Talk:PvX wiki/Archive 6

Template codes...
The template codes are way messed up when you d/l the template. Half of all my build that I d/led from here have invaled template codes... Wtf is going on? Most of those builds have de attributes right (unlike to some that I've seen), but they're still fucked... &mdash; eX tinctioN (Talk /Contributions ) 21:38, 7 December 2007 (CET)

Also, I know too that the Template codes are messed up. But i don't understand the whole save thing next to them. You click it, save it, go get, copy it, paste it, print it? Too much Work. Why not just have a button that automaticaly prints it. It would be much more convinient. And correct me if i'm wrong. I don't understand the thing.--‎ F r  T c  15:19, 8 December 2007 (CET)


 * Why would you want to print it? I save them and add in my builds folder in the GW folder. [[image:User_Godliest_Icon_ritualist.jpg|19px]] GΩdlﺄεﻯt -_-  16:16, 8 December 2007 (CET)


 * If you're running windows, just save them in the C:\Program Files\Guild Wars\Templates\Skills folder. --[[Image:Wizardboy777_Sig.jpg|19px]]Wizardboy777 (T/C/Sysop) 01:55, 9 December 2007 (CET)


 * Not Vista. :/ -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]]  07:15, 9 December 2007 (CET)


 * If you're running windows, just save them in the C:\Program Files\Guild Wars\Templates\Skills folder. Well, that's the point: Half of those templates are fucked and have messed up codes. Then you need to go back to the website, look up that build you saved and copy the attributes and skills manually. Why bother d/ling them if half of them have messed up templates anyway? &mdash; eX tinctioN (Talk /Contributions ) 11:22, 9 December 2007 (CET)
 * Some examples would help us fix them, no? --Edru viransu //QQ about me /sysop 15:24, 9 December 2007 (CET)

I just copy and paste them from the box. I haven't had a problem with them doing that. Ctrl+C and then Ctrl+V them into the template code window on GW. Bluemilkman /Talk To Me 03:52, 11 December 2007 (CET)

Guides
Perhaps make the link to guides more prominent?, it doesn;t seem like much is happening in the guide section, so perhaps making it more visable so more people are aware about it will help? thoughts? PheNaxKian (T /c) 21:49, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Wait for the new page design. Then maybe. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  22:14, 11 December 2007 (CET)

New Page
I like. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 00:46, 12 December 2007 (CET)

I hope it's just me, but it's taking a whole lot longer to PvXwiki pages. I've checked: it seems to be a problem exclusive to this site.  Shen (contribs) 00:53, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Ohhhh Yeah, LOOONG time. Also, me no likey new page.  Too much going on.  IMO, spread out stuff is better.  But you shouldnt listen to me, Im always on the wrong side of everyhting. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  01:08, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Yeah, the build areas seem way too busy, the bottom section and news parts are fine thoughUnder Gunned 01:35, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * I don't like it to much stuff on the front page. They over did it with all the little gifs. The boxes are to long imo... the gridded format looked better. You can't click on testing/all it leads to a picture... Is it just me or are the two of the same buildes on featured? Lastly it seems to take alot longer to load User:Shureshot
 * PvX loads A LOT slower now. Misfate  02:43, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * (Edit conflict) Agree with above. theres something wrong. its taking me more than 2 minuites to load a page, compared to less than 10 seconds before. im in 7megabit down, 1 megabit up. broadcasting from Western Canada. its SO bad that i want to go make a coffee while i wait for the site to load. i do like that my favorite mouse company is sponsering the site (my Habu mouse = FTW) but check your code, cause its slow as molasses in january. -68.146.198.244-

It takes at least 2 minutes to load a single page, and it looks like shit tbh, sorry.--Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 02:55, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Same here. And the page layout seems too busy and crammed. And on my res (1280 x 1024) section lines are like broken and overlapping. --Hawk Skeer 04:48, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Avoid using Editing PvX for now GCard says. Let servers Cache up. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 03:01, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Server are slow since I rebooted it and Squid needs time to fill up the cache. When it comes to the new design of the main page - think you are smart and have better idea - as usual on any part of the wiki - you are free to suggest a better solution. Use the link at the bottom. For now enjoy :) And yes I know there is bugs, but if I fix(edit) now server will just die. And yes we are getting new server, in a week or two. gcardinal 03:16, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Hottest thing since sliced bread. —ǥrɩɳsɧ ƿoɲ  03:25, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Everything is good, but the only thing i don't like is the color of the PvE section. Since its the same color as the rating given for the "bad builds" it makes it seem like when going into the PvE section, all you would be expecting is bad builds. Huynh 03:57, 12 December 2007 (CET)


 * Money doesn't grow on trees. If you didn't want this to happen, you should have donated when you had the chance. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  04:02, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * That didn't make sense to me... anyway... the pvp builds are the same color as trash builds. I'm pretty sure PvE got the lucky side of the coin there, no? --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 04:27, 12 December 2007 (CET)


 * Midnight08 here - too lazy to login=P anyway - the page is broken somewhat on ie7 1024/768 resolution. pat of the right side is cut off and sections that are close are overlapping... Its still enuf to get the job done, but sorta ugly and broken atm. --76.111.173.68 04:37, 12 December 2007 (CET)


 * To clarify that, the PvP builds box is overlapping with the PvE builds box, and it looks weird. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 04:50, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * screenshot <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 04:54, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Same issue on 1440x900. -68.146.198.244-

I like it. But I have to get used to testing builds not to be on the left anymore. :| <font color="#033361">Railin  06:13, 12 December 2007 (CET)

It annoys me. The small gifs clutter the main page; very distracting and useless. The old layout for the builds was fine, this is just annoying. - <font color="#000080">(snō hwīt tăn)  [sic]  <font color="#000080"> [găl'ə-rē]  06:24, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * I have to agree, I don't like, looks really bad imo. not experiencing very much lag though. &mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 06:34, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Neither do I like it.. too crowded, less images please. Also the right border of PvP section is messed up in IE7. [[Image:User_Ckow_Sig.PNG|20px]] cKowDont 06:50, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Loading is simply the cache trying to catch up. IE7 bugging: It's IE, you should be used to it. Lrn2firefox imo.

