User:Malokai92/Wiki Drama/E/R Glimmering Pet

[build prof=E/R air=12+1+1 ene=3+1 bea=12][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Conjure Lightning][Glimmering Mark][Heket's Rampage][Call of Haste][Comfort Animal][Charm Animal][optional][/build]

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Please read the whole build page including Notes section, and let the flamming begin. Smity Smitington 15:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Why is GoLE even on the mainbar? -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 15:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "Probably the highest DPS ele build possible." lol... -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 15:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * GoLE is needed for energy, and show me another ele build that puts out 90dps constantly Smity Smitington 15:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You have 2 spells, one is cast once every 45secs, and the other once every 10secs, you don't need GoLE and tbh, I don't even know why I am wasting my time this build is the fail of fails. lol and the answer to your question, pretty much any pug ele build beats this in damage and survivability (which this build has none of). -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 16:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seeing as you say u dont need glyph of lesser energy you are obviously retarded. It is completely needed.  There is no other ele build that puts out this high of dps constantly, so please stop waisting my time. Smity Smitington 16:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Omg...I'm not even going to bother saying anything back to that, but just one thing... ^^ Owns you, because you have no selfheal, no defense and no survivability, those two little skills above rend you USELESS.. -- Douche zone   16:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Listing counters to a build proves nothing as every thing has counters, a regular ele build would be countered by backfire and vision of regret, not to mention empathy is easily removed, nobody used remove hex, and even vs high hex removal you still get alot of damage off with glimmering mark. Smity Smitington 16:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * needs more spirit's strength for more wandspike 16:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't seriously use the survivability card as I can point to a number of good and great builds that have no self defense because there focus is on raw ownage which is often more important in a team that already has a healer. Smity Smitington 16:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

A regular working build has 2, maybe 3 counters that will cause it to fail yes? Lets talk about counters to this build... You expect to stand in RA and wand somebody to death, good luck friend.. -- Douche zone   16:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Daze
 * Blind
 * All conditions in general
 * Degeneration
 * Hexes, both anti physical and anti caster
 * Any damage build will destroy you before you do anything to them.
 * Enchantment removal
 * Enemy hex removal
 * Blocking
 * Did I mention enchantment removal?
 * Energy Denial
 * Snares/KD
 * Interrupts
 * Oh, enchantment removal.
 * Guardian/anything that blocks your wanding and pet.
 * Failing by using GoLE on one 10 energy spell every 10 secs GG
 * Imagine a scenario where it is you vs monk in RA, he uses Guardian, you use GM, oops Holy Veil...
 * Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about... Daze is a counter when you cast one spell every ten seconds?? GoLE is needed because you use 10 energy every 10 seconds with glimmer, 5 with hekets rampage every 10 seconds, 10 with call of haste every 30 seconds, and 10 with conjure every 45 in the case it gets removed, run the build and you will see your energy slowly goes down and down over time, GoLE is needed. Degeneration? Have you ever heard of a monk?  And theres survivabilty again.  Do I really need to show you builds that dont have survivabilty that are good or great? And often times it does win one on one cus its damage output is higher.  Enchantment removal doesnt destroy this build as you some how think it does, it makes your wnd attacks for less damage, bringing your dps down a bit.  If you think GolE is not needed and u want a cover use aura of restoration.  Energy denial?? Any energy using build is countered by that.  Blocking? Any martial build is countered by that?  Blind? Any martial build is countered by that.  Snares/KD, any build is countered by that.  Interupts?? You cast a one second spell every 10 seconds, interupts are not a major counter to this build.  Again, if you are shut down in one way, you still do damage in other ways, so its very hard to completely shut this build down.  Holy veil?? Try the fricken build instead of being a moron and you will see that hex removal is not a prob cus usually by the time they remove the hex, guess what, you cast it again on them.  I could seriously take your list and apply it to a number of builds and use the same retarded arguements you are using. Smity Smitington 16:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, flame the use of GoLE, the you list edenial as a counter.. FAIL Smity Smitington 16:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * For your sake I'll list aura of restoration as a variant to GoLE Smity Smitington 16:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't read the whole of your comment because its clear that you have not a clue what you are ranting on about just from the first few lines...Lets see here...you say that GoLE is absolutely need, because you use 10 energy every 10 secs on GM, 5 energy every blah blah blah, the fact is, you obviously don't know how GoLE works. Have you read it? It only decreases the energy cost on SPELLS, its clear you are the moron not me OMG ... you have GoLE on your skill bar and you have only 2 spells, 1 every 10 secs and the other every 45 secs (infact, you would do better with air attunement which is e-management for your spells and a cover enchantment, if you even know what that is..) Believe me GoLE is NOT needed here, don't come out all bullshy telling me that I am a moron, when its clear that you don't even know what your talking about...Oh and do now exactly what you say above, apply that long list of counters to a working build, I dare you, and lets see what happens... -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 16:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Fail some more... GoLE lasts 15 seconds therefore effects two castings of glimmering mark. Why should I belive you that it's not needed when I have actually used this build and see that e management is nessacary? Stop being ignorant and read my response.  You can't list counters that would effect most builds and use it as a reason to suggest that a build is inferior. Smity Smitington 16:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This build is inferior, FULL STOP. -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 17:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * And don't delete my comments please, your clearly trying to hide the fact that I am right... -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 17:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean to delete your comment, feel free to post it again, I cant wait to show you why its wrong. Smity Smitington 17:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Lol shielding hands and shield of absorption.
