Archive talk:Team - FoW Cryway

If this is anything like the UW speedclear builds, which it is, pretty much the terras make or break the team. Nice concept, and it really does work. Killer Hasy 21:58, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

om i cant find a grup for this...........im startin to wish ursan became unered so more ppl would fow than uw...........--IMBLUE Da Ba Dee Da Ba Die 22:57, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

More ppl do UW SCs b/c of the drops, in FoW the only good thing that can drop from the chest is an obsidian edge, which is hard enough to get b/c of the drop rate but selling it is much harder. And...leave ursan alone, its dead , dont use it, no more ursan! Nice build btw ;) Trein.M 05:12, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

The terra elementalist cannot mantain shadow form permanently. Is that ok or you count that using conset they can mantain it without glyph of switchness??? (Sinchan 05:39, 20 August 2008 (EDT)).


 * Cons are required, ye. Also: Swiftness, not Switchness. Spelling isn't that hard people >.> -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] Srs Beans R Srs  05:41, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * If you just drop Feigned Neutrality for Glyph of Swiftness. You wouldn't even need FN then. Brandnew.  05:42, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * i havent done fow at all but i think FN is for PBAoE dmg. SF is fully maintenable b/c grail gives +1 to all atts(so 13 shadow arts) and essence makes skils recharge 25% faster.--IMBLUE Da Ba Dee Da Ba Die 19:26, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

Looks awewsome, all except Orison of Healing, Mend Condition, and Signet of Disenchantment (1 enchantment removed for losing all energy seems like a waste imo). Also, maybe don't need healing seed too terrably bad, since it has 2sec cast and you're only healing 5 people... maybe dwayna's kiss would be better? Driggy 15:32, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Could I ask why people call the Shadow Form eles 'terras', when they only have one earth magic skill?Stryk the Lightning 20:00, 22 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Its because they eveolved from OF tanks, using a large amount of earth magic skills to negate damage. The builds changed to SF because it was faster and easier to work with. Life Guardian 21:11, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Could you use a terra to solo bits of FoW for shards etc? Natsopaani 05:18, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Who takes care of shard wolf on the beach? and who clears the way for tower mage? If im not misstaking he will get atcked by foes.Dumbo 06:14, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Shard wolf on beach gets taken care of by terra2, tower mage doesnt get attacked, and terra 1 clears the way, we did it in 30 mins on our 1st 2 runs lol, it was quite epic. User:Pits Me 12:14, 23 August 2008 (GMT)

why does this not work anymore?  ℓγssάή is  ѕяѕ  вѕήѕ   21:07, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * UA nerf totally pwned it, plus there are better team builds capable of doing FOW 33% faster.

22 Minutes is pretty damn fast, maybe it shouldn't be archived. 129.237.52.176 22:01, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Especially since it can get faster still Lau  [[Image:User_Athrun_Feya_Hamster.png‎ ]] ( athrun | feya ) 22:32, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

< Proof why it isn't archived anymoar. The switch from E/A to A/E might make the run a little longer, but in the long run (no pun intended) it will work just fine ;) M a <font color="Purple">g <font color="#DA70D6">ne <font color="Purple">t <font color="#8B008B">o <font color="Black">x

if anyone wants to run this with me i have some candy apples & pumpkin pies just pm me in game at sithis malidector or ixl ecro ixlEcroEcro 19:14, 22 December 2008 (EST)

So...now that Halloween is over, looks like you cant do this any more .....--72.189.85.14 02:15, 23 December 2008 (EST)
 * nevermind, i'm dumb. But a halfway smart question, does it still work with the nerf to con-sets. namely the Essence of Celerity.--72.189.85.14 02:17, 23 December 2008 (EST)
 * as well as the very recent nerf to Shadow Form.--72.189.85.14 02:21, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Does this still work?
cause of nerf to SF? -- —Daɽkɘʃʂ   ӍcÇɧɽiʂtmaʂmonǥɘɼ . 15:51, 23 December 2008 (EST)
 * Not as well as it once did, but it is still very effective in FoW clears and it boasts (with good players mind you) the ability to clear in 30 mins. [[Image:Magnetoxsigpic2.jpg|25px]]<font color="Black">M <font color="#8B008B">a <font color="Purple">g <font color="#DA70D6">ne <font color="Purple">t <font color="#8B008B">o <font color="Black">x

