User talk:Armond/archive10

i thought
you left us. and it looks like you still have ur admin powers. CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:19, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * DB crash made him go back to admin (personally he should stay as one, he's pretty cool). But hey, it's your choice. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]]  Guild  of   Deals   16:20, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * DB crash gave me a few admin powers, which I intend to abuse for spam removal, but only until I leave for work-like things in ten minutes or so. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:22, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * so i take it you'll be one of the more.. inactive ones, but an admin nonetheless. CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:24, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * No - I expect to lose my admin powers as soon as a bureaucrat gets on wiki.
 * Actually, I'll cave to a point. I'll let Auron and DE decide. If either of them want me to stay an admin (if only to help sort out copyright issues that came with the crash), I will, but I doubt I'll be any more active than I have been lately. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:25, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * yay, i get to change the admin thingy. CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:26, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * ouch, demoted. CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:58, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * armond is gud admin :( -- Infested Hydralisk ( Talk * Contributions ) 17:11, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * He did manage to get in 2 bans :P  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  17:13, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

SWG?
You used to play? Quel server?--Golden Star 19:33, 11 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Noep. But I'm always looking for the good and bad points of random video games so I can make my MMO better. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * gives a good idea of the history of SWG, gives you an idea of the skill system used. I'll explain both in further detail when I get some free time--Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]Star 19:45, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * are u making a MMO? ;o -- Infested Hydralisk ( Talk * Contributions ) 19:58, 11 September 2008 (EDT)


 * No, the big survey things on my PvX and GWW userpages are just for show. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 20:10, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * zzz sarcasm on the internet. Anyway, take a look at the SWG skills system, you won't find a better model for how skills should be done anywhere else--Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]Star 22:25, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

THIS IS OUR SEALED DECK, FAILURES
-- Armond Warblade 13:45, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I smell epic caster hate. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  14:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Meh, it was weird the way you guys interrupt Sig of Devo.Pika Fan 17:49, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Fuck, I missed it? I spent the last fifteen minutes putting a build together. :< --71.229 18:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * You missed it, but we'll do moar tomorrow. Also, I'ma try to get this sorta planned out in advance. Eurofags and their time zones are gonna be a problem though... More information after I mow the lawn. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 18:34, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * What timezone are you in? --71.229 18:42, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * He's US something or other. Also, Interrupting Sig of Devo = Gale + Leech Sig. I actually exhausted all my energy at one point when we were pressuring you back into your base. Was awesome. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  18:46, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * You failed. On another note, I fucking hate blackout. (Also, EST.) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Armond I think I said I thought your voice sounded bad. I'm sorry :<  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  19:40, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * You were on the other team tbh. It's Tab who said my mic sounded bad. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * There was someone from your channel who joined ours to tell us how bad we were and people said it was you :O  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 19:45, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, you mean the "what the fuck was that?" "that was IWAY, why the fuck did you have so much lame defense?" part? Yeah, that was me. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 20:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

@Cedave. I only got galed once during that match. I saw the other mez waste interrupts while I was cancelling Sig of Devo.Pika Fan 19:51, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

