PvXwiki talk:Requests for adminship/Jaigoda

I'm not holding out too much for this, but I really feel like someone needs to step up at this point, and if it's not me, then maybe Relyk or Aonsephonie. -- Jai . -  14:30, June 21 2011 (UTC)

Couple of things
First clarification of my vacation: I'm leaving Saturday (25th) and return approximately 2 weeks later (about 10th July).

Right, now that's said I have one major question. Did anyone attempt to contact any admin last night when the vandalism occurred? That means e-mail/IM/IRC whatever. I'm fairly sure somebody would have been around to respond to one of these. (I know me and Auron have pretty opposite schedules (with an hour or two overlap before I sleep)).

Also, generally we don't promote on the sole reason we need more admins...it'd have to be extreme circumstances, and a couple of vandal(bots?) is nothing to worry about. If it's bots we can do things to make it harder for them to edit. If it's people then..well we can sort things out from there.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  17:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I did post on Toraen's talk page, but didn't do anything else because I don't have anyone's MSN and never think to use the email thing. And I can definitely understand that people aren't promoted just because there's a spot open or something, though in my eyes it would have to factor in. If there was a need for more admins but no one that would be acceptable as admin, then no one would be promoted. But IMO, if there was a need for more admins and there was someone who could at least do an acceptable job and not abuse their powers, then I feel that should qualify that person to be admin material. Obviously my reasoning has pretty much no weight, but that's at least how I'd see it if I were the policy-maker.
 * And just so you know, I'm almost positive that the vandal wasn't a bot, considering he/she/they posted different stuff on every page, undid undo's, added images to already-vandalized pages, etc. Not to mention it did stop after a certain point, even before Toraen got on. -- Jai . -  23:56, June 21 2011 (UTC)


 * Hm, not everyone has e-mails sent to them when a message is left on their talk page (for instance I don't, but I check in (though you normally don't see me edit) quite frequently when I'm around). The question was of course referring to anyone, not jsut you in specific (I just don't like the reasoning "nobody was on" when chances are nobody was on the wiki so they didn't know what was happening (lucky timing?)).
 * It does play a factor to a degree, but I don't think there's ever been a case for needing more admins that desperately (only 2 instances come to mind and they were extreme circumstances).
 * Also anybody can make (:suggest) a policy (or change to an existing one), you don't have to be an admin or a BCrat (it's just admins and BCrats tend to be more involved in those discussions because it effects them a lot).
 * While that does make it more likely it's a person (I'd be inclined to say it was) it wouldn't be hard to make a bot that does that (well, if you know how to get round captcha's)  ~ PheNaxKian talk  00:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to make policy or anything. I was just expressing my opinions as to how (I think) the reasoning should be for promoting people to admins. It was nothing more than my rationale, and I'm not trying to say that's how it should be, just simply so that you could understand why I felt nominating myself for adminship made sense to me.
 * And if someone were able to make a bot that sophisticated, I have a feeling that PvX would basically be at their complete disposal. -- Jai . -  00:32, June 22 2011 (UTC)

Questions
OK I want to keep questions pertaining to you being an admin from the stuff above:


 * 1) What would you do with the admin tools?
 * 2) How do you think would make you a good admin?
 * 3) What do you think you'd bring to the team?
 * 4) What would your reaction to a seemingly malicious editor be?
 * 5) How would you respond to an aggressive user?

That's all I can think of for now.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  17:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll answer all this as soon as I get home this evening, about 3-4 hours from now. -- Jai . -  19:10, June 21 2011 (UTC)

I doubt this changes anything, but whatever. -- Jai . -  23:43, June 21 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Delete crap that Toraen doesn't get to, ban excessive trolling and/or vandalism.
 * 2) Aside from when I'm intentionally being a fag, I'm actually pretty level-headed and listen to what people are saying more than most people on PvX do.
 * 3) I have no life and will probably be around to catch things when the other admins are involved.
 * 4) Probably the typical response: If there's any possibility of it being a misunderstanding (e.g. blanking pages), which is what it usually is, then bring it to their talk page. If it keeps going, semi-short ban (week or less), and past that, month or perma ban. If it's something that's obviously vandalism, then an immediate, week or month ban, and if it's really serious (like porn), then perma.
 * 5) Tough one. If I were actually an admin and had to be accountable and whatnot, I'd probably be civil and try to get them to be civil as well. Hopefully, I wouldn't escalate after that. Probably a good example would be YuriZahard's page. At first, I did try to be constructive and helpful, but once I realized he wasn't going to listen (about halfway down the page), I turned into a fag (and even after that I tried to be constructive again, but it still didn't work). If I were an admin in that case, I'd probably just step out of that conversation once I realized the dude wasn't going change his views.

