User talk:AuronFtw/Archive 11

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wuts
ur steam id (or if u dont wana share it add BOOMER! TANK! TANK!) P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  23:49, 3 February 2009 (EST)
 * fail. - Auron 00:32, 4 February 2009 (EST)
 * I already have you on Steam, don't I? Your image is a katana or something? I don't recall us ever playing together though :<  Ricky [[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]] vantof  01:09, 4 February 2009 (EST)
 * yeah thats my image. - Auron 01:14, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Just thought I'd bring this to your attention
I'd like you to look at this, if you could. I really think the users of pvx need a way to reconfirm their admins, rather than them only being responsible to you and the other bureaucrats. Karate Jesus (Talk | contribs) (→12:40, 4 February 2009 - )
 * lol KJ's spamming this everywhere --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] 12:44, 4 February 2009 
 * I'm contacting the people that need to know this, that's all. Tbh, it's about damn time we had a decent review. Ask half the users Karate Jesus (Talk | contribs) (→12:46, 4 February 2009 - )
 * Nobody cares broski, least of all me. If you have a problem with a specific admin, post it on my talk or email it to me or whatever. We don't demote anyone for inactivity (read the part on gwiki's admin page where it says sysops are promoted for life - that applies here too), and I'm not about to boot half my sysop team because they pissed someone off. For the most part, they've done adequately; there are a few who haven't performed as well as others, but to be honest, we need them with sysop tools since nobody else can do the job.
 * If you feel a need to review half the staff, write an essay and email it to me. I will read it. But contrary to (apparently) common belief, I don't appoint administrators and then let them run free unchecked. Their "reviews" are ongoing - when a sysop doesn't perform up to my standards, I contact him privately and ask him to step it up. If they improve, they stay on board. If they don't, I cut them loose. It isn't a question of doing me favors every six months when "the review board" comes around, it's a never ending expectation of high quality of service to the wiki. - Auron 20:52, 4 February 2009 (EST)
 * I kinda wanna get RfA'd but then again, a lot of Admins are hated. Biggles Strongfist ™  14:07, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * you like being hated? - Auron 14:11, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * oho, I read that wrong. man I'm tired. - Auron 14:11, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * No sleeping at work. -- -Ch ao s-   14:16, 9 February 2009 (EST)

dear auron
sometimes the only way to respond to a douche, is to be a douche, and that is all i did. ~WaffleZ  LOL  ( contribs ) 20:38, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * Auron is more well-versed in the ways of the douche than you anyway.152.226.7.213 21:01, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * No its his job, behind the mask is a kitty with heart-shaped ears and cute mclegs with a rainbow tail and colored pink, also has a halo behind him because the kitty has cute mcangel wings as well. And he's covered with sugar and surrounded by cute mcdolls and giggles joyfully with people i wuvs with all his heart--Relyk 21:18, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * Wat? ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 11:03, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * He didn't have a link on this page but wants to stay on top of most linked. We should just perma him imo, I can't recall a single constructive edit. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  11:05, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * Sounds like a good plan. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 11:08, 10 February 2009 (EST)

Video
I had to stop listening when she got to the baby shower. I mean, who the fuck cares that your imaginary character is pregnant?

Also, comments disabled due to rage, so I can't tell her that she's a genius for finally figuring out what most of us knew two years ago.

-- Armond Warblade 11:01, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * Oh yea, all the comments were moved to Saph's video. - Auron 11:07, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * my vids are cooler Infested Hydralisk  12:07, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 * no sound at school, and when i get home the owner makes it private. what were they qqing about? (other than abusive mods on guru) -- Mafaraxas  ( talk ) 00:41, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * its just a dumb hypocritical bitch that is... well, dumb. she opens stupid threads about baby showers over her "e-baby" and the mods close them and tell her not to be stupid. she thinks it's closed-minded individuals keeping her down, but obv she's not going to realize how ridiculously stupid she is.
 * also, people discovered some of her fan stories on guru - stories that contained discussion of rape, bestiality, incest, underage sex, prostitution, necrophilia and some other weird shit. but obviously we're not allowed to think she's weird or else we'd be infringing on her rights to free speech. - Auron 01:15, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * Sounds like one hell of a site. That's all happening on GW Guru? [[Image:Biggles.png]] 01:30, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * Well, she's been banned from guru in the past for being a dumb shit. When she opened her baby shower thread, it got mega-flamed by people like me who think she's just a crazy fucking bitch. The mods closed it and told her not to open stupidass threads. She took that as a challenge and posted a vid on youtube calling them mean.
 * Naturally, all her furfag buddies got interested as well and started posting encouraging comments. Since we, the upstanding trolls of Guru and Wiki, could not stand to see such faggotry go unmolested, we flamed the shit out of her video via the comments. In a hugely hypocritical move, she started deleting our comments - enforcing the same selective modding that she accused Guru mods of doing. In the end, our trolling was too much for her to bear, and she closed comments entirely.
 * In order to keep trolling, we had one of our number post another video (the content of which doesn't really matter, it was just a way to have a discussion section not modded by a hypocritical furfag) and kept at it. The trolling should still be going hard, although her fans have had absolutely terrible logic and thus get shut down quite easily in any serious debate.
 * I love how they try to be high-and-mighty and defend their creativity, even though their creativity is just a bunch of Guild Wars porn that includes rape/incest/necrophelia/etc.
 * Inde, the highest guru mod, has deleted dumb bitch's threads on guru, but she has them all archived on some personal site where her and her furfag buddies can read and fap over them.
 * Lastly, feel free to join in the flaming on that thread - be sure to thumbs-up Tender Wolf haters and downthumb the supporters. - Auron 02:39, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * I'm definitely going to go read up on this. I'm being extra-nice on this site lately. Some flaming would do my soul good. [[Image:Biggles.png]] 02:47, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * Why so much rage, Auron? [[Image:Panic_sig2.jpg|100px]] - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 06:34, 11 February 2009 (EST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0RWVqboVjI

