Archive talk:D/any General PvE Dervish

wuts a guide m8?--Goldenstar 20:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And someone else can make it into guide form if they like. --Mafaraxas 20:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

This should be able to replace:
 * Archive:D/any Zealous Dervish
 * Archive:D/any Zealous Dervish
 * Archive:D/any Zealous Dervish

Someone else can decide whether to well or archive those. Feel free to add optionals to article. Keep in mind this is for damage. --Mafaraxas 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

zz --Mafaraxas 18:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

um we dont need a guide we need builds
 * Yeah, this is way too generalized. People come to PvX for templates, not a bar with 3 major optionals and vague descriptions. Also, HoF should likely be removed since AoL and ZV don't need one at all, meaning you'd only have half of a bar filled. No, this is just too much to try and fit into one page. Keep as is, and maybe (maybe) merge the avvy builds. -- Jai Goes Monksassin Monksassin-icon.png 18:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The point is, the optionals are related. You take the elite depending on how you want to do big damage.  Then you take the non-elites depending on the elite.  I hear that loading this bar then moving in three optionals then saving as a template is hard work, yes. --Mafaraxas 18:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Other options is to convert this into a guide. I cbf, but feel free if you feel strongly about this. --Mafaraxas 18:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Ratings
they should reflect the Effectiveness and Universality of the build, not Innovation.

Also, Zealous Vow should probably have its own page, though, because it can manage "SY!" on its bar better than any other Dervish primary build. ــѕт. мıкε  19:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

dear frosty
if you feel like trashing it, just make it into a guide instead. --Mafaraxas 01:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear maf
I cba to make it into a guide, so someone will in the last 2 optionals (WITH THE BEST SKILLS FOR THE BUILD) and make the optional RS or WS. Frosty  the Admin 09:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

? Frosty  the Admin 10:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The cold damage from Chilling Victory isn't affected by Asuran Scan, and probably won't do much where you're running this because of high armor. I'd probably go with a Warrior secondary for some adrenaline skills, and maybe Protector's Strike, if energy permits. Otherwise, pick from the optionals, or throw in Rez, tbh.
 * It's kind of sad that A/D and W/D (although lacking DW, unless you manage Body Blow, and Cracked Armor on your team) deal more damage than a Dervish primary with a scythe. ــѕт.  мıкε  01:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

What about
| Radiant scythe + | Avatar Of Lyssa + | Asuran scan + | Aura Of Holy Might? That would be massive damage. Invoker Of Love 16:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Only on foes casting skills, but I think an elite with DW is needed or you need to put another skill in and Eternal Aura, which you have room for but that means no room for SY! or such.[[Image:Signature-Liger414.png|19px]]The Liger  speak to me  16:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Archive:D/any Zealous Dervish ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 17:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Why
Run this if you have A/D crit scythe which has great e-managment and moar domages?--Tyrael-- 19:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Because this is a derv, not a sin. -- -Ch  ao  s-   19:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the only reason? How lame...--Tyrael-- 19:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We're talking about a build that someone's derv would be using everywhere. If this was a farming or running build for the same place, we could thrash the other one for being inferior, but that's not the case. I cba giving other reasonings. -- -Ch  ao  s-   20:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Forgive my lack of logic thinking but i just don't understand why you would use a dervish with a scythe if assassins are better with it, or maybe i'm just stupid--Tyrael-- 20:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What you don't get, is that if I want to do Tahnnakai Temple with my Dervish, I'd prolly load this build. Should I reroll to my Assassin and bring a A/D build and do the mission on my Assassin instead, because he's more effective? Then the mission still isn't done on my Dervish. -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * assassins are for faggots anyways &mdash; μαφλεσ 15:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That, good sir, I have to agree on. -- -Ch  ao  s-   15:11, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok so general conclusion, dont be a fag, use a derv...--Tyrael-- 19:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * except maybe danny's assassin. &mdash; μαφλεσ 02:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Dervs are fags too, use mesmers, rangers and warriors in go-PvE ;o -- -Ch  ao  s-   05:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Rangers and Wars are sooo boring....mes are nice though--Tyrael-- 13:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Rangers are fun for the gimmicks you can create with Expertise, and interrupts are lovely. Nature Rituals are my fav skill type and rangers aren't all too niche <3 warriors are just hawt, Deva Hammer, Shock Axe/Prage and Conjure HB/Cripslash ;3 -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was talking about PvE actually but ok...--Tyrael-- 13:32, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed, but PvE has little worthhhhhhh. The ranger stuff applies to PvE too, and meh. Eles, Dervishes, Rits, Sins and Paras are boring everywhere :> -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:57, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * So spamming barrage is more exciting than executing a dagger combo? Srsly????--Tyrael-- 21:47, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * You missed my point. But meh, what's the difference between spamming 1212312123 and 123123123123? -- -Ch  ao  s-   21:49, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I get your point, and there is no difference...--Tyrael-- 13:17, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

So basically there's absolutely no point in using a derv primary in PvE since Sins and Warrior primaries are better.
 * So I create a war instead of a derv? -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 22:58, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye.--88.104.254.36 23:42, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Bad reasoning =/ -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 23:44, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dervs look better I guess...--88.104.254.36 23:48, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd much rather take some imba attack skill like reaper's sweep or wounding strike than to waste my elite slot on some stupid elite just to manage my energy, if you are not lolbad you will have decent energy with this bar, and spammable deep wound is win imo Tyrael XY 13:27, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Zealous Vow or crit scythe. This is a disservice to visitors looking for builds. Cuilan 17:55, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * did you miss the spammable deep wound part? I'd definately take this elite over ZV. - Athrun Feya [[Image:Lau_bfly.gif]] - 18:00, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not worth it. Cuilan 19:25, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * By that I mean it's nice, but I don't see it making up for the rest of the bar overall. Cuilan 21:29, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * zz. you're entitled to your own opinion but honestly don't expect people to agree with you. - Athrun Feya [[Image:Lau_bfly.gif]] - 21:32, May 13, 2010 (UTC)