Archive talk:Team - Omegaspike

Wait a sec plz inserting builds, and dont flame name -.-'' Massive   09:34, 9 November 2008 (EST)


 * Bomb style, cant rem the exact bars input wanted :] Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 09:42, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Shadow Fang has a large recharge and you already have DW on that bar perhaps?--[[Image:User-Liger414 Air of Enchantment.jpg|19px]] Liger414 talk  09:46, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * ED got nerfed. [[Image:Tai_Sig_Image.png|19px]]McTai (LVPoW)   09:47, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Ouchie. True that is.--[[Image:User-Liger414 Air of Enchantment.jpg|19px]] Liger414 talk  09:47, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * The power of dual ED? Ouch...--[[Image:User-Liger414 Air of Enchantment.jpg|19px]] Liger414 talk  09:51, 9 November 2008 (EST)


 * Ouchie, still doesnt affect it really, using Savage in a spikke outdoes the 18% ias u lost, alsoo bomb won this in at .. and Shadow Fang is for an instant shadowstep.. Massive [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 09:51, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * It only raises marks by 1 as well.--[[Image:User-Liger414 Air of Enchantment.jpg|19px]] Liger414 talk  09:53, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Well it got semi nerfe, still being used but overall it pumps out biig domage and the 1, marksmanship you lost aint that hard, Flatbow + RTW + Vamps works wonders ;) Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 09:56, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Build Tweaking
Suggestions`?, i know its not the original but only what i rem.. Massive  10:02, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * Tbh, I'd replace the Elites on your Rangers' bars., Archive:R/any Melandru's Shot Turret or some Glass Arrows Ranger, mebbe? ــмıкε  нaшк  14:36, 9 November 2008 (EST)


 * Still, the ED is the highest damage turret ingame.. Dual Deb, Dshot, Savage and 2optional skills is great too, no major build tweaking just minor skills was what i imagined, but thx for the input thou ;) Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 14:55, 9 November 2008 (EST)
 * It isn't the Elite that makes the build good, though. ED, since the nerf, can and should be replaced by another Elite such as Punishing Shot, Glass Arrows or Melandru's Shot, and just use Lightning Reflexes as your IAS because it provides pretty much the same overall IAS (11-13). A 15% IAS is not worth it, even if your 33% IAS only lasts a third of the time, and +1 in Marksmanship doesn't mean a lot. ــмıкε  нaшк  15:01, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Why Shadow Fang?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  13:08, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * The Shadowfang made for instant spikes. I was watching from the rc's point of view and he had difficulty protting it. Even when it was only used once every 45 seconds.Relic 16:15, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Warrior without bulls?
yeah nice joke,  Hole    Talks dirty.   13:53, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * 321 spike. Yeah nice joke. Smurf Ohai 14:18, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * The war is pure spiking, with Shadow Fang at a 45 second recharge. It might be the least bit helpful to have another way to set up spikes. -- Shazam  The  Snake    [[Image:Shazam_The_Snake.png]]  hissssssssssss 14:25, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Shadowfang wif teh long recharge skills. Pain of Disenchantment means you have to remove an enchantment; what if you're not facing an enchanted foe? There goes 100 damage. -- Jebus  contests  18:43, 11 November 2008 (EST)
 * Lol, ur serious? if they dont prot they guy hes dead anyways oO, i just copied the build from bOmb, and they went from r80 to r30 on two ATS playing this.. And they crushed WWF on build wars 3x times - also Shadow Fangs thingy is a wtf u cant even see what the hell is going on.. Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 09:22, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Ehm i hope you guys are aware that Shadow Fang is just an Shadowstep whitout aftercast, each 45sec - u can still spikke whitout it oO Massive   11:51, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * It seems a little inefficient to have the shadow step every 45 seconds, with every other spike you make protted against. The reason Shock is on war bars not only for interrupting key skills, but so you can just run up and go "kapow you're KD'd! Hmm, it seems a coincidence that now you're only able to use stances against my spike." Same goes for Bull's Strike... it can be used not only to prevent kiting, but to render them near-useless during your spike if you set up with it. Spiking reasonably on a 10 second recharge > spiking well on a 45 second recharge, when you'll be protted the rest of the time. -- Shazam  The  Snake    [[Image:Shazam_The_Snake.png]]  hissssssssssss 20:23, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * You aren't relying on Shadow fang for your spikes, it is there as a supplement to catch thier monks off guard. Bulls isn't needed in this build. Jonas 21:11, 12 November 2008 (EST)
 * ^ one who finally understood it... Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 08:48, 13 November 2008 (EST)
 * You do take bull's on the warrior, sinc ehe doesn't take a res in this set up, a war without bull's except for a sword is very bad.
 * Secondly a lot of those bars are wrong, the Rangers don't run debil anymore (after ED nerf) if they do run it it would be on the R/Rt. Also most people run a CC flagger with this just for more euro damage. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 18:56, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 * Lol shadow fang-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 19:01, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 * Shadow Fang is awesome if ur good enough not to need a res (so not you relyk). -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 19:02, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 * Lol shadow fang-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 11:20, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * lol ur bad. Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:21, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * No u-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 11:22, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Massive
Strong spikke, Dual Ranger is always nice for interrupts etc. PoD for some fortress way and a Snare for even more fortress way, making this build hard to bring down.

