Talk:New User Guide/Policies

Shouldn't we make a distinction between policies and guidelines? AGF and YAV are guidelines. Karate  Jesus  23:42, 31 January 2010
 * does it really matter? - Athrun Feya - 02:17, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it depends. Some new users who are used to wiki sites will try to quote policy on admins when asked/told to do something and often throw guidelines out there like they're swords to be shoved in the lower intestine of admins and then stand back celebrating their glorious victories. I haven't been an admin long, but AGF has been thrown in my face by new users at least three times as if I should lose adminship over it - most often this has happened over email when a user was banned for something blatant (NPA vios, etc.).
 * So, it depends on your perspective. Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  02:38, 1 February 2010
 * I think that kind of stuff is perfectly fine. If new users fall back on AGF then you have to question what made them feel like they'd be treated unfairly (and if you can show you've given them the benefit of the doubt numerous times then all be well). - Athrun Feya - 02:45, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, the only time it's been thrown in my face was by a person who obviously violated NPA, by a person who was vandalizing the site by removing content from pages and adding stuff like "fuck you", and by Nifle (which I've already apologized for). Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  02:50, 1 February 2010
 * Well cases like the former you know you're in the right, so no problem. The latter is an example of where questioning your actions and reviewing what happened could've changed the situation quite significantly. - Athrun Feya - 02:57, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is fine. Anyone is allowed to question an admin (it's guaranteed in policy), but equating guidelines to policy means that new people to the site will be able to accuse other users of not following YAV or AGF and should therefore be banned.....which just isn't true. Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:00, 1 February 2010
 * Quoting YAV and AGF from user to user is really very unheard of though (don't think I've ever seen it actually) - <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Athrun <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Feya - 03:09, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not, it used to happen a long time ago. But, I'll digress as this shouldn't be just a two person conversation. I've said what I wanted to say :D <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:11, 1 February 2010