Archive talk:Team - TA BB Sinway

DISTRACTING SHOT PPEPWPEWPEPWOOEWOEPWEPWPEPPEPWPEPWPEW Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:49, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * i luve you rawr  Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 11:51, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * HI FOX Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:00, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Sin's Remedy with Bull's as the only attack skill? And how about Wild Blow on the bar or as a variant? Spaggage 12:25, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Is this enuff dmg? tought about Brutal Weapon but then the ench fucks itt upp :( Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 12:28, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Add wildblow for anti-stance, rush over dash because of locust and dagger speed, caltrops is pointless imo, its just ff food for the condtion throwing war, no hard ress, with the amount of anti-melee and linebackingfest in TA not sure how well this will do but I guess its an idea to try... Divine Xan 13:12, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Your "Curses Locust" doesn't use any curses ^_^ Charon 15:01, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It is also a bad build.  Mr.  Big  15:19, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Probebly but i like to try making builds areound crappy elites. btw


 * 2x / Flailing Locust


 * 1x /Any Curses Locust


 * 1x / Movement Locust

Barbs / MoP Version.  Fox007  15:25, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Locust's Fury isn't that great, tbh. Moar anti-melee (Faintheartedness+cover) in the optionals. Also, Plague Signet is kind of meh as an Elite, as is Mark of Pain in TA, so, imo, just take a WoD bar with Barbs in it. Also, Holy Veil>Reverse Hex, and you'll definitely want a little more hex removal because all of your damage comes from your melee. Tbh, MS/DB>Locust's Fury:


 * No IMS can hurt, but Black Mantis Thrust has a short recharge. Orrr, you could just use a BB Sin. =D
 * A WoH bar would also work better than ZB for more/stronger powerhealing, imo. ــмıкε  нaшк  18:43, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Locust's fury has been and always will be L.A.M.E. Life Guardian 19:20, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Someone did a RW
Why?-- Shadow 20:36, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Heh, we need moar TA with BB Sins. It'll be a completely different build, though.
 * Go with a traditional WoD FF Necro and a Monk like:


 * ــмıкε нaшк  20:42, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Basically, you can hex the melee with Faintheartedness, hex another player with WoD, and then have both BB Sins hit the remaining two targets. ــмıкε  нaшк  20:44, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

yeah. if you mean RW as being rewritem that was me. BB sins pwn. and shield bash won't ruin ur chain. u can still get 1 "falling" skill off, just won't be as effective. and Bb sins are good Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 12:18, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

ur ZB monk...
is gonna run out of energies rly fast :/-- PWN3D! <>  FROGGY!   20:46, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

TA BB Sinway
[build prof=Ass/War Dag=12+1+1 Cri=8+1 ham=10]["For Great Justice"][Backbreaker][Flail][Falling Spider][Twisting Fangs][Falling Lotus Strike][Blades of Steel][Resurrection Signet][/build]

[build prof=Ass/War Dag=12+1+1 Cri=8+1 ham=10]["For Great Justice"][Backbreaker][Flail][Falling Spider][Twisting Fangs][Falling Lotus Strike][Blades of Steel][Resurrection Signet][/build]

[build prof=N/any curses=12+1+1 soul=12+1][Wail of Doom][Faintheartedness][Defile Defenses][Foul Feast][Plague Sending][Rip Enchantment][Shield Bash][Resurrection Signet][/build]

[build prof=Monk/Warrior HealingPrayers=12+1+1 ProtectionPrayers=8+1 Tactics=8 DivineFavor=7+1][Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Guardian][Dismiss Condition][Spotless Mind][Holy Veil][Shield Bash][Disciplined Stance][/build]

imo. ــмıкε нaшк  20:52, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Gets rolled cuz of hexes on sins + conditionlolz. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:19, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ur monks probably gonna run out energy quickly. Imo put in bonetti's defense. good way to get some energy back.--64.251.53.130 12:26, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * Bonetti's defense is a pretty bad skill; it costs too much adren, which a monk probably shouldnt have, and ends if you use a skill, which monks should always be doing unless VoR'd. :P. If you're running out of energy, you're stancing too often. Shield Bash is supposed to be strategically placed, Disciplined as well. -- Jebus  contests  20:20, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Monk Meta
Shield Bash has just destroyed your chain. BB sins work in HA and GvG because the monks are not Mo/W and do not have instant blocking stances/skills.--66.192.104.10 23:05, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * TBh fake it out. BB then lol at their shield bash. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 02:26, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Problem is, BB will be bashed so it have to recharge. If not, you aren ot playing against a good monk, and in that case any build will win.Sebv2727 04:21, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You can either cancel Backbreaker before it hits, or switch targets if the Monk casts Guardian on himself. This build doesn't focus on spiking out the Monk first, but stacking hexes on their physicals, WoDing their Monk, and spiking the others (two at a time, if possible), because that should be one of the safest tactics. It can be like a party-wide blackout effect if used right. ــмıкε  нaшк  07:09, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Or just both attack the monk. Even IF you get your BB Bashed, the other sin will still connect his BB. Or, on the other side, IF you get your BB Bashed, 'nother target is still getting spiked. With WoD on the monk. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  09:13, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Why WoD the monk when ur killing him?-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 11:03, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


 * tbh i can send you screens of 35-40 win streaks using dual BB in TA, so shh Biddlers   McDiddlensmith  yarrgh  11:12, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yea, only terrible bb sins actually get bashed, and its really easy to fake a bb anyway. Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:23, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Why not for shits and giggles, have a WoD with Blackout? thats like...double the fun. :3 -- Ikimono I'm Sober. What's your excuse? [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 16:53, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

