Archive talk:P/W Crazy Deep Wound PvE Build

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Funnest build ever. Discuss. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 18:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

And I'll do a proper write-up once it's vetted or whatever, so don't worry about that stuff. Also, it'll probably get a suitable name. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 18:16, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Shield's Up and Protector's Defense are kinda bad, TBH. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:17, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


 * You don't get Rspiked by charr and blown up by melee. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:19, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Superior? (main skill on bar reqs you to be lower health, also, you're a paragon) &mdash;  Skakid  18:17, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Yes i dont like slayers, just because its condition --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 18:26, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I perfer Vicious w/ "GftE!", but for some reason, Rapta doesn't like it for PvE. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:27, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You can't use it as often. Either GftE or Vicious is always not charged, and that makes me QQ. Plus the fact that it takes 2 slots and you can't invest that slot into something cool. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:28, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * lolol --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 18:28, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * party defense is dead (tactics) --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 18:29, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You didn't give me a chance to correct myself. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:29, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't like Edit Conflicts... --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:30, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * rofls --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 18:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Also, btw, you slam the monster with Cruel Spear if it has less health than you. PvE has monsters with lots of health, so Slayer's Spear isn't really conditional anymore. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 18:36, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


 * They won't have lots of health when your party bends them over and spanks them with "HOLY SHIT!" nukes. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:37, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That's why you Deep Wound them fast and hard. This wasn't called "crazy deep wound pve build" for nothing. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:37, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * So you get 1 DW on a mob out of Slayer's Spear most likely, while you can get quite a few from Vicious or others? --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:39, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * GoD, you're wrong. &mdash;  Skakid  18:39, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You move to the next target and blow it up. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:40, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Still, you can probably get quite a few DW's on the mob with Vicious > Slayer's. Overall, Slayer's is pretty bad. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:44, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No you can't... It takes time to recharge (much more than 4 seconds). And if it has that low health, the big +Damage from Slayer's or Cruel will kill it anyways. Bad theorycrafting. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Whatever, my vote is still sticking. --Guild of Deals<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 18:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd swap out Protector's and "SU!" for just some generally better shouts or stuff, then I'd rate it higher. --Guild of Deals<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 18:53, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Shield's Up! is useful against pretty much every mob in the game, and if it isn't, Protector's Defense will be. It's not like Paragons have to move anyway. Racthoh 19:27, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Obaby, this is crazy. xP --  Super Igor   *ninja!!*  19:30, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Giving yourself a short 75% block chance is dumb, and your allies will most likely move. "Shield's Up!" gives you extra armor against usually weak projectiles, gg. --Guild of Deals<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 20:28, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just run "Save Yourselves!" GG :) Selket Shadowdancer 20:30, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You'd be surprised at how useful it can be. Note that Protector's Defense is not a stance and affects anyone near you. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:26, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
 * HM enemies wand for a good 30-40 damage, and they wand quickly. 60 AL against that is pretty good; 9 seconds from SU! is enough time to eliminate the stronger threats while reducing the wand projectiles that do add up. Casters being attacked can kite to the paragon for a 75% block; useful for when a monk is being trained and doesn't have time to stop and cast. It's not the best skill but it's certainly isn't trash. Racthoh 01:14, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Since when does DW own PvE that bad? —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  18:19, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * When deep wound was implemented? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:37, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's pve, it just counts as +100 dmg but not as a blowup skill. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  05:35, 27 June 2008 (EDT)


 * im not sure if u hav the nergy to works this
 * agr= 25
 * SU=10(energy gain)
 * PD=5
 * AoF=5 (energy gain)
 * SP= 10
 * if my maths is right thats 55 enrgy - energy gain from any shout/chants which is about maybe 6,5 which is maybe 10 energy off which makes it 45 which is still high
 * in my opinion AGR is for paras that use spears for attack and just attack where this seems to be support at the same time maybe use glowing to signet to lower the energy? Aliblaster 03:49, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You should be maintaining AR before you get into battle, so that cuts off 25 energy. 12 Leadership should be enough, but if it isn't, you could always use a Zealous Spear. This needs a new name, though, something like Cruel Tactics, Cruel Tactics Slayer... I'm not sure how heroes are with Protector's Defense, and the "Shields Up!" nerf still makes me sad. ــмıкε  нaшк  09:36, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Drop one of the bad tactic buffs for TNTF imo. Kongtorp 16:26, 6 July 2008 (EDT)