Archive talk:Me/E Fast Casting Nuker

Checked and Reviewed
For Viability. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 16:06, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
 * For awesomeness imo. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 05:25, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

echo
why echo as the elite when arcane echo does the same thing... 10 more energy but saves the elite spot - Skakid9090 05:28, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Echo lasts 10 seconds longer and has a 10 second faster recharge, reducing the coppied spells down time. Shireen sysop  05:30, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
 * lol why use either? I use this exact build, except with MoR, and found this looking to see if someone had already posted something similar before i posted mine.  try it with Mantra of Recovery--seriously.  try it.  instead of using ONE spell twice as often for 30 seconds with a 20 second down time, use ALL your spells twice as often with NO down time.  Sure, it costs an extra five mana every twenty seconds, but it also recharges the Auspicious Incantation + Rodgort's Invocation combo: Rodgort's reduces to 7.5 recharge, + 7, and Auspicious will recharge in 12.5, so you can use the combo every 14.5 seconds instead of every 25.  Can I get an amen up in here?  Or at least post it under variants?  actually, i think i will post it as a variant.--Reason.decrystallized 17:38, 30 June 2007 (CEST)
 * I've posted this under variants; as I said, I myself use that variant (in fact was about to post it before I found this build) and it works beautifully.--Reason.decrystallized 18:04, 30 June 2007 (CEST)

Elemental Attunement
Why not try EA? Yea, you can't get energy storage, but with energy storage @ 0, you still have 30 seconds of it. Add another 6 sec if you carry enchanting. Then spells like fireball will only cost 1 energy!! With dual attunment, u can spam much fire skills as you want without any worries on energy management. Plus, no need to spend points in insp. Which also reminds me, (not on this site but...) of a build called flareway (ancient HA/TA build) which used dual attunement with mesmer's fast casting to spam fire spells. :P -- Grumpy (Talk | Contrib) 02:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Why bother? It's not needed. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 05:30, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

MoR+Intensity
I know someone removed the variant i posted, but using MoR does in fact open up new possibilities, particularly with the PvE skills ... hit MoR, then meteor shower, and before the first wave "hits", fire up Intensity, then unload the rest of the spells. i know you can't double meteor shower, but you do get HSR guaranteed, you can fire off the Rodgort's + Auspicious thing more often, and most importantly, be able to have Intensity up every time you went through the combo. would look like this: [build prof=mesme/eleme fastca=11+1+3 firema=12 inspir=6+1][Mantra of Recovery][Meteor Shower][Intensity][Breath of Fire][Fireball][Auspicious Incantation][Rodgort's Invocation][Fire Attunement][/build]

just rip through it left to right.--Reason.decrystallized 04:19, 28 July 2007 (CEST)


 * Or you can use a 40% recharge set. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:09, 28 July 2007 (CEST)
 * which won't work on intensity, because it's not fire.--Reason.decrystallized 23:53, 28 July 2007 (CEST)


 * Isn't needed anyways. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:03, 29 July 2007 (CEST)


 * not getting you here rapta, more damage might be be needed but it sure aas hell is better. &mdash; RAWR! [[Image:Skasig.jpg|19px]] Skakid9090 00:05, 29 July 2007 (CEST)


 * Echo + MS + MS with 40% recharge is more than 50% recharge on MS. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:07, 29 July 2007 (CEST)


 * ms is the only nuke in existance? &mdash; RAWR! [[Image:Skasig.jpg|19px]] Skakid9090 00:09, 29 July 2007 (CEST)


 * How'd you find out? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:47, 29 July 2007 (CEST)

Energy?
Using Mark of Rodgort and Glowing Gaze with Mantra of Recovery allows me to spam fireball very quickly and use Gaze every time it recharges to keep my self at full energy at all times while doing massive, quick damage. I'm really surprised that build isn't here. If I knew how to post a build I would. I call this build the Rugburn Mesmer. [build prof=mesme/eleme fastca=12+1+3 firema=12 ][Flare][Fireball][Glowing Gaze][Mark of Rodgort][Fire Attunement][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Mantra of Recovery][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]