lolgwwdrama. --71.229 04:26, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Original video is now marked private, cannot see D: -  (talk)  04:30, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * <- For some reason it wont let me link on jewtube so here it is, watch out gaiz or she'll cut ya wif her samurai sword and then make zhed bum rape you D:. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 14:03, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * Scratch that, It's Inuyasha's sword. lol. lololol. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 14:19, 11 February 2009 (EST)
 * [[Image:User Auron Tenderwolf.jpg]] - Auron 01:54, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * lolol Infested Hydralisk  02:05, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * I wonder who impregnated that. [[Image:Biggles.png]] 02:07, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 * lmao Yeah this is why all my characters somewhat look the same on my main account...I try to get them to look as much like me as possible. i alrdy thought the characters were pretty ugly tbh Infested Hydralisk  02:11, 12 February 2009 (EST)


 * She looks rather like my ex. Kinda talks like her, too. Hmm... -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 23:59, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Amidoinitrite?
I may have done something horribly wrong when I made these Templates. Should I have made them, or should we just stick with the two templates already in the tagging policy? ~ Zamanee  ( point out my idiocy ) 20:04, 14 February 2009 (EST)

since
you were being mean and forced me into changing my sig into this dumb cliche that looks wrong due to me not going to sign with .. (damn finnish keyboards). Should the template I used get locked? -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk). 16:51, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Very few templates should ever be locked. User-specific templates should never be locked. This is sort of the reason that the signature page existed - there are technical limitations that people completely forgot about when they started pulling that bullshit. - Auron 16:53, 16 February 2009 (EST)


 * Okie. I'll just have good faith in people not messing furtherly with my sig subst. -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 16:55, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Do we need a bot run to subst all sig templates to prevent vandalism? -  (talk)  16:55, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Hopefully not. How long has this policy violation been going on? Each user should be able to track down their (hopefully few) policybreaking sigs and just add subst. - Auron 01:28, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * I think there's quite a few actually. Frv was one of the first people to use a template sig and while he did protect it, it's still in quite a few places. He might still be using them actually I dunno. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 05:03, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * It's not THAT many pages.... Only like 750~1000... - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 05:14, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I'm a funny gai, see Image:Auron.PNG (not linked to keep your page pwetty.) -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk). 11:30, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 * lol - Auron 11:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Archive:R/any Magebane Turret
"going with buildmasters here, there's no reason to run magebane over BA when it already has dshot/savage and non-bad skills like point blank shot" you serious? -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  17:59, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * While we're at it, my vote is not to tell to use two penises, just that penises are awesome =/ -- &mdash;The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 18:03, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 * bad build is bad - Auron 02:59, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * Care to elaborate? -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  01:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

You would say that about any women. -- Armond Warblade 02:31, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 * --71.229 04:54, 19 February 2009 (EST)

So
PvX will remain Pokepedia after all? ~ ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP </tt> 09:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think auron just used that as an excuse because pokemon are retarded--Relyk 10:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Regardless of that, since hotlinking works, Piplups will flood PvX once again. Afaik linking images stored on another site does not mean copyvio. ~ <tt style="text-decoration:overline;letter-spacing:1px"><font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP </tt> 11:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct. If we don't host the image ourselves, no licenses or copyrights are violated. - Auron 12:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That stuff can be disabled, fyi. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  12:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why the hell would I want to disable it? It lets people display every copyrighted picture in the world with no violation on our end. I'm down with it. - Auron 17:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, disabling only makes people upload it, copyvioing, getting banned etc. etc. Rickyvantof 17:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Have fun :D <font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  18:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Read the comment above that image Frosty D: Rickyvantof 18:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So? you can still use your poke pics but not upload them D: [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  21:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Signatures
For example: http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Bolt02/weighted-companion-cube-small.png Godbox

Currently it breaks signature policy because the image doesn't redirect at all as it is an externally linked image, but it's not a copyvio. I guess we need to decide whether or not we allow this, then update PvX:SIGN accordingly. -  <font color="#0d0">Misery <font color="#0e0">Says <font color="#0f0">Moo   21:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * it does say near the bottom of SIGN about external linking... while the image isn't a hyperlink, it's still a link to an external site, so it's questionable if it's even usable. I would imagine using an externally hosted image in a sig is a bad idea. It would be a bit like a "template" from what i understand, if the image gets updated or deleted from the host, then all images here (where the user has signed) would be updated as well :/ <font color="#4F94CD"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#9400D3">Sysop   21:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They would, but as a side note, I started discussion here, I should have done that first and just linked Auron probably, but meh. I don't think "all the images updating" would cause lag like a template update would though, so it probably doesn't matter. - [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#0d0">Misery <font color="#0e0">Says <font color="#0f0">Moo   21:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

You haven't had your snack up there Auron (you know you wanna delete ;o) <font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  00:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

