User talk:Mafaraxas/Archive 2

first. &mdash;  Skakid  00:02, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
 * that was a little too quick. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 04:19, 17 March 2008 (EDT)


 * srry?[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  04:22, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

whatever. -- Mafaraxas 00:17, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Eh...
Don't edit my user page. ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡ ͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡ I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l  ̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡*  21:12, 27 March 2008 (EDT)


 * But I didn't change anything :D --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 21:56, 27 March 2008 (EDT)


 * You added 1 character. ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡ ͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡  I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l  ̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡*  22:07, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

test. -- Mafaraxas ( talk  &bull;  contribs )
 * oh right, the small tag. -- Mafaraxas ( talk  &bull;  contribs ) 06:25, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
 * nvr --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 12:07, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

aesthetically-pleasing
Who knew Anyone but me knew such a cool word--GRAARR  / RESETTI  Crossfire  17:08, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Dont and Cedave come to mind. -- Mafaraxas ( talk  &bull;  contribs ) 17:12, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 4srs. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  21:21, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

MAFARAXAS!!
We already did frostmaw but we can do the other two tomorrow if you want. cba to repeat frostmaw :< its like the most stupidly painful think we've ever done. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ  00:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
 * aight, cool. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 00:32, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I want love, too. T_T [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  00:16, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

So i herd we lrnd how2 dual primary
 ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  05:34, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

I heard
Ur a noob. u just ruined a perfect 5-5-5 on the new Ranger scyther Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 19:48, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
 * cry more. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 21:36, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think we need less Scythe Rangers and more builds that are actually useful and decent. Gimmicks are, well, gimmicky. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  19:37, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The vote is quite wrong too. Considering it got enchantment removal, poison and deep wound. 33% IAS with a scythe is just stupid and the build deserves nothing else than a 5 in effectiveness. God  box    10:40, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Doesn't help that the build is marked for everything, either. Every vulnerability imaginable and nothing to compensate.  Shock axe has shock and dchop.  Believe it or not, you're expected to have some survivability going into RA/AB/CM. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 11:38, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Can I just add that I find it hilarious that a Ranger with a scythe is considered great, but a ranger with daggers is bad? How about just using the fucking bow you've got and putting that +2 in Marks to use. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  22:47, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Archive:R/A Shattering Assault Ranger gogo. i think part of the reason it got vetted in the first place is because some random guild beat a top 100 guild with a couple of them. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 04:20, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's so awful it makes awful look good, tbh. WEAPON SWAPPING DSHOT FTW. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  17:16, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Needs moar lameshit


I think I got some skills from your build right. But who gives a shit either way. Sig Smiters and wtfhealers ftw.  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  06:40, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, Life Bond whoring is good. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  06:41, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * osht. I just realized we won't have our epic 6-blind team with this. needs moar triple classing. maybe the necro can be traded for a rit. lawl. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  06:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Usually something like that. Echo or Mantra of Recovery if blind isn't needed.  We need prot spirit somewhere, seeing as the boss hits for ~300 damage with his Deathly Swarm. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 12:30, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That'd mean we need Shelter tbh. But I think all the Bonding might be whoring enough. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  16:09, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Fucking fail. Once HC disappears from the UA's bar, they take it off themselves. Seriously lame. I'll change up the UA's bar to be a protter since. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  16:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Tags
all count as build tags. <font color="#0099FF">Ace (LVPoW) 20:22, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

How is

 * 1) 602000 hexadecimal? o.O ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  12:41, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Never mind me, I fail. Those 0s are confusing. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  12:41, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * heheh. I'd copied it off of Template:Archived-Build anyhow, which is what I got the impression you did originally for the others. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 12:44, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, kind of, but I couldn't find a color for the header at Archived-Build and Sazzy's colors just looked odd so I made up something from Photoshop. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  12:48, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It looks lovely :o  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:06, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ah, i actually improvised on the header too. but the background is there. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 16:25, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Math Question
16*12/2+3 € ╠╣ Ω¥†\╩/ ∞  [ ÞΩ┌┐Ð ]   13:53, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * grats, but you want to post the answers on User:Bluemilkman/answers, since he's the one that does that userbox, not me. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 14:01, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

At least it looks pretty...
It should be mentioned that you shouldn't attempt to WikiCode a table, as well as work out a couple things that you know should work, but haven't attempted before, while on very little sleep. But I'll be damned, it's up and it's pretty. Check it out on my User Page. It has cool links and everything! Haha. See what I do for our Vanquishing careers? <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  02:39, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You failed at # btw. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  16:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * kk -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 16:44, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, we're up to 3 human players. Now Olias can get a break from getting wtfpwned everytime anything looks at him wrong. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  16:52, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

In re Community Portal
Do you know who this is? <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ terribad mcfail  (contributions☆buildpage)  22:20, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * whoru? -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 23:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * OSHT. Anyway, before I got EC'd: Lawl. I was spamming. Something or whatever "bannable offense" gg pointless crap. In other words, dun worry about it. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  23:27, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * See Community Portal talk for lulz. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  23:28, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

