Build talk:E/Mo 105hp Farmer

Initial Testing
The elementalist counterpart to all those generic 55/105 farming builds (Monk, Mesmer,  Necromancer,  Ritualist,  Dervish). It isn't that great, but for now it looks slightly faster than the Earth-Magic alternatives. Still needs some additional testing though. Feydslynox (talk) 16:37, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I can see the motivation for this, but tbh, I've never been a fan of these 55/105 build pages. They are almost always mediocre in the spirit of providing a one-size-fits-all build. For instance, Shield of Judgment is one of the worst solo farm elites for monks in my experience, there is almost always a faster alternative, but you have to tweak the bar for each location. That being said, glimmering mark does seem kinda slow. Its neat that it is armor ignoring and doesn't cause scatter though, so with large enough pulls, it might be a good thing. Many times 105 isn't required either. You might be able to solo with some earth magic prots and spamming big fire nukes and cracked armor, for example (ele attunement I love u). Anyways, is there any area in particular where you think this build performs very well? I'll have to give it a try. Us3r1OO425457 (talk) 01:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting concept with glimmering mark. I have not tested it out yet, but doesn't whirlwind and LoD cause scatter?  I played around with it a bit with the E/Mo 330hp Sliver Farmer as inspiration.
 * [build prof=e/mo air=12+1+3 earth=10+3 prot=8 ener=2+3][Protective Spirit][Stoneflesh Aura][Glyph of Swiftness][Iron Mist][Glimmering Mark][Whirlwind][Light of Deldrimor][Balthazar's Spirit][/build]
 * I have not tested this out either. Just playing around.  Might be energy hungry and you might not be able to keep a cycle with all the casting time with all the spells. MozoGW (talk) 02:02, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah nvm. Scratch that.  The cycle for the above sucks.  I was also thinking about this a little more.  Why not just add Glimmering Mark to the 55 Monk Farmer page?  Just drop the smite and add to air.  True it would be better with an Elementalist variant so maybe keep this page?  Glimmering Mark Pros: no scatter & armor ignoring. Glimmering Mark Cons: slow (not a lot of dmg output), cannot pair with skills that target. MozoGW (talk) 00:42, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I'm funna try to spend some more time testing this when I get a chance Us3r1OO425457 (talk) 14:08, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I'm funna try to spend some more time testing this when I get a chance Us3r1OO425457 (talk) 14:08, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Jade Brotherhood in Wajjun Bazaar
Did a little bit of testing here. The below bar doesn't look too enticing, but I think it may be faster than the 105/glimmering mark bar. Also, there are no PbAoE skills on this bar, so there is no scatter (as opposed to whirlwind and light of deldrimor?). [build prof=E/Any air=4+1 ear=10+1 fir=12+1+3 ene=7+3][Incendiary Bonds@19][Shell Shock@7][Flare@19][Stoneflesh Aura@13][Kinetic Armor@13][Elemental Attunement][Aura of Restoration][Elemental Lord (Kurzick)][/build] I got a few silk bolts from running this, but also curious what is the major benefit of this farm? What path do you normally take? Also, the brotherhood mesmers seem maybe too difficult to farm with this build or the 105 build, too many interrupts. Maybe can work anti-interrupt in somehow, but I don't see it working too well against mesmers. Thoughts? I'd like to test Stone Elementals in Old Ascalon next. Cheers Us3r1OO425457 (talk) 14:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Heya, thanks for testing this ! The path for Jade Brotherhood farming is detailed on the 55/105 Monk and 55/105 Mesmer pages, the groups with enemy Mesmers and Ritualists are usually avoided. The low-hp Dervish, on the other hand, can take on enemy Jade Mesmers. IIRC Whirlwind and LoD do not cause scatter against single groups of three melee enemies, such as the Jade Brotherhood or the Stone Elementals.


 * Furthermore, against those enemies you can go 55hp with Healing Breeze as the only defensive skill, allowing you to take another offensive skill (in that case something like Lightning Touch would work). That being said, 55 builds are inherently restricted to the most basic of farms so don't expect anything flashy here. Those farms (Jade, Stone Elementals, Undead, etc...) are mainly done for mats like Granite, Bones, Plant Fibers, Jade Shards...


 * About low-hp farming, personally, I think those 55/105 builds (and by extension, 330 ones) are still relevant today because :


 * Accessible "first farms" are needed. It's a very forgiving build, the equipment needed is super cheap making it ideal for either casual players or newcomers.
 * Farming in GW is a key part of acquiring wealth, and new players also need some to get some platinum/experience before moving on to more sophisticated farms or speedclearing.
 * 55/105 (and 330) builds teach you basic concepts like positioning, spell cycling, etc...
 * The "idea" of 55 farming is still very much alive in the eyes of the community, we see it popping from time to time on Reddit and this means veterans can easily teach new players or link the PvX pages to them.


 * I tried some bursty Fire Magic-based builds here before but found that the armor-respecting damage was making the thing too slow compared to the Air Magic one. I can be wrong on that though, my memory is a bit fuzzy. Feydslynox (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, fair enough. The bar I presented was faster than glimmering mark though, and I think it is also easily obtainable for new players and very easy to use. Perhaps some of these arguments about teaching new players, etc, are more basis for creating a guide than a vetted build? I guess, one series of questions might help clarify my thinking here. If we were to create two separate build pages simply for the Wajjun Bazaar path (the bar I posted, and the 105 glimmering mark bar), I would probably trash vote the 105 bar and maybe give a 'good' rating to the bar I posted (assuming this is a worthwhile farm to begin with), because it was faster during fights and between fights, easier to use/self sufficient on energy. Also, if there is a more optimal 105 bar for wazzun, can you let me know what it is so I can compare? How would you rate 105 vs the bar I posted for Wajjun Bazaar? If you are focused on providing a beginner build, would it be worthwhile to put one of those beginner tags on build? Also, do you think the bar I posted is beginner friendly? Like I said, I think you made good arguments, but more from a build-guide perspective rather than a vetted build perspective. I see vetted builds as a space for optimal builds, but if they are beginner focused, I think we have a tag for that. 105/glimmering mark is a neat concept nonetheless. Us3r1OO425457 (talk) 15:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Stone Elementals in Old Ascalon
I killed each group in 7 seconds flat with the bar posted in the above section. Glimmering/105 didn't come close :/ Us3r1OO425457 (talk) 01:13, 18 November 2020 (UTC)