Archive talk:Team - Crippling Fox Balanced

First. christmas doesnt warrant stupid sigs, people 21:35, 28 December 2007 (EST)


 * No u. &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 21:36, 28 December 2007 (EST)
 * no u [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]] Shen (contribs) 21:36, 28 December 2007 (EST)
 * no...me! 5 in innovation, tbh.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 21:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)

So, um, yeh. A/D's can hit for 140 aoe, and spread cripple and weakness to kill movement and breakpoints. gogo testing. 22:41, 28 December 2007 (EST)


 * And that allows you to use Called Shot to spread deadly deadly poison. Tycn 23:11, 28 December 2007 (EST)
 * Crippling Anthem. Called shot isnt needed but it may be nice.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 23:24, 28 December 2007 (EST)

lol this is pvx welled by the hex version on skafag's teambuilder. wizard, be a good troll and thrown it in trash, and i'll pester skafag to post the good one. 00:27, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Blind?
So, bsurge on the sins and gg? Once you miss with an attack, fox is down, and because of the recent block meta, the sins will be powerless. Also seems strange that a "balance" build has no high AL character. Og lo 07:21, 2 January 2008 (EST)
 * Assassin's Remedy. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  07:32, 2 January 2008 (EST)
 * No high AL...you mean a warrior? It has a paragon, they have 80. Foolsauce  [[Image:Foolsauce-sig.gif]] 12:20, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Paragon and Ranger
Just put them to basic metas. Called Shot should be Savage Shot and the Anthem Paragon really doesn't need P-Leak or Anthem of Weariness. -- Guild of  Deals  08:01, 2 January 2008 (EST)

You won't feel any differences between AoF and AoW, and as you won't have a mesmer you need someone with p-leak. Called Shot on the ranger should however be changed to Slot Hunter's Shot to allow the ranger to split. Rihadol 12:51, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Monks
I am by no means a GvG expert, but those monk bars look very RA-like. The WoH monk is this one (which is GvG ready with a few changes) and the RC with Dark Escape and Return is purely RA. Drag nmn  talk cont  08:06, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * I thought the same thing, I'd say maybe run Aegis chain, with 70AL frontliners at least. And Called Shot for Screaming Shot will be far more useful for stronger split capability on the ranger and a bit more condition spread.  Also, a prot spirit may be better on the WoH than spirit bond, assuming your RC is decent, just to have alternative protection, and to avoid redundant casts.  Oh, and probably make Infuse standard.  Lastly, you'll probably want an enchantment removal somewhere, blocking isn't the only kind of prot people use.  Interesting concept though, I'd be interested to see how well those assassins work outside of HA. Dejh 13:55, 4 January 2008 (EST)

thansk for actually looking at this, and here's the changes i agree with: not sure on infuse. 14:56, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * called shot
 * stupid idea, it's realy just to ensure a crippling anthem gets through. optional.(sloth or screaming, and that argument will never end, so pick w/e you want)
 * spirit bond on woh
 * forgot to change that to spirit. higher prot simply deserves the more important antispike, and rc has 13>11.
 * Hmmm.... Isn't 2 hex removal skills too few? Zyber 11:18, 5 January 2008 (EST)
 * 2 is fine; hex meta was awhile ago. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 11:22, 5 January 2008 (EST)

