Archive talk:Team - 600/Smite Frostmaw

Change bat killer to a hero
[build prof=Mo/A Smit=12+1+3][Ray of Judgment][Recall][Optional][Optional][Optional][Optional][Optional][Optional][/build] so you dont have to wait on another player to show up to be the bat killer. + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  01:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for suggestion

why to waste cons when a sin can do this without cons?Yaniv242 06:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * couldnt you just do the well of suffering thing to kill the incubi? and i dont see why you need consumables.--Relyk 07:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There are other ways of killing Incubi but remember that doing so takes up spaces of necessary skills on the smiter. You would need to add a Ranger and Necro to accomplish this and have the smiter at full capacity.  Also, although a Perma-Sin can do this, it takes much longer, and consumables are more much preferred than necessary.

Could I ask WHY the armor buff from IAU is good to have? Update description please. Ikhebl0l 22:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you fail more at 600/Smite? The armor buff still allows you to take plenty more than 60 damage per hit, while providing an anti-knockdown so you dont get stuck in knocklock and die. + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  22:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * iau is for the anti-kd only--Relyk 02:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Was actually a legitimate concern. He's just saying the description is worded incorrectly because it makes it seem like the armor buff is important. Life   Guardian  03:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is kind of significant but most things hit hard enough in this dungeon for it not to matter. Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]Feya  07:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Dwarven Stability
I reworded it since it was incorrect.

Why use a full conset ? Does this build suggest the use of 5 full conset for frostmaw's burrows ? Elephantaliste Noir 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why use cons at all if you're doing 600/smite? O.o--TahiriVeila 02:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Cons aren't necessarily required but i posted them a necessary as it makes the run much more efficient

RoJ
Is really outdated. I'd post the good version but I don't see the point in making FMB easier for all the noobs all there who steal my runs. 75.94.31.80 02:33, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why post at all then...?--TahiriVeila 02:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so you know you should update it. 75.94.31.80 02:36, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * So you want to help us by telling us we need a new build but you won't tell us how? You seem to be kinda contradictory...--TahiriVeila 02:39, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Better then not telling you anything and leaving you to FMB with a build that's outdated by about 4 months. At least I pointed out that you needed a new one. Also, I was bored and felt an urge to do something (be it constructive or not). 75.94.31.80 02:45, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol ip is funny, people can see your builds while you run them so it doesn't matter much if you post it here. Also what Tahiri said^ :p BLUE LAZERS  Eat It User-Baby Blue Lazer sig pic.jpg‎ 02:51, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure people who copy/paste builds are terrible, you actually need to know what you're doing to run frostmaws, not just think you're awesome because you can load the builds. Try to run it consistently in 35 min and then come back and call me funny again. 75.94.31.80 02:56, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol you're smart, is your build so groundbreaking that no one will figure it out? I think not, it's not like learning how to run a dungeon is hard. Lol well anyways gz on being useless by telling us we need to do something without helping us do it at all. BLUE LAZERS   Eat It User-Baby Blue Lazer sig pic.jpg‎ 03:21, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll do that. Just don't complain when you still won't be done after an hour and a half and all your runees will rage and join my team because I can actually run it. Good day to you. 75.94.31.80 03:30, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why are you boasting here? Its easy to go along on a run, note down where u go and what skills you use and just do it. All they need is some experience with 600/smite or running etc. If you weren't going to help then why bother...and no, pointing out the build is old is not helpful at all--121.210.176.105 13:43, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I do dungeons for fun not profit, this build was meant for self completion over taking leechers for money. If you are kind enough to share a better build I would be very thankful.

Frostmaw
Is no problem? It has dark apostacy. I don't rly think this will be a problem, but im not sure.

How long does this takes to complete? I did frostmaw in 1.5 hour with heroes/hench only. Used one powerstone of courage after mandragors.82.72.100.252 15:32, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Also mantra of resolve has been nerved (5 sec duration). Looks no useable now82.72.100.252 14:50, September 23, 2009 (UTC) Actually It's only 5s in PvP. Still regular Duration otherwise.

Cryer
Isn't it much more effective when you would change the RoJ to a Cryer with Ether nightmare/CoP becuz RoJ scatters?

Without Conset
Tried this without conset and the RoJ didn't have the PvE skills so it was obviously harder than the ideal build.

Level 1 & 2 were easy.

Level 3 & 4 were a bit of a pain especially against the Succubi. Can't really survive their shriek, smaller groups are Ok but when there are more than 3 death was a guarantee. Nothing can be done to help against soulrending shriek.

Level 5 was easy.

I'm not sure this is good other than to run people as I recall the run being fast in a normal team of 8 when I did this to fill my guide. Also, the description for the role of the RoJ isn't very detailed, not sure the 3 enchants (veil, balth & essence bond) are of much use. RoJ was often low on energy.

Overall I would say the team build works but it's not great and I have a hard time believing someone can do the whole run in 35 minutes with it. Keep in mind we didn't use consets and the RoJ didn't have the build mentioned.

Could be profitable though if you can get 5 people to pay a good price for the run.