Archive talk:Team - HA Triple Onslaught

Can it be somthing like this? I saw this one destroying eB on relic run. And i don't think they had Grenth's Aura, maybe something like Holy flame or Rending Aura --Sewa 10:50, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I didnt know grenth, and thanks about the builds :P Le Shadow Form Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 11:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll add rending ;) Le Shadow Form Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 11:58, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Moved page
I think it is just a copy-paste build that is used nowadays as the new dervishes. Not that I own anything, I just found it observing yesterday. It owned [eB] in relic run and in damage. Le Shadow Form Slayer    12:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

OoTV?
If you are running onslaught, with the enchants recommended on this page, wouldn't the Ootv Dervish be extremely effective as it is all still physical damage?-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  20:21, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't make this build, I saw it beat [eB] #29, I copied what I could and Sewa helped me Le Shadow Form Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 20:22, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, I'm just wondering if it would be more beneficial than having the mes or rit.-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  20:40, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know, when time passes I myself may see that change. Le Shadow Form Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 20:41, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did some quick calculations, with onslaught, the dervs can attack 4 times in the 5 second ootv. With 13 life steal that's an extra 52 health every 5 seconds, optimally. If the casters are autoattacking with a spear, they can also get 52 extra health, optimally. The health regen from the ritualist, tops is +6 per second, so in 5 seconds is an extra 30 health, unless im totally mistaken about that. The only thing I can think of that would be a reason to keep the rit would be for the hard res, and wep of shadow.-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  20:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Look, I've got nothing to say about it. If I see them use it, I will copy it. This was their optimal build. <font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 20:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait a sec...you want to drop the rit for a ootv? No weapons vs trip melee and you drop like flies, no weapons on koth and might as well just say bye to ghost. Unless you can guarantee rolling the other team really fast or just want to farm first 3 maps(which you might be with this gimmicky build), you need a rit or other form of caster with weapons. Roland 01:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Then, which would you drop?-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  01:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing, by using OoTV you're losing either tons of utility or much needed defense. OoTV used to be good, but with power creep it has been retired from majority of builds. Roland 02:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless I saw it wrong, this ain't a gimmicky build when it defeated [eB] who where btw still running AoB, this means it overpowers that build. <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 08:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Trip melee of 3 same bars is gimmicky and lame, if you put in a ootv it'd make it even more gimmickier. Being a gimmick doesn't mean it doesn't win. Also, unless the eB group had crow and bloupy it was prolly a bunch of shitters. When i was last on like 1month ago they'd invited a bunch of shitter pve'ers to farm faction for them or something like that(not sure if they still have them at this point). Roland 19:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They had them in if I was correct, but they were just raped if I may say :P <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer   [[Image:SFS C-Ribbon.jpg|15px]] 19:49, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

(restart the column)Yeah, eB is a guild with ~40 people that every time they are 6+ start playing HA, no matter who they are. It's possible they were shitters, but i remember some good players that night in obs. --Sewa 06:07, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

This build
Is copied right now, and changes may be added to make it work better, or variants, or whatever. Just give it a vote ;) <font color="FF6600"><font color="Red">Le Shadow Form <font color="Green">Slayer    06:09, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Generic
Why not just make this build a generic trip melee with the variants? There are so many versions of this, its not really unique enough to warrant its own build page. Rawr 08:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy with that, tho it might be a bit ugly even if you just list the most common used. Hammer/axe(maybe, aob is easier for most ppl)/aob/onslaught..and I'd prolly put fire as optional in case you're running ~2 hammer. Maybe set standard as hammer/2aob or something and list the variant bars under them?Roland 08:38, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Why do shitters run esurge with this?
You already have fucktons of damage. Pblock is such a better option. you hit a pblock on the prot or weapons rit and it's game over gg.--TahiriVeila 16:43, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because they need that extra damage to compensate for a lack of skill! <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 18:46, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Pathetic!--TahiriVeila 18:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Shitters use esurge because most good rupters have quit and HA is mostly shitters. Having a mes with pblock who will get maybe 1-2 good pblocks entire match isnt as good as just overloading the backline with damage(though sometimes that one lucky pblock can be worth it).  Good teams will use pb because they know they will hit it good and hit it often. Just look at my vote from like a month ago..said same basic thing ;) Roland 19:19, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Got rid off Esurge as mainbar, put in 4 optional elites ;) <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 14:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ESurge is pretty good actually. I guess you have to say, if you can win with ESurge, there's not much point in even bothering to try and be good with PBlock or PD. Personally I never liked PD anyway (not 'cos I think it's bad, I just don't like it). Yeah PBlock/PD is probably better overall, but just surging things to death is easier by far. (WM) 2.24.243.86 20:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * GLF mesmers not being regarded as nuke machines. lol owait.
 * The point of bothering to use Pblock well is that it would perform better. c? PewPew   QQ   21:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yah, if you're actually talking with your team you can tell them "oh shit, i just pb'd guardian and diversioning on rit. Go rape their fuse and weapons now." and then they're all dead and you can go "lol terribad prot, learn to cancel noob" in chat and feel epic pro. True story. Roland 01:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Epic win then? <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 05:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ferrealzies Roland 02:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Archive
I'm 98% sure this build is done. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   03:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can switch Zealous Renewal with Harrier's Haste and TWS with Aura Slicer.  Shadow  Talk  06:10, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's still crap.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  06:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

was this in use before? if so, wait until this flux ends, since the combination of the flux and the slight nerfs made dervs less appealing. give it 2 weeks. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 06:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It was used, hasn't been in use often after ele meta and some annoying fluxes  Shadow  Talk  12:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Even before I never really saw this being used that much. Now and then, sure, but mostly it was either 2dervs +1hammer, or 1derv + 1hammer. And with the aforementioned skill changes that you posted above, I really don't think that would compensate for Onslaught's nerf. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 14:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Neither would I, but it was the best thing I think  Shadow  Talk  17:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)