User talk:Excluded/Archive 4

British accent
I wish I had one, girls dig it! Vorpal  12:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Funny, when you're in britain girls dig foreign accents. (Moreso spanish than others) -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  12:31, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah what's up with girls and foreigners? Makes no sense, guess i have to immigrate to get some -___-" Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 12:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, everyone seemed to know me in my town in Spain, all the girls kept trying to talk to me and I didn't know wtf they were saying until the end, and by then they knew my personality and were nowhere to be seen! Spain=partyfags Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 16:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * On reflection; there will be some posh nerdy English lass who will dig my Spanish accent! It's all k. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 17:06, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Bummer! QQ But you can have a rematch in the UK now, with a nice tan! [\forall(girls):girls == sluts] Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 17:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice tan? im portuguese, its like spain, and when britsh ppl come to portugal, they dont get a tan, they turn red...  Geist tha burdill  Enormous 18:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * On a positive note, if foreigner is what it takes to get a girl, your redness is now a major asset... u couldnt look more foreigner now...  Geist tha burdill  Enormous 18:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Cabrão! Well, I have Indian blood in me, something that allows me to actually tan and not burn. And the tourists you're thinking of are typical English northern drunken louts that give us a bad name abroad, amigão. That's about all the Portuguese I know... Well, "filho da puta" but that's hard to get into conversation.  Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, son of a bitch has actually sliped into conversation anyway, u pulled it off! On a funny note, i worked twice in northern ireland, once for 3 months, and a second one where i actually stayed there for 3 years... i can definetely vouch for the foreign thing and women, was fun living in carrickfergus, and i was 20 minutes away from belfast, so u can imagine... belfast girls are crazy!! the Mclub was awsome! and the Odissey, the beach club (a dico inside the odissey), the botanic (bot, as it was known);also went many times to dublin...fun days!! so as u can see, i know pretty well how a brit looks like, 95% of them will melt in the spanish summer...  Geist tha burdill  Enormous 21:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Just read your whispers, now I was afk! xD Yeah I was spamming emotes as Prince Rurik with some Charr, was quite fun. I was so bored that I decided to stalk you! =D Anyway, Searing Flames is serious business! Vorpal  22:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Build:Mo/any PvE RoJ Monk
Do you realize how stupid you made yourself look with that edit? Not only is there already a hero version of the build (which is why I brought up merging it with the hero version on the talk page), but smiter's boon is already in the optionals. Read please before you do something like that. /rant -- Jai . -  21:18, September 25 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you realise how stupid listing Smiter's Boon as support is? Infact, listing any of them in categories is dumb; is all support.
 * P.S. Arcane Echo sucks. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 22:01, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support/defense. How is that any less suitible than damage/utility?
 * P.S. You suck, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering. -- Jai . -  23:44, September 27 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything is utility. Did you just cast a spell that took some damage off that monster that will inevitably die soon? Faster dying foe= utility. Did you just heal me and therefore prevent me from dying? Utility. Prots? Utility. Snares? U-FUCKING-TILITY. See? Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:47, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Some people use a definition of utility that is distinct from raw damage and healing so that it's actually meaningful to talk about it. --  Toraen   talk  23:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There doesn't need to be a distinction to what skills do to put them into groups of variants. You can put them in profession or attribute order, sure. No problem there, but calling them support, damage, res, utility is untidy and just wrong. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Such distinctions are more meaningful in PvP than PvE anyway, so sure. --  Toraen   talk  23:55, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Semantics. Utility is generally seen as something that be used directly for offense or defense. KD's are a perfect example of utility, since they can be used as a snare, shutdown, or to stop frontliners from training somebody. Yes, killing something faster is "utility" and preventing someone from dying is "utility" but they're still classified as offense and defense, whereas the stuff in between is what's actually seen as utility. Also, you're still ignoring the fact that Smiter's Boon was already in the fucking optionals, which pretty much negates anything you're trying to argue at this point. -- Jai . -  23:57, September 27 2011 (UTC)