So...
now that 2 people have successful RfA's, can you close all the dumb, pointless ones? --☭Guild *talk* 20:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure I know how to do my job. I don't need you trying to do it for me. - Auron 22:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Auron-smash --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">22:29, 25 February 2009 
 * ROOOOOOOOOAR AURON MCSMASHGUILDALLOFTHETIMESOLOL. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™   22:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Check User
Is there a reason why me and Big don't have it, or was it forgotten? <font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 00:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I NEVER FORGET CHECKUSER DAMNIT.
 * Also, wikia hasn't given me that power yet. - Auron 00:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * k [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 00:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Special:CheckUser - works for me now. - Tycn  05:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * okay lews. I still can't give people checkuser, since wikia hasn't given me that power yet. - Auron 05:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He didn't give it to me because he didn't trust me ;o - [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#0d0">Misery <font color="#0e0">Says <font color="#0f0">Moo   08:15, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * O:<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 08:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Checkuser me, I believe I once made abou 17 socks on wikia :/ Brandnew.  11:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

ninetales is hawt
--Mafaraxas 03:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

NPA
NPA, check this here. 18:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * These sort of things are what you post on the Admin Noticeboard, not on admin talk pages. <font color="Black">Ricky [[image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]]<font color="Black">vantof 18:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What ricky said. Also, tab was right, quit bitching. - Auron 03:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

...on a higher note
Rihanna sure did get her ass kicked.
 * who the fuck is rihanna? - Auron 08:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it was the umbrella girl.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd 08:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * from what? i dont recognize her face, aside from maybe it looking like an alien. - Auron 09:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * She's this singer. I have no idea what Big posted and why D: <font color="Black">Ricky [[image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]]<font color="Black">vantof 09:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ela ela eh eh eh under nobody's umbrella or something, I don't really remember tbh.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd 09:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Google Rihanna + Chris Brown. It'll all come together. I was browsing and that popped up. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  09:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * dumb niggers beating each other up is news nowadays? - Auron 09:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well they are a lot richer than you and I are...sooo yes. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  09:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * try again. i still don't care about dumb niggers beating each other up no matter how much money they have. money doesn't make them somehow better than me. - Auron 09:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If they were better than us, then he wouldn't have got arrested, she wouldn't have got her ass beat and you wouldn't refer to the niggers as niggers. So ya. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  09:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * meh. black people are black people, niggers are black people who are 30 IQ below average and who glorify hos and bitches and bling bling. i have no problems with blacks in general, but man, some people are just... wow. - Auron 09:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Try being black and living here. I shake my head and mumble nigger a lot. Thanks a lot, internet. :< [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles  <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  09:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * found it!

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6708/1220262631614.jpg - Auron 09:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Auron...have I ever told you what deep respect I hold for you? [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  10:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC) I lol'd irl
 * D: <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#CD0000">Hydralisk  17:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Save Yourselves
I really don't think you understand how high end pve is done...It's not just dicking around taking 2 hours to get through Urgoz using warriors and fire nukers. It's not dicking around taking 3 hours for DoA. High end pve is getting through an area for a record, and the only way to do that is to be creative, inventive, and experienced in the area. In addition, using save yourselves in high end pve is useless, because shit dies too fast to throw a spear.  Life  01:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * IS high end pve just the elite missions?--Relyk 01:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That + one or two vanquishes. - Auron 01:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I was in scars meadows - I know quite well how high end pve is done (evidently, more well than you). We set the records back before game balance was a joke - back before the build completely negated any need for player skill. We beat UW in under an hour before consumables even existed. The fact that you can pop literal invincibility doesn't make you any good at the game - in fact, if you think you're good because of shadow form, you're really just proving my point. Running a single gimmick and only being able to win with said single gimmick (like the entire [agro] guild, for example) makes you a terrible player - people run gimmicks because they blow ass at the game and can't win otherwise.
 * In fact, SMS cleared hard mode urgoz in 45 minutes the better part of a year ago - there are screens on guru to prove it. We didn't dick around, and we very rarely used warriors and fire nukers. Nor did we dick around in DoA - we actually set the record there, too, back when the majority of teams were clearing it in 4 hours, we were beating it in 1:30 (1:50 including mallyx). Not to mention that SoF/SMS were the first ones to beat mallyx hard mode, which was a record in its own right.
 * However, by being literally the best in the game PvE-wise, we realized that running gimmicks doesn't make you a good player nor does it give you anything to brag about. Oh shit, you beat DoA while invincible, using armor-ignoring AoE PvE skills that do 150 damage per cast? Good job... I guess. I mean, that's not exactly hard, is it? You better clear the area in an hour or less when you have ridiculously overpowered nukes and literally invincible tanks. I mean, that's the ultimate crutch - the point where build completely replaces skill. If you feel justified acting like you're big and bad because you can mash cry of pain on recharge or chain shadow form, I rest my case. - Auron 01:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would consider Life owned. --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">01:30, 11 March 2009 
 * tl;dr, when you can do all the shit you do now without cons, SF, and cryway, then you can act like a pve bigshot--Goldenstar 01:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * AURON SMASH!! [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  01:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to stick up for [agro] slightly, at the time of their records they created and used otherwise unheard of builds, in Ursan meta. I'm extremely confident that those in guild and similar guilds are capable of playing whatever they like (their 18 minute HM Deep run with no pve skills confirms this).
 * Another major factor you miss out is that people have been doing the same elites for what.. 2, 3 years? It's no surprise there's a factor of improvement just because we know a lot more now than we used to. Athrun Feya 00:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For fuck's sake, don't bring up a dead issue, especially this one. --☭Guild *talk* 00:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Dead? In a week? Athrun Feya 02:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * PS
 * Even if/when you manage to break a record using someone else's build, do you really feel a sense of accomplishment? I'd imagine it feels a bit like a used condom - sure, it did what it was supposed to, but it really belongs to someone else and even though I *can* use it, coming up with my own plan seems more natural. SMS got to a point where they could literally run whatever the fuck they wanted and still win. Trubs brought a barrage ritualist, brian brought a spear assassin, oreo had a monk with echo ebon sniper support, skuld had a dagger sin, I had a nukeless ele bar. We were so skilled as players that we were able to out-skill the area with whatever we felt like. That is what high-end PvE is about - being actually good at the game, to a point where player skill and adaptability outweigh predetermined skillbars. Setting records is nothing compared to being actually good; even though SMS set an assload of records (including quarterly best for every challenge mission at one point), the most rewarding thing was taking BYOB into DoA hardmode and winning regardless. - Auron 01:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * High end pve /=/ Highly skilled players, I'm sure there's a lot of crappy people in ha and gvg or did i miss something?--Relyk 01:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Life is trying to act good. Unless I'm missing something, that requires him actually being good. - Auron 01:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't mean you have to rage about it, everyone on wiki acts good even though most of them suck.--Relyk 01:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

