Archive talk:Team - Vaettir Butchers

Huh, this could actually work, but why does it say hero bonder for the necro? Why not the BiP Bonder? Just put in the notes section that the bonder can be used as a hero.Fire Tock 23:25, 21 November 2007 (CET)

Btw. Butcherer's lol, like saying Flanders's's'. (from the simpsons).Fire Tock 23:26, 21 November 2007 (CET)
 * Highfive for the simpsons. Also, its just easier to have a hero as you dont need another person to help you.  And it does work.  And butcher this build does (yoda speak like do i). --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  23:29, 21 November 2007 (CET)

OMG, i'm sick of stupid Vaettir farmers... the past 3 featured builds have been stupid Vaettir farmers... Just stick to one damn build and use that. Anyway, it should be "Butchers" not "Butcherers" and otherwise it's very "eh." Basically the same as the 600/Smite Temple build. -- Guild of  Deals  23:45, 21 November 2007 (CET)
 * true enuf, but I made both. The first of the last 3 was bad, the second was good and ade by me.  Im gonna delete the second 1.  But this is beautiful.  Ill move the page too. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  23:51, 21 November 2007 (CET)

i wanna know something how come everyone is so interested in them now--Lucky121 (talk *pvxcontribs ) 01:21, 22 November 2007 (CET)

For the Glacial Stones they drop ~ 'Mooter  01:28, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * ressmonkey post a pic of ure storge, u must b rich Himynameisbobbyjoe 01:56, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * And glacial stones become galcial gauntleets. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  01:58, 22 November 2007 (CET)

and see, nothing special. Really that rich not am I. ---  Ressmonkey   (talk)  02:12, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * Bad tis not, but I was mistaken :p Thought u were like uber god mode farmness. Himynameisbobbyjoe 02:29, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * Nah, thats what I'm trying to become, but I have very little patience and therefor cannot make lots of money because I cant stick to a build long enough. And i spend too much. Really, all I can do is make good team builds.  --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  02:35, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * Oh wow you sound just like me, spending more money on farming builds then getting from farming :P Mister abc 21:39, 23 November 2007 (CET)

Also, does anybody know how much glacial stones are actually worth. I just made this build to make it easier for me to get glacial gauntlets for one of my characters. ---  Ressmonkey   (talk)  02:36, 22 November 2007 (CET)

2 sets of Glacial Stones at preview weekend. cKowDont 07:44, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * There was no Hard Mode during the preview weekend. In Normal Mode, there are only 15 Vaettir for killing.  In Hard Mode, there are 60.  Also, degen will kill thta build and so will AoE scatter if u try in in HM. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  14:16, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * And dont forget that there is no AoE scatter in HM if u have Spell Breaker on. Love bugs :) --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  14:18, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * You can simply rezone next to the Vaettirs. SS does not make them scatter (at least not in NM, but there is no difference in Collectable Item drops with NM/HM as I know). That was before Healing Breeze buff, and even with crappy Healing Breeze I could farm them perfectly. Deep Wound helps 55hp a lot too. Youtube video (yeah, I didn't know the -20 offhand and 15%DP trick) [[Image:User_Ckow_Sig.PNG|20px]] cKowDont 14:45, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * Your youtube video is sped up about 4 times, so it took that person about 8-9 minutes to do the run. I recently deleted a build that could kill 15 Vaetirr in 6 minutes.  The important thing to remember is that there are 4 times as many enemies in HM, which is what makes this run so much better. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  14:59, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * With 55hp monk in HM the only problem is too much hit in the same time. As soon as I get a -20 offhand I will try it out in HM. [[Image:User_Ckow_Sig.PNG|20px]] cKowDont 15:06, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * Itll take too long, just use this build. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  15:08, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Could you change the 600 monk to a different kind of Tank? Say, for example, an Earth Ele or Obsidian W/E Tank?  Marin  Blood  bane  14:40, 22 November 2007 (CET)
 * No because no other type of tank likes damage. All other tanks prevent damage, but the 600 monk uses it to his/her advantage. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey   (talk)  14:42, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Dude, this was just in the featured untested builds. Stop trying to keep it up there. -- Guild of  Deals  14:06, 23 November 2007 (CET)
 * A build stays in untested features until its categorised, this only has 2 votes so it shouldnt be removed yet. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  14:07, 23 November 2007 (CET)
 * Gah so many of the same 600/smite builds.... User:Canderouss
 * That's a good reason to learn it well. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey   (talk)  14:16, 24 November 2007 (CET)

The hero bonder does'nt cast bonds properly making this build useless
 * Disable with shift-click, then left click while targeting yourself. [[Image:User_Ckow_Sig.PNG|20px]] cKowDont 17:55, 3 December 2007 (CET)

Any kind of suggestions for the optional slot??? I do fine without any skills in there but not having full bars bugs me rofl.Under Gunned 04:55, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Res sig..? [[Image:BaineImg.jpg|19px|||My Talk]] BaineTheBotter  10:03, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * If playing with a hero you shouldn't use res at all since you will get ressed at closest shrines.. EDIT: (forgot to sign... again:/ ) Kongtorp 18:25, 28 December 2007 (EST)