 * It negates nothing, it proves it. I see Smiter's Boon as a utility skill. It was in the wrong "section". It's a rather passive skill, so even for your definition seems iffy. "defence"? Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Defense = Prot, heals, other forms of damage mitigation. Smiter's Boon = more heals. 2+2=4? Also, you're still ignoring the fact that Smiter's Boon was already in the fucking optionals, which pretty much negates anything you're trying to argue at this point. -- Jai . -  00:03, September 28 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. I would accept "Utility", "offensive" and "defensive", but you had snares, emanagement and resurrection skills all separate to "utility". Do you not understand I've explained it was IN_THE_WRONG_CATEGORY and I so I did not see it. Besides, maybe it should be cross-referenced! Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you recently get hit in head by a large, hard object recently? Are you experiencing any forms of amnesia or hallucination? Because you've been acting far more retarded in the past few days than you normally do. The fact that you still cling to the effectiveness of a LF hero pretty much shows there's no point in arguing with you. -- Jai . -  00:10, September 28 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been testing it's effectiveness over the recent days and this debate is only going downhill due to people not listening. And also Jai, I like how you've decided to now ignore my argument of "semantics" because you know I'm right. Keep up the personal attacks, they make you look smart. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're acting like Juze.-- Relyk 02:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * for the lulz  Akio _Ka  t  suragi   Akio_Katsuragi_Sig2.jpg 02:34, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * -- Jai . -  02:38, September 28 2011 (UTC)
 * Still ignoring this section with an actual argument? I think being attributed to Jewz is the biggest personal attack ever. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 07:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm here to reason, while you're here to convince. I'll let reason do the convincing, while you try to convince around reason. What you believe is irrelevant.-- Relyk 07:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds about irrelevant as when KJ said "I've never seen so much bandwagoning in my life" in response to an argument between everyone on Guru and everyone on PvX. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 08:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * He's saying that people have tried to get you to listen to reason, and you've (somehow...) convinced yourself to not recognize that reason. Not that hard, tbh. -- Jai . -  10:49, September 28 2011 (UTC)
 * That was a quote from Terran@buildwiki. fail more Jai ^^-- Relyk 16:15, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How is healing not support? Also, utility in PvE is a very vague term. I'd usually use it to refer to skills which are separate from the main focus of the build, e.g. Rip Enchantment on a Discord hero, or Fall Back on a Panic hero. Symeon 10:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Why are you guys even arguing, its pve, you are going to win in pretty much the same time whether you take A or B, unless you run something completely retarded you will roll through every area with ease. Therefore Jai you are slightly retarded for how vigorously you are going against this LF hero thing, the 10 seconds difference between times clearing an area quite frankly is not "sucks". Either way I still don't get why you guys are arguing. This is dumb :D 213.131.109.129 11:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Cause I'm moderately OCD, I'd guess. I just hate anything not being right (for myself or others). -- Jai . -  11:35, September 28 2011 (UTC)
 * But its not wrong, its just different. Thats like saying SoMW was shit because it was slow, but you could hold like a motherfucker once you actually made halls. Completely irrelevant comparison i know, but still :D 213.131.109.129 11:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the only difference is that practically anything works in PvE nowadays, so the only thing that can be judged is its speed/efficiency and such. In PvP, it doesn't matter how slow you are so long as you win, but in PvE it's all about speed and easiness, neither of which an LF sin (or pretty much any melee hero) does better than any other meta hero build. It's a glass cannon attached to an intelligence below that of a sea monkey. -- Jai . -  12:53, September 28 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really a glass cannon, preprotting owns and if they all go for that guy then thats to your advantage as they're eating your prots. Admittedly the AI is a bit stupid but shadow steps + calling targets fixes that pretty good. Even if you're going by speed/efficiency, that extra 30 secs->minute really doesn't matter, in fact i reckon that pretty much perfectly fits the description of a "Good" rated build - the Greats are the by far most effective, goods are nearly as effective and just there for variety or playstyle if anything, other is workable but kinda sucks, and things like spirit strength sword get kicked. I have been dragged into this i just realised... But in all honesty stop arguing lol its just not worth it for such minor things! Rawr 13:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Quick, Rawr, run away! And Symeon; I would consider, as Utility, snares and knockdowns, mostly. My only gripe was that this particular build had very strange wording. I'll say no more on the subject, my talk page is getting a bit messy. If you're reading this, Alex, cleanup pl0x?  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 13:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hacker Screenshot
Sadly as per your weird hacker convo thing, drugs are not bad, quite the opposite :D Rawr 11:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So that was zodiac pasting that together? also was it real or him just having a joke - varda asked if I was up for UW last night :s -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  16:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hang on didn't you have a character named very similarly .. >< I just got trolled and didn't even know it. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  16:46, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, that was Varda trolling Zodiac to the pits of the Earth. It gets seriously lulzy when Zodiac ends up giving Varda his ex-girlfriend's number... Though, I thought you'd seen that before.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 17:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ok lol. I don't recall seeing that block of text. Also paranoid varda just revealed his name as Nathan? -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  21:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No... Silly Nathan just revealed himself. Notice when he told Varda his full name, he blocked it out, but when he saved all the screenshots they go into the folder documents/Nathan/GW lol. So smart is he. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 21:06, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ups screenshotted from zodiac not varda. -_- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  21:10, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

