Archive talk:E/any Invoke Lightning Hero

wait why Glyph of Elemental Power?  Anvil God  zzz... 02:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * More damage?--TahiriVeila 03:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * can increase total base damage per nuke by 30. tbh I'm worried about energy, i know on a human with 40/40 spamming this is gonna drain you. Smity Smitington 01:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You dont always spam... you run from mob to mob regularly me thinks? This is also meant on a hero, which doesnt spam that well.82.72.102.207 18:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Cracked armor makes this great. The air ele doesnt have to bring it himself, but it should be a note that weaken armor or something similar makes this build significant better in nm and is needed in hm. JohnnyFunkotron 10:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * cracked armor makes everything better-- Relyk 10:57, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Wait, wasn't this trashed?
I'm not sure if we can look through what was trashed/deleted, but wasn't the Air Support hero trashed not so long ago? talk 02:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * People change their minds, this isn't the first time it's happened. Resubmission is only really an issue if a pissed author repeatedly uploads a build right after it's been trashed/welled. Also I think Invoke got a slight buff between now and then. --  Toraen   talk  03:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It can be explained by lolpvx-- Relyk 03:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically due to the exposure by Jeydra on Guru, as noted in the description. Not that there's any real gratification in Speed Clearing a mere mission with 7H, but he finished Raisu in 8:06 or something fast using two of these Invoke heroes, proving BDSM users wrong that Discord/mesmers,etc.>all. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 12:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Saying that, EFGJack raep'd that time with his loltanknspank team. Unfortunately elemancer can't quite cope. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 12:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Possible player variant option?
Maybe have 'Intensity' or 'Elemental Lord' in mainbar and perhaps some other PvE skills for optionals? I've used this build on my ele with 7 heroes in HM and it works fine. Of course, the current utility/support option skills also work too. Dragonphlu 10:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you didn't read the "Hero" part. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 15:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you didn't read his comment. Deadfalk Deadfalksig.jpg 15:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I did. But there is an Invoke player bar. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 16:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There's an AP ele bar for players, no invoke...-- Relyk 19:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've seen the 'hero' part, which is why I ask if there could be a possible player version. Yes, I've seen the AP ele bar for players, which is why I ask if 'Invoke Lightning' could be another elite option that players can use. I know AP kill things faster and provides more dps. The reason I asked is because this build could provide a bit more AoE damage/utility/support compare to AP ele build (which is more single target unless you go earth and chain lightning is the only AoE for air on the list). I remember seeing a player version Invoke awhile back but it got denied. I guess it's cause AP is too good? Dragonphlu 19:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Some guy (cough Toraen) probably deleted it with the Invoke nerf. AP would be a lot better than using Invoke though.  It wouldn't make sense merging the player bar with this because this also has extra utility while the player version would simply be damage nukes. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz...  20:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I do agree that AP does more damage than Invoke and eles are damage dealers (at least in NM). In HM, does the ele become more utility/support instead of damage due to the higher armor/resistance mobs? If that's the case, wouldn't this help out more than AP? Then again, if I want to do more utility/support besides dealing some damage, I should go earth? Like that PvE Earth Warder build?Dragonphlu 20:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ether Renewal protting, if you want to really don't just want to be a burden to your team. AP-EVAS is better utility than any "Earth Warder" due to 1. spammable knockdown, 2.extra sin bodies for enemies to target, 3.things die faster. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 21:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * AP ele is superior since you can spam chain lightning in addition to normal AP chain. invoke lightning is strong on it's own though. They're both viable for HM depending on your play style. it's not worth the player bringing support, heroes fill in that job; the earth warder is lackluster on players and Emo is for shitters.-- Relyk 22:00, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand that AP ele is better. I sometimes wanted to play damage/support, hence I bring Invoke and other utility skills. The only times I'll be ER Protter is if I'm with other players. I've tried Earth Warder build in HM and it sometimes work and sometimes doesn't and I'm leaning towards Air to do more of the damage/support. Thanks everyone for giving me insight and I'll take advantage of AP ele build (unless it gets nerfed) in addition to my other builds.Dragonphlu 00:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Why this is bad
Compare: Hhmm something ain't right here, is this a joke ANet? I won't even bother comparing the ele's non-elite spells and energy management, I think you all get the picture. Vorpal  21:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * If I had one more Razah, I'd agree with you. AegisDok 21:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you arguing that the lack of a another rit or mesmer nuker justifies this build? I don't find the "for lack of a better" argument valid. One could argue that the RoJ monk is better than this build and, for example, Ancestors' Rage and Mistrust can be taken as secondary skills and still do more damage that this build. A good example would be my E/Me ER Wastrel Nuker build, which some of you destroyed lol :P Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 22:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "Are you arguing that the lack of a another rit or mesmer nuker justifies this build?" Yes.  I voted down the ER Wastrel's build simply because hero AI doesn't allow them to spam skills, and tbh it loses its effectiveness after the first 9/10s of the fight, since the mob is no longer balled and thus is less vulnerable to panic.  Whatever, though.  I wouldn't run this; I'm quite comfy with RoJ/Inep/E-Surge/Panic/SoS/Bomber/PoD healer. AegisDok 22:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha yeah the ER Wastrel good times, that sure made things a little more lively. I run the exact same setup btw, only with Razah as a SoGM/ST rit :) So yeah I also feel the pain of the absence of a 8th hero nuker. Sometimes I feel the urge to purchase a mercenary slot for a mesmer, but I usually just take the RoJ monk because I'm poor and have no money Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 22:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I take RoJ is for the SoH! :D  I prefer the third mesmer for most of PvE because the spirits slow you down.  There are, of course, harder areas that would warrant a com rit, but one can typically get by without it. AegisDok 22:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's true, but the reason I prefer the second rit is because the SoGM and ST builds practically share the same runes and equipment, so it's fairly easy to switch to ST when doing stuff like Duncan, DoA or WoC on HM. I run dual "Fall Back!" to speed things up a bit :) Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 22:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Try to keep the topic relevant to the build rather than what hero teams you prefer to use...-- Relyk 23:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)