PvXwiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 10

Rating Watchlist
So that every time a build on your watchlist gets another rating, it can alert you. 12:51, 4 January 2009 (EST)
 * Actually a pretty good idea. Or allow watching ratings pages.  Not sure how much coding either option would require though.  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  13:06, 4 January 2009 (EST)

The rule that a build with PvE-only skills can't have a hero tag.
Let's get rid of it :> 217.120.228.192 10:05, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's not a rule, you just better have a viable hero version without the PvE skills. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  10:08, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Okay, lets take this build as an example. It doesn't have any pve-only skills in the main bar, so it can have a hero tag. But no one would take a warrior hero, would they? Ask Anonimous. Brandnew.  10:10, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * What Misery said. So long as the PvE-only skills aren't essential to the build's function (ie Imbagon) then there's no reason you can't have a hero tag with suggestions for replacement skills in Variants. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 10:17, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * That doesn't support your point, it's an opposite point. Also, that's a pretty bad build. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  10:17, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Cleave is worse, but that's another thing altogether. Also, this is becoming quite a discussion, where should we move this to?Pika Fan  05:44, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * What? It's like 5 points, it's hardly a huge discussion. If you mean discussions about Cleave, they should probably go on builds with Cleave in them. The Community Portal talk page is actually for these kinds of discussions that don't belong anywhere else such as site direction and possible policy changes. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  05:48, 30 January 2009 (EST)

HELP
Hey, I couldn't find the right place for this, but I am having problems with my login. I can't rate any builds because my email address in not verified, when I try to mail the code, I never get the mail... Please can someone help me or refer me to the right place... P.S. I meet all requirements for rating except the email address... Thanks Anwyn 05:35, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * We have issues with this occasionally due to our servers sucking ass. The two things you can do is keep trying or make a gmail account and try that. For reasons unknown gmail accounts tend to work. It's only for verifying email for voting so don't worry, you'll never have to use the email account again. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  05:41, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Archived Build wiping
Some builds are completely obsolete, even for an archived build. Stuff from 2006 may have been the meta back then but the question is, is it really worth keeping as an archived build? A build archived because of a meta shift three years ago is all but forgotton. There would be exceptions, like really famous builds (shadow prison, boonprot) but the archived build section is pretty huge. Discuss. 21:05, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 * Since PvX is about tracking metas, i'd say yes it is. You can learn a lot about the history of HA and GvG and how the current metas developed and why from the old builds--Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]Star 21:07, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 * The purpose of a wiki is to record information so that if someone wants to see it they can., Since the builds worked at one time I'd say that they are worth keeping. ﮎHædõ๘  یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 00:48, 5 February 2009 (EST)