On a random note, am I the only one that liked Costume Brawl last halloween? -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 23:41, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, yes you are. ALSO, ON AN UNRELATED TOPIC, I WAS TROLLING GToB LAST NIGHT IN CAPSLOCK AND IT WAS EPIC. ALSO, DANE COOK WOULD MAKE AN AWESOME DENTIST. Also, there is a better way to make random number generators. Use parser functions to win. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  11:52, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
 * go ahead and win in my place; i'm no programmer tbh. I can do theory, sure, but wikicoding ftl -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 11:54, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

You know what's fucking awesome?
When your guildie manages to cause a party wipe in NM by over-aggroing when I'm on my Imbagon Surivor who's at 800k xp. I raged a bit, and I'm seriously debating leaving the guild right now.. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  21:54, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * On a related note, if you wanna do shit tonight, you're gonna have to catch me outside of gw to let me know. I'm /raging for a bit atm. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  22:01, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * mindless grinding is the way to go for survivors, man. if you don't want to do it, just hire one of them local illinois mexicans to do it for you for $1 an hour. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 22:05, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * did I mention that sucks balls? another tip for survivor: have your guild window open, and if things turn ugly, just hit the Visit Guild Hall (or whatever it's called) button. Granted, you wouldn't expect to wipe with an imbagon, but... eh.  the whole thing sucks balls. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 22:08, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I think it's time I start/find a good guild, tbh.. I'm tired of crap players. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  22:49, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm wondering if I should just go for Survivor on a Mes now... I dunno if I can be asked to take a para through all of that again.. We'll see. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  22:57, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Survivor on mes is was what I was gonna suggest tbh -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 23:04, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeh. Para's are great and all, but for serious, fuck that. I'll make a PvE Mes named Danny Deranged. lol. I guess I've already got a Greater Guardian Spear I can give him, too. And a selection of shields. :P [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  13:39, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I had a mesmer survivor.. but lost it because Saz was watching TV while monking for me :3 ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  13:47, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeh. It'll be a bit harder with the lower armor, but I figure I'll be fine anyway. I'll just run a shield set and pray things don't hurt me too much. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  18:03, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Me/W Defy Pain tbh. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 18:55, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 * That's pretty brave tbh. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  21:47, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Ur so baed
Get on GW now bitch. <3 <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave   (contributions☆buildpage)  21:35, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
 * but i wanted to go to tosche station to pick up some power converterssssssss -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 21:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
 * i dun care. i wanna sync Vizunah so i have a reason to not do my outline. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  21:56, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I'mma go do shit, prolly. I'll be Away on GW if you log on. AIM me ftw. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  22:11, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Running golemspike is like getting on a bus while you've got a blindfold on.
There's a chance you're getting on a regular bus, but it's more likely that the short bus stopped to pick you up. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  23:39, 18 September 2008 (EDT)


 * I didn't know people couldn't go back and forth between spiking and using the utility skills on their bars. ffs. It was almost as bad as a PvX Rspike. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  23:40, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Rspike fails as long as I'm not part of it.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 00:56, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Or rather as long as we got Dutch in it. God  box    01:48, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Gollemspike? Stop being a wannabee wotu fag imo ;p Brandnew.  01:58, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm an immense saccer ;o -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 02:01, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I remember a golemspike I played the sacmonk for where I dc/d at Zaishen and managed to die. I had been bitching in all the previous matches that no one else was healing at all and I think that proved it. Fuck it's hard to keep a whole team alive using just one HB monk. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 04:18, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

No µ
i hope u lieks it. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  01:15, 22 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Fixed header. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  11:17, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * but if i catch 'em all, don't i get a mew OSHT COPYVIO µ? [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2"> ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  11:53, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * beat the 1337 4 and you get access to the cave with a level 70 µ2. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 11:59, 22 September 2008 (EDT) not to be confused with U2

Best build for Stolen Speed?
Plain synergy with:
 * Signet of Disruption
 * Discharge Enchantment
 * Diversion
 * Accumulated Pain
 * any hex heavy team build
 * high ping

It's also supposedly bugged in that it slows down all skill activations (instead of just spells) on the hexed target by 25%. So what would a RA/TA build look like for it? What about for HA/GvG (if it's at all viable there)? give me your best theorycrafting. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 12:13, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Everyone runs Conjure Nightmare and covers with Stolen Speed + Accumlated and plenty of interrupts. gg. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  15:22, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * by everyone you mean... noone? -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 16:15, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I mean we all run echo piercing trappers and own shit yeye. also, come rage wif me for lulz. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  16:19, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, selling Kerrsh's Staff for 35k = lolwutkthx? [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  16:35, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

BBing in PvE
is fucking epic. Tina <3s life a little more. ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  19:07, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * use it against abbadon tbh -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 21:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
 * i use it on shiro tbh. i hax teh servers so i can kd him. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  22:25, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Shards of Orr
I beat it.