BB sins
use a shadow step on one(or both) of them to surprise the monk, if he goes like /Guardianthenecro he's like oshit /cantguardianthewarr, imo CloseImpact Too Muh Bruh  13:42, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * or just spike at the same time anyway? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 14:29, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * No co-ordination is needed whatsoever. Rawrawr Dinosaur 14:31, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * to make him feel better there is. And i was ok in changing the old shit build into dual BB right? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 14:34, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, this build is much better now (and completely different, too), just hope the BB Sins are half decent. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:00, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * u hope thye are decent? they are amazingly good solo spikers Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:05, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I mean the players. Archer Brick and Froggerton voted the build down assuming whoever's playing the Sins are bad with the build. >.> ــмıкε  нaшк  16:09, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

The generic WoH monk with Disciplined Stance/SB would really rape this. Blah10
 * You can WoD the Monk, hex their melee with Faintheartedness (and Defile Defenses as a cover) and spike the other two at the same time. Their Monk will have a hard time healing/protting two spikes with 0 in its attributes. It isn't that hard for a decent BB Sin to outplay a Monk, anyway. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:43, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Too bad only terrible people take SB. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:45, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * cough*-- Ikimono I'm Sober. What's your excuse? [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 16:54, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * People like Rawr take Scorpion Wire on a 4 4 hero battles split. it ownzz. Brandnew. 16:55, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Scorpion Wire is fucking awesome, but that's beside the point. The point is, BB Sins, like any other build, are only as good as the player using them, so ratings with counters as the only reasoning are bad.
 * If the dual Monk version is better, someone write it up, because I'm not sure what the second Monk is supposed to run. =/ ــмıкε  нaшк  17:20, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Melandru's Resilience, RoD, Smite Hex, Remove Hex/Holy Veil, Draw, SoH, Cast Sig. Can't remember seventh slot, maybe rez. --71.229 17:24, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * So Archive:Mo/R Melandru's Support Smiter without Smiter's Boon? What would go in its place? =/ ــмıкε  нaшк  17:31, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Remove Hex or Veil. --71.229 17:34, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Main monk bar needs fixing now, but I can't remember what it should be. --71.229 17:56, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * fixed Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:57, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Thanks. --71.229 17:59, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Now that we've got SoH, Flurry>Flail? ــмıкε нaшк  18:00, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * flurry is always > flail Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:06, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Frenzy vs Flurry
Discuss. I is   * Je b us *    Enter my contests! 22:12, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * This is for TA. TA means VoR, Empathy, ED rangers, and backlining warriors. --71.229 22:18, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Hence no HB-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 23:36, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You've also got Holy Veil, Remove Hex, Spotless Mind and Smite Hex to cope with Hexes, although the 25% loss (only in base damage, of course) doesn't really matter since you've got SoH, anyway. ــмıкε  нaшк  07:03, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, so we've got a zero-loss stance against one that can potentially pop you for three hundred damage if you get Empathy'd midspike before your monks can do anything. --71.229 07:11, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

this is really easy to counter
if i was on a balanced team and came against this, id think oh this is going to be easy ok necro WoD sin #1 on the spike and ranger d-shot sin #2 and monk get rdy to spike heal, problem solved Archer Brick 06:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
 * If you do that, then you're dumb cuz you can't get kills, at all (unless the bb team is terrible). WoD doesnt even recharge by the time a bb sin does another chain. If you're wasting your interrupts on the bbs... you will never get kills. Ever. Rawrawr Dinosaur 06:07, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
 * WoD the BBs. gud1. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 06:26, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Cacophony imo-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 21:00, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Hey i have an idea, lets stop adding -way to every single build name. holy sloth testicles, is it really fucking necessary? Tritan 12:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yes. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:08, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * WOW HEY BY THE WAY FLURRY IS FOR PUSSIES, CHANGE PLOX OR BE A GIRL FOREVER.Tritan 12:19, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Gz on being terrible at BB sins. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:20, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Gz on not knowing when to spikeTritan 12:23, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * O good joke? Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:25, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Flail is run by shitters like Six, and frenzy is a terrible choice in linebackland. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:25, 11 December 2008 (EST)


 * and flurry is run by real men amirite? lololol. i herd you can be kited by a knocked down target so u shouldnt use flail. o wait.Tritan 12:27, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Lulz, so i herd with flail you can charge bb fast enough to spider -> blades and then have bb recharged again by the time twisting is. OH WAIT A MINUTE Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:29, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * because you have to do that with 2 bb sins, not enough domage rite? weee chaining attack skills that have a huge flat damage reduction because of a shitty iasTritan 12:33, 11 December 2008 (EST)


 * The damage reduction only applies to the 7-17 damage you deal with daggers, ie you barely lose dmg. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] Srs Beans R Srs  12:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * OH SHIT I LOSE 3 DAMAGE A HIT, THATS PROLLY WORTH BEING DUMB AND ONLY USING MY CHAIN EVERY 15 SECONDS AND PRESSURING WAY LESS OUTSIDE OF IT Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:38, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * flurry is still a girly man skill, i dont care what you says Tritan 12:42, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * This is a lameway so its girly anyway... So why does it matter lulz. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:43, 11 December 2008 (EST)

I archived
Because of the insane amount of stances (warriors with shield bash, rangers with bonettis, dual stance monks and necros), and rangers will just dshot your bb over and over. Gringo 01:30, 19 January 2009 (EST)