If it's worth keeping all the crap everybody has posted over the years (talk page archives) I say it's definitely worth keeping the builds.  Ricky vantof  01:18, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * what about those archived that were merely acceptable? Barely making the cut shouldn't count towards history.  Big  [[Image:Big McMonkey.png|19px]]  McMonkey  01:20, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * To be honest those builds shouldn't have been kept outside the userspace. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 01:21, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * Don't we only archive great builds?  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  01:24, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * I hate you Ricky. If that's the case, then I suppose that's fine.  Big  [[Image:Big McMonkey.png|19px]]  McMonkey  01:25, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * we auto-archive Great (so if they get nerfed out of existance and were in great we archive it). However we sometimes Archive good builds, but only at a community consensus.  ~ PheNaxKian Sysop   03:48, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * I dunno. Frvv or however you spell his name has been going around and removing a lot of votes off of builds, making once-great builds into good builds.  Doesn't that have some bearing on this topic?  Big  [[Image:Big McMonkey.png|19px]]  McMonkey  03:57, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * yes, because we discuss if good builds should be archied =p. This allows someone to say "it was in great a couple of days ago, but that nerf hit it quite hard so some votes got removed, and others lowered their rating, so it should be archived".  ~ PheNaxKian Sysop   04:01, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * even considering the fact that I wasn't able to revote on some of my reverted votes? Big  [[Image:Big McMonkey.png|19px]]  McMonkey  04:04, 5 February 2009 (EST)
 * What? You should have...  06:27, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Some builds need to stay in archive - only the epic ones. Cripshot, touch ranger, shadow prison sin - all the stuff that survived meta after meta and changed the game simply by existing. The bad gimmicks that existed for a week before getting nerfed or fixed I don't care about - they just clog up the archive section and honestly don't teach anything other than "run gimmicks 2 win lol." But under no circumstances should we remove builds like cripshot or shadow prison from the wiki's database. I actually read OP's post this time, agreed. - Auron 06:35, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Well, in the end, the fact is that the archive is, well, an archive. That is, the fact that it would get larger as time passes is trivial. I fail to see how having a large and growing archive is something bad. In fact, it only shows that builds are actually getting archived, being replaced by newer ones. If anything, it shows progress. &mdash; Rapta (talk|contribs) 19:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Dopple
i'm looking for a rt build to beat doppleganger in prophesies. no idea where to find one, sorry if this is in the wrong place...
 * This is definitely the wrong place, but I can try to help. If you can have a /Me secondary then just use empathy and pve skills and don't attack. The dopple will literally kill himself (as long as you don't bring a heal). Or if you can go /N use insidious parasite and use the same concept. Or at the very least, go /R and bring pet skills only. The dopple can't have a pet. Hope that helped. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→16:07, 11 February 2009 - )
 * Frenzy + Primal Rage >:3 Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 17:01, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * Lol...funny but unpractical. I don't know why any rit would cap Primal Rage just for the dopple. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→17:14, 11 February 2009 - )

List of bosses
For pages such as Archive:E/A Sliver Boss Farmer, listing the bosses leaves a gigantic space in the page which could be fixed by moving the section to a separate page and linking it. Something like Guide:E/A Solo Green Farmer Bosses page to list all the bosses and not leave it on the article page.--Relyk 18:42, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think a subpage would be better for that, and I think it's been done before (cba to find an example though). Build:E/A Solo Green Farmer/Soloable Bosses? [[Image:ToraenSig1.jpg]]  Toraen  Dirt to da face!  22:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Nvm, bad idea. [[Image:ToraenSig1.jpg]]  Toraen  Dirt to da face!  07:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually the suggestion was perfectly reasonable, it's actually what I would have said, Toraen =). Just make a sub page (so "/bosses")  ~ PheNaxKian Sysop   12:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The archive of Bosses for that build (pre-SF nerf) was changed to a though. [[Image:ToraenSig1.jpg]]  Toraen   Dirt to da face!  19:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * fixed =p  ~ PheNaxKian Sysop   20:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * it now also shows up here <font color="Orange">Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 11:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

kill off the other builds
Nobody runs them, and the wiki is designed to preserve the "highest quality builds". 21:59, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * Bump. 22:13, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * wrong, the wiki is designed to be a database of builds...besides if you want to get rid of other, bring it up if (when) we move to wikia, it'll save time then if everyone agrees. <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   14:46, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * No, for the same reason Phen said. We're a database of builds and what's the purpose in having an "other" rank if we don't have any other builds? [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">14:48, 18 February 2009 - )
 * Cause nobody friggin runs "other" builds. :/ 21:35, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * let me try again. We're not a host for metabuilds. We're a build database, that means as long as it's somewhat usable (e.g it' not a trash rated build), we'll keep it. Besides, the other section has uses other than holding builds nobody runs. People can use it to see what's wrong with various builds, and when they get to doing there's, they can try and avoid the same mistake. <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian  <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   06:24, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Raise the bar to 3.0? While we're at it, making bm votes count for 300% would keep a higher quality that too, although I know that would backfire on me. -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 06:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * BM votes counting for 3 people would dramatically impact builds with low amounts of votes compared to 200%--relyk 16:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That a good or bad thing? -- -Ch  ao  s-   16:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Why
were all the user names moved to PvX-?--Relyk 16:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Theoretically, the ones that were already taken got "PvX-" prefixed so that they wouldn't cause problems. Angela was offering to move them like she did with mine, Misery's, etc, but since Gcard actually moved the site within like 48 hours of posting the notice, not everyone got the chance to post their request. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 16:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, and i already left my name there, and the bot just moved a ton of user names to PvX- prefix, i was already confirmed.--Relyk 16:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

