Archive talk:Team - GvG Balance Dual Smite

i dont rem but isnt this some of the metaish today? Massive  09:57, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Mesmer and Ranger..
This build is run whit alot of diffrent midlines - Forexample 2x Shatterstone i've seen Paras idk.. But i do think having the Ranger and mesmer is the best option Massive   10:39, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

This isn't that defensive tbh. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  10:55, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, SoJ and Smiter sounds kinda defensive idk -.:P Massive   11:23, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * o_o [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] Railin 12:03, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This isn't that defensive apart from the smiter. If it were defensive you'd have a Paragon or a necro instead of the ranger. Stuff like this is generally difficult to counter though. Question - does the magebane actually run a Sloth over Savage? I see savage used a lot more commonly, but maybe it's me. Still a generally strong build.[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]Snow Bunny  12:36, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I haven't obsed this stuff in a while, but it was always Sloth back when I did. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  12:37, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Magebane + d-shot is pretty standard. Savage is only for euro scrubs that spam skills. Btw, if you run savage and need to use it alot you'd run out of energy anyway. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:12, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Builds that change 1 midliner don't require a new page, see Tab's GvG builds for examples. &mdash;  Skakid  13:04, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I do think that this should be renamed though. It's not that defensive. [[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]Snow Bunny  17:06, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The build has 5 defensive characters. How is that not defensive? PENA 12:07, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Eh, because you basicly have 8 defensive chars if you wanna count like that? Srsly, this doesn't have anything more then a 'normal' defense. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  17:56, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

I would change the magebane to cripshot, or at least add in pin down. No snares isn't the best idea.

ARE U SERIOUS???? U have a Full Dedicated snarer oO??? + U dont want to split keep Magbebane + also nice to for itnerrupt stfu X) Massive   16:41, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * what the fuck [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] Railin 16:56, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ Having a full dedicated snarer is fairly common. They're called water eles. And cripshots split all the time; it's what YUE and Champ are famous for. So yes, we are serious. Are you that seriously inept?[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]Snow Bunny  17:14, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Magebane with pin down is fine to gank their base too tbh. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  17:55, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Sloth and Pinned Down can be, optionaL? Massive  17:29, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Altought they run Sloth and Pinned but no rez :/- added pinned to variant Massive   18:08, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

This is not defensive lol.--R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  18:55, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah I was ABOUT to scream GB2 EUROPE U n00b! When I saw that there was little if any defense. Now I dont get to flip out and say things like that. Looks ALOT like another GvG build tho. I will let you figure out which one. Hint: There's no hint. Wtbursanswtsizzy 19:34, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

New name.. Dual Smite - SoJ mesmer and Monk couldnt find other name
x) Massive   07:12, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Crippling Shoot > Magebane
I think Crippling is better since the builds doesnt have snares :/ - Crippshot is now :D Massive   14:33, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh? You do realize that you don't need a snare when you have a derv throwing around 100dmg+ AoE DW and blowing shit up? If you want a split character, take burning arrow.[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]Snow Bunny  14:44, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

hmm, thou good point..:P Massive   19:23, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Thou the snare is pretty nice it also helps defensive :) Massive   19:27, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just list Cripshot/Burning arrow as variants then, depending on playstyle. Burning arrow for more aggressive splits, cripshot for movement control on split maps like Frozen, etc. [[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]Snow Bunny  19:37, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Smite support
I think pendulum should just be put on main bar.--<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  20:31, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Body Blow
I think there may reasons for this that I have overlooked, but why is there Body Blow here as opposed to Executioner's Strike? Body blow costs one less adrenaline and deals less damage than executioner's. seeing as there is no cracked armor in the build, and the adrenaline point doesn't seem to matter that much because evis costs 8 as well, what's the reason for taking BB over ES? ~ Zamanee  ( point out my idiocy ) 21:16, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The 1 less adr is a big point tbh. 3 dmg is nothing. Also; you can still insta-DW paragons. And b-blow's picture owns. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  03:06, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The 1 less adr isn't really all that significant. I think it was chiizu, who referencing Body Blow said, "I don't put trash on my bar:. However, supposedly, because of the complex (and might I add fucking sweet) animation of body blow, there's a bit of lag or something that allows you to chiizu step very easily when using it.[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]<font color="Black">Snow <font color="Black">Bunny  03:21, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That "I don't put trash on my bar" could well have been in reference to someone saying they use both body blow and executioner's. Don't remember too well though. Lord of all tyria 03:32, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