ATTENTION: See here. Thanks. -- Armond Warblade 20:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I forgot to spec to 5, so I kept trying to Gale you and kept failing. It worked 5/6 times on your flagger though. Lol. Also, the other mez was E-Surge, so that's didn't really matter. I would've rather run E-Surge meself because Panic was failing so bad against you guys most of the time. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  20:36, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * E Denial was bad too, because I am used to running 25-35 energy for my monk. Panic was slightly better than E-surge because we were spamming sig of devo anyway. It adds a lot of pressure. Furthermore, we had a BiP spammer.Pika Fan 20:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I kept Inspired-ing BiP. I was like YO WTF. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  20:48, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Dude, we had such a failure of a BB bar we had to run BiP so I could pressure. Spikes were worse, especially once I got DP. I think for one of our monks we just gave up on fitting emanagement in the bar too, so we threw bip on him... -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 21:00, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Both Pie and me had drain enchant, but tbh it wasn't enough as heal other was my only pressure/semi-spike heal.Pika Fan 21:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * My BB bar was bad, too. also, you overextend a lot for SD :( - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 21:04, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Overextention is how you win games. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 21:05, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe if you have decent heals and prots. That was a bad deck for heals and it just got you DP. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 21:07, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * That much I noticed. Did you see how long I ate dirt at the end of the first match? At least I got to tell people "CATAPULT IS ARMED, PIKA NEEDS TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE MIDDLE" -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 21:10, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I was having a hard time deciphering accents and wondering what was going on to notice. The second time we did it I didn't fail too badly. >_> Tab. Ahahahahaha.Pika Fan 21:12, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Was it Tab that you guys blew up the second match? I saw someone go down and we had full red bars. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 21:15, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Your single aegis was epic anti-pressure, Pika. Panic, that was Shadow, we just lacked any sort of squishies to target and so went after monks... and happened to get the same monk. Then he called a spike and our SoH-buffed eviscs just tore him apart. Tab probably helped with an epic pblock or two, and I'll bet our signet mes did some awesome edenial, but all in all you just weren't built for what you ran into. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 21:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

@Pika, Drain Enchant is fodder for LeechSig/PDrain. Was almost as brave as your necro using Bone Minions. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  21:27, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * No, Pie and I were running Aegis chains. Their warriors weren't really putting up much of a struggle considering how easy it was to negate the pressure with simply guardian. In fact, I didn't use aegis until mid-game to late-game. I did notice pie stopped using aegis late game because single aegis was enough tbh. I screwed up a couple of infusions at the start, but got used to it later during the game. <3 Our frontline and midline who were so epic in protecting us monks so we could do our job really well. @cedave I only got drain interrupted once. The rest of the 3 times I used it were successful.@panic Yeah, tab blew up from the catapults, and the same thing happened to me on the first game.Pika Fan 21:31, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

i got no message for this =( made me sad -- Infested <font color="#8B4513">Hydralisk ( Talk * Contributions ) 21:35, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Awww *gives hydra a pikachuberry cookie*Pika Fan 21:36, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

<3


ups. <font color="#0099FF">CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 11:56, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Wuts a tilde? God  box    12:01, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I ec'd myself 3 times trying to sign. stfu. >.> [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  14:06, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
 * no no no only i has selfEC skillz -- Infested <font color="#8B4513">Hydralisk ( Talk * Contributions ) 17:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * damn got EC'd with myself -- Infested <font color="#8B4513">Hydralisk ( Talk * Contributions ) 17:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

hay guess what
msn me when ur online next. i has infos you and others might want for stuff. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  16:57, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Added cover hex on bind necro and SoLS in variants for energy. Not that it matters too much but revote plox? I is   * Je b us *    <font size=0.5>Enter my contest! 21:07, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

For some reason...
I think your weird... <font color="#1EC843">—ᶁaɽⱪɘʃʂ  <font color="#FF6600">ӍͼÇɧɑoᶊᶆoᶇǥɘɼ . 18:27, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * For some reason, everyone thinks you're dumb. Wonder why that is. <font color="#69c">—Tab <font color="#69c"> McPiplup  <font color="#69c">ツ  18:28, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Armond is weird, but also incredibly awesome. gg. Also, he's on facebook. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  21:08, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I THOT U SED PVXWIKI R BAED AT GWS ON VENT LAST NITE hurr... <font color=#0000d0>—Colonel [[image:Col.NFsig.jpg|Talk]]<font color=#0000ff>N. <font color=#2d2dff>F <font color=#0000ff>ツ 10:56, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

If you're going to troll people
Makes some fake names k? ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ  02:46, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