old untested builds
i've brought it up on the community portal, with little input. The people involved seemed interested in anycase. Basically we add a template to untested builds that have been in untested for 3 weeks or more. This tag adds the build to a category with other builds that haven't been tested yet. This will allow users to see which builds need vetting urgently. You can see an idea for the template here. If it goes ahead i can see if TOR can create a spacial page for it, similar to Grace Expired. <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   17:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, this wouldn't be an addition to real vetting at all would it? [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   17:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Update needed tag
I can't find it. Did we get rid of it at some point? Toraen 05:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course. Nvm. Toraen 17:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

User badges - new feature!
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TeamBuilder
How about a converter to convert the GwBBcode output into mini skill bars to avoid uploading images? D: -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Newbie builds
In my guild, and with many of the newbie players I meet, there seems to be a massive wanting for newbie builds, and currently PvX has no way of handling these builds? Would it be possible to ask for a "Starter Build" category on the wiki? The builds would need to contain skills available at a certain level, and the builds should have a recommended level range as well, e.g. this build is an E/* build recommended from level 1-10.

It's really a completely uncovered build area that would live perfectly on PvX. I'm a black-belt mediawiki Template builder, so I'll easily develop the needed templates myself, if need be. What do you think?

--Soeren Staun 16:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you use any of the uber builds on here (WE Axe, Cripshot, Imbagon), its pretty hard to go wrong. Regardless, noobs will not use the build at its full potential, and will take time to learn things like stance canceling. But no build is really easier than another; if you take WE axe without frenzy, you'll still eventually have to learn to frenzy cancel if you want to use the build effectively. [[Image:Jebus.JPG|66px]] 19:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * We've had this come up a few times before. We've always said no for a variety of reasons, the 2 main ones are:
 * PvE is relatively easy, even more so when you're just starting out, there's no need to have a specific build, you just chuck on what skills you have and kill crap, and eventually get a couple of more skills.
 * The whole suggestion goes against PvX:WELL, builds for lower end PvE will be inferior.
 * However i can give you a couple of suggestions:
 * We have a guide section (accessible by the link on the main page, just below all the News and GW update links). We do have guides for each profession, typically there will be some advice for those that are new to the class (at least the guides that are done/had the majority of the work done).
 * If you seriously want to post Newbie builds, you are free to do so, provided it's within you're User space (e.g. User:Sstaunb/Newbie build 1), PvX code would support what you tell it (so you can say this is a build designed for an E/* of level 1-10, then make a build like you would if you were submitting it to the build namespace (except you'd take into account the skill and attribute constraints)).
 * <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   20:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea we really dont mind if you make the low level builds for yourself and others to see, just dont try and post them the namespace since thats not what we are looking for and they will be welled. Its hard to put a definition on what makes a build "nooby" since it is different for everyone, but if it doesnt have an elite, or non max attributes for no reason, o its meant for lower leel players keep it on your page.Xxunrealxx1 20:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Strategy
While usage and equipment and such is on a normal format, there should be an advanced usage section, like a strategy or tips section for the build, specific to that build. Stuff like knocklocking and especially tips on GvG or HA builds. Should be more than "rape, redbar, kill stuff" imo--Relyk 02:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This should answer your question <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   11:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * tl;dr D: If you're referring to tab, if people are smart enough to not need usage or anything for team builds, that's assuming people who GvG/HA, etc. are experienced with strategy already imo. Although the only builds pvx keeps are ripped off guilds using them so there wouldn't be a point. I'd be interested in reading about strategy and tips for build setups like the current meta builds and team builds even though I don't gvg or ha, but I guess that's just me. I doubt there's anyone who cba to actually do anything like that. Can't there just be pages for tips and strategies for each build that anyone can add to? And the guide pages severely lacking in common strategies for each profession.--Relyk 01:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I cant see skills images
when I'm looking a build, i cant see the skills images, just the name, i wait the page to load but still beeing the same, btw, i use Mozilla firefox 3

