Archive talk:Rt/any SoGM Hero

Prior to the AI update a few years back I would have defended this from the 1-1 rating. I still think 1-1 is dumb as half the reasons listed affect current ST bars the same and effort=bad isn’t an acceptable rating mentality. That being said, the monster AI update really hurt this bar a lot as enemy casters no longer pull the same way. If anything I might give this an archive. LifeGuardian (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Those points don't apply to ST prots. 1) Doesn't matter, no LoS required, there barely are any stationary traps in this game. 2) Not required on an ST prot, even players often don't use summon spirits. 3) Still protects in spirit range. The only thing that might happen is that the hero is still in spirit range but other party members aren't. 4) AI usage of ST is pretty solid. 5) Fair point. 6) Doesn't apply to ST heroes, although they certainly benefit from it. A build which requires a lot and frequent microing to be effective is bad and there shouldn't be a doubt about that. --Krschkr (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I would contend that an ST also requires frequent microing to make full use of the bar, and the clicking of 2-3 skills isn’t much different than this bar. If you’re running into mobs without flagging heroes I agree that this bar likely isn’t applicable. However, if you’re flagging your heroes apart the micro to put spirits down doesn’t take any additional time because it’s done during flagging/pulling. This brings me back to the main point that this bar was a powerhouse when you could pull difficult mobs well into range. After the AI change this is not possible and the bar loses a lot of its effectiveness. LifeGuardian (talk) 22:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

This should probably be moved straight into archive. Not many opt for this hero over an ST rit (and razah's a memser for most nowadays) and it's not a powerhouse anymore as Life has stated. It was at one time a very powerful and frequently used bar, even with sub-optimal AI use of SoGM, but now isn't really worth microing. -Toraen (talk) 08:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)