Build talk:Team - HA Dual Elementalist Spike

Its a common build with some of my own thoughts (caretakers rt, p-block mez). tell me what u guys think
 * Surely something like an OoS with Channeled Strike would be better seeing as you are going for the big damage spike build. The pblock looks pretty bad, no need for 4 rupts, pblock-leech-cry should be enough and then you get room for some ench removal/e-manage. I am not a big fan of the water ele snarers because they don't have room for grasping (and casting targeted hexes on veiled targets is soooooooooo annoying) but it'll do, infact maybe a bsurge could be better over it or maybe a UG ele with stoning. Magehunters would generally work better for this since you don't have any aoe to take advantage of ES.
 * Tbh you would be much better with 2 forms of Fire ele (MB and SH) and just spiking with an ES, would suit HA a lot more and that's pretty much a variation of balanced (it's actually a variant there too), no point in single target spiking with a balanced set up when you can do the same with just as much power but get potential double/triple kills. Plus fire pumps out so much more damage in HA. Frostels 00:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL P-lock is a mini PD its pro, also 4 rupts means good shutdown, but i guess i could swap 1 for drain enchant. the water ele is fine don't rip on it, it has more snaring capability than any /e grasping ward snarer. moving on. Mage hunters i'll add as a variant, dual fire ele is a joke in a spike build, both invoke and water eles provide more dmg on spike and more defence e.g. blur, b-flash. ::also a bsurge isn't needed and invoke is a ton more dmg. UG gtfo.--PLACE 01:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not saying it won't work, 2 fire ele's in a shit tone of damage, 2 rodgort's on your axe's spikes and you get a crap load of AoE on your hammer wars kd spikes. Frostels 01:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Having different types of dmg on the spike is better, they can't use +10ar vs cold, lightning and slashing dmg. also using the water and air bars means spikes can be a lot cleaner and faster because of 1 second cast time, in addition to that the 1 second cast time means your spike is much more likely to all go through than getting interrupted. also the blur/b-flash i s strong defense against a very melee heavy meta (bbway, wota, iway, balance etc...)--PLACE 05:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

the ES bar is meta atm but people can run what ever elite they want, i'm happy to add them as variants. also the point of this build is that you can spike down single targets very easily and you can spike very quickly and so winning by over powering the other team.--PLACE 01:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

This has a lot of damage and it should do VERY well. Should get a great rating, not a fan of pb in HA though.Still a decent skill though.Caplan 02:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

P-Block
dont remove the mezmer p-block wins games--PLACE 01:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Shouldnt the Pblock run something like energy burn for more spike capability?--GWPirate 12:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * dont need it when their prot can't use skills, if the target is fused you now have a free kill on their infuse.--PLACE 22:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Move to testing?
do you guys think its ready? any last modifications (not complete build changes plox) i dont have anything else to add.--PLACE 07:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You should take cry or complicate over p-lock: nowadays there are too many invoke spikes. and maybe mainbar magehunter and take ES on variants Sewa 13:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I truly prefure magehunter's and that what i run but i thought cuz es is meta i should post es, but if u all are fine with mage on main bar i'll put it up there now. also p-lock is an amazing skill. its a mini version of PD but can't get sigs, but i agree cry is good for invokes, but in all honesty you dont see invokes holding much but i'll add cry as a variant :) --PLACE 22:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Plock is shitty, you need complicate to keep sigs down if you're not running PD.--TahiriVeila 15:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * your a massive gimp, get the fuck out of my builds, all u do is criticize, and if people dont run things out of the meta how do you expect it to change??? currently the state of the game is trash, skill update = everyone runs the new op skill aka invoke. GW is shit atm because of people who rank discriminate and people who think like you do. plock is great, different but great, also dont rate against it because the skills u want ARE in variants, also magehunters (if you can read whats said above) was agreed on by everyone but you as the better elite. moving on. the care takers rt isn't shitty, its much better because haveing the 1 sec cast time on all midline means you can call a spike and then call a really fast follow up on their fuse, and it the little things like that that make build so much better. also profane doesn't matter in this build cuz its not pressure, and rend on spike is enough. so gtfo of my build fag. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by PLACE (talk &bull; contribs) 17:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC).
 * Hey, it's not your build. Also, you're violating PvX:NPA. Stop being so attached to builds. Toraen   talk  22:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Please stop getting mad. What you need to understand is that PvX doesn't exist to judge, manipulate, or change the meta. We're not ehre to store your theorycrafts or what you think is good. PvX exists to record the meta. We only store the best builds, the builds that are commonly acknowledged as the best. If you'd like to post things that you think are fun or that will change up the meta, that's great. But keep them in your userspace please.--TahiriVeila 22:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Dervs?
Just curious why an evisc warrior for spiking when WS offers a lot more utility for the same (if not greater) spiking power.--TahiriVeila 20:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * imo. the air ele in this context really isn't that great anymore tho. Idiot 19:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * imo. the air ele in this context really isn't that great anymore tho. Idiot 19:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)