Thank you and congratz for this amazing site!
 * I use FF too and I would recommend updating to the latest version of firefox. If that doesn't work, try using Google Chrome. I haven't had any issues with it since we changed sites. [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">18:25, 6 May 2009

Builds that Only Include Skills from Specific Campaigns
I've been looking at this site for a while now, and I've noticed that pretty much every build on here has skills from either Factions or Nightfall. I've been looking for a build for an Elementalist, and I only have EotN and Prophecies, yet none of the builds I ever see have only skills from those campaigns. I don't have Factions or Nightfall, although i'd really like them, and it annoys me not to be able to find anything that will fit me. How can I find builds for these, and can someone recomend me a good Proph/EotN Elementalist build? Oh and by the way, if you could show me one for PvP and one for PvE, I'd greatly appreciate it. More interested in the PvP build, though. Thanks
 * Don't plan on PvPing beyond AB or RA if you don't have Factions and NF. There's some links on the front page for Prophecies-only builds. Other than that, you're gonna have to get creative. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  20:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure you still can run Shock Axe D: Brandnew 20:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He/She is only looking for builds for an ele. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:38, 3 June 2009
 * Run it on an ele.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 20:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You never understood the braveness of a E/W shock axe, did you? Brandnew 20:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You just gave me an erection. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:42, 3 June 2009

Little icons not displaying
For some reason my browsers aren't displaying the small recharge, energy, casting time, adrenaline and upkeep icons when I hover over skills in a build. (The little box that pops up when your mouse hovers over a skill displays everything except the mini-icons.) I've tried Firefox, IE and Chrome to no avail. Firefox used to display them, but for some reason no longer does. Has anyone else experienced this before, or can anyone think of a solution? I tried clearing my cache, too. Ender A 00:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've noticed the same thing too, over the last few days <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  00:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's working fine for me. Are you using Firefox? Life Guardian 00:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  00:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you even read like, anything he said? Drahgal Meir 00:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Feya never said she was using FF. Also, it doesn't work on my FF. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  00:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Same. I'm still sitting on 3.0, though, since 3.5 has a ton of color issues because Mozilla decided to go and fag it up with some useless color management system. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 16:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is really annoying. :/ Ender A 00:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I wonder if it has to do with the database move. I don't think I've seen them since. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 17:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. When we moved to wikia they forgot to update the location of all the icons in mediawiki.css, it's fixed now (thanks to an observant user). just clear you're cache and you'll be fine. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  21:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes! The icons are back! Oh, how I've missed them. --Ender A 02:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

HB/TA Builds
I'd like peoples opinions on what to do with TA and HB builds when they're removed from GW (e.g. would you like to archive them all, archive only the great and the odd notable good or just delete them all etc.). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  19:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Archive. Edit: Archive it all, with the vetting update we don't save much horrible stuff anyways. Also, I damn you for ruining my "First", I was waiting for you to finish editing before doing that. -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Archive most of the ones that actually saw play. Anything that was just vetted on theorycraft should be deleted. Life   Guardian  19:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just archive it all, HB was retarded. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   17:54, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * it was in fact so retarded that i could lose to 3 IW dervs and an IW mes :< Brandnew 17:57, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * bring more snares! also, i'd only archive great. who the cares about anything that wasn't abused to fuck? ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 18:33, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Suppress Redirect
Suppressing Redirects is moving pages without leaving a redirect behind. Angela said here that it's possible, but allows for pagemove vandalism. My suggestion is to allow it to registered users who have made X contributions, and just banhammer people who abuse it. -- -Ch  ao  s-   20:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Do we want Suppress Redirect?
 * 2) Is limiting the authorization possible? I'd suppose it can easily be allowed to the same people that are allowed to vote.
 * Why exactly do we need it? If the admins do their jobs, then they should be able to do what GWW does and just delete the redirects (however, assuming that admins will do their jobs here is a pretty big "IF"). [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:49, 8 September 2009
 * How many pages are moved on GWW? Honestly a LOT of pages are moved around here, and leaving a redirect is sometimes a good idea (for pages that have lots of links to them). Besides I bet GWW people tag every moved page for deletion, unlike here. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  20:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I do it when I cba, but there's so many of them :> if people l2watchlist it shouldn't even be necessary. I move considerably less pages than I would, because I hate redirects over all. -- -Ch  ao  s-   20:55, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Nah, fuck it. You don't need it. I don't even use it.  <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   21:07, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:11, 8 September 2009

