User talk:Crossfirexiv/Overpowered Skill of the Week

You should be in Anet, this is excactly the kind of fucking annoying nerfs they come up with. Frans  10:25, 30 March 2008 (EDT)


 * This isnt Anet... THIS IS SPARTAX [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 11:46, 30 March 2008 (EDT)


 * no u.[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  12:02, 30 March 2008 (EDT)


 * [[Image:No u.jpg]]X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 12:07, 30 March 2008 (EDT)


 * haha.[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  12:09, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

WoH isn't overpowered. It's seems to be particularly balanced. Whiteboy 07:01, 31 March 2008 (EDT)


 * no u.[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  07:14, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah... not writing below the line because I don't want to be an intentional troll, but if you delete comments on a talk page you will irk people. Maybe make a user page for suggestions if you want to be able to admin it? - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  09:49, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
 * This is the userpage for suggestions and I will move any discussion up to this area.X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 09:57, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Moving people's discussion might work, I dunno, people QQ over very little. What happens if I put Wastrel's Collapse in the OP section? :D - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  10:00, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Possible lol. Anyone can post below, just no discussions.X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14  10:04, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

@Fox, The bear attacks should be nerfed Railin  09:45, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol, discussion below the line. GET 'IM! - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   -TALK  17:40, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Dshot
NO. That's way overnerfed. Railin 09:16, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

NO DISCUSSIONS BELOW THIS LINE, ONLY OVERPOWERED SKILLS I will delete if there is any discussion

 * Iron Palm
 * WoDX [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 09:45, 31 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Healer's Covenant, but only in it's build.  10:04, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

--Relyk 21:03, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Natural Stride, 'nuff said [[Image:RailinWoHInvertedSig.jpg|19px]]Phalmatticus 21:36, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Flare
 * Stone Daggers
 * Ice Spear Zeecron 22:21, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Wastrel's collapse :) --Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 08:13, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
 * D-shot  BRANDNEW [[Image:Hex_Breaker.jpg|19px]] 08:00, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Vengeance - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  08:04, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Amity--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]The Gates  Assassin  18:56, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Eviscerate -- [[Image:Agrippa.jpg|19px]] Agrippa  (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Word of motherfucking Healing.
 * Bull's Strike
 * Body Blow
 * Wastrel's Collapse  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:50, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * "Save Yourselves!" &not; Klump  eet  11:55, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Shattering Assault
 * Psychic Distraction
 * Crippling Slash
 * Crippling Shot
 * Return
 * Disarm
 * Diversion
 * Shield of Judgment, in RA where there is a f**k load of melee
 * Shadow Prison
 * Avatar of Melandru, big time.
 * Cry of Pain
 * Wounding Strike, extremely imba
 * Mending
 * Golden Fang Strike [[Image:Image Signet of Malice.jpg|19px]] Rask   of   Shadows . 01:10, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Lyssa's Aura -- Shazam  The  Snake    [[Image:Shazam_The_Snake.png]]  hissssssssssss 19:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Ursan Blessing
10 30
 * Elite Skill. You take on the aspect of the bear. Your Energy returns to maximum and you have -2 Energy degeneration. You have + armor and + maximum Health. All Enchantments upon you are removed. Bear attacks replace your skills. You gain Energy every time you take or deal damage. This skill ends when your Energy drops to 0.

It should be: 20 30
 * Elite Skill. You take on the aspect of the bear. Your Energy returns to maximum and you have -2 Energy degeneration. You have + armor and + maximum Health. All Enchantments upon you are removed. Bear attacks replace your skills. You gain Energy every time you take or deal damage. This skill ends when your Energy drops to 0.

