Build talk:Team - 7 Hero Speedbooking

Copy these over the bars on this? This is pretty much a team build since you need to rely on heroes for each part. Toraen TheJanitor 23:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The format I chose is similar to Archive:A/any Speedbooker with no bars for nornbear. I also think having blood magic skills is just stupid, so thats why I didnt include them.  Otherwise, I guess this could be moved to a team build, but then why isnt the A/any? Ressmonkey 23:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know why that is. It really should be, because the build pack script will only grab the first build if it's not a team build, making that entry rather pointless. I guess we could move both to be team builds (and archive the current Hero Speedbook page) and distinguish in their names between Assassin and open primary. Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 23:55, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan. Ressmonkey 00:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * the hero speedbook build and any hero speedbook is really a joke, it just consists of using spiritway and fall back and the builds depend on the profession. im not sure how reliable using sb and dagger spam to do atc is compared to killing a couple groups and charging in; it's the best way to do it regardless though.-- Relyk  talk  02:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Its actually quite reliable once you get it down, but if you forget a single thing, you'll fail. If you forget nothing though, very high success rate. Ressmonkey 02:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * iirc you could just as easily do it with barrier bonding and you wouldn't need 105 armor nvm-- Relyk  talk  03:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

So I was doing this today since it was Against the Charr for the ZM and for the first time ever I died while doing everything right in ATC. So I guess failing ATC can happen, but that was like 1 in 50, so its a very low chance. Ressmonkey 02:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Any Chance of Working for Paragons/Warriors?
Seems a tough task for a warrior to maintain Shadow form :/ also I'll report back in about 10 minutes on how ATC went on a paragon. --Chieftain Alex 14:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I dont think so, paragons should just run Imbagon with spiritway and they will be really fast though there is no speedbooking for them.--GWPirate 15:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Works ok for paragon running ATC, just bear in mind that the video makes ATC look much easier than it is :/ I ended up taking meatshields to help cover the heroes from being spiked while running over the last mob before the camp, and to avoid devourer 1 hitting bond heroes. --Chieftain Alex 16:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC) p.s. think nornbear would be better with Fall back + spiritway.
 * Spiked by what, Flare? You definitely shouldnt have less than 400 health on any of those heroes.  Also, the devourer shouldnt be doing too much damage to them since I have never seen it use any skills. Ressmonkey 17:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fuck knows, but the degen stacks up and when they do get hit by flare/whatever else the fuck they're walking into they regularly died on way out of aggro. --Chieftain Alex 17:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What Ive seen happen before is if they drop out of your aggro bubble they can get hit by meteor shower if it targets you and that will kill them really fast, but otherwise just try increasing their health if youre having trouble. If that doesnt work, try waiting before aggroing so that both incoming and fall back are recharged and hitting them both at the exact same time so then you can break aggro more quickly. Ressmonkey 17:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ^^ I reckon I've spent 2k on runes to try these builds out on the paragon - heroes would probably be alright if I went to the effort of getting them suited with vigors and survivor runes (also could use shield sets on heroes)--Chieftain Alex 20:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