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 * What ru loling at? Smity Smitington 17:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah Pika lol with me at this build -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 17:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Cus sheilding hands is so meta in pvp.. Ele builds that spam high damage skills are just as easily countered by spirit bond and protective spirit. Douche your last comment that I accidently deleted was something to the effect of "LOL ENERGY DENAIL DUH YOU CANT EVEN CAST GOLE IF YOU ARE BEING DENIED", learn to counter edenial by using your weapon sets, learn the concept of low and high energy sets and energy hiding. Smity Smitington 17:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Go go me and you scrimmage, you play this build, and I'll play any build you want me to, any profession and I will win.. -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 17:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, many monks run shielding hands in RA and GvG to the point I would call it meta. Play the game instead of theorycrafting something bad here. Protective Spirit is rarely run in any form of PvP except AB, FA and JQ. Spirit Bond is expensive to use, hence is susceptible to target switching. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]uɐɟ ɐʞıd  o ^_^ o  ¸ « ` 17:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not theory crafting, most monks dont using shielding hands in arenas or alliance battles (did you read the tags?). Smity Smitington 17:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You know gvg is in a good state when woh monk run dual stance or extra hex removal instead of PS =\--TahiriVeila 17:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting 1v1, Douche? Your arguments are officially declared irrelevant. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Did you read my post? Most monks run shielding hands in RA now. Since you are too dull to figure out, RA stands for Random Arenas. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 17:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh i didnt realize you were to official person to consult on what is used in ra. I ra all the time and rarely run into it, this build takes out most monks I run into cus of its pure pressure. Agreed with vipermagi, douches arguements are irrelavent, 1 v 1 has nothing to do with how a build will function in teams. Smity Smitington 17:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh so you think you are the official person to consult on what is used in ra. Oh ok. And what makes you think I don't RA all the time? [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 17:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey viper, if you read what this guy has said above, he is literally relying on a monk in RA, which 9/10 you don't get a monk, and when you do get one they are usually useless. So yes, I am suggesting 1v1. -- Douche zone   17:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You have to use good builds in ra if you want a good team, you cant lessen your dps for defense because when you finally do get a monk dps is more important, any good player will tell you that. Smity Smitington 17:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Douche, the same goes for opponents. LOL SHIELDING HANDS MRITE. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "You have to use good builds in ra" - Please don't tell me you seriously think this is a good build?! -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 17:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

just stop talking douche. the fact is anyone with common sense will bring a +10 ar against fire and lightning on their defensive set (unless they're too lazy to switch against this), making glimmer do no damage and kite from your pet which does like 30 damage every time it hits. btw u have 60 ar, so any warrior or sin could kill you. running this in ra doesn't prove anything btw. only the most terrible monks would get killed. and finally --Relyk 17:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes sir. (I need to say no more, because he just told you how it is.) -- Douche zone  [[Image:Killzone Sig.jpg|40px]] 17:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol +10 armor vs lightning is gonna fuck this build? Yea right. And Kiting from pet.. I loled, did you notice call of haste? Also suggested using shield for main set, so you have 68 armor and -2 physical damage reduction. Smity Smitington 17:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Make sure your character looks halarious and has a halarious name, and make sure your pet's name is halarious too. This will maximize on the lol effect of this build. I lol'd <font color="Orange">Chi <font color="Red">Shan  17:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Shielding hands is bad so monks from top guilds all the way to guildless whorus run it....Owait....<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 17:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Run the build, sheilding hands is not a huge counter, it is rarely encountered in ta/ra/ab and is not maintainable (8 second duration 15 second recharge). You ppl are forgetting that pressure builds dont need to attack the monk to fuck the monk up.  Just switch targets.  I usually just unload on one target usually not the monk and your dps will eventually wear them down. Smity Smitington 17:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I ran my IoP mesmer in RA earlier. The first 6 matches had 4 monks, and 3 with shielding hands. And you do know that you can WoH yourself back up for 5 seconds, right? [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 17:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Again with the pointless counter comments. What is the thinking? Lets list a counter that effects every single build instead of actually trying the build and making meaningful criticisms? Again, shielding hands doesnt fuck this build its not maintainable and simply switch targets. Damage still gets through sheilding hands anyways, you wand hits an AL60 char for 45 damage. Smity Smitington 17:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I feel this is enough said http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder <font color="#004466">Mooter  -  talk | contrib 17:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seriously stop making bad comments. WoH heals, we all know that.  This build doesnt solo kill a monk it relys on a team.  Again, please show me ele builds that do higher pressure than this.  Stop listing counters cus every build has counters, when it comes down to it this build is quite resiliant, as it is very hard to completely shut down your damage. Smity Smitington 18:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems like a bit of dunning-kruger effect too--TahiriVeila 18:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * THATS THE ONE i was looking for, but i couldnt remember the name :< anyways... http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:E/Me_Mind_Blast_Distortion_Ele <--- fun times smitty <font color="#004466">Mooter  -  talk | contrib 18:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Mind blast does 50-60 dps, this does 80-90, mind blast has better defense, but is easily shut down through anti caster, while this is harder to completely shut down. Smity Smitington 18:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Dead Pet, "OH NOES, EAT GLIMMER" look clearly you're fairly new to PvX as you're defending your build. It doesn't matter you think once you move it to testing you're build with get rated, and probably pretty darn low judging on all these positive feedbacks. Sorry if taking honest comments is rough when their not nice ones but it's true and that's how it goes. <font color="#004466">Mooter  -  talk | contrib 18:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know how things work around here but i am not knew to guild wars and can see that most of the shit ppl have said here means nothing. Again hex removal is not that bad try the fricken build instead of being ignorant, it's easy to keep applying it and get damage off even when the monk is focusing on removing it. Res your pet.  