Archive talk:Team - HA Endurance Pressure

Completely retarded, axe will always do more than daggers and axe benefits from Strength. Plus, Ghostly's Dshot on your lead says hi. User:Rain

Bash please. Drah Mc Ninja  16:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You have 2 death necros (both of which has no energy btw) and neither has rotting? waaaaaattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt? Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Should I just drop deathly swarm? Drah Mc Ninja  16:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

i like WE axe more then WE daggers  Terran  17:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Axe is more spikish imo. Drah Mc Ninja  17:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * it also does big dmg by spamming power attack + pstrike :/  Terran  17:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * more spike + pressure dmg then dagger lulz  Terran  17:22, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * True but I like daggers :> Drah Mc Ninja  17:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Toxic chill sucks so bad, why would you ever run it outside of oukaway?--Goldenstar 19:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Then change toxic chill to? vor and something else? Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  19:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * tbh why would you even run 2 death necros outside of oukaway or lichspike? Godbox  19:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Rising bile, rotting flesh, well of the profane. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  20:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * tainter + sh, change WE dagger for WE axe and voila <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  20:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop being bad, dagger is way better than axe for HA, they deal so much fucking damage--Goldenstar 20:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * i prefer axe in ha over daggers :/ <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  20:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Then you're bad--Goldenstar 20:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Better? <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  20:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Taint and LC is overkill, i'd ditch the LC for PD. Also castig sig on pnh bar is pro--Goldenstar 20:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * the only thing i like about the dagger bar is the aoe from db <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  20:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hows that? <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  21:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed it up a bit, backline works as is but i prefer HB/RC--Goldenstar 21:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so its ready for testing? <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  21:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * probs--Goldenstar 21:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Prot has Blessed Signet? You'll be maintaining at the most strength of honor on the 2 frontliners, is blessed signet really worth it for 6 energy?Swords 20:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Godliest
Resilient weapon is for ghostly because WoW got nerfed. RI is for spike builds, this isn't a spike build. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  21:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * WoW for bac/midline, rodgorts isnt just for spike builds. its strong dmg <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  21:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * oh yeah... nvm then >.>. Still don't know where you would fit WoW in though. Anyways lets vett this. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  23:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fix that horrible PnH bar at least. Godbox  11:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Whats horrible about it? And goldenstar made it :/. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  16:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * the PnH is fine <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  16:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * PnH bar is prooooooooo--Goldenstar 00:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys
let's make more builds that only replace the two frontliners and possibly the Tainter! 128.255.216.144 16:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * nono. taint and frontliners have synergyyy. and this IS the best meta build atm Exo Oo 10:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd beg to differ. Bloodspike is always better, tbh. :3 128.255.216.144 21:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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Dagger Warriors?
Assassins don't need energy management, they have crit strikes. So Endurance Daggers warriors seem pretty pointless   Jonas  02:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * big AL and IAS with no drawback can be good. Death blossom spam makes up for the lack of autoattack damage from axe/hammer. --Mafaraxas 03:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Main problem is that assassins dont have a viable IAS. Lawlbull's spam is fun too.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 03:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And, armor penetration is much better than critical strikes. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  04:59, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not on 7-17 daggers. Stop failing.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 05:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * why no soh?--Relyk 06:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Blind relyk is blind. It's on the pnh. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  06:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Never thought I'd see the day a build based on dagger warriors be vetted "Great". This game must really be going to hell.  [[Image:Benjammn311Sig5.png]] 07:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Errrr they has always been pro. Why you think people makes them? But they is only good in HA. Exo Oo 11:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They are only good in HA because that's where gimmicks thrive, and there is room for things like a tainter, and SoH. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  14:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Gimmicks Ascent ftw. Godbox  15:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Errr they has always been pro." Not on this site.  Any prof other than Assassins with daggers was trashed in an instant.  But after not watching HA for the past 6 months, I'm thoroughly disgusted by the kind of shit that's being run today.  Gimmicks Ascent indeed. [[Image:Benjammn311Sig5.png]] 05:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Warriors are warriors, not assassins, a WE axe, and a earth shaker war or something would be much better. If you want to use daggers take a sin.Swords 20:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

pve saiz hai to pvp!
/wave --<font color="FF4500" face="calibri">Darklɘs  <font color="#FF8C00" face="calibri">McChaosmongɘr  15:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * err wtf? You run this in pve? why the fuck? Exo Oo 17:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Wha the's saying is that HA is cspace wars now, no one is good at the game it all just comes down to who does more HUGEFUCKINGDAMAGE while cspacing with one hand and masturbating to giant yellows numbers with the other. Yay power creep--Goldenstar 23:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * it's been like that for monthsExo Oo 12:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * dagger wars would work decent in pve tbh--Relyk 01:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * WE scythe does it better in pve imo;oClose Impact 10:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * so tired of these bars, its constant damage and DW spamming. Solemnstrike 01:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is why Well of the Profone pwnzzz Exo Oo 12:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Dagger warriors are questionable, it might do decent damage, but there're much better alternatives(Warrior's Endurance Axe, Shock Axe, Earth shaker). Why does the "PnH" (since when does PnH stand for Ray of Judgement, PnH = Peace and Harmony) have blessed signet, in PvP, seriously? Your prot has healing hands with no attributes in healing, and MENDING, this team build is downright terrible. Seems like a joke more than anything to me. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swords (talk &bull; contribs).
 * Vandals <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  20:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

would this work as a variant?



 * &rarr;<font size=3 style="font-variant:big-caps;font-family:Mufferaw;6px"> BERKS <font size=1 style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;6px;">deedle...   dum... |undefined 02:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * no. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  02:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * why not? &rarr;<font size=3 style="font-variant:big-caps;font-family:Mufferaw;6px"> BERKS <font size=1 style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;6px;">deedle...   dum... |undefined 02:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because dagger wars are better than dagger dervs. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  02:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dag Dervs deal more damage. &rarr;<font size=3 style="font-variant:big-caps;font-family:Mufferaw;6px"> BERKS <font size=1 style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;6px;">deedle...   dum... |undefined 02:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Warriors have higher armor, and more armor penetration. <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  02:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dagger Warriors Deal More damage Via armor penetration and Warriors Endurance fueling them forever. where as dervishes have to sit on zealous daggers if they want to 1-2-3-1-2-3.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I almost managed to test it yesterday but had to go offline, but won't a pnh prot and a HB infuse work for the backline so you have a free slot to add in either more pressure or defence, or perhaps even a rit with SoH or something? Exo Oo 09:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Then you'd need to put the /P stuff somewhere else so you can have SoH and you'd lose pact. Running pnh prot would result in basically the same midline and with less powerheal on your prot--Goldenstar 14:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes you could use Dagger Dervs if you want. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 14:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * you could, doesnt mean you should. They're not as good as W/A--Goldenstar 14:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an ok variant but W/A is better than D/A i agree. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 14:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Another variant


Not saying it's good (no shutdown) but it is a pretty ridiculous amount of pressure. PnH support is nice but anyone who's played it with SoH and blessed sig knows how shitty and clumsy that bar is, the mind blast E/Mo adds a lot of offensive and is much easier to manage. Zero.Six 05:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)