User talk:Jak123X/Wastrel's Vision Pressure

For some reason its not showing, I haven't used the pvx code in a while, so anyone that can help, Thanks- Jak123X 19:54, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You left open a Jak123X 20:01, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Uummm...where's your energy management?  Ŀ¥ЅЅΔΝ ● 55!  20:18, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

There is none!- Jak123X 20:20, 9 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Where's your spike? --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 20:21, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

haha- Jak123X 20:26, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There is none! jk You either make them kill themselves through VoR or keep casting your Wastrel's. You could get the same effect with Backfire, though. The optional should go to energy management if you can find a decent option for it because Shatter Delusions can be triggered with Wastrel's Worry (or even VoR if they're almost dead). Also, Phantom Pain can be used instead of Augury. ــмıкε  нaшк  20:30, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

I used a cover hex for VoR b/c after shatter delusions, if the monk tries a last ditch attempt to save him/her self would trigger VoR- Jak123X 20:53, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

If i used Phantom pain to cover VoR, I could take an e-management skill instead of Augury. Sound better?- Jak123X 21:39, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, and your optional is still open. I was thinking Ethereal Burden+GoLE or Auspicious Incantation (but AI requires some investment into Inspiration Magic). I wouldn't really call this a spike, though; it's more of a pressure to death. XD Overload is also pretty weak, but if youwant an interrupt with damage, you can take Power Spike. ــмıкε  нaшк  21:45, 9 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Its kinda of a spike since the damage portion happens in about 1.5 seconds (+deep wound)- Jak123X 21:47, 9 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Actually less i think- Jak123X 21:48, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ooo, I thought you meant it as a 1 spike kill, tbh. ــмıкε  нaшк  21:52, 9 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Its close to a kill, but if hits a target with 95% or less, its usually a kill, but it brings a target down to REALLY low.- Jak123X 22:03, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Why don't you Change the title of the build to Me/E Wastrel's Vision Spike? Just cut and paste.:) Shadow-emw 17:51, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Energy Management
Glyph of lesser energy? Power drain? Drain enchant? any suggestions.- Jak123X 23:56, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * GoLE would probably work best because you don't have to invest into Inspiration Magic. ــмıкε  нaшк  00:06, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

k, but i'll just put different optional skills for e-management so people can take what they prefer.- Jak123X 08:00, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Should I move it to trial?- <font color="Red">Jak123X 12:41, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

K discuss
Say stuffz.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 14:04, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok the idea of using the new Visions of regret with Wastrels is a good idea so they get hit either way but the rest of the bar is crap. Take out illusion completely put those points into inspiration take a few interupts, Diversion, and energy management and you got yourself a good build. XvivaX 16:08, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

this is a spike, not pressure, Illusions is only for dw. This is like the old Enchanter's conundrum spike.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 17:14, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Methinks....
you should bump this to testing. <font color="41 69 E1">Ace <font color ="#0099FF">(LVPoW) 13:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

yea w/e, No one gave much feed back. I used it and it worked fine.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 14:07, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 * no shit. you tested it on my heroes and i didn't bring any healing on them. <font color="41 69 E1">Ace <font color ="#0099FF">(LVPoW)  14:09, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

lol :D- <font color="Red">Jak123X 14:31, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Crossfire's vote
You use Overload b/c eventually your opponent will realize that you take more damage from wastrel's worry than from VoR, so they will use a skill. Overload takes only a .1 of a second cast time. You get an instant 90 damage in. <font color="41 69 E1">Ace <font color ="#0099FF">(LVPoW) 10:38, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

lol Wastrel's and Overload have opposite synergy? LOL, thats funny. They have VoR on them and Wastrel's Worry, so either way they're going to take 95-100 damage, overload is used as a delay so shatter delusions hits right after wastrel's worry ends, so it removes phantom pain causing deepwound. And Wastrel's and Overload have perfect synergy, b/c if you cast Wastrel's on a target, you can get ready to hit them with overload since they're usually going to cast something to end wastrel's. tbh crossfire's vote should be removed, poor understanding of game mechanics.-<font color="Red">Jak123X 13:03, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Overload doesnt do that much damage...-- R <font color="green" size="1"> e l y k 22:06, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You use overload if somebody's trying to sneak their way outta wastrel's. VoR's 80 damage and Overload's 90 damage is gud. <font color="#0099FF">Ace (LVPoW)  22:08, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So what exactly is this trying to accomplish.......--72.189.85.47 22:07, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Damage<font color="Red">kill<font color="Orange">A <font color="Blue">runa  [[Image:Blazing_Finale.jpg|18px|User:Killaruna]]<font color="#D70000"> Leet! 22:44, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, okay. I was thinking that Visions was supposed to stop people using skills to remove wastrels. gotcha now. not a bad idea...could be iffy, but a nice idea.--72.189.85.47 23:05, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

lol not just a nice idea, I've ran this build a lot now, got a 23 glad points with it, but thats not saying much considering its RA lol.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 00:34, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Votes,
lol if you dont see the spike u fail, o wait, i'll have some links to pics after this. A tiger monk saying nice spike to me after we won :D.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 00:36, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * HA is serious business. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 01:19, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Gates assassin, what are other options to a solo mesmer spike? tbh votes dont have a lot of thought, but then again its pvxwiki- <font color="Red">Jak123X 00:38, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

variant
Ehh the variant hates casters TOO much, no1 will ever cast something with VoS AND backfire on it, they might cast with just VoS/backfire to save some1(monk) or to help in a spike(ele, necro, whatever) .. but again, no1 will ever cast with both on so the spike wouldn't work <font color="#009933">CloseImpact<font color="#003300"> Too Muh Bruh  06:17, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Its RA we're talking about, they will cast.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 11:01, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

lol at votes, they're funny. I'm gonna move this back to Trial, probably gonna move it to my user space. - <font color="Red">Jak123X 12:38, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Votes
that say they don't understand the build should be removed, at least make a mesmer and try the bar on a wooden dummy in isle of the nameless or w/e- <font color="Red">Jak123X 12:39, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Diversion
Yes, I know that this is purely supposed to be a spiker. However, when you realize how bad your spike is against anybody smart you'll want to do actual shutdown.--TheHunger 19:39, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
 * mesmers aren't just meant for shutdown, diversion is good, but not for this purpose. if you want to do a shutdown mesmer with this, look at the bar below. <font color="#0099FF">CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 19:50, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

THIS BUILD
rapes so hard.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 23:27, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

WHo moved this to testing?
can someone move it to my user space or w/e, thanks.- <font color="Red">Jak123X 12:17, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
 * mike moved it back to ur userpage and DB crash reverted all edits, incl. remake of Caboose and all moves. <font color="#0099FF">CABOSE (LVPoW) "Hey chicka bum bum!" 12:21, 27 September 2008 (EDT)