Rawr Rawr --Fox007  08:24, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
 * anet doesn't care about pve.besides ursan isn't that amazing.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic
 * Search up Mallyx Ursan in youtube. ~27 kill. Ursan isn't overpowered ofc. - [[Image:GenericWikier1.jpg|19px]] Generic Wiki-er  14:49, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Umm Bull's strike is on now? I don't think you get the differnce between skills with strong effects that take skill to achieve and skills with strong effects that take no skill to achieve.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  17:27, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh please! Stop the QQ about Ursan, it only makes elite areas easy, in the rest normal build > Ursan. Also its PvE, things hit 100+, no such thing as balance, everything works there too, so cmon, dont like it, dont run it. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  17:29, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Return
I loled--<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  21:21, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Rofl i do my best ^^--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 21:22, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * When the time comes that you run out of ideas for overpowered skills that you decide return was the best skill to put up, you know this game is either really balanced or this needs to be overpowered skill of the month.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  21:23, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * And return ISNT overpowered?--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 21:25, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Ummm fuck no?--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  21:32, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Mabye not on assassins but monks HELL YES.--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 22:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Poof, im over here. That isn't overpowered.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  23:04, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * look at the skill's name, then your suggestion. they don't match. And no, return isn't overpowered. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 00:11, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Return is far from overpowered. On a Monk it's just as powerful as a Blocking Stance. Also: SHIELD BASH! That's some overpowered imba shit right there.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  01:56, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Shield Bash should still work on Attack Skills only. Otherwise it's near useless.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  07:06, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Concept to learn
Balance =/= LOL FUCKER IM NUKING THE CRAP OUT OF THE SKILL. Balance is weaken to a point that it is manageable with a good team. LOL FUCKER IM NUKING THE CRAP OUT OF THE SKILL is what you did to shield bash. See the difference?--<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  14:07, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Crossfire SUX at balancing.  14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * How is it now fucktard :P--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 15:43, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Gud english.  15:44, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * How is it now Manwhotoucheshimselfindifferentplacesallnightwhilehisfamilycantsleepbecauseheismakingtoomuchnoiseanddoesntknowhowtobequietrerwhenhavinganorgasm.--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 15:46, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * So the next time that YOU attack, it is interrupted? Wow.  15:51, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Still fuckin weak. 25s recharge to block ONE attack? HOLY SHIT!  15:56, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It's only good in it's current form. Only nerf I can think that would be actually acceptable is to lower it to 10 second disable but honestly its just an annoyance atm. Most people precast it so if you wait 5 seconds you're set. Also keep in mind that that means they only have 7 other skills to keep people alive and being /W means they have no glyph of lesser energy.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  21:09, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Most people use it right in the middle of your shatter chain. It's only really useful in TA, too.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 21:11, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

BATTLE RAGE IS TOO IMBA!!! NERF NERF!!! NEEDS TO GIVE HALF ADRENALINE NOT DOUBLE!!!! 33% FSATER MOVEMENT ISD WAY TOO IMBA!!! But in all seriosness, Wounding Strike should be reverted to no bleeding. Otherwise, A-Net has done a good job nerfing the shit outa all stuff except ursan, which theyre planning on nerfing (those bastards). ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  18:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Crossfire makes me glad Izzy is our skill balancer. - 07:55, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yep, and that's pretty sad.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  07:57, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ There is a difference between overused and overpowered... God  box    08:00, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wut u takl bout? Iff pplz uz itz, itz has bee ovre powred!--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  08:03, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Its Better now IMO. PS with 1 sec Casting time = balanced.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 09:06, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Its not imba though... --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  09:07, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ God  box    09:09, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * especially not since you usually got either WoH or Patient diversioned XD God  box    09:10, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Mesmerized.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 09:11, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

changed to diversion but why wont it show up?-- 09:15, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * U forgot "Image:" And as for this balance, this is actually good.  Id like to see diversion changed to that. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  09:18, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Double thanks. One for fixing the pic, and one for my balance ^^--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 09:20, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You actually buffed Diversion. - 11:18, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 4 sec dur and max +41 disable time =/= buff. I made it 2 seconds because it really dosnt make a difference.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 00:10, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 2 second cast time is the biggest buff you could ever give Diversion. You need to have it land as they are casting to be effective, not prevent them from casting for 6 seconds. That would drop it to a 1 second cast time, which means you could interrupt Aegis with it and if you get 1/2 cast on a 40/40 interrupt most stuff with it and would also make it way easier to time. It's a buff Crossfire. Please try to understand the way skills work and are used before trying to balance them. - 09:35, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's more that you counter Diversion by interrupting it/calling when it's going up. ~1 second casts are alot harder to call than the current cast time. Duration is irrelevant, either you do something in the first second or so that it's on, or it does nothing whatsoever. Dropping disable time by about 10 seconds doesn't make up for it being far easier to land. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  09:38, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Not to mention that Diversion isn't really imba, the biggest nerf it would ever need is the 4 second duration with nothing else changed to prevent euros with Renewal Diversion. Diverson only really fucks up terrible teams with no coordination whatsoever, it's pretty damn hard to land Diversions regularly against better teams. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  09:40, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Just make it 15 energy--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  17:55, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Backbreaker
Give a 5 second recharge. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  17:20, 13 July 2008 (EDT)