You do know that the main feature of fortressway is a CC rit in the midline, so you have stupid defense (hence fortressway)... -- Frosty  19:00, 14 November 2008 (EST)
 * fortress-way, is using loads of defense and spikking capbility.. to win / rawr style.. Massive [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 20:10, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * hence, rits? and I would hardly call this balance spike it has 1 frontliner. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 20:11, 15 November 2008 (EST)
 * Balance is that it is Harmony between two parts or w/e it has a diverse number of Characters.. thats what balance is, like Bspikke aint balance since it has ynecros 1monk.. learn to ppl plz Massive [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 12:06, 17 November 2008 (EST)
 * learn to people please? :S what? lrn2 write Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 13:05, 19 November 2008 (EST)
 * If this is balance I'll shoot myself. This isn't balanced at all; it uses the most overpowered ways to spike. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:27, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * Well your talking about two different things - Balance (Many types Proffesions) and owerpoweredness two diffrent things, also split this thing and run buildwars, like most ppl do in AT's etc this get rolled =( Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 15:57, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * Tell me, how to buildwars. It's the same for rawrplay; you can try, but you just gotta be way better then them, you can buildwars a bit but that's usually not enough. Splitting vs this; yes it's ofcourse effective, but it's not that you do a split once and they're rolled. They just send shit back and continue spiking; the only thing you might be able to push over easy is a moral boost. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:33, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 * omegaspike is far from balalnced. all u do is spike. balanced is a versatile, adaptable team build that can split/spike/8v8/tactics/pressure and often does have a variety of professions

Mafaraxas
Mafaraxas Last edit: 11:57, 20 Nov 2008 (EST)