I think it looks good. If you don't, put in as much time and effort into the site as Cardinal has before complaining, please. :/ -- Armond Warblade 06:58, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Every user is entitled to their opinion and the expression of it, regardless of how many contributions they have made to the wiki. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   07:05, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Perhaps Armond meant that they should take the time to design a better Main Page, i.e. that when he said "put in as much time and effort into the site as Cardinal has," he was referring to the time that Cardinal put into the Main Page? Just a thought.  [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  07:08, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * The bottom line is - I put some effort into making PvXwiki look like a gaming-wiki - idea was based on the one proposed for some time before. If anything is messed up - I will fix. If you don't like it - go a head and suggest a better solution. No need to complain on how much you liked a 1 or 2 year old guildwiki looking Main Page - it will never end. gcardinal 07:42, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Maybe swap the Good and Great icons, the Good one looks more positive (ha!). --71.229.204.25 07:45, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Old page is much better imo, this one is bad and makes me load longer Infested  Hydralisk   ( Talk * Contributions ) 10:11, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Its the slow server that makes you load longer - not the new main page. 193.215.6.253 12:01, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Love the new look. ^_^ Razer FTW! ;D --Overcow 11:58, 12 December 2007 (CET)

<3 the new look xD &mdash; <font color="#00ff84">eX <font color="#00a2ff">tinctioN (<font color="#ff8a00">Talk /<font color="#ff5400">Contributions ) 12:19, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Suggestion:Capitalize the first letter of "great","good" and "other". looks more official. or replace the second top "working" row, split it into 3, then write in "Great" "Good" and "other" in bold face. leave the logo's there and remove the wording. it'll look nicer. [[Image:BaineImg.jpg|19px|||My Talk]] BaineTheBotter  15:39, 12 December 2007 (CET)

i love what you have done with the place .. :O are those icons :D --<font color="BLACK">Iwan13 talk 12:18, 13 December 2007 (CET)

Speed problems fixed
Some extremly stupid "#¤|< |)|c|< wana-be developer put this line in feed's extension: $parser->disableCache;

I think you dont need to have master degree in coding to understand that it will suck big time :)

Removed the line - speed back to top. gcardinal 15:43, 12 December 2007 (CET)

New article headers
look awful. bold is fail 16:22, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * /agree--Shadowsin 16:24, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * What headers ? gcardinal 16:49, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Think they mean the news/updates section and the 2 rows of things at the bottom (the polocies, profesion specific builds etc.), just makes it look a bit busy and cluttered IMO (not that i know much about these things =P). <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 16:51, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * No. the new look of the header, i.e.:

Talk:Main Page
 * is what i dont like.[[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Oh you mean the Page header overall-i see, it's been put in bold or something-only just noticed, i have to say it looks wierd as well <font color="#228B22">Phe <font color="#4F94CD">Nax <Font color="Red">Kian </Span> [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]]17:17, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Can be discribed with one single word: awkward Ashes 20:16, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Was just missing CSS files. Nothing new lol. Fixed. gcardinal 21:12, 12 December 2007 (CET)

:O
WHAT have YOU DONE!?! This is so much more OWWW to look at!!!! Himynameisbobbyjoe 22:31, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * agreed, yuck :( -Karmapolice 02:00, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * Terrible... 68.39.149.149 05:20, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * It makes my eyes bleed -- DGCollard talk|contribs 11:12, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * Thank god for Adblock. --Dicksbain 22:01, 14 December 2007 (CET)

Some Problems
Overall, I dont really like all the pictures and overall look, but thats just me. Other than that, here are some real problems. There is an orange line running through the PvE featured builds section that is unneccessary and is in the wrong position if it should be there at all. Also, the word all in the PvE featured builds section is cut off. The Builds by Profession profession links are down much further than Miscellaneous and Builds by Campaign lists. Also, why is there a gray line underneath Guides in Miscellaneous? A picture of what I see is found at Image:ViYmainpage.jpg --<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 23:11, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Stop using IE then. 209.189.130.127 23:13, 12 December 2007 (CET)


 * I dont.--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 23:14, 12 December 2007 (CET)

I have some problems too. It's only with this site, and since the update of appearance it takes forever for this site to load and msot of the time i cant even get to the page. And it's only with PvX wiki, every other site is fine.--‎ F r  T c  00:01, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * The grey line underneath Guides is on purpose, since it's separating guides from builds. However not that much needed anymore since the section title is no longer 'Miscellaneous Builds'. The other bugs I can't reproduce here (Firefox 2.0.0.11 on Ubuntu), except for the loading time. The overall look & feel seems too busy to me too, will try to come up with some improvements when I find the time (probably over Christmas). –&thinsp;<font color="darkblue" face="times">H HHIPPO  &thinsp;&lsaquo;<font color="blue" size="-2">sysop &rsaquo; 00:11, 13 December 2007 (CET)

Alos, i think this site is becoming too much like gw.--‎ F r  T c  00:32, 13 December 2007 (CET)

