User talk:Sjan12192

Boe, de duivel is gearriveerd :P  Slayer  à la  Shadow Form   19:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey SFS--Sjan  15:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * ey [[Image:Shadow_Form~_Slayer.jpg|19px]] Slayer  à la  Shadow Form   17:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Vraagje, was jij die ip-adres :P  S F S   Reborn   13:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Denk het:P--Sjan  13:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sjan, gebruik voortaan als reactie de ":".  S F S   Reborn   14:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

leg is uit:PSjan  14:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nou, door de dubbele punt te gebruiken, zoals ik nu doe (zie de edit), reageer ik in feite op de post met een dubbele punt minder. Bijvoorbeeld.


 * Ok bedankt:P Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 14:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * En niet zomaar dingen deleten ;)  S F S   Reborn   14:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Deze was niet zomaar dit was een lelijk voorbeeld
 * Haha, het was het meest simpele voorbeeld ooit, je vergat de ~  S F S   Reborn   14:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Echt? Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 14:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha :P. Ik ga eens een buildje verzinnen :P  S F S   Reborn   14:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Succes:P Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 15:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to PvXwiki. I'm guessing you're Dutch and speak French? I personally only know English and some Spanish sadly. Enjoy your stay!-- Relyk 11:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I speak Dutch yes and "une petite peu" french:P Ofcourse I can understand and type English, but my grammar isn't that good. BTW Thanks for updating the SoO Dervway page.Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 12:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

How does it work with voting time here? Just vote yourself and everyone will follow? Sjan  20:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If your build has the tag people can vote on it. Usually that just means we bandwagon the first vote, though. Also, if your build is a PvE build it may well get never voted upon. Welcome to pvx! -- Brandnew.  20:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I hope my builds will get votes, because i think, with many other already, that they work, atleast good. Sjan [[File:Rsz 160px-dervish-tango-icon-200.png]] 20:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You can ask people to vote :P. Just kidding m8ey Le Shadow Form Slayer    [[Image:Marker.jpg|17px]] 14:53, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Darkrime Derv
Testing it now if u want to come longeyes aed1--E.Snow 17:00, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

your vote
Got removed on caster daggers. If you care to fight the trash rating your vote might make a difference Smity Smitington 22:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's better this way, if you want to ball you'd be better off running VoS or 100b, and you don't have to use Daggers to tank, you can perfectly tank as caster just with some armor skills. Sjan talk  22:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, wow, this is the saddest thing ever XD Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 22:11, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm just not sure why everybody thinks that daggers are all about balling because clearly they are not. Smity Smitington 22:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not that, I don't want my monk running in and spam dagger skills when he could just heal me while I do it. <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 22:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * So what are they about, inferior to the single target damage from AP EVAS YMLaD and FH. It's my Talkpage:D <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  22:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well i didn't come here to start problems on your talk page Smity Smitington 22:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not about you, SFS likes to join this conversation. And I guess you want to discust it with me. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  22:36, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Problem much? Come on dude, PvX is PvX, is your build in trash, live with it. <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 22:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely right, but it is annoying that builds you vet and work for you perfectly, are trashed. It is still not clear what you would use it for Single Target of Balling, for both of them are better options.
 * If I ever knew why, I'd tell you. <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 22:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all SFS, nobody is crying about their build, I just thought I would see if Sjan cared enough to fight for the build, since it was indeed a small sliver of opportunity which I so opportunistically snatched up because I care about the success of the build and didn't think the 2 seconds of me posting on his wall was too much energy to waste for such an inconsequential thing anyways. Anyways, since we began discussing the build, I would say that dagger spam offers versatility over other builds.  It is one of the more powerful single target damage builds in the game, but it also can supply big AoE through db and faster attacks combined with Splinter and MoP.  It is also more resilient to forms of interruption as it is a melee build and was designed to be more powerful in the frontline (melee builds "belong" in the frontline, and don't tell me casters "are meant" to cast, that is great in theory but I deal with objective data here, the only difference between a caster being in the frontline and a ranger or para is 10 armor which hardly means anything when skills like prot spirit exist, Anet may have gotten it wrong here, but they did get it right in making melee builds more successful frontliners than casting builds).  Smity Smitington 23:04, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You are right, it can do good damage, but when heroes take Splinter and MoP they can also take different AoE skills. All proffesion can run AoE and Single Target even Monk with RoJ and other Smithing Prayers, Elementalist's have AP Shower AoE Knocklock etc. Just Take IAU and you can ball/tank some. Everyone spamming 1 2 3 is makes Guild Wars now how it should be. <font color="#62686C">Sjan  <font color="#266592">talk  23:16, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They could take different AoE skills, but the fact is that splinter and MoP are some of the best options they have for AoE so it makes sense to bring them over other skills, (and to set yourself up to make sure the spells are used to their full benefit). Monk with RoJ won't even come close to the single or AoE damage of dagger spam, Ele still won't come close to the AoE or single target damage of dagger spam since HM destroys elemental damage and I'm willing to bet most would argue that meteor shower's knocklock effect isn't a big deal.  Now it appears that I am exerting a lot more energy on this than originally planned but I don't have anything better to do atm. Smity Smitington 00:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh god, smity is writing paragraphs, this can't be good-- Relyk 00:15, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am actually a very good writer tyvm Smity Smitington 01:19, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * haha relyk :P <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 09:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * His post actually makes sense. :O -- Jai . -  13:18, August 28 2011 (UTC)
 * Atleast they will sometime, for ele maybe but that's just 1 proffesion :P <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  13:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Image uploads
Please don't use the generic names GW generates for screenshots. --  Toraen   talk  17:42, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Should have called it "best hero team setup in the world ever" Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 18:12, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok will do next time. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  05:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