 * gud idea :)--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 19:01, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Stop failing, imo  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 19:02, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * LIES! Backbreaker sins are kinda imba, and they wouldnt be imba if they werent able to get adrenaline from their attack chain. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  19:04, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ups. ricky -1.  5 recharge so that the assassin chain does not recharge BB.  gud idea.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 19:06, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Requires 12 Hammer mastery would be bettur  Frosty  No U!  19:07, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 8 adren, 5 sec recharge = no instant recharge and does not make it worse for BB wars -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 19:10, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * BB wars arent used too much. 1 extra second usually isnt better then unblockability/3 lower adrenaline + weakness. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  19:13, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ^--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 19:14, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * sometimes it is ^ -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 19:15, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * also, seems like u dont care much bout BB wars? ;o how could u :( -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 19:16, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Requires 12 Hammer Mastery would nerf BB Sins and keep BB wars going, best nerf ever.  Frosty  No U!  19:17, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * an extra 2 would be devasting for BB wars tbh -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 19:19, 13 July 2008 (EDT) misread that -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 19:23, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Req 12 hammer mastery perma-destroys sins. BTW they need a buff.  That is the only assassin build ran anymore..--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 19:24, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * err, shattering assault? -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 19:25, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Some mobious and critscythe too. Anyways, a less major nerf would be to make it like Oath Shot with a 50% miss rate at 7 or less, but going down to 11 crit isnt such a big deal... --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  19:43, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Since when are BB sins overpowered?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  20:13, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * idk tbh, u can only find them at RA..maybe AB and CM too -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 20:17, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually, I RA'd for a few hours today and I didn't notice a single one. And I was Monking...  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 20:18, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * The most popular build in HB. RA its shattering, and other gay newb gimmicks.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 20:25, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * meh well actually, u can counter it tho..not too hard -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 20:29, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC@2:30AMlolwut)Shattersin is a gimmick now? How can anything in RA be a gimmick anyway? ....  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 20:30, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * those dutch fucktards, no? anyway, he prob meant meta -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 20:31, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, I guess. Shield Bash against your lead attack and you cry.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 20:33, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * u got my point -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 20:34, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

In my RA adventure today, the most Assassins I encountered used DB/MS and were A/D... Why do people suck so much? :<  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  20:41, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * cause there power level is....OVER 9000!!! -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 20:43, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Nono, that was the amount of superior runes they were wearing -.-'  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 20:53, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

bb not overpowered lol &mdash;  Skakid  20:53, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Elite Hammer Attack. If Backbreaker hits, you strike for +1...16...20 damage and your target is knocked down for 4 seconds. (80% Chance of Failure unless 12 Hammer Mastery or More.) <- Fail! Kongtorp 22:35, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok, I read it again.. Fail -> Kongtorp 22:36, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Not fail. Tem BB warz iz too strong. Teh sinz r gud. Nerf teh BB Wars!--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  22:55, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh I just reread it too. Not your fault, it's usually 50% failure WITH ____ 5 or less.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  00:10, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, unusual description. I thought it was 80% failure with 12 Hammer or more-.- Kongtorp 10:05, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Best idea ever. Tie to the strength line and make it 50% failure 4 or less strength. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  14:54, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

