Archive talk:Team - GvG Balanced Hexway

If anyone is interested in writing it up:
 * Conjure Hundred Blades can be optional for another warrior (Whirling Axe, another Criplsash, Devhammer, Magehunters, Coward Axe etc something that does big pressures).
 * Att's for bars are pretty simple -> Cripslash is 12+1+1Sword, 12+1Strength, 3Resto. - Hundred Blades is 12+1+1Sword, 8+1Strength 10Air - Mel's is 12+1+1expertise, 9+1marks, 9+1wilder, 3 prot - VoR is 12+1+3Dom, 10+1fastcast, 8+1Inspir, 2Resto - Lingering is 12+1+1Curses, 12+1Soulre - Prot monk is 12+1+1Prot and 10+1Divine with 8 Tactics or 12+1Divine with 3Shadow/Dom for Return or Hex Breaker - WoH is 12+1+1heal, 10+1Prot, 7+1Divine and 4Dom/Shadow for Hexbreaker or Return (or go 12+1+1heal, 7+1Prot, 8+1Divine and 8 tactics for Disciplined) - E/Rt is 10+1+1energy, 12resto, 7+1water and 4+1air.

QQ I will end up writing it up probably anyway. Frosty  the Admin 22:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Be moar brave and run two VoR mesmers, and LC, ONE warrior, and an IA ranger to do lolpressure. -- 00:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

UHm Hundred Blades Oo? Axe or Hammer imo... Massive  14:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you look up I did say it could be replaced by a number of warrior bars. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]Frosty  the Admin 14:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I cba to change it, but you should probably not run the pact on the crip slash as mostly you run conjure, either put the pact on ranger or on other war imo. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  14:58, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Vote
gogo, this is focking meta :> Massive   11:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoever made this is stupid. Hexway is really not balanced; it's an abuse of broken skills. Balanced hexway is therfore not possible. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  20:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's as balanced as hexway gets, especially compared to 1 R/D, 2 Me/Rt, 2 N/E, 2 Mo/Me E/Rt... [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]Frosty  the Admin 20:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yet hexes are not balanced. Balanced is honorable builds played by skill; this isn't. This is how retarted the opponent positions themselves. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  20:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Lose the Cripslash
You run WK with either coward axe or whirling--Goldenstar 20:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Where are you all seeing coward axe so much? I have honestly seen like 1 or 2 at max teams running a coward axe in the current meta, and none of those have been with hexway :/. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  21:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe not so much in gvg, it's most used axe in HA though. Definitely Whirling axe w/hexway thoguh, and no second war--Goldenstar 21:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

since when is hexway
balanced? 86.82.19.96 21:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Balance = a variation of professions, so yes this is balanced (hexway) Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 17:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's balanced in the fact that it can split, deal with splits, and beat various teams through smart play. Smurf Ohai 10:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

This
Isn't too great in a dual ranger meta. --Crow 23:35, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * eh we just document the meta, does anyone run it? book used to frequently. Gringo 00:12, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen not many people play it, most common builds are really just dual ranger balanced and dual ranger dual para, with dual ranger balanced being the most common by far. --Crow 00:20, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh and some guilds are running balanced too. --Crow 00:23, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Lots of guilds are still using this in the 200-300 range to farm ladder--TahiriVeila 00:51, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * K, but it at least deserves to be out of great and in good or something, as 9 times out of 10 (a good) dual ranger shits all over this, and it is being used by basically everyone. --Crow 16:42, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * its still a great build, just not in this meta. that means it should either be archived or have its meta tag removed. i removed meta tag (so lower ranked people can still find the build on here). its not like top 50 players come here to get builds, so lets just leave it in Great for the bad people. Gringo 18:23, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * If it doesn't work in the meta it should be archived until the meta is over. Let us do the janitoring, you can do the disagreeing-with-other-people-who-should-be-voting part. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 18:30, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * ok then archive it, don't vote it down idiot. Gringo 18:37, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you please could stop constantly insulting and putting me down.
 * If you please could stop telling me to do things I did 5 minutes ago.
 * If you please could realize the reasoning in just voting down a build instead of archiving it, because some people actually still run it. Mel's shot as an example. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 18:40, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't archive, it still does work, but it's just really difficult to beat a good dual ranger, there are still loads of average/shit dual rangers you can beat with this. --Crow 18:41, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont play anymore, but i would think its still a great build if in the right hands. a good team running this will beat a lot of dual rangers, so it should still be in Great. its just that when two great teams running this vs dual ranger that it loses, but players like that won't get their builds off here. once the meta passes it'll be back in great, so lets just remove the meta tag and keep it in great. and chaos stfu, let crow and i talk. Gringo 18:46, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's not as useful in the current meta, then it should stay in Good for the time being. If it completely slips out of play (can't see that happening, but...), then we'll archive it as "Great". I don't see why this is a problem. Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  18:48, 19 November 2009
 * Im ok with that if you want to do it, im just saying that i think its still a great build, especially for the types of people that come to the site. Its a great build that just isnt in the meta, which is exactly why we have the meta tag system. Gringo 18:54, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that it can still beat worse dual rangers, and at lower ranks, with guilds of similar ranks fighting, the hexway would have a higher chance of winning probably (just predicting here since I haven't checked). So best thing would be to keep it in good. --Crow 20:13, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Can I flame Saint now for starting drama about me doing the right thing to start with? -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 18:55, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. And I agree with you, Saint. But effectiveness (at least here) is normally measured by how proficient it is in the current meta. And Crow knows the current GvG meta better than most of us. I think "Good" is fine for now. If you disagree though, and want to continue to discuss why, feel free. I'm always willing to change my mind. Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  18:57, 19 November 2009
 * I don't really disagree with him and he made good points, but he could well have kept it at a civil level. If he has a bad day and needs to flame something, then sure, but Luke is the other way. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 19:03, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * its because you did the first thing crow suggested, instead of waiting until a consensus had been reached. this just 5 minutes after writing "so much dickriding" on his rfbm. Gringo 19:04, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't deny that Crow doesn't have knowledge of GvG. Both you and Jake also indicated that it's still ran but not so great at the moment. I also thought that leaving it in "great" for bad people to run a currently quite bad build is invalid documentation, and the only actually good choice was to rate it down to good. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 19:15, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * i've never denied that, and crow said that its difficult to beat a good dual ranger with this, which there arent many of in the 200-400 range of gvg. Gringo 19:20, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * LJ is banned atm :D. Anyway, if you have a problem with him, work it out on his talk page or report it on the AN. Tbh, I'd prefer the former. Saint, same thing. This is the wrong page for this. Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:07, 19 November 2009
 * I actually have nothing against LJ, . -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 19:15, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments were mixed. I was referring to you and Saint (my first sentence was addressing what you said about him going to flame Luke rather than you). However, as I said, this conversation doesn't belong here. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:22, 19 November 2009