Seriously stop being ignorant. "OH NOES BACKFIRE/VOR" on mind blast.  Smity Smitington 18:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * same can be said for GM, I've tried builds similar to this one(I wanted to make GM build a few months back) and even though its big damage and spammable the fact is one monk goes "Oh look...*WOH*" or "Oh look...*Cure Hex*" or a warr "Oh look...*Heal Sig*" then there's you "Oh sh-- sin run run run!" you need defense whether or not you like it a monk isn't always gonna be focused on you. <font color="#004466">Mooter  -  talk | contrib 18:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that arguement is valid as pressure sin builds dont have defense and they have 70 armor while this has 68 and -2 physical reduction. Again, listing healing as a counter is retarted.  Again, you are forgetting that you are not the only damage dealer on your team.  One player on the team that can put out this much damage constantly is quite powerful. Kite a warrior or sin if you have to, you will still do damage from glimmer and your pet!!!! Smity Smitington 18:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "Again, you are forgetting that you are not the only damage dealer on your team" Neither are they, regardless of THIS WHOLE talk page it comes down to the rating, toss into testing and go have a look :) <font color="#004466">Mooter  -  talk | contrib 18:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Neither are they" whats does that even mean? Im not throwing it into testing because ppl keep listing retarded critisicms and havent tested it. Smity Smitington 18:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Probably the highest DPS ele build possible."
 * Are you really telling me that this will out-dps a standard ele build? Ofc if this is the case then maybe this is a lot better than it looks, but seeing as a flare-spamming mesmer can get a dps of almost 70 (with DD & MoR admittedly), I'm doubtful that a better bulid couldn't outstrip that. 82.3.235.183 18:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its true, test it, I dont know any ele build that can pump out 90 dps constantly. Smity Smitington 18:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I calculate this would put out probably more like 100 or more raw dps, but you do have the drawback that this is all delivered in many small packets, so you suffer more from SoA, SH, AoS et.c. Also, by diversifying the damage sources you make it harder for enemies shut you down completely, but you make it easier for the to shut you down partially. A sinlge hex removal, blind, empathy etc could cut out ~1/3 of your damage easily and with no cover enchantment it's easy to remove your conjure (ok if your monk has vigourous that will synergise gr8 but you really can't rely on that). 82.3.235.183 18:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also theory is all well and good but in theory you could easily exceed 100 dps with the flare mesmer I mentioned if you added Lava Arrows and hit three people consistantly (plus some of that would be armour-ignoring and you'd have a slot for self-defense), but that's not gonna happen in real life. 82.3.235.183 19:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to actually understand this build. Smity Smitington 19:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying this build is good but when people quote bad reasons why a build is bad alongside good reasons just starts a big argument. It seems to me that this is probably better than it's getting credit for, but I'm not convinced it's better than most meta ele builds - you've got to remember that aside from raw damage, there's also utility and damage compression and stuff to take into account. 82.3.235.183 19:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Like you said, it has pros and cons, thats really the way you have to look at a build. Simply put it has higher dps than any other meta ele build, but has less defense and utility. I'm of the feeling that being able to push out this kinda dps makes up for its lack of a knockdown every thirty seconds and self defense.  Its all about huge pressure, while other builds are about smaller pressure with small utility and small defense.  Really this build works very well because even when you are shut down a bit it only effects 1/3 of your dps, not to mention when you can kick out the highest dps without any shut down you do so much pressure that monks even with shielding hands get exhausted after a while. Smity Smitington 19:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I should point out, however, that even if this were the highest dps ele build ever, sometimes being able to compress more damage into a smaller amount of time (e.g. spiking) is better than more overall (ofc this depends on the situation). 82.3.235.183 20:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats the difference between spiking and pressure, they're just two different ways a build can go, each has its own pros and cons. When anet says gw is balanced it's cus for the most part it is, when u add something to a build, you take something away, you cant have insane pressure and still have utility and spiking, you can't have good defense and stil have huge damage. Smity Smitington 20:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops, Gonna have to completely correct you there buddy.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright buddy, we've already discussed mind blast, but incase ur slow mind blast does 30 less dps, meteor is rly not huge utility, and it has good defense vs martial but is easily shut down through anti caster hexes and mesmer interupts. I'm not saying mind blast is a bad build but it has its own pros and cons, two different build, this one is higher pressure and is less easily shut down. Smity Smitington 20:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * DPS, High defense, utility, spike assistance, AoE Damage, energy management vs DPS. /thread+build-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 21:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The build has energy management, granted no AoE. Mind blast doesnt have much utiliy, a knockdown every 15-30 seconds isnt huge utility.  Spike assistance?  If you are refering to the knockdown then yes mindblast can assist a spike every 30 seconds, other wise this build being able to pump out 90dps is great for spike assistance.  So you suffer 30dps and being easily shut down by anti caster hexes to gain slight utility, a little aoe, and defense vs weapons.  Mind blast is absolutely a great build, but for somebody looking to do huge pressure its not the way to go. In some groups more dps is more important than the defense and occasional knockdown that mindblast offers, really just depends what kind of team configuration you are in.  I mentioned earlier that this build can do damage while kiting which gives it defense which isn't obvious to ppl looking at the secondary profession and instantly thinking it has to suck. Mind blast can just stand there and evade while spamming spells, this biuld can have glimmer and the pet deal damge to the warrior or sin on you while u kite them away from their monk. Smity Smitington
 * Rodgort's does 125 damage...MB Ele can spike assist... >_>

What's the point?