Also, underneath Miscellaneous, why is it Trial builds, build stubs, instead of different bullets? And is it just my internet (msn) that makes the word all get cut off in the PvE featured builds, and the picture for it is jutting out the side? Also the orange line needs realigned.--<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 00:38, 13 December 2007 (CET)

imo, just revert it to the old style Infested  Hydralisk   ( Talk * Contributions ) 00:41, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * That's what I'm really getting at, but I doubt that will happen.--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 00:42, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Well hopefyll it will be reverted. There was nothing wrong with the old style, also there was no changes needed or any new styles. Just keep the older style and we're cool Infested  Hydralisk  [[image:Shadow_Prison.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 00:48, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * I ahte to be a jerk, but yeah.. revert.. this new look is sloppy.. Just add all the new boxes that are at top to old home page. Those damn icons beside great and good are so annoying Himynameisbobbyjoe 01:47, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * Agree Infested  Hydralisk  [[image:Shadow_Prison.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 01:51, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * This is the real problem - the attitude. Non of you guys want to change anything at all. First I had to fight to get pvxcode implemented as it was "useless" to so many people, now new Main page is the end of the world. Again - if there is something you don't like go to edit copy, import current version from main page, and start implementing your ideas. Some people do like it - some don't - it will not get reverted, but it can be changed. It is an idea - and YOU can make that change. And for sure nothing will get reverted becouse it has a problem with IE. If there is a problem ~ I will fix it. And even if you don't notice it - trust me I work on this site every single day. gcardinal 01:57, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * The IE thing is not what I'm talking about...it's the looks of the new page..it's...ugh, but that's my imo :/ Infested  Hydralisk  [[image:Shadow_Prison.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 02:01, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * Then go to edit copy and implement your ideas. It wont change it self. gcardinal 02:03, 13 December 2007 (CET)

Here are some personal suggestions, some might be a problem just for my internet, but I dont use IE:


 * Scoot the orange line over to the left slightly so it seperates the PvE featured builds and PvP featured builds without interfering with the PvE pictures and lines.
 * Fixed gcardinal 02:45, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Raise up the builds by profession list, as it is lower than the others.
 * See "bold the builds" gcardinal 02:45, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Under miscellaneous, make trial builds and stub builds seperate bullets.
 * This will make list to long, changes maybe will be made here. gcardinal 02:45, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Remove the pictures under the categories great, good, other, testing, and all. A good change would be to remove the pictures, and change the text color of the words to show what level of greatness they are. Example: other would be yellow, good would be green, and great would be blue.
 * No. I like pictures, if you dont go to edit copy and make a better suggestion. gcardinal 02:45, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Remove the gray line underneath Guides. gcardinal 02:45, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * Gray line there for a reason, check old version.
 * If its miscellaneous, why would guides and builds be seperated if they're both miscellaneous things? Makes the spacing seem weird.--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 02:50, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Bold the Builds By Profession list. gcardinal 02:45, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * Will be replaced by another better styled list.

Please try and answer and respond to each of these suggestions seperately, instead of only addressing a few and leaving the rest. What I see can be found here, which shows why I suggest these. Thanks.--<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 02:34, 13 December 2007 (CET)

Whoah. Victory, I didn't even notice that was you. Your sig changed alot.--‎ F r  T c  02:38, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Thankyou GC you fixed some of these problems before I could post them. Good job. Please read the others though.--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 02:41, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * btw just so you know, MSN is not even a browser, its a IE inside a skin. gcardinal 02:50, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * I have more important problems with server as well as buying new one, so I don't have time to talk about each picture on the Main Page. Not happy with my work - go to edit copy - show us yours. gcardinal 02:48, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * And one last thing, if pictures inside PvP/PvE such a big deal, I can always remove them. Errors has been fixed with tmp solution, special version for IE based browsers will be made. Mozilla based (firefox), works great. And if you havent noticed all images and icons on the main page are from GuildWars. gcardinal 02:54, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * I was just saying all the pictures and the words make it look crowded and clunky. I like the main page overall now though. Thanks GC.--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 02:55, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * I will make a picture less version after some sleep: 02:59 AM here, need to go to work 07:30... so time for a nice 4 hours sleep. gcardinal 02:57, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * 'night--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 02:59, 13 December 2007 (CET)

Jesus, you guys haven't gone overboard with styling at all... And whats with all the adds? Selling to the wiki sins now are we? -- 03:30, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * We needed money. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 03:42, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * It's not like this place was ever respected before I guess. Yes I'm being hypocritical.--[[Image:SefreSig.jpg|45px|Sefre]] 03:45, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * I'm not sure of what connection there is between Gcard being unable to pay several hundred dollars a month for hosting, etc. and PvX's reputation. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 03:47, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * You need to get your ******** ****** if you don't know what the reputation of this place is, but that stuff just beams off the page. --[[Image:SefreSig.jpg|45px|Sefre]] 03:52, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * I'm perfectly aware of the reputation of the site, but having long-term stable hosting won't adversely affect it. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 03:55, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * Kneejerk CORPORATIONS ARE BAED reflex aside, Razer really is a good company. --71.229.204.25 05:24, 13 December 2007 (CET)

this might just be me but some pictures for skills dont show up(the ones on the main skillbar thing for a build) «º¤¥Ω☼Vør <font color="Red">råx☼Ω¥¤º» 03:53, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * Link to examples? <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 04:17, 13 December 2007 (CET)