Me/N Version
I didn't realise we didn't have the 1 War 1 Me/N version of this that [rawr] ran a while back. It works much better and no doubt will be seeing use on Weeping this mAT. Should we change this to reflect that or make new one? --Crow 00:12, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * what is it fast cast cultists? i cant imagine they ran barbs with 1 warrior Oo, but i haven't obsd in forever. if its CE or PoD then make a new one, if its cultists like this then we can just remodel, imo. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 00:20, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just the Vamp Spirit Splitter to make runner camp base so you wipe them pretty much. --Crow 00:24, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * post it seperate. hexway split or something. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 00:39, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Updated 3/22/10
In the process of doing update now, main build page should reflect minibars soon enough.--TahiriVeila 15:12, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * who runs it with lingering? i've seen VoR+fast cast blood, cripslash/sin frontliner + ranger, and it works very well. no point in having a lingering rly. Gringo 16:23, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, we run it with lingering :P igloo~ 18:00, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * and you are...? why would lingering be better then fc blood. bleeding + siphon spread, shutting down melee with weakness are all better then lingering. Gringo 18:02, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * To stop RC being able to heal for several hundred i expect? igloo~ 18:50, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * By that logic FC Blood is bad. -- Chaos?  -- 18:55, March 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not telling you you're wrong, but don't compare effects of elite skills to effects of whole bars, unless trying to make an argument convincing, which I just spoiled for you. -- Chaos?  -- 18:55, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a dumb comment to make. Shut up. --Crow 19:06, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and why has somebody changed the bar to cultists and left minibar as LC? O.o igloo~ 18:53, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Remembering things is surprisingly hard. -- Chaos?  -- 18:55, March 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Aha, i forget everything tbh igloo~ 18:56, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't gotten to changing the main bars yet, I just had time to do the minibars. And @ saint I've been seeing quite a number of of LCs and I should have listed the FC blood. I'll change it so that it's an optional between FC blood/Lingering--TahiriVeila 21:04, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why
Isnt this vetted and meta'd yet? <font color="FF 00 00">S t<font color="00 FF FF">e <font color="00 FF 00">a <font color="FF 00 00">m y:> 18:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mainbars still haven't been changed to reflect minibars. Might get to it this weekend.--TahiriVeila 15:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

WHAT
This better not be abandoned, its meta! :< -- Steamy Igloo!  17:16, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, now someone just needs to fix up the atts and it's good to go into testing. <font face="Courier New" color="Black">Toraen <font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 19:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

please
put this into testing. my guild and many others run this. its kinda meta atm. on our necro we take spoil victor instead though. doesnt really make too much of a difference though -- <font color="DarkBlue">Ang <font color="DarkBlue">el <font color="DarkBlue">us 21:34, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

stuff
--Lemming 02:09, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You get a lot more mileage dropping the sig on the sin for dash than you would going resless on any other character in the build. Normal Lingering bar has drain/sig for ep/dd.
 * Jungle Strike is awful.
 * SV is probably better than a Lingering in a two hexer build.
 * Attribute split on WoH should be 12/8/8/7.
 * Savage Slash tends to be straight-up better than Bulls on conjure cripslash.
 * Too many Survivor Insignias recommended.
 * You got one thing wrong, LC is very strong for a 2 man hexer build because LC is AoE and therefore adds a lot of extra pressure combined with your SW [[File:Tyrael.png]]--<font color="Black">(Talk) 09:06, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ and its amazing for cover hex cause of AoE. -- Steamy .. x
 * And yet, when you press B, SV is at least as well represented as LC in two melee hex builds. Admittedly, LC does get quite a bit better with more assassins, on account of how well barbs synergizes with it, but SV is still common enough to at least merit presentation as an alternative. --Lemming 19:45, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * are you lemming from the qq forums? 91.150.31.217 20:08, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd have hoped to be known for more than that. -__________- --Lemming 00:12, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lemming for gold, gogogo MoI--TahiriVeila 20:53, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lemming from the QQ forums. ^____^ --Crow 22:13, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

zzz
Changed some stuff. --Lemming 22:07, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The assassin benefits far more from having 8 skills than the necro does.
 * Binding is unnecessary when 90% of teams run a healer's boon.
 * A lot of the equipment suggestions were just plain wrong.

SW
replace with what? -- Steamy .. x 21:23, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Unarchive
Tempted to unarchive this, put in an axe war, an HB flag, and stick a meta tag on. Anyone mind? --74.63.112.143 15:26, September 25, 2010 (UTC) If it's meta, no one will care so long as it gets documented. Toraen 16:39, September 25, 2010 (UTC)