I may be missing something, but I honestly do not understand the reason for creating an Elementalist build focused on DPS. It seems to me that this build will be out-DPS'ed by simple Glass/Kindle Arrows + Conjure Ranger builds or Locust's Fury Assassin builds. Can you explain to me what the point of having pressure build on an Elementalist? AnOriginalConcept 22:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Both those builds are easily shut down by anti martial and evasion, as mentioned above this build is very resilient to shut down, shut down is only going to reduce the dps of this build not completely shut it out. Plus sin always has to be at melee range, majority of your damage here is ranged, besides the pet which is hard to kite because of call of haste. Glass arrows is simply not gonna match the dps of this build. Smity Smitington 22:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Running this on a ranger would probably be a better idea tbh, but it's still bad. Life   Guardian  00:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How would ranger be better when the majority of your damage comes from air magic? Smity Smitington 00:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, so a hypothetical warrior build that can knocklock would still be useless because blind/evasion would hamper it? Many of the vetted builds here don't have answers for all the things that can shut them down.  It's better to run a build that's very good at what it does than a build that is mediocre all the time.  At least, that's what I think.  AnOriginalConcept 00:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The aforementioned ranger build would probably contain Conjure Flame, Kindle Arrows, Burning Arrow, Lighting Reflexes, D-shot, Duel Shot, Antidote Signet, and Rez Sig. (Theorycraft.) I'd imagine that this would probably deal more DPS, as well as being resilient to blind, having an interrupt, and being able to block attacks. AnOriginalConcept 00:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ur still missing the point then because without talking about shut down this build does huge dps, much more than your proposed ranger build, and does it consistently non stop, it doesn't rely on an ias stance that is only maintainable 33% of the time. The build is not medioce at what it does just so that it can be resiliant to shut down, it is amazing at dps and as a consequence of how it works it is resiliant to shutdown. Smity Smitington 00:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Try your proposed build, I'm guessing it will do about 50 dps or less over the course of a minute or so, while this one will do 90 dps. Smity Smitington 00:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ranger with burning arrow and apply poison does big dommage. 32 DPS because of poison on everyone, plus BA does 70 damage just in burning. You also need to factor in that any competent player will switch to a lightning shield when getting beaten on by wanding and GM, making them a 78AL target, not 60 like the master of damage. Life   Guardian  00:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * True but +10 armor doesn't destroy this build we use master of damage as a base for determining DPS. The aforementioned ranger build original was talking about averages 39dps over 180 seconds on master of damage, good try.  Any competent player will switch to a +10 vs anything to counter anything so that arguement has no substance. Smity Smitington 01:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, i think u meant to say incendiary arrows. Smity Smitington 01:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nvm, ur talking about spreading poison. I tested the Burning arrows build and it gets 39dps over the course of 180 second, huge damage indead, and poison is only 8 damage a second. Smity Smitington 01:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Urbad? Poison is 8 DPS across 4 people=32 DPS. As a ranger, you can change your damage type to elemental or physical with a bowstring, which can nullify a shield if you watch your yellow numbers. Then again, the comparison is stupid because a BA ranger is nothing like this build. Life   Guardian  01:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, if ur talking about dps tho thats a reason to compare it to this. So u do 32 dps over the whole team + what, like 30 dps on the target ur attacking?? Still no way compares to the dps of this build.  Smity Smitington 01:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

(Indent reset) You're right, the BA ranger does deal less over a long period of time. It does deal around 90 while Lighting Reflexes is on. My new suggestion for a comparable damage source is anything with Wounding Strike, and ias. AnOriginalConcept 01:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * for that to be as reliable as this you would also need ims or a snare, plus i still doubt it's gonna do 90dps Smity Smitington 01:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One fcking block destroys this build...Sure you still get dps but it's shitty and most other high dps builds are good bcause they completely shut down a target, this will do nothing? Also this will be destroyed by almost any other character that does damage, there's no way to save this build...This build is basically "LOL 10 SECONDS OF 90 dps *dead*" Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 02:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

You
Stop being retarded. I'm talking to you Smity. You don't seem to be listening to what ANYONE on this wiki is saying. Everyone on this wiki except for you thinks that this build is bad, don't you think that's saying something? Please stop being a narcissistic douche licking horse vagina and just accept the build is bad. A large list of counters was wrote up for this build. You argued that most of those counters counter most builds. Then later on, you say that your build can counter one of those problems by having a monk on your team. This is RA, you're not always going to have a monk, and when you do it's usually a shit monk. If you want to deny ever stating that: "Degeneration? Have you ever heard of a monk?" - You. Farther down, Ikimono decides to show you the Mind Blast Distortion Ele build, to which you replied "...is easily shut down through anti caster hexes and mesmer interupts". You are only making yourself look dumber. Only a few thousand wasted kilobites of wiki space ago, you were blathering about how your build has a shitton of the same counters as the average build. To emphasize the point even further (in case you still don't understand), stating that your build has the same counters as other builds is absolutely not the way to convince us that it is good. Here is you saying "Listing counters to a build proves nothing as every thing has counters", then later on, you going into a big, long-winded paragraph about how your build having the same counters as some great builds makes it a good build. Good job. Now that I'm done bitching at you, I'm going to tell you why your build is bad so you can waste more wiki space by ragefacing at me after I've posted this comment: With love, + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  02:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) You have a pet on an Elementalist, which is stupid as all fuck. You don't gain any Expertise benefits, and your pet just deals less damage and gets in the way.
