User talk:Master Elros/Skill Balance/Necromancer

Just thought I'd mention SR isn't as OP as Crit Strikes or Leadership. Minion  12:03, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well for the matter SR is far more passive than Critical Strikes and Paragon's primary attribute is quite frankly hard to abuse. Like Leadership Expertise is also a fantastic for the energy management, but as they both (Paragons and Rangers) lack the options to use their superior energy management to the max they are not generally so OP after all. --Master Elros 13:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I find that hard to believe when, atleast for a paragon, they can attack, have two adrenal skills and gain +6 energy every shout. Chaining SY and GFtE will produce more energy than SR in the 15 second period, potentially. Don't say that they take up skill slots and SR doesn't, because they're skills you take regardless and are very useful. The crutch of paragon energy management is "The Power is Yours!", which is terrible. Now, what stops you from using this abundance of energy? Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 13:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Both "GFtE" and "SY" are adrenaline skills so it limits their usage to builds in which you can build adrenaline. Soul Reaping is not dependant on you actually doing something or not. All in all Leadership may yield more energy on short burst, but it does not work on builds which don't attack to gain the adrenaline. --Master Elros 14:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What builds do paragons not attack in!? Anyway, even if you're pure caster you can still attack and build adrenaline. You ever hear of bonettis defense on monks? Roland 19:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. monks Bonetti's and I have used it with my Mesmer and my Necromancer too, but it's solely for the low-end PvP. --Master Elros 20:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, my point in saying bonetti's was that you don't need an "attacking" build to use adrenaline skills. You only need to c+space in between casts. Also, if you're not using adren as a para(majority of para skills are adren based no?) you're doing it wrong. Roland 13:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes and no, Roland. The first epithet is right, you do only have to autoattack a little to charge adren skills. The second point is wrong; Hexbreaker Aria, Go For the Eyes! and Anthem of Envy are the only adren skills that see use (excluding spear attacks, which are rarely used) Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 14:46, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're using a paragon, he's going to have spear attacks and they're going to use adren(those are beside the point tho as they don't activate leadership). If you're in HA, you're going to see SoC. If you're using alot of para's, you'll see chorus of resto. Also, if you're having a para, he should have gfte no matter what unless you have a couple of them.  That is basically +x energy every ~8sec which is pretty good e management. I will admit that less skills than i thought(excluding attacks) were adren based, but as i said, if you're not using adren, you're doing it wrong.  And also, tho i don't pve much anymore, SY among other adren shouts is constantly spammed providing a constant stream of energy. Leadership is rather powerful. Roland 18:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)