Archive talk:Team - Signet of Toxic Shock Spike

Discussion
GANK held at least 14 times with this (started counting when I logged on, they had been holding before then), only losing when ANet's huge lagspike hit and everybody disconnected. They beat every POS meta build around, from thumpers and hexers ("heroway") to the new IWAY (fearme wars and paragons). - Auron 09:19, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Entangling Asp seems like a subpar source of poison, since it means you have to time your spike so that the dancing from the caller hits a good bit earlier than anyone else's. Looks like both a very interesting and a strong build. I ran a somewhat similar build a few months ago with a friend's guild. We only had 3 sins, a necro with toxic chill, and I'm unsure what else, though. This build's spike seems strong, and hard to prot too. Looks as though it should be able to get kills on unprotted targets without even using Toxic Shock, which coincidentally is the only thing that'll be affected by PS or SB. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 09:30, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * There aren't many better options for applying poison on an Assacaster, anyways, and the knockdown is very handy. As a big Assacaster fan myself, I'm glad to see they've finally entered the metagame. - Vermain 17:05, 19 August 2007 (CEST)

got a lot of fame with this one, it's very brainless and easy to use. great build. &mdash; Skakid9090 09:32, 19 August 2007 (CEST)

Name
Maybe HA Deadly Arts Spike or something, Assacasters just sounds... random. Tycn 14:47, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Archive:A/Me Energy Drain Assacaster :P - Auron 15:45, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Kill Orison plx. It is bugging the hell out of me. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 21:45, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * The lack of Prot Spirit is also annoying. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 21:50, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Luckily, it has SB. Otherwise, I would be pissed :P. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 21:58, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Arcane Mimicry SB is the most hax achievable in this game, short of running a protless korean monk bar. I wonder why nobody thought of it like... eight months ago o.O - Auron 02:37, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Why Orison? There are better self-heals, other-heals, utility skills etc so why have it? - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   03:05, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Like what? The build has no prot, and Orison is pretty much the best choice with what's left. - Auron 03:31, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * What about an 11/10/8/6 attribute split before runes and get some? PS, RoF? Dwayna's Touch would be the better self-heal with such high DF, but I'd think some prot would be better than that. Unless this is going for a protless-hax-thing...? - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   03:37, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Dwayna's Touch has no utility outside self-heal, and LoD does that already - without wasting points in another attribute. As much as I don't like Orison when there are better choices, there simply aren't in this case. - Auron 03:43, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Why not the prot I said I'd prefer? You lose 1 second of SB for PS or RoF, both of which would be more useful than Orison. Guess it's ultimately up to [GANK] (saw them wins Halls a few times tonight). - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   06:20, 20 August 2007 (CEST)

(reset indent) WoC maybe? the SB would have to not draw though–Ichigo724 06:21, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * WoC is worse than orison :/ - Auron 07:26, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You lie. –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 23:15, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * With all the Draw and RC here, WoC would be pretty mediocre. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   23:50, 20 August 2007 (CEST)

I saw [GANK] win halls quite a bit last night. Great build. The Paintballer (T/C) 23:09, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You act as if GANK winning Halls is something new entirely...tbh it isn't :/ . Also, kill Orison and replace it with something good. Atm, it is just Channel Fodder, and that iz r gay. Replace for RoF. Even at zero, it is better (rlly, I am being serious). If you seriously need Orison with LoD, u r a sad Monk :(. Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 06:30, 21 August 2007 (CEST)
 * There is nothing better than Orison of Healing in that bar for this build. I've thought about it in detail and sifted through every commonly used monk skill. The bar has healing and divine only, and this is required to keep spellbreaker on for as long as possible; speccing into prot will only lessen Healing Prayers, which is dumb because this is LoD. And given that no other Healing Prayers skills are as good as Orison (all the good ones are already taken in the bar), Orison is the best choice. Comprende? - Auron 11:10, 22 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Optional is better imo. Also, 2-3 in prot for RoF is equal to or greater than Orison. Deny all you would like, but that is fact. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 00:30, 24 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Right, but you continue to ignore how stupid it is to sacrifice healing on an lod bar. The point of this isn't to prot, it's to heal powerfully and to chain spellbreaker. If you can't see that, don't comment on the build or "better skills" for it. - Auron 23:57, 24 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Err, at the current ats, you will be losing minimal, if any points in Healing Prayers/Divine Favor. RoF is god mode. Ask any good monk. Even at so few Prot Prayers, it is better then Orison. Some Monks Auron, cannot even Monk without it. IT is that good, it is that much of a staple. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 00:08, 25 August 2007 (CEST)
 * If this was a two monk backline, you'd be right. Since this is a three-monk backline specifically designed to keep this build alive and keep winning halls, you aren't. GANK doesn't run RoF on this monk, and they're the r10-12 team; not us. If it was really so good, wouldn't they be running it? - Auron 00:34, 25 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Speak for yourself.   ANY good LoD monk will be using RoF these days, regardless of whether it's a 2 or 3 monk backline.   Orison is what players who don't know any better use.   RoF's effect are far superior; you're not only healing, you're negating that amount of damage.    Recon 11:54, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
 * The Monks are using Channeling, and possibly staffs, so anything is possible :P. <font color="Black">Readem  (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 00:55, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

