PvXwiki talk:Requests for adminship/Saint

I'd like to state for the record that he is really bad at tagging redirects for deletion. Follow them back to the source plx. - Misery  Is  Friendly   10:27, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * thanks that helps my causee :< and i only did it once. Saint 10:31, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Oh don't worry, no one takes me seriously, not even me. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 10:34, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Rape.gif incident

 * i was blocked because i uploaded rape.gif, which tbh was not even offensive it just had blood on a woman face and nothing more. it was a stupid thing sure, but it was one mistake and i havent done anything before or since then like that. Saint 22:34, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Eh...why would you even consider uploading such a picture? Especially naming it rape.gif seems like quite a dumb thing to do, tbh.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 01:54, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * that was the file name off google i didnt even change it. i think trolling is more of the intentions you have while writing something, rather than what you actually write. i did not mean to offend anyone, and sincerely apologize if i did, and therefore i didnt think that what i was doing was wrong. Saint 10:37, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Now you're confusing trolling with simple sarcasm. Trolling is intentionally annoying or offending people in any way, not necessarily by writing a sarcastic, or blatently offending comment, but also by spamming or by posting pictures that will be found offensive by some people.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:20, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * the picture was an anti-rape poster. the only people who would find it offensive would be rapists, or so i thought. Saint 11:22, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * Don't get me wrong, I am not actively accusing you of trolling or any of that, I never even saw that picture. However though I just wanted to make clear that sarcasm isn't necessarily trolling and visa versa.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:23, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * I have taken a look at some of his contributions of the past two weeks, and I'm not amused. I dislike his approach to certain things. Seeing his heated discussions over severals talks make me doubt his reliance as an administrator. ~ ĐONT * SYSOP   15:10, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * the first two links i dont think i did anything wrong..we just talked about the builds and i discussed by i thought they were superior or inferior to others. being a little patronizing shouldn't be a reason to not make me admin. You seem to be nitpicking - two weeks of contribs and you find THOSE links and say those make me not qualified? Just my thoughts ^^ Saint 16:00, 10 November 2008 (EST) Also, you seem to be ignoring many of the good situations ive handled, and focusing on three "bad" ones. Saint 16:04, 10 November 2008 (EST)
 * I did not have problem with patronizing, but the following statements: "We should just delete it." (I hope you meant "WELL it"), "you can run this shitty rit bar", "who the fuck cares who posted first, PvX:STFU please.". Three "bad ones" within two weeks is a pretty bad ratio, at least for me. Furthermore, I did not see any particularly 'good situation handling', but feel free to provide links. ~ ĐONT * SYSOP  08:05, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Two people were arguing over who posted first and who was stalking who on a build talk page, so i said PvX:STFU. Please explain to me how that is inappropriate. Also, i use WELL when two builds are similar or one is inferior to another. I wasn't arguing that it was inferior, i was arguing that it was a bad build. Even if it was a situation for WELL, me saying "We Should just delete it" is hardly inappropriate at all, it is just a bad use of the word delete. And me saying "You can run this shitty rit bar" is also not inappropriate, i just used the word shit in it. Those are not good examples of me handling bad situations at all, Dont. Saint 08:56, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * PvX:STFU is not an official policy, so citing it was inappropriate. Anyway, I have problem with the unnecessary profanity. ~ ĐONT * SYSOP  09:13, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * so i dont deserve admin because i say "fuck" and "shit" occasionaly? and i know PvX:STFU isnt official but that doesnt make it inappropriate. They both knew to shut up once i siad it because it was what they were doing that was inappropriate. Saint 09:15, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * My problem is with in what situations and how you use those words. Builds you call "shit" were worked on hard by many people. Using the word "fuck" in "who cares" is not likely to resolve the situation but only make it worse. On a side note, I'm still looking forward to examples of your problem resolving abilities. ~ ĐONT * SYSOP  09:36, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Places like Build_talk:E/Me_Thunder_Condition_Spreader where i can recongnize that arguments are going off topic and neither side will ever convince the other, while keeping a level head. that was just looking through like a miniscule amount of contribs. Earlier on that page i also stopped the fight between alpha and pika, but u seem to think that PvX:STFU is innapropriate to ever use. And you say that calling things "shit" is inappropriate when people have worked hard on those things. It doesnt matter if you work hard on something, if its bad its bad. Saint 09:44, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ahem. If you're serious about this, Saint, then the best way to go about this is to speak with the admins on MSN or similar and arrange for some "entry-level" duties to prove your worth. Also, PvX:STFU would be official if people didn't get so hung up about the name. It's a good policy that should have been renamed and moved to official months ago tbh. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 09:49, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * i think my contribs prove my worth and that is why i was and deserve to be nominated. If i wasn't serious about this i wouldn't have accepted. I think dont and i are both quite hard headed and this argument is going all of nowhere, so ill stop posting on his oppose, its his choice. Saint 09:51, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * What I meant was that you should speak with the admins rather than try to argue your case against any/all of the seven-or-so people that are using your contributions (or lack of) as their reason for not supporting. But seeing as Auron is the one who nominated you, you've probably already done that so you can pretty much ignore that. Except the part about debating the worth of your contribs with other users; don't bother doing that. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 10:21, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * yes ive spoken in private with grinch, auron, misery, crow, blacksmurf, etc, all about my views and such already. ty tho ^^ Saint 10:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Excellent. Also tell Grinch to give me that golubsty recipe so I can repay him with the muchly anticipated gold-plated melon baller I promised him. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 10:31, 11 November 2008 (EST)

