Build talk:N/any Icy Veins Hero

Woosh! rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 05:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me help by putting our long-beloved Ancestor's Rage in perspective: Fireball is now better. Maybe Spirit Rift instead (with or without Cruel was Daoshen given the recent (overdone) fanaticism for reducing armor). That's all Channeling Magic has for this. 8 Death Magic is a joke with typo. The Curses section is decent (where's Shadow of Fear and maybe affordable Chilblains?), and the Resto section is just Sabway. And 12+1+1 Soul Reaping? Fianchetto 06:34, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Spirit Rift doesn't work in pve. Why the hell would you take shadow of fear or chilblains? Resto section is optional not mainbar. As for 12+1+1, good catch, but why did you write a huge tl;dr instead of changing it yourself? tl;dr: zzzz rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 06:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Changed it, move to N/any if no one has complaints. IV healer should be a separate build since you can't nuke properly and maintain 12 resto without gimping damage on IV and miss out on putrid bile fun.-- Relyk 07:12, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You should say Rift doesn't work in pvp. In pve, it's a better source of cracked armor than Weaken Armor and better damage than Deathly Swarm, provided you do a little balling and/or microing. However, I'm dealing with the guy who trash votes based on micro so what's the use. Also, you'll have to...micro IV a bit because heroes don't stack hexes. Fianchetto 19:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wat. Hero's spam IV like retards spam ice cream. Test it before you make silly assumptions. Theorycrafting is only half the battle. rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 05:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You're going to miss out on a lot if you can't accept tested game mechanics, Mr. internet ego. Fianchetto 23:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * They don't stack same-hexes, but that is irrelevant here because you don't run more than one IV necro. However, microing it is a good idea because they don't use it for the initial damage (it's used much like SoLS, according to a few Guru posts. I will confirm later) Fianchetto is right, though. Spirit Rift is amazing in PvE because monster AI don't kite from a ball that deals 0 damage until it ends.  Jazz Shadowhelpingsighands07012012.jpg Discuss 05:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Issue is they cast it on the first foe they see, which is usually melee. 9/10 times spirit rift only hits 0-1 enemies. rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 05:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Spirit Rift is one of those skills I would micro.-- Relyk 05:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Blame heroes less, click more, expand gamestyle. Fianchetto 23:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Player Bar
Any thoughts or changes? Protip for people who aren't lazy, IV chaining on minions is fucking hilarious. rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 09:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Suggestions: Weaken Armor on both mainbars if IV (and Deathly Swarm/Ancestors' Rage?) is the main selling point, and new ele fans will love you. Get "Find Their Weakness" off the page. Take out EVAS because of no recharge (its single target damage is about the same as 2-3 Necrosis), replace with EBSoH. Why is YMLaD mainbar material? Malign's a cute idea, isn't it. Fianchetto 23:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Evas and ymlad look meh mainbar. I'd mainbar Deathly Swarm. On the hero bar, mainbar Deathly Chill.  Jazz Shadowhelpingsighands07012012.jpg Discuss 23:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You both are so bad. I was asking for people who actually know what they're talking about, thanks for trying though. Fiancetto, you constantly start arguments over really stupid shit and are generally inept when it comes to pve (from my experiences with you). Jazz, I think you're a sock, putting that aside you haven't made a single useful post since you've "joined" and in general show high amounts of autism. See here both of you. The fact either of you even considered getting that vetted shows your lack of knowledge in game mechanics. tl;dr No. rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 04:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You were told to stop accusing innocent users of being socks. Also, I'm sure there's some sort of rule against calling people autists. I'm fairly sure it's "autistics".  Jazz Shadowhelpingsighands07012012.jpg Discuss 04:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Rask. Play nice. Honestly, acusing Fianchetto of only starting arguments after the shit you just wrote. Whoru to call him bad after putting dissfuckingmiss condition on a necro. Oh, and this isn't because I hate you (though I do) it's because what you just said was good ol' fashion retarded. Yours sincerely, SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 04:45, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * @rask, Play nice even if you don't want to. Toraen did say to fuck off on the issue.