New AtC Build
So after the asuran scan nerf, the any/a AtC build probably doesnt work. I just didnt test it cuz it would be a waste of time. However, a different build can be used. The template code for an ele is: OgFSQ5KTzkxlXF5iqMaF9FTN. So I'll be rewriting the atc part soon and moving the article because its no longer any/a. Ressmonkey 20:33, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would think daggers still kill faster. wouldnt FH be better than IAtS?-- Relyk  talk  01:47, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, dont forget that hundred blades's damage gets amplified by ebsoh as well. Also, FH! is only 80 damage and a little from cracked armor (remember DW from FtW!) while that is only 4 attacks from IatS! which should trigger about 10 times since it should be precast and reapplied. Ressmonkey 02:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ive tried with the actual asura scan (didnt realize at first that it was nerfed) and i succeed to do 1 run every 5 runs of failling. so yeah we should remove asura scan from the build. 65.92.160.216 17:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I am the strongest works for AtC, I've change asura scan for it in the build, but i think other skills may work also. 65.92.160.216 18:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Template Codes
-- Chieftain   Alex  07:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Up to date?
Tried to do this for the first time today, Spell breaker runs out halfway through soulreigns hp. I'm using the derv atc build below. Is this build up to date? Even when I took SF as a backup they outdamaged the meager healing... This build just doesn't work without more damage 87.195.101.155 22:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ressmonkey said in the comments of the linked video he posted that it's probably not viable with the update to Asuran Scan. It needs to be updated, or archived if no one can bother to come up with an alternative.-- Relyk 20:16, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know about CotN and AtC, but ATFH should be run with this, what's in this build is outdated. Dzjudz sig.png talk 20:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw a sin do this with this exact build, but I'm thinking it's mainly cause of his rep ranks... If you have r10 norn and vanguard you can probably do this on any prof, but that defeats the purpose of speedbooking 87.195.101.155 19:56, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's still possible to do it as Any/A, but you have to cast spell breaker and healing breeze on the run (to last longer). Success rate is also affected by random death of your heroes (losing bonds) or spawning Charr Prophet (can be avoided sometimes) who's healing boss. Heroes can also get stucked on the group of charr (only group you have to aggro before camp) if they cast spirit of anguish. If you know what's you're doing, you've got at most 50% chance to successfully complete mission. ITemplarI 17:41, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll upload a video on how to do this. I have a 95% success rate. The primary profession I use is Assassin and I have maxed EBSOH and norn skills (only r5 is required for the skills to work at maxiumum)--I don't think lower ranks will make the runs impossible, just harder.--Saxazax 07:22, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

CotN
Hey there everyone. I've been trying this mission (Curse of the nornbear) over and over but I keep dying. I'm a monk, having a high energy set, 20% enchantment and well runed and builded heroes. Heroes just die at start and I can run pass them. But as soon as I get to the Jotun's I die. They knock me down and easily hit a few times to kill me.

Anyone has some suggestion on how to do this?`

Xiner 14:47, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Jotuns do not use KDs unless there are two or more allies in range. This includes your two NPC allies. Make sure to kill your NPC allies or move out of range before running past any Jotun groups. There are some other things you can do:

-- Relyk 16:21, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Use alcohol to avoid any chance of KD.
 * You can replace dash with dark escape, but this makes it harder to break aggro. Keep in mind deadly paradox will remove it while recasting Shadow Form.
 * You do not need to keep SF up permanently against jotun groups, the only harmful spells are from the Necros and Shroud of Distress will cover any of that.
 * Bring Shadow Sanctuary as a panic button against Jotun Warriors and getting KDed.
 * Avoid groups as much as possible and use dash and hos to break aggro as quicckly as possible.
 * If you bring Fall back/incoming on heroes, you can have them run with you, flag them at the top of the hill at the second nornbear point if they survive to speed up the run.
 * All of that is unnecessary. Both of you, try getting r4 or r5 Deld and just using Dash to run--6 seconds of Dash. You'll break the Jotuns' aggro before they use any KD skills. Done.--Saxazax 07:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Build:Team - 3 Hero A Time for Heroes Run
Any reason why the builds are different for ATFH running, despite the fact that both use Any/A and 3 monk heros? Random Weird Guy 17:53, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the build you link is meta, and run by every runner under the sun. This hero speedbooking build is largely pointless after 7h update + we'll never be able to tell if people use it or not since when they do they won't invite pugs to join them -_-
 * TL;DR version Daggers in ATFH = meta, 3x Heroway in speedbooks is not. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  19:35, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't explain why there are different builds for the exact same run with the exact same professions. Also, I still see people looking for speedbookers. Not everyone wants to spend time getting all the heros and skills required. Random Weird Guy 20:09, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason is that I changed the Any/A ATFH build to a much better version, but didn't update the speedbook versions. If you are still speedbooking, you should use the ATFH build. Dzjudz sig.png talk 14:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with the speedbook versions, they work perfectly. They're also somewhat better because in you flag the heroes too close to the lava and they start burning, if they're saccing health or something you're going to have less time to flag them out of the lava. Keep it how it is.--Saxazax 07:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