come on man
read the usage, u don't need to spam BA, it specifically says not to in the usage. And there is plenty of emanagement to use other skills. AP + castigation signet much? Smity Smitington 23:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can get anything out of BA really. Just spamming the first three PvE skills and AP are cheaper on energy and fine for damage; you'd be much better off sticking to the prot bar. Castagion Signet helps, but think about the other AP bars. Eles have 25e spells, but they have GoLE, which is infinitely better. Soul Reaping is infinitely better than any caster management skill ever created. Prot Version is more lenient in the way it can prioritise prots or damage per mob (depending on ease of said mob) so much more versatile.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea yea, I just get sick of running support roles in hero teams. I also don't rly care for RoJ and end up using some version of AP smite or melee. Smity Smitington 00:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You can run Earthshaker on any caster :p and RoJ is meh because it's the only worthwhile skill to take in smiting, apart from smite cond/hex and SoH; which as a human puts you back to bitch role. Chin up! Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No No NO! Don't encourage Any/W Caster Earthshaker!--E.Snow 00:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep pushing for caster 100b, just tell people to use MoP and get 5-5-- Relyk 03:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you may recall I suggested that already, Relyk ;) Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 03:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * VoS is the way to go, tbh. It's better in general than HB. -- Jai . -  03:59, September 29 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been suggested before that, but who cares about such. However, it wasn't actually posted and never proposed for setting up spikes as I'd like to see it. I'm completely adverse against caster 100b, VoS, erfshakur, since they're terrible for c+spacing.-- Relyk 04:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really, no. I couldn't be bothered balling many mobs in PvE Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 04:05, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I could crash a car into you at 100 mph and you wouldn't budge an inch-- Relyk 05:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I fear this may be a metaphor of breaking some laws of physics... /clap  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 05:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I could take a sledgehammer, smash you in the head with it, and you'd argue about why I should swing it with my hips instead of shoulders while blood gushes from the wound in your head.-- Relyk 05:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, Relyk, spot on! Do I hear a chainsaw metaphor coming up? pls moar Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 05:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There's irony in your story, and here it is.... Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 06:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There once was a chainsaw named Fred. /fin-- Relyk 06:19, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't see why you think I don't listen. I changed the bar to accommodate results from a few dps tests and I've been vqing with it for a while. I don't know what you've all done apart from whine about it being a melee sin instead of hiding behind your blanket of spirits and minions. I've c-spaced vqs with this, with Frenzy up full time. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 06:31, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, ure so manly!! Frenzy up all times!! If i were a woman, u would be my choice for mating, u would give birth to solid, strong offspring! 83.240.216.104 07:19, 29 September 2011 (UTC) enormous
 * Just demonstrating the ease of running a suicidal melee hero. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 07:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * aren't you vqing with your necro?-- Relyk 08:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Your argument there is way too close to "but it pwns RA" than it ever should be. I can guarantee you I could do a VQ with a hamstorm warrior, but that means nothing for hamstorm's effectiveness. -- Jai . -  10:31, September 29 2011 (UTC)
 * oic, you want screens of Slaver's HM. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 18:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * forgewright, duncan, HM FoW run, or doa would be good. Or WoC content just for fun.-- Relyk 20:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   22:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know I'm bad, I just ignore it and other's skill. Not here to learn.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 01:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that NPA? :p Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 01:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not personal if it's attacking everybody. -- Jai . -  01:39, October 5 2011 (UTC)
 * im psychlogicaly domogesd? Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 01:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I fail to see how linking a form of bias secondary to fallacious logic can be a form of NPA. Got an issue? <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   02:24, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you have known what it meant without wiki? If you did, I presume you majored in psychology. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 08:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You don't need a major in psychology to know about social behaviors like this and who suffers from it, or maybe I'm just different. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 17:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