THE SAME INCONVENIENCE HE RUNS INTO ABOUT THE THREE SONS OF NOAH, WHO, AS HE SAYS, P. 13. HAD THE WHOLE WORLD DIVIDED AMONGST THEM BY THEIR FATHER. I ASK THEN IN WHICH OF THE THREE SHALL WE FIND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF REGAL POWER AFTER NOAH'S DEATH? IF IN ALL THREE, AS OUR A. THERE SEEMS TO SAY; THEN IT WILL FOLLOW, THAT REGAL POWER IS FOUNDED IN PROPERTY OF LAND, AND FOLLOWS PRIVATE DOMINION, AND NOT IN PATERNAL POWER OR NATURAL DOMINION, AND SO THERE IS AN END OF PATERNAL POWER AS THE FOUNTAIN OF REGAL AUTHORITY, AND THE SO MUCH MAGNIFIED FATHERHOOD QUITE VANISHES. IF THE REGAL POWER DESCENDED TO SHEM AS ELDEST, AND HEIR TO HIS FATHER, THEN NOAH'S DIVISION OF THE WORLD BY LOT TO HIS SONS, OR HIS TEN YEARS SAILING ABOUT THE MEDITERRANEAN TO APPOINT EACH SON HIS PART, WHICH OUR A. TELLS OF, P. 15. WAS LABOUR LOST, HIS DIVISION OF THE WORLD TO THEM, WAS TO ILL, OR TO NO PURPOSE. FOR HIS GRANT TO CHAM AND JAPHET WAS LITTLE WORTH IF SHEM, NOTWITHSTANDING THIS GRANT, AS SOON AS NOAH WAS DEAD, WAS TO BE LORD OVER THEM. OR, IF THIS GRANT OF PRIVATE DOMINION TO THEM OVER THEIR ASSIGNED TERRITORIES, WERE GOOD, HERE WERE SET UP TWO DISTINCT SORTS OF POWER, NOT SUBORDINATE ONE TO THE OTHER, WITH ALL THOSE INCONVENIENCES WHICH HE MUSTERS UP AGAINST THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE, O. 158 WHICH I SHALL SET DOWN IN HIS OWN WORDS, ONLY CHANGING PROPERTY FOR PEOPLE. ALL POWER ON EARTH IS EITHER DERIVED OR USURPED FROM THE FATHERLY POWER, THERE BEING NO OTHER ORIGINAL TO BE FOUND OF ANY POWER WHATSOEVER: FOR IF THERE SHOULD BE GRANTED TWO SORTS OF POWER, WITHOUT ANY SUBORDINATION O F ONE TO THE OTHER, THEY WOULD BE IN PERPETUAL STRIFE WHICH SHOULD BE SUPREME, FOR TWO SUPREMES CANNOT AGREE: IF THE FATHERLY POWER BE SUPREME, THEN THE POWER GROUNDED ON PRIVATE DOMINION MUST BE SUBORDINATE, AND DEPEND ON IT, AND IF THE POWER GROUNDED ON PROPERTY BE SUPREME, THEN THE FATHERLY POWER MUST SUBMIT TO IT, AND CANNOT BE EXERCISED WITHOUT THE LICENSE OF THE PROPRIETORS, WHICH MUST QUITE DESTROY THE FRAME AND COURSE OF NATURE. THIS IS HIS OWN ARGUING AGAINST TWO DISTINCT INDEPENDENT POWERS, WHICH I HAVE SET DOWN IN HIS OWN WORDS, ONLY PUTTING POWER RISING FROM PROPERTY, FOR POWER OF THE PEOPLE; AND WHEN HE HAS ANSWERED WHAT HE HIMSELF HAS URGED HERE AGAINST TWO DISTINCT POWERS, WE SHALL BE BETTER ABLE TO SEE HOW, WITH ANY TOLERABLE SENSE, HE CAN DERIVE ALL REGAL AUTHORITY FROM THE NATURAL AND PRIVATE DOMINION OF ADAM, FROM FATHERHOOD AND PROPERTY TOGETHER, WHICH ARE DISTINCT TITLES THAT DO NOT ALWAYS MEET IN THE SAME PERSON; AND 'TIS PLAIN, BY HIS OWN CONFESSION, PRESENTLY SEPARATED AS SOON BOTH AS ADAM'S AND NOAH'S DEATH MADE WAY FOR SUCCESSION: THOUGH OUR A. FREQUENTLY IN HIS WRITINGS JUMBLES THEM TOGETHER, AND OMITS NOT TO MAKE USE OF EITHER, WHERE HE THINKS IT WILL SOUND BEST TO HIS PURPOSE. BUT THE ABSURDITIES OF THIS WILL MORE FULLY APPEAR IN THE NEXT CHAPTER, WHERE WE SHALL EXAMINE THE WAYS OF CONVEYANCE OF THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ADAM, TO PRINCES THAT WERE TO REIGN AFTER HIM.

