Archive talk:Team - Condition Pressure

Rick Rolled.  Frosty  No U!  20:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Toxcity on the ranger and remove marksmanship? Drownz 21:50, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Toxicity sounds good, but might not be worth your Marksmanship. I'd drop Barbed Arrows and Poison Arrow for Apply Poison and Magebane/Cripshot. ــмıкε  нaшк  22:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * This requires some brave ass monks. Ravager 01:40, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Degen Spreader rules in this, 40 > 14 with this. And Brave Monks are mandatory in GvG iirc?  Frosty  No U!  04:09, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * SoH taken out... pressure drops to almost 0. no? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 05:04, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol no, lrn 2 mesmer  Frosty  No U!  05:13, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * yeah seriously lol the team is called "condition Pressure" and that's what the mes is doing. applying pressure through disease and weakness. not that hard to understand =P Wikiguru 10:03, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol no, lrn 2 interrupt Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 05:17, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Not really, Good Msmr > Good Ranger  Frosty  No U!  05:17, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * So i wonder why people run rangers? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 05:20, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * To D-Shot other stuff? You can cancel cast a signet (obviously), also, Degen Spreading?  Frosty  No U!  05:22, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Stop being a scrub. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:04, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Hmmmmmm. Too bad there isn't some kind of skill that removes all conditions, then heals whatever damage was done because of sooo many conditions. Oh, and it should cost 5 energy! I'M A GENIUS! Berethor 06:09, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Sign your comments before coughing  Frosty  No U!  06:06, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * )h wait, I just put them ALL back on again!  Frosty  No U!  06:11, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Oops. Looks like I used it again! And look, we killed your mesmer! Oh well. Berethor 06:11, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * And as sooooon as just 1 hum sig gets through, oh dear, We Rolled you!  Frosty  No U!  06:12, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Dev Hammer = Moar condishunz? Gogey 09:38, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * you already have withering aura so no need for devastating69.118.239.99 09:43, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ....I knew that >> << Gogey 09:51, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Crip slash needs stonefist gauntlets why? KLogic!

So you get a longer knockdown with bull's strike Der  Pwnzer:   ohai  03:28, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Toxicity
Hurd it helps, and those center-euros are retards. Also, this build has been put up because it rolled 3 guilds, and none of them had a ranger. Rihadol 06:29, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

This has the same idea as Archive:Team - GvG Ranger Condition Pressure but has a different frontline. That has the smae conditions+burning. That has some minor energy denial and more better interupts while still providing the same pressure as this 1 imo. This i would work tho as i guess the cripslash and shock axe can gank.Zuko 09:15, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Rt/R with Run as One and you can pack toxicity--Underwood 23:37, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

LooL!
Haha, watched Team Empathy (afk) got rolled by this yeasterday.. Was kinda funny since the opposite team where like rank200+ and afk had more defense (snare, smte monk) and still lost.. thou the pressure was huge oO - btw cant rem they used crippslash.. Massive  09:52, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * They did.  Frosty  No U!  10:13, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I watched this build totaly destroy two opposing teams in 15 mins... This build rocks, if you know how to play.ValheruLord Tomas 05:24, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

There..
should be a seperate rating system for the braveness of a build. this gets a 5. (Kiron 19:00, 19 July 2008 (EDT))

Burning Arrow
As a variant? + apply poson? Gogey 08:55, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Degen doesn't won't pass -10 so all you'll be doing is countering Healing Breeze. XD I still think that the Ranger should be changed, because Poison Arrow is a pretty bad Elite. I'd take Cripshot or Magebane. ــмıкε  нaшк  10:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Without Barbed it is, with Barbed, obaby  Frosty  No U!  11:05, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You've already got Poison and Disease, so you won't miss that extra 2(3) degen. Besides, your Cripslash Warriors will also be using Bleeding. ــмıкε  нaшк  11:15, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
 * But they can't spread mad 7 degen around the team, think about it, when they're team starts to retreat, why not just add to their disease with -7degen (that's as much as burning). Poison Arrow is what makes this really condition pressure.  Frosty  No U!  11:17, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Apply poison is better. Take a better elite. Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 06:09, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Poison arrow + barbed is good here. Cripshot is pointless, Burning Arrow is less pressure, BHA is pointless, Magebane is overkill on interrupts between KDs and savage. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  06:22, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Drop 1 cripslash
and take a dom memser, to shutdown the rc more. -- / Hole    TALK TO ME  \ 12:35, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * no. &mdash;  Skakid  12:37, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

