Build talk:R/N HM Stygian Veil Trapper

Apparently needs more than r8 ebon and r6 lightbringer -_-  Chieftain   Alex  01:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What's your IGN alex?  RąʂKɭɘş Mission control out. 02:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm unable to test lower ranks than my Ranger @R9 Ebon and R7 Lightbringer, but I did try a lot of tests(dozens) to break the build. No LB at all didn't work, but I dropped out Winnowing, so R3 Vanguard and up should suffice. The build will also not work unless all of the traps are increased in damage by EBSoH. I'll try to record a video, but I have video driver issues. I was concerned this build would require a demonstration. MisterB 06:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So I looked at your rating, and 1-3 of the Brutes or Horrors in wave 2 occasionally survive. If that's what you encountered, occasional survivors are expected. Fortunately, any survivors should be blind and crippled. I originally included EoE to bomb survivors, but I found that EoE was just slaughtered every time before any foes were killed. MisterB 07:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah quickly noticed that the spirits got hammered. whats your technique for pulling all three mobs at once? (Just apply MoP on the middle of the mob and they all run at you.. ) [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  12:43, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I pull by queuing MoP on the nearest target, and then spin my camera to face me as I am running forward to cast. Once the spell is cast, I run immediately behind my spirits and next to the wall to cast EBSoH. I then spin the camera behind me facing the group, or I'll do a 180 turn to force the camera.


 * I kite often while the traps are exploding, and I'll even run straight into the middle of the group sometimes. I didn't know how to describe the kiting I do since it's variable, and some players might screw up badly and die if it's unclear what to do from the description. Movement during the traps is important when mobs target you for whatever reason, first because they'll kill you quickly, and second, because you can get them to chase you back into the trap AoE so they die.


 * TL;DR: I managed to upload a video to YouTube which I'll include in the article that shows one complete run with both waves defeated. Skip to 2:58 for pulling wave 1, and 5:38 for pulling wave 2. MisterB 22:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, very useful in terms of hero flags and exactly how far from the hungers you are trapping. I'll try again once I get my lightbringer up a bit. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  22:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * @ rask, my ign is "Chieftain Alex" wierdly. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  19:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Why Hard Mode? More gems? Ash 07:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * More golds.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  Mission control out.  08:33, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there an alternate to ebon if you dont have eotn?
 * Yeah, it's called normal mode.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  Mission control out.  04:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm LBr8; I just tried this WITHOUT ebon on HM(threw in a 3rd spirit for kicks) and all but 1 died (he had like 5% health). I'm sure there is a way.  I'll see what I can do.
 * Btw, does HM affect the drop rate of styg gems?
 * Please sign your comments with four tildes(~) so we can see who we're talking to. Also HM does increase gem drops. Slightly.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  Mission control out.  05:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay sorry. Thank you. By slightly do you mean like 1% or like 10%. Is there a document on that? 173.57.75.51 05:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure on documentation but it's like 2-4% by my guess.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  Mission control out.  07:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To answer the question above, there is an alternative to EBSoH if you lack EotN. Please see next section below. I don't know what you'd slot in for EBSoH if you lack EotN. I tried Barbed Trap, but there's not enough energy for more than one, and one Barb is pretty useless. It did work, though. I had to tag the hexed target once or twice with my bow for additional MoP triggers. I have a video of those pulls I could upload. MisterB 07:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Edge of Extinction Hero
[build prof=R/Mo name="EoE Resurrection Hero" pro=3 bea=12+1+3 exp=12+1][Edge of Extinction][Unyielding Aura][Rebirth][Optional][Optional][Optional][Optional][Optional][/build]

Based on feedback, I think this should be included for those who are either low in Lightbringer or Ebon rank, lack EotN, or lack experience. It makes things easier overall, and sets off a chain reaction that kills survivors.

I have tested with either no Lightbringer effect or no EBSoH, and it worked without the ward. Without LB, I killed the 1st wave, but wave 2 resulted in my death as well as theirs, and I only succeeded in killing wave 2 once.

I'll edit after dinner later to include details, use, screenshots, etc. I'm also currently recording more video to edit together to demonstrate the build with the hero, but it's fairly straightforward. The only equipment the hero really needs is the Beastmastery rune. The reason for both Rebirth and UA is Rebirth has slightly longer range. MisterB 07:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Same range, heroes are just dumb about it, so I can see why you'd bring both.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  01:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I ended up dropping Rebirth from the article. The attributes are a bit silly; Expertise isn't needed at all. New video with the hero will be uploaded in a few hours hopefully. MisterB 02:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I endorse this build. Just did it with the EoE hero; i am r8 LB and i dont even have eotn. Instead I use a 3rd spirit and it STILL works every time and I get all the drops b/c I flag the hero away. Amazing 173.57.94.116 03:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Author's Vote
In the case of area-specific farming builds, you don't need to subtract uni for lack of ability to farm outside areas (because why would you want to - there's a general Spike Trapper already). Just thought you should be aware. -- Toraen   confer  22:44, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wasn't sure about that since universality mentions other areas, and I wanted to make sure vote was as objective as possible. Good to know. MisterB 23:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically uni on area specific builds should refer to the likelihood of unexpected situations (like aggro breaking off spirits, for example) and how the build deals with it. I don't really like our rate categories and their definitions that much, but we're stuck with them unless we want to wipe all votes (again). -- Toraen   confer  00:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've changed the comment, but not the rating. There's enough random chance(AI) in wave 2 or unknowns(minimum Lightbringer rank unknown) to reduce it from a 5. On the plus side, all the testing resulted in almost 50 gems and over 100K, so hurray! MisterB 03:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Updated Video?
Here is another case where I have an updated video with the same or very similar tactics. Don't want to replace unless others agree. Mozo (talk) 03:03, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The current one has the advantage of ingame sounds, but with such a long farm your speedup (and the on-screen explanations) are advantageous. Also yours has much better visual quality. I guess yours would be an improvement. Any other opinions? --Krschkr (talk) 23:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)