Archive talk:Rt/E Shackles Runner

Mooo. Dunno why none else seem to contribute this, since it's getting pretty much meta flagger. - Unexist  11:02, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Doesn't it need some water? Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 11:03, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Pour it out a glass then! =D Napalm Flame  >=] [[Image:Napalm_Flame_Sig_Image.JPG‎]] (talk)·(contributions) 11:17, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Not sure how much to pour? 9 L? Or do you go by american measure? Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 11:22, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Y it didn't showed up, mistyped it lol. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  12:32, 4 January 2008 (EST)

I like, random commas. 84.9.10.165 23:52, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Solid runner.  Beast 194  (talk ) 01:32, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * No WoR means cripshot > you--Goldenstar 01:41, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Two speed debuffs (66%) and a self speed buff (33%) > 50% speed debuff. Swiftslash \\  (contributions  * sandbox ) 05:43, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Also, cripshot > every runner. Cripshot's 1 recharge makes every condition removal go QQ, only chance you'll have is mending touch + straving, which is like usully impossible. If you get cripshot that ganks you(happens alot) your team falls back on him so he has to pull back. - Unexist  06:27, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * One Version of meta currenltly 5-5-5 everyone. Then izzy wont tounch it.[edit] *steps aside from cripshot casts icy and leaves* Cripshot is no prob. Chris 21:58, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * Most flagsnare situations he's coming straigth out of the way you're supposed to go, so he still gets his cripshot though then. What you say is usually not a viable option. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  10:42, 9 January 2008 (EST)

This is actually a very commonly run runner. Very effective if used correctly and you don't get owned by a Cripshot or Magebane. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 23:08, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * Also, this should probably have Armor of Mist instead of Storm Djinn's Haste. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 21:16, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, no. You have too less water magic for armor of mists to be become effective. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  10:39, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Use an enchanting staff. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:07, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah. 19 second duration(16 seconds(10 water if you drop the air)+20% from enchanting) is plenty. &mdash; Edru / QQ  18:10, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * K done. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  06:03, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Hidden Caltrops nerf brings this back.

Frosty  the Admin 16:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, most run Rt/E or Rt/P now ;o [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 22:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen some run Trident instead of Shackles. Variant, mebbe?  [[Image:Benjammn311Signature3.jpg|User:Benjammn311]] 23:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You're missing Water Trident and Glyph of Swiftness tbh. 128.255.216.144 23:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, out of curiosity, why the hell is this not E primary? 128.255.216.144 23:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because 14 resto > 14water and energy storage. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 23:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * WoS for NPC's? &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 23:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * if you mean weapon of shadow then i would vote yes for that as well. sure its a 20 second recharge but its also 9 seconds prage begone Funkopotomis 23:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ironically, I'm pretty sure PRage-be-gone hit the market about a week ago, when it got nerf-batted. 128.255.216.144 20:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Counter?
This build counter itself if considering this goes meta you will not move lol :) --Aartist21 20:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * wut --<b style="font-size:0.9em;"> Star of Exile  [[Image:Star star 2.png|19px]]  talk  </b> 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * was that english? [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">21:08, 24 March 2009
 * did you not read his username? it was misspelt for something else. Think me. &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 21:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * was that english? [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">21:09, 24 March 2009
 * it was luke english. so, no --<b style="font-size:0.9em;"> Star of Exile  [[Image:Star star 2.png|19px]]  talk  </b> 21:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * star who the fuck are you? and aartist ~ Autist? no? ok &mdash; LukeJohnson  [[Image:LJ_BS_Sig.jpg|19px]] 21:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Tai dum nob --<b style="font-size:0.9em;"> Star of Exile  [[Image:Star star 2.png|19px]]  talk  </b> 21:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * get a better name &mdash; LukeJohnson

21:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ... look at yours --<b style="font-size:0.9em;"> Star of Exile  [[Image:Star star 2.png|19px]]  talk  </b> 21:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * usertalks are good. [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">21:25, 24 March 2009
 * actually, i was looking at luke's talk today, and it's pretty much all flames or people telling him to remove/change votes, kinda funny --<b style="font-size:0.9em;"> Star of Exile  [[Image:Star star 2.png|19px]]  talk  </b> 21:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

btw, when I first saw the title of this build, I thought it was going to use and was like wtf? <font face="Arial" color="gray">21:12, 24 March 2009
 * binding chains is almost as leet as iron mist. althought it is very very annoying when trying to vanquish the jade sea as a ranger. --<b style="font-size:0.9em;"> Star of Exile  [[Image:Star star 2.png|19px]]  talk  </b> 21:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Needs more great votes, this completely counters MB splits (because you will always get the 90% snare). -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  14:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * i love your vote balance -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:26, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Wait, why replace Recup?
Did the nerf actually hurt it that much? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">17:08, 29 January 2010
 * Tbh yes, because your team should be above 75% health most of the time if your monks are doing their job properly <font color="Black" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Tyrael [[Image:Life Sheath.jpg|19px]] <font color="Red"> Logic!  17:18, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Tbh no, because recup works best on people under 75%, and kaolai works best for people over 75%. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 17:23, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ the point of recup is to alleviate pressure when you're TAKING heavy prewssure. Reverting b/c tyrael knows jack shit about gvg.--TahiriVeila 17:58, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * ye plus recup lasts the 40s ur getting the flag, life only lasts 20, and you can just come in and 2x kaolai if eveyrone is at 75%. guess its flagger preference &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk &bull; contribs) (UTC). 18:12, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didnt touch the fucking bar so stop blaming me <font color="Black" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Tyrael [[Image:Life Sheath.jpg|19px]] <font color="Red"> Logic!  12:45, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Why am i the only person to use a spear and water off hand when casting armor of mist / icy shackles? If you use 10% recharge on spear and 20% on off hand, plus the 20% ench mod on spear, this allows for the same ench time as staff while being 10% more likely to HRT, maybe cause its 40% HCT with staff, so less likely to be rupted? <font color="FF 00 00">S t<font color="00 FF FF">e <font color="00 FF 00">a <font color="FF 00 00">m y:> 15:36, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most people don't suck at weapon swaps and just bring a 40/40 set for shackles and a 40/20/20 set for armor of mist. Apparently you suck at weapon swaps--TahiriVeila 00:36, March 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Your missing my point, when casting mist with a 40/20/20 your not getting any higher enchantment time that what i stated, HOWEVER YOU ONLY HAVE 20% CHANCE FOR HRT. With a spear and off hand, you have 30%. Okay, i admit that shackles blah blah blah yes yes yes its better to use a 40/40 sorry that i wasnt thinking straight but please dont be aggressive before actually reading what i said. Its not particularly complicated. If you use a 40/20/20 set, you have 20% chance to HRT and +20% enchantment time. If you use a 20/20 focus and spear with 20% ench and 10% HRT you have a 30% HRT and the same ench duration as a 40/20/20 set, my question was if the purpose of using a 40/20/20 staff was to avoid interupts. Read. <font color="FF 00 00">S t<font color="00 FF FF">e <font color="00 FF 00">a <font color="FF 00 00">m y:> 15:57, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * HCT is > hrt Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:03, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you actually understood what i was asking.. -- Steamy .. x 18:57, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Not meta
Is this still meta? I dont see it on obs anymore, and my guild definitely doesn't run it... its still good, but i suggest removing the meta tag. 74.96.99.140 22:58, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Reinstate Recuperation?
I mean, the reason it was removed was because it was nerfed a while ago. Should it be replaced into the build, or have people grown into using Life as a cheaper alternative? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.119.156.190 (talk) at 19:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC).

Archive?
Way inferior to Archive:Rt/E Gust Runner. <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  12:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say keep this. Better for killing the enemy split with such a powerful snare. Haven't gvg'ed in a few days but almost every ranger was packing Cure Hex or Holy Veil not long ago so the snare on the Gust bar would just need to be removed once and they're safe to fall back. This might be slightly worse than the Gust bar but not enough to Archive it. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 12:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe give it a few weeks and see if people get bored of Gust or if it's here to stay. SpongeBobSignaturePants.jpg 12:33, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ A new misery  12:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually still found this on obs eventually. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  15:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

March 2012 flux
lol with a minor tweek this is actually a great build for the current no elite flux, just swap icy shackles for ice prison and bam +2 all atributes, more health & energy and rofl ur way to victory (especially against poorly organized teams XD) -Jimmytyme 08:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)