So loat takes a look at my builds :P Massive   04:31, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

8 for 38 damage is 4.75 damage per pip. 7 for 26 is 5.14 damage per pip. It adds up over time, which in addition Body Blow can DW, meaning overall it has more utility then Executioners.--<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  23:22, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't understand this "A for B is C damage per pip" speak. Please esplain. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 23:46, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)You chain it after evisc anyway, so you might as well consider body blow 8 adren as well. Also, pips? You mean strikes, right? The build doesn't feature cracked, so there's no advantage to it anyway. Might as well go for the 2 damage exec offers. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 23:46, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You dont have to chain it after evis, its hawt to just use to like... pressure? (ups). DW on paras is also hawt. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 18:47, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Generic smite+generic front=originalz!
Discuss.

dont really understand oO - Basic thing simple as that, thou smitter monk isnt that old or thats what i think..>P Massive  11:06, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Nerf >(
Well take the Sig Mesmer for Keystone and Wounding for either dual axe or Hammer suggestions oO? Massive  10:18, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Updated!

 * Added SoR on the smite monk, (nice synergy whit the Strenght and Honor!)
 * Updated the Dervish whit 2 new skills.
 * Gave the Sig mesmer Keystone so the punishment from Mantra of Inscprtion is minimized.

Massive  05:25, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Enchanted haste is fine on the Dervish but Lyssa's Assault<Chilling Victory. If you are good the only e-management needed is AI. Besides chilling still does a ton of damage justnot so much as before. Other changes are good thou. SoR basically doubles your hex removal (at least). And keystone allows for moar SoH which is always good. Also helps with things like SoH being d-shotted or diverted. Psychiatric Consultant  18:28, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Whoever made the derv is bad.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  08:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Well since ur mostly gonna spam the - Wounding Strike - Mystic Sweep combo all the time 10x energy 4sec.. So using Lyssas and Attackers give u even moar spam since u dont further dmg from the dervish / 30+dmg from chilling, since u allready have the Axe, whit Lyssas makes u spam ur l33t skills more for more dmg :D Massive   16:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

CC runner.
I see soomeone added it, suppose its ok since u allready have the smite :).. And then u should have a pretty good 4/4 split:D, the CC deals some nice extra dmg + smite skills + ranger + shockie! ;D Altought Major rune? idk if it any breakpoint but id say a Runner whit 60armor and running the flag should have the highest hp possible oO Massive  16:30, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

new subject
i have a serious question:

are top guilds actually USING pvx builds, or are the builds being "stolen" off of observe mode, or do top guilds post their builds on pvx? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.5.240.195 (contribs).

hehe, it's mostly Stolen build from observer altough many builds have first been here on PvX and then been used by other good guilds.. So yes it's ripoff from observer mode. Altough whit this build i didnt tke it from observer mode but made it for my guild, still im pretty sure someone else used it before me (the concept)PvX is more a site for some lesser pro guilds which is looking for build etc, altough i use this site nearly all the time for builds in RA/TA/HA/GvG etc but mostly the GvG i use is builds i've posted myself x) .   Massive   12:04, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Yea, dual smite has been used before, rawr used it right back when the SoJ smite supporters became popular.  Frosty  No U!  12:05, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Keystone and SoR
Altough i like the Keystone many doesnt so what about giving the Smite Mesmer SoR (faster cast and shorter recharge), and then give the smite monk say BP? Massive  17:23, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Or SoJ?  Frosty  No U!  17:26, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

hmmm maybe but i dont liek it and dhsot on SoH = 40sec make me cry! Massive  15:37, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Goldenstars Vote
I've changed the builds so plz reconsider your vote due to not viable rate anymoar.. Massive  12:29, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll change my vote but it's still not a good/meta build. Without SoJ the mesmer becomes very meh, i'd rather have a pblock or ele tbh--<font color=#C68E17>Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]<font color=#C68E17>Star 12:34, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

Archive?
Smitters is nerfed and Crippshot is kinda meh now since Split is down VoD removal nerfed this build :/ Massive   08:45, 10 August 2008 (EDT)