It may have taken me from the time you got off until about 5 minutes before I'm commenting on this, but I did it. And I think it'd be much faster going given I know a few tricks now. ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  04:52, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * On the up side, in addition to mild bragging rights, I also got 12 gold drops. Lol. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  04:54, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and a stack of granite, 2 stacks of bone, and 23 steel ingots. salvage is good. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  04:55, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Unfortunately, you're a fag.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 05:49, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ups, guess that means ricky wants my cock. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  11:17, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Er... your monitor resolution isn't 1024 x 768, is it? you were just windowed, right? seems a little odd you would have uber awesome comp and terrible monitor. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 11:27, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ups. I'm getting a new monitor soon, but it was either a shitty LCD or a good giganto-box and I went with the LCD for space. It'll be solved this weekend though. I'll be getting a 22" monitor with max resolution of 2400x1600 or something. It's a wide screen, so a bit weird, but yeah. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  15:16, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Is a little ironic; i have a friend irl who has a 22" monitor but no good graphics card. I have a good giganto-box with 1600x1200, but i want to get a 22" pretty soon.  Most 22" are 1680x1050 afaik, and 30" monitors are 2560x1600. see here. I don't know why the monitor companies insist on widescreen everywhere; 4:3 ratio is gud tbh. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 18:13, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

any reason not to get this monitor specifically? and on an off-note, any reason you see why this monitor is $50 more? -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 00:56, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Dunno if you've figured it out yet, but the second has DVI ports and stuff. Lol.  Mr.  Big  07:07, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * they both have DVI ports. the more expensive one has HDMI.  doesn't matter anymore, anyways. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 10:43, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

best desktop ever
No matter how much distortion it gets, it looks cool.

hope you enjoy it. i can make modifications with any quotes or whatnot that you wish, but that's the one i made personally for myself. ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  02:26, 10 October 2008 (EDT)


 * also, copypasta this:  into your monobook.css to make PvX a happy place. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  02:39, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Eternal Grove HM
I'm saving myself (and my facton turnins) for you. :< -- Armond Warblade 10:44, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll come bbz. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  11:59, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll probably be available alot of tomorrow (saturday). -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 03:01, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I work until five Eastern today (Saturday), think you'll be on after that? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 09:03, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * yeh, sure. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 15:08, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

GET BACK ONLINE
you leave 10 minutes before i get on? nigger. ツ cedave  (☆contributions☆)  14:52, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

GvG Faggotry
User:Cedave/Waffleway gogo  ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  22:57, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

ups.
Tab 10:31, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * fucker -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 11:15, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * huh? [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  17:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Second from bottom. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:53, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * nosht. but what about it? [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  18:22, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * we've been trying to get 1,2,3,4,5 and 1,2,3,4,5,6 in the chat over the past week or two. We just need 1,2,3,4,5, then we can move on to 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 19:14, 14 October 2008 (EDT)


 * [[Image:Armond irony.jpg]]


 * Didn't get the 'fuck, I give up' from a couple minutes ago, but it was there. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 00:31, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Seriously
Are you going to WELL every PvE Team build. Come on man. -- <font color="#191970">An <font color="#191970">gel <font color="#191970">us  22:05, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, actually. When all the builds can be summed up by saying "Take big damages and some support" you don't need copy-filter-pastas of anything possible. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  00:44, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Wow, Cedave. We don't store ways of doing big damages and support? The entire point of the wiki (originally at least) was to store good team builds for both PvE and PvP. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 12:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * different teams of 5 physical damagers don't constitute new builds, they constitute a guide that should be written. It'd be like making one Pancakeway with a WS and an Erfshaker, then one with Dual WS, then one with Erfshaker/Evis, then one with dual Erfshaker. Get the point? [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  21:00, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You arent too smart. People come here to get ideas, usually less skilled players. You're telling me that a team build of 40 optionals just overtook every physical team build. --[[Image:Dervsig.png|15px]] <font color="#191970">An <font color="#191970">gel <font color="#191970">us  00:24, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
 * no, a team of 5 optional melee toons. stop being a fucking nigger kthx. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] ツ cedave   (☆contributions☆)  00:26, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Problem with your example is pancakeway meleers are bad unless they're dual ES or ES/WS. But yeah, if it's just the meleers that are different, just throw a bunch of different ones on the page and explain why they're good in what situations... the midline should be the meat of any PvE build, anyway. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 19:52, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Crushing Blow > Pulv Smash
because you're getting weakness from dev hammer anyway (or if you're not, wtf) and you can't do Hammer Bash --> Pulv Smash in an emergency. -- Armond Warblade 02:08, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 * then just don't use hammer bash. 4 adrenaline deep wound is still sexy... -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 11:46, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 * pulv smash is terrible ^^ Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:55, 18 October 2008 (EDT)


 * You could call it 4 adren dw, but... how do you get the knockdown with only 4 adren? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 15:52, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Bull's, gale, w/e. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 16:19, 18 October 2008 (EDT)


 * And in those situations crushing works just as well (and has a shorter recharge). -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:26, 18 October 2008 (EDT)