 * 2) You claim that this build is for pressure. the DPS for your build comes from...Glimmering Mark, wanding, and a pet autoattacking.
 * 3) This build is tagged for TA, AB, and RA. Ra I can understanding, seeing as warriors run Animate Flesh Golem and Signet of Capture. But in AB, this build is just horrible. Cap or do something useful pl0x. In TA, it doesn't even register on the average monk's attention span seeing as it will just get interrupted by d-shot then spiked down by...anything.
 * Glimmering Mark Wanders are strong. Drahgal Meir 02:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lyssan is strong. Life   Guardian  02:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * narcissistic douche licking horse vaginas are strong. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  02:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, Im going to go run this in TA. Brb. Drahgal Meir 02:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Now you need to explain that insult. Is it a narcissistic douche licking a horses vagina or is it a narcissistic horse vagina licking a douche? Life   Guardian  02:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lrn2indent. It's a narcissistic horse vagina licking a douche. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  03:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I did run this build b4 the comment i made :o...and douche licking ?? O.o Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude, I dont know what you guys are talking about, but this build is fucking strong. Drahgal Meir 03:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't ask me Baby, Smity is the one doing the licking, talk to him about it. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  03:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There's just to many ways for this builds dmg to be shutdown that it's funny...You can just shutdown the person which only gives them their pets dps, you can block which basically only gives them half of their dps, you can do so many other things to take out 1/3 of their dps. The last thing is that this build is not survivable and only has an easily destroyed dps to contribute for the team. But then again it is RA+AB and C+Space=Attack pet.... Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Blocking isn't a counter, you can swap targets so fucking fast its not even funny. Drahgal Meir 03:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Osht he switched targets!!! Nao wat??!!!111ONE! + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  03:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay I am done trolling good night, I will read your weak ragefacing tomorrow Smity. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  03:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if you say blocking isn't a counter there's still many more... Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I started out saying that there is no point to discuss counters, and as ppl kept discussing counters I naturally went more indepth into discuss them. I explained that unlike some builds, it is harder to completely shut down the damage from this build because you have damage coming from multiple sources. Quoting me and taking everything out of context to make me sound like a douche bag is fun and all but I really am only interested in hearing intelligent criticisms of the actual build. Smity Smitington 03:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Smity, stfu you are terrible. Drahgal Meir 03:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The point is that if even part of your dps is taken out then you become a normal character with no utility, no survivability, and nothing special to supply your team with. Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually most builds don't pump 50 dps. So you are a slightly above average player, with no utility. Drahgal Meir 03:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh 90 dps that is easily lowered is still not worth 7 skill slots... Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't stop it from being a strong build, while being incredibly fun. Drahgal Meir 03:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol getting flamed for using this build in RA is not fun... especially since it's RA =[ But I did kill some casters that completely ignored me :o Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You really care what people say to you in RA? Drahgal Meir 03:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Err..Don't think I said that o.o Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't rly get the arguement that you become an average player with no utility when u get shutdown, what happens to a normal build when they get shut down? They become completely useless. Smity Smitington 03:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Lol getting flamed for using this build in RA is not fun... especially since it's RA =[". Drahgal Meir 03:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry let me re-word that for you then, I care what ppl say to me in RA and it makes me :-[ Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 03:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Tags
Why take off ab and ta? Works great in ab and could work great in ta if you would take the time to incorporate it into a group which would compliment it. Smity Smitington 03:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * because you need AoE in AB, and in TA either you wont have enough damage, or monks are going to be able to counter it too easily. Drahgal Meir 03:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * More like 1 person in your cap group needs aoe. I can see why it might not be best for ta, not that monks can counter it too easily but that ranger could easily d-shot glimmer.  Combine it with an LC or CE necro and give monk vigorous spirit, most teams aren't gonna counter it too easily. Smity Smitington 04:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You are so freaking bad. Life   Guardian  04:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ty. I try to be. Build works great in ra (and ab imo).

