and with slightly modified. Give it time. Or just go as a sin with a slightly altered LT build ^^. Oh and ps, sign your comments plz. with four tildes. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  10:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The tag doesn't mean archival is imminent ^^. Leave it there until the build is updated.-- Relyk 10:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Update... take that archive tag off and leave it off.There is a way testing it now. I'll give you a hint.... Double Mantra on the ele t3, already tried it it works. (i didn't try i myself ally did have proof.[[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  13:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So what was the issue with this im confused... --  PermaSwag    16:07, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thnx for setting the build for "needs to be rewritten". With your consent i'll rewrite the T3 SECTION AND SUBSEQUENTLY T4 as needed. If you remember i rewrote the terraway page last time and we created the advanced terraway page at the same time. So i'll give my time to rewrite the page sections again for both pages. And then anyone can make changes to it after if needed. I'll be home in 5hours and i can get to work then.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  22:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Archival
No, not a topic about whether or not to archive, but I've been looking at the updates, and see no fix for mindblades nor see it on the talk page. Please help me with understanding this :P <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  10:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The answer is out there. For every nerf there is a counter. Just gotta keep looking. Things like this seperate the good from the bad. ^^  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  17:01, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * E/Me, easy <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  17:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

New T3?
[build prof=A/Me shadow=12+3+1 inspiration=10 domination=8][Shroud of Distress@17][Shadow Form@17][Mantra of Resolve@11][Wastrel's Demise@9][Wastrel's Worry@9][Empathy@9][Channeling@11][Death's Charge@17][/build]

I've seen a couple of t3's run this bar today, not sure how efficient it is though --Rialto 16:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's bad. I tried it before the changes, and you can't do this effectively. They still spam their skills and then there is nothing but a loss of damage. Besides, the regen outsmarts your puny 28 dmg. <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  16:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Did 4h pools side without help, popped plains (14 min 2nd i used this) popped pools. Feel No Pain for IAU might be a better option. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  11:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Did 4h pools side without help, popped plains (14 min 2nd i used this) popped pools. Feel No Pain for IAU might be a better option. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  11:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Why panic?
Ppl t3 can be done with the same build same tactics np. Just bait ebon and glyph for them to rupt and when you get glyph off then use it to cast sf (no need for sliver). Count the rupts and when u have three in a row then its safe to cast everything. Nothing is nerfed just got a bit harder.Ancient 19:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * These are pugs, not sentient beings. I vote for archival. RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  19:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't you just pop a rock candy stack like arachni? Except it's harder to bait-- Relyk 21:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Spending 12k in pcons cuts down your profit even more. Farming trolls would be more rewarding.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  21:59, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't we have a E/Me with mantra of resolve and something else. By hell, we might close the pits one, take an extra emo to run along the E/Me for e-management. (bit off not serious) <font color="black" face="Rockwell">Shadow  <font color="red" face="Rockwell">[TC] HA Squad  22:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Dual stance e/me works fine...use mor for casting moe inbetween for e.--E.Snow 22:23, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Gogo update-- Relyk 22:33, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not fluent to updating and attris need sorting [build prof=E/Me ins=11 ear=12 ene=6][Mantra of Resolve (PvP)][Stone Striker][Obsidian Flesh][Stoneflesh Aura][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Sliver Armor][Mantra of Earth][Ebon Escape][/build] --E.Snow 22:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * whats exactly updated THE mindblade Leech signet use? (not home ATM ), Derv with mor ftw:p  Sjan 188.12.55.217 08:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Anet made alterations to the AI for heroes, which subsequently also changes the AI for foes.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  15:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This build has no purpose on this normal terraway page. Please do not try to put it on this page. It has a very highly skilled percentage of useage because of the dual stances. I will put it on the advanced terraway page. Because suicides is still doable aslong as you use this build. I'll go ahead and set the right att's aswell. Enjoy  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  04:06, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Better Regular T3 Build PostGlyph Nerf
I have no idea why this team build is subjected to be archived, just because the Glyph no longer works 100% doesn't mean the entire UWSC terraway build no longer works. With that said, I used this bar [build prof=A/E name="New T3" ear=12 sha=12 cri=3][Shadow Form (PvP)][Shroud of Distress (PvP)][Heart of Shadow][Glyph of Concentration][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Sliver Armor]["Finish Him!"][Dash][/build] The above build requires your standard cupcake/apple which is not too expensive and a must bring for any terras anyways. The build is similar to the old just with modified tactics