 * If there is a problem with this site - go to Admin noticeboard and post.
 * If you have ideas or want to discuss main page go to Edit copy and post.
 * If you want to comment me, what I do or what ever go to my userpage.
 * If you have nothing to do - go and get some sleep. Do not start another never ending discussion. There is plenty of stuff to do here on PvXwiki if you have time. gcardinal 11:28, 13 December 2007 (CET)

new menu on the mainpage
i think pvx wiki has some nice subportals they should be linked on the mainpage, else it is really hard to find. i mean subportals like this: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Guild_versus_Guild. there is also one for HA and AB. there are some really usefull informations, tactics, guides, and even builds discussed tehre so i really dont understand why are they so hidden :) Nephotep 13:14, 13 December 2007 (CET)
 * If you click Guild versus Guild on the main page currently, it brings you right to the portal. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  13:22, 13 December 2007 (CET)

ye but its kinda hard to find ( i didnt know that one can click on that xD ) Nephotep

pr0n
honestly I have no problems with it, but juding from the 'greamer'- and spelling errors of other users the average age of users of this wiki seems to be relativly low and I think 18+ links are kind of weird to have on a site with young users and is aimed at a game. and the mmo site had the 2nd link to something like that (yesterday 2nd life, today something else) -> 2 pr0n links in 2 days. Grobilikesmudkips 16:20, 13 December 2007 (CET)

capitalize great good other testing and all.--<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 01:58, 14 December 2007 (CET)
 * I checked that porn, and even if I was 16 and superb horny - those pictures are just ugly and to blur to see anything. In Norway they wont even make to 14+. gcardinal 08:31, 14 December 2007 (CET)

Ugly as fuck
Your builds are as random and **** as ever, and now it looks like you took a **** on the front page. Are there no admins on this site? Or are there many admins, but you're all ******? ***** less, because you couldn't possibly ***** more. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.56.252.209 (contribs).
 * QQ more. --71.229.204.25 05:12, 14 December 2007 (CET)
 * That couldn't be Brian, could it? Or was his IP perma-banned? [[Image:Shogunshen_Holidaysig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Darkgreen"> Shen <font color=#B22222>has <font color=#B22222>cookies 05:16, 14 December 2007 (CET)
 * He's known to proxy.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ƿıę [[Image:Grinshpon animooted pie.gif|21px]] 23:40, 30 December 2007 (EST)


 * like your ma &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  23:42, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Site = slow...
Since the new look of the wiki, it's being slow as shit to me, and I already got several 500-HTTP errors. Am I the only one or is this commen since the update? 15:55, 14 December 2007 (CET)


 * Armond:PvX is borked.
 * Rawr:PvX doesn't work
 * Me:Slow as shit
 * [[Image:Dark0805sig2.PNG]] 16:42, 14 December 2007 (CET)


 * Yeah, but we're getting new servers soon. There's an announcement about this on the main page. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 21:52, 14 December 2007 (CET)


 * could the image in the backround not be loaded for now?
 * it might cut the load times by half, or at least some!


 * I'm hesitant to make any edits, especially ones on popular pages, because that causes the server to have to work its way through even more data while still dealing with requests for service from people viewing the site. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 13:42, 15 December 2007 (CET)

Glad it's not just me.Bob fregman 07:42, 16 December 2007 (CET)

A different news site
I see you sorce news from mmosite.com, perhaps you might consider taking news from www.virginworlds.com as IMHO it is a better news stie. 88.109.27.183 20:40, 18 December 2007 (CET)

Speed
YAY! No more 5 minute loading pages =) ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  20:23, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * /signed [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 20:26, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * I don't get it. [[Image:Shogunshen_Holidaysig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Darkgreen"> Shen <font color=#B22222>has <font color=#B22222>cookies 20:31, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * New server installed, super slow pvx of yesterday gone. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  20:40, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * No, I mean Frvwfr2's /signed. [[Image:Shogunshen_Holidaysig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Darkgreen"> Shen <font color=#B22222>has <font color=#B22222>cookies 20:42, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah, I dont get that either. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  20:18, 20 December 2007 (EST)

Main Page
Looks very nice now, much better than before. +1 to gcard. &mdash; Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 23:27, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * The only thing I'd change would be to capitalize "Good," "Great," etc. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]] *Defiant Elements*   +talk  23:33, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * I will in a day or so. Need to make sure the servers are completely fine. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 23:57, 19 December 2007 (EST)
 * Makes sense. And if you don't, I will.  [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  00:03, 20 December 2007 (EST)

I would still remove the gray line under guides, as all of them are miscellaneous, and make trial builds, build stubs seperate bullets.--<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 14:54, 20 December 2007 (EST)

Some Toolbox links are broken
Some of the toolbox links are broken; at least the links for PvX Decode and PvX Convert. Not sure if they are only broken on the homepage, or everywhere.

Builds by Profesion
All the builds by profession aren't working, I'm getting a No Such Special Page message on all of them. Anyone else getting it. Antiarchangel 20:18, 20 December 2007 (EST)
 * Yep. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  21:53, 20 December 2007 (EST)
 * A lot of links aren't working... [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 21:54, 20 December 2007 (EST)
 * The transition to the new server screwed a bunch of it up. Gcardinal's fixed some of them, but for the most part, the rest of us don't have the coding expertise + familiarity with the changes necessary to figure out why it isn't working and fix it. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 21:57, 20 December 2007 (EST)

Ouch, I failed. —ǥrɩɳsɧ ƿoɲ  22:06, 20 December 2007 (EST)

The PVX Decode and Convert doesn't work!
it doesn't work!<font color="Firebrick">Jtfire55 01:49, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah, I'm getting a 404 as well. - Auron 06:49, 21 December 2007 (EST)


 * I've never used that, (I'm getting an error too), what is it even used for?--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 06:59, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Try removing all the random shit before it and just doing "/wiki/Special:PvXdecode]] or whatever it is. See  —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  07:01, 21 December 2007 (EST)