 * Yeah but by spamming flare, even with MoR, your DPS is only 70 to an AL 60, even less when u use glowing gaze. Dunno about this one, try replacing flare with something that has a little more oomph.Kwiet Oblivion 04:54, 9 November 2007 (CET)
 * I agree, Flare is weak, and usually including it in a build is a noob sign, at least for an ele primary, but a mesmer primary has less downtime with a high fast casting (normally it has 1s cast with .75s aftercast), so it may be viable. However, without a good source of healing or protection you will die quickly to spike builds (so forget about AB).  I've run a very similar build in AB as an Ele primary, using Arcane Echo, Meteor Shower, Auspicious Incantation, Glyph of Sacrifice, then the echoed Meteor Shower (I often bring Savannah Heat elite to AB for shrine capping).  I shouldn't necessarily say I use them in that order because I don't (Savannah, then target another group for the other nuke).  With fast casting, you can probably eliminate the Glyph, but I agree - this build doesn't spike hard enough and the original probably has energy issues. --False Prophet 12:24, 20 December 2007 (EST)
 * Lol @ Flare. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild  of  Deals  16:51, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Mind Blast
I think this would be a much better elite for a Mesmer primary its what I run when I do gimmick Mesmer builds, I do not take MS but instead take Rodgarts Invocation as exhaustion and myself do not get along. I also take Searing Heat, Tenai's Heat, and Breath of Fire it works well as most other eles in the group have MS to snare. (Mr Pink57 01:53, 24 December 2007 (EST))
 * The Double Meteor Shower with fast cast is what makes this build uber. Moush 04:23, 11 February 2008 (EST)

My version
Hey guys. I use something a bit different. It may not be too special, but I wanted to share it anyway because there could be more people running this build, and I think it should be listed as great! End with AI+SH, Skip FS if it's not needed to cap. My guy is a kurz called "Four N Twenty" so if you are using this, say hello if Im not busy. ^.^ Ganks 18:17, 13 March 2008 (EDT) [build prof=Mesmer/Elementalist fastca=9+1+1 firema=12 inspir=3+1][Mark Of Rodgort][Savannah Heat][Breath Of Fire][Fire Storm][Auspicious Incantation][Searing Heat][Flame Djinn's Haste][Fire Attunement][/build] by the way, I kind of like to call this build "Speed Nuker." Kind of like a nuker who drank a lot of caffeine. Lol? Ganks 18:25, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Two Savannah Heat plus RI @ 12 Fire Magic is enough for capping in AB, except for shrines with monks maybe. Auspicous Incantation + Rodgort's Invocation is just too nice to ignore. So, that gives us: [build prof=Mesmer/Elementalist fastca=9+1+1 firema=12 inspir=9+1][Arcane Echo][Savannah Heat][Rodgorts Invocation][Auspicious Incantation][Optional][Optional][Flame Djinn's Haste][Fire Attunement][/build] Due to Arcane Echo, this needs a 40s recharge between capping. With a knockdown Warrior this can kill players as well, obviously. Energy is not much of a problem with AI+RI. A 40% HSR set often enough gives you an additional copy of SH for cheap hot fun. The optional slots could be utility/self-heal (Drain Enchantment) and one spammable fire magic skill to finish players off. Numb3rs: Flare has 40dps (vs. 60AL) on this bar, Immolate 30dps (inlcuding the 40% HSR, burning is nice vs. high AL), Fireball cannot be spammed. Sure, any monk can outheal 40dps, but that's just your fall back option. It's better than wanding ... Or bring Power Return to fight of Slow Casting Nukers(TM) and whatnot. Ts 06:02, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

UPDAET
I'd use it like this and I think it'd work better, tbh.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  20:30, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Im going to change to that, this bar is fking horrible-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 23:12, 18 October 2008 (EDT)