hi!
UR RLY BAD! THx! Smity Smitington 15:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Smity; the E/A AP bars are better, and that's in Good. Be happy! Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 15:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * PVE REROLL IS NOT AN OPTION FOR GENERAL PVE BRAH LRN THE RULES (AS IF UR CORRECT ANYWAYS) Smity Smitington 15:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't quite see why Lamentation is mainbar, and you're right, but for a ritualist, it's only Good. SoS is a better elite than AP, especially when the majority of damage comes from a 3s and 5s recharge skill. I lowered effectiveness to show this, but increased Universality because it's the only other damage option for a rit.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 15:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I saw the vote, seems valid reasoning to me, stop QQing about it. --  Toraen   talk  16:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He is comparing it to other professions. "weaker e-management" - yet he claims on the locustway page that spirit siphon is so powerful that a rit can spam heals, channeling spells, and maintain four SoHs with it.  Minion is so inconsistent and continually trash votes with his bs reasoning. Smity Smitington 18:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You never look at the bigger picture, Smity. That rit has SoS and Siphon, it will maintain two SoH and use Siphon more often and heal less. Your build is all about spamming a 5e hex, 30e of PvE skills and 20e of ritualist skills that are on such a low recharge, you can simply take SoS so it can do something while your energy is loading, or make your own spirits for Siphon. But energy really isn't the key issue with this build, it's the lack of necessity for AP and giving up SoS. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 18:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ap lets you spam EVAS and yes even 10 second recharge spells faster. It is also emanagement.  Look I don't know why I am arguing with you because it has proven an ineffective strategy by most every person who tries.  I think I'm just going to create a petition to revoke your voting privileges until you can learn to be consistent and not trash every build which somebody other than you submitted. Smity Smitington 19:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You fight for all your builds too. I don't think either of us look at them with level-heads when it comes to rating, but I am strict with my judgment on all the others, with the experience I have had of them ingame.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lolz, and unlike you I haven't voted on my own builds in a while. And you can say what you want about me, but inconsistent just does not apply. Smity Smitington 19:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * One vote doesn't make a difference to a bandwagoned trashvote! Besides, I've only made one build (not including a lame racway style build I now detest). There are some builds I like alot because they're effective, but they're not mine. I've looked back and noticed the "inconsistencies" you mention, but different situations yield different results.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are almost always inconsistent. I could point out all the inconsistencies of your reasons for AP rit being worse than AP ele, but I won't bother. Smity Smitington 19:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to make a point, please do it. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Look I don't know why I am arguing with you because it has proven an ineffective strategy by most every person who tries" -nuf said Smity Smitington 19:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Look, stop crying and tell me where my inconsistencies lie when comparing AP ele to AP Rit. If you can't tell me then don't spam my wall up after I've just vacuumed. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "I could crash a car into you at 100 mph and you wouldn't budge an inch--Relyk 05:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I fear this may be a metaphor of breaking some laws of physics... /clap Ӎiñon 05:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC) I could take a sledgehammer, smash you in the head with it, and you'd argue about why I should swing it with my hips instead of shoulders while blood gushes from the wound in your head.--Relyk 05:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)" Smity Smitington 19:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, you could have atleast continued the metaphor, Smity. That's pretty lame! I see you don't want to discuss the flaws in your build or my judgment, so anything you post on my wall from now (if nothing I see as useful) I shall delete straight off. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * u mad bro? <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 21:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't make threats when you aren't allowed to actually delete anything.-- Relyk 21:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can delete distasteful and NPA comments from my wall if I wish. I most likely won't; I'm quite tolerant of your hair-pulling.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 22:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * People are continually telling you that they feel it is pointless to discuss builds with you, and instead of thinking about why people feel this way, you simply ignore it and tell them to keep arguing otherwise they are being distasteful to suggest you have a problem. I don't even want to start listing the types of psychological conditions which relate to this. Smity Smitington 22:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So if I don't listen, why were there so many edits on the first Locust bar? Why was General Physway converted into UW Physway? Why did I add a guide? UR RLY BAD THx (irked me that you missed the x cap btw /clap) Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 22:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Because when it comes to your build being trashed or changed to something which the community might allow you would prefer to change it. This has nothing to do with your ignorance. Smity Smitington 22:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If the build is unfavoured, it's because it doesn't function well and/or pvx are against it as a whole. I will always review the build because it must be disliked for a reason, and if I am given a good enough argument I will amend. But you don't.