Archive talk:Team - 7 Hero Physway

How about the good old Psychic Imbability?

and room for shutdown/channeling optionals too. --Master Elros 12:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * good option for areas with less or no casters, but Arage @10 seems weak now. Illoyon 12:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I presume this is pure theorycraft. The monk will not be able to support two copies of SoH. Better to put it on the Orders necro. Soi Sticker 21:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest switching the monk out for a curses nec and taking it on that. Pew   Pew ♥   21:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * changed it...so SoH is maintainable on both physicals. Illoyon 22:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * how's the Panic on energy? &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 22:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * as good as panic mes can be. Illoyon 22:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't need CoF when you have Panic. It's spammable enough. Take a cheaper hex or something. Unnatural Signet or Overload. Soi Sticker 00:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Overload isn't cheap. probably should forget about mm prot since 2 frontliners warrant an ST and since minions might steal some Splinter. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 01:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Why 11+2 crit on the dagger spam variants?-- GWPirate 关 09:43, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing to reach the 13 breakpoint for energy return. Pew   Pew ♥   09:48, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My fault, I thought it was on 12. Thanks and Never Mind.-- GWPirate 关 09:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Assassins
Nope. Ranger dagger spammers BECAUSE:
 * Higher AL versus elemental damage.
 * Pet is bringing a total of 2 extra tanks into the fray.
 * Expertise reduces attack cost, while assassin's critical far less in hard mode.
 * JinXPyre is hawt.

 With Love ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  10:10, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * assassins can bring utility and just one "Fall Back!" makes me sad. Illoyon 10:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * But pets are cool :D  Maciej  Talk  10:17, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Assassins with wota, ce and zealous daggers rarely run out of energy. A ranger with a pet may sound better due to more bodies but when the pet is dying all the time, it will destroy the ranger's dps. Although frontline don't have to take any utility but damage. Soi Sticker 17:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * edit: I will say the elemental bonus would come in handy in *some* occasions, but not overall. Use it in those Dungeons like Kath and Fmaw. Otherwise, sins wins. Soi Sticker 22:36, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * pets, like minions, will steal Splinters and die more often. "FB!" and "SYG!" on the sins. for that last resto, IV + another Splinter is better than PoD, since the other Curses skills don't need high spec. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 19:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I would stick enfeebling/weaken on orders, allows healer to devote resources to healing. SW on n/rt would be an ugly spread, but you can change PoD to IV.-- Relyk 19:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Pets take 33% less damage than players, both of you are autistic if you think they'll be dying often. Pet's don't "steal" splinter, it's ALWAYS prioritized on melee classes. The only time minions/pet's would get splinter is if your sins already have it on them and the pet is within a "Best AoE" situation. Rangers shouldn't have energy problems with zealous daggers, I used to run dagger ranger all the time, heroes spam even less than a player does so both of your points are moot. Assassin's gain a small damage bonus while sacrificing survivability.  With Love  ♣  RąʂKɭɘş  09:51, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah... They're still going to die, and it's still going to hurt your DPS. I wasn't saying ranger energy is poor; that would be ridiculous and untrue. I was saying assassin energy management is also great. No need gimping your build. If you want extra bodies, you take minions. Soi Sticker 14:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * a dedicated curses hero over dedicated orders seems to me less useful, since high spec blood is more useful than high spec curses. Illoyon 09:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * maybe something like this for last two heroes?

PI seems nice because Great Dwarf Weapon is ruled out &#9823;Fianchetto 20:56, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * PI resto energy management is terrible and also PI + panic is overkill...if you want it bring it on either dom or illu mesmer. Illoyon 22:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * hmm, since there's already 2x fomf, i figured it can't hurt to add the extra Leech Signet to this. pairing Panic with PI has diminishing returns, true. the general idea is that Esurge/PI/Shared Burden are better than PoD, since the other necro seems to have ample room for weakness and cracked armor. only problem is that SoLS can handle energy as well as 2-3 inspiration skills combined. basically, is the cool mesmer elite worth the extra emanagement slot(s)? &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 02:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * in my opinion PI resto is not worth it...just to unreliable compared to nekro restos and still you can bring Icy Veins over PoD. Illoyon 09:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Speaking of Assassins vs Rangers and pets...I know Assassins get a pretty terrible IAS, but beast mastery can offer that too. Wonder if something like this would work...
 * With 12 dagger, 10 critical, 8 beast mastery. Issue is you'd need 2+1 in Critical Strikes to hit the breakpoint, which might not be worth it. I'm also not sure how well a hero would use Bestial Fury. If there's energy problems you can change Enraged Lunge to Scavenger's Focus (drop 2 points in Wilderness Survival, you'll hit lots and get enough energy to keep going), but at that point maybe you're better just playing a Ranger. 129.170.71.107 19:31, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 10 energy cost of beastial fury is going to fuck any energy over. especially since a chain is 15e (energy @ 25e) Chieftain Alex  20:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Barbs
I'm amazed to not see barbs anywhere on this team. The team even has a curses necro practically set up for it, barbs would speed up kills and be immensly helpfull against high hp bosses. I havnt added it myself becuase im sure there is a reason not to have it, but what is it? --Frizz Meister 18:51, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Heroes use it on dying foes, and often after the 2 second cast, the target is dead anyway. (summary: heroes are shit with barbs) Chieftain Alex  19:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * barbs in general is bad, since 2 seconds cast time is just too long for pve.Illoyon 22:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Put barbs on your minipet yo.  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  00:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Mind if I swap the sin heroes for derpish?
The Markway derpish. I figure they deal more damage. Cuilan1 (talk) 06:34, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

A real weapon spell
If you're gonna fuel melee damage, why not give meleers a real weapon spell--Weapon of Fury (https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Weapon_of_Fury) --Saxazaxx (talk) 19:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It conflicts with Splinter Weapon and adds no damage directly. Splinter is good for 140-235 pseudo-AoE damage (depending on whether you're looking at the mesmer or the rit copy) per cast every ~6 seconds. The melee heroes used barely benefit from Weapon of Fury and certainly wouldn't be able to turn the increased energy/adrenaline into that much damage output. Also you'd have to drop SoS as the rit's elite, further reducing the team's damage. Some melee players can benefit appreciably from WoF, but usually have better sources of increased adrenaline/energy gain (or you can take skills on the necros to that effect) that don't conflict with one of the most important melee damage buffs. Toraen (talk) 11:03, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Archive?
I'm taking a look at some of the lower rated 7 hero comps. I think a cleanup will help increase the quality of the builds on PvX. --Xanshiz (talk) 08:33, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree ZStepmother (talk) 09:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I actually tried this. Archive. Willarddog (talk) 13:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * At least refer to a physical build in the archive tag. We don't just need to have the one mesmer e-surge build vetted on pvx. - Chieftain Alex (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Either archive, or a rewrite. Dagger spam heroes are pretty terrible. ZStepmother (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2020 (UTC)