I recently started doing the Temple 600/Smite and Vaettir, and they are both awesome. This whoops the Vaettir so fast. Clear the area in 4 minutes every time.Pizza Face 13:16, 31 December 2007 (EST)
 * Your welcome. In case you didnt know, I made both. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  13:37, 31 December 2007 (EST)

btw, i happen to do this with arcane echo + spellbreak, using essence bond and balthazar's spirit. works like a charm. only slower getting there, but that's not a problem as u keep rezoning a couple of times anyway. switching armor, i can keep SB up all the time, and it's just a blizz farming there. Though u might want to add this to the Variants.. cu.. Hoschi 10:47, 10 January 2008 (EST)
 * If you do it in HM, you will be aggroing 12-24 creatures at a time. Without something to speed up the recharge of shield of absorption, you will get owned in the face by getting hit 20 times in the time it takes to reapply SoA.  In other words, you need glyph of swiftness to not die.  Also, Storm Djinns Haste is used for more than just running.  Its also used to aggro those huge mobs.  Because stuff runs faster in HM, you need a speed buff to prevent getting hit while aggroing, and storm djinns haste is a great way to do that. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  15:34, 10 January 2008 (EST)


 * Hm, i am not aggroing more than 10 at a time, else that would kill me. true. but from entering the area, i circle it clockwise, and no problem, if you pull the groups. pls keep in mind that the monk builds tend to kill groups at the same time, which leads to less drop chance than with sliver armor, which would kill the enemy one by one. so i am a fan of smaller groups anyway, which makes my variant perfect. i guess it depends on the overall goal u r trying to achieve. maximize drops = smaller groups, that's what i found out. Hoschi 09:48, 11 January 2008 (EST)


 * Yeah, well, killing 60 creatures in 4 minutes is good too. I dont think the sliver armor build could kill in more than 12 minutes a zone.  So less drops vs 3 times the run speed... --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  18:35, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Euhm I tried this build and didn't see it working. The vaettirs didn't die fast enough and when SB was off they killed me. I do everything how the Usage section tells to do it. I only got kills if I got lucky and the item I had made Spell Breaker recharge 20% faster.. Natsopaani 08:31, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * Don't forget to switch the armor, I had problems too and I realised I had 60 AL armor on me. - [[Image:Ershins_Sig.jpg|19px]] Ershin (Talk ) 12:12, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * Also make sure you are not using superior runes and have survivor NOT radiant insignias. It seems as though you arent killing them fast enough.  Make sure you have 600 health without vital blessing, then max damage can come from holy wrath and retribution.  And, as said above, 15 AL is vitally important. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  12:48, 13 January 2008 (EST)


 * i see that sooo often. High armor and/or wrong runes. Sometimes ppl complain about spending that much k for a sup. vigor rune and then putting it into a "cheap" armor. You need Sup. Vigor, Survivor Insignia and +10 HP Runes. Lowest Armor possible, best would be Tutorial Armor ^^ Hoschi 05:44, 15 January 2008 (EST)


 * Lol, even I dont have a sup vigor on my 15 AL armor, just major :P --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  07:13, 15 January 2008 (EST)
 * Same, oh and this build ownssss 50 glacial in like 2 hours himynameisbobbyjoe 16:59, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Half-assing ftw? Master Saji 21:09, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

This can actually be walked from Longeye's to Jaga without aggro (tho the occasional wurm popup can be a pain). Since you are rinse/repeating this farm once there, you don't actually need to take a full set of 60AL armour, thus freeing up some valuable bag space. If you do die by wurm, just start again as it's a short stroll anyway :) Just a suggestion though.).Ying Tze

why do u need so much hp, when u have vital blessing that gives u 600+ hp? Plohek 10:42, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You need 800 for the max effect of holy wrath. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  10:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

OMFG My hero doesn't want to bond me wtf??? i use his spell on me and he casts it but and i get enchanted for a second but then it dissapears! did i do something wrong or what?! Plohek 12:38, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

ok i figured it out lol Plohek 12:40, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

i dont understand the usage completly... are you supposed to keep SB on you all the time? and what's with that "but leave about 4 sec on GoS"? what does this mean? Plohek 12:55, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You do SB than SoA every time SoA recharges, to stay alive. "but leave about 4 sec on GoS" means you musr have four seconds on its duration left when you have finished aggroing. &not; Klump  eet  16:58 {GMT} 21-06-MMVIII

For some reason my SB doesn't wanna stay up all the way through to its recast, i do have the 20% enchant longer staff and all my other enchantments are cast on me - so what is the problem? Ironor 19:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 * U dont recast it. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  19:38, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

change Rebirth for Blood ritual and Blood is power for Unyeilding aura instead If you die, just cast it on the hero (waiting at shrine) and unkeep the enchantment and it will teleport you :)
 * The nice thing about BiP is that its ranged and has a short cast. Really, rebirth shouldnt even be on the bar cuz u should just get resed and zone if u die.  And u shouldnt die anyways. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  15:40, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

I have 20% enchantments but still just cant get sb up--Shavalon slayer 09:05, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Love this build! I played it for like 10 min now and got 4 glacial stones, not to mention all the gold drops :) This is as much fun as the skeletons in fow :) I think that SB isnt that important anyways... I aggroed 40 mobs to the north without recasting it (8sec left) and i just spammed spells afterwards... you live :) (btw i dont even have the norn title thingie ;)) -cheers Mister_Muscolo Its a pitty you need to do it this way with 2persons. Janlijm 17:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't cast SoA and spirit bond, soa will sometimes not recharge fast enough
 * Glyph of swiftness. ---  Ressmonkey  (talk) 19:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

What does the "AL" in "AL Armor" stand for?
What does AL mean?
 * Armor Level.  Thomas   So   Dutch  16:38, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Protective Spirit
I strangely remember not needing Prot Spirit for this when i farmed my glacial stones. With both AL 15 and AL 5. I will go test it again and bring back my results. off to buy temp AL15.

Inferior?
Seems inferior to the Any/W build that does the 60 foes in 3 minutes? And also that build doesn't need holy wrath so unaffected by the nerf to it. (maybe archive?.. doubt anyone uses it ) --Chieftain Alex "talk"  18:34, March 28, 2010 (UTC)