Archive talk:D/W Symbolic Dervish

I made this before, but it got trashed, now that Chilling isn't as powerful, I dunno, I like the damage output anyway.  Frosty  No U!  07:51, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Dunno, at 10 CV still deals +60 damage, granted, costs 10 energy more then Sstrike though. Brandnew.  08:00, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And the extra damage is still conditional, and it can't be spammed as much.  Frosty  No U!  08:01, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * True, frees up secondary if you just take mystic sweep though. Brandnew.  08:03, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Secondary sucks, D/W is cool, cooler than all the lame D/E's  Frosty  No U!  08:06, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, if this is meant for arena uses, you'll probably wanna take wild blow Brandnew.  08:08, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No room sadly, + Wild Blow = counterproductive  Frosty  No U!  08:10, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 4 adrenaline is shit and it gets rid of things like disciplined and stuff. Brandnew.  08:11, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * pl0x tell me, where the fuck I would put it  Frosty  No U!  08:12, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * In variants cuz it isn't main bar worthy. Brandnew.  08:12, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Done that my master (since I am your bitch, remember?)  Frosty  No U!  08:14, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course I remember. :) Brandnew.  08:17, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Would anybody actually vote this ups, I mean last time I submitted it it went to good then a big 1-1-1 streak came in :<  Frosty  No U!  08:22, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Symbolic Strike ownz  Frosty  No U!  21:15, 12 July 2008 (EDT) Minor edit ftw
 * umm symbolic strike automatically makes your build into something that is a gimmic? 76.188.100.220 17:00, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Uhm, not really, still got WS Prot Strike powah, just with a spammable +36 damage attack.  Frosty  No U!  17:01, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * uhhumm so its just a WS derv with symbolic strike thrown in? thats...original 76.188.100.220 17:02, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Nothing's original anymore, it is impossible to be original on PvX or in GW.  Frosty  No U!  17:03, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * True, originality is dead until GW2 comes out...maybe. Gaze Of Balthazar 11:11, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * PvE is still original, since no one cares about it.--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  19:35, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, I personaly think that this has better potential than the D/E variant and less weak points, (enchantment removal wont hinder it in any way) so on that note it makes it superior to the D/E version. It also allows for the points that would be put into air magic to be put into other attributes. It also has much better energy management without the 10e Chilling Victory (a big damage chunk, but mostly conditional and made it so that you couldn't spam wounding strike or mystic sweep as much) and has an adrenaline skill; an instant energy saver on any energy based character.
 * But as a note, Attacker's Insight seems a bit unnecessary. It is being used to reduce the cost of 2 attacks by 15e, when all you have are 2 5e attacks. Perhaps something like Zealous Renewal, Mystic Vigor, or Balthazar's Rage could be more useful. Zealous for pretty good energy management as is, no conditions besides hitting, Mystic vigor for 10 or 5 hp per hit, or balthizar's Rage for a pretty good chunk of health gained for each attack that lands. But using a short lasting enchantment to give you 2 tiny bits of energy management seems kind of a waste. For that just a zealous scythe would be better. I dunno, just seems a bit wasteful of a slot without chilling victory.--71.67.243.230 00:26, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If you still want energy management, take Zealous Renewal over Attacker's Insight. Zealous Renewal will last longer, and would work better with your signets. You'll still have your Zealous Scythe, though. ــмıкε  нaшк  00:39, 20 July 2008 (EDT)


 * Yep. I fully think that Zealous Renewal would be better for this build. It just doesn't have any of the high energy attacks that are demanding that fuel. Also, attackers incite wont be on you often enough to make signet of mystic speed give you a 30% speed boost all the time.--Ikimono 02:00, 20 July 2008 (EDT)


 * why no bull's strike?--Bargaw 05:05, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Can't fit it in tbh  Frosty  No U!  05:10, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Zealous Renewal
Makes my heart cry... Featherfoot Grace or Harrier's Grasp would be way better... Rihadol 05:26, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * QQ -- Sazzy  05:35, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ^  Frosty  No U!  06:00, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wouldnt a faster recharging enchantment be better? Also you dont need zealous renewal for energy management.... Divine Xan 08:05, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Signet of pious light
why not use that one instead of restraint?then atleast you have a use when ganking .81.243.137.88 05:29, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Requires earth magic to be effective, Snaring > Self heal and since when do Dervishes gank?  Frosty  No U!  06:00, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * u mean earth prayers :3 -- Sazzy  07:14, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * With the cripple + WS this dervish could put pressure on (or deal with) most rt flaggers in gvg, maybe a little problem with CC/CS flaggers though, but at least the possibility is there due to the cripple (ie the signet of pious restraint) Divine Xan 08:08, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Master of Dommages
says this is gud. I also tested it with and without Chilling Victory (instead of Zealous Renewal, so I just used Heart of Fury for the sake of it) and it comes out with a better spike and DPS without Chilling Victory, and that's Chilling Victory at 14 Scythe Mastery (doesn't update PvP skills in the Isle of the Nameless.) Zealous Renewal is also unnecessary, because the Zealous Scythe is more than enough management. Mebbe switch Zealous Renewal out for Faithful Intervention or Mystic Vigor (not enough enchantments to be effective)? ــмıкε нaшк  11:14, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Zealous Renewal is a nice cover enchant for hof, plus it has epic synergies with Sig of Pious restraint.  Frosty  No U!  11:16, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ya, SoPL for energy gain spike. XD ــмıкε  нaшк  11:21, 20 July 2008 (EDT)