 * Special:PvXDecode works.--[[image:Holiday_viy_sig.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 07:09, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * But click the link in the toolbox- it doesn't work. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  07:14, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * That link works, yes, but try actually putting code through it and it 404's again. 84.9.10.165 07:20, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * That is really weird. If you manipulate the URL again (i.e., removing all the weird shit instead of taking what it gives you) the thing works. I think it's just a problem with the linking or pathing, as the device itself still works. - Auron 07:38, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Yeah, i suspected if you removed the weird shit it would work, but I had no idea which bit was the weird shit. Has the link been modified to have the weird shit or has the template change changed where decode is? - Rawrawr  08:31, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Minor Bug
I found that if you place your mouse over Image:Main-pve-icon.png (the image next to "PvE featured builds"), a small segment of the line that separates pvp from pvp builds disappears. As the main page is having other problems right now, feel free to not fix it, especially if it is hard to fix as some minor things are. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  18:54, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Sort by proffesion
I judt tried clicking on the link to show me all of a porffeesions builds and it came up with no such spedical page was found or soemthing like that..i checked a couple of other proffesions and they had the same problem-but the campaign specific builds link works fine (the english there may be a bit iffy (i suck at grammer). <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian  16:16, 22 December 2007 (EST)


 * Look three sections up :P We're not sure what's wrong either. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 16:31, 22 December 2007 (EST)


 * It's a server thing. And we actually kinda know what's wrong, we just don't know why. The server keeps trying to plug in the html values for the symbols and it screws it up. We could fix it by making them all external links. They just don't look as nice. Assassin builds <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 16:35, 22 December 2007 (EST)


 * I thought i remembered reading it somewhere -.-, sorry about double posting. Could it possibly be it's trying to get the link from the old server or something (just a thought)?<font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 17:02, 22 December 2007 (EST)


 * Something with the symbols probably; right now the link is something like http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Prefixindex%26from%3DMe/%26namespace%3D100 but it should be http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=Me%2F&namespace=100
 * Yes, all we know about it is that right now it's attempting to substitute hex/html/php values for the symbols involved. (Likely not hex values, due to the fact that they, you know, don't follow the hexadecimal format with their things that aren't 0-9 and A-F, but they're all interrelated anyway.) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 04:48, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Sort by attribute
I don't know where to put this so I am going to just put it here. I think it would be cool if you could do like advanced searches. So you could find a specif type of build. This is an example,like if you wanted to see if there was a solo water ele farmer build. Sorry if I did any thing wrong this is one of my firsts posts. Punisher 20:17, 26 December 2007 (EST)
 * We're working on that exact thing. It's in beta, coding-wise. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 22:25, 26 December 2007 (EST)

That is cool. It will make looking for a specif tye of build a lot easier. When do you think it will be i Punisher 20:53, 27 December 2007 (EST)
 * When GCard gets around to it. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 20:56, 27 December 2007 (EST)
 * More like when he works out the bugs in it :P -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 22:43, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Need to contribute to see RATING this sux
THIS SUX i want to see which builds have a higher rating and it says i need to contribute im only good at using others build not making my own change it NOW **** **

what the **** now it changed


 * if u don't like it, talk to an admin about it. This is not the place to post this IMO. Besides its the best way against sock puppets. unless u know a better method. Riff 20:46, 26 December 2007 (EST)


 * You don't even have to make a build, that right there counts as one contribution.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 22:02, 26 December 2007 (EST)


 * It probably changed because you posted this... now quit whining, deal with it. And sign comments with 4 ~'s. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 22:06, 26 December 2007 (EST)


 * thanks guys :) Riff 18:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)

I can't rate stuff, even though I contributed... Tonight 02:33, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Stalklist
Nice. lol <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian  16:31, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * I'll RV in a bit... I just felt like I was stalking everyone, and then they got revenge by spamming it :P -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:35, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * Lol i find it quite funny <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 16:37, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * Meh... unless someone complains, what's the harm. It's inane, but not particularly harmful.  [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  16:39, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * Following the PvX way, a poll! (Lol, seems like we have polls for everything.) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:42, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * WoOOO <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian  [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 16:55, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Vote for stalklist!
v iзти  ]]  αмзѕ з   17:04, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * 1)  &mdash; [[Image:Uber sig pic 1.JPG]] <font color="green" face="arial bold">Uber <font color="red" face="arial bold">iz <font color="green" face="arial bold">Awesome  16:54, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * 2) yay! <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 16:55, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * 3) Change is good :D [[Image:Hammer And Sickle.png|19px]] [[User:Viet|
 * 1) Yeah. [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">RfA ) 12:50, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * 2) I have over 132 stalks, more than have of which are Userspaces. Go stalklist! (A MyStalk button would have much lulz, but also perhaps some legal problems.) [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  16:19, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Vote for watchlist!

 * 1) &mdash;  Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 17:03, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Vote for Skakid!

 * 1) no u -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:42, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * 2) (ec) we have a winner! [[Image:Image-darkstone knight Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Darkstone <font color="Purple">Knight 16:53, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * 3) Always <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 16:55, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * 4) RAWR! [[Image:Fish_Signature.jpg|User:Fish]] <font color="Black">Fishy <font color="Red">Moo <font color="Grey">oo  09:55, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * 5) Lord Belar-my talk-my preferences-Skakid-my contributions-log out. :P Lord Belar 12:58, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * 6) ^^hahaha [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Shen (contribs) 13:00, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * 7) &mdash;  Skakid  23:16, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Discuss