BB is not overpowered, sins are not overpowered, BB sins are not overpowered. Preprot ownzzzzzzzzz &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:19, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Preprot owns everything and is fucking gay. Brandnew.  15:46, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * With 80% fail chance < 4 hammer, people will just run 11+1+1 dag, 12+1 crit, 4 hammer and rest in shadow... - [[Image:GenericWikier1.jpg|19px]] <font face="Courier New" size="2" color="black">Generic Wiki-er  18:34, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * People is already running 9 Hammer. Kongtorp 18:36, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * FFS, BB sins are not overpowered.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 18:38, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oops, my mistake - [[Image:GenericWikier1.jpg|19px]] <font face="Courier New" size="2" color="black">Generic Wiki-er  18:40, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

your discription says: that if you go 5 hammer mastery or more, you will have 80% chance of failure... -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk  ( Talk * Contributions ) 18:51, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

What is this attempting to nerf? Who runs BB with less than 9 hammer at least? &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 16:32, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Strength, nm that. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 16:33, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

@Ressmonkey, yea! Alining it to strength would be like, an awesome idea! Y'kno! Having backbreaker axes and other op shit. I might even stop running eviscerate for it. Brandnew. 17:19, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Its still a hammer attack... Just like disarm is a strength skill but a sword attack... --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  17:21, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Is progrssion Hammer too? Cause wpnswp isn't hard. [[Image:Beta Rotting Flesh.jpg|17px]]<font color=Green>Kongtorp 17:22, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Progression would be strength too, but u can still use backbreaker with an axe if u weapon swap nowadays, itll just deal ~15 more damage since its in strength. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  17:25, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * True, this isn't even OP on a warrior, imo. They have 3 seconds of kd anyway without using their elite. [[Image:Beta Rotting Flesh.jpg|17px]]<font color=Green>Kongtorp 17:29, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Foul Feast
4 sec recharge plz. Too easy to counter conditions without signigicant energy loss. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  21:29, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually it's good energy management too. God  box    16:23, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, its really imba. It can be used as a heal, condition removal, condition pressure (with PS), and energy management. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  16:25, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Rigor mortis is nowhere NEAR overpowerd. Brandnew. 11:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * That nerf would be stupid.  Frosty  No U!  11:47, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * This section should be "Laugh at Crossfire and be glad Izzy is your balancer every week" tbh. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   (TALK)  11:49, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * lol He hasn't made one good balance yet.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  11:49, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Rigor mortis is rly overpowered. Play HB for 1 day as a monk capper i dare u :P--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 11:50, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Hex removal? Good splitting tactics? Regrouping? Talent?--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  11:52, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 4 second knockdown, unblockable, 4 conditions, 250 damage, death?--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 11:53, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * SB. Also, any good person will just cast rigor 1 sec earlier and not change anything.  Lack of interrupts in HB says ur bad at balancing.  NERF FF!! --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  11:54, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And for serious, shadow steps have an aftercast now and walk up spikes are lol-preprotted. Stop being bad Crossfire, please. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   (TALK)  11:55, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * People dont use shadow steps too much in HB mowadays since youre in close quarters all teh time anyways. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  11:56, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * FF isnt overpowered. Its just a "gain enrgy too" draw.  I think just lowering the energy gain would be a good balance.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 11:57, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ...- PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  11:58, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

1 sec cast time and it's prefectly balanced.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  12:04, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, Crossfire doesn't know crap about TA. True story.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:05, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I dont TA i whore RA and HB, which Rigor Mortis is Def overpowered.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:05, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * TA is fucking awesome RA is fucking boring, true story. Brandnew.  12:06, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If you don't TA how dare you even think of trying to balance FF?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:07, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