I can't think of a time I wanted to not have a redirect, except in the main namespace. Most of the time, I've created redirects, if anything. ··· 22:44, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * it would primarily be used for misnamed builds or something I would assume. You're still capable of leaving a redirect if you want (you just don't check the box that says "suppress redirect"). Ignoring point one in any cayse, it is possiable to restrict it to a certain degree; it's a case of saying people in a given user group can have it. In this case you're wanting people who can vote, which would be people in auto confirmed (so the account is ~4 days old and made ~4 contributions). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  22:54, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * The only reason I see for not having it is not needing it, but I'd imagine, at least on this wiki, having it would probably do more good than bad in the end. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 23:06, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * @KJ up there: Template:Miniskillbar. Over a month old tag. There's even older tags than that one, too. Big "IF" indeed. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  14:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't do our jobs :> [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   15:18, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye. Having Suppress Redirect will ofc and undoubtedly be useful, but do you consider it being available for autoconfirmed users a risk? The question shouldn't really be if we want it (yes, I know I asked it), but more like if the risks are actual and do we want to take themmmmmmmmmmmmm? -- -Ch  ao  s-   15:32, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Jist take the 10 active users on this stupid site, throw them in a new group, and give them suppress redirect. Life   Guardian  15:38, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably more sensible, I wouldn't trust the masses with it. <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  15:40, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm clearly missing something, but what are you all afraid they'll do with this? >.> <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  16:07, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're not the only one missing it :> Redirect suppression only makes reverting easier. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:21, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't actually understand how it is used for "move vandalism", you would then just move it back instead of having to delete all the redirects. But I oppose to be an asshole. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   16:30, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

being able to suppress redirects on a site people care about could be an issue because temporary page outages. here, no one's gonna give a flying fuck because in the 15 seconds it takes to move a build that anyone has watchlisted back, no one's going to visit it. ··· 20:10, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * If I move say, Relyk's userpage and all the subpages to "Category:åäö", you can't just move it back (because it's a category space), and I don't know how well they can be moved back if the vandal is good. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * the problem there being only admins can "move all subpages". <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  10:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a memory of an IP doing that, but it might've been before the wikia move. Dunno. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:42, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * when we first moved to wikia it was available to everyone, so we had a couple of vandals that targeted BM/Admin pages and moved all subpages. We contacted wikia around then and asked them to make it admin only (which they did). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  10:48, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oki, then I don't think there is anything to stop us from either giving this to autoconfirmed users, or create a new usergroup for those who want it. -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:01, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

bumping this. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:52, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Useful when moving builds tbh.--TheShortOneKlhksjdnfsig.jpg <font color="Blue">$ɧor₮  <font face="comic sans MS" color="teal">talk  19:54, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen none has seen it as a threat, and we have quite many people who support it. What's the problem? -- -Ch  ao  s is  gay -   09:01, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * ^-- -Chaos- (talk) -- 15:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * unless anyone has any reason not to I see no reason you can't have it (or request to have it). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  16:08, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think Angela would mind giving it to autoconfirmed users, since none sees it as a threat and it doesn't allow for serious pagemove vandalism with subpage moving being limited to admins. She already said she could do it if we just agree on it not being dumbbbb. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 16:18, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) ···  Danny   Pew   Pew  20:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) --  -Chaos- (talk) -- 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) --[[Image:Jaigoda_endrant.jpg|/rant]]  Jai  writes  a  lot . . . 20:18, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) <font face="Courier New" color="Black">Toraen <font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 03:19, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Random person says yes. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 06:32, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) --TheShortOneKlhksjdnfsig.jpg <font color="Blue">$ɧor₮   <font face="comic sans MS" color="teal">talk  07:14, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery  <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   06:26, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) not needed now we have a superjanitor - <font color="CornflowerBlue">Athrun <font color="CornflowerBlue">Feya  [[Image:Athrun snow sig.gif]] 10:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how the superjanitor supported it? Maybe he's human too? -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 10:15, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be srsly nice if I didn't have to delete a redirect everytime someone didn't read PvX:NAME. <font face="Courier New" color="Black">Toraen <font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 23:21, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