Pr0s: C0ns:
 * One of the highest maintainable dps builds possible, wear down your opponents like you wouldn't believe.
 * Can quickly switch targets if target becomes protted.
 * Still does damage while you kite.
 * Sometimes best defense is a strong offense, its huge damage often times makes up for lack of defense.
 * You can use a shield at all times for increased armor, don't need benefits from caster offhand.
 * For the most part is not kiteable. IAS on wand, GM, and IMS and IAS on pet all contribute to this.
 * Resilient to complete shutdown, most other builds will easily be completely shut down through anti-martial or anti-caster.
 * It's halarious but still highly effective.
 * Uses simple concepts like wand auto attacking and pet auto attacking to acheive suprisingly high amount of dps, meaning most simple minds will flame it and won't understand it.
 * E-management is perfect.
 * Does damage in small packets, meaning it goes through major prot (prot spirit, spirit bond).
 * No defensive skills.
 * Low armor.
 * Although it is resilient to complete shutdown, it is more subject to partial shutdown.
 * No utility.
 * Primarly deals lightning damage therefore +10 armor vs lightning shields can be used to reduce its damage.
 * Predictable use of glimmering mark makes it subject to interupt from intelligent players, d-shot being a very powerful counter to GM.
 * Hex removal. If GM is the only hex your team is capable of producing good monks will remove it quickly.
 * Uses simple concepts like wand auto attacking and pet auto attacking to acheive suprisingly high amount of dps, meaning most simple minds will flame it and won't understand it.
 * Does damage in small packets, meaning minor prot can be quite effective against it (shielding hands, shield of absoprtion, Armor of Sanctity).
 * Also because damage is dealt in many small packets, it helps enemies gain adrenalin.

That list should pretty much cover what has been discussed here. Please try the build in RA or AB, you will have a blast and will be suprised at how much it owns. I'll take the thing into testing in a day or so hopefully once more ppl have tried it. This build is in a class of its own (bad you may say to yourself), but I think it deserves a home here simply as a "Good" RA build. Smity Smitington 06:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi again, your build suffers from a lack of focus, and you ignore basic game mechanics. You tested this in ra, where any build can seem to work well. Please read User:The Gates Assassin/60 Armor in the Frontline and User:The Gates Assassin/Lack of Build Focus for more information on why you should be listening to other people on this site, who play organized PvP where it matters what build you run.--Relyk 06:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for your time. I disagree with you.  The focus of the build is to pump out incrediably high DPS, which it does a great job at, and trys to do nothing else but pure DPS.  It doesn't have self defense, but please read the section in User:The Gates Assassin/Lack of Build Focus entitled "Why a defensive attacker build is bad".  Also, please read User:The Gates Assassin/60 Armor in the Frontline, and notice that this refers to AL60 characters that stay in the frontline.  E/R Glimmering Pet stays at caster range. Smity Smitington 06:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there Smity, User:WaffleZ LOL/How DPS builds generally fail would be good to check out that explains every counter argument sparing our pvx with your badness. 06:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi. It appears that my badassness, oh wait u said badness has leaked into the interweb.  your link fails to work. Smity Smitington 06:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * please help me help you stop being annoyed by me by helping me by helping yourself when it comes to posting stupid stuff. I would love to listen to you guys but you need to be intelligent. Smity Smitington 06:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You are fucking dumb.--Relyk 07:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude both the links u sent me were completely irrelevant to the build. You could have just left it alone seeing as I tried to make a fair list of the pros and cons and said that I would put it into testing soon, but instead you had to try to be a smart ass but just made yourself look stupid. Smity Smitington 07:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, to be fair, smity has at least just acknowledged all the main counters and cons of this build, and posting irrelevant or stupid stuff (it's quite right that this isn't a frontline build, for example, and plain insults don't help anyone). If you want to argue against the buld do so but rather take the list of pros and explain why they're small pros and take the list of cons and explain why they're large and outweigh the pros or whatever, calling ppl names is not nice :-( 82.3.235.183 11:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Can we end this? Wanding / 11-22 dmg = 16.5 ave / 33 ias = 1 attack every 1.1725 sec / conjure +19 = 30 dps. (lightning dmg) GM = 29 dps. (lightning dmg) Dire (!) pet = 17.5 dps Total = 76.5 dps on average. That is against a 60 AL target just standing still, doing nothing. While ~80 dps is not bad it takes your entire skill bar to do it and normally you'll get a counter to one of the three ways in which you do dmg at least (which means you'll do around 40-50 dps more likely). Your build will lose against any melee it comes across because you have no self defence and it will do less pressure then almost any other build because it has no utility (by that I mean you have nothing to help your team out, blind/block/heal/interrupts/conditions/anything). I'm sure it's a fun build, but for regular dps there are a lot better builds out there and for pressure also. Which makes this one mediocre. You can play it, but most people won't.SintAM 15:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually dire pet dps is (according to wiki) 18.7 with a 25% IAS, but with FA over CoH you get 25.6. 82.3.235.183 16:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually sintam is u stop being ignorant and test the build u will see that it gets 85-90dps consistently. You guys all expect me to just listen to u cus ur so pro at gw, but its hard for me to when all of your info is false. Smity Smitington 16:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I moved to testing
Rate this piece of shit and trash it quick so this can all stop. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  15:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Man, don't be stupid, just 'cos this is a wierd, incredibly noob-looking gimmick doesn't mean it has to be completely trash, and given your three points up the page, one and two are both stupid (who cares where dps comes from other than as concerns counters, dps is dps), though point three I agree with (this is funny in RA, could be run in TA but can't rly cap, and probably wouldn't be wise in TA). I'm not saying this is good but quit with the blind flaming pls it's annoying.