 * Wait wut? What is this? [[image:User_Godliest_Icon_ritualist.jpg|19px]] <font color="#339999">GΩdlﺄεﻯt <font color="#DA04FF">-_-  16:47, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * Special:Watchlist.
 * Armond
 * My talk
 * My preferences
 * My stalklist
 * My contributions
 * Log out
 * (Lol edit conflict with self) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:50, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Stalklist
Every other page i go to, when i look up to the top right it says my stalklist next to my contributions. I click on it and its my watchlist. I go to another page and its normal, then the next page i click on it says my stalklist again. It keeps switching from watchlist to stalklist. Why is that? And is anyone else having that problem?-- Fire Tock  17:04, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Oh, id not notice that someone already said that.-- Fire Tock  17:04, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * It's changing between various pages because I just changed it back to watchlist. It'll take a few minutes for the cache to settle - it did that when I originally changed it to stalklist. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:06, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Assassin Builds
There are so many build with an assassin that use a non dagger weapon. Maybe we should just make an article using the best builds for an assassin with different weapons.-- Fire Tock  21:03, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * Make a guide. [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">RfA ) 21:05, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * Warrior. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Shen (contribs) 21:04, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * what shen said <font color="BLACK">Iwan13  talk  21:07, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * There are so many builds out there. 99% of them fail the WELL test. That's why I wrote it. Among them are non-dagger sins. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:29, 30 December 2007 (EST)

NERFS
-I am s sick of every skill being used for a bit and then being nerfed...We are starting to have to get creative in order to kill people because of all the nerfs to killing moves...Me as a PvPer hate these nerfs such as "Black lotus strike." Over time ive also noticed that pvp has changed in general &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.211.229.50 (contribs).
 * The day pvp (the meta) stops "changing", it dies. Also, why are you posting on a fan (!) site documenting builds, not even skills or general game information, about skill nerfs? – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 22:58, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * To add to that, this is the talk about the main page.--[[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">RfA ) 23:00, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Builds by Profession links broken
The "Builds by Profession" links from the front page all appear to be broken. They lead to an error page informing you that the requested special page does not exist. --Bishop 07:51, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * We know-there's a few topics about it a couple up.<font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 09:29, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Less wall-of-text-y
Hopefully, this will make it easier to edit. I did the same thing with the editcopy, too. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 01:55, 31 December 2007 (EST)
 * Can i point out that's it's difficult to see other on PvE builds and Testing on PvP builds-i sugest just turning them all one colour or something that stands out against both, otherwise your making it look to "showy", you need to avoid using too many colours =). <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 07:17, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Colors on the mainpage
Maybe it just me, but why blue? It makes no sense that great builds are in blue. In-game its Gold, Green, Purple, Blue - why use blue here as #1 ?.. gcardinal 12:13, 31 December 2007 (EST)


 * 'Cause its purrty. [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">RfA ) 12:16, 31 December 2007 (EST)
 * I think Great should be green, good purple, other Blue and All Gold, and then have testing as red?<font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 12:35, 31 December 2007 (EST)


 * Cardinal - because it was on the editcopy and I had too much of a headache to do more than mess up the code once or twice. :P
 * Additionally, in game it's a rather light blue. This is a dark blue.
 * I'm open for suggestions for color changes, though I'd like to avoid as much cheesyness as possible. Also, as was mentioned above, we should avoid choosing colors that are hard to see (I'm afraid that red is hard to see on the PvP table).
 * -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 00:15, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Links show skills
Nice.-- Fire Tock  19:24, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Found this on the Perma SHadow Farmer. Although, i have know idea how it works. -- Fire Tock  19:32, 1 January 2008 (EST)
 * Because Hard Mode because monsters attack much faster.
 * ...look at the wikicode? – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 19:35, 1 January 2008 (EST)
 * Its a little trick I leaned from looking at some article. If you use a and then do 15px  Ressmonkey (talk)  20:37, 1 January 2008 (EST)

I tried it but i just turned out like this... Fire [[Image:Fire_Tock_SigPic_2.jpg|19px]] Tock 21:50, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Btw, I also noticed that you can't use the links when you do that.-- Fire Tock  21:53, 1 January 2008 (EST)
 * The purpose of using them is so that the user wont have to use the links, they can just see what the skill is. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  21:56, 1 January 2008 (EST)
 * But, uh, be careful not to try to do a normal link inside the tags. It'll break the page (as demonstrated here by yours truly :P) <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 22:25, 1 January 2008 (EST)

So don't do something like

?-- Fire Tock  23:02, 1 January 2008 (EST)


 * That would probably break it. I'm not entirely sure, but I know that links to GW or GWW will because it tries to parse the GW (or GWW) as a skill name, and those skills don't exist. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 23:09, 1 January 2008 (EST)

btw, this page is 63 kb. Archive?-- Fire Tock  00:56, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Are there any Builds that can farm Aatxes?
Please post any links of builds that can farm Aatxes. TY!<font color="Firebrick">Jtfire55 11:06, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * why just only aatxes? Infested  Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 12:40, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * (EC)smities goes faster imo Infested  Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 12:41, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * EC w/ yourself? gg.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 13:38, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * Just look under Farming builds and find the ones there-Don't be lazy =) @infested-Aatxes tend to have a better ecto drop rate though-which is what i assume this is for....<font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 15:03, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * o r i pve nub, thatswhy Infested  Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 15:04, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * PvE FTW =). It might not be true but if you look at drop rates on various sites (GW and GWW generally) they tend to show Aatxes have a slightly better drop rate =P. <font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 15:12, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * How did you EC w/ yourself? [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 15:14, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * I always do that-mad skills (Like Wizzardboy xD) <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 15:16, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Featured Builds PvE
All of the featured builds for PvE (tested) have "a" at the end of them. Can anyone fix? i tried, showed no problem, then went back adnd the A was still there. Like SPlinter Heroa and Singers of Woea.-- Fire Tock  17:38, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Oops, didnt check. Now all of them have it, but only for PvE.-- Fire Tock  17:39, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * Uh... wow. I have NO IDEA what's doing that, unless gcardinal changing the colors somehow screwed it up. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 17:44, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * An admin needs to fix the links here. I can't do it, as the page is protected. --Bishop 18:30, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * Ah. I was looking at the changes to the pvp featured builds section instead of pve :P Gcardinal accidentally put a's in after the pve featured builds. I'll fix it. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 18:40, 4 January 2008 (EST)

