Build talk:W/D Warrior's Endurance Scythe

Same premise as http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/D_Endurance_Attack_Spammer ,but different weapon and AoHM + SY looks interesting.  Seb2net  (Talk)  11:15, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Why isn't the build under untested general from the main page? 204.52.179.199 13:10, 11 January 2008 (EST)


 * Sorry, that was me. Teutonic 13:10, 11 January 2008 (EST)


 * Can anyone help?

Looks fun to use, TBH. Too bad there's no IAS. Rickyvantof 17:56, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Almost all of your attacks will activate at 1/2 or 3/4 second speed. Aura of Holy Might raises your Attack Rating not your attack damage percent and is extremely effective with little Kurzick/Luxon rank. The same goes for Save Yourselves. Teutonic 13:49, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Energy
mystic regen+aura+endurance+vital=yes you have the energy to cast, but not before the battle, and therefore you'll be casting while you should be hitting. cute concept, but lose mystic regen, its a fuckign warrior. 10:06, 1 February 2008 (EST)

I opened the talk page and had no idea what you were talking about, checked the history and found two idiots screwing with skills. Please look at it again and give me any advice you can. Teutonic 10:56, 1 February 2008 (EST)
 * K now it looks pretty damn nice, but fyi you forgot to remove the idiot's earthprayers, put it all into scythe.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 11:31, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Pius Assault
is gud. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 19:46, 1 February 2008 (EST)
 * lol i fail. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 19:47, 1 February 2008 (EST)
 * I forgot this uses Aura of Holy Might. I sometimes use a similar build that has no enchants. &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 19:48, 1 February 2008 (EST)

AoHM
Fails pretty hard here. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 22:10, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Drop Aura of Holy Might and use Pious Assault, because that is WIN! Rickyvantof 14:57, 4 February 2008 (EST)

10e skills will lower your attack speed and force you to drop AoHM which is incedibly good. "Contrary to the description, the stated percentage increase is actually added to the user's damage rating. For example, at title rank 5, rather than increasing damage by 25%, it raises damage rating by 25, effectively increasing damage by 54%. For details, see the discussion page and the article on damage calculation." Two normal hits under AoHM will probably outdamage Deep Wound and won't remove any protective enchantments placed on you. Also, AoHM changes your damage to Holy Damage. Teutonic 23:39, 4 February 2008 (EST)
 * How can you out-damage Deep Wound? It's a condition! Pious Assault has 1/2 activation and the 10e hardly matters. Pious Assault in main bar, AoHM in variants, once again. Rickyvantof 01:17, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * Deep Wound essentially adds +100 damage to one attack. Aura of Holy Might adds ~35 damage to each attack.  Teutonic 13:18, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Furious Scythe
I've been running this in PvE lately, and I found a Zealous mod isn't really needed, cause when you're in need of energy you just auto attack once or twice (In PvE the 3 extra seconds don't really matter) which is why I recommend a Furious Scythe, to power up "SY!" even faster. Rickyvantof 08:16, 5 February 2008 (EST)
 * Furious is very very bad. If you don't want to use Zealous, use Vamp or something.
 * It's not very very bad. It's not as useful on a scythe, cause there are no Adrenaline based dervish skills. But it could be useful to maintain "SY!" Rickyvantof 17:15, 10 February 2008 (EST)

It adds one adrenaline 10% of the time. This will add up to an extra "SY!" after 80 hits. Zealous or vampiric will add several hundred damage.Teutonic 18:55, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * It seems to proc more than just 10% of the time. Back before the For Great Justice buff I had a Furious sword and Dragon Slash.  I only used it for about a week, but in that time, twice it procced four times in a row with Dragon Slash, and it regularly procced 2-3 times in a row.  76.89.84.136 00:33, 12 February 2008 (EST)

It does do it more than 10% of the time because if you are attacking 3 ppl then it will add up to 30% (if you are using a scythe). Though I must say that I still prefer the vamp or zealous mod.JORLZ36181 15:55, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

That's your imagination. Teutonic 07:59, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Understand how probability works before you tell someone they're wrong. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 08:25, 12 February 2008 (EST)


 * Would you like to explain who's wrong or what exactly is wrong? Teutonic 12:32, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * I have to go to class righ tnow but around 4 this afternoon i'll post back here. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 12:58, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * 10% chance with 3 enemies (ASSUMING YOU HIT ALL 3) =
 * 0.9^3 of no extra adr = 72.9% change of 3 adr
 * 3(0.9^2)*0.1 = 24.3% chance of 4 adr
 * 3(0.1^2)*0.9 = 2.7% chance of 5 adr
 * and 0.1% chance of 6 adr
 * Thus - a scythe can therefore be the most logical weapon to use furious on!
 * BUT this is looking at it per attack. If there's one enemy, then per attack it's efficiency drops again - more so since it's slow and you're not charging adr skills as fast as they can. 204.153.88.3 15:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT) Beomagi