TROOLLLL oO? Massive  15:57, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * No. Awesome troll. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:51, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * Retard posting something on the ratings page here...? Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:53, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Augury?
I'm probably just dense right now, but to clarify, you use Augury so that if the enemy moves you pop to them. and because they're moving you deal more damage with Prot Strike. Is that the basis of having that skill?-- Ikimono Gaston was a Paragon... 16:21, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * Its for making it more caster-like, as long as the spike is clean it's pretty unpredictable with Augury, plus you get an extra hit in quick with prot strike. Strong Mcbrave 16:22, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * B/C this whole build is about fucking a prot up, and not being able to preprot is even more protfucking. To conclude this clusterfuck, fucking a prot up is good. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:50, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * Dismember someone then augury someone else and they die. lol. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:53, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Expert's Dexterity
The bar should be changed to a R/W Burning Arrow ranger. The necro, specced into restoration and equipped with a skill that blocks interrupts, would be better off with the hard res. Burning Arrow would spike harder and faster than an Expert's Dexterity ranger, which is important in this build. Strong Mcbrave 16:52, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * Sloth's is more dmg then ED miright? I actually dunno what type of ranger you run. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:46, 21 November 2008 (EST)
 * Hmm, Prob Take Flail + LR, swapping now. Also i do have Weapon of Warding and PwK on the Necro, so i think its allready fixed^^ Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 15:37, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Hunter or Sloth
Pick a choice, Maybe Hunter since its 5enj and a little bleed <3 Massive   15:42, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 * If they're knocked down with Mind Shock on the spike, Sloth's can deal quite a good bit of damage. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]]  Guild  of   Deals   16:14, 22 November 2008 (EST)


 * It deals +14 dmg anyways, just if his KD'ed or moving he bleeds. Suppose hunter is best, low recharge, bleed and low enj cost :) Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 04:42, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * Erm you run hunters for the 1 sec activation... --F rosty 07:36, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * Lol tought sloth was 1, aswell.. Or was that nerfed or something, seem to rem it was 1sec:P Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 08:11, 23 November 2008 (EST)


 * W/e it isnt x) Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 08:12, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 * it never was. --F rosty 08:15, 23 November 2008 (EST)

isnt this
rawrspike-ish?-- Christmas Relyk  11:47, 9 December 2008 (EST)

one question
I know the mind shock dual weakness ele is awesome but since you already have a necro bringing enfeeble why not have the ele bring enervating instead and do a lil damage?ComfortOsprey 11:05, 10 December 2008 (EST)
 * Agree, as u dont wanna snare the split to kill em whit a standar 3/5 split just kill em and hold boost.. If they get that 10% morale its Gonna be quite hard to kill em whit a shield set, whit like +100hp Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 04:56, 11 December 2008 (EST)

CC runner?
more spiking power at stand, already have LA snare dont need HC as much. Gringo 11:08, 10 December 2008 (EST)
 * Prob, take whatever u prefer.. Since u have a spikke they will most likely want to send ALL damage to split (no Flagger etc), so Maybe having CC is better so u can kill and spikke, id say depends on map :] Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 04:54, 11 December 2008 (EST)

SoJ on WoH
Why take this when the monk has GoLE? Most take it on a Mo/W for energy management (which is meta now). Why not take guardian?(71.82.120.38 02:04, 11 December 2008 (EST))
 * SoJ? Can't think of anything that fits there (that makes sense). --F rosty 02:15, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Signet of Castigation(SoC maybe:P) or? Running rawr spikke and spikke whit the monks aswell? Massive [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 04:35, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think he's referring to signet of rejuv, Mo/W take signet of rejuv as e-management because they don't have gole. no need on a mo/e though, better to take something else.<font color="Teal">-WaffleZ LOL- . 20:48, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * WHy the hell not run mo/e's? Prevents interupts on spikes(you still have 2 targets who get camped by interupts, having no interupt on rend/pod = dead target), and you only have a ranger + war as high-armored. You don't need the cas sig as you already have enough spike damage, maybe even tons. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  05:18, 12 January 2009 (EST)

SF
How does Shadow Fang works please ? How is it useful ? Didi 04:40, 4 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's just another energy-based deep wound that doesn't require you to get in melee range. -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 12:15, 4 February 2009 (EST)


 * And it puts you in Melee range. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  12:33, 4 February 2009 (EST)
 * Shadowstep wif no aftercast [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  12:36, 4 February 2009 (EST)
 * ^ It has no aftercast, that's the big point. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  12:36, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Ranger instead of WE
Would it need a new build or just variant? Cos imo it's a better spike like that. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  00:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Allready under BOSS spikke, also this build still works quite good.. Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 13:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Nerfed:)?
Id say ye, the turret was most of the dmg anyways^^ Massive   15:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

A/P variant?
Should the A/P spike variant be added, since its getting WELL'D in trial builds?Fifty Pieces 23:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are quiet a few A/P variations though. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 23:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * copied from the build in trials, feel free to edit.Fifty Pieces 23:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

saw this in observe...