pve is serious business. skakid9090 01:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I swear that's the only thing ive seen you've been posting for the last month--Relyk 01:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It IS serious business. And if you keep questioning it, I will BAN YOUR ASS. No I kid. Trolling is boring. No ones being stupid today :( [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  01:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just find that whole tl;dr odd. From what I remember, Racthoh (SMS Guild Leader, sorry if spelling is off) was much like Life, stating that there wasn't any point in running what isn't the strongest, stating things like running Imbagon on pretty much all PvE was win simply because "SY!" was so strong.  I remember a time about 1.5 years ago when SMS and LOD (I was in LOD at the time) were having a friendly competition for times in elite areas, and those were probably the funnest times I had in GW.  (semitangent)  I also think that the current meta PvE builds are absolutely retarded.  Say that Cryers require skill is bs, because you pretty much kill everything fast enough to not worry about monsters pulling off aggro on your tank (SF or w/e).  I don't know why everyone doesn't say anything about Cryers when there was such a huge uproar about Ursan.  I really don't see the difference.  :/  [[Image:Benjammn311Sig5.png]] 02:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * tl;dr. FIX YOUR SIG. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  02:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with it now? I know it's long, but why does that matter?  Your text makes it around the same length as mine pixel-wise.  [[Image:Benjammn311Sig5.png]] 02:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks gigantic--Relyk 03:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's one image now, you're ok. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  03:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Onoes, I so baed, i can't do anything but sit around in perma sf and run up and spike shit with CoP. If they get nerfed, ill just shoot myself. OH WAIT! We had the record for Urgoz before all this shit. We used ritspike for fucks sake. You also have to remember that freaking everything in GW is a gimmick, no matter what it is. PS? Gimmick. Tease heroes? Gimmick. Cry of Pain? Gimmick. <insert every skill in the game that actually sees use>? Gimmick. You saved your ass in that second post as well. You can dick around all you want and get throgh the area running BYOB, but to actually get a record, you need to use the most effective build there is, twist it to make it suitable to your playstyle, and go out and do the best you can with it. About beating their time with their own build, i woudl say it feels great. It shows you have the adaptability to take an unfamiliar build and go out and beat the original creators. I would imagine it would feel the same as beating [rawr] using rawrspike.  Life  06:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything in GW is a gimmick? Really now? Interesting.
 * Unfortunately for your argument, our dicking around still set records. We still got under 2 hours for a doa clear "dicking around," while everyone running the cookie cutter build at the time was getting 4 hours plus and had no room to dick around. When we had the absolute best players in the guild on running what they did best, we obviously got a faster time - but that doesn't mean all our other runs were shit. Basically, you're confusing "setting records" with "being good at the game" - the latter of which is what matters for build mastership. - Auron 17:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say drop it, but Auron can probably ban you too if he cared. Fuck it, I will, drop it. Opinions vary for a reason. They're what an individual thinks of something. It's not what we all think. There's some that think PvE makes guild wars(lol) and there's some that think PvP does.  We can't all agree on everything at once, and we never will. Just agree to disagree and leave it at that. [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles  <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  06:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Balanced is a gimmick 'cuz it relies on exploiting one particular game mechanic rather than player skill and build flexibility. --71.229 07:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Big, please stop being a terrible admin, people are allowed to discuss and Auron can take care of himself, love from Misery. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   08:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Misery, Life got owned 3 walls ago so, ym. With love, from [[Image:Big_sadface_sig.PNG]] <font color="#FFFFFF">Biggles <font color="#FFFFFF">Strongfist™    Sysop  11:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone types walls of text, 71 wins in one line. Brandnew.  11:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * EUROPEAN BALANCED ISN'T A GIMMICK, YOU DISHONORABLE SCUM skakid9090 19:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Wat -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  20:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

requesting that everyone beats DoA with 2 wars, ranger (non-turret), dom mes, ele, flagger, monks to prove who is best at pve. Tab 20:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sinsplit.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd 21:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

you are all bad. --<font color="Black">Readem 20:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Even Crow? D:  Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  21:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * no crow u amazing. --<font color="Black">Readem 21:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Readem le kind -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  21:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