 * @fianchetto, Weaken Armor is always optional since you can put it on any hero bar. FtW is fine for hero bar. Push EVAS to variants because Necrosis would work just as well. Yes, replace YMLaD with Finish Him. Only point for YMLaD and EVAS is knocklock, which isn't very useful in this case. Malign is a very cute and loveable optional.
 * @jazz, Deathly Swarm is pretty weak on a player bar. Deathly Chill is bad, even if you wanted to push kills with it. The term is autist, as in "Jazz is being an autist."-- Relyk 04:56, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And @herp, there's nothing wrong with adding dismiss condition to optionals, you agreed when it was pointed out it wasn't mend condition. Don't be a hypocrite.-- Relyk 04:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh god... On that image talk page I thought the guy who pointed out they are different was being sarcastic. I was also being sarcastic. Mend condition on a necro is just as bad as Dissmiss for the same reason draw is retarded. Necro's have Foul Feast. Single condition removal pointless in PvP let alone PvE where you can just not take it altogether. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 05:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's an optional skill, not the end of the world. If you want to attack rask, do it on his talk page instead of looking for an excuse to do it here.-- Relyk 06:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll just tell you to stop being a nigger and fuck off, so don't bother. rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 06:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Stay on topic folks. -- Toraen   confer  06:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relyk are you trolling me? You agreed with me moments beforehand. Nevermind, just saw he got banned. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 17:01, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

INTENSITY
FUCK YEAH :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- DANDY ^_^ -- 01:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Lmfao  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  Mission control out.  01:33, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, like, Necrosis? And variant something, like fucking Rising Bile over Putrid Explosion for areas with no corpses. I just did this one NF mission with a fuckton of djinn and no corpses, and Rising Bile woulda been pretty nice. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 12:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Intensity, Necrosis, and Rising Bile should all be in optionals-- Relyk 14:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Meh
Why is this a different build to the AP version? I count 6 of the same skills. Chieftain  Alex  14:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Icy Veins forces you to play differently than you would an AP spiker (different enough for PvE anyway), and IV also leaves you with an open secondary. -- Toraen   confer  01:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ Btw Alex are you in minion's guild?  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  01:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Slightly off topic but no, lol. I was but his guild were full of sexual deviants and they scared me. Why does it even matter? -_- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  03:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Matters as much as your keen observation heading this section.-- Relyk 04:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * if you want to make it look less of a dupe, take out EVAS please. that's just an embarrassing attempt at single target spike and we all know it. Fianchetto 22:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's never going to be considered a Dupe to the AP spiker, so that's poor reasoning for suggesting it be removed. Try suggesting other skills that would be better on the mainbar. -- Toraen   confer  23:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * i hate to say it, but Signet of Sorrow or high-rank Necrosis look like the best candidates for single targeters. although i don't know why you would want mediocre single targeters when there are 7 other teammates. this isn't a farming build or anything in which you need to trigger the EoE effect... Fianchetto 23:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * evas and fh are for pushing kills to trigger IV. Same with necrosis, which is in optionals-- Relyk 23:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * obviously they are. that's not the point. we're discussing better mainbar material than a semispike every 30s. also whether it's worth bringing a single targeter at all. Fianchetto 00:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Heroes cast splinter/ancestor's on sin support, it adds plenty of supplemental damage and it's to get off your first putrid/IV which starts a chain reaction. If you have a better skill then please feel free to change the build. Otherwise we don't change effective builds to look less like other builds.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  01:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Split
It was never my intention to stick a player bar and hero bar on the same page, but it ended up that way (i.e. Jazz Hans adding it). The current version is literally two pages stuck on to one build article.-- Relyk 19:18, 12 April 2012 (UTC)