Archive talk:E/W Arenas Searing Flames

Ditch aura and tak glyph. Otherwise this looks surprisingly decent =\--Golden Star 10:25, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * In my opinion Aura fits better, because on one hand it covers the Attunement and on the other it doesnt break the flow. But as its a question of risk, style and situation, i'll take the glyph as Variant. :) --ChloeCoozie 11:28, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Go 4+1 or 7+1 water for steam breakpoint. Brandnew.  10:31, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * 12/10/8 imo. Brandnew.  10:37, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * or 12/8/10. Brandnew.  10:38, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * 7+1 drops points from Energy Storage, that are essential for e-management. You can overplay the 2 secs after blind-duration with meteor, shield bash or simply your positioning. --ChloeCoozie 11:28, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's an SF ele, you shouldn't have any energy problems ;) Also; Energy storage is never energy management. ;) Brandnew.  12:03, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * 5E+1E for every 2 ranks of Energy Storage--ChloeCoozie 12:15, 7 December 2008 (EST)

You might still want GoLE, tbh. You can save 25 energy every 30 seconds. ــмıкε нaшк  12:42, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * I had no problems with the Energy, you may replace the Aura with GoLE for a real SF-Spam, but that wasnt my aim at all. Keep in mind that it's an only-RA build.--ChloeCoozie 12:49, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Dropped fire to 14, not sure why it had 15. Better atts overall.  12:53, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Because thsi is ra without balled up foes, isn't just essentially a build with slightyl higher dps than flare spamming + burning? And shield bash on any crap works. Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 13:02, 7 December 2008 (EST)

I have to agree with Luke on this one :S  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  13:05, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well i have experienced, that at least 70% of all melees share their target. Also; if nobody balls, why do ppl play deathblossom, dervs in general aso.? :O --ChloeCoozie 13:30, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * I agree with people in RA balling, but people run death blossom because it has a 2 second recharge and dervs cuz they hit for 130 damage a hit. Rawrawr Dinosaur 13:31, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Because it's big damage, and more DPS than this build tbh. Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 13:40, 7 December 2008 (EST)


 * If all melees have one-and-thesame target (you), isn't it better to block 75% of the attacks (ala Disciplined or smthing like that), rather than merely one (Shield Bash)? -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] Srs Beans R Srs  13:43, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * usually Sb is enough in ta with good teamates, but a stance is usually used with it when in ra unless you have anti-melee on your bar. Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk

GoD's vote
Discuss. 13:36, 7 December 2008 (EST)


 * iz tru thb -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] Srs Beans R Srs  13:39, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * made me cry so far ^^--C h l o e  13:44, 7 December 2008 (EST)

hmm
shieldbashnerfbattiems? Long  Cat  14:08, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * shield bash has been meta on casters for months. izzy doesnt care, he /wrists already. 14:11, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Luke's Vote
wow... comparing SF to flare. SF is AoE and does about triple the damage, energy isnt a problem. Causes 7 second burning, wtf lol. "Little" blind, which steam+GoI water eles also take and still is effective. 15:16, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * His point is that AoE in RA is pointless, and you have to cast SF 2x to get the damage.  15:17, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * SF isnt that strong in ra, tested it alot there--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  15:43, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * didn't you jsut call em an idiot for saying that on my talk page? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 15:46, 7 December 2008 (EST)

wtfx you guys
This isnt my build anymore, i dont want the GolE around, i want the damn Aura for certain said reasons!--C h l o <font color="#3CB46B">e </tt> 16:31, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Aura is bad. It's a one skill change, why you're getting all upset over it I don't know. -- 16:32, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wouldnt be a problem, if you'd give arguments.--<font color="#C8A04B">C <font color="#A5A553">h <font color="#82AA5B">l <font color="#5FAF63">o <font color="#3CB46B">e </tt> 16:46, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * And it never was your build tbh.  16:36, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * PvX:OWN. Also, self heal in RA isn't needed. Without a monk it wont make you get 5-10 wins, and with a monk ittl be useless. GoLE provides far more damage (more sf = more win), and if your attune gets stripped it allows you to last until the end of the game. Gringo 16:54, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * If you have strong group you can get 10 wins easy without a monk--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  16:56, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Wammos are invincible, so hope you get teamed with 3 of them. XD ــмıкε  нaшк  16:58, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * @Relyk, and you think having aura for that one time you will get a strong group is worth not being able to spam SF during the games when its monk v monk? hardly a good tradeoff. its better with gole. Gringo 17:07, 7 December 2008 (EST)


 * How can it be monk v monk when you have a strong team without Monks? O-o Loool -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  17:33, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * Because they aren't real Monks. =O ــмıкε  нaшк  17:35, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * reread what i said, its 2 different situations. dont just scan what people say and then try and throw in your "funny" 2cents worth. Gringo 17:36, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * You can win 10 matches easy with a strong team and no self-heals--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  18:20, 7 December 2008 (EST)

but self heals are manly... 18:24, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * ^ u made me lol--Aura 19:07, 7 December 2008 (EST)


 * its beautiful...[[Image:Lann-Revive Animal.jpg|19px]] Long  Cat  20:13, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * You're a fucktard jebus =\--<font color=#C68E17>Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]<font color=#C68E17>Star 21:12, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * You had a healer stupid--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  21:54, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * I can go with this now, i was just fucked up by the fact, that someone just removed everything about the Aura instead of keeping it as a variant.

Why the hell is this even vetted? Damage through casters in the arena's is bad, because of the fact that people take a bar with a skill called 'd-shot', that clears all damage! —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  16:33, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Most people in RA don't know how to use d-shot. I can't remember the last time a ranger actually rupted me in RA (but I don't play it much). [[Image:Surprise.png|19px]]<small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:MS Sans Serif;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:black;background-color:white;padding:0px 5px 2px 6px;"> Karate  Jesus   16:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)

CM compatible
i use this at CM,and it is really powerfull,anyone thinking of adding that to the build?,just remove Res siggy for either a self heal or glyph of lesser energy,it destroys everything with ease (why do i always forget to log in...user:Deadfalk)

Old as a Mountain
I do not know why I did not see this earlier, but we have two SF builds that primarily function the same. This one is older and has weird mainbarred skills. I'm thinking to archive this and rewrite the newer one so it is for RA and has a Ressurection Signet. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   14:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This is never run, like ever. Eles in RA run Stoning or Mind Burn/Blast or Lightning Surge(for some fucking reason I can never get). <font color="Black">Miharo 15:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen a few bad people running SF. (Also Lsurge w/ Orb is mad damage vs shitter 4040set camping eles. :>) Pew   Pew ♥   15:37, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The key word is "bad" :D <font color="Black">Miharo 15:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Seconded, for archive. Dacookiemaster 02:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)