User:Shadowsin/Examples of how we should(nt) vote

First let me start by saying I was probably guilty of this somewhere along the line but here it goes... =Words of Wisdom= In the end, we aim to teach people about what makes a build effective and which builds to use. It may not seem that way at first glance, but the fact of the matter is that the only people we're likely to impact are those who don't know how to make a good build and who don't know which builds to use. At first glance, it might appear that the goal of the vetting process is merely to determine which builds are good and which builds are not. And yes, part of teaching people about builds consists merely of showing them which are the good builds and which the bad. But there's a reason we ask people to provide a justification for their votes. Partially, of course, we require justifications in order to weed out votes based on false premises, etc., but more important is the potential for teaching people what makes a build good and what makes a build bad. Sure, if I post a meta build, those votes probably aren't going to mean much to me, but they may mean something to someone else who isn't as well informed/knowledgeable. And this is even more true when it comes to those truly awful builds. In most cases, these are builds posted by people who genuinely think the build is good (or even great), they don't know any better. So what's the point of posting a 0-0-0 vote with the reasoning as "Terribad" or something along those lines? Sure, it's obvious to you, and sure, you're preventing the build from being vetted and potentially having a negative impact on other users. But are you helping the author (who in this case represents one of those people who we might actually be able to have an impact on)? You're telling them this particular build which they've posted is bad, maybe they'll even stop using it, but unless you get to the root of the problem, you're not really helping them at all (besides which, they're unlikely to believe we've given their build a fair shake, so they may end up learning nothing at all). *Defiant Elements*  +talk  20:10, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

=Ways Not To Get On This Page=
 * 1) Don’t add images to votes...dumb asses...
 * 2) Refrain from saying things like... "Put this in the god awful section" or "HAHAHAHHA ur bad."
 * 3) Try to at least instruct the author on the talk page before acting like an elitist asshat on the vote page.
 * 4) Common courtesy makes you look like less of an ass.
 * 5) If a user QQ's on you it is most likely because you flamed them.
 * 6) Being elitist is reserved for a few select people. (There are more I just ran out of words and those three are most deserving/active).
 * 7) Most importantly, It’s just a bloody game folks... you know fun? If your blood pressure is going to rise over something silly like someone posting a bad build then I suggest you take a long look in the mirror and start to make some changes. There is absolutely no reason to tell someone to uninstall GW because they failed at making a good build.... Or TYPE IN ALL CAPS ABOUT HOW STUPID SOMEONE IS. Learning to play the game is half the fun yes? I guess on another note remembering that some of the people submitting to this site are <13 years old, do you really want it on your conscious that you told a 13 y/o that they failed at life and should stop playing a game!?
 * 8) Always remember big brother is watching you o.o

How To Add To This Page
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 Actual Vote by: User:The votes Author

Comment on why this vote was good bad or otherwise

Good Voting

 * 1) Helpful and informative <- New users sometimes havn't experienced the general standards that veteran pvx'ers have learned.
 * 2) Short and to the point<- There is no need to write a book on why a build is good or bad.
 * 3) Separate the author from the build, unless you frequent the history you dont know who or what has edited a build. keep comments toward the build and the builds features.
 * 4) Language <- not saying you cant swear but at least dont go all out, although i would keep racial remarks to the talk pages... eg. "Fuck this fucking build it shoud go in the damn trash its so shitty." <-yeah totally not necessary.
 * 5) See PvXWiki:Real Vetting for most everything else.

Good Votes

 * Find a vote that is exceptionally good? well written? Simple yet effective? Stick it here.

'''Grenth's Aura removes the hard-to-get enchantments like SB, OF, and S-Form. Too bad no one uses those. Rending Touch > Grenth's Aura, especially in enchantment-less Dervishes. Otherwise, a generic AoL Dervish.''' by:User:Guild of Deals

To the point explains whats bad about the build and what you should use instead.

Archive:A/E AoD Shock Sin
vote to long for this page look on ratings page by:User:Wyvern

''Awesome vote. Clearly explains why he voted the way he did, says all the good points and the bad points and even goes further to explain what may seem as a bad point in the build and say why it really isn't. Although most users probably shouldn't go into this much detail, its still a good vote.''

'''Righto, serious reasoning it is. The warrior can't effectively use flail, because pulverising smash takes adrenaline. This means its "spike" is slowed down, and won't kill stuff. The derv bar is not suited to flagging, pious haste rips off prot as you go into the stand, and its got 0 self survivability. Crippling victory is a rubbish snare. Ranger only has 12 expertise, and wants to spam cripshot. Dual shot is bad outside of ranger spikes, and there's no quick follow up like savage shot. Kindle arrows and conjure flame are wastes of skill slots, apply poison would put more pressure on a team. Mark of rodgort on a ranger is plain fail. There is only 1 stand monk, so you'll get wiped in about 10 seconds, especially since it has no prot. The split ele has ward, to protect a skirmish team of 3, which is a waste of energy. The WoR healer won't keep anything alive if they respond to a split. The rit spiker is just bad, it's so-so in its intended arena of AB, and fails here.

Furthermore, kindle arrows.''' by User:Lord of all tyria

Covers everything that's bad about the build.

Bad Votes

 * Votes that aren't necessarily insulting or mean but dont really serve a purpose, not helpful at all if you will.

Use your sandbox by:Frans

Not really insulting but still essentially a pointless vote.


