User:Malokai92/Daggers without Sin

If you have been directed to this page then you have tried to submit a build using Daggers and a profession that looks like any/A, attempting to use daggers on a different profession. Here is why that is bad.

Build
[build prof=any/a dagger=12][jagged strike][fox fangs][death blossom][optional][optional][optional][optional][optional][/build]

Most professions will use a quick recharging chain (as seen) or a full chain. In either case, they usually lack energy management and damage benefits that come from Critical Strikes or are lacking in other areas.

Common variants are Wild Strike in place of Fox Fangs or Fox Fangs

Exceptions
The one notable exception is the Build:W/A PvP Backbreaker Daggers, which is a derivation of the same gimmick build. Rt/A builds are quite viable in AB due to an organized teams and generally shitty players. Historically, Rt/A builds were viable in Hero Battles

Builds
Some examples of common and no as common builds run using a dagger chain on various professions.

Warrior
Uses Warrior's Endurance to spam a chain.

[build prof=w/a dagger=12 str=12+1+1 dead=3][warrior's endurance][jagged strike][fox fangs][death blossom][bull's strike][optional][dash][resurrection signet][/build]

Wastes elite for e-management rather than something that can deal more damage. The nerf of Warrior's Endurance from skill to stance really hurt the build as well.

[build prof=W/A Strength=12+1+1 dagger=12][Burst of Aggression][Bulls Strike][Falling Spider][Twisting Fangs][Falling Lotus Strike][Blades of Steel][Flourish][Dash][/build]

Very expensive chain, so any e-denial will destroy it. A sin can accomplish the same, except better.

[build prof=w/a Tactics=10+1+1 Dagger=12 strength=8+1 dead=2][Shove][Flail][Falling Spider][horns of the ox][Falling Lotus Strike][blades of steel][impale][res sig][/build]

Do you know what a fucking sin is?

Elementalist
Ride the Lightning as a shadowstep and Conjure Lightning for more damage.

[build prof=e/a dagger=12 air=12+1+3][ride the][shock][falling spider][horns of the][golden phoenix][blades of st][impale][conjure lightning][/build] [build prof=e/a dagger=12 air=12+1+3][ride the][golden pho][horns of the][falling sp][blades of st][impale][conjure lightning][resurrection si][/build] The chain is very expensive, and often a couple rounds, energy will be missing and hard to compensate, Elementalists also have low armor. There is an enormous amount of damage it can deliver, but extremely fragile and slow.

Ranger
Uses Expertise for cheap attacks.

[build prof=r/a dagger=12 exp=12+1+1][lightning reflexes][jagged strike][fox fangs][shattering assault][impale][optional][throw dirt][resurrection sig][/build] [build prof=r/a dagger=12 exp=12+1+1 dead=3][expert's dex][unsus][lotus strike][horns of the ox][falling spider][blades of steel][impale][resurrection sig][/build] [build prof=r/a dagger=12 exp=12+1+1 shadow=3][expert's dex][caltrops][unsuspecting][jungle strike][trampling ox][falling lotus][blades of][resurrection sig][/build] [build prof=R/a Expertise=11+1+1 Beast=8+1 dagger=11][Leaping Mantis][Lotus Strike][Horns of the Ox][falling spider][twisting fangs][rampage][comfort an][charm an][/build] The Ranger is unique among professions using daggers. Their Expertise allows spammable attacks for pressure, which is nice for all. However, an Assassin can achieve the same, except with more damage. Rangers lack enchantments, which also hinder them from using skills Assassins can easily access.

Monk
Uses Signet of Judgment and Smiting skills for additional damage.

[build prof=Mo/a dagger=12 smiti=11+1+1 dead=6][signet of judg][shadow walk][falling spider][horns of the][Holy Strike][impale][dash][strength of][/build] Monks should be healing, not killing. Not to mention that damage from daggers is weak, but overall the damage amounts to about 308+Poison+DW, not enough to kill most characters. The chain is also slow and energy will quickly become hard to manage.

Dervish
[build prof=D/a dag=12 wind=12+1+1 myst=3][leaping mantis][golden fang][horns of the][falling spider][blades of steel][grenth's aura][Zealous V][pious haste][/build] Avatars are only maintainable half the time. A dervish's energy management and IAS is outdone by an assassin with access to a secondary.

Necromancer
Mostly ignored, Necromancers have stores of energy and useful Curses skills to boost a chain. [build prof=n/a dagger=11 curse=10+1+1 soul=10+1][reaper's mark][black ma][wild str][death bl][plague touch][barbs][rigor][resurrection si][/build]

Soul Reaping is unpredictable and Necromancers lack strong defense. Skills like Insidious Parasite may be useful, sure to be effective in certain situations, pertaining mostly to AB.

Ritualist
Spirit's Strength to pump out damage.

[build prof=rt/a dagger=12 spawning=11+1+1 communing=6+1][jagged strike][golden fang][fox fangs][death blossom][dash][weapon of aggression][spirit's st][resurrection si][/build]

Ritualists lack energy management and Rits have low armor.

Paragon
[build prof=P/a dagg=12 lead=10+1+1 dead=6 command=6+1][Way of the Empty Palm][Golden Phoenix Strike][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Twisting Fangs]["Go for the Eyes!"][Aggressive Refrain][Signet of Return][/build] [build prof=P/A dag=12 comma=4+1 mot=7+1 lea=10+1+1][Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Death Blossom]["The Power Is Yours!"][Dash][Anthem of Weariness][Aggressive Refrain][Resurrection Signet][/build] Courtesy of Nyall

Mesmer
[build prof=Me/A fas=2+1 ill=12+1+1 dag=11 shadow=6][Fragility][hidden caltrops][black mantis thrust][lotus strike][Trampling ox][falling spider][twisting fangs][Resurrection Signet][/build] Spike is too long and too slow compared to a regular sin. It's also too predictable.