WoW
Play moar, ftw. <font color=#0000d0>—Colonel <font color=#0000ff>N. <font color=#2d2dff>F <font color=#0000ff>ツ 10:55, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Lol its not that bad, still works in RA and AB. Dont know why they have HA tag.-- Shadow 11:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * They remove HA and TA and I'll change my vote, and I'm sure Armond will, too. Otherwise, the build isn't even worth being called shit in HA. Sins blow up easy, and one that's trying to constantly front-line is gonna get linebacked and blown up. See my vote for more info kthx. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  13:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


 * You trying to tell me they don't have savage shot in RA? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Interruption owns everything, not just Sins. Assassin chains are hurt a little more by disabling (D-Shot) because of the lead, off-hand, dual attack prerequisites, but if you had Eviscerate or Wounding Strike D-Shotted, you wouldn't be very happy, either. Tbh, I submitted that build when I still liked Sins. XD ــмıкε  нaшк  17:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


 * The point is that's an especially predictable chain - if I gave a crap I'd be able to interrupt it every time past the first, but then I wouldn't be in RA/FA - that's also very slow (lack of IAS makes it far easier to both interrupt and heal/prot against - nat stride says hai, btw) and, to be frank, weak. Sins can't solo-spike anymore - and the game's far better off for it if you ask me - but people still seem to want to try. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:46, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Sins can't do much any more; they've become nearly worthless in PvP, tbh. When I first started playing a Ranger, some of the easiest D-Shots I've ever made were on Iron Palm in the Beguiling Haze Deadly Arts "spike". ــмıкε  нaшк  18:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, well, the word "assassin" carries with it some connotations. You can't blame people for assuming that "One who murders by surprise attack, especially one who carries out a plot to kill a prominent person" is supposed to be able to kill people by surprise attack (regardless of game balance issues). -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 18:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Fire Emblem style assassins imo. Critical hits have a 50% chance of being 1-hit kills.  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  19:06, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * OSHT DON'T TELL IZZY HE MIGHT UPDATE THEM TO BE THAT [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  19:07, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


 * 25%* -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:10, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Build:A/E PvP Way of the Assassin
now it's not tagged for places where it's going countered like a nigger bitch mexican. gogo revote higher if you feel obliged. ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  19:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


 * The fact that people in RA are retarded doesn't make the build any better. It can't clean-spike, it can't get around enchantment removal, it takes forever to spike, and one orison or kiss renders the entire spike worthless (much less a guardian or aof mid-spike). Lacks IAS and has to trade IMS for res sig in most places; it doesn't deserve much higher than I gave it. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:13, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Owait, has IAS. It's just... really awful. An 18% IAS isn't awesome. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * It only needs rez for RA, so you can have an IMS in AB and CM. ــмıкε  нaшк  19:47, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Did you not read any of my rant except the res part? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 20:56, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh, I don't agree with the rest of it. It spikes faster than most melee, has a KD mid chain and puts out decent pressure between spikes with high DPS. Rating down a build because it can be out-healed or protted against isn't right, because those apply to all melee. ــмıкε  нaшк  21:11, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * So any build that is countered by guardian, diversion etc etc should be rated 1-1? *Runs and rates every single build 1-1*. <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 21:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


 * @Mike: No, see, it doesn't matter if it spikes faster than most melee, it's still a six-second "spike". That's not a spike, that's elongated (single-target) pressure. It also can't do crap outside of its spike, because even with conjure, dagger dps is just nothing worth noticing.
 * @Pika: A lot of them, yeah. If something can be completely killed by Diversion or Dshot (like a dshot to your lead, or your kd in a kd-as type build, or what have you), it's probably trash. Do bear in mind that if it can actually do something outside of those factors, it's not trash. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 21:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I will find more builds that you can rate 1-1 <3.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 21:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Its just regular Golden Phoenix Strike->Wild Strike->DB spam but with Golden Fang. Please don't use the easily countered excuse, unless you think shock axe sucks. Im pretty sure you know this already and are just being a dick though.-- Shadow 21:20, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Here's a better example . Diversion clearly screws this build up QQ.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 21:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * (ECs)The BB Sin is a 5-6 second spike, and anything else that tries to solo spike won't likely achieve anything faster. Archive:A/any Deadly Arts Spike Sin and Archive:A/any BH Spike Sin were 8-second spikes (excluding aftercast in their shadow steps), and the Deadly Arts builds and Archive:A/D Grenth's Grasp Assassin weren't enough to kill a foe with little more than 500 health while Build:A/E PvP Way of the Assassin can deal over 600 damage in its spike, and constantly reapply DW and pressure through high DPS. ــмıкε  нaшк  21:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