New Messages
Ok, wth is happening. Every time i go onto the main page it says i have new messages. But i dont, EVERY TIME!-- Fire Tock  17:17, 5 January 2008 (EST)


 * Idk, see this too. &mdash; [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">RfA ) 17:19, 5 January 2008 (EST)
 * Hold Ctrl and hit F5. You have a version of the page cached from when you had new messages, Ctrl+F5 clears your cache and refreshes the page. --71.229 03:56, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Equipment
do you think it would be possible to start adding equipment templates for the pvp builds so that noobs dont have to use their brain but can become COMPLETE COOKIE CUTTER NOOBS???!?! PLEASE!?!?!? 65.80.247.229 03:51, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * :Sorry, too busy playing touchers. --71.229 03:54, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * I will look into it. gcardinal 06:49, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * OR I can add an equipment guide somewhere into the guide namespace. That said, Gcard, could you make Guide: an actual namespace?  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 07:13, 7 January 2008 (EST)

For now, though, you could use Template:Equipment-template to at least put equipment template codes in. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 22:59, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Trial
Would it be possible to make this a category header? Currently its "Build Type - Working -Testing - All". If it were "Build Type - Working - Testing - Trial - All", with the corresponding sub-categories below, trial builds might get more activity and development, which is being discussed here. &mdash; <font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">RfA ) 19:01, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Ritualists on the Rise
It's nice to know that there are so many ritualist builds featured right now. To me it means that there is still new ground left to explore with some of the more unique jobs. However, I wish to see something new come around in terms of ritualist skills unused, like Xinrea's Ashes and whatknot. --Emeralddragon2 03:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * Defiant was Xinrae is total shit tbh. In PvE you'd be better suited using that extra slot to kill them before their skill recharges anyway, and in PvP it's like Diversion except it's a much shorter disable, it's reactive instead of proactive (and therefore doesn't get better as you do but instead gets better as your opponents get worse) and sharing spells with allies (which doesn't happen outside of gimmicky shit), it's an item spell so it removes your weapon bonuses, and it's elite. --71.229.204.25 03:29, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Featured Builds
Personally, I think that all featured builds should be in the great category, or in the upper good. It just doesn't seem right ot put a build with an "other" rating as featuredKlomi 18:32, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * Its better if theyre other since they are only there to get voting attention. Other builds have the possibility to go to trash rather easily, while great and good ones have little to no chance of being deleted. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  18:37, 8 January 2008 (EST)

New main page
The current main page does not allow for portals/guides to have a place in the main page. This new one (which I will make if wanted) would give featured trial builds a place (as per DE's wishes) and add portals (as per Gcard's wishes). Discuss.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   20:25, 8 January 2008 (EST)


 * You has epix handwriting. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 20:28, 8 January 2008 (EST)


 * Well, I just rushed it. Normally, I have better handwriting.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 20:29, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * I agree the portals/guides need a much bigger presence on the main page, but going down to only one featured testing build for pve/pvp doesn't seem like a good idea considering there's already tons on builds stuck in testing.--Goldenstar 20:32, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * It stays at 3 or goes down to 2.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 20:34, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * My bad, i read it as two tested and one trial XD. IMHO i'd just go with two testing and one vetted. Should be fine--Goldenstar 20:38, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Wiki-technical question about removing the title line
Most Mediawiki based wikis have one thing in common: the fixed title of the page in the upper left corner, followed by a &lt;hr&gt; on every page, even the front page. GuildWiki has it. The Official GW wiki has it. But PvXwiki does not have it (on the front page). I've been searching through massive amounts of mediawiki documentation, but I have been unable to figure out how that was done, so... can someone enlighten me? --Bishop 04:22, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Thought that looked different. Well, gcardinal probably hax'd it in with this version of the main page when he made it, so I'll tell you this: Very painfully. Don't go trying to replicate it blindly, there was some code to disable the cache in there when we did that whole overhaul. Wiki was slow for several days before we fixed it and it caught up. Even then, it was pretty slow until we updated the servers a week later. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 04:38, 9 January 2008 (EST)

New Messages (2)
THIS IS SO COOL! CHECK THIS OUT! You have new messages (last change). I CAN MAKE IT!-- Fire Tock  18:37, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Grats! I dont get the purpose of it though. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  18:39, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * And it doesn't look quite the same. I think the capitalization is wrong. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 18:44, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * can i steal it? :D Infested  Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 18:45, 11 January 2008 (EST)