RC cant be shutdown 24/7 with 1 sig, and youre just giving away free 200 heals without proper shutdown. -- / Hole    TALK TO ME  \ 12:41, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh RC is gonna handle conditions being on all 8 people with a 2 second recharge? &mdash;  Skakid  12:43, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

40/40 set says hi, also Sig of hum is dshot bait. / Hole    TALK TO ME  \ 12:49, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's pretty obvious you've never played this. &mdash;  Skakid  13:03, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yup. as i laid back and thought about it... so i'll probably change vote later. But RC cannot cast RC on every single person ALL the time. and his/her energy pool will not be very big if he keeps spammign it on recharge. Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 13:08, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Yet, dom mesmers rape hard. / Hole    TALK TO ME  \ 21:06, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yet, there simply is no need. DPS > useless chars. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  13:02, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Barbed + PA rangers are bad
&mdash;  Skakid  12:37, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * True story--Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]Star 16:15, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * What would you recommend? That's all I have seen from this type of team build  Frosty  No U!  16:17, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Cripshot or Magebane. =P ــмıкε  нaшк  16:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Cripshot. You're maintaining poison and disease on them already anyway. Bleeding on top of that seems a bit overkill. Mainly RC food, though it has its uses. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  17:05, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok added cripshot.  Frosty  No U!  01:54, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Why'd u put PA back? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:08, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's meta, if it's meta it should go back.  Frosty  No U!  16:09, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Why do you love the meta so much. You can do something un-meta-ish and still achieve your goal you know... Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:12, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Meta is run because it is the best way to achieve said goal (win), since this wiki is elitist, the best version of the build should be there.  Frosty  No U!  16:17, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Meta isn't the BEST way to achieve best goal... do you actually know what the meta means? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:20, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * What is used by most if not all teams when it comes to that type of build. eg Axe Warrior, meta for that is Shock Axe, for condition Pressure, this is meta.  Frosty  No U!  16:31, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Cripshot is meta, I don't think Poison Arrow and Barbed Arrows are. >.> ــмıкε  нaшк  18:01, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * In condition Pressure teams, PA + BA is meta.  Frosty  No U!  18:55, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Shh. &mdash;  —Ska Kid  23:43, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Cripshoot tbh...
Altough you miss your 3degen from bleed which allready the Crippslash have i think a Snare on Demand whit 3melee is pretty naise, also when spamming Poison Arrow you will lose ALOT of your ability to interrupt also PA is sooo Dhsot food to x) Altough when im Ranger i even Dshot Evis, Crippshot and even Magebane oO Also Crippshot is more Splitability, defensive, tbh offensive and a asset to a team :) Having the Tainter and PA wont help a shit in splits oO Massive   09:31, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yea D-Shot a 1 sec recharge SKILL, gg, And if they split you, just rape their stand.  Frosty  No U!  09:56, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You won't rape them without ranger, as every snare and aegis gets through. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:33, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Current Meta?
Dual Aegis and Dual Ineptitude and Smite monk Archive or? I dont really think 3x Warrior's is effective almost at all in current meta ./ Massive   06:19, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Dual aegis doesn't matter, it's always been standard. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:11, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Build questions
Here are a few things about this build: —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  16:32, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * 2 Cripslash. Swords suck and one is just for proper training. Having 2 would make your dps go balls low.
 * Poison arrow. Not really that strong, and it sucks at splitting. Taking a cripshot would make you be able to do warrior trains, which owns faces.
 * Hammers. Not that hammers suck that much in condition pressure, it's just better to take big dps(axes). Especially when you already have 2 swords. However; the hammer might stay in.
 * The criplashes make up for not having a cripshot, and their conjures make up for their originally low-ish DPS. You'd probably want to make changes to both the cripslashes and ranger if you were to make changes to either of them. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:40, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, the Cripshot has been pushed for a lot, but apparently degen spamming is better? ــмıкε  нaшк  16:41, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not really. With the cripslash(bleeding), ranger(poison) and disease you'd have enough conditions. PA spam is easy to d-shot, can't split well and isn't really that functional in the build. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:09, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually taking quivering blade and using extend conditions somewhere would make this build better imo (and pretty much meta) lilondra 07:42, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

NO U >.<
I was just about to put this up!! U beat me to it.-Jax010 11:55, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