WIth a 3/4 or 1 sec cast, why even run FF since its just gonna get dshot, use draw. 4 sec recharge and 1/4 cast time doesnt kill the skill, it just makes it worse. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  12:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol, stop theorycrafting tbh. Just because a spell is more than 1⁄2 casting time doesn't mean it will get Dshotted. If that was the case, nobody would use WoH, ZB or RC.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:20, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Rangers stalk necros because of hexes. If they see them using FF and they can magebane/d-shot it, they will. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  12:23, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Stop theorycrafting, play more GW.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:24, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * PvE is for men. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  12:25, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I Dshotted patient spirit, dicuss. Brandnew.  12:26, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * There's nothing to discuss. You were just lucky. I Dchop FF all the time btw.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:26, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I DLunged YAA with a Rt/D, Discuss.  Frosty  No U!  12:28, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * But mine was super manly, I diverted his WoH (Me/R with dshot is winnish.) And he was nearly dead, so I predicted his cast. I'm awesome. Brandnew.  12:29, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Bull's -> Shock -> Dchop = guarenteed interrupt.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:32, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I Power Leaked Cripslash with a necro/warrior discuss.--[[Image:Crossfire's Signature.JPG]] 12:32, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I DLunged YAA with a Rt/D, I win, End Discussion.  Frosty  No U!  12:34, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * [Me] wins for running a cultist's fervor heal party spammer tbh. Brandnew.  12:36, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Brandnew, please retract that statement about being awesome, you got beaten in HB by 4 IW mesmers. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   (TALK)  12:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No I wasn't, It were 3 IW Dervishes remember. Brandnew.  12:39, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I will let that statement stand for itself. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   (TALK)  12:42, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Meh, that was hero battles, hero battles prove shit. I DARE YOU TO 1V1 ME. Brandnew.  12:43, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I dare you to 1v1 me using only skills that Crossfire considered overpowered and made this list. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   (TALK)  12:46, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Can I get a quick review of the skills? Brandnew.  12:46, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

-  isery   (TALK)  12:50, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 1) Word of Healing
 * 2) Splinter Weapon
 * 3) Natural Stride
 * 4) Distracting Shot
 * 5) Bull's Strike
 * 6) Return
 * 7) Shield Bash
 * 8) Patient Spirit
 * 9) Diversion
 * 10) Backbreaker
 * 11) Rigor Mortis
 * 12) Foul Feast
 * Rigor Mortis+Dshot? Brandnew.  12:53, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Splinter isn't, Bull's is only OP if you know how to use it, which makes it not OP, Shield Bash isn't, Patient isn't, BB isn't.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:56, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Now I see why you are so bad, there are only two block things and you are going to take Rigor Mortis... I would take like a W/Mo with Bull's, Backbreaker, Shield Bash and Patient. Diversion is bloody strong when you only have like 4 skills. Bull's, Backbreaker, Shield Bash, Dshot and Natural Stride would also be a strong bar. And yes Ricky, we have already established Crossfire is bad at this. - [[image:miserysig1.jpg]] isery   (TALK)  12:57, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * O, you're only taking these skills aswell. Brandnew.  12:58, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

"save yourselves"

magebane

diversion

tainted flesh

signet of humility

bulls strike

shattering assault

shield bash

signet of removal

 * Jebus  *   Is    I  21:45, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Anet doesnt nerf PvE and never should, yes, already done, not really overpowered since its elite, 3 second cast makes it easy to interrupt, already done, shat assault isnt used much anymore cuz of shield bash popularity, already done, not overpowered. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  22:35, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Mending
WAY to overpowered discuss.-- 00:57, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * OH GOOD ONE  —Ska Kid [[Image:Skakidasaur.gif|19px]] 01:00, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * well im trying to be like izzy. Iz it gud?!!--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 01:04, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Echo. For 15 seconds, target non-spirit ally has +2...3 Health regeneration. This echo is reapplied every time a chant or shout ends on that ally.

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It should be: Echo. For 13...37 seconds you have +1...3 health regeneration. Every 5 seconds, this echo is reapplied on you, you sacrifice 15% maximum health, lose all energy and adrenaline, and are knocked down. You then suffer from Disease that spreads to all your party members, cannot spread to enemies, and is treated as an environmental effect. Disease does -10 health degeneration but that is obviously balanced out by Mending Refrain. If you are currently enchanted with Mending, you sacrifice 30% health instead of 15% and each time you are knocked down, one ally in the area randomly dies and a lv 29 masterless Flesh Golem that cannot be tamed arises that is under the effects of Splinter Weapon, Well of Blood, Well of Power, and every beneficial ward spell in the game.

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If you're reading this, I'd like you to know that Panic has just killed a litter of kittens.  * Jebus  *   Is    I  <font size=0.5>Enter my contest! 01:18, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
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IA
who cares its pve-- Canderouss The Traitor  19:42, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
 * IA was nerfed a long time ago. gj izzy. new skill pl0x. it says "of the week". -- Jebus  contests  23:27, 25 October 2008 (EDT)