Archive talk:Me/Mo Keystone Signet Mesmer

Yes that looks interesting, im not much of a mesmer so i dont have many of those skills but what i think would be good would be to use your SC and use your siggies and then use mantra of signets, use keystone use your siggies then keystone again and then mantra of inscriptions. A little harder to use but might increace efficency i dont know.

I tried something similar to this after the keystone buff, and while it looks gimmicky its actually very strong. Also, ive seen a few top gvg guilds running something similar to this, but forget which guilds. Just my input. 69.40.249.50 23:20, 14 October 2007 (CEST)

Yeah, I came up with this after watching a match and Notpron For Love [NoLo] was running something similar to this, and I tried it in RA and TA, and I could basically shut down any caster with it, not sure if it should be taken off for HA, but I think it would work there (though, admittedly, I havent tried it there yet). Kanyatta 04:02, 15 October 2007 (CEST)Kanyatta

For HA, unnatural signet would be incredibly useful to stop spiritway teams.(That skill alone can screw over the team's heals/energy/dmg and spiritway is very popular still) 69.40.249.50 00:16, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Why symbolic celerity? I thought it didn't stack with FC. Lord Belar 00:19, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Fixed your attributes. You can go 10, 11, 10. Mike 01:52, 16 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Keystone + Mantra = Whyyyy? If all your skills are already recharging at 10, and Keystone has a recharge of ten, mind if I call a wtf on this one? cedave  (contributions_buildpage)  02:04, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Cause keystone recharges in 5. Also, some recharge in 15. Lord Belar 02:05, 16 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Nonetheless, here's a build where Echo might be useful to echo a sig. Unnatural Sig spam? Or something like it? Dunno.. Maybe rapid Signet Smite, but we all know those never get vetted. cedave  (contributions_buildpage)  02:07, 16 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Keystone recharges in 5->2.5 as per latest update meaning you can shutdown 4 or 5 people's elites constantly now. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  13:08, 16 October 2007 (CEST)  —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  13:08, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Seems like Purge Signet deserves a place in the variants section, it'd have very little downside to this build, so I added it. Remove it if it is a bad idea. Raindog 02:11, 16 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Signet of Disenchantment couldn't hurt, either. If you're already blowing your energy on Purge, why not? cedave  (contributions_buildpage)  02:20, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

wow... shut down 2 elites and -7 energy every 5 second is .... Yizhuo2006 02:30, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

wow. How could anyone say this build is bad? wtf...lrn2GvG. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 10:00, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Precisely. This build is fucking incredible. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  13:16, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

You've got to got to got to got to have a hard res. Just have to. You can either go Hex Eater Sig+Death Pact or the good 'ole Purge+Res Chant. Either or, it has to happen. —ǥrɩɳsɧ ƿoɲ  13:15, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * No, not necessarily. You can roll Me/D for Pious constraint which is lulz. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 18:52, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

This is so going to get nerfed.... in a month or more. :) Lord Belar 17:26, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Is it worth mentioning that Diversion is really only a counter if it catches Keystone or Celerity? You can maintain MoI even when it's diverted, and everything else just gets recharged. Also, Artificier's insignias should be in the main article. May as well have imba AL along with everything else. Kabu To 19:37, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

I generally leave out the obvious. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 19:43, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Yeah, but you'd be surprised how many people wouldn't think of that. Lord Belar 19:45, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Sorry, not surprised. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 19:52, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * But think of the noobs! :D Lord Belar 21:24, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Celerity
Why? — Skakid9090 22:06, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * We don't know, last time I asked, I was ignored. :( Lord Belar 22:08, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Look at bottom note. Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 22:35, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * That explains nothing. Lord Belar 22:37, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * ...yes, it does. In high end GvG, Rangers or other mesmers are going to interrupt keystone no questions asked. Unless you are able to force an interrupt, and cast during rec, then your build is going to be shutdown. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 22:45, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * And celerity helps that how? Lord Belar 22:46, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * ...it is next to impossible to interrupt a 3/4 cast w/ dshot or even pdrain. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 22:47, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Let me go find the QQ explanation of why to use Celerity... <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 22:48, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Casting time reductions stack. It's recharge time reductions that don't. --71.229.204.25 22:49, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Hey, look, a good explanation! I thought they didn't stack beyond 50%, must have gotten that confused with recharge. Lord Belar 22:54, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * They don't, but Fast Casting doesn't count towards that limit. :) --71.229.204.25 22:59, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Ok, makes sense. Lord Belar 23:01, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

QQ Lego says it, and Axiom agrees. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 22:55, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Honestly, I could care less. Lord Belar 23:01, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Too bad. If lego says something about a mes build, you better believe it. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 23:03, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Proves nothing. Lord Belar 23:12, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * That is as failure as saying Ensign is bad at GW. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 23:13, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Lego may be a good mes, but that doesn't mean he is always right. Lord Belar 23:16, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Lego and Axiom are some of the best mesmers in the entire game...ever. You fail. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 23:40, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * He's arguing that in general it's stupid to take someone's word as gospel just because they're an expert. I agree with Readem, but it's still good to remember. --71.229.204.25 23:42, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * 99% of the time he is. I like that Appeal to Authority thing too, but lego is a godly mes. There's no doubt about it. At all. You have to remember that a good ranger will interrupt you very often and forcing an interrupt is very very very difficult for newer players. Symbolic Celerity helps with that quite a bit. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  23:43, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * EDIT: Readem, don't break NPA. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  23:44, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Just to make sure I'm with the discussion here, forcing an interrupt = sacrificing a skill to an interrupt you know is waiting so you can get off another during the cooldown, right? --71.229.204.25 23:46, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Yes. Lord Belar 23:48, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * (DOUBLE) EDIT CONFLICT: Exactly. I don't disagree, I see the use for celerity now, but mindlessly following anyone (even an expert) is just stupid. Also, Readem, NPA violations fail too. Lord Belar 23:48, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Okay, cool. Thanks. --71.229.204.25 23:49, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Forcing an int is by multiple cancels. Also you are failing at understanding my logic, not in general ;p. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 00:38, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Seems pretty energy-heavy, but I'll try it later. :) --71.229.204.25 00:45, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Energy isn't too bad on a signet bar. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 01:06, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * (reset) Meant the concept in general, lol. --71.229.204.25 01:07, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

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Well, that was fast. —ǥrɩɳsɧ ƿoɲ  04:24, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * That's what she said, amirite? But seriously. --71.229.204.25 04:31, 17 October 2007 (CEST)


 * She did say that. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  04:32, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * ): --71.229.204.25 04:34, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * owell. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 04:44, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Fun while it lasted. Lord Belar 23:29, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * This still works... [[Image:Image-Dark_Morphon's_Siggie.jpg‎]]<font color="Black">Dark <font color="Black">Morphon <font color="Black"> (contribs)  14:21, 13 November 2007 (CET)