@Pika: Armond already rated down the GG Sin. XD ــмıкε  нaшк  21:35, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * The GG Sin has a number of counters, and a lot of weaknesses. This build does, too. The BB, however, can't be countered as easily because your target, probably a monk or mesmer, is lying on their ass. @Mike, GG Sin, however, has a snare, IAS, and IMS. Your build is just another example of why this wiki fails a bit. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  22:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Stuff to bring to PvE
Required:


 * 1) "Save Yourselves!"
 * 2) "There's Nothing to Fear!"
 * 3) Great Dwarf Weapon
 * 4) Order of Pain
 * 5) Enfeebling Blood
 * 6) Strength of Honor
 * 7) Splinter Weapon
 * 8) Ancestor's Rage
 * 9) Earth Shaker
 * 10) Stunning Strike
 * 11) Dark Fury
 * 12) Barbs
 * 13) Mark of Pain
 * 14) Xinrae's Weapon
 * 15) Protective Spirit
 * 16) Song of Purification
 * 17) Ebon Battle Standard of Honor

Damn nice:


 * 1) Pain Inverter
 * 2) Cry of Pain (secondary mesmers?)
 * 3) Brawling Headbutt (dslash warrior, req entire bar)
 * 4) Blood is Power (for lack of a better elite on EB/GDW bot)
 * 5) Mend Body and Soul
 * 6) Ranger interrupter (choking gas? IA/interrupts? magebane?) because orders works with bows
 * 7) Expel Hexes x2 or a monk that can switch between Divert Hexes and some other elite (Shield of Deflection or Restore Condition)
 * 8) Unyielding Aura healer, if a monk healer must be had
 * 9) Foul Feast (perhaps on SoHbot?)
 * 10) Insidious Parasite
 * 11) Necrosis
 * 12) Rigor Mortis
 * 13) Rip/Rend Enchantments
 * 14) Rising Bile
 * 15) Shatter Enchantment
 * 16) Mind Blast + Rodgort's Invocation, but what else to put on the bar
 * 17) Nightmare Weapon
 * 18) Warmonger's Weapon - put on MS/DB/flurry sin?
 * 19) Anthem of Envy
 * 20) Merciless Spear/Vicious Attack/Blazing Spear
 * 21) Chilling Victory
 * 22) Wounding Strike
 * 23) "You Move Like a Dwarf!"
 * 24) "Finish Him!"

Now figure out how to put these all into a team build. -- Armond Warblade 15:01, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
 * You forgot Ineptitude. Everything auto-attacks so = gg. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  15:24, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Inept is nice, but for 20r, I'd honestly rather have BiP on the mesmer or something like that. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Bar space. ;_; --71.229 15:43, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Got rid of Arage, Barbs, and something else I cant remember, oh yeh strengh of honor, not needed for 1 melee tbh. Can swap stun para for Magbane or IA ranger, can swap war for WS derv. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 16:18, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, can probably put minions in for rigor, nothing blocks in PvE well, or for very long. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 16:21, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Thanks guys. I'll work on my own after Brisingr. Think Foul Feast spam + Soul Reaping will be enough to maintain SoH x3? (Shadow, you coulda put SoH on the paras, too...) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