needs moar melee pimping gudness :( - Rawrawr  14:17, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Problems
The sins have no speed boost, which means they can't effectively trigger crip anthem. Why do you have Discharge Enchantment? Your paragon needs 10+major leadership and 12+minor+headgear spear. Needs more guardian(and possibly SoA). You have no party heal. You're gimping your BSurge for splinter when you've already got a rit flagger. &mdash; Edru / QQ  17:11, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * that and the stuff on my vote. needs an off-monk draw rather than a MTouch on the RC for room for another small prot. maybe just remove gift to get one in. remove Sig of Rejuv from the WoH, GoLE should be enough, then stick in guardian/SoA/SH. don't really agree with the e/rt being redundant, it's an incredibly powerful spike assist and the rit will often be running flags/attacking enemy base/defending yours. the paragon needs revamp too. and PLEASE, change the ranger to a cripshot rather than have the paragon responsible for it. as sexy as magebane is, cripshot would help so much more for mobility since any decent team will stick their ranger on your paragon's ass, camping for Crip Anthem. once it's gone, no snare AND no speed boost for your melee. change para to cruel, maybe stick in godspeed b/c of aegis chain? [[Image:Iliekfrenzy.jpg|50x19px]]Punjab 17:31, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * I find that that argument against the anthem is ridiculous. Crip anthems charging is 1/3 the duration, and less than the recharge of savage. Unless the ranger has serious skill (lol) he's going to be catching crip anthems, at most 1 of 3 imo. Even with out the crip the para is a dps machine, and he's still going to be spreading weakness as well. only a dedicated magebane is going to stop that. ntm aegis chain is going to keep para pretty protected for 2/3 of the time. i'm considerign the monk changes, and rawr was the one who reccomended using the splinter earth trybrid bsurge. i am in favor, tbh. splinter farming the ward-campers who hhave yet to realize the ward is doing nothing, while being backed up by an ancestors thats doing less damage than the actual sychte attack. also the lack of splittability is ridiculous. imo, any stand team is goign to get literally torn in half in the first 3 minutes by two a/ds that are ignoring their defence bubble. and ntm the midline has a bsurge and magebane who are both dynamic antisplits.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 09:32, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * Distracting Shot. with crip anthem gone, no snare for targets, no speed boost, DPS diminished. aegis only on 1 monk, so 1/3 of the time protection. doesn't matter that the para is still a DPS machine, your assassins won't be able to hit anything with the craploads of cripshots in the current meta. RC spam won't be able to keep up with cripple/blindfest long enough, not to mention one missed hit on an autoattack means no fox's promise; then the enemy team spikes down either A: your low AL sin frontline or B: your RC. that's how i see this match going against a decent team. [[Image:Iliekfrenzy.jpg|50x19px]]Punjab 16:31, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * only one aegis wut?[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 18:23, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * i left the game a while ago (1 month), so if it's changed from the standard mo/(w or a) woh and mo/e RC with aegis, then disregard that. [[Image:Iliekfrenzy.jpg|50x19px]]Punjab 18:27, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Bad

 * sig of humilitys blindbot* gets warriors to Rape sins with their low shitty armor up the ass :) Sins suck for anything other than splitting, believe me [edit] Not to mention garbage splittability Chris 21:56, 7 January 2008 (EST)Chris 21:55, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * Shattering assault, you say? – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 21:57, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * Scythesins have been run successfully in high-level GvG lately.. also, SA. &mdash; Edru / QQ  21:59, 7 January 2008 (EST)


 * What the fuck is your magebane doing? &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  22:00, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * read above my massive ass post.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 09:32, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Read over the massive argument about off-RC condition removal, and I got an idea that you might have overlooked. Purge Signet on the ranger, maybeh? Also, too bad it doesn't have Mirror of Disenchantment. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  13:44, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * rawr suggested mirror. its not gonna do shit when aegis has no effect.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 18:23, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * Aegis isnt the only thing you can mirror. Also, what about the Purge? No? - Star Seeker  |  My talk  11:48, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * ... aegis is why mirror is run.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 11:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Sorry, was pretty exhausted back then. I meant, doesn't mean it isn't worth to carry mirror around. Fox's can get removed, and... Bonds? :B - Star Seeker  |  My talk  12:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * I'll put it in. it's stupid to not have a backup for when fox's is inevitably down. and its powerful as hell vs. tainted teams.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 08:17, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Could be very good, no? I'm not entirely sure, opinions? 11:40, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * would be ... seeing as this whole thing is shakie and ranger (not counting flager) is the only one with speed buff (wtf is with that ?? it goes useless as soon as aegis is up) and no speed buff on spikers heavy fail... i dunno 工山 口九  任  12:31, 9 January 2008 (EST)