l2section
Is voting really necessary tho? There's no harm of it and some people want it. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * i figure it'll help coerce the proper people into putting this change into motion. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:23, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought of that too tho, so feel free. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 20:24, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

HB and TA Removal
Ok so TA and HB are going, this means we are going to have to change the front page to remove those sections from view. I believe all the TA and HB builds which are currently vetted should be archived when the update happens (obvious reason is obvious). So when the update comes, Archive HB and TA builds, some builds however will be multi arena (ie ones made for say, RA and TA), in which case, simply remove the TA/HB tag.

Now we are sure that SD is coming tonight too, which will mean we MAY have a lot of people coming here posting SD builds, which I have to say I will be against, I feel we should leave SD builds because of the obvious reasons (constantly changing skill availability and to promote people actually playing SD properly, by making their own builds). I have nothing against people making their own SD builds in their Userspaces but the Build main space should be SD free. Ofcourse, any of you who feel differently or agree, please post, there be a lot of work ahead! --<font color="Black">Frosty  09:51, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree, no SD pages as things currently stand. What may be appropriate is ONE SD page. If as rumours have indicated, decks cycle weekly, then we could have one guide page similar to our Nick item farming guide briefly describing the shape of the meta each week, if anyone can be fucked to update it. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   10:06, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * you don't have too many pages to archive (around 100 in total, which if you have a couple of people working on it is easily done). I've not checked testing and trial builds but i can't see there being loads. Removing the 2 from the front page is easily done. I'm happy with not having a SD section, it would be impractical to do so. I just want to bring to attention the guide section for these areas, what do you want to do with them (and their respective portals)? (we do have an archived guide template so we can "archive" them) Would we also make a SD guide section? (it might just be a case of having maps and tactics and that's it, but would it be worth making). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  10:57, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, archive the TA and HB guides, and make an SD one. I will be happy to help make it. Also misery, maybe it would be a good idea to just have mini skill bars up of "obvious" builds. Even then I think it would be better to just not have anything, because if it comes to the stage where people come to PvX looking for SD builds, we have kinda broken the idea of SD. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 11:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * GOOD! Maybe that will make the fuckers switch to daily decks. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   11:34, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Depending on how the Sealed Deck system works, it would probably be more sensible to have a single guide page about it with the current skills listed in a section near the bottom. It might be beneficial to some people to be able to view the skills available in SD without having to have access to GWs. For instance, Misery and I could discuss builds at work. :> <font face="Courier New">C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?[[Image:Panic_Sig_Cursor.gif]] 12:53, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not a bad idea, I would be happy to update that, it could be called something like "This weeks current deck", kinda depends when it updates per week though. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 12:56, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure how sealed deck works (beyond "here's some skills, make your bars and kill the other team"), but i would imagine having a list of available skills would be quite large, and it could indeed be difficult to update (depending how often they switch skills, I imagine it's weekly (and it has been implied by Linsey this is the case) but they haven't confirmed it). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk 
 * I wouldn't really care how large the list is. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 13:05, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * If there's a certain set of skills per profession/day/week, there's gonna be profession's of the day/week, I'd guess. And that's either bad or good ;o SD meta :> -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Removing TA/HB tags from builds would be the same as deleting single-area tags, since none will ever see that say, a RA monk build was used in TA too. Could the TA/HB categories just be made into some sort of archive categories? Then we'd archive the HB/TA-only builds. It's tricky, but the best for documentation. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:08, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I am fairly sure there are HB and TA categories for archived builds (like there are for every area). --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 13:12, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I pretty much just meant that TA/HB tags wouldn't be removed from builds. Ignore the rest, I'm not in shape of thinking. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:14, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)A good idea would be to make a new version of this for both TA and HB, that way it can be edited to say "Many of the builds listed here were archived due to the removal of TA/HB. Or we could simply edit that template to state some builds are archived due to area removal. Also, ] there you go chaos. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 13:16, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * we can jsut use the current tag and put the reason as "Play type removed" (or how ever you want to word it) <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  13:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I said to start with, then Chaos wanted to make things complicated I think. That's the best idea imo. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 13:29, October 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * "This category contains all builds that were designed for Hero Battles and were once in favor, but were either nerfed into oblivion or replaced by more superior builds." = Issue #1, must mention the game type being removed.
 * Issue #2 is likely fixable by modifying templates into linking the TA-tag to archived builds. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:31, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * All that would need doing is to archive HB and TA builds and leave a note on the Archive page saying "This area was removed on the 23rd of October 2009, due to this, all of the builds that were vetted at the time were archived". --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 13:36, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Modify Great/Good templates to link to TA/HB archives instead of "Great" category? This is assuming we don't just remove tags from builds for areas outside HB/TA AND SCREW UP OUR DOCUMENTATION!!!1 -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 13:47, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * So then we have builds tagged for area's that don't exist, don't think so. If the build was only good/great for the arena it gets archived (if it has an RA tag it stays great in RA), maybe add a note saying "This was Great/Good in TA/HB before it was removed on the 23rd of October". --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 14:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Which goes under the Notes section? I'm fine with that. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 14:03, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Do we really give a shit if people don't know that the RA WoH monk used to also be good in TA? The build will still be recorded. Just remove the TA/HB tags, archive pure builds. The information is still there in a page that hasn't been deleted. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   14:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ Exactly --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 14:15, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Daily, cool. Just let the GWW muppets record shit. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   23:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