 * It wouldn't do anything though. Melee attacks only.  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  16:30, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Song of Purification triggers more when you're bonded. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:37, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Lacks weakness and prot spirit, but makes up for them with bonds. Lacks barbs, mark of pain, etc, but I think there's enough damage going around to make up for it. Also lacks SoP, AR, and earth shaker, but daze > earth shaker and drawbot + MBaS almost > SoP. AR is missed, but there's still plenty of damage... My real worries are enchantment and hex removal. I guess daze/outdamage the enchantments and hope convert + expel are enough for the hexes... -- Armond Warblade 19:16, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Convert + Expel should be plenty. --71.229 19:32, 26 September 2008 (EDT) i thought the idea was to use as many of the skills as possible, lol

. make edits to that. <font color="#0099FF">CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 19:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


 * That list was just a bunch of all the good things to have in PvE. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 20:00, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

/-- Shadow 20:34, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

User:Teh_Uber_Pwnzer/7_Heroes. Only has 9/17 your required skills, but is still pretty good. Modify that to use some more PvE only skills and it would probably be great.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 19:51, 29 September 2008 (EDT)


 * imo double paitent on the first build = fail, make one orison Riff 15:15, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

:(
-  Vanguard  11:58, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Stuff DoA has to counter farming builds
go. Ideally I'll be able to just run the SFSA farmer thing and be done with it... though getting my sin through nightfall will be a pain... -- Armond Warblade 23:36, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Foundry can be a bitch to farm because of the opening and closing room mechanic. Gloom is easy to farm. Lots of monks in City can make it a pain. Touchers in the last area I forget the name of make it fucking hard to farm, trappers is pretty much the only way or hit and run with degen and ranged damage using Muddy Ground. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 19:39, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Pianc said I was bad, so clarification, TEAMS of trappers for the last one. Also, don't use blocking or you will get raped due to the environmental effect there. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 19:47, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Q_Q
Napalm was actually gonna be cool and not troll this time! ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  00:30, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
 * that's not what failnaxkian said. [[Image:ViYCabooseSig1.png|100px]] <font color="#0099FF">(LVPoW) 19:48, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, it seems that it's actually not Napalm, or some silliness. I'm not exactly sure what's going on, but i'll direct you here for lulz and BIG MYSTERIES of who that link might be. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  00:48, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, failnaxian is sysop. is also fail. ups. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  00:48, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

So, I played the Tabula Rasa demo thing
And it fucking rocks. It's GW + First Person. It's like GunZ but with a non-fail Storymode. I know I just made my guild, but I might have a new addiction. ups. ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  22:18, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Toldya so. Incline isn't that good though, but content patches may have changed that.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 12:59, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