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:00, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Your defense mechanisms are impressively strong. Smity Smitington 23:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason why I dislike it in the first place is because Minion made it. True story. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 00:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * you are experienced in pvp but it does not translate to pve. Trust me, you'll be laughed at if you bring bulls, res sig or conjure flame into anywhere in pve. You should respect my mad skillz as a PvEer.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 00:50, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I am a lv. 100 PvE wizard. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 02:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yer a wizard Vincent.
 * http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50313_114375818594121_3521833_n.jpg -- Relyk 02:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Fucking halarious!! minion and smity on a shootout!! hell yeah!! True Grit!!! 83.240.216.105 07:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC) enormous
 * Minion is a reckless idiot. By this time, you would think he would know how to rate a build consistent with his views the first time around, but no, he clearly makes rash rating decisions as he went form 5-5 to trash on the rt/a spiker build (because he actually "tried it").  First he tells me that caster daggers is bad cus it's all about balling and doing aoe in which case hundred blades would be better, then he goes on to tell everybody that he and other ppl are too lazy to ball and single target c-spacing is way better.  Then he says that a caster is too fragile in the front line, but goes on to support the use of a frenzy sin hero.  He said that splinter/mop is just as good on a spear with no IAS as it is on a dagger spammer, but then says that locust sin is soo good cus it can burn through splinter and other buffs.  Then he claims that a rit who maintains four enchants can spam 5 energy spells because spirit siphon is such a great spell, then claims that rt/a spiker has bad e-management. Now after all the locust drama he is claiming that in locust way you don't need locust sins, that VoS and hundred blades would work too (yet refuted those claims when I brought them up on locust sin).  His new rt/a vote: "Completely inferior to the other AP profession bars; weaker e-management, lower damage and the main AoE damage (Splinter/AR) recharge so fast it doesn't warrant an insta-charge elite.".  Rit and ele clearly have the same single target abilities with ymlad->evas->finish him, and clearly have the same e-management abilities, yet some how the shitty aoe nukes an ele can spam are soo much better than the armor ignoring target following damage a rit can spam, simply because the rit's spells recharge faster.  So reckless and clearly does not have the mental stability or capacity to vote on anything.  NPA all the way baby! Smity Smitington 00:57, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Mountains out of molehills, I tell you! AP MoP is Great because spammable MoP is OP and AP Mes is Great because echo EVAS is OP too; ele, rit and any other AP professions aren't Great. You're misquoting me on the splinter/MoP thing; I only mentioned Splinter, and I said "Splinter activates 5 times then ends, it doesn't matter how fast you let them off" or words to that effect. Caster daggers had no purpose apart from "greater aggro as a 7h player" ergo, 100b>CD. Frenzy= just use ps. with such low cooldowns of skills, AP is a wasted slot. I wish you would quote me a little better; you might realise I'm not so inconsistent. I cspace with Protective Bond or Protective Spirit active so I don't quite get that point. I am disappoint. I don't see any NPA, just lies!  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 01:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * someone should back me up here Smity Smitington 02:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * it does matter how fast it gets off... simple game mechanics which i won't bother to explain because I and others have tried already. Caster daggers is not about "greater aggro", you just made that up as a retarded way to argue against it.  I used the argument that ps means anything can frontline myself yet I believe you argued that a caster would be to squishy in the front line.  AP spiker is about spamming ymlad->evas->fh, and with a rit you get the added bonus of huge armor ignoring aoe damage ontop of that, it is not just about spamming spells which already have quick cooldowns as you keep insisting (even the the only spell with a semi quick cooldown is splinter at 5 seconds).  You are completely ignorant to the point of an AP spiker. Smity Smitington 02:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * nah. AP+PvE skills are meh by themselves; singletarget damage by itself!  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 02:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, both of you shut up here. Take arguments about specific builds to those pages and try not to shit it up to badly. Discussing multiple builds in one convo doesn't make my job any easier. --  Toraen   talk  02:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Found something I think you may find amusing
User talk:Jaigoda/Builds/Team - Bulldozerway - basically its got orders, soh and GDW :p times change. -- <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  16:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just lol. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 16:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that was before the Jagged>FF update and that I was even shittier then than I am now, and also that it was theorycrafted (at the time when I did nothing but theorycraft). Nowadays it'd be better to just run something like Manlyway if you've actually got that much coordination between 8 players. -- Jai . -  15:17, October 14 2011 (UTC)