actually, i tried on gwiki. They said it wasnt aloud. And you could get banned for using it.-- Fire Tock  18:56, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * That's pretty gay. Unless you're redirecting them to Last Measure or 2girls1cup, I don't see the harm. :/ --71.229.204.25 18:57, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * I actually had something very similar on my page here, then Auron deleted it... It was perfect, too. I used my ip to make a comment on my talk page, then compared the two messages. I had the links directed to my talk page, though. But yeah, not allowed here, either. &mdash; [[Image:Uber sig pic 1.JPG]] <font color="green" face="arial bold">Uber <font color="red" face="arial bold">iz <font color="green" face="arial bold">Awesome 19:20, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Here it is. He didn't delete it, he just erased it. &mdash; [[Image:Uber sig pic 1.JPG]] <font color="green" face="arial bold">Uber <font color="red" face="arial bold">iz <font color="green" face="arial bold">Awesome 19:27, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Is anyone else noticing that RC is saying all the posts here are under the New Messages section further up? --71.229 19:22, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Not until now. &mdash; [[Image:Uber sig pic 1.JPG]] <font color="green" face="arial bold">Uber <font color="red" face="arial bold">iz <font color="green" face="arial bold">Awesome 19:27, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Don't think there's anything that can be done about that except not giving sections headers that already exist. When you're editing a section, the only text the editor has is what's in that section, so when making the link it can't tell that there's one by the same name up higher. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 19:32, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * o i c --71.229 19:34, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Get rid of it. Auron already stated (i think) that he doesn't want that on this wiki after the mass explosion of them it caused on gwiki.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 21:18, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * I changed the header be adding " (2)" to remove any problems that may occur. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  21:36, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Fists of Energy 2
WTH? Someone deleted my build. Why?-- Fire Tock  15:07, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * LOL, can i see it? that last one was pretty funny.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 15:38, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * Same thing happened to me. Went away for 5 days, came back, build disappeared.  Probably got WELL'ed and deleted.  Personally, I think this WELLing is total shit.  Trashing -> deleting is the only way a build should be deleted, excluding a dupe, total inferiority to other build, etc.  But having it where 2 people (person who puts WELL tag and admin who deletes it) dont like a build so it gets deleted is just bullshit. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  17:27, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * Speaking for myself at least (and to be perfectly honest, with a few exceptions, I'm the only one who really WELLs builds), I do my utmost to only delete builds in the most obvious cases. When there's any question, I leave it for the voters to decide.  And, I always check both the votes and the talk page before deleting.  [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  23:32, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * I only WELL things that go like "ZOMG FRENZY WITHOUT CANCEL O AND ELE PRIMARY SO I CAN HAS METEOR SHOWER AND UBER CONJURE" <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 23:37, 12 January 2008 (EST)

So hold on. Maybe i can find a past version of it and put it back.-- Fire Tock  17:36, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * Erm, no. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  18:03, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * You can ask an admin to restore it so you can put it in your user space or w/e. <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 18:12, 12 January 2008 (EST)

So I herd Special:Logs was ftw. And I also herd it records all deletions, moves, etc. and who deleted/moved it, and the reasons for the deletion/move. So here is the answer to your original question. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 18:27, 12 January 2008 (EST)

so, i have no idea what you're saying... so, what?-- Fire Tock  01:00, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Lol. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  08:13, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * What I was saying is that there's no reason you should be posting on the main page talk "who deleted my build" because you can find a record of all deletions ever in the logs. And if you want to know why it was deleted, you should post on the talk page of the person who deleted it; in this case, Armond. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 11:58, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Btw, can someone please upload these following Skills?.. Banner of the Unseen, Form up and Advance, and Signet of the Unseen. Ty.-- Fire Tock  12:00, 13 January 2008 (EST)

I'm using them for my latest build, -- Fire Tock  12:01, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Wait a minute, i might be left out, but do you guys use the Edit button to talk or the + symbol. 'cause i use the + symbol.-- Fire Tock  12:07, 13 January 2008 (EST)


 * The + is intended for adding new sections to a talk page. I use the little section edit buttons for editing specific sections. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 12:23, 13 January 2008 (EST)


 * Oh, didn't know that. Why didn't anyone tell me? It's all Nova's fault.-- Fire [[Image:Fire_Tock_SigPic_2.jpg|19px]] Tock 13:14, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Respon/Load time of PvX
In the last 10/15 mins i've noticed that PvX is taking a long time to respon and load web pages (any other website works normaly whcihc makes me think it's something on PvXs end). It's currently taking about a minuet to load a page up. <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) 14:17, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Noticed that too, however, its seems to be back to normal for me right now. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Shen (contribs) 14:18, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * It's poing on and off for me-sometimes it will be ok others not so much (even the same page). <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 14:19, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Give it some minutes. I did some changes to configuration files which trigger a reset of the cache. –&thinsp;<font color="darkblue" face="times">H HHIPPO  &thinsp;&lsaquo;<font color="blue" size="-2">sysop &rsaquo; 14:23, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * =p kk thanks for the explanation <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 14:25, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * That screams BM update to me. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 15:26, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Bm and My rating page have both been implemented (mentioned on Admin-notice board) <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 16:03, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Build master notice board?
Being as BMs have been introduced-would it not make sense to ahve a Bm notice board as well as an admin noticeboard?, this way things realted to votes can go on the B board and all the other problems onto the Admin noticeboard. Thoughts? <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) 16:18, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * There is a build specific part of the admin noticeboard, so the BMs should look at that. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  16:21, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * BMs should just go to the Admin Noticeboard build section. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  16:23, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Yes but i'm thinking if you look here Hippo says Admins have lsot the right to remove/rollback votes, so really the need for votes removal/restoral on the admin noticeboard is pointless, and just takes up space on the ADMIN noticeboard. Where as if it was on BM noticeboard that would be all there is on there (problems related to builds) <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 16:24, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Erm... I can still rollback votes... just did actually. Besides... it's not the Sysop Noticeboard or the Bureaucrat noticeboard.  If both Sysops and Bureaucrats are "administrators," then it stands to reason that BMs (the administrators of the build section) should have their place on the noticeboard as well.  [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  16:28, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Guess Hippo dropped that then (left it so admins still had that right i mean)-but still it would mean the admin notice board isn't cluttered by problems with votes is all i'm thinking. <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 16:30, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * It's also creates a second page that users aren't used to posting on (or finding for that matter). [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  16:31, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * I would have thought it would have a similar layout to the admin noticeboard (you could perhaps have it seperated into PvE/PvP (or even into sub categories if you wanted)) and there would be a link in the nav box jsut under admin noticeboard (how i usually get there...) <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 16:33, 13 January 2008 (EST)