Archive talk:Rt/A WoR Flag Runner

Discuss. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 05:49, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

I like, random commas. Punjab 06:01, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

no ur face. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 06:02, 15 September 2007 (CEST)
 * But srsly, looks ok. [[Image:Frenzy.jpg|50x19px]]Punjab 06:06, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

Similar to this, no? Why not just update that one and bypass the vetting process? - Krowman    06:59, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

Beyond bad. This one is already done. Just vote, and gogogo. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 07:02, 15 September 2007 (CEST)
 * warmonger>ancestor --79.18.161.190 22:42, 15 September 2007 (CEST)

I don't know why Resilient Was Xiko is on that bar, I've never seen it run and can't imagine why anyone ever would. Attributes should be 14/14 Resto and Channeling. -Ensign 02:21, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

RA and TA tags? I swapped Splinter wep for Nightmare wep and it worked great... Kumpeet  talk | contribs  10:36, 5 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Lol. Nightmare weapon is bad, and using runners in Ra is even worse... - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  16:27, 16 February 2008 (EST)

needs moar healing imho, instead of weapon of shadow maybe. Grobie 20:12, 20 November 2007 (CET)
 * No, it doesnt. It should be changed to /D with /A as variant though, as thats alot more commonly run. - Rawrawr  17:49, 3 December 2007 (CET)
 * Tbh get kaolai in, tis is fish who cba 2 login bcause alex is fat. 83.226.121.143 23:28, 4 December 2007 (CET)
 * Go fuck yourself dickface fish. - Rawrawr  23:31, 4 December 2007 (CET)
 * Ensign runs /A version for dR. gogogo savage. 209.189.130.127 23:15, 5 December 2007 (CET)

Why do you have 3+1 Spawning Power? Durations in Guild Wars round. Having 3 Spawning Power gets you an extra second of duration on Weapon of Warding already. 4 Spawning does nothing. Run a +10 health rune there instead. Also, for variants, Siphon Speed can be great on the right map. Zuranthium 03:21, 4 February 2008 (EST)

AB tag maybe? I just run vengeful weapon instead of the item spell and it works incredibly well. The speed boosts are always good in AB. The build can easily fill the role of a monk in the party because sustained healing shouldn't be as important as just getting you through from one skirmish to the next. And the ability to actually add some damage makes it a bit more versatile than a straight heal/prot monk. In my experience anyway. Supa tim 00:31, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Smoke Powder Defense
What about this as a variant for Dark Escape. I realize blind is rampant in GvG but just a thought vs say weapon of shadow as then you can keep Warding up plus use Powder. (Mr Pink57 20:12, 3 April 2008 (EDT))
 * DEscape cuts dmg in half.  20:24, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

So Does Smoke Powder Defense.... (Mr Pink57 14:31, 5 April 2008 (EDT))
 * For one hit. Lord of all tyria 14:32, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Smoke powder is good against sin spikes in HB, sincei t's blind and no damage, but in GvG people actually run elemental damage, too. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  10:49, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Variants
Seeing a lot of top rits taking Recuperation over Dark Escape. Do not know how to properly add this sorry. (Mr Pink57 00:29, 11 April 2008 (EDT)) Whats the story on replacing Dash with Storm Djinn Haste? At 0 spec its 10sec so it would be constant. (Mr Pink57 20:08, 27 May 2008 (EDT))

Ancestor's Rage: Should it get replaced?
Ancestor's Rage got nerfed, and the change is ingame now. Its up to a 1 second cast time. You guys think this is enough to warrant a variant to take its place, or should it stay? I've run this build and I honestly don't think it should, but I just wanted to get a few more opinions. Gogey 19:37, 17 April 2008 (EDT)


 * update is only temporary, it will only be in place for the next 2 weeks.24.47.18.113 11:06, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Even with the 3th nerf it's still freaking good. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:47, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Fuck
fuck dark escape, even though it is brave reocup is alot more ussual now.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  09:33, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah, runners nearly never get spiked... In any case, a well timed WoR can save you anyways.  09:56, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Not really, runners do get spiked but then he is maintaining WoW on himself and should have aura and if get spiked heavy prots, should never die of spike. Reocupation is just strong to take as party heal.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  02:25, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Depends on map. On like, druids, recurp is near-useless. On like, warriors, weeping stone; it ownsssssssssssssssssssssss. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  14:22, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

