Archive talk:Team - GvG Triple Warrior

Archive 1

Let's keep this away from flaming and talk about improvements to the build. That doesn't mean shit about Infuse being the most amazing skill in Guild Wars. It's in variants anyway. --Tab  Moo  08:45, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Play 2 hammers, its kewl. Railin 08:59, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, did you want opinions on which is the best when there's a choice of builds for the slots or do you want to leave it pretty generic? - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  09:00, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Not that I know alot about GvG, but isn't Foul Feast/Plague Signet and RC somewhat overkill?James Blood 09:05, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * RC isn't really needed, but it's still probably the best option.
 * As for the optionals, it's intended to be pretty generic, I'm just looking for any oversights etc. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  09:07, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm going to expand on the RC section now btw. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  09:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * In that case it looks pretty fucking mean. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  09:11, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You cant delete the contribs, no Infuse is bad. -- Super Igor  09:27, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Archiving != deleting. Infuse is in variants, meaning if someone feels that strongly about having Infuse, nothing is stopping them. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  09:28, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Since you're the only one who wants to put infuse in, Igor, it has to stay in variants at best. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  09:30, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You are not counted anyway as you repeat other's words without understanding their meanings, also, ever GvG team here has infuse, majority of GW players know how to use Infuse better than Aura and think it is better. -- Super Igor  09:34, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Stfu and stop trolling faggot. Rawr  awr  09:36, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * The goal of making a build isn't to cater to the majority of bad players - IWAY is for that. It's to make a build that will be more effective at it's job than others when played correctly. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  09:38, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Why post a build that only imited ammount of public can use on here? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  09:41, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Because the main goal of competetive GvG is to improve as a player. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  09:43, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * How cant you understand that a player with not enough expirience will not reallize why Infuse isnt there, it will confuse the player, thats all. So if you are not using it in you build explain why. Imo, make the slot a Optional and give suggestions to it. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  09:49, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * The build performs optimally without Infuse. Infuse is in variants for if the player feels it is needed. I'm failing to see the problem. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  09:51, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * The build will perform as optimally without Aura of Stability. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  09:59, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Have you run it regularly, at a competitive level? There is a point where theorycrafting fails. Lord of all tyria 10:00, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Basically, this build is sacrificing midline defence for incresed offensive capability. The number one reason that teams wipe without midline defence isn't spikes - they have ways of getting around that, but KD trains on the monks. When you don't have support from a para / bsurge / trident ele, a hammer war on one monk and an axe on the other can mess you up pretty badly. That's why you need Stability. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:02, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * But what if the just swap their targets? Hammer goes on WoH and Axe goes on RC? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:07, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * It's the same outcome - my point was that one monk is getting KD chained while the other is being spiked. With Stability, the first monk can prot the second. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:09, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Enchantment removal? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Generic counter to anything you say? Rawr  awr  10:14, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Skill beats skill. Welcome to Build Wars. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:14, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No I mean if Aura of Stability gets removed? You are screwed for atleast 12 seconds, and what if you are up against a blood spike? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:17, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes, skill beats skill. You can get around Infuse by Shaming the Infuser as you spike. Bspike is nerfed and is a joke to beat now. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:17, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * SCOURGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEALLLLLLLLINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Rawr  awr  10:18, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Hm, Is bloodspike completely nerfed now? Skill Wars =/= Build Wars, in Build wars you win with a build, no? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:24, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Build Wars means countering a build or part of a build with a build or part of a build. Countering defensive tactics based on enchantments with enchantment removal would count as build wars. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:27, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * But removing right enchants at right time is skill wars, no? :) --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No. That's Luck Wars.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 10:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * WHAT? GOOD MESMERS CAN OUTPLAY NOT AS GOOD MONKS TO CAUSE KILLS? WHO'D HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT? --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:36, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

you
shouldnt run sb or ps they can be countered by ench removal. instead u shud run heal other and orison. Rawr awr  10:39, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Shouldn't run warriors either. They're countered by blind. Lord of all tyria 10:42, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * yeye. Rawr  awr

