Archive talk:Team - 2 Man UW Clear

run that shit get your profit. + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  03:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How much time does it get?--ValeV 09:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't, know I haven't ran it yet, but I'm assuming if you and your partner don't suck then...(mind math) less than an hour and should require only 2 essences of celerity. + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  16:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wondering how many people would pay for this though, considering almost everyone has an assassin and it's much cheaper to just UWSC. Good in theory but i don't see it working practically--TahiriVeila 17:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. If you are UWSCing with pugs, you fail 9/10 times so you can't get end chest. If you pay for this run, you (should) get it for sure.--ValeV 20:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right but if you pug 30 times (the equivalent cost of paying 30k for a run), you'll suceed 3 times and make at least 12k in profit. The whole point of UW is amassing lots of ectos for profit whereas dungeons are for books and a chance at a very rare and valuable drop from the endquest. I guess what i'm saying is UW is meant for being run as many times as possible (10-15 times a day) very quickly (under 15 mins if possible) and therefore isn't something you want to get run through. People pay for runs for dungeons for books and for a chance at a mega-rare drop. Neither of those exist for UW so there's no point in getting it run--TahiriVeila 21:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Mhm, I still thinks it's better to get end-chest and not to fail almost everytime. And leechers can go afk.--ValeV 13:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * TBH, Veila, these runs wouldnt be for sins obviousally, itd be for all thoes people who's main character isnt a sin... btw nice sign time vale XP --DarkChaosSig.png 15:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hehe, I suppose I was just lucky :).--ValeV 18:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right but if you pug 30 times (the equivalent cost of paying 30k for a run), you'll suceed 3 times and make at least 12k in profit. 1 successful run > 10 hours in Underworld for 3 successful runs. + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  16:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

So, Lyssan, I say you edit Usage and that stuff and move it to testing.--ValeV 11:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it. It's pretty well thought out, and I think I'll give it a try with my friend. :) Could be good profit! AtomiK 23:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

If anyone wanna do it with me add me IGN: Valev Asasinko. I'm perma #1. :)--ValeV 18:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

K, no one's ever gonna pay 30k for UW chest, and no one who doesn't have a sin has the money to pay 30k for a run anyway--TahiriVeila 20:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's actually really easy to fill up a group for this. Just advertise about the HoM, endchest, 100k exp for survivors, etc. Life Guardian 21:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

This just looks like uwsc but your entire team has wiped except chamber + wastes and theyre covering everyone elses areas.. apart from getting more potential ecto drops, and you could run people, it doesnt seem to have much of a point. --86.130.20.228 10:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Running 6 people for 30k a piece is hawt. Life Guardian 10:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ohai Life, want to play this with me? + ℓγ ss άή [rage]  14:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhh, yeah, but lets go on a practice run first so i can get used to the order. Life Guardian 19:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay so
I just updated the usage for both Permas is it's much less vague. I need someone to test this with me. I can play either Perma, though I don't have much experience in Pools, so if I could play Perma #1 that would be preferrable. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  15:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, yeah, I'd like to try this. Preferably as Perma #2.  Ironboot  × 15:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay cool. What's your IGN I can play whenever you want to. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  16:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

MMM ran this last night. First run was slow as we were learning some areas. 2nd run was alot faster but still not in the time most people do it. Was under 2 essence though. Nice builds. You think adding a 3rd terra would speed it under a 30?
 * I'd rather keep it 2 man, more profit for each person. I suppose you can run with 3 permas. the 3rd perma could pop the planes reaper sooner and do mtns for perma 2.  But it is unneeded.  Feel free to run a third perma if you want. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή  <font color="#007766">[rage]  17:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Life said it would take 2 permas 35 minutes iirc--Relyk 18:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Iirc=? Anyways, Ironboot and I just did our first run. It took a while, but that's because we were figuring out different tactics for 4h (the A/Me can't do it alone), Iron died on mtns, and Wrathful Spirits had a few problems. Anyways, it works fine so go go 5-5-X. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή  <font color="#007766">[rage]  19:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sssh, I lagged because of shitty american districts. I think the final time was around 1 hour 5 min. iirc = if I remember correctly.  Ironboot  × 19:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Best case senario
Okay, so assume you're getting these runs, you've gotta be looking to make a profit. The only way to make any real money out of end chest (the goal of uw clear) is for a perf r9 CC or eblade. considering those go for ~75e each and that it costs 30k (7e) a run you'd need a perfect ebalde to drop once every 8 runs just to break even. That. doesn't. happen. There's no logical reason to pay 30k to get run through UW which is why no one pays to get UW runs, they just farm it with speed clear for ectos. This entire build is a completely flawed concept.--TahiriVeila 19:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's really not. People don't do it just for the end chest. They also do it for the HoM on characters that can't DO uw. Survivors also get 100k exp. All of you need to stop theorycrafting and go try to form a group for this. It's NOT THAT HARD to get 6 people willing to do this. Life Guardian 20:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * people have been doing uw runs for 30k, where have you been?--Relyk 20:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would you need a UW run when two people with discord heroes can clear out UW in nm in under an hour?--TahiriVeila 21:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why do people get runs for other things like missions and dungeons? People are lazy, get over it and stop being bad. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  02:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * can't this just be used 2 farm ecto's for 1 hour and get an end chest aswell as running... and is easier 2 get a 2 man team than an 8 man or just with a m8 u kno is pro... u wont kno 8 ppl pro who will be free to do a uwsc at once so y not do this instead --86.135.103.153 12:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sad. Why fail? You guys haven't even tried it. :(--ValeV 18:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We did try it and it does work just slow without much practise. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  20:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * So practice! Same you could say for perma form cryer. If you cant cast arcane echoed SF than build sucks. Wrong.--ValeV 08:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I never seen anyone pay for UW runs unless its spider runs and even then nobody charges more than 15k. --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin.jpg 09:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