When next i'm on tommorrow night, if the build changes mentioned in my vote are not undertaken, i will do them myself. this isnt a threat, i just dont want to sit around because the author might be lazy. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 22:41, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Archive:Team - GvG Dual Ranger Condition Pressure
Because of the update and that new build, should this be archived? ــмıкε нaшк  22:42, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * They are different builds, end of story. Dual ranger with condition pressure=/=condition pressure=/=physical festival with condition pressure. If you have some free time on your hands, read this, this, and this so you dont come back to dispute. Also, that build could be better and by extension, not as similiar to this. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 22:51, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's the point, if it's better than this, this should be archived, but if having one Ranger instead of a third Warrior makes that much of a difference, then it's fine. The suggestions you made in your vote would also make this build even closer to the GvG Dual Ranger Condition Pressure one. =/ ــмıкε  нaшк  22:56, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, yes and no. Any build involving a lot physicals has a lot in common with any other build having them. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 09:19, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Updates! :)
I see someone fixed the Ranger and a sword warrior to quivering tbh now this is pretty awesome oO - Daze + 4physical (whit ranger:P) ftw! Massive  03:21, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Am I missing something here...
Why doesn't the Quivering W have plague touch? (Edit, oh right, I forgot about the update) Moloch 08:00, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * On second thought, the attribs on the FC Taint seem abit off... wouldn't it be better with 10DM, you don't really need 11 in it, no important breakpoints. can go 10FC. ? Moloch 09:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

CC runner
Change to Xinrae runner imo, strong attrib spread and better support. I is   * Je b us *    Enter my contest! 13:40, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Why Xinrae oO? Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 13:43, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Better Attribute Spread? You'll still be speccing into Channeling to assist in spikes and for pressure. =/ ــмıкε  нaшк  14:09, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Xinrae's is bad. WoR is far better for PvP. Caltrops and CC would be the preferable flagger bars for this build. or an e/rt. i like e/rts. --Tab  Moo  08:53, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Daze
Skakid pulled the QB build, but I think this build benefits from applying daze (although it'll get pulled fast). I'm thinking this: Any thoughts? Karate Jesus 15:50, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Give the QB build a cripple and chunk the crippling slash build (even though I love it)
 * Replace the cripslash build with an Eviscerate war.
 * Cripslash is much bigger pressure than QB and Shock Axe. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 15:54, 22 September 2008 (EDT)


 * Without a doubt you'll want a Cripslash in this build. I'd run it with 3 cripslashes because they're that good.  —Ska Kid [[Image:Skakidasaur.gif|19px]] 15:55, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, I still think daze is important for the build. So, maybe have a W/P with Stun strike or something to apply it? Karate Jesus 15:59, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * ^lol Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:02, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Idk, hell Skull Crack for all I care. My guild runs this sometimes in GvG and I really think the daze is important. Karate Jesus 16:03, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * It's more about the fucking 1000's of conditions you spread about and getting the RC down and watching the enemy guild drop like flies. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:05, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Exactly why I think daze is important. You apply the daze to the RC and fuck him up. Karate Jesus 16:06, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * zzz, hum sig, Hammer warr, you don't need a less pressuring warrior to take the rc when 2 other charrs can do it without making their bars worse. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:11, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Aight, I guess drop the daze then. Someone still needs to add an eviscerate build to this Team though. It's still missing the build. Karate Jesus 16:14, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * I would take abother cripslash tbh -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 16:39, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Luke, atm you aren't in the position to 'lol' at people. Brandnew.  16:29, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
 * err why? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 17:00, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Bad Meta =(
Dual Ranger for SoH, And Snare will easilly fuck u.. Dhsot IA and ur fine, also Spikke MEta whit fuck loads of defense wont lose to this :> Massive   17:04, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Nerfed
SoH dissabless all nonmesmer skills. Needs update/archive —KowboyBebop   ,  12:55, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * Then update it. The SoH nerf isn't worth archiving an entire team.  We could use a Tainted Warder, or a full-on mesmer (at the cost of some conditions). Ekko [[Image:Echo_mending.png|19px]] Ekko Ekko Ekko    03:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it does, actually. The point of SoH was to disable their RC/LS so that the conditions didn't just get raped. And really, there's a HUGE number of other nerfs and buffs that make this overly outdated. PnH further helps kill your conditions and provides lots of party healing against pressure, IA was nerfed, HC and MoI flaggers were nerfed, P-Rage was buffed, and Mantra of Inscriptions nerfed. Not only would the team need to be updated an excessive amount, but condition pressure really isn't that useful anymore, considering that now EVERYONE runs trip monk, and sometimes Rt/P flaggers that completely destroy all your degen. --Shazzy diddles 18:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)