hey minion/excluded/w.e your real name is/you
jw. don't think to much into it.
 * 1)how old are you.
 * 2)what country are you from.
 * 3)highest completed education level. and expected highest completion level.
 * 4)favorite subject throughout school.
 * 5)favorite board game.
 * 6)favorite 3 genre of video game.
 * 7)do you play any musical instrument. if so, which ones.

simple questions go. if those are to personal, nvm.  Akio _Ka  t  suragi    20:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 19,UK, 0 qualifications, English/Spanish, chess, FPS, platform, puzzle, tried learning the keyboard but my attention span for anything is far too low for such a discipline.  Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 20:11, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * blah, stuff i didnt care about. but, board game was the important one. chess. good. also, commend you on spanish. anyways. btw, stat test wasn't as bad as i expected. so... yea, thx for the support.  Akio _Ka  t  suragi   Akio_Katsuragi_Sig2.jpg 20:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why do you ask? Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:30, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

lol
-- <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  21:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I praise your wisdom! <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 21:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * gg troll bottle. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 21:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alex; you should have used the high-def skills! Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 16:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Feedback
Hello! I want to thank you for everything you have done for the PvX Wiki. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Tesla, a wiki manager for Curse. The reason I am posting on your talk page is for some feedback. I was hoping you could tell me if there was something you would like to see on the wiki or if you think there is something we could do to help improve the quality of our service to the community. If you have any ideas at all, please feel free to stop by on my talk page and leave me your thoughts. Thank you! DjTesla 06:12, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So randomly Tesla put this spam on all Administrator's pages AND yours + some other random. lol -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  08:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Most active? <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 09:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Doubt it, relyk + I have more edits in last month than anyone else [non admin] -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  09:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe hes going by high intelligence and quality of contributions? 213.131.109.129 10:19, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, doubt it. <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 10:25, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this legit? The buildspace is too black and white when it comes to team setups; either a 7 hero team or Speedclear team. Teams like you find in PvP for GvG/HA would be nice in the PvE section, too. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 14:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I was looking at the active users list. I didn't see your name there Alex. Either that or maybe I missed you or your edits were mainly to your personal user page. However, if you have feedback you are welcome to leave it on my talk page as well. By the way, just to clear this up - I am female. Not male. Yes this is legit, sorry if I did miss you Alex. I will accept your feedback as well though. I was not attending to spam anywhere. I did this to a lot of wikis that we manage last night. I am asking for feedback, across the board, on the wikis we handle. This is what my boss asked of me, so it is what I am doing. I hope you gents understand. DjTesla 14:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have nothing that isn't spelling fixes/formatting to contribute, so the lack of message didn't worry me. ^^ -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  15:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Birthday.
Spain > Slough. <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  08:50, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually I moved from Slough as my UK headquarters; now in a tiny village in Cambridgeshire. I'm a travelling gypsy yo. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 13:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back
Thing just weren't the same without you. <font color="Black">Vorpal  01:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahuehue. Actually, I saw some really fucked up things going on with images on PvX while I was banned... Every Optional skill was replaced with Death's Charge and build codes were replaced with stretched Dwayna's Sorrow pics; was that just me, or... wat. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 01:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Vote raised by 0.2 (a universality tick, 4-2 to 4-3) in accordance. -- Jai . -  06:42, November 8 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad you approve, sir. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 06:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Pious Teardowns Vote
Run a script, nub. -- Jai . -  02:56, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * Nubs don't run scripts. Nubs don't know what script is, ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 03:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Their votes are fine. AHK isn't something you'd expect every player to have. It wouldn't even affect the rating category if I removed them so I don't know why you're bothering. --  Toraen   talk  03:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think what he's trying to tell us is to get AHK. I could be wrong. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 03:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have it but I'm not forcing others to use it to run a build. It would have to be listed in equipment for me to remove your vote, and it's not valid in-game equipment so it can't go there. --  Toraen   talk  03:33, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wasn't going to download anything for one build, when I can use the more effective AoB or VoS bars. We know it works, but it's not worth the hastle. Not OP enough. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 03:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * AoB is for scrubs (i.e. inferior to PR) and VoS has a good deal less armor-ignoring damage than PR. You gotta have big groups, balled nicely, to make VoS worth it, and in a lot of areas it's just not efficient. Also, VoS is far easier to shut down because removal of VoS kills the build. -- Jai . -  03:39, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Anyway, their vote is basically "I'm too lazy to either 1. mash PR properly or 2. run AHK, so I'm just going to rate it down." Build difficulty should not be a factor in a build's rating (see Trenchway), no? And no perfect 5-5 rating on PR makes me QQ. -- Jai . -  03:36, November 9 2011 (UTC)

You don't rate the build on how lazy you are, you vote it on how good it is. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 03:57, 9 November 2011 (UTC) (from PvX:VETTING) -- Jai . -  04:08, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * ^ -- Jai . -  03:59, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * It's good if you can be bothered to spam PR every other skill. Not alot will. And suggesting a third party program to run a skill isn't the way to go about making it a "better build". ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So should we trashvote trenchway and shit because they require us to actually think? :/
 * Also, "[Effectiveness] describes only the performance of the build, and does not compare this to the player's effort required to use it or to acquire the needed skills and items."
 * Speedclear=/=general play. General play is ease of use. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * To you, maybe, but not according to policy. And anyway, if what you're saying is true, then we wouldn't have any hero builds besides 7HPS, ER would get trashed, etc. -- Jai . -  04:40, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm siding with Jai and Skakid now. Also, ER is at least as much button mashing as PR. --  Toraen   talk  04:54, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Should have been clearer as to why I didn't like their votes, sorry. -- Jai . -  05:14, November 9 2011 (UTC)

Your vote has been removed as per the above. You can obviously revote, but avoid rehashing the reasoning that got it removed. --  Toraen   talk  05:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Spamming every skill in near-random order is different to spamming one skill every other hit. ER is also OP, but why did you bring that up when we're talking about dervish bars, Toraen? Also, VoS is more effective in a 7H environment (See: How to play PvE effectively as melee) ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 06:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also lolwut, my vote removed but Alex's (same rating, different wording) was not? It's word for word different but the same.... Er... ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 06:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Read his talk page... -- Jai . -  06:12, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * I read it, I point the finger at Toraen for not being fair :( (I assure you he will say the same thing as me, in little or more words.) Anyway, there is no hard to use or awkward PvE builds out there BUT this one. Because it's awkward as shit (unless A-haK) Most PvE builds are either run by heroes or c-space spammy when you habs energy or just button bash any key for instant pve win. You lag, you braindead or simply mis-click, your build is dead. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 06:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On his talk there is an explanation (read the edit summary for that one as well). Jai's the one who originally brought up ER on this page (a bit more tangentially, I'll admit. I'm kinda tired). I just noted that you're going to be flailing on your keyboard with either and voting a build down for needing to mash buttons is stupid. Pious can, like VoS, be played by balling up foes (this is always beneficial to a derv), it just doesn't reach what VoS can do in that situation. Just don't bring up 'hard to use' or anything like it in your revote and you'll be fine as far as I'm concerned. --  Toraen   talk  06:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Except don't 'cause that'd make you a fag 'cause PR is amazing and should be 5-5'd. :O -- Jai . -  06:21, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * Does VoS really do more? Because from what I can see VoS has no armor ignoring damage, no holy damage, and terrible fucking utility skills. PR is one of the most flexible dervish builds. Just because of "sweet synergies with MoP" doesn't make it better. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 18:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I forgot about Onslaught too, which is outright better than all of them for general PvE. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 18:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nuh-uh no takesibacksies &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 18:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, no. Onslaught is noticeably worse than PR or VoS, as it has less DPS than PR and far less AoE than either of them. The only reason to run it is if you're too lazy to run PR, at which point we're back to square 1. -- Jai . -  19:27, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * VoS still does ridiculous amounts of damage even when most of it respects armor. Against a group of 5 foes (very easily attainable in a lot areas), you're looking at 105 slashing damage, which is going to be at least 50 after armor even in the hardest of areas, and you have two AoE attacks to trigger this stuff. Sand Shards is nearly 200 AoE damage on its own. And if you haven't seen Reap Impurities with VoS on a big mob, you haven't fully experienced GW. Of course, less than 4+ foes per group and your damage goes down pretty fast, but that's the trade-off. -- Jai . -  19:27, November 9 2011 (UTC)

