Archive talk:E/Rt Shatterstone Stand Ele

i hear jakes so confident he never puts stuff into testing. strange.--Bluetapeboy 04:19, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, it is in testing? And whoru? I think I'm allowed to be confident when I'm c3, 500 fame short of r11, r8 commander. Especially when i've awful players who've failed to contribute a single playable build to the wiki and whose understanding of game mechanics is iffy at best. So just lp and stfu in the meantime keke?--TahiriVeila 04:21, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * i measnt trial tbh, and stop bitching. u react over the smallest thing. TWO ANGRY CAMELS IN A TINY CAR. i win.--Bluetapeboy 04:22, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh yeah. sorry for getting pissed when I've been contributing to this wiki and playing high-end gvg, HA, and HB for over 2 years and some random shitter who's been on wiki for less than 2 months tells me I'm bad =\--TahiriVeila 04:23, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Aren't we in a meta where teams have 2 copies of dshot+savage? Life   Guardian  04:25, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very little dual ranger being played. Most is either dom balance, DF honour or split.--TahiriVeila 04:26, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't dom balance have dshot+PB? This is kinda asking to get rupted and/or completely shut down cuz it's all water. Life   Guardian  04:27, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes you'll get pblocked on occassion. That'll happen no matter what build you play. Good positioning + the fact that this usually makes up the stand portion of a split team means you don't have to worry about ranger rupts so much. Plus that's what blurrec is for =\--TahiriVeila 04:29, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, and why shatterstone in the first place? Life   Guardian  04:31, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * by nicer than the angry camels in teh tiny car and u win.--Bluetapeboy 04:32, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * yo Blue, why are you baiting? Do you want to be banned? He'll get banned for NPA (Jake calm down holmes), and you'll be banned for being a bad troll with horrible spelling. Shut up. -- Big McStrongfist  04:34, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * :(--Bluetapeboy 04:36, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Paragons with rend mean you can't keep up MoI, this let's you strong snare while still pumping big damage.--TahiriVeila 04:37, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * no serious, keep your retarded bullshit off of the build pages. Like what you just put on the Flourish Daggers page. -- Big McStrongfist  04:43, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pewpew trident or piss people off with shackles :> Life   Guardian  05:18, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * We've been running pewpew trident as well, it's very fun. Not as big domages though--TahiriVeila 05:20, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * By that logic you should just drop attunement too. I don't see why you'd run this over MoI ele :/ --Crow 18:53, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why AoR is in variants. Sometime you're better off just taking aura over attune. And the main reason for it is that you can run this along with another caster in a maiin team in a split build, and when you get pushed back into base late game you can send this to enemy base and pump way more damage than an MoI could. Also less vulnerable to enchant strips etc.--TahiriVeila 18:56, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Shard Storm over the nerfed Winter's embrace, IMO. Also you will get anally raped if they have a dom mesmer on their team. Jonas 18:49, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shard storm is a projectile and you already have plenty of damaged, winters is still a better snare. shard storm is still in variants. As mentioned above the bom mes will not be on you the ENTIRE game as you'll usually be running this along with other casters in the midline. It's not much more vulnerable to pblock than any other caster bar.--TahiriVeila 18:54, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * its not? because last i checked, most midline bars dont have 2s casts (and when they do, they have fast casting), or they can afford to cancel, and considering everything on the bar is 10 energy, canceling isn't the best option. Gringo 19:10, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering you have glyph, glowing ice, and attune. You can afford to cancel--TahiriVeila 19:15, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * oh i forgot i missed the update where attune and glyph help you cancel. my bad Gringo 19:22, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * gringo stop being bad, his point is a valid one: with 3 energy management skills you can afford to cancel cast [[File:JonasGWWAvatar.jpg]] Jonas  03:19, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * attunement doesnt trigger on cancels, glyph DOES trigger on cancels (wasting it), and using glowing ice to manage the rest of the bar is nearly impossible, that was my point. shut the hell up. Gringo 03:38, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * You do realize that MoI bars run completely on glowing ice right? With all the enchant removal people bring in midline most of the time we don't even bother with water attunement on MoI bars and just bring AoR. If you can't manage energy on this with glowing ice + GoLE you're not doing it right--TahiriVeila 03:47, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * im a powerblock mesmer, you're a shatterstone ele. i have two chances to powerblock you, once on attunement and once on shatterstone (every 10-20 seconds). it just seems all too easy to powerblock this. im not saying its a bad bar (otherwise i would have voted already), it just seems a bit too easy to shut down for my liking. Gringo 03:52, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said, most often you're running this in either defensive spike builds (single war, 2 paras, bsurge MoI) or a split build and there are just more important things for a mes to shutdown. Yes you will get pblocked on occassion, and yes it is a big easier on the mesmers to do that, but all in all it doesn't hamper the build that much because you pump such big damage while you're NOT shutdown.--TahiriVeila 03:55, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * And as a side note, getting pblocked on attune shouldn't be that big a deal b/c you should be able to position yourself to a spot in which the mesmer is out of your range unless you're under super-heavy pressure, falling back, or pushing hard. all of which are scenarios where you shouldn't be casting attune anyway--TahiriVeila 03:57, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * so your argument is just "its easy to shut down, but it probly wont happen much". i can see where ur coming from i just dont like the fact that whenever the other team wants you to stop casting, you basically have to. Gringo 04:00, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then give it a rating based on how you feel. There doesn't seem to be any way to convince you that you're wrong since you have a pretty valid concern. So I'm not going to try to do so =\--TahiriVeila 04:12, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also you have to remember this is going to be primarily an AT build (as most play is AT now). If you're going to be playing a team that usually runs dom balanced instead of dual ranger, split, or DF honour then you're probably going to run trident/MoI/FC mes instead. Sometime's you'll end up playing a dom mes with this but you try to avoid that scenario because it's most effective WITHOUT a dom mes present--TahiriVeila 04:14, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Merge
This is the an exact copy of Archive:E/W Shatterstone Ele with like 2 skills changed. Merge it with the original: put the skills in variants, add GvG tag, add notes/usage. Etc. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava}   00:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Said build is tagged for RA and is for damage and disabling melee/rangers. This one is for slowing and spike assist for GvG.
 * ^--TahiriVeila 02:49, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Change the description to incorporate both uses. There's these cool things called asterisks "*". Use them to create neat bullet points for dividing ideas. It's like PowerPoint. Also like PowerPoint, you don't create 2 separate presentations over the same damn thing. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava}  [[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 06:46, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

can we just make a general water build? no one runs this kinda useless to have. Gringo 21:44, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could write up a similar guide to this but i think merging them all is a bad idea tbh. -- Steamy Igloo!  Steamy's Igloo.gif 22:49, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * There aren't that many elites that fit with the build, MoI/Shitterstone/Water Trident. Mirror of Ice and Shatterstone have pretty much the same overall idea, trident is different but not enough to warrent a new build (less spike assist, more general harassement). --Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 22:58, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * What do you suggest then? Guide? Merge? Or just let it carry on the way it is? -- Steamy Igloo! Steamy's Igloo.gif 23:30, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * a water bar with an open elite? complicated i know. Gringo 00:04, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm autistic and he says words with more than 1 syllable. -- Steamy Igloo! Steamy's Igloo.gif 00:12, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

I love it when saint archives :> -- Steamy .. x 23:12, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever archived it is a jackass, unarchiving...--77.97.99.230 13:26, May 29, 2010 (UTC)