rollback
Hey there, Auron. Im Charitwo, I've been around Wikia a while and I'm one of the active Wikians that monitors global edits, which includes spotting and reverting vandalism on sight. I was wondering if I could get rollback to better assist for reverting vandalism or if there's a process for such, be pointed in the right direction to get it. Thanks :) --Charitwo (talk) 22:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you want to undo. 220.255.7.192 01:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If I have the ability to give it to you, it's yours. - Auron 03:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'm interested. What exactly did he ask for?  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 03:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Rollback is a tool that allows you to quickly undo an edit, or many edits from a single user. It is included with the sysop tag, but for obvious reasons, sysop isn't just handed out to everyone. However, rollback is a less dangerous tool than ban and delete, so pretty much anyone who wants it can have it. - Auron 03:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, so basically the undo button on roids?  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 03:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, it's basically just a faster way to undo stuff.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 03:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) Hope you guys are enjoying Wikia. You guys have been more well taken care of than any other wiki I've seen move here from what I've noticed. Charitwo (talk) 04:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A few things remain to be done, but yeah, I'd have to agree. - Auron 04:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI
No Offence on an admin page 01:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, but this time in English please?220.255.7.249 02:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ^. What the hell are you talking about, xtreme? - Auron 02:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't know...never mind then.[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 02:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There's an entire page of text there, and instead of, y'know, linking to a section or even a diff, you just linked the page. I'm not going to read through the entire page to find your grievance. That's your job. - Auron 02:26, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What he means is, go to the page, search the history for the change that the offensive comment was added in, then link it. If you can't, gtfo. ~ Big  [[Image:Big sadface sig.PNG]]  sysop  02:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure he's QQing about Rawr calling him a retard which, tbh, was 100% fact.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 02:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Life love you too.[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 02:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * |So Like This? fair is fair there Life[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 02:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, he covered his ass, with 'no offense'. So qq more imo. ~ Big  [[Image:Big sadface sig.PNG]]  sysop  02:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL you don't know Jack... I did the same damn thing and I get 1 day...and I don't "know how to read either"[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 02:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But I admit I am QQ.[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 03:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * <3  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 03:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No offence, but your retarded big--Relyk 05:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense, but you suck at English Relyk. Please, learn to grammar/spell check. Kthx. ~ Big  [[Image:Big sadface sig.PNG]]  sysop  06:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense, but I was ridiculing rawr's spelling by using no offence and relating it back to the discussion, please learn to not be retarded. Kthxbai--Relyk 06:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense, but you weren't. Also cya tomorrow. ~ Big  [[Image:Big sadface sig.PNG]]  sysop  06:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Offence, defence, colour, favour, specialise, recognise, go fuck yourself. British spelling is different to American spelling. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   09:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And the Euro comes out with her gloves off...lol. What is "Kthxbai"?[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 12:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

What the fuck was all that about lol. <font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 11:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lesson of the day.....take no "Offense"[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 12:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Lessen of the day.....PvX isn't as srs as it's made out to be! [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 14:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong, we learned rawr is british--Relyk 07:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

http://www.richardpettinger.com/blog/images/cute_frog.jpg

skakid9090 21:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought rawr being british was common knowledge? ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  21:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought he was scottish or some shit --Mafaraxas 07:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Newcastle in scotland? You having a fucking laugh? <_< Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, scotland is in britain, wtf? Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Does it really fucking matter? You have an accent, a sensual voice, and aren't American. If you're not Dutch, German, French, Aussie, or Asian, you're British. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  20:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * fuck the spelling of "offense", he said "your" instead of "you're", retards.--Reason.decrystallized 00:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Dos paragons
Please explain why a paragon would work better than some other profession when you already have an imbagon. Yes, I know multiple paragons can roll through almost every part of the game, and Racthohway kicks ass too, but if you're 7/8 and have an imbagon, what would you take? Chances are I wouldn't take a paragon.  Life  15:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's because you don't know what they can do. I would most certainly take a paragon. - Auron 22:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So why exactly do you need a backup imbagon?220.255.7.132 22:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * believe it or not, you can run a para that isnt an imbagon. --<font color="Green">Oj <font color="Green">▲ <font color="Green">mo  22:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * roj monk goes boom boom--Relyk 22:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What ojamo said. And not what Relyk said, because he's also betraying his lack of experience with paragons and what they can do. - Auron 22:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "The power is mine" is a very strong skill. 220.255.7.141 23:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I swear you're fucking stupid or something Auron, "Please explain why a paragon would work better". Your reply, "That's because you don't know what they can do." So as anybody reading that could have gathered, he didn't know what you thought they could do well, so why come out with such a redundant comment? -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  22:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Crow, are you dumb? I mean, conversation isn't exactly new, so it shouldn't have been very hard to figure out that "That's because you don't know what they can do" is directed at "Chances are I wouldn't take a paragon," not "Please explain why a paragon would work better than some other profession when you already have an imbagon."
 * Learn to english before insulting my intelligence. I mean, even a basic grasp of english would have helped you here :/ - Auron 22:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well since I obviously have a basic grasp of English, how about you actually reply to the main question that he was asking rather than answering some less important question? Of course I'm going to think you replied to the main question that he presented, rather than being some stupid cunt who replies to a statement which is based off another question without answering the question it is based on. How fucking arrogant can you be, really? -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  22:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you really have to ask that crow. lol. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 23:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Arrogance has nothing to do with it. He wants to be a build master - he needs to prove to me that he has exceptional (or even above average) knowledge of the game, its mechanics and how to abuse them in different ways.
 * I am not here to tell him how to play the game. I have no interest in doing so. If he doesn't know how to run any paragon bars other than imbagon, I'm not going to give him basic paragon lessons, or even bother comparing how much utility, party support and damage a paragon has to the one-faceted classes like assassin or ranger that barely add anything to the group at all.
 * And you need a great amount of tact. Not only do you have difficulty understanding English, you insult me without any knowledge of my argument or position (i.e., reviewer of build masters). Please take a break and come back ready to contribute positively or not at all. - Auron 23:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You're not going to get Auron to apologize for not pointing out the obvious when people have a very strong tendency to ignore it or theorycraft it into the opposite of what actually happens. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] {&#123;Bacon}} 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty terrible statement Armond, considering Auron is ignoring everyone--Relyk 00:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't fucking blame him. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] {&#123;Bacon}} 00:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Me neither, I'd get tired of dealing with people too.--Relyk 00:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Was that comment directed at me with the apology thing Armond, cos if it was I really don't know what you are actually talking about :/ -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  00:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Armond you have something brown on your nose[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 00:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's what I've been saying for years.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 00:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * xtreme, you have something extremely underdeveloped behind your nose. --<font color="Green">Oj <font color="Green">▲ <font color="Green">mo  03:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * a penis? [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">18:25, 27 April 2009