tired/misclicking
You.... click your skills? &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 21:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, but I often stumble when hitting keys. Man, you're quick. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 21:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Seriously that's exactly what I said wouldn't fly in a vote back when I removed it. --  Toraen   talk  22:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh this is bullshit. You keep banning Excluded for the tiniest of problems. Vendetta much. >.< -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  22:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Minion's getting himself banned because he doesn't listen worth shit. If you're seriously saying Toraen's got a vendetta against somebody, I can't do much more than laugh at you. -- Jai . -  22:54, November 9 2011 (UTC)
 * You're quite fucking retarded if you can't tell the PR build has major issues with being INCREDIBLY BORING and a cause of RSI if you're not macroing and a cause of possible ban if you are. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  23:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What? You're exagerrating. Calm down. Boring? What does that even mean? It's a versatile build with lots of yellow numbers. RSI? Get over yourself. I use this build without AHK and it's not grueling or monotonous like you're hyping it up to be. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 23:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * With what Skakid daid, the fun factor of a build is unnecessary to its rating. What's fun for others may not be for others, therefore, you cannot affirm if a build is good or not from a subjective term like "fun." It works, and it works well. I press 1 to use this, but I don't slam down on it like a fucking retard who is new to using a computer. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 23:13, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This past weekend I grinded out my survivor title via farming. It took round about 5 hours doing the same farm over and over....I assure you, anything after that sounds like being a little kid in a toy factory. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  23:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 18 hours grinding survivor title doing kilroy repeatedly over a week.-- Relyk 23:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did a vaettir farm...On a Necro =/. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  00:06, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have only banned him once. It was for a day. Since when is that a vendetta? --  Toraen   talk  00:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Calm down dude, you're getting more butthurt than usually I do, which is saying a lot. Also, I have more fun with PR than pretty much any other general PvE build. Big fucking numbers are my favorite things to see (Seed of Life spam is fun too, as well as VoS, but VoS actually takes effort). Of course, I could argue that GW in its entirety is boring now, but does that mean I should downvote everything on PvX? -- Jai . -  00:19, November 10 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Roland 02:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

What the fuck PvX? Like, almost seriously too? <Smart>. Fuck, this command isn't working in preview. Phen help plz. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 10:21, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * we no longer support the smart tag, we decided it'd be too much effort <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  15:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fucking wikia move. Shit. I can tell, now that you mention it. Had this eerie feeling, kinda like if you'd visit untagged build pages and be too dumb to realize what's wrong. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 20:39, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

2 Necro Melee Support Midline


A supportive midline for any physical-orientated party? <font color="Black">Vorpal  13:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On my ele, I usually put Dark Fury on the Minion Bomber so it actually sees some uptime with OoP, otherwise it's either-or. But yeah. Well of Blood, FF, res. I don't think OoP's damage is crucial though; SoH and Barbs/MoP are sufficient so I don't run it on my nec. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 17:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't really see the point of vetting this as a midline. Both already exist as separate builds and aren't widely spread through vetted teams. --  Toraen   talk  20:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was suggested to get it vetted, T. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 21:30, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. The section title just led me to believe this would be posted. Nvm me then! --  Toraen   talk  03:19, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, a player necro req is kinda crappy. And a dual necro midline is uncommon, unlike the mesmer and rit midlines. -- Jai . -  20:55, November 11 2011 (UTC)
 * lolwut ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 21:30, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As you already know, with two dedicated melee buffers - you're going to want only the best dps meleers - and since you want the most out of orders you get as many as possible. And you know PvX is not going to vett any physway builds in the near future. so bleh :< [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  21:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm currently skill capping without the mesmers and an orders bar/minion shouter instead, which is working just fine. Maintaining 2x SoH and blood bond is pro. The single-target damage now compares to my AoE from MoP. Of course, if you're not a necromancer or glyph-mop ele you're not going to want to run any physical orientated team builds. Of course, necromancers were pretty popular way back when. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 23:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OoV necro sounds better unless you want Dark Fury for SY spam or something; you'd likely use Mo/N for >4 melee.-- Relyk 03:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Doubt hero would be able to supply 3-4 copies of SoH without CF. One would be fine though, probably. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I fail at afk
Not going to reinstall, but I'll be on pvx still i think. ANYWAY, we need more suggestions on Template talk:Meta-Build - pick some colours and go go? <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  00:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the way it's always been? lol. Also, >nigger run out of chicken? >comes back to pvx; wb ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 01:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

