User talk:Jaigoda/A/W Axe Tank/Archive 1

yea dog, there was a huge discussion about this not too long ago. Relyk wrote a wonderful essay about it, can't find the link though. Smity Smitington !!  on 19:11, April 5 2012 (UTC) 19:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Malokai92/Guide Index/prof, but don't let that derail discussion about the build itself being viable.-- Relyk 19:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the one ;). Fun build for escaping monotony; unfortunately, that is not a vetting criteria. Smitysmitehex.png Smity Smitington !!   on 19:57, April 5 2012 (UTC) 19:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Since trash builds aren't kept any longer, I don't know the reasons for this build being trashed in the past. Relyk's arguments don't apply to the reason I use this build which is to pump an AoE spike (3 buffed AoEs in less than 3 seconds.) Builds that can attack at range (spirits) are better at mopping up than a melee build running around. Also, people use speed clear team builds for elite areas, not general builds. If this has been trashed as a melee AoE spiker in the past, then go ahead and WELL. Tasty 20:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

so basically this build will only be good (everywhere) when paired with splinter and/or that curse to AoE from physical, which is at least two characters and thus a team. 2 on demand AoE's is all anyone needs for the two support skills and the third (whirlwind) is proven to be too "slow". vow of strength scythe blows this (and war primary version) away despite using more skills, because of those more skills providing utility. this is a secondary using a primary's random medium damage to still do medium damage but slower and more constant with less protection. 164.106.166.23 21:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, delete please. Tasty 00:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to try to argue for the build specifically because I care nothing about it, but your arguments aren't reasons to trash this. Splinter/MoP makes everything 10x better, and that's simply a given on any melee build. It doesn't require the creation of a team build just for that. Also, are you comparing this to VoS for a derv or a sin? Because it sounds like you're referencing the derv build, and cross-profession comparisons aren't supposed to be used in vetting (except in obvious cases like Wammo healers). Also, this build is as fast as you can make any axe build, as it has the same IAS as Flail but without the movement reduction. -- Jai .  -  13:02, April 6 2012 (UTC)
 * wasn't aiming to, i was explaining to tasty an almost complete summary of how this falls behind. also, both mine and your statements are same info listed in the "essay" linked above. 98.134.194.248 22:40, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Trash votes
Are sort of dumb, this pumps out splinter weapon more reliably than scythes and has plenty of damage unbuffed. I'm not going to contest your votes because I really don't care, just wanted to let you guys know that you're shitters :D 02:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * look someone completed the bar now it's still fair :D. well yes it does that however that's still outside help which all 4 builds mentioned would be buffed by or not even from any build in specific.  VoS derv doens't need any help being awesome and ANY triple AoE axe build pumps out SY perfectly, so it isn't hopeless just not great.  people wanted to trash based on previous vetting in the past with proofs. 98.134.169.63 16:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This isn't my first year on pvx yo. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 16:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, you're comparing separate professions. Compare this to dagger spam or a Scythe Sin and you're fine, but comparing to WE Axe and VoS Derv is against the rules here. -- Jai .  -  18:09, April 8 2012 (UTC)

I made a similar build for BYOB: [build prof=A/W name="BYOB AW Seeping Axe" axe=12 cri=12][Dismember][Keen Chop][Malicious Strike][Frenzy][Dash][Bull's Strike][Seeping Wound][Critical Defenses][/build] It was pretty bad.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   19:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This isn't for pve you silly billy! Crit axe in pvp sounds so brave though, I commend you for the strength of your seeping weapon. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 20:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)