A-rage and splinter are officially dead
Splinter's 30 damage at 14 channeling, and a-rage is just buttfucked. Time for an archive? Me thinks WoH flaggers are better now that the channeling part of the rit flagger is useless.--Goldenstar 19:09, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Arage still accomplishes what it's mainly used for; pressure. God  box    19:11, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Erm, a-rage has seen far less use as a pressure skill than as a spike skill. It was always for delivering a timed pocket of damage. And anyway, with splinter as mediocre as it is now, is there really any point in running a rit flagger simply for a gimped version of a-rage?--Goldenstar 19:13, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Unless you can find a good, quick pressure skill and a great physical damage dealer buff, no. I like to flag, im sad :[ Gogey 20:16, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Rit runners are still worth it tbh, since they are flexible(have partyhealing, can split, can defend base alone, still blows up vod in a certain way). It's just that you can actually concider other types of flaggers; you don't have to run rits anymore to win. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  19:48, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Common Miscalculation?
I'm certain 20% + 20% != 40% HSR since the trigger is sequential. On skill act you have a 20% for the HSR to trigger once, then another 20% right after. So that's a 36% HSR and 4% QSR (1/4). "20% HSR Wand and 20% HSR Offhand _________ Set" would be more accurate. Hollow 18:44, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
 * 40/40 set is common lingo &mdash;  Skakid  18:46, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Xinrae's Weapon
So with the new awesome buff to Xinrae's this runner could really shine on spikes.(75.134.131.172 17:07, 8 August 2008 (EDT))

Archive
Due to Caretakers flaggers and Xinrae's weapon? 20:55, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Or at the least, it needs an update - Splinter and ARage are shit now.  21:04, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

A-rage
Leaving it optional for either Recup or Soothing Etc..:) Massive   13:19, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Resilient Weapon
Vs current hexgay meta. Discuss. 17:06, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * WoW nerf. Discuss.--Relyk 00:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not that bad. Just use Resilient.  Or *gasp* WoR.  But why are there no votes?  Strange... [[Image:Benjammn311Sig5.png]] 02:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

wat
A Rt runner without a sin elite? (Kiron 00:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC))
 * You're a funny man, sir. [[Image:Benjammn311Sig5.png]] 00:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * wasn't this in the meta before HC's buff...why are we even debating if it's good...-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Meta before HC buff =/= current meta by a long way. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 00:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I could write a song about the imbaness of previous MOI runners. (Kiron 00:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC))
 * Why isnt this good in current meta?--Relyk 00:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because WoR has never been good, it was just run b/c there was nothing else worth running for an elite. Then there was CC, HC, and MoI, which were disgustingly better so no one ran this trash anymore--Goldenstar 01:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you need to uninstall your game goldenstar. WoR = kickass offensive defense.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 16:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * lol [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 17:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * what, something wrong with what was stated above by me? please point it out.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're telling someone who is obviously better (and a BM) better than you to uninstall. Goldenstar knows what he is talking about. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 17:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Untargeted damage is pretty useless, you need to remove warding from yourself in order to remove a condition from yourself, which never ends well. iRegurgitateMitch. Lord of all tyria 17:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually WoR and VW are targeted damage in the same respect that Reversal of Damage is. The only difference of the two being that you are guaranteed a solid packet of "damage" with WoR and VW. Simply put, you will have someone attacking you, making it targeted damage towards your attacker. If you dont, good, less pressure on your team and you can use your energy elsewhere.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more "good" Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Being a BM doesn't make him auto-good, the game doesn't just change to become what he says it is. TBH he probably doesn't play anyway. WoR is fine, it's good healing and fast-recharing condition removal to boot, the assassin skills were just better. 82.20.43.33 16:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You gotta love the 12 resto and chan spec. ^_^ [[Image:Jebus.JPG|66px]] 02:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Frosty don't vouch for someone better than you :<--Relyk 02:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I present the MOI imba song (emo poem format)
 * Step one: target an enemy
 * Step two: use MOI
 * Step three: ???
 * Step four: profit
 * (Kiron 05:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC))
 * Step Five: realize you have just disabled your own bar and are now useless to your team because you aren't an assassin and you're using MOI.
 * -- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more "good" Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 06:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

ITT: Ikimono looking retarded Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Last time i checked MOI disabled non-assassin skills. Was it not updated in the private server that you cracked and uploaded it onto?-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 01:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * wasn't WoR just for ganking? If i said that right &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 16:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure its because every other rit elite was bad, and WoR was a condi removal. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just remember seeing a couple of WoR gank bars as they can steal health from NPC's and assist in killing gankers. And i know that point rawr. &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 16:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actual wor gank flaggers were ran way before this, until people realised this was way better ;p Link to that bar somewhere on this page. Different build. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * iirc WoR gankers were in between people stopping using LoD flaggers for the first time and SoR flags being invented ;o [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 16:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ppl not readign into the sarcasm/outdatedness of my poem for the lose... (Kiron 00:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC))

BUMP
BUMP

Imo
Put it back to the archive, no worth unarchiving it to be in good or other, it is pretty bad compared to the new runners (/Me. /P. /W or CC) <font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 16:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * /me is bad. With any illusion elite. &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 18:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Better than WoR tbh [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 18:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Touche. But they still suck balls &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 18:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They are actually not that bad, anti-cripple is fairly decent, too bad illusion is only blessed with 1 halfway decent elite to go with it. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 18:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Its dshottable IMS for splits and you know the rest. and all of the elites are pretty bad tbh. so bad you might as well use WoR with illusion of haste &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 18:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Distortion says hi. 128.255.216.144 17:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)