People run this, and people buy the runs. You can find services on Guru. Selket Shadowdancer 10:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just did this with a friend, first time ever for both of us. No deaths, and we did it in 1 hour and 5 minutes. I'm looking forward to running people with this set-up. AtomiK 05:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

This Build
Despite all the comments that no player would logically want to have UW run, people do play this build and others are successfully run by this. We are here to judge the build's effectiveness, not how stupid other players are for wanting to take these runs. It is like criticising boss farming builds by saying that no-one buys greens anymore. I'm contemplating removing all votes that do not relate to the builds actual effectiveness, I agree that 30k is slightly on the rediculous side but obviously people do take runs at that price. Each run will give each perma around 80k in profit, assuming 3 full consets are used. <font color="Maroon">Athrun <font color="Grey">Feya 15:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks for the consideration. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  16:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * i've cleared all the ones that don't relate to the builds effectiveness. Vote sensibly this time please. <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  18:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

This build
I like this build, lets do that maths to put these guys up here to shame. So you are all whining about how players won't pay 30k. Ok, on a normal UWSC run with pugs, I would say 5/10 times you'll be successful and with pugs, times average at 20-35mins. So lets say on your average successful UWSC with pugs, you make 10-15k profit, thats 10-15k/30mins including all drops. With this 2-man team, as stated, if your good it will take 60 mins, lets say if your bad, 90 mins. Even if you charge 20k per run you'll still make alot more profit than UWSC, and people will take it for 20k. At 20k a full run, thats about 50k/60 mins after consets and without any drops. So in total, each Assassin in this 2-man team will make around 70-80k per hour. Another bonus with this build is that you are more likely to run it with someone you know, someone you can trust, and probably someone better than the average pug, meaning you'll prolly be successful 9/10 times. Thanks -- Douche  WHACK!  21:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where you came across the 60 minute completion time. It takes about half that time. And thats including the enormous amount of time it takes to convince 6 people to pay up before you finish. Also, mirror of disenchantment is not needed, just a little interrupting ability. CoP can interupt IW. http://i25.tinypic.com/2emoiux.jpg76.249.189.181 06:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well do the bars you use have the same skills (excluding MoD)? Or do they have different skills? If so please post. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  16:04, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

The Split
I read through the split for A/Me and A/E and it seems like the A/E has way more to do than the A/me. The A/E is expected to do two areas in the time the A/Me does one, twice. pools and mountain <=> pits wastes and planes <=> chamber
 * Well the A/Me can't exactly to wastes, pools, plaines, or mtns can they? And the A/Me does Chamber, Clears up to Vale Reaper, and UWG. By which time, the Plaines reaper should be cleared. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  16:02, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

IAU
If you're doing this run i'm assuming you're going to be fairly close to an expert at UW runs and that you're going to be running candies, cupcakes in particular. If that's the case thenIAU is kind of pointless, you might as well take rad field so the sliver can get wastes + 4h done faster--TahiriVeila 02:21, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure whatever if it makes you wet go ahead and change it. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  22:33, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Updated Spawns
killed with the skeles methinksBrow0081 07:33, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * links to spawned things please. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  22:57, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Bump. Is this still reasonable, or does it take way too long now? <font face="Courier New" color="Black">Toraen <font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor 05:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no clue. If you're good and you can change around then I guess so but I'm not sure. Better archive it.+ <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  13:25, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Golden Age of UW
Ahhh good times, I updated to reflect better tactics etc. and builds which don't have crap like IAU ^^. Duo UW is still possible after skele update, but AFAIK nobody has done it yet. We will probably do a run fairly soon (Note: this does not include killing Dhuum). -- Impulsion