The A/E's
Where Do both the A/E's Go? -- Maybe a map would help people to allow them to keep the 30-35min FoW runs Going? ( Just a thought ) I Monk FoW SC so i dont know were they go if you can possibly help would be gretaky appriecated ty. --Cookie™ (Talk |Contribs) 14:10, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 * There were maps but the whole team descrip was deleted by some fucktard 14:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)
 * perhaps someone should add them again because as it is right now only people who have done it know what to do.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">I know Paragons. Shut up and listen [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 14:37, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Made this ages ago when I did it in the summer. Explaining to every new terra is effort. Some things may be a bit innacurate as it was written before the SF nerf, and the times are off because of the lack of damage with sins. Andy 14:56, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Omg duud add it in that's great. Just remove the times and its g2g. I'll make one for the team when i'm not so lazy. 13:12, 10 January 2009 (EST)

This is a stub
What the fuck? 76.92.223.7 02:02, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 * Your surprised? Check the Terras -.- Andy 14:58, 5 January 2009 (EST)

this...
needs a usage write-up. i don't do fow, someone care to? otherwise people won't have any idea what to do, just the builds. -- <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">17:16, 14 January 2009 

yh i have been wanting to do this for sometime but there's no usage and no one i know does this so i second that call ^^ 92.2.97.136 13:25, 15 January 2009 (EST) (Farming Ftw)

Feigned Neutrality
Is stupid. I've done terra (as ele) lots of times without Feigned or even any extra armor for forest. Bring "By Ural's Hammer!" instead. Ironboot 12:39, 16 January 2009 (EST)
 * Hundred's blades goes through shadow form. 15:18, 16 January 2009 (EST)
 * The terras won't be anywhere near Shadow Warriors...Except during the run from the Tower of Strength to forge, but they won't be able to hit you enough to pose a real threat. Ironboot 17:32, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Usage
for the main team usefull? <font color="Orange">Fox007  21:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll write it up and fix the images soon Andy 22:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Main Tank
Main team tank is A/me, yet the equip says +3 Inspiration and +1 Fast Cast for runes.  Fawx  07:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Whoever put the old build up there deserves to be shot. Andy 16:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * LOD build fixing squad GO!  Fawx [[Image:FawxSig.gif]] 01:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

RoJ's
Don't think this build needs all those mesmer variants when everybody just takes 4 RoJ Mo/Me anyways. Quadzor 21:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, think we shud just make a main bar of RoJ, Echo, Cry and BUH then just make a large list of variants for snaring. 88.106.58.253 19:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * YMLaD! and Epidemic, gogo Athrun Feya 22:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

New Team not This one
Anybody care to rewrite it for the 4 RoJ HB MT T1 and T2 builds? casue nobody runs this oneGeneralmurgahn 23:10, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really seen what good people are using, but seen a few pretty terrible looking roj bars floating about - would be good if somebody added some decent ones here. I've not tried it so don't really know what works well. The terras and mainteam guide are still pretty accurate. Andy 00:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The only reason why no one runs this is because they all suck. This is what they SHOULD be running.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 00:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Easiest?
Hey guys, just wondering if you could clear this up for me :P

Which build is easiest to acquire (whilst being a sin) Easiest to survive (Allowing for more mistakes) Less dependant (If you mess up, will it cause everyone else to die)

And which build is the opposite, hardest. Thanks =]
 * If you can maintain SF at all, terra2 is going to be your best bet, but khobay is a little tricky. All three sin builds require you to live. If you die, the team is pretty much fucked. Exception would be the situation in which the main tank dies. Hardest is going to be terra1, due to large amounts of AoE from Hydras.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 02:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * For your first couple of times as a terra, make sure your the other terra is experienced so they can cover for you if you fail. Andy 12:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, for me T1 is the easiest mainly because the hydras actually arent hard at all. For me, killing the first shard wolf in T2 is harder than all of T1.  Also, khobay took time for me to learn him and so did the wolf but on T1 i did it first time and havent failed since cause its poop easyGeneralmurgahn 22:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments and other methods
At the bottom of the usage there's this section. It's rather poorly written and sounds like a bunch of suggestions that were meant for the talk page. Remove/rewrite it? Toraen 14:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed it, pasting below. Andy 15:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments and other methods :


 * 1) Tank build can really find more useful than i am unstoppable for just some trap who can be avoided.

shadow sanctuary could be very useful if u go a/me and also a hex to call with.

some how any way a/e grasping earth + sliver is much better so he kill him self forest wolf and do the deep freeze work. with a good hex caller it go just smooth.