Ignoring all of the commentary up there, I've pve'd with Auron before. He uses paragons for everything lol. And it works. Really well. ~ Big    sysop  18:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Does he yell "YELLOWWAY!" and grab too much aggro too? Cuz that would be awesome. [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">18:40, 27 April 2009
 * I think Auron takes downers when he GWs. First time I encountered him was in halls. And he just like stood there. And won. =/ ~ Big  [[Image:Big sadface sig.PNG]]  sysop  18:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that some self-serving abuse of power I smell? Auron, you're officially the reason this wiki is going to eventually die, not to mention the method by which it has come to be what it is (some poorly crafted imageboard), assisted by the lack of interactive admins and useful BMs. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  03:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * wut?--Relyk 03:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Crow McBanned ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  04:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It's Auron's fault that everyone on this site is a shitter, and that builds on a wiki was a terrible idea to begin with, and that a build storage space was not, in fact, needed in the first place? o ok.
 * Don't bitch at Auron for doing his job, and don't bitch at Auron with logical fallacies. Besides, if you're so concerned about making PvX not shit, why are you complaining about banning for retardation?
 * Do also keep in mind that Auron's been a sysop here since before you knew the site existed. He kinda knows the ins and outs of sysoping here better than you.
 * -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] {&#123;Bacon}} 05:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * d. also, lolarmond. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  05:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You guys must have made a big deal out of something to make Auron AND Armond contribute to a name space again. I almost pissed myself when I first saw this. [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">14:55, 29 April 2009
 * auron is an elite PvE player, being a sysop on this site proves it. and banning for retardation is more in subjective rather than objective reasoning tbh. Meanwhile, KJ is sucking auron and armond off :<--Relyk 15:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am? Well, I hope their gravy is delicious because I was under the impression that I had just insulted them. [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">15:19, 29 April 2009
 * Do explain to me why subjective reasons for banning are bad. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] {&#123;Bacon}} 00:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * b& for making stupid statement if i were sysop, armond. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  03:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Just going to point out, no one gives a fuck if luke johnson gets banned for saying something stupid. inb4 "It's luke johnson" It's still hypocrisy. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ  03:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fairly speaking, crow didn't say anything logically unsound; in fact, Auron strikes me as rather arrogant for not explaining why that build would work well beside an imbagon. It was pretty clear the build in question was meant to supplement an imbagon, when defenses are more than enough in a party with an imbagon. 220.255.7.175 03:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * While that's true, i'm just pointing out that no one gave a shit about banning for stupid reasons like saying something stupid, or making a stupid vote, when it was luke johnson getting banned for it. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 04:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Banning retards for being retarded is different than banning someone who is interested in getting an actual answer. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  06:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * wat? There are no real rules about posting, There are no real rules about moderation either, enjoy your ban. ect.ect.ect. Also Auron can do whatever he wants, by calling him corrupt you hope to change his mind somehow? Starting an argument with "I swear you are fucking stupid or something Auron" Is an amazingly poor choice of words when dealing with someone who couldn't give a shit less what you think already. ﮎHædõ๘  یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 06:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, Screaming corruption when it suits your needs is doesn't help you "win" any battles. To quote a friend quoting a comedian, "You can win a battle or a fight on the internet, but you're still going to look retarded in the end." ﮎHædõ๘  یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 06:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it was "Winning a fight on the internet is like winning the special olympics, in the end of the day, you're still a retard"! [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 06:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ^Thats it! Thanks frosty, I was seriously about to call my friend at like 3 in the morning and ask him what it was again. ﮎHædõ๘  یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 06:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