opposing self
So should I just close this if that's the case? Or would you rather leave it open and see if something changes?  ~ PheNaxKian talk  23:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you or Toraen are convinced by the above wall/list of text, then leave it open. The whole self-oppose thing was basically a joke because I figured it was pretty much settled. If I'm wrong on that one, then I'll be happy to retract my vote. XD -- Jai . -  23:43, June 21 2011 (UTC)

Further explanation for my support
Sup guys. So, anyone who knows me is probably like "lolwut. danny thinks jai might be a not completely shit admin? he must be on some good fucking lsd right now." Really, though, there are two big points beyond what I already listed on the front page: 1) people tend to change when given a banhammer and "civic duties" and 2) even phen's been baited before. The former is related to human psychology - people in bureaucratic positions, for some reason or other, tend to completely ignore the parts of them that go "dude you could totally abuse your power right now come on fucking do it" because they feel like they've been trusted with something that they ought not to violate. The latter is related to growing up and building up an internet resistance. In all honesty, giving Jai admin will either break him and make him retire quickly or he'll quickly realize people are retarded and that, instead of fighting with them, it's better to call them a nigger, ban them for an hour, remove their talk from your watchlist, and go on about your business.

This all said, I'm entirely inactive from any standpoint other then checking-my-talk-page-for-shit, so I'm a bit out of the loop. Danny 07:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm finding it rather funny/interesting that a good portion of the people who have trolled me over the years are now supporting me. ^.^ -- Jai . -  03:57, July 1 2011 (UTC)

kk
There's probably enough here to get an idea of how people feel about my nomination at this point. I still feel that I'd do a fair job at being an admin, but I know it's a little hard to believe with my track record. That's it I guess. -- Jai . -  03:51, July 1 2011 (UTC)

hello there, i am a talkpage.
only to go on further to say makes me question the motive of stepping up in the first place. Seeing this is basically contradicting the point, it makes me question your confidence as to being an admin. Another related question that I raise is why do you feel the need (besides the lack of attention from some admins) to step up if there isn't really much to do? Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   19:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a few things, even though I'm late and at this point I'm not sure it matters. First, Relyk isn't opposing my nomination for personal reasons AFAIK, he's just seen the fact that I can honestly be a major retard frequently enough to cause concern, and he didn't nominate himself either (someone else did). And I'm actually 18. Also, I freely admit that I'm not particularly great at GW's, but so will Phen and Toraen, and they've both been fantastic admins. I also completely understand the need for both high-level and low-level builds, and I judge builds with their purpose fully in mind, yada yada. As for karate, if I were given the choice I might have tried a different style (though stuff like judo would be unlikely considering my size), but my area doesn't have much of anything besides tai kwon do and karate. :/ -- Jai . -  03:40, July 1 2011 (UTC)
 * I should clarify that I don't think I'm the ideal admin. I know that I can get sucked into drama a little too easily. But if I do become admin, I'd obviously try to avoid that, and it wouldn't even be that hard at this point since PvX is usually too dead to stir up too much drama. Also, I'd be interested in knowing why exactly you think I shouldn't be in this position. -- Jai . -  19:06, June 21 2011 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal against you as a person or as a GW player. I've rarely gotten into conflicts with you as it is, so please do not take it wrong. Although I feel like you should question brandnew's vote more than mine, I just believe that an ideal admin really should go for the job more than the janitorial business. You don't need admin tools to do that. While the conflicts last night are definitely startling, I don't think people should step up alone because of it. With some parts in your nomination such as stating a need for admins such as
 * "But at the moment, there's a hole to fill and there are about three active users that might even be capable of filling it."
 * "There isn't really much else to do around here anyway, and very little in which I could actually abuse my power."
 * No, I'm not taking any of this personally, because I've already said that in better circumstances, I never would even consider myself for something like this. Also, I didn't question Brandnew's vote because, being perfectly honest, I've never seen him post something that wasn't retarded. I just felt the need for someone to step up because, had Toraen happened to go to sleep early or something, people would have been viewing porn on here for hours last night. Phen and Toraen are the only admins that come here more than twice a week, and they're both getting busy with real life. I mean, even if there's little work admins need to do right now, we still need them regardless. But, it's fine. As long as the vandal dude doesn't come back, there's probably not all that much need for me at this point. -- Jai . -  22:56, June 21 2011 (UTC)
 * @Relyk and Jake: No harm done. I figured this was probably how it'd turn out. I also lol'd a little when Jake said "sorry." -- Jai . -  22:56, June 21 2011 (UTC)
 * Phen said he's going on vacation starting this weekend, so that's probably why he's still currently online. -- Jai . -  15:54, June 21 2011 (UTC)