Archive talk:Team - Blackout Spike

Wheres the blackout on this? Himynameisbobbyjoe 02:52, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

It's a work in progress. I haven't gotten much time to work on it.- Jak123X 03:42, 22 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Love the mesmer with both assassin skills and res chant.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 03:57, 22 October 2007 (CEST)

yea, me 2- Jak123X 21:02, 23 October 2007 (CEST)

moved from other one w/o the -
Discuss and suggest.- Jak123X 00:57, 7 November 2007 (CET)
 * Maybe Veil or Draw on Rt or a different elite such as Expel or Empathic. [[Image:Hammer And Sickle.png|19px]]Viet talk  01:01, 7 November 2007 (CET)
 * Good luck canceling shadow walk while all your skills are recharging for 5 seconds :D &mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 01:17, 7 November 2007 (CET)

You don't have to cancel it immediatley, its just so shadow walk doesn't end at a time you don't want it to, which would interrupt you.- Jak123X 03:49, 7 November 2007 (CET)

Monk's elite.
WoH imo. Railin 07:31, 9 November 2007 (CET)
 * Would mean he had to change the whole bar tho. [[Image:Image-Dark_Morphon's_Siggie.jpg‎]]Dark Morphon 13:22, 9 November 2007 (CET)
 * Did you seriously just suggest WoH...? - Rawrawr  19:32, 9 November 2007 (CET)
 * Meh, hadnt seen update. But ZB is still way better. - Rawrawr  20:04, 9 November 2007 (CET)
 * WoH is a bigger heal with a shorter recharge, for only 2 more energy. And you can use it effectively above 50% too. i luv it. Railin 20:24, 9 November 2007 (CET)
 * Yes but it reqs you to spec loads of heal, which is baed. - Rawrawr  20:27, 9 November 2007 (CET)
 * I run 14/10/10 heal/prot/div (or something like that). The only skills I need decent prot for are RoF and SB and I still get 76 health from spirit bond, which is enough to stay alive. Having lots into heal isn't always bad, especially if you use an imba Healign elite. Railin 20:30, 9 November 2007 (CET)

ZB or WoH?
discuss- Jak123X 21:41, 10 November 2007 (CET)

ZB

 * 1) Rawrawr  21:44, 10 November 2007 (CET)
 * 2) -- Mah sa  12:39, 18 November 2007 (CET)

WoH

 * 1) [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] Railin 15:05, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * 2) [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 23:11, 10 November 2007 (CET)
 * 3) Zyber 20:10, 11 November 2007 (CET)
 * 4) Grobie 00:34, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * 5) Zeron [[Image:Master of Magic.jpg|20px]] 14:19, 14 November 2007 (CET)

Mending

 * 1) Lord Belar 01:51, 15 November 2007 (CET)
 * 2) With Echo. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  09:07, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Unyielding Aura
--Lucky121 (talk *pvxcontribs ) 17:59, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Black Lotus/Expose Nerf
Seems like you're going to need to Revise the SP sin.--Zeron  14:22, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Nerfs seem to affect all of the builds on here. xd -- [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] Railin 15:01, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * WHY? A-NET WHY?!?!?! --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  00:44, 15 November 2007 (CET)

Well I can just use the Crip-ganker sin.- Jak123X 01:45, 15 November 2007 (CET)


 * Use that new SP build with WotL or whatever. Lord Belar 01:50, 15 November 2007 (CET)


 * That one's still inferior to the crippling one. — Tycn (talk *pvxcontribs ) 12:50, 18 November 2007 (CET)

Suggestions/ Voting
So anything i should change before ppl start voting?- Jak123X 06:17, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * Mesmer doesnt need 2 shadow steps with new SP nerf. IMO bring eburn instead, is good if the monk is still standing (for some reason) after the blackout+spike. Also inspires/revealed hex and siphon speed could do well (SS for snaring frontliners and/or kiting). Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 15:54, 15 December 2007 (CET)

Warmongers + blackout doesnt really fit, unless mesmer locks down another target (bsurge, rit/nrt, hexes, etc), otherwise warmongers is just meh, better off with guided or brutal (+pts in comm) or w/e. Swiftslash \\  (contributions  * sandbox ) 11:28, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Warmongers is for splits; like when there are 2 healers. The mesmer would blackout the major healer, while the sin attacks the other healer, in which case warmongers would be put on the sin.- Jak123X 13:19, 30 December 2007 (EST)

I put this section (above), so voters could say what they wanted improved before they voted, but instead most voted without any input on discussion page. I was hoping that Goldenstar, LavaEdge, and Tycn could revote, since I have improved the build. And also, Tycn, could you explain how Shatter Storm is bad, and how Empathetic Removal is Bad, and how "the monk build is terrible." Since the ZB monk build is taken from the "Great" build section, why would it be Terrible if its been vetted "Great". Also the Empathetic Removal rit is a variant from another "Great" build. So are those builds actually not "Great" but instead "Other" or "Trash"- Jak123X 17:36, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Mostly what people wanted was to be able to spike more than every 25 seconds, and I fixed that.- Jak123X 22:37, 2 January 2008 (EST)

I think I voted on it during its current state... No vote change for me. LavaEdge324 23:07, 18 January 2008 (EST)

IMO rit should be OoS with SoH, draw and Veil. Or Empathic with Brutal weap. The sin won't cut atm. Swiftslash \\  (contributions  * sandbox ) 11:51, 25 January 2008 (EST)

damages
hao mn y dmgs does dis bild haf?  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   23:32, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * dis bild hav many damages. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (<font color="Black">contributions  * sandbox ) 04:58, 26 January 2008 (EST)

sin
how won't the sin kill? any suggestions?- Jak123X 02:43, 2 February 2008 (EST)
 * Uh... it looks like it has enough damage. And also theres Ancestors' Rage too. Your target might have been preprotted when u spiked or had support heals. ▪  √ēт   <font color=#191970>[no :D u]  02:47, 2 February 2008 (EST)

Monk
Monk needs to be redone, seeing as the build it was taken from has been archived. Gaze Of Balthazar 00:09, 2 March 2008 (EST)