User:Steve/Build:W/any Weaponswapping Knocklocker
This isn't GvG or HA; Aura of Stability is pretty uncommon. Blinding Flash will counter most melee, too. ــмıкε нaшк  17:00, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't even try and salvage the build-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 17:05, 4 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Aura stab's one of the more minor counters, but are you trying to tell me that you're never going to run into any form of antimelee at all ever while running that? Even Faintheartedness kills that because you can't get your attacks off for another knockdown, and without knocklock, that's just not worth running.
 * The fact that most melee is countered by blind/block/miss/etc doesn't mean it's ok for this one to be countered by it. Things like shock axe can still get stuff done while blinded; the moment this is blinded, it's essentially a waste of a character slot. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:06, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock Axe can use Shock while it's blinded. That's it. Cripslash Warriors are also useless when blinded. Rating a build down because of its counters doesn't really make sense, tbh. ــмıкε  нaшк  17:13, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Okay, I'm gonna say it. You're retarded.  —Ska Kid [[Image:Skakidasaur.gif|19px]] 17:14, 4 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Yes, yes it does.
 * Shock axe and whatnot have a semi-decent amount of damage when they hit outside their attack skills. This doesn't.
 * Besides, who uses shock axe in scrub arenas outside of syncing? Bad example; if you're going into scrub arenas you bring a condi removal because of blind. Then all you have to worry about is hex-style hate. Proper builds can still manage some damage through faint or blurred (not both, obviously); this can't do anything when hexed, and has no hex removal. At the very least, give it mtouch... but as you can't mtouch mid-chain, it'd still be bad.
 * -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:17, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ups, looks like everyone here has a case of nigger-itis. the remedy is an asshattery breakdown of your asshattery as performed by cedave:
 * shit gets countered. let's be fgts and bring up the single great melee build in existence. can i go trash every build that doesn't have a spell of other non-physical skill now? because that would be awesome. i might even risk a ban to prove the point here, as much as i love you armond.
 * the build is a shitty gimmick. the hammerbash axe faggotry that [qE] has been running in RA when they're bored doesn't make this build good, it just makes means [qE] has some freakishly skilled and mcbrave frontline players.
 * some of us are asshats (read: ska), some of us have a tendency to forget our hardhats when going to our weekly MENSA meetings (read: mike), meanwhile, the rest of us seem to keep ourselves occupied by shitting on or around shitty gimmicks (read: armond and cedave).
 * oh, and some of us are just plain bad (read: relyk).
 * now, if we all agree that being countered by meleehate make melee toons bad, i'm gonna go 1-1 all the melee builds that don't have a use while blinded. kthx.
 * [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  19:59, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
 * tl;dr: stop being niggers. it's a shitty gimmick, but rating it bad because of counters it raw goatse-loving faggotry. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  19:59, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
 * @ all of you, seriously? ......... ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 00:46, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * srs bsns. also, i'm still waiting to see if I can go 1-1 anything that isn't evis kthx. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  03:30, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Cedave, fundamental difference, if you fuck up any other warrior bar you still have the ability to use your other attack skills when your not blinded or being blocked. You're also not splitting your attributes by being proficient at 2 weapons, therefor you do more damage with a focused weapon attribute. If you fuck up back breaker your other pressure moves are useless as a result. How many times must it be said? I swear to god if you go 1 - 1 every melee build because of this stupid build dispute I will track you down and bitch slap you. It was a bad build, get over it please :<. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 09:57, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Apparently, Cedave's point was lost on you. The point was, having counters for a build does not make a build fail. Rather, it is the lack of focus/poor synergy of skills etc that decides a build is bad. Simple as that. P.S Most assassin chains rely on fixed skill usages. Do you trash BB sins and etc just because "if they fuck up back breaker your other pressure moves are useless as a result"? Of course not. Rate builds not because they have counters, but by their efficiency/universality kthx.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 10:58, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * tl;dr less shadow. read my 4 paragraph essay before commenting again kthx. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  11:20, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

It doesn't make a difference if u use SH and SF, Return or Natural Stride. They're nice variants, now 4-4 it >:(-- Shadow 11:16, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


 * No, SF and nat stride (on a monk, at least) are horrible in AB and should thus be on the main bar. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 13:10, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Tell that to Eric about natural stride :P Agree on SH>SF in AB though.  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  16:30, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * NS monks are good. Especially in AB. 86.146.223.80 16:41, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh, SH is overrated in AB. All that Ele would be good for is capping, while an SF can actually help against other players. Meteor Shower and SF will usually kill all of the NPCs at a shrine before the last Meteor hits, which is more than enough for capping. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:46, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ups +1<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 21:17, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * He's using MS. He's doin it wrong. 60 second recharge is fail. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  21:18, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * MS is good for capping shrines. Especially helpful when you want to interrupt monks at res shrines and to prevent dangerous hexes at the mesmer shrine. Bring glyph of sacrifice if you think the casting time is too long.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 21:23, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Pretty sure he said 60s recharge, not cast time. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 22:01, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You don't take like 15 seconds to cap from one shrine to another. 60 seconds is more than enough for ms to recharge as long you use it at the start of your chain.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 22:03, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