but i don't gvg much...may this is the right build. 95.33.0.31 17:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Have seen ones with DA, Incoming, WC etc, its pretty variable <font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 18:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dark Apostaty is best. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No its not ^_^ Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so you euro guys know, this build is vry euro :< - GuildWarsSrsBsns 04:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't the entire point in running omegaspike making to be so euro that the other team gets bored and just is like. ok, /resign. Brandnew 07:50, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, omega actually wipes you in 4-5 mins. Depends rly on how clean they are. Rawrawr Dinosaur 14:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Omega is bog domages! and lolDA [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin

How much damage does the caller actually do, though, since surely there are other callers you could take which do more whilst still packing DW? OK I know there's the utility too (e.g. "Incoming!") but still. 188.74.101.228 01:50, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Archive
nerfed to hellFifty Pieces
 * There will still be an omega spike, just wait and see what people start using [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 00:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * make up replacements frosty, you are awesome theorycrafter--Relyk 01:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * D: [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 05:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * We have faith in you.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 07:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, Frosty is a terrible theorycrafter, but he is an excellent observer. <3 Frosty. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   08:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Take A/P, Just take expell on the FC water since P&H is gone. Replace the glass arrows ranger with BA with kindle arrows to achieve the same damage. Hole [[Image:Hole-sig.jpg|19px]]Talk! 10:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow that's actually terrible, power shot ftw. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 13:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * goin back to 1st evar pewpew? maybe modded somehow tho.--<font color="Blue">BLUE  <font color="Blue">APACHES  <font color="Blue">WILL KILL YOU!!!watch out or die, your choice 06:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Its nerfed in it current state, so archiving it. If some idiot finds a new good omegaspike, then update it. Massive  17:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Unarchive?
This still works actually, and its seeing some play too, just with blood necro instead of the pod. Hole Talk! 09:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Archive
^Do it. --Crow 17:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

updated
lol fagspike--TahiriVeila 00:47, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * does anyone run it like that or did you just change it for the hell of it. we can revett if no one runs it. Gringo 00:59, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I obsed it yesterday. The prof's were the same tho I can't confirm that they ran the exact bars. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 09:21, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Still seeing some use this way. The bip necro was essentially useless and just another target to spike down.--TahiriVeila 19:07, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm quite sure none was saccing with bip, aye. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 19:13, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I always like the PoD necro with stand weapon spells and protective was koalai for loldefense and the like [[Image:JonasGWWAvatar.jpg]]  Jonas  21:28, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Except now there's no aegis that needs to be PoD'd =\--TahiriVeila 00:58, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * However there is the alternative to the necro support, the Archive:N/Rt BiP Spike Necro which provides much greater protection and support from BiPing monks, and BiPing eles for snares/blind. Also the damage is not that bad either... but its negligable seeing how warrior, mindshock, MoI, and 2 rangers is already overkill.
 * Thats the same BiP that used to be on there? <font color=Orange face="Comic Sans MS">Shazzy diddles 05:10, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Except bip bars are bad and unnecessary--TahiriVeila 05:40, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * from the mouth of the best gvg plyr. Gringo 06:40, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I play with Crow. I must be the goodest. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 08:33, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be awesome if you would explain your reasoning to why BiP is "bad." You've obviously never monked high end GvG. You'll want to have sex with your BiP. Also, you've probably never seen a GOOD BiP. The idiots (such as Veila) will squat in the middle of the other team and BiP until they're at 132 health and then get killed by Keen Arrow. The decent ones sit back and hardly EVER take any damage. A functional and somewhat coordinated team could easily take advantage of the Pro's a BiP offers for Omegaspike and lessen the impact of the cons. When it comes down to it, the decision is that of the teams themselves. Therefore I propose it be at least mentioned as a variant for that particular build slot. 76.185.20.44 00:24, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Jake (Tahiri) is a better player by me than far, and not even I should be stupid enough to play BiP like that. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 01:51, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait thats not how you midline? <font color=Orange face="Comic Sans MS">Shazzy diddles 19:07, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the thought is based on tanking the opposite team while providing your monk with energy to keep alive. Much utility in one character. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 19:59, December 5, 2009 (UTC)