NERFED
In the face.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  03:10, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Skills only changed for two weeks blah blah blah etc. Check the developer notes on the updates. Don't archive it. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  04:23, 18 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Even then, it's 1/4 of a second. It sucks but it's not gamebreaking. Teutonic 11:08, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Perfect Scythe and Energy Management
I've got an idea. With this idea you can take a perfect scythe and still have loads of energy management. This at the cost of not having a spike skill, but having more dammage. [build prof=W/D Strength=12+1+1 Scythe_Mastery=12][Warrior's Endurance][Zealous Sweep][Lyssa's Assault][Wild Blow][Aura of Holy Might]["Save Yourselves!"][Lion's Comfort][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build] Thonyonline 14:01, 3 May 2008 (GMT)
 * That's too much energy management, and the loss of DPS isn't worth it. Aura of Holy Might is the only skill you'd actually have to pay for, and even that shouldn't be a problem with Warrior's Endurance on the bar. -Mike 08:22, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Buff
IAS, pl0x. ــмıкε нaшк  20:20, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Asuran Scan
Insta-activation...5 second recharge...why choose AoHM? -- Nature 01:42, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and high % increased dmg. -- [[Image:Nature_Sig_Pic.JPG|19px]]Nature 01:43, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Single target damage increase. And the bonus from AoHM is probably 2/3 as high (the numbers aren't right) but deals the extra damage to a possible 3 foes. ــмıкε  нaшк  09:47, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Removed Asuran Scan from variants(its on the main bar) also removed the note "stance removal as a counter" Warriors Endurance isn't a stance anymore, and Club of a Thousand Bears isn't AoE KD on a Scythe Correct? The article states it...I have changed the article to reflect club of a thousand bears not doing aoe kd as both GW wikia and official wiki state this. -Anon 11:18, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Your right and good job. Karate Jesus 14:50, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * i use Drunken Master instead of Asuran Scan +  X i  V   13:52, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

lame attack skills
try a bar like: [build prof=W/D Strength=12+1+1 Scythe_Mastery=12][Warrior's Endurance][Power Attack][Counterattack][Victorious Sweep][Aura of Holy Might][Burst of Aggression]["I am the Strongest!"][Asuran Scan][/build] --96.14.175.191 07:38, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Fast skill activation <3  Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 07:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

fast activating attack skills are only good like, Hard hiting attack skill + quick activating dmg attack example: Evis+executioners+agonizing chop(1sec)

when u try spamming them you really dont attack as fast as u might think when considering after cast. in fact u might actually attack slower since it will interupt a regular attack to accomplish the quick cast one.--JRyan 09:31, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Ur doin it rong. Regular auto attack -> fast attack. Repeat cycle. Increase attacks per second with your scythe which equals big dommoge. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 09:32, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
 * tbh try leviathans / griffins sweep. I'm tryin this build with that--64.251.53.130 09:21, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * Plus I'm pretty sure most attack skills don't have aftercasts.96.252.118.186 22:48, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Team
This can easily be played with GDW-- Shadow 19:09, 5 November 2008 (EST)
 * Any physical can.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 09:29, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * Even a locust fury sin :3 Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 12:03, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * Moebius/Death Blossom does it better ;o  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:06, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * Locust's Fury doesnt affect scythes :<--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  23:01, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Clubbing bears
Mainbar now that it hits (up to) 3 targets? Its liek Erf Shakurs little brother.--118.90.87.116 09:50, 10 February 2009 (EST)


 * it's in optionals which is enough. there are so many good variants. -- -Ch ao s-   10:02, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Mystic sweep
your only enchant is AOHM so its +9 damage unless enchanted by other teammates


 * it's for faster attacks and your teammates enchant you -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions for Main skillbar
/vote for Flail & Body Blow (instead of Mystic Sweep) on the mainbar. Warrior without an IAS isn't a Warrior, really. --84.30.68.180 18:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

[build prof=W/D Scythe=12 Strength=12+1+1][Power Attack][Sneak Attack][Eremite's Attack][Flail][Asuran Scan][Aura of Holy Might][Warrior's Endurance][Resurrection Signet][/build]
 * Much love Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 19:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed Strenght -> Strength there for you. --84.30.68.180 08:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Heroes
[build prof=Warrior/Dervish Scythe=12 Strength=12+1+1][Warrior's Endurance][Power Attack][Mystic Sweep][Eremite's Attack][Distracting Strike][Wild Blow][Flail][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Wild Blow and Distracting Blow can be traded out for an IMS (Sprint, Enraging Charge, Pious Haste, w/e), Lion's Comfort or some other attack skills, and Flail can be traded out for Burst of Aggression. Body Blow could also be nice. ــѕт. мıкε  01:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Tbh, it looks like a pretty good Hero frontliner. Separate build or edit this page? ــѕт. мıкε  19:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