@220.255.7.175 - I am not defending that terrible paragon build he voted on. I didn't ever say (or even hint) that I was defending that particular build in any way. In fact, I believe my removal reasoning for his vote included my distaste for the build. Please don't ignore such crucial pieces of contextual evidence when coming to a conclusion like "auron's supporting this build." The build was a piece of shit. Because of that, neither Life or I wasted time talking about that specific build, because we both recognize it to be a bad one. Since you're still apparently hung up on that TPIY build, go back up and read Life's post until you're on the same page as everyone else. "Fairly speaking, crow didn't say anything logically unsound" Unfortunately, he did. "I swear you're fucking stupid or something Auron, "Please explain why a paragon would work better". Your reply, "That's because you don't know what they can do." So as anybody reading that could have gathered, he didn't know what you thought they could do well, so why come out with such a redundant comment?" is a fallacy in itself. How many Olympics judges do you know that get up on the diving board and show everyone that they know how to do it? How many sit there and explain to the diver why they didn't get a 10.0 on their last dive? Anyone going for Build Master status is being tested. Anything they say, especially in a vote, is expected to be thoughtful and well educated (when it pertains to builds obv). Unfortunately, it is flat wrong to assume it is the position of the judge to inform the candidate of the specifics of his wrongdoing. That is a delusion many of you are apparently suffering under. you're mistaking my position for arrogance, and unfortunately, that's you being unobservant, not me being arrogant. If he wants to have a real discussion about the build, he is free to contact me on MSN/IRC/steam/in-game, where I will not be acting as a judge and he will not be under review; obviously, we will be two folks chatting. Unfortunately, I don't forsee him asking me for advice (or even just feedback) in any of those places. It's a pity, but not really my problem.

@Danny - lol? I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. I can't see anyone being ignorant enough to blame me for half of this site's problems, but I'll give you an answer whether you're trolling or not. What if they're both happening at once? Retards can be interested in getting an actual answer, too, but that doesn't make them any less retarded. Your pithy remark doesn't hold up to reality and this thing we call circumstances. I banned him for being an idiot, not for seeking answers. If he's willing to seek answers when his ban expires, I invite him to - as I said, that was not the reason he was banned.
 * Banning retards for being retarded is different than banning someone who is interested in getting an actual answer.
 * Is that some self-serving abuse of power I smell? Auron, you're officially the reason this wiki is going to eventually die, not to mention the method by which it has come to be what it is (some poorly crafted imageboard), assisted by the lack of interactive admins and useful BMs

In case you forgot, the build master position was created for outstanding players, ones so much better at the game than everyone that they could look at a build in their area and know its strengths and weaknesses, to help prune the obviously wrong votes and to help good builds stay good with doubled vote weight. Their position was never expected to be a "remove every vote someone whines about on the noticeboard" job, but at the insistence of the community, that is what the position has degraded to. You folks' constant whining on the noticeboard instead of taking it to the build's talk page has basically made any mod position on this site blow ass. It's all nice and dandy to try and pin the blame on me - but in reality, that doesn't cut it. In case you didn't notice, I'm not standing in the way of the community anymore. You all wanted Saint to be a build master, so I promoted him. Good pick, I must say... he lasted what, a few days? A week?

I saw Life's rfbm was clogged with a bunch of ancient oppose votes, mine included, so I opted to give him an immediate re-trial. In case you forgot, or weren't around for any of the old ones, it was basically accepted that you couldn't open consecutive RfA/BMs; you took a month or two break, tried to work on whatever the community wanted to see out of you, and then opened another one. I thought there might be more support for Life now, in the exceptionally short period between the old RfBM and the present, so I wrote that old rule out of the book - I let him have another shot at it without a waiting period. I am fully willing to promote him, should the community wish it, even if I think he is a terrible choice. My promoting of Saint, which you all seem to have conveniently forgotten, is just proof that I'm letting you all kill yourselves. If I'm somehow single-handedly killing the site by letting you do whatever the fuck you want... is it really me killing this site?

Unfortunately for the site, we could never get truly great players interested, for a myriad of reasons, but I'll only touch on one here... they simply don't care. The great players don't need a builds wiki, so they have never been interested in helping to mod one. Even back on GWiki (were you around back then? You seem to do a lot of calling out and internet-toughguying, so I'm assuming you know at least half the history of this site), the higher end PvPers didn't want to touch the builds (or, back then, the "secondary profession for a ____" articles, which were basically the same thing). We leaned on Gcardinal for months, insisting that if we made a build master position, higher end players would be more interested in coming to help. When that failed, we had to settle for less than the best - no offense to any of our build masters, but you all know it as well as I do.

I'm not sure if you've read much of anything I say, Danny, but I'd like to point out that I've been moving for months to get rid of the build master position entirely. The combination of a whiny-ass community that runs to mommy without having the balls or the energy to discuss first, and a lack of truly great players to fill the role of Build Master, makes me inclined to reduce the site's active caretakers to the sysop position alone. That way, we'll have less to deal with whiny people claiming favoritism - we'll just do the modding and let you guys deal with one another (and one another's piss poor vote reasoning). I obviously don't want to strip anyone of their current position, but at this point, I'm very wary of promoting someone to BM when he's not, in fact, a BM.

Obviously, the positions entail different things. Sysops don't take sides. Sysops are not expected to be the best players, although compared to the rest of the userbase on inception, they were above par. The sysops will mod the site, block users for policy violations, and let you do the rest (since you're obviously so keen on showing me up - if I'm to blame for everything bad that's happened, surely you can do better?)

Basically, you users are left to do what you're saying I can't - keep the site alive. I wish you luck, but I know you'll fail already, because you've failed to realize why the site is dying to begin with. Fixing the true problem would require making the entire Guild Wars game not the joke it is today. However, you're too caught up in yourself to realize that is the true cause of this site's decay. Again, a pity, but not really my problem. If you want to speed your own community down the path of destruction, be my guest.