 * As for the actual build, Feral Aggression > Call of Haste, as it does much more damage (though it costs more). Shock Arrow is a way of getting energy management while doing bonus dmg too but with only 4 ES it's not enough (at least not if you take FA anyway)... possibly this might work on a ranger if it could be made to work at all. 82.3.235.183 16:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

While I'm not saying this build is exceptional, it's only tagged for two arenas where organization isn't needed and will never happen. And we DO have builds vetted on PvX that ONLY work in places like Kurzick Fort Aspenwood (Looking at the old Thunderbow, among others.) There's no need for all the insult flying all over the place. A simple, it's good for where it's labeled but ineffective else wear would have sufficed, not all this 'fail build' and 'piece of shit' and other derogatories. At least the guy's trying to be creative, which should count for more than it's credited. We don't need more builds with the cheap, overpowered, and overused elites. No more Mind Blast, no more SF/SH, no more RoJ. Make unique builds. More GM/IL, more Gust, more Mind Burn, and more WoC, ect. <font color="Green">Kaze 16:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Kinda the point I was making, it's not necessarily the greatest build ever, but don't flame it for the sake (I mean, just because it's an ele/pet build?). After all, everyone thought Wars with daggers were auto-fail and then they started using them in HA and they got Great-rated (until they got nerfed, ofc). 82.3.235.183 16:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually loled pretty hard yesterday when i faced someone using this build while i was monking. So many tiny numbers. So easy to negate.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 16:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not flaming b/c its a noobish gimmick with a pet on an ele, I'm flaming it because just irrevocably horrible. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  16:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "I'm not flaming b/c its a noobish gimmick with a pet on an ele, I'm flaming it because just irrevocably horrible".
 * See, this is an example of what's not needed. Hell, one shouldn't be flaming at all. It's totally uncalled for. Just because it's not liked by some people, doesn't mean yu have the right to berate the creator for something different. <font color="Green">Kaze [[Image:Smilie_v2_Pikmin_Yellow.gif]] 16:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whether you think it is horrible or not, the fact is it is very fun to play, and 9/10 of the time it utterly owns in RA, and is not as easy to shutdown and negate as everyone keeps saying. I post stuff on this site to get good feedback on builds, and I am very opened to good (intelligent) feedback, but when you guys keep listing just plain false information and mindless flaming I have to defend the build. All I ever look to do is create an agreed list of pros and cons for a build and let the vetting take it from there. Smity Smitington 17:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

It's funny, I think my comment a little way up was completely accurate, no flaming involved and actually mentioned you had decent dps. In return you called me ignorant and didn't adress any points I made only to counter by saying that the ~80 dps I calculated was wrong because it's 80-90 dps. Woopdedoo? SintAM 17:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * u said 76.5 dps on average from a simple calculation u performed which was just wrong. Smity Smitington 17:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the point that ppl keep posting stuff on here without testing and end up providing inaccurate information, then I go on to defend it and get flamed. Smity Smitington 17:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If u dont like being called ignorant dont post incorrect information. Smity Smitington 17:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Trash
GG. IMO, we should delete it straight away, no need for silly builds like this anywhere near the wiki. --Saberhagen (My Talk) 17:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's sad rly, I have a feeling ppl are just being vengeful and haven't tried it at all. Smity Smitington 17:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * or this build is just really bad and you're narcissistic. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  17:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, Ive used it alot and know that it works nicely in ra and ab. Smity Smitington 17:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its funny how EVERYBODY on this site uses the word narcissistic to describe ppl that dont instantly bow down to them and accept what they say no matter how irrelavent or incorrect it is. Smity Smitington 17:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's funny how narcissistic you are. and tbh, only me and one other person have used that word so far. Also, nobody is going to take your word for it, you being very new to the site, nobody knowing your knowledge/skill about the game, and you being the author of the build. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  17:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont expect ppl to take my word for it i expect them to test it before flaming it and vetting it. Smity Smitington 18:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, judging by what you said earlier, you sir, are a liar: "It's sad rly, I have a feeling ppl are just being vengeful and haven't tried it at all". Based on that comment, it seems you DO want people to test it out. Stop contradicting yourself pl0x. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  18:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ...dude, lol, try to read a little bit slower maybe you will find your error. Smity Smitington 18:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

-Sigh- This is why I don't submit my own build to PvX anymore. People here aren't constructive or offer any valuable criticism. It's always nothing more than rude flaming. Always 'fail build sux' this and 'uninstall and go die for making this' that. Never anything useful to assist in furthering the build because the community here auto-hates anything that doesn't flaunt the cheap skills like RoJ and MBlast. <font color="Green">Kaze 18:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop wasting wiki space please, Q_Q somewhere else. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  18:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Tch. I'll not be told what to do by the kind of person I dislike the most. My statements ring true to anyone with at least half a brain. Damn elitists think they run the place... <font color="Green">Kaze [[Image:Smilie_v2_Pikmin_Yellow.gif]] 18:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is what almost every single person on pvx says when they post bad builds that get trashed. We don't trash them and dislike them because they aren't meta, we dislike them because they're usually crap builds with much better alternatives. If you don't like how PvX works because we only accept good builds, go to guild wars guru and post your builds there, most people there have even less than half a brain. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  18:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There's the core of the problem. The community definition of 'Good' builds is tainted. Anything not considered 'normal' is automatically labeled as bad and dealt with without proper tests or consideration. I had hundreds upon hundreds of great working builds I created myself on templates until my old laptop was stolen, but the ones I got to display on my wiki space got raged at for the very reasons I just stated.


