Archive talk:A/E Phoenix Blossom

Archive Discussion please
I always messup archiving, discussion is old, build needs re-discussing/voting etc... I wrote it up, and find it becoming less wtfpwn now than when it came out. --Hikari 00:23, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Discussion
The combo was obvious, but I thought I'd put an article up, the article is basic and could use some improvments. Point out some other good enchant combos, I put what I could think of off the top of my head. --Hikari 04:21, 10 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Dude i love this build! Excellent use of conjure lightning. The Moebius<-->Horns of the Ox is LETHAL. I have never had energy problems with this build, but maybe it's because i run full radiant and +5e dags. One thing: I wish it had death's charge or some shadow step ability. Other than that, excellent work (Duriel 18:47, 14 August 2007 (CEST))


 * i love this build. A+ &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 04:28, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * i'd make critical standard for horns though. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 04:44, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Look under the skill bar =) --Hikari 04:47, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Playing around with this build. Having some energy problems. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 05:30, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Never mind, ran Radiant and it was better. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 05:33, 10 August 2007 (CEST)

Storm Djinn's Haste makes it a little energy intense, crit strike is almost required if you run it with that. --Hikari 05:49, 10 August 2007 (CEST)


 * i say change air magic to fir and go FDH and conjure flame instead, that way ther's no energy loss and the build still has the same efect and cost, with slightly more damage form FDHPhenaxkian 14:32, 10 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Meh, I liked the 1/4th 5E, but Ill put FDH and Conjure under the main bar. --Hikari 21:44, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I'm just thinking it makes more sensse is all, and if the main reason you chose it was cast time, not too much to worry about, FDH is 3/4 cast time (1/2 more) and there's not much chance of an interrupt because human reaction time isn't that good (for the most part anyway...), and plus this way you deal more damage from FDH effectPhenaxkian 19:39, 14 August 2007 (CEST)
 * FDH is 10 Energy, and has a short duration as well.
 * True that it costs more energy to cast but overall it costs less, SDH=5+(number of seconds moving)which means your looking at a maximum of 21 (16 sec duration and 5 cast) and you wouldn't cast if your not really moving...as for FDH having a shorter duration at the same rank it's 11 secs which is long enough to last longer than the recharge by 1 secPhenaxkian 21:02, 14 August 2007 (CEST)

Wouldn't Flame Djinn's Haste + Conjure Flame + Fiery Daggers be better? Assassins have issues with energy and losing 21 energy with SDH just doesn't seem worth it. --Hawk Skeer 05:49, 1 December 2007 (CET)

I like this build alot. Works very well since it has a knockdown and very high DPS. When I critical against a 60 AL target using Death Blossom I strike for 83, which is good pressure and can help in spikes. Considering over 50 damage is armor ignoring because it is bonus damage, it doesn't lose much power against high armor targets. Not the most creative, but it works great. Knockdown, great damage, overall great build.ArisB 01:35, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Guardian + Mending Touch
I realized at 8 prot prayers, guardian now lasts 5 seconds, which would be more than enough time to get GPS off, this may seem odd, guardian on an assassin...but oddly enough, it can actually work. Combine that with Mending Touch and you have a rather durable character, but keep in mind for the 13/13/8 Split, you have to run a major rune, this is just speculation but I think I'll try it out. --Hikari 05:23, 10 August 2007 (CEST)

tbh...thats actually a good idea...if you can get some form of healing skill(ZB ASSASIN *HINT*). Ni 05:35, 10 August 2007 (CEST)

Does Restful Breeze trigger Golden Phoenix Strike? &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 05:39, 10 August 2007 (CEST)


 * I would think so, I'll have to test that later. --Hikari 05:43, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Tested, no it doesn't =( --Hikari 05:47, 10 August 2007 (CEST)


 * AM/CM Survival Variant, it's great ^___^ --Hikari 05:54, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * (edit conflict) Why not just run


 * That? You can drop a point off Dagger into Shadow Arts. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 05:56, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * yeah the new deaths charge is so leet i love it &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 05:55, 10 August 2007 (CEST)