WELL Tags
Please read the bold section on the tag. A new misery 12:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Sign your comments.
Please do use ~ after your comments, all your vote related posts have been unsigned! <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex 17:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Lol
I never realised you were in GOTD, my guild's (NLT) mortal enemy. <font color="Black">Vorpal  13:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * hamsterrrr, why are they enemies exactly? Never cared really about it.

N/A MoP vote
Yeah we get you like panic mesmers with low spec mop, whats your issue with necro primary? <font face="Constantia" color=Gray >Chieftain Alex 07:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * MoP nec with some dom spec. AP makes no sense in that build, whenever your using MoP and not body blocking perfect, foes will scatter. This makes another use of MoP useles and with that AP useles(EVAS can't keep :one target, which makes AP more useles). This build is just another AP, 123 build with potential of AoE, but in the end you will end up spamming the AP chain and maybe have one useful MoP call. All this gave me :an idea, why use AP? Panic, AoTL, tanking skills, AoE nuke or whatever give you much more. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 08:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Only the MoP target actually scatters from the group iirc, and you can chain YMLAD and EVAS on it, so I don't see how scattering is an issue :/ -- <font face="Constantia" color=Gray >Chieftain Alex 08:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * EVAS and Ymlad, with your heroes that foe would be dead then, with heroes assistance. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 08:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If things kite or die fast, it's all the more reason to have a faster recharging MoP. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 08:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Theoritical yes, practical no. If you use another MoP followed by an EVAS to trigger it. The second foe is most of the times dead before MoP can trigger. With the VoS dervs with splinter(MoP strong), who can clean the rest of the balls perfectly, there is no need for more copies of MoP. And when your facing big balls, there is AoS. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 09:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * if you want to talk practical, there's no way you can clean up with evas->"FH!" chains using AoS. AP is the only thing that can do the job, which is why it's worth the elite. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 02:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * All of those elites suck without like a 15 spec. At best, you might be able to take IV or PoD, but neither of those are particularly game-changing. The main difference here compared to other professions is just that the other elite option just aren't particularly great. Not to mention MoP is by far one of the most powerful AoE spells in the game if used properly, which can overtake ele and mesmer damage within seconds. Just getting a second MoP on a half-balled mob will still be significant. -- Jai .  -  04:01, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * Undervoting MoP would be rating it 5-4. Because, if you don't use MoP nuker, the only other choice you have as a human is Spiteful Spirit or IV. Never of which are as powerful. SS, as everyone knows, is terrible in most cases and IV is cold damage, so moot. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 04:04, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * IV is overpowered you crazy sunnuvabitch. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 04:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * On heroes. -- Jai .  -  04:22, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * Its decent on players, but I would never use it in serious play. Pushing kills yourself to trigger putrid bile constantly tends to by more reliable than your team pushing kills for you.-- Relyk 05:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me make on thing clear, MoP is OP AoE damage. With a 40/40 set and AoS is AP not needed at all, this gives you the oppurtunity to use Panic on player for example(you have the attribute points). I also dislike in this build how to use AP because you can't really target your MoP target because it will be instant dead with AP Ymlad Evas and some hero power, this leaves another random target. That's difficult to do always correctly. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 06:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Panic is a 15s recharge mesmer spell that lasts 7 seconds on a necro, which means not even half uptime. Why the hell wouldn't you just run it on a mesmer, if anything, where you can maintain it for all but about 2 seconds? Anyway, the vast majority of areas don't even need panic. Also, honestly the PvE slots on a necro are at least as valuable as their elite slot, and you'd simply be swapping AoS for AP. Also, factoring in player skill is another thing that's not accepted in a vote. And AP on one target with your other junk on another is not hard at all anyway. -- Jai .  -  06:11, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * I got it to 8, in PvE you can't chose which proffesion you are playing, Panic is an option, but there are more options. EVAS lacks your choice of target when there are more targets (in balls) makes it just some random single target damage. So why even bother take AP for FH? MoP not needed, evas is just single target, energy? You have SR. Panic placed by a mesmer hero isn't better then a half uptime spammed panic by you, also this means mesmer hero can bring ESurge. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 14:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually heroes are wonderful with panic now. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 15:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You may run a Panda with Strike as One and give your mesmer Panic. Pets are pro's at balling no lies. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 15:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're so determined to tell us that necro's have better options than AP MoP, then why don't you go ahead and show us this all-powerful build instead of vaguely referencing some shitty Panic or AotL necro? -- Jai .  -  20:40, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * Check his front page. The fact is, Panic can only be feasibly run on a mesmer, due to fast casting. Therefore, looking at necro elites, nothing compares to an elite that recharges their strongest skill, not to mention PvE skills, in seconds. ~<font face="Calibri" color=black>Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 20:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow... Just... Wow. Sjan, you do realize that if you put that build in buildspace, it might last a day if you were lucky? If that's your support behind your vote and you're not willing to change it, then I'm probably going to head to the AN next, because that is no reason to trash any build that's even moderately effective. -- Jai .  -  20:59, April 18 2012 (UTC)
 * Ignore them Sjan, I just checked your vote and your reasoning is perfectly valid. Instead of AP you could take Incoming/Fallback, Ray of Judgement, Ineptitude (totally trolling on this one), PoD, Destructive was Glaive, FoC, SoS, Spiteful Spirit, etc, etc. There's nothing wrong with his vote. You just don't like his rating, which is tough shit. FIGHT THE POWER SJAN, BROTHERS IN ARMS. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 21:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ultimate pvx low: rask defends you. <font face="Constantia" color=Gray >Chieftain Alex  22:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What can I say? I'm a good guy. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I suggest an easy solution to Sjan. Ignore and move on. A solution not known by soi but known by almost everyone else. --  Sh @ dow / /  Haze  22:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't tell someone not to respond when other users bring up issues with their rating :/-- Relyk 22:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * His rating is fine, unless an admin sees a problem with his rating then there's no problem with him ignoring them. I in fact advocate ignoring soi sticker at all costs! [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant move on sice there is no more discussing needed. He made a valid rating and he is in no way subject to changing it neither does he feel the need to. --  Sh @ dow / /  Haze  22:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point why you have to maintain Panic on foes, MoP kills very fast no need for maintained panic. Again there is no need for AP AoS does the job perfect and frees your second attribute, it could be a decent optional yes, but no other elites, options being noticed made me trash it. <font color="#62686C">Sjan 13:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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