Archive talk:E/Mo Icy Shackles Warder

I love using this build in RA. Its like blindbot with the bestest snare evr. Ppl get rly pissed facing this lol.Crossfirexiv (contribs)   12:55, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * You're kinda bad @ ele if you need that much management. Drop Glowing Ice for Frozen Burst, it's a staple on any snaring bar. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  13:01, 10 February 2008 (EST)


 * I say slap a TA tag on it. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  13:07, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * true dat. looks pretty good, i'll test it out next time i get on. [[Image:Iliekfrenzy.jpg|50x19px]]Punjab 13:13, 10 February 2008 (EST)


 * ^^[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg‎|19px]]Crossfirexiv (contribs)   13:16, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * I love snaring the Grenth's Grasp sins lol. They get so pissed so they use whirling charge to speed up :D[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg‎|19px]]Crossfirexiv  (contribs)   13:18, 10 February 2008 (EST)


 * Soo you are drawing all the degen in RA without any self-heal. ~ ĐONT * TALK  14:08, 10 February 2008 (EST)


 * See this:[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg‎|19px]]Crossfirexiv (contribs)   14:31, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * Any other problems with this build?[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg‎|19px]]Crossfirexiv (contribs)   14:46, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * That is 'great' because of the GvG tag, not RA. ~ ĐONT * <font color="#444">TALK  15:27, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * Exactly, thats why this build has the gvg tag :P[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">Crossfirexiv <font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">(contribs)   15:28, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Ice Spikes > Frozen burst
should i change?<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">Crossfirexiv <font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">(contribs)   20:09, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * Frozen Burst can be pretty useful for snaring in your backline and such. ▪  √ēт   <font color=#191970>[no :D u]  20:10, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * hmm true[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">Crossfirexiv <font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">(contribs)   20:14, 10 February 2008 (EST)
 * Nononono don't change. You already have Icy Shackles to snare from a distance, and Burst is a staple on a water ele snare bar, because of the fast cast, long duration and AoE. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  12:35, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Ohk[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   14:42, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * ...anybody... fell like voting?[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   15:51, 11 February 2008 (EST)

needs Freezing Gust Drownz 19:31, 11 February 2008 (EST)
 * Frozen burst + Icy Shackles is fine.[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   19:40, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Wow nice ratings but no discussion page :P lol<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   19:05, 12 February 2008 (EST)

How do you get more people to vote for a build?<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   14:59, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * You give 'em ecto. I accept it too. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">TALK  16:14, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lol too bad im dirt poor T.T[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   17:02, 13 February 2008 (EST)


 * Looks Aight. I dont see any problems; flaws.  Nice alternative of the original Blindbot warder.[[Image:Contemplation of Purity.jpg|19px]] The UBER Noob   ( talk /<font color="Cyan">pvxcontribs ) 20:12, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Basically is a good snare/support, not much else to it than that. [[Image:Lightning Touch.jpg|50x19px]] Styxke 20:22, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well what else do you want? A healer/ Nuker/ Minion master XD lol[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   20:42, 13 February 2008 (EST)

1 more vote
pleez just 1 more vote!!!! ill gve u an ecto!!!!! lolll!!<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   22:02, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Where's my ecto? <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 22:06, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Uhhh here Complaint department. lolll[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   22:15, 13 February 2008 (EST)

HB Tag
lolwut <font color="Black">Belgianbronco 13:27, 16 February 2008 (EST)

I'm not at all a fan of Ward on Water Elems. You have water spells for a reason...snare people and kite. Much prefer Ancestor's Rage and Freezing Gust over Ward and Draw. Zuranthium 19:12, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Well thats you and meta is warder.[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   21:25, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Meta for bad Guilds. ^_^ Zuranthium 22:33, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * nooOOoo[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   22:37, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * So your saying if ur whole team is in a block 50% ward your sad?[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   09:37, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Also about the HB tag. Ive tried this in Hb, put it on zhed shadowhoof, and it works great.  Heros are capable of using this build.[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire  <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   15:32, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * It doesn't matter if heroes can run it, it has no point in hero battles and is not effective there. Get rid of the HB tag--Goldenstar 16:11, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Kk np[[image:Companionship.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire <font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)   16:25, 20 February 2008 (EST)

GoLE
Rapta, it wasnt nerfed, it's bug was just fixed (Now it affects spells that were disrupted or interrupted)<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">←Crossfire Is Buff 17:03, 6 March 2008 (EST)

So what about the Ward Against Melee nerf? ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">TALK  17:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * They only increased the recharge by 10 seconds (40/40 staff)[[image:Stoneflesh Aura.jpg‎|21px]]<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">←Crossfire Is Buff 17:18, 6 March 2008 (EST)

6 Runes?
Lol, just read the equipment and I come to a total of 6 runes. 1 Rune of Minor Energy Storage, 1 Rune of Minor Water Magic, 1 Rune of Minor Earth Magic, 1 Rune Of Superior Vigor, 2 Runes of Attunement.
 * ... 1 water, 1 earth 1 energy storage and sup vigor.. ooooh thanks for fixing it.--<font color="black" face="hyborian">X [[Image:Crossfire Godlysig.png|19px]] 14 09:34, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Do people run this in HA?
If not, I'm changing the build. Zuranthium 21:04, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Not with ward and draw. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:59, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Archival
Don't get into RV war. --<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 15:39, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Shadow modding isn't really needed. As for Cross, he can realize that no one runs this bar anymore. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:40, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ...Wtf is shadow modding? --<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 15:41, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tagged for RA/TA--[[Image:Mister Resetti.jpg|21px]]<font color="black" face="hyborian">GRAARR  / RESETTI  Crossfire  15:41, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That doesn't mean anything. Stop being bad. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:42, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ward nerf? It still works.--[[Image:Mister Resetti.jpg|21px]]<font color="black" face="hyborian">GRAARR   / RESETTI  Crossfire  15:44, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You can go run Ward then. Note that archiving this has nothing to do with a single Ward. Learn what an actual archive means. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:51, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I know I know but since when was it meta?--[[Image:Mister Resetti.jpg|21px]]<font color="black" face="hyborian">GRAARR  / RESETTI  Crossfire  15:59, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Honestly, it still works, despite lack of meta-ness. Maybe just remove GvG tag and you'll be fine. --<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 16:02, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah i removed it b4 nd rapta tagged it again.--[[Image:Mister Resetti.jpg|21px]]<font color="black" face="hyborian">GRAARR  / RESETTI  Crossfire  16:03, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * How about this: We wipe votes, change tags, revote, and be happy. --<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 16:05, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Why?--[[Image:Mister Resetti.jpg|21px]]<font color="black" face="hyborian">GRAARR  / RESETTI  Crossfire  16:05, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * On the topic of asking stupid questions: Don't.
 * With regards to this builds "meta-ness", everyone and their mother runs the existing Icy Shackles build with GoI. Stop complaining. An archival doesn't mean that build "doesn't work". If you look through them, you'll find that most of the Archived builds do work. However, an archived build does not have to be complete dysfunctional before an archival takes place. This build could have been called "meta" before the multiple nerfs to WAM and when 90% of teams had an off-monk draw on their Ele. However, in a meta with blowing up ward campers and FF necros, this bar won't see use. Those points are pretty obvious. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 01:10, 30 June 2008 (EDT)