 * The bar you posted is just the bar in the main article, with Impale filling in the optional slot...which is already right under the skill bar, and a self heal replacing Res Sig...which is fairly obvious. --Hikari 06:04, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Yeah, that was the point. I wouldn't go making a monk variant for it. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 06:14, 10 August 2007 (CEST)

But it has Guardian ^______________^!!!! But oh well, I really like the new buffs to Death's Charge and Dark Prison. You don't need the conjures, and your spreading your attributes pretty thin with Dagger, Crit, Deadly, Shadow, AND Air, besides Twisting Fangs with Conjures is 1337.--Hikari 06:27, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You dont need to much deadly for impale to work well, deep wound doesnt really have to last more than ~7 seconds &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 06:34, 10 August 2007 (CEST)

Perfect Score!
A build I made got a perfect score? *sniff* I'm so proud, I smell a nerf coming though, i tore through 3 players in like 15 seconds in RA O_O --Hikari 21:46, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Yeah, but that's RA. =P &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:01, 10 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Dont ruin my moment of hapiness! --Hikari 00:54, 11 August 2007 (CEST)

Shock as varient, i love screwing with monks :))))))Tsupert 17:07, 22 September 2007 (CEST)


 * Yea i seriously think theyr gonna increase the recharge for death blossom lol... --Wu is me 14:07, 22 October 2007 (CEST)
 * But think about it, not so bad if you get them below 50% Hp.. ;) 82.26.142.182 05:14, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Conjure Frost
Hmm Would Conjure Frost and Armor of Mist be a good Water Variant?? or maybe forgot the speed boost and add Frigid armor.. Probaly need to drop a few points into water tho. Experienced 07:07, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * That's what I've been running, with GoEP replacing Horns on the bar. Didn't even realize the build was vetted, el oh el. --InternetLOL 03:28, 28 September 2007 (CEST)

Switching to an elemental weapon > frigid armour. AoM has too much downtime. Tycn 08:26, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

AoM also is cheaper than FDH and SDH, and provides a + armor boost, still I < 3 SDH. --Hikari 06:11, 29 September 2007 (CEST)

Note on Conjures
The note at the bottom says that the Conjure line provides a damage AND speed boost. It provides no speed boost. That comes only from SDH.

Reithan 00:02, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

Conjure SETS ( Flame + FDH, Lightning + SDH, Frost + AoM ) --Hikari 03:19, 3 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Since when are FDH, SDH and AoM conjures? — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 03:26, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
 * He said conjre sets-that means the elementals attributes conjure and Speed Buff so if you were air magic your conjure SET would be conjure lightning and Storm Djinns haste, fire would be conjure flam and flame Djinns haste and water would be conjure frost and Armor of mist....
 * I get what he meant. I'm just pointing out it's poorly worded. FDH/SDH/AoM is not a conjure, it doesn't come pre-packaged with a conjure, not is it really related to conjures in any way other than they're both in this build. — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 18:15, 3 October 2007 (CEST)

Variant for Storm Djinn's Haste
Couldn't Siphon Speed work well for people who are going to target you for kiting? This can really help when facing Warriors or other sins, I think.--70.176.247.196 02:01, 7 November 2007 (CET)
 * SDH is better as it provides a cover enchant for Conjure, and you don't have to stop and cast your snare/escape method. --Hikari 05:23, 22 November 2007 (CET)

This build is lame
There are much more efficient and viable builds out there, I think this needs to go into the good or perhaps other category. 75.164.195.146 07:59, 19 December 2007 (CET)
 * Much more efficient and viable assassin builds? No. --71.229.204.25 08:02, 19 December 2007 (CET)