A comparison with critscythe
Which has more potential damage? 82.45.105.74 19:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say Critscythe, because it takes an IAS on the main bar. Crits deal add more than armor penetration, but Power Attack and Protector's Strike compensate for that loss. If you do take an IAS (Flail) on this Warrior's bar, I'd say they're both pretty even, but Critscythes still get DW (Wounding Strike or Reaper's Sweep).
 * This can use Stonefist Insignias for more awesome KDs with Great Dwarf Weapon, though. XP ــѕт.  мıкε  20:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Certainly tougher PvE monsters have lots of armour, though, so Strength helps a lot. Ofc, an IAS will probably make the biggest difference. 86.27.113.146 21:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, against against 80 armor targets (and under, of course), Critical Strikes (with Way of the Master) will average about 4 more damage per auto-attack than Strength, but the difference diminishes after 100 armor and up, where they even out, and Strength deals 1 more damage on average.
 * So, this (with an IAS) would actually deal more than the Critscythe (because of Power Attack and Protector's Strike), but the Critscythe doesn't need to use its Elite to fuel its attack skills, and can take a DW Elite (which results in 100 damage when it's used against a foe). Then again, this can also bring "Save Yourselves!", which is insanely helpful.
 * Tbh, they're both amazing. XD ــѕт.  мıкε  22:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hero Bar
Seeing as the build I submitted was Welled, we should discuss adding one (to variants, as I did, but was reverted), or making the main bar hero-friendly. ــѕт. мıкε  01:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You really don't need to discuss it. At the bottom put a collapsible skill bar with the optimal skills for a hero. 24.23.207.230 01:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Great Build
this is a great build ! but i use a variant -

[build prof=W/D name="Enduring Scythe Warrior" str=9 scy=10 earthp=10][Warrior's Endurance][Zealous Sweep][Counterattack][Victorious Sweep]["I Am The Strongest!"][Armor of Sanctity][Conviction][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]

great build with a Zealous weapon! i use Suli's Scythe (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Suli's_Scythe) ScythemasterCactus 09:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * yay for tanking skills--Relyk 09:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No Asuran Scan, no AoHM, no SY!, no IAS...IT HURTS MY EYES! T___T --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin.jpg 10:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Counters
I would think the main counter for this would be stance removal lol 64.30.95.118 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Then you are an autist (or have some other type of mental deficiency disorder). There are no stances in this build. WE in PvE is a skill, not a stance. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 18:39, 31 August 2009
 * that's funny, because it has no stances. -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * KJ's faster :< -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And I'm a bigger bastard :D [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 19:03, 31 August 2009
 * Dammit >.< Fox007  [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 19:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll claim its just because you made a bigger effort. -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I blame broken pvxwiki. 64.30.95.118 19:03, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't say I blame you. Look at Life, Xinrae's Weapon, Defy Pain (I think it's still messed up), etc. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 19:08, 1 September 2009
 * Dead site is dead, amirite? --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin.jpg 19:34, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope retarded people don't know their guildwars skills--Relyk 20:33, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Which is why they come here, no? The only reason I'm looking at these builds is because I'm a warrior noob. 64.30.95.118 14:38, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Being a PvE warrior is easy. Take "SY!" and big damage. The end. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:56, 2 September 2009
 * Big damage? I can't take Flare if I'm W/D. 64.30.95.118 20:12, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? I use W/D/E all the time... The El33t 06:28, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Mystic Sweep?
You have ONE enchantment and still you have it, take victorious sweep intsead.--Rokroro 23:26, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's there cuz 3/4s activation time(?). <font color="Deepred"> «No <font color="Black"> vii« 00:37, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fast activation, plus you should have enchants on heroes like PS or lern2pve. Life   Guardian  00:42, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Protstrike? ;o -- -Chaos- (moo) -- 20:21, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It would hardly ever trigger its +damage in PvE. Mystic is slower than it but will do more damage. <font face="Courier New" color="Black">Toraen <font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 20:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahem, If I run this with Necro or Para-Team builds, mystic sweep sux. They use almost no enchants(Possibly Discord and the Orders Derv.).--Rokroro 14:07, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then why aren't you running Strength of Honor? Brandnew 14:57, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. you really, really should be running strength of honor, 2. its just for a fast recharging scythe skill, so you can spam more (all other scythe skills are 6+ seconds) - <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Athrun <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Feya - 15:59, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * ps, sb, soa, aegis, soh, orders, dark fury, purifying veil....the list goes on and one.the front line needs prots and cleaning.unless your bad. 77.86.58.82 15:52, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless you PvE LIKE A BOSS--<font color ="Blue">Ikimono <font color ="Brown">...And my Axe! [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 08:22, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you run this without SoH, you are an idiot. --<font color="HotPink">Iggy 's other account 07:16, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rokroro you are just dumb gtfo
 * In my not at all humble opinion mystic sweep alongside protector's strike should be mainbar instead of wearying strike and victorious sweep. The secondary ias you get with those quickly recharging skills has an enormeous impact, especially allowing you to trigger skills such as strength of honour more quickly. While twin moon sweep and wearying strike are great skills a warrior just has better things to do with his spare energy and few skill slots. Like – spamming prot strike and frenzy. --Krschkr (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Change to hero build
It is known that heroes do not use flail unless the target is knocked down. For more general usability, flail should be changed for burst of aggression on the hero bar.
 * I don't know how you've tested this. I have used Flail on a Axe and Sword hero Warrior, and they have used it wisely. The main problem with using it on a hero is that they self snare themselves alot, and do not use cancel stances well. But that is a limitation on AI, not skill design.

