Archive talk:E/any Blinding Surge Snarer

Discuss before Rapta deletes it again.--X 14  21:25, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Low Water Magic is kinda meh, but it works, i guess... might as well leave Shock Arrow as optional for draw or something.--Relyk 23:19, 22 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Shock arrow for e-mangagement = awesomesauce.--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 23:23, 22 April 2008 (EDT)


 * And why using Attunement+GolE+Shock Arrow ? Didi 04:26, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * To not run out of energy? - Auron 04:30, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * That's maybetoo much. How did they before Shock Arrow's update ? Didi 04:46, 23 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Wrong it works like this: Attunement + GoLE + Blinding Surge = energy gain. But gole was specificly made for the water magic spelss.  Shock arrow is in the build for 2 reasons.  1 for extra energy management and 2. The old version of this build used LIGHTNING STRIKE which has the same casting, recharge, and energy as shock arrow.  The only difference is this one gives back 8 energy (+2 from Attunement) which the other just does extra damage.--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14  09:31, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, like cross says, you can't spam bsurge with simply attune and get away with it. GoLE is for the ward and a single other spell every 30 seconds; it isn't the end-all e management spell. When you add in orb... you run out quick. Shock arrow is necessary.
 * GvG tag is kind of bad on this though. Either run water or air, both have full bars of good skills (or at least, you can supplement air's lack of good skills with wards). - Auron 05:10, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Auron, the water magic spells are for both support and offense. If you have... say 3 wars attacking you, frozen burst then Lightning surge then theyre all blinded for like 8 seconds.  They dont have enough time to seperate because theyre snared.  Also can be very effective when monks for example need to kite and are being attacked, and if an enemy is coming close, and you snare them real quick.  it has its uses.  Also Frozen Burst is for kiting when, you are being attacked also.  Think how pissed the foe is when they move 66% slower, blinded, and youre happily taking energy with shock arrow lol.--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14  08:49, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Auron is right, you're wrong. Ward is far too strong . —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:25, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Asp runs that, the last skill is probably Gaze or Rend given it's rawrspike. 66.33.252.108 08:58, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Played him yesterday and yes its Gaze. Gotta love playing A/D spike against a character with gaze, blinds, blurred, snares.I Heal If U Shutup 23:56, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

FoMF
WHY? 82.42.244.212 10:02, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * And wai not?--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 22:24, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * ZOMG BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU LOSE HALF YOUR HEALTH! - Star Seeker  |  My talk  08:52, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not nearly as good since the update. You could constantly res with it. Death Pact Signet is better. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  08:53, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Did you not read the big floaty blue thing above every page on PVXWIKI? lol--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 08:56, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Those changes are probably gonna stay anyway, just like last time. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  08:57, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Read Izzy's talkpage. He explained its only temporary for the upcoming tourny.--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14  08:59, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * (ECx2)I'm not sure whether to believe them or not with this one... if skills are IMBA they will still be IMBA in the future, so why would Anet change them back? -- [[image:klumpeetsignature.jpg|19px]]Klumpeet . ŧ . ¢ . 08:59, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, like I said. It's just unlikely they will revert much of it. Also, I learned from the past. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  09:03, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * True.--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 21:14, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * The changes will be reverted. Read the dev notes; they're focusing on changes that only affect GvG in the future. More of the "npcs don't get healed from recuperation" is what we'll see, less of the universal skill nerfs. - Auron 06:00, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Tyvm Auron.--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 08:52, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Or they just wanted to quickly nerf them for the AT to have time to fix them. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush$2+2=4$ 15:30, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Rw
Cause someone is retarded at making builds.--Relyk 11:08, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Excuse me?--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 11:43, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * What needs to be done? (dont call me retarded ty)--X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 17:55, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I think i fixed it up pretty well. Retarded = exuberant writing style, Crossefire. >:P --Relyk 20:28, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
 * This build works pretty great Imo. I tried it out in RA, and it kept basicly the entire opposing team pissed off.  Snares are very good for kiting andhelping out allies, and B-surge keeps them blind.  Its a lot of Utility tbh, but it works.[[Image:Phoenix.jpg|19px]]Kìεsτ   ( talk / pvxcontribs ) 09:52, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Bsurge with freezing gust, and blurred vision has always been common. This is just a bad version of that.I Heal If U Shutup 00:46, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Needs spike support for GvG. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  10:23, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Gale is spike support isn't it? Brandnew  pew pew me!  10:45, 2 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Spike Support = Freezing gust, Gale, Frozen Burst.--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 11:01, 2 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Nice they reverted B-surge back finally.--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 21:38, 2 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Spike support is big dmg, fgt´s. Gale is a utility, that you can use before spike. But that doesn´t say you have to use it. L-orb is big dmg which you'd much rather use then gale. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  12:10, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Remove HB Tag
Amirite? --Luuck 18:39, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

This build
Is for ppl without snare on another char, it also means this will more likly be defense ball, and defense ball does big domage spike, so you take shell shock/lorb to do big domage.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  16:20, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm true :D--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 17:00, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Unarchive?
please come back<font color="Teal">-WaffleZ LOL-. 10:23, 13 December 2008 (EST)

No Gale makes me sad. - Star Seeker  12:11, 13 December 2008 (EST)


 * Wrong gale is good. -çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ <font color="#B3C51B">ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ [[Image:Crossfirexiv grinchsig.gif|19px]] 21:15, 14 December 2008 (EST)
 * Apparently, it's "no gale makes me sad", not "no, gale makes me sad".<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 21:21, 14 December 2008 (EST)
 * Oh. i didnt realize ;)  Ill fix -Crossfire  <font color="#B3C51B">XIV  21:35, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Maybe Ice Prison or something?
Since Gust is 10enj :> and same blurred, and it isnt affected by attunement? Bit long recharge thou but long snare :D Massive   03:39, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Convert / Hex Removal?|
Well if u run a classic Balance build, maybe adding Convert to clean ppl upp :>? Nice vs that Soul Bind, Lingering, Suffering, RI (UNREMOVABLE), to counter all the hexs way to a little extent:P Massive   04:04, 15 December 2008 (EST)

NEEDS MOAR SHUTDOWN