I like this....haven't seen it working, but it looks good. Good to see....Assassins entering the metagame, Spell Breaker being used for a reason other than farming...this looks good to me. I'll admit it though, the name isn't brilliant. Can't think of something for suitable...but they changed R/P Pack Hunter to R/P Hero Battle Ranger or something, which is dumb, and they changed Team - HB Balanced to Team - HB Conditionway. Which is also dumb. That's enough ranting for now. --RustyTheMesmer 08:19, 23 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Em, Assassins have been involved in the meta since Factions. Mostly as gankers, occasionally as frontliners. SB has been around since before even that, used for the same purpose it is here. I'll go take care of that packhunter problem. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   08:21, 23 August 2007 (CEST)

Caller
The few times i've run this i run a different build when i call, focusing on more spirit control against the hexway/iway/heroways going around. looked kinda like this.

spirit shadowstep every 4 seconds, uber spirit control and minor healing for the party.&mdash; Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 22:51, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Doesn't do enough for HoH. And ultimately, that's where you get the good fame. - Auron 07:27, 20 August 2007 (CEST)

Signet of Twilight
There are a good amount of long lasting hexes in this team, good for countering spellbreaker which can annoy the heck out of this team, possible to mention as a variant at least? Wyvern 23:25, 19 August 2007 (CEST)

What Borat Names it
He calls it Signet of Toxic Shock Spike, incase anyone wanted to know the real build name (Borat is the creator of build)
 * Unless he created it in May or before, I think I know people who are arguably more likely the creators of the build, although this build is a bit different(ours had 3 sins, a toxic chill necro, and some other stuff I don't remember, but the spike was mostly the sins and necro). Also, that name seems a bit inaccurate to me, since dd alone is a pretty strong spike, although armor-affected. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 22:14, 7 September 2007 (CEST)
 * <Agrees that dd does alot of damage, but ultimately its Signet of TS that kills, well, the Idea may not have been created by borat, but this version of the spike WAS made by him.

Enchant Removal
I would think it needs more than just rend enchantments for enchant removal, because spirit bond and protective spirit would mess up this spike.  Lumpen α Ω ∞  18:47, 22 September 2007 (CEST)
 * No, it wouldn't. Toxic's the only thing that's affected by PS or SB in the entire build. You will quite often be able to get a kill with just DD and augury. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 19:40, 22 September 2007 (CEST)

Same As Sinway
Hmm this is almost exactly the same as Sinway, was this an intentional move or just a copy of it ?? If it was an extra copy, why was it made???

Someone Please Answer =)

Experienced 03:15, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * It is nothing like it. — Skakid9090 03:25, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I lol'd.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 06:07, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * his name doesnt suit him.[[Image:Darksig.JPG]] 15:00, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

Poisoned Heart
Ownz. Tycn 14:46, 11 October 2007 (CEST)
 * This build is effing l33t, I watched [ego] [oba], and several other r6+ and r9+ teams fall to this build, it held at least 15 times...[[Image:Devinanger.jpg|19px]]<font color="Orange">Devintomb1 <font color="Green">+talk  16:35, 29 November 2007 (CET)

hi
should i update this with the version borat ran? not many play it, but its a good buid. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 02:37, January 27, 2010 (UTC)