-Use Dash to get rid of skele/mindblade aggro

-Kill all the Wailing Lords first without aggroing the mindblade group at the center, if you do, it's no big deal, just run out and bow the wailing lords. Also, make sure to not aggro the dreamrider near the reaper(the non patrolling one), in order to not pop mindblade

-Kill the patrolling skeles after wailing lords are dead

-Then pop mindblade aggro, CAST GLYPH WHEN SF OR SLIVER IS MORE THAN HALF RECHARGED. If glyph is rupted on wanting to cast SF next, use HOS on a nearby target and use dash to run out, then cast SF. You do not need to necessarily do this for Sliver, since Leech should be used up. Just don't attempt this on SF cast

-Do the same when glitching mindblade.

You can swap FH for DC if your T4 cannot provide a HOS target

Also, if you are wondering, yes, mindblade disaggro if you have an IMS of 50%, so if you are using cupcake to run out, it will not always work since they have a tendency to stick to you even at 33% IMS

-Wracks 23:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Enemies in hard mode break when you stack IMS, Celerity + cupcake should be enough for mindblades. This is still a half-assed way of doing an already daunting run. Success rate on pugs is roughly 20% lulz.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  16:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah rask, but if they break about 2 compasses away, it's kinda hard to run there every 24 sec right? Falrach 18:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This build is no good at all. If you are going to run as a sin just take stone daggers and cast 2-3 times and ur all safe. I've seen it being run several times now. I'll try an get a update post on the build tomorrow.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  22:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Kay, i updated the new terraway page. T3 now has the correct build to run it without any problems at all. Also put a variant up for the more skilled sins. Both bar have been tested by semi skilled and skilled sins. I hope you guys enjoy it ^^  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  04:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeh, no longer use that build, it worked for me temporarily before it became pointless and adapted to dagger build a shortwhile after, just didnt bother to update here-Wracks 22:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Stone Daggers is annoying man, when it's not rupted you can keep using it. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  08:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

- Should add the monk T1 bar to the meta here, gives people more choices - Thoughts? I know it has a video and all, but chuck the bar up with atts etc would be useful. --  PermaSwag    15:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything that gives people more choices should be posted on the advanced version.-- Relyk 00:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

[build prof=A/E name="New T3" ear=12 sha=12 cri=3][Shadow Form (PvP)][Shroud of Distress (PvP)][Heart of Shadow][Deaths Charge][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][Sliver Armor]["Finish Him!"]["You Move Like A Dwarf"][/build] This can also be used to do T3, just need to know which mindblades have used what and watch the recharge times, and as for glitching you dont need Shadow Form up to do that at all... --  PermaSwag    13:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

E/Mo Tutorial Videos
The current videos are 4 uploaded by a YouTube user freakshow2001. But I have also watched others made by ginnidorka.


 * 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiQLa71Q12M - E/Mo for Terraway (Underworld Speed Clear) with Narration - Part 1
 * 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J62c5_YSuyY - E/Mo for Terraway (Underworld Speed Clear) with Narration - Part 2
 * 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxnOfpziqLA - E/Mo for Terraway (Underworld Speed Clear) with Narration - Part 3

These ones are much better.

Comparisons

 * freakshow2001 has very good music taste (and we would probably become very good friends), but... we watch videos to learn and out-game music is distracting.
 * freakshow2001 keeps the Inventory panel opened during the whole run, blocking sight,
 * freakshow2001 texts dissapear too fast before we can finish reading.
 * freakshow2001 is playing DL team build which doesn't quite suit here.


 * ginnidorka has narration and his speeches are by far more detailed, specific and proper guiding.
 * ginnidorka Graphic quality is much better.

So I would like to change the Video tutorial listings. What do you guys think? <font color="#800080">Yoshida Keiji talk 16:27, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The indian is prosauce, he taught me T1 fow. Make the changes. 86.186.88.133 01:19, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

The T1 build and questions
After the updates to the Elementalist, wouldn't the T1 not work anymore? Aludeni (talk) 23:59, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What updates are you talking about? The only elementalist skills on the T1 bar haven't been changed in over a year. -- Toraen  wiki  07:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)