I won't stop you. - Auron 07:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Holy Wall o' text, Batman! ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  08:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry. - Auron 09:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was going to say tl;dr but I did read it. I really thought Auron didn't care but it turns out I am wrong.  He is right about alot of things.  I do think BM'S are needed to cancle out the "my friends" votes.  Too many bad builds are getting through and not enough builds are getting attention that could be great.  I think as a whole less crapping on people and more construction with controlled comments would save this site.  The good players is what is needed here to "HELP" and not degrade.[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 12:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Auron used Wall of Text. It's a critical hit! [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 12:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * most of what you said is right, but we do need users with the power of vote removal--i've seen way too many horrible builds get vetted or nearly so by authors, socks, meatsocks, trolls, and 'real' users i've never seen before or since; or again great builds get voted down by people who didn't get them or just habitually vote low. without people who can say 'no ur wrong' then the majority rules; from my time playing GW i can safely say that the majority of players suck, and they can all register accounts.  /agree, the wiki is dying and the real reason is disinterest on the part of truly great players and the death of GW itself, but without BM's who can enforce a tiny modicum of quality and skill on a wiki where anyone can register and have their vote be counted the same, it would go downhill that much faster.--Reason.decrystallized 12:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * PvX fainted. Who do you want to use next? --[[Image:AngelusEverton.png]] 12:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * While it is not a judge's duty to inform the people of their specific misgivings, it doesn't mean a judge is disallowed or shouldn't do so. Crow never did say you must explain properly to be a "judge", I think it was pretty clear he meant that you should explain properly to not be "arrogant". This isn't the olympics, there are little-to-no time, moral, legal or professional etc constraints found in the olympics here in PvX that would prevent you from making an clear explanation.


 * If arrogance doesn't stop you from getting things done; by all means, be arrogant. Don't bother about what people think about you if you feel or know that you are doing your job to the best of your ability.


 * Life's point was pretty much "why run only two paragons when it's best to either run one or a full team of them?". It's like running Discord. One hero with discord is still fine to an extent, but why run one when you can run a full team of discord spammers(sorry, there seem to be no closer parallels to illustrate my example, except maybe cryway and sf)?


 * If I have misinterpreted any of the above, I don't mind being corrected. I would just prefer if parallels were not drawn between two very different issues, unless they are so similar in a certain way(s) that I am not aware of. Also, is this not a talkpage? Sure, MSN is better for on-the-spot communication, unless I am mistaken, talkpages can be used for discussions on builds.220.255.7.213 15:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * (@auronwalloftext)I actually agree with pretty much all of that. There really are no people on this site who are worthy of the BM position, admittedly (the only one i can think of who shows any interest at all is smurf... But he'd have to be HB section only and tbh, isn't exactly active). I'm all for removing BM powers if you want. All I ever use it for nowadays is removing 0-0-0 and votes with retarded reasoning, anyway. Theres no point removing ones with bad numbers because of the pure amount of QQ and "oboy im rite!" that you get. Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That was amazing. lol. Also, Pikafan, Life pretty much answered his own question in that post I'm not sure what you want Auron to add.   ﮎHædõ๘  یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 17:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with getting rid of BMs tbh. There's no real need for them as long as sysops can remain neutral (which I'm sure most of them can). [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">17:54, 30 April 2009
 * Hey Auron McBcrat, why not just revamp Real Vetting to represent the idea of storing meta builds, not theorycrafts? My Project Meta page (and more so the talk page) already have a shit load of chatter about such a thing. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  17:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Supported, I have been saying that for ~6 months, Frosty wants it too and will suck you off to get it. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   18:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll ban everyone tbh. I just don't like having to resort to banning. If we're gonna get rid of Build Masters, some kind of vetting system needs to really be implemented. I don't mean, click, rate, vetted. It's hard to think of right now (I really should learn to sleep), but that's why we're all administrators. Danny does have good ideas concerning it all, however. ~ Big  [[Image:Big sadface sig.PNG]]  sysop  19:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Why don't you start a discussion on how to best change real vetting to reflect the goals of our current userbase? I'm not going to force policy changes on people - policy is no more than consensus written on paper. In that sense, it would be wrong for me to change it drastically without a discussion about it first. Start a section on the real vetting talk page and discuss what you want it to be. Remember, there are going to be people who disagree with you - but if you keep the discussion on topic, you'll find you can get a lot done by yourselves.
 * "Hey Auron McBcrat, why not just revamp Real Vetting"

@220.255.7.213
 * I am willing to explain my position in great detail if he wants to learn. If all he wants is to make a big deal on wiki about it, I'm not going to give him the satisfaction - if he truly wants to learn, he can contact me off-wiki and discuss. There's a lot of politic-ing going on that Crow obviously doesn't understand.
 * Don't worry, I've been an arrogant bureaucrat for quite a while and I find it works out pretty well.
 * No, running another paragon is not like running discord. A single paragon is leagues better than a single discord necro. I'd run a full team of discord necros, sure, but I would never run a single one. Paragons are much more useful in what they can bring, so if I'm 7/8 for pretty much any quest/mission in the game, I'd take a paragon easy.
 * Talk pages can be used to discuss builds, but as I pointed out above, his point was not to actually learn, but to make a show of it all. The two are quite different, you see, and I have no tolerance for the latter. - Auron 01:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

HUGE WALL OF TEXT  --Goldenstar 04:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Politic-ing is pushing it a bit, but that aside.
 * I said it doesn't matter tbh.
 * K, its hard to find something to actually compare to paragons. SF would be somewhat closer in similarity if it wasn't so narrow in purpose.
 * I will AGF for both of you; although his purpose could be either way. Let's leave it at that.
 * Thanks for the clarification. Very appreciated.
 * Meh forgot to sign220.255.7.192 05:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Assumptions are baed senor Auron.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 05:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)