Rending Aura FTW
Zyke 00:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Hero?
How do heroes do with running this build? I haven't tried it out yet, but I'm growing a bit bored of sword/hammer warrior heroes and was interested in seeing if they can run a half-way decent scythe. --BuildKitten 23:08, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It works since heroes maintain Aura of Thorns and since he'll spam Wearying Strike there's a good chance you'll get the DW off.Anvil God 01:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Damage
Damage seems pretty low, especially compared to an HB war or w/a options. What is the advantage of running this over those? Ran it a couple of times and it seems flat out inferior, definately not "great" imo. Rawr 12:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * scythe damage got changed so it's a shadow of its former self, still pumps out decent damage. ApplesaucePancakes 13:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya, i way prefered scythes beforehand, paticularly in pvp. This just seems to do hardly any damage at all, is there a point keeping it if it is clearly inferior to w/a and HB without any real advantage that i can see? Rawr 14:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It triggers splinter more often so it's still viable in the c-space department. We'll just leave it alone unless more people give it some attention. Especially since 80% of gw players try to c-space pve and 100% of warrior players c-space any sort of gameplay mode. ApplesaucePancakes 14:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * In higher end PvE, 100b isn't so shiny great unless EBSoH or MoP and shit. The scythe is just an AoE axe. The main advantage it pewpewing Wearying Strike and Power Attack with SoH. I still found it effective enough to be useful for whacking groups with splinter weapons compared to axe.-- Relyk 17:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Ratings
This is a more general thing, but in this case it puzzles me in particular: Is it a display bug or common copy&paste thing or foul play that the rating comments often appear multiple times? Dacookiemaster's rating is the same as Toraen's. Amoral1ty, Aonsephonie, Anvil God and Malokai92 all wrote exactly the same. --Krschkr (talk) 11:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a common copy+paste thing. A lot of people felt like giving the same rating to a build, but not writing their own reasoning out. Naturally, this means if any one vote using that reason was stricken (for not following policy) then all those votes would be removed. However, if the votes are all following policy then they're fine as-is. None of those users are sockpuppets of each other. -Toraen (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. I had hoped, though, it was a display bug...^^ --Krschkr (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Unarchive?
Same train of thought as WE Hammer. While WE hammer is much better, this still has its niche as being an aoe axe essentially, being able to trigger splinter weapon more often. Additionally, it has great energy management, obviously, which allows it to take advantage of some of the more costly PvE skills normally out of reach for regular use by a warrior, such as EBSoH. I've been playing it in rotation with WE axe/hammer/daggers throughout some HM PvE and it has been pretty good. Not the best of the bunch, but still good; the page needs an update is all. Build does not deserve great status though, those times are long gone. many of the older votes should likely be removed, especially those from the Ascan + AoHM % damage increase days. Again, when I have some free time, I can tidy it up. Willarddog (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * None of the old votes are from prenerf aura of holy might/asuran scan. --Krschkr (talk) 21:41, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I wasn't able to see the ratings while it was archived, I simply assumed. Willarddog (talk) 21:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Updated the page. Mainbarred IAU and Ascan. Added the applicable PvE skill optionals. Cool part about this build is that the multi-hits from the scythe greatly help out energy management compared to WE Axe (which is still able to spam high energy pve skills well) and WE Daggers (much more thirsty than the former). One could easily drop either AScan or IAU for another if desired as well. Willarddog (talk) 04:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)