10:44, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Hm, generic argument to everything huh? You should be less of a theorycrafter Rawr. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:45, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Says the guy ignoring the experience of people who run this build. Lord of all tyria 10:46, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Too bad I'm not theorycrafting. Rawr  awr  10:48, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Untill these people can prove to me that they are expirinced I will ignore their every mention about it, just saying that you are expirienced doesnt prove that you really are so. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:51, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I think the very good arguments on your page posted by Tab that you somehow have failed to reply to shows he has more experience than you. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  10:52, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I will prove it by fucking kicking your ass in gvg. Accept my fucking challenge. Rawr  awr  10:54, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Arguments? Ah, wasnt even planning to reply them as he has already eaxplained why AoS is used on this talk page and wasted his time writing it on my talk. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  10:56, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

how about u 1v1 cause dat needs sum super skills!  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  11:04, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No, doesnt prove you being more skilled to be honest, wunna go 1v1 or what? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  11:06, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I was joking. Jeeeeezzzzz! And no, I don't wanna 1v1.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:07, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * How can you joke if you are a srs bsns? --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  11:15, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Hey
Would Cripslash be any good?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  11:10, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Cripslash could work as a third war, but Dslash is generally better. It depends whether you want DW spam or something to train the RC. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * ic ic.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:14, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Why cleave then? I herd it wuz bashed. --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  11:16, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Pressure. &mdash;  Ska K  id  11:17, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * O'Rly? How come its better than D-Slash spam? Oo --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  11:20, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Harder to shut down. Cleave is spamming big hits, Dslash is spamming Sever-Gash. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:21, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * But with FGJ you can also spam Dslash...  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:22, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * As I said, it's easy to shutdown Dslash. One Guardian means you have to build up 10 adrenaline again. It's pretty risky to Dslash spam someone in GvG. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:23, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah...okay.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:24, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * (ec)20/45. Also, Cleave is more on-demand with the pressure, since it's got spammable Deep Wound and big damage. If they block your Dslash/blind your Dslash/ect. then you lose a lot of pressure since you have to build up 10 adrenaline again. &mdash;  Ska K  id  11:25, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You know, that's what Tab just said.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:25, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * cba to read when I already typed it out. &mdash;  Ska K  id  11:26, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Skakid - strong AND brave. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:26, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * :D  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 11:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Gay :p --<font color="Black"> Super Igor  11:38, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Coward Steelfang
Will a Coward SF War be viable as the third war? Or is relying on SF to recharge adrenaline too risky in GvG, along with the fact that Aura of Stability laughs at Coward?

Mesmer
Could a mesmer replace the necro or a ranger?
 * Tainted mes can replace the nex if you want. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:15, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Taint mesmer is bad. You want yourself to get diseased, because you have draw spam anyway; and it spreads around the opponents more easier then too.  —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  05:52, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
 * And another reason; inspired enchantment. The mesmer will taint his team up, which will just be a waste. Same for mirror. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  05:53, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
 * He's gonna spend 40e putting up a 10s taint? o ok &mdash;  Ska K  id  16:51, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * 20 second taint, and you really only have to taint a few to kill the disease. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush 15:51, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Pensive Guardian
Seems to be a fairly effective counter(to most builds) in todays meta. Everything runs enchants, what with SoH, Conjures, Way of the Master, etc.  22:21, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Still; you're not bother to take in non-AT. The difference between pensive and guardian isn't big, but it is against non-enchanted foes. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:52, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Nerfs
Splinter, Arage and DPS are still ok, I'll wait and see whether Enfeeble is still viable before changing/archiving. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:37, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Enfeeble still is; your opposing team also generally runs weakness(plague sending lol). —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:52, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
 * See FGJ nerf as well. Sure, it can still be effective, just no more back-to-back DSlash.Drake 15:39, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Current Meta :/
Dual Aegis and Dual Ineptitude and Smite monk Archive or? I dont really think 3x Warrior's is effective almost at all in current meta ./ Massive   06:19, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Monk Bars !?
Monk Bars; No Infuse, SB on the WoH, AoS on the WoH, No Patient Spirit or RC / Wheres the healing oO - Tbh TERRIBLE Monk Bars also quite meh in current Meta, Id run Smiter and Crippshot not the Plague Sending (used mostly when ran vs 3x WS..) Also Cripple on Demand / Interrupter for Aegis and Smiter / VoD pwange and cleaning the Frontline is pretty awesøme ! Massive  02:47, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

This needs to be archived. Many of the builds are outdated. Also, the triple frontline idea doesn't work too well in the current meta, especially when you can take advantage of OP hexes. Disciple 11:46, 25 January 2009 (EST)

is it just me or
is this build really outdated? lacks any of the fuck-you-up hexes like MoI, uses cripshot, no PRage, has an SoD monk, etc etc -- <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">17:54, 28 January 2009 
 * Mm just came onto this to say that. I'll update in a bit, theres a few trip wars flying around tho. Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:17, 30 January 2009 (EST)