hay gais
I know we're all excited for this, but if we wanna make things real easy we could just make the current template display TA and HB in a gray color. We could archive TA- and HB-only builds and leave the rest of the builds the way they are. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:53, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Give me an example of what you mean, I think you mean make it so the TA or HB thing on the great/good tag comes up and gray(and black lets say), but I may have misinterpreted. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 19:59, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

<span style="background: #eee; border: 3px solid #888; display: block;float: left;width: 5em;text-align: center;font-size: 1.1em;font-weight: bold;margin: 1px;color: black;text-decoration: none;"><ul><li style="display: inline;list-style: none;">PvP TA</ul>
 * meh. i can't get the style just right but you get it. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:13, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea that's what I thought, I still think removing the tags is better though. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 20:17, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * its more of an effort to remove the tags, but it only has to be done once, and then its fine forever, so we might as well work our way through it. i remember there was something about adding a tag to every image in the database, and many members were nice enough to help out like KJ and Frosty, we can do the same thing here. Gringo 20:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm goign to agree with gringo, while it's a bit harder, it's better to jsut remove the tags. there still is an "add a tag to all images neccassary", it still needs doing =p (i go through some when i have some time to kill) <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  21:10, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Ok all the HB and TA tags have been removed or builds archived, necessary pages deleted and the main page updated. Is there anything else to do other than a news update maybe? --<font color="Black">Frosty  00:38, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dont think so. All thats left is figuring out if we're going to keep sealed deck builds. Depends if the decks cycle or if it's random every time. Would be pretty difficult to keep track of even if they did cycle. UWSC is also fucked up atm. We need to figure out the new metas for each area. Life   Guardian  00:45, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * I swear UW is only changing for the Haloween event. And we aren't keeping SD builds, they change every week, and I think we should promote build making for such an arena. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 00:47, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Change daily actually. I also doubt that the uwsc changes will be reverted after halloween. Life   Guardian  00:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

User:Karate Jesus/Build Pack Sign-Up. Get working ;o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 19:37, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

unsteady elementalist
build page not working, gives some weird error. this:http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:E/any_Unsteady_Elementalist FMK- 04:07, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. 24.6.127.61 04:41, December 12, 2009 (UTC)