Build talk:Team - Oola's Sinway

Anyone got any different builds for the A/Ps? -- Chieftain   Alex  16:50, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Asura summon over DE? they'll die anyway. Falrach 16:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * hmm I thought if you stack speedboosts it always causes the AI to break aggro or something. anyway you could use a cupcake instead of DE. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  17:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * why DP? pugs are going to use essence. Usually all but 1-2 people die anyways, then it's ugly to clear first level with deadly paradox (second if people aren't willing to drop SF at golem). And aggro breaks fast at 33% It's too much of a hassle to run DP in organized groups as well. You don't need SF up 100% especially with Fall Back. So i'd say essence, drop deadly paradox for HoS, and drop EE for asuran summon-- Relyk 04:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Without EE your guaranteed that they die tbh.. and almost nobody uses HoS efficiently. Falrach 06:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well we could list the builds with and without BU - though most pugs are cheapskates and manage fine without BU tbh. If you get one person who knows what to do on level 1 you're ok typically. [I'm a nub at this sc and managed fine on lvl 1]
 * I was finding most of my group ended up bringing GDW and no deadly paradox but I couldn't tell if that was just because they had the build for running without BU. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  07:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

No need for pardox, replace it with dwarves stability and ee can be replaced by hos. It's a lot easier this way and you don't worry about paradox getting in the way --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.29.241.244 (talk) at 02:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC).
 * Make essence recommended, screw ee, use Deaths Retreat instead. Screw deadly paradox, use great dwarf instead.-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  03:27, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * so..


 * I seem to be realising I'm the only one expecting to see Deadly Paradox in this build. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  13:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You can simply leave deadly paradox optional and list it saying to use if you're not using essence. EE can be left optional for EE, HoS, and Death's retreat. you could possibly run this without essence or DP, but that's asking too much out of pugs. and CTT would be useful to against Shock. Having deadly paradox and dark escape on the bar is very unfriendly for pugs.-- Relyk 00:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

There is no BU (dp/gos) needed at all when running with mutiple ppl of any prof using SF and EE. EE is an absolutely amazing running skill. If using a summon stone no attack skills are needed. 1 ebon sin skill is more than capable of killing Xien and TPS alone.--E.Snow 03:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So what skill would you be recommending for slot 1? (another shadow step?) -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  08:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, just get some friends and test out the bars you like to find which is easiest :P. -- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  12:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh whatever I'll change Deadly paradox into optional and list a few shitty optionals. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  15:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)