Fantastic Build
I kicked ass in AB and RA, great build to use, great fun, so much damage! awesome as :D however for AB, i found it useful to drop Res Sig for DASH and Storm Djinn's Haste for SHADOW REFUGE. I wanted some self healing in there, even though it was little. :)
 * Just be careful, if your conjure gets stripped you're useless, SDH is there for cover. --Hikari 00:21, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Less effective
I used something similar, but nowadays blocking has become a major issue.. I did 14 RA battles and encountered 11 aegis/guardian/etc. spammers. Maybe add in variants /W with warrior's cunning (or is that elite? don't remember). Not my normal IP but WTH 213.125.158.224 04:38, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Ehm oops that's not possible. Better go secondary necro with Rigor Mortis, and some cheap cover hex maybe? Comment! 213.125.158.224 04:49, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Use Shattering Assault. --71.229 05:01, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * That's elite skill and it wouldn't be a variant of this build, but a whole new build... The point is to release all the DPS from moebius + blossom w/o it being blocked. There are a couple of possibilities but they all have their downsides and require large investmenst in attributes to function effectively. Any1 got a bright idea? 213.125.158.224 06:54, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Shattering Assault. :/ --71.229 06:55, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Dude... That would wreck this build... The build revolves around the Death Blossom + Moebius Strike spammable combo for massive DPS. That means the elite skill 'slot' is already filled in! Incase you don't know.. only one 1337 skill per build allowed! So please no more mindless spamming of the words Shattering Assault! 195.240.8.208 15:14, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * And you're missing my point. No matter what you do to this build, Shattering Assault will always be better for getting around blocks.  Therefore, if you're having trouble with blocks, run SA.  Simple. --71.229 01:53, 14 January 2008 (EST)
 * Wow. Just wow.  I hope you're being intentionally obtuse.  --68.187.144.197 06:40, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * No, no I'm not. MS/DB is for the raw numbers it can generate.  SA is for punching through defense webs.  You're trying to use a build for a purpose it isn't designed for, and it will therefore always be inferior to a build that is designed for that purpose. --71.229 06:56, 16 January 2008 (EST)
 * How about Expose Defenses. Anyone wanna back me up on this one? It's what I use in RA and AB and I find it effective with a small amount of attr. points with a minor rune.66.74.171.134 02:21, 17 January 2008 (EST)
 * Expose is kinda fail now, you'd have to raise your deadly arts up too high for it to work properly. The build is for pressure, switch targets when they start to block. --Hikari 03:58, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Inspired but different
Check this for a build using the same principal (DB+Moebius) but in a no-blocking setup. It's too different to be a variant of this, so I created a new page. 195.240.8.208 12:27, 14 January 2008 (EST)

energy
very very good build, only when I use this build, i worry about energy. Zeal daggers? i guess... and crit strikes. but there is still an energy threat♪Destiny Of Kiest♪ (talk / pvxcontribs ) 20:17, 22 January 2008 (EST)
 * if u have ever played MS/DB spam you should know energy isnt a problem. And if not I'm telling it to you now.-- Korineczek --( Toalk -- Koantribooshns ) 10:45, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Creativity
I've seen this before.-- Fire Tock  19:10, 1 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's MS/DB. It's pretty common.  This is just one of the best incarnations of it. --71.229.204.25 20:21, 1 February 2008 (EST)
 * 71.229 has spoken.[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  10:31, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

AB
6-7 Second kill on the Master of Damage, averaging about 60 DPS after the initial spike (went on until the Master of Damage stopped me)and can knockdown lots after 50% health. Usually, Unsuspecting->Fox Fangs->Critical Strike->Moebius Strike->Twisting Fangs will be enough to kill, but HotO is good for snaring/disruption and another dual attack in case Critical Strike is recharging. It doesn't allow for AoE damage (like against NPCs) but it's worth the loss for a strong spike and knockdowns. In RA, I run Golden Phoenix Strike instead of Unsuspecting Strike and Fox Fangs so I could take Resurrection Signet. The version I use, however, wouldn't be called Phoenix Blossom, but something closer to Conjure Moebius (which is a PvE build.) ــмıкε нaшк  15:32, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
 * We're in the Golden Fang Strike age, tyvm-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 00:15, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Fixed up
The build to have Deep Wound main bar which it needed. -- Frosty  02:39, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Is this even used anymore?
^^^ 23:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI Pheonix refers to fire.-- ZZuuM   Canderouss   23:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)