 * I hope you don't mind I write it here, but the reason I posted this, was there's no reason to use A/E over E/A. Mostly when ppl have a funny idea for AB or w/e, they put it on their sandbox. My intention wasn't to insult (I know you didn't say so).[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  11:32, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

'''Terrible sword attacks, no real need for the elite. Overall worse than terrible.''' by:Godliest

''First part fine, last part overkill. You want me to elaborate? fine, here goes, Hitler was worse than terrible, Stalin was worse than terrible, using a blank bar in GvG is worse than terrible, bringing pve skills into a pvp arena is worse than terrible, but the build in question was not "Worse than terrible" ive seen about 1000 other things that could be claimed as such and tacking it on to the end of a vote that already made sense is just stupid.''

Comment too short... by:Unexist

''Your damn right >.> your a build master I thought you were past votes like this? Vote it down but say why, it’s your job to remove these types of votes so why add them?''

super suckytastic by: Goldenstar

''wtb reason? wts attitude?''

Archive:A/D Fox's Promise Scythe
Liek omg it are amazing and great. by: User:Shadowsin

''No point to it. Slangy and bad.''

'''Onslaught and frenzy on a dervish. I loled my pants wet.''' by:User:Crossfirexiv

''Tmi tbh, if your laughing that hard over a build enough to loose control of your bladder function maybe you should see a doctor or grow up? "Onslaught and frenzy on this build are bad" <- Should have been all you would have had to say.''

Mentally Challenged Votes

 * These are votes that are heavy with sarcasm, trying to be elite, insults, and pretty much just trying to put the author[s] down.

'''Wow! Fire Magic AND Shadow Arts! That's synergy! I'M A NINJA!!''' by User:Guild of Deals|

There was totally no point to even saying that, what the hell were you thinking?

'''IM A NINJA! I BURN THINGS THEN OH NOES THEY'RE SNARED! (Someone put the god awful tag on this xD)''' by User:The Gates Assassin

The first part is just pointless and dumb, the second part is just overkill on the flame factor.

'''any more The EvisceMate executioners strike sPike dont work that much but ITS fairly effective. Very weak aBainst any type of Anti-melee and shock is a cosDly interrupt skill. The bold words please''' by User:Crossfirexiv

''Copied the Rawrawr vote spree then added what I guess he thought to be a clever little message with bolded letters. Wow. Thanks for the effort now lrn2vote.''

All votes on the page Telling people that they suck doesn't belong on the voting page.

ele with an ax, SYNERGY AMIRITE by: User:Antiarchangel

''no you're not right oh wait was that your point? I forgot the part where moronic sarcasm was acceptable in a vote. Say why it’s not good and stfu please.''

'''Might I say 'Horribad'? Tri-Chop = No thanks.''' by:User:PvXJing

You might say that about your rating but again taking it too far is just stupid.

'''Medicore Sword attacks that can now almost instantly RECHARGE!!! WOW!!! Persides the fact the damage is complete shit and and the attacks either recharge relatively quickly or just plain suck, this is pretty leet. Okay, this sucks more than a midget prostitute.''' by: User:Guild of Deals

''Some parts of the vote are fine, mostly the non insulting parts... moronic sarcasm and speaking about midget prostitutes little to overkill yes?''

''' any more the eviscerate executioners strike spike dont work that much but its fairly effective. very weak against any type of anti-melee and shock is a costly interrupt skill.''' by: User:Mizzouman2002

Would have just been a bad vote but since he A) Voted against the most used build on GW atm, and B) QQ'd and called everyone stupid for disagreeing with him, it has made the mentally inept section of this page.

Should be banned votes
Votes that are directed at a specific user, counter votes, NPA violations, or just so blatantly offending that it is just aweful.

'''Joshthor, were you dropped on your head as a baby? This is does NOT need a lot of E-Management. You said 'spamming a bunch of dagger skills'. Pretend this is a sin. This 'spam of dagger skills' consists of FOUR attacks with a cost of 5 each. That's as low as it gets. Spirit Str (5), Sight (5) Wep of Aggression (10), Charge (5), Spike (20) is not as energy intensive as you think. Take a pair of Zealous Daggers for the downtime and you have about 40DPS with no spike. However, the chain is conditional and the entire spike is finished if your foe just bunches with another foe. Overall this is bad.''' by User:PvXJing

First theres the need to read PvX:NPA and then there’s the need to read PvX:Real Vetting, if you want to dispute a users vote do so POLITELY on their talk page, doing so with a counter vote will A. Result in it being removed, and B. Result in a ban for the guilty party if the vote was offending enough, this one is mildly offensive but >.> still no need for it.

See Below
Archive:Team - Mystic Ursanway
 * This build is fail. You won't be killing anything with it (Removed because of Great build)


 * This build is fail. You won't be killing anything with it


 * Why would anyone use this crap? There are already so many better running builds out there and I think we have settled on the fact that D/A is the best runner at this point in time.


 * This build is fail. You won't be killing anything with it

Archive:A/any BH Spike Sin
 * This build is fail. You won't be killing anything with it (Removed because of Archive)

''Started vandalising my (Relyk) builds after he got upset with one of votes. See his page for my discussion with him. It violates both NPA and Real Vetting policies from what I can tell. I really don't want people like this messing up the wiki. On the BH Spike Sin, Ted tried but it was archived before he could make it count. Currently, he's vandalised all my builds except ones that are (or should be) Great. People would notice otherwise.''
 * By: User:TedTheFarmer

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