 * And 'just because it works better' shouldn't be reason to disregard all others. The mindset of 'winning battles by any means necessary' is a practice that shouldn't even be considered, but near all players carry this horrible train of thought.<font color="Green">Kaze [[Image:Smilie_v2_Pikmin_Yellow.gif]] 18:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You had "hundreds upon hundreds" of great working builds. I'm sure. Who decided that those builds were great? You? Nobody's going to take your word for it if something is a great build or not, so please just shut up and gtfo or get better. + <font color="#004466">ℓγ <font color="#005566">ss <font color="#006666">άή <font color="#007766">[rage]  18:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I called them great because they did their jobs perfectly. Never any glaring counters and easy to use and manage. But because I had a preference for odd skills, they were never even considered. I will never conform to the tainted ideals for cheap, easy, and hollow victories. But whatever helps yu sleep at night. I'm not getting into an insult war with someone who has nothing to offer but mindless and baseless flaming.<font color="Green">Kaze [[Image:Smilie_v2_Pikmin_Yellow.gif]] 18:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Seriously...?
Why has this had so many comments? why? I say it should just be trashed because there is no point for an lol build. they haven't added the section, or it'd be great for it. This is a joke. Why waste time even spending so many comments on this thing. Plz, someone just hurry and get this off pvx... god.  Akio _Ka  t  suragi    19:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Anything that Smity posts gets massive amounts of drama because he doesn't know how to defend shit without being a shitter. Life   Guardian  19:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a just for lolz build, just happens to produce lolz by the fact that it's an ele with a pet that attacks with a wand. Also, I wouldn't feel the need to defend like crazy if more ppl actually tested the build before posting irrelavant and straight up false information. To a new comer reading the sites guidelines, it is quite confusing that one of the rules is to be polite and provide constructive criticisms yet such is very rare among even the people who most likely contributed to those guidelines in the first place.  Like I have said before, test the build and don't theory craft why it wouldn't work cuz I'm just gonna point out why you are wrong when you are wrong, I'm not gonna bow at your feet and pretend I don't have a mind to know what is wrong just because you are leet pvxers top guild gvgers.  I appreciate the critisms that were correct of the build, which I have listed in the pros and cons list, I completely acknowledging them. Smity Smitington 19:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This build is bad.<font color="green" size="2px">ViNcE [[Image:Manly Elite Skill.jpg|19px]] 19:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ty for that constructive critique and for your politeness. I hope you got a good chuckle out of it. Smity Smitington 19:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm usually quite calm. But please. STFU. People have made plenty of comments on this. Anyway, the only profession that is good with pets is Ranger. And ele shouldn't have one. Your lucky this hasn't been posted on the 1337 builds section yet. --Saberhagen[[Image:User_Saberhagen_Wiki_Sig.JPG|19 px]] (My Talk) 19:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "The only profession that is good with pets is Ranger" is simple and lacks substance, try a "Imo, the only profession that is good with pets is Ranger because they can achieve higher levels of beast mastery and can spam pet skills due to Expertise." A pet happens to be approptiate for this build as it is a great way to stack damage ontop of glimmering mark, and beast mastery grants access to a 100% maintainable 33% ias which is also very appropriate because weapon auto attacking is another great way to stack damage ontop of GM, combined with conjure lightning this build does alot of DPS.  If this was an E/R build with a pet and did less damage than other ele builds or didn't have something unique to offer (90dps maintainanble), then I would agree with you. Smity Smitington 20:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Gais, less drama, this build is trashed anyway. <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 20:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

DPS
After attacking the Master of Damage for two minutes...it's 73 dps not 80-90 Babies Deserve Lazers bite me please 21:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * True, I step back. I'm getting the 80-90 dps from what it will do in 10 second bursts at a time, casting GM every ten seconds will give u one second where u dont do much damage, and casting air attunement and GoLE.  There are slight down times but most of the time u will be putting out >80. Smity Smitington 22:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So then User:SintAM was right and ur a shitter for flaming him? Life   Guardian  23:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * His number matched the two minