Archive talk:Team - Moebius E-Denial

needs moar defense. — Skakid9090  20:16, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * Ya rly, put the defence on ranger's bar or something. IDK what lol. Assa's remedy equals fail tbh, it's nut good on moebius, you need critical eye for e-mangment. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  21:14, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * Got any suggestions as to what defence should include? Aslo, assa;s remedy is gud as its an enchantment and can remove conditions, adn this build needs enchantments to start its chain. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  21:32, 1 December 2007 (CET)


 * Ok, I have 3 enchantments that have some sort of advantage in this build from sin primary: Assassin's Remedy, Shroud of Distress, Critical Defence. Gonna have to choose one of them.  Also, Lightning reflexes for Tiger's Fury might not be bad. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  22:07, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * LR free's up attrb pts. Also I'd wanna see WY on one of the sins for defense. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 00:51, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Then u need an external enchantment or switch golden phoenix for black spider (which sucks since it got nerfed). --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  00:53, 2 December 2007 (CET)

Somebody give an opinion. Which is better for this build: Assassin's Remedy, Shroud of Distress, or Critical Defence? ---  Ressmonkey   (talk)  01:57, 2 December 2007 (CET)

i think that one of the Moebius Sins should be switched for a Shattering Assault fear me sin to prevent blocks Abadabadoo 02:05, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Good idea. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  02:21, 2 December 2007 (CET)

I REALLY think you should use something to shutdown enemy adren wars/paras(if they're meta), else you're helping them a shitload with infuriating heat. All i can think of is Soothing Images... my 2 cents --mangleD (T/C ) 02:46, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * The ranger has cripple spam, which is the best u can do. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  02:49, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Or you could use the variant I just added. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  02:49, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Drop the ranger and use the variants rit instead. Weapon of Fury has a much greater benefit for the sins and doesn't boost the enemy's offense (getting dev hammered or eviscerated every 5 secs isn't alot of fun..). Moebius skill bar should look like this imho: --Makku 04:05, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * looks good Himynameisbobbyjoe 04:17, 2 December 2007 (CET)

Lose a small prot or Dismiss on the monk for Shield Bash? - Star Seeker  |  My talk  11:45, 2 December 2007 (CET)

The variant is much better
get rid of the ranger. don't even mention it in the page. it sucks. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ  (contribs) 05:12, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * I'll go ahead and do that now, I guess. Kabu To 06:53, 2 December 2007 (CET)

looks gud now -Karmapolice 08:40, 2 December 2007 (CET)

Skadid makes a good point, so I will do what he says. ---  Ressmonkey   (talk)  16:38, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Please, if you're going to be so fickle with the setup, leave it in trial. I'ma remove my vote until all changes are final. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]] Shen (contribs) 16:50, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Ok, changes finished. :) --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  16:52, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * You going to make Weapon of Fury give 50% more adrenaline as opposed to a uhh.. de facto 33%? [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]] Shen (contribs) 17:54, 2 December 2007 (CET)

Just curious, did we have a malfunctional "Fear Me!" pic?  Shen (contribs) 17:36, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Yeah, thats why I uploaded a new 1. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  18:33, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * And I really dont get your comment on Weapon of Fury. It only needs 33% to work to full effectiveness for charging fear me, but it would take 63% to get it to charge in 2 attacks.  Please explain what you meant. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  18:39, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Ahh, for some reason I thought 50% meant a charge in two hits. Never mind then, I see now. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]] Shen (contribs) 18:55, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Actually the adrenaline breakpoints for Fear Me are at +8% for 3 hits and +60% for 2, according to GWiki. Kabu To 19:20, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Meh, math skills bad. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  19:22, 2 December 2007 (CET)

IMO splinter and warmongers > WoF. Use a better elite. Swiftslash \\  (contributions  * sandbox ) 19:09, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Not really since WoF helps charge adrenaline and maintains energy on the sins, which increases damage (more spammable attack skills due to more enrgy) and more e-denial because of more Fear Me! usage going on. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  19:16, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Frees up elite for better elite. Energy on sins shouls be fine and with dual spams on moeb and just general spam on shatter you get zomfgbbq amounts of adren anyways. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 20:16, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Energy isn't fine, and wtf you're actually serious bout taking splinter @ ta? - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  13:48, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * No warmonger's. I was just speaking generally. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 15:30, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * Anyway, WoF is leet in this. Gives the assa's energy(which they will need alot with moebius/shattering spamming), charges up fear me like cupcakes. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  10:44, 17 January 2008 (EST)

I'm trying to think of some positive changes, but everything I've tried so far has just ended up being a Moebius + "Fear Me!" variant of the Shattering Sinsmite build. Kabu To 19:37, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * Thats the way thge build originally was, but with no counter-blocking skills and no enchantment removal, guardian would be a counter to this build. As every1 with a brain carries guardian, its better to have enchant removal, stance removal, damage, and e-denial all wrapped together in a nice little thing called a Shattering Assault assassin. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  19:46, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * SA is much better

Btw, take leaping + dash on the moebius. This way you got a reliable snare + no need for enchanting to start combo's. - Unexist  10:45, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Why...
...did you create a new image, Ressmonkey_Fear_Me.jpg, when that image is already on the server, as "Fear_Me!".jpg??? --ChrisRodrigues 14:00, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * Cuz it wasnt working for the mini skill bar. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  14:04, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * No, u typed it wrong...--[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  14:08, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * No really didnt, there was a problem with fear me on mini skill bars that appears to have been fixed. If I typed it wrong it just would have been a red link, but it came up as soem sort of "Unable to conscript to ememory" error or something. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  14:35, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Moebius
Perhaps this build would be better:

Archive:A/D Death Blossom Farmer

[build prof=A/D name="Death Blossom Farmer" dag=10+2 sha=8+1 cri=10+1+2 earthp=8][Golden Phoenix Strike][Critical Strike][Moebius Strike][Death Blossom][Critical Defenses][Critical Agility][Mystic Regeneration][Way of Perfection][/build]

-- Tensaryu &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.8.155.205 (contribs).
 * It wouldn't. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 11:40, 20 January 2008 (EST)
 * PvE builds are called PvE builds because they are designed for PvE, not for (serious) PvP. --Makku 11:49, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Seems quite lacking in snares, siphon speed is easily removed. 70.128.35.202 17:48, 22 January 2008 (EST)
 * And reapplied. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  18:14, 22 January 2008 (EST)

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Should this be due to "Fear Me!" getting OMGWTFnerfed? Its not so great without the fear me spammablility. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  17:18, 23 January 2008 (EST)
 * Absolutely. WoF is wasted. -Shen 17:20, 23 January 2008 (EST)
 * IMO archive, fear me is sucks now, and this team is built around that one skill. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 11:06, 24 January 2008 (EST)