 * 1) all roj can also be mesmer/monk: fast cast roj cryers :


 * 16 fast cast
 * 12 smiting prayers
 * 3 inspiration

-sequence: (make sure to dispatches usefulls hex at eatch players and always call them so you dont hex twice a monster for no shit !) caller : precast mimic + cast: roj+roj + hex + echo + cry+cry + signets non callers :precast echo + cats : roj+roj + mimic + roj + cry + signets +rez if needed ... rez fast

of course they can also be pure fast cast cryers...

have fun

Training
Hai guys, Just wondering if there a way to trainf ro this without joining a full team, messing up, and feeling bad. And its hard to find a group that lets you come when they find out that you're inexped xDD

Is it possible to try to solo it yourself, or with a 'teaching' sin for tera 1? I've got the shadfowform build down, but not the run for FOW lol =[

Thanks very much =o[[User:Bob] 11:50, 9 April 2009(UTC)
 * For t1, you can do both the book quest and the burning forest quest without a team, just enter fow in hm, knock up a conset and go. You can't practise the third quest, but all you do is standing around killing with sliver - nothing tricky about it. For t2, you need the mainteam to take both your quests so you can't really practise that - just make sure you are with somebody good that can cover for you if you fail. Andy 14:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You and others say go with an experienced person, but.. Does that mean take one less monk and another terra 1, or what? :S! Please explain that ^_^ [[User:Bob] 16:50, 9 April 2009(UTC)
 * What he is saying is make sure your t2 (or t1, depending on what you are not), is experienced so that if you die, the other terra can cover for you.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 15:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Mhmm, okay thanks. How do you know people have asked new questions :S! Is there a well known guild that allows beginners to participate?
 * And must i use all three conset items at once? -- Bob
 * Not that I know of. Your best bet would be to get a friend to show you it(you die and watch) and then try it solo. Then go pug until you get it right. For t1, you do need all 3. You could probably ge by with just essence for t2, but a full set helps.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 16:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So.... Ya up for it ? ^_^ Want to come along and show me what to do, i'll ofc bring the consets =\ I followed a video and it does a lot more than waht the picture displays on this wiki article :S
 * Well, I can't show you now because my good computer is being repaired. The map on this page is what you should follow.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 17:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Videos
Are there any High Def (Or high quality) videos out there with the different builds on them?... Youtube has a lot of videos, but all are barely ledagble... Thanks =] And i'm wondering, why no one picks up their drops? :S!!
 * Don't know of any, but if needed I can make one. People are only interested in shards and obsidian edges. Andy 22:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol please make some if possible. Also, there's not a guide for skill usage of Main tank in thedescription, for instance i have no clue when to make iuse of the skill unstoppable sadly. Any suggestions? XD -- If you do plan to record, are you able to show the minimap to further help?
 * IaU is for general damage reduction and triggering traps (use iau, DE and feigned for traps). Don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes (~) . Andy 22:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Video soon then maybe Athrun Feya 22:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Founds some videos, they're not perfect, but pretty close Athrun Feya 12:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Shadow Form
Don't you need Glyph of Swiftness & Deadly Paradox to keep up Shadow Form? Just read that they use Consumables, my bad. Xunlai Shadow Agent 14:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Ele
Can do it, and does it well. Don't remove the build. 88.104.124.216 10:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lots of builds "work" but PvX always chooses (or should always choose) the optimum build to avoid an endless ream of mediocre variants on every team build (e.g. dervish cryer). Since the ele build is inferior in both damage and cast-speed compared to the mes/monk builds, there's no reason for it to be there. Athrun Feya 12:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is. It's about time people started realizing that other professions can do stuff. Leave it there. 88.104.124.216 19:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Zzz, no. Your edits will now be breaking 1RV.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 19:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Goddamn it. I bloody well hate that policy. That build should stay up there. It's not good, fair, nor in the gaming spirit for classes that CAN do it not being able to. If the build stays up, perhaps eles will stay in the meta? I can think of several people that would be happy indeed if that were the case 88.104.94.252 08:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you read what I even put? we list the optimum builds only to avoid a myriad of lesser builds on every page. As soon as we add a sub-par ele build,someone will be asking for a FoC necro,or a dervish cryer,so this is why it must be left as it is. Athrun Feya 12:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're also welcome to make your own version of this build on your userspace and -then- try and convince people it is better, instead of just changing an already fine-tuned build. Remember that just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should. And just because pugs use a build, doesn't make it better - these builds are slightly edited version of the builds belonging to those who held the previous fowsc record. Athrun Feya 16:31, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