AtC
it is nearly impossible to get through that group of charr...the video is outdated...they will! await you in the small passage and bodyblock your heroes...or just spike one...Illoyon 13:12, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ye i've problems with that too, but now i just spike the foes at that small entrance by endboss and then kill him from the right side at the wall (so you don't have to kill those eles at left corner) Lextoc 21:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If anyone can give me a good freeware program to record gw with then I can post a Against The Charr speedbook video, but I don't use the same builds as in this page tho.. :p Lextoc 18:58, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Incredibly better COTN build
[build prof=A/E sha=12+1+3 air=12][Dwarven Stability][Dash][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form][optional][optional][Blinding Flash][Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom][/build]

Optionals

 * Shroud of Distress
 * Death's Charge
 * Heart of Shadow
 * IAU

This build only works for primary assassins or elementalists. Pain Inverter is useless at nornbear, and everyone should take Blinding Flash or Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom instead--or both. Blinding Flash is amazing because: when you pop the nornbear for the third and last time, if you spam it on him before he kills you, he will use his Spirit Senses skill which removes blinding. That skill has a 75 second recharge, so when the party reses, you can permablind him, and might not even need to take a healer, just damage. If you bring a Rit with Shadowsong, 100% safety besides when he disappears & hits 300 or so. Maybe take a /healer in case someone gets spiked down when he disappears. Much, much faster & safer.--Saxazax 10:58, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, you need a healer because he has other damaging skills. I'm also realizing that other primary professions than assassin and elementalist can still use the permablind tactic if they bring, for example, Unseen Fury, and other blinding skills on their heroes:

Any/
 * --Saxazax 07:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Figured out an even better, faster build, for any profession (including warrior & paragon):

Any/
 * If you're an Assassin or Ele primary, take blinding flash over unseen fury. Optional can be anything, but Ebon Battle Standard of Honor makes the run go much faster if you have primarily melee damage. Use Shadow of Haste before you go into that big cavern where the nornbear spawns for the first time.
 * I prove this works not only on any profession, but faster and much better than the one on the front page (currently 12 jan 2013) in the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj_eQJQmJ3Y --Meaningful Name/ Plantation Farmer/ herpderphurpwhatever/ Saxazax 01:14, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Heroes
[build prof=Mo/? pro=12+1 div=12+1+3][Blessed Aura][Watchful Spirit][Succor][Spell Breaker][Protective Spirit][purifying veil][Rebirth][Reverse Hex][/build] [build prof=Mo/A hea=11+3 smi=12+1+1 pro=2+1 sha=6][Strength of Honor][Balthazar's Spirit][Mending][Healing Breeze][Vigorous Spirit][Cure Hex][Rebirth][Shadow Form][/build] [build prof=P/Rt res=12 comma=12+1+3 lea=3+1][Enduring Harmony]["Make Haste!"]["Find Their Weakness!"]["Fall Back!"]["Incoming!"][Vocal Was Sogolon][Optional][Signet of Return][/build]

1. Succor + Watchful Spirit = more health regen when burning, less death.

2. Purifying Veil = burning expires faster, less death.

3. Reses on all heroes for new players whose heroes might die when they run through the one group of charr.

4. Before running through that last group, cast Spell Breaker on one monk hench and Shadow Form on the other. This will cause less hexes and Morgahn usually never dies as his higher armor rating makes the charr not target him first.--Saxazax 11:24, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Updated Guide Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NmMSy-fb1A

I originally made this video with a very detailed narration, explaining everything, but Windows Movie Maker gave me nightmares I can't even describe. If someone wants to pay me, say, 50e, I'll reinvest the time to edit the video with slowmo sections for the more complicated parts, detailed narration, and other notes. They're extremely helpful to an inexperienced speedbooker, but I just can't invest any more hours for nothing.--Meaningful Name/ herpherpderhurherp/ Saxazax 12:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a video game. You're posting this on a dead wiki. I think you're already doing what you don't want to do. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 18:53, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Plz kill urself. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 21:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * no u--Saxazax 07:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)