pugs
are pvxwiki's kryptonite, avoid them at all costs!-- Relyk 04:28, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ): but heroes don't speak or do silly things for me to laugh at. Well, mainly the fact that I cba microing heroes has alot to do with it too. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Physway Unit
Needz an own page! Membership list, ideas and builds. :P <font color="Black">Vorpal  00:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You already have; "pug builds" :P ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 00:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * we should make a srs page for builds that will never be pvx vetted but get spotted as the pve meta.. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  00:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's then have people vote on these builds so we know how good they really are. In fact, we could then add tags to each proposed build based on how people rate them. You can't comment though, otherwise you would end up with all this useless discussion on whether the builds are actually meta. Input on builds people put on such a page would be very bad.-- Relyk 01:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We'll give the tag a bronze trim. Yes. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 01:47, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I even already made the ! Just need a hobo cape pic for it. --  Toraen   talk  02:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

You know
I don't think I've ever seen you involved in a single discussion that hasn't degenerated into massive drama. -- Jai . -  02:55, December 2 2011 (UTC)
 * Nor you, good sir Jai. In fact, you're in those same discussions, simply spurring me on. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 03:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, he's actually right for once. ApplesaucePancakes 04:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

your obsession with math
numbers don't make a good build cholo &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 03:07, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Stop fucking up discussions. Read this, and stop being an idiot &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 03:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it was off topic and meant for the build page. Jai fucked up the discussion and I fixed... Until he broke again. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 03:25, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, you fucked yourself when you came on PvX. Now stop. -- Jai . -  03:49, December 5 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you stay on topic, Jai? Go read build talk page and quit your bias towards monks and personal agenda trashing all resto bars. ritualists are monks too! ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 03:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Just. Fucking. Stop. You're beyond beating a dead horse. There's nothing you can do to save that build, because everybody but you on here believes that it is trash. There is no way that you will change the entire wiki, and causing all this drama is just going to make people dislike you even more (which inevitably means more opposition to your builds). -- Jai . -  04:09, December 5 2011 (UTC)
 * [] Please read this page, Jai. I do not own any of the builds I publish here. You should know that by now zzzz. And lobbying isn't a great approach to reaching balanced democratic decisions to finding effective builds. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:18, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That policy is basically saying that you don't own a build which means others can edit it and that you can't say "this build belongs to Excluded." It's still your build in essence, if nothing else because you're the one actually advocating its use. Also, If I went and lobbied to, say, pass a bill that completely outlawed guns (in the USA, which has 0% chance of happening in a looooooooong time), wouldn't you say that I'd just be wasting my time? -- Jai . -  04:28, December 5 2011 (UTC)

Why'd you delete the pic? It was the best thing on your page, also doesn't deleting it fall under PvXwiki:Editing User and Talk Pages?
 * Actually, Jai, I think your police force should man up and start doing their job. The gun law is stupid in the US; why is it a waste of time when Europe have strict laws? Does that not make your country look slightly backwards? The point about having to defend yourself because you can't depend on the police is fucking ridiculous. 1. you pay them to protect you. 2. if a thief or criminal breaks into your house and you've got a gun and he's got a gun (definitely a man) who will have the law and morals in the back of their head screaming "don't shoot!" and who won't give a shift if someone dies that night? Right. The mugger. Science, man. Commonsense. America has none. Although saying that, a rule was passed in the EU the other day stating "there is no evidence to show water hydrates"... ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I literally cannot comprehend the amount of fail........ -- Jai . -  04:47, December 5 2011 (UTC)
 * All it takes to pass anything in the US is to mention freedom to the people, look up at the sky, say a few words to/about God, how lucky everyone is and moving forward to the future. Repeat "I have a dream" every other sentence. What was your point anyway? ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 04:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Subtle troll is not subtle enough Roland 04:51, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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getting about that time-- Relyk 05:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I will get it done when Alex wakes up. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 05:07, 5 December 2011 (UTC)