build improvement
funny how when i read the ele section you say that you want to keep only the best build ...

true?

then why when people put update to this build that is completly outdated and no very well concepted anyway you delete them ....?

this build is completly to redo... it has been done before the SF nerf and before 100 blade buff... and have had some realy small update but not the most important ones...

way to be more focus on the autorithy than the efficiency...

well ...let hope someone is patient enough to remake one ... advice to beginner ...dont folow this as a bible ;)
 * You really should sign, and discuss major changes to a vetted build so you don't get whoru'd. It'd also helps people understand why it's an improvement or not if it's discussed first. Toraen   talk  23:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you on something? This build, exactly how it is, can get 16 minutes if not better. Tell me how your shitty ele and other bad contributions are somehow making that better?  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 05:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ELE'S SLIVER DOES BIGGER DOMMAGE. NUFF SAID.  Fawx [[Image:FawxSig.gif]] 04:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fawx, you fail. He wanted a fire ele to take place of a cryer. Go look at history.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 04:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

This isn't what the majority of teams run on FOWSC. Regardless of what some guilds may or may not run if you want to follow the PvE meta this build needs adjustment. Selket Shadowdancer 12:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Is 'meta' the stuff every PuG and his dog runs, or slightly more refined builds run by guild teams who get consistently decent times. I raised this else where but no-one seems to know. Anyway, it does mention about 4 RoJ under that part.  <font color="SeaGreen">athrunfeya [[Image:User_Athrun_Feya_sig_image.jpg]] <font color="SeaGreen">speaks  10:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say both to be honest. When you go into ToA and see a specific build being run by a majority its obviously the most popular and favoured for PuGs. I couldnt see a PuG co-ordinating a build like this, though it is good for guild runs. Good groups can do pretty quick times with RoJ Cryers. Perhaps make a different article for the PuG ROJ version? As I've seen alot of Permas run A/E Grasping Earth builds alot lately too which are more reliable if a Terra fails as they normally pack Sliver too. Selket Shadowdancer 11:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Like i said, depends if we want keep optimum builds, pug friendly builds, or both. Most other elites have the same kind of issues.  <font color="SeaGreen">athrunfeya [[Image:User_Athrun_Feya_sig_image.jpg]] <font color="SeaGreen">speaks  12:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Main Tank brings sliver not really to cover for the terras but to kill the wolf in forest. Sometimes the tank than dies and gets UA'd down instead of running all the way around, its really a matter of preference.<font color="blue" size="2px">(pr0adam) [[Image:Healers Boon adam.jpg|19px]] 23:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I know that, I MT. Read what I said more carefully. I didn't say it was the reason it was bought I said it was a good reason to bring it. Selket Shadowdancer 21:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Should make a separate page for the PUG version. I don't care enough to do it though. PVX-Ironboot 12:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Judge's Insight
why? for wanding? 95.33.25.152 20:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's for the Splinter Barrage ranger. Toraen   talk  20:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Soooo
The update didn't nerf the RoJ variant. At all. You just have to actually pay attention and get everyone to line up and go when the perma uses grasping earth.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick."  08:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Archive?
Most people just run manlyspike, and there are casterspikes that are far better than this around, if you're not a fan of manly spike. These haven't been updated since the CoP nerf in like july(?), and are looking pretty weak. <font color="Red">A <font color="Black">ndy 19:21, January 22, 2010 (UTC)