 * I just did AB like ten minutes ago (see below section). We were moving from engaging one shrine, to downing it in ~15 seconds, to running to the next shrine for ~15 seconds. MS would be less than halfway recharged. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 22:04, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Moral of the story: Use a better timer please kthx. Yours is broken.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 22:08, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Ignore above, I didn't notice 30 seconds total. Anyway, you don't need MS for every shrine. Just reserve MS for the more troublesome shrines like dual monks, lightning ele shrines, mesmer shrines.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 22:24, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * lol@troublesome shrines. it's fucking ai, just bring a lot of anti-attack and they'd end up killing themselves in 15 seconds. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  00:59, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Not everyone brings empathy, VoR and the like into ab. MS is actually decent even against humans because half of the pve scrubs in ab don't kite anyway.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 02:08, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You keep forgetting about the 60 second recharge. stop being terrible. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  02:17, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You keep forgetting you aren't supposed to use at every shrine, just the shrines that are annoyances.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 02:46, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

I wish i could cap every 15 seconds, i would win every time-- Shadow 23:15, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * If you're capping with your team members, which you should be, you don't even need to use MS. If you're solo-capping, Meteor Shower should recharge before you get to the next shrine because it takes forever for "that bar" (whatever you want to call it) to fill up, anyway. The point is, capping on your own is slow, so Meteor Shower is fine, capping with team members is so fast that SF will work as well as SH, and trying to fight an opposing teams with SH is just plain bad. ــмıкε  нaшк  07:22, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * 9/10 of the pve scrubs you pick up into your party run off in 7 different directions(don't ask me how 3 people can run away in 7 directions), so you DO need meteor shower 9/10 of the times.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 14:25, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Why the fuck are you pugging a team build in AB? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 14:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Because good players like you are always offline, away or busy >:(<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 14:37, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

it's ME!
That yelled your name in AB. for clarification. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  21:05, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Oh hey. Your contributions link goes to your other account, is that allowed? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 22:00, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Star of Exile is Tai. User:Star of Exile redirects to User:Tai and it's got an fixed text box with User:Star of Exile in the top right. :< --71.229 22:21, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Is that allowed? i wasn't sure, but, better to ask forgiveness than permission. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  22:37, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Sir Armond
i would like to take this opportunity to say that bacon tastes pretty damn good. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW)Cuz Steve said so... ツ 23:07, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Fuck you. Hard. I've been bacon-deprived since I got to this coast. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 01:09, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Armond Warblade and Dorian Strongblade would make a good team.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  01:22, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * mmm bacon. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 02:23, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I enjoy bacon, but it's crap over in England. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  07:13, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I enjoy waffles. Discuss. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  12:01, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * waffles + peanut butter + honey is my family's breakfast of choice. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 13:57, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * No chocolate chips or whipped cream?? [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  14:49, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Armond Baconblade shall be my next PvP character name.  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  15:22, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Fuck you kids and your bacon. I don't even know what this "bacon" tastes like. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:red;background-color:gold;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"> Guild  of   Deals   15:23, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ...  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  15:24, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * bacon fried, bacon nuked,I don’t care how my bacon’s cooked.Hickory-cured or right off the pig,Bacon’s the breakfast meat I dig.Bacon thick-cut or regular-size,Bacon elicits contented sighs.Bacon sizzling in hot grease,bacon brings me inner peace.[[Image:Halloween.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">HALLOW <font color="DarkOrange">WIKI 16:45, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

yeh
i made the mystic orders build. i was the first to use it and variants of it, too. I used to have a hard-on for ToPK for some reason. ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  00:29, 13 October 2008 (EDT)


 * ToPK is pretty awesome, but that build isn't anymore. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 08:28, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 * what's better tbh? last time i was there, that's what was still being run when B/P groups were running. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  15:19, 13 October 2008 (EDT)


 * PuGs are bad, btw. Also, lacks GDW/splinter, for a start. I kinda hit myself on the head with a hammer moving at around 4.95 meters per second, so you'll forgive me if I can't remember exactly what I was thinking at the time... but I'm pretty sure I put it all in my vote. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:09, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 * tbh, you're a fag. fixed though. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  19:16, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

To fix a team builder

 * 1) Right-click your TB shortcut on your desktop/start menu/quick launch.
 * 2) Find the "target" line. It'll be under one of them tabs.
 * 3) Change the target from "...\GW Team Builder.bat" to "...\gwtb.jar" (note the capitalization).
 * 4) Click apply.
 * 5) Keep your java installed. If you fuck with it, TB no longer has a way to check to see that it'll work before booting. However, so long as TB actually worked before you made the changes, it'll work after them too.

That's it. You no longer have that annoying blank popup screen at the beginning.

Now, if you want to go into the .exe (winrar lets you look into it, and winzip should too) and tell me how to modify the way the skill icons are loaded (I'm trying to get it to load from a bunch of jpegs instead of unpacking them from the .zip/.rar), and how to make the skill categories reference the anti-melee, anti-knockdown, etc, as they're defined in the .exe, that'd be win. -- Armond Warblade 18:49, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

GDW is on the Rits (who can cast it on others, as well), and Paragons<Rangers/Eles, tbh, although to take full advantage of Incendiary Arrows, you need an ally with Splinter Weapon for each Ranger (which there is). The SF Elementalists contribute a lot more than additional Paragons could considering it's AoE and the monsters in Urgoz's Warren are weak against Fire damage. Also, losing the unblockable damage (by terrain, as well) and Meteor Shower wouldn't be a great idea, especially for this area and against Urgoz.

Tbh, I wouldn't trade the strong heals (HB) for energy management (HC), seeing as you'll need a BiP, and it will actually decrease your healing efficiency, anyway. Arcane Mimicry would also be a bad idea on the UA's bar because it doesn't use any Healing Prayers so it wouldn't be able to take advantage of Healer's Covenant, Healer's Boon or any other Elites used in the team, anyway.

As for Wounding Strike, mebbe these instead of the Rt/D frontliners?

I'd have to find room for Great Dwarf Weapon on someone else, but I could replace both Monks for these: [build prof=E/Mo EnergyStorage=10+1+3 SmitingPrayers=11 HealingPrayers=10][Infuse Health][Heal Party][Mindbender][Great Dwarf Weapon][Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Strength of Honor][Resurrection Chant][/build]

[build prof=necro/assa curses=12+1+3 soulre=10+1 deadly=8][Mark of Pain][Barbs][Enfeebling Blood][Meekness][Foul Feast][assassin's promise][ebon vanguard assassin support]["Finish Him!"][/build] I'd probably end up putting the build back into trial and reworking it, though, which I wouldn't mind, tbh. ــмıкε нaшк  11:19, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

The worst hammer warrior ever
don't even remember his name but he was so terribad. I was running a ganker ele and he bullsed me, while i was standing still, crushing blowed me, then hammer bashed oO wtf? Also R E C O V E R Y = the worst infuser in HA ever, decided instead of infusing he would HP when everyone but the ele was at full health, nice fucking joke. Riff 19:50, 26 October 2008 (EDT)


 * What about the dude that left you to degen while I attuned? (Tbh, I thought he was dead already or I would have dropped another mind blast.) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 09:08, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * i raged at him for that xD kicked told him to uninstall gw and go cut his wrists because my cat could infuse better than that. what a moron. Riff 18:26, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
 * wow. apparently it was his brother, and i haven't been kicked off gw yet for the update xD Riff 03:09, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

I heard ARMOND WARBLADE is a strong PvEist  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  06:51, 28 October 2008 (EDT)