(In response to the 3 links Dont gave) I honestly see nothing wrong with the first one. His logic is solid (SB is trash in small arenas, nobody runs it for a reason), and when someone with terrible logic and theorycrafting ignores his point and continues to argue, pretty much all he could do is say "ups you're terrible" and stop posting. On the second and third links... holy shit, pika fan is terrible. Yeah, I'm not gonna hold anything said to him against whoever says it, I'm surprised nobody's banned that guy yet :< I'll keep an eye on Saint's contributions, and feel free to point out infractions (or dangerous toeing-the-line), but stuff like that is unavoidable when encountering huge stupidity/huge trolls. - Auron 11:09, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Auron really? I'd like to see some examples of why you want to promote him. It's not like he contributes to policy(Other than throwing PvX:STFU about more than necessary), and from that stupid spam image it doesn't even look like he cares about it.--128.211.248.24 12:51, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Throwing Pvx:STFU about more than necessary? ive said it maybe 2-3 times. Seems that you too haven't look through my contribs. And what do you mean "stupid spam image"? Lost me there. Saint 12:57, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Seeing as how many people are against Saint becoming an admin, I would be pretty surprised if he did. I guess Auron can move mountains on pvx, though. Saint, you see like a decent guy (honestly, I understand the beef with Pika, he's kind of a dick), but I don't know if I could throw my support behind you. Can you give me good reason to? (keep in mind, I've already seen your contribs) Karate Jesus [[Image:Karate Jesus.png|20x20px]]  chop!   13:03, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * I don't "want" to promote him. I saw some of his posts on the admin noticeboard (telling people to take discussion elsewhere) and that piqued my interest. I sifted through a few contributions and checked his talk page archives and saw nothing that turned me off. He isn't in anyone's clique, so I wouldn't have to worry about him playing favorites. There wasn't so much great stuff that I considered promoting immediately, and the chances that I missed things were too great - indeed, I hadn't seen any of the pages Dont linked to - so I opened an RfA in the hopes that folks would voice their opinions and point me at past altercations.
 * I don't think he's got a firm grasp on wikicode. However, that comes in time, and I'll be willing to promote him later if his attitude doesn't diminish and he doesn't go inactive. - Auron 08:01, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ye, i agree that i struggle with wikicode, but thats only because ive never been told how to do much of it and i never had an interest before now. Hope that doesn't stop be from becoming admin though, because i feel i have more to offer as a new admin than any other member here. I am not biased towards anyone, i have my own views on how policies should be interpreted (meaning that i wont just blindly act like any current admin), and i am very very active. Saint 08:48, 12 November 2008 (EST)


 * Hardly anybody runs builds in "other" anyway, so we should pretty much archive/trash them according to your logic, and give me one decent reason to run thunderclap-epidemic over BHA-epidemic. The third one is more or less my bad, tbh, so ban me for whatever reason you care to state/nitpick. P.S Just use your bureaucrat powers to remove votes from so-called terrible builds that deserve to be deleted/archived, like the first build in question, and ban anybody you don't like nor agree with you, kkz?P.P.S BHA with epidemic is already bad enough.Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 13:22, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * unless I'm misunderstanding something Pika, Auron just said SB isn't any good in TA and RA...He didn't say "all "other" builds are trash". About the P.S. that's essentially an abuse of power, we can't just go around banning random people, not matter how much we dislike them, we need a valid reason, not liking them, or they're not agreeing with you isn't (for the most part) a valid reason. P.P.S, keep it related to the RFA, not about views on builds (Dont linked to say about conts. You're jsut saying it sucks, stay on topic, this is one of the few places we expect serious contributions going on.) <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   14:35, 11 November 2008 (EST)

The votes
Seem very contradictory. The ones who support say that he is quote: "very level-headed", and the opposing votes have a lot to do about loss of temper. -- Jebus  contests  22:43, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * l2politics  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 09:09, 25 November 2008 (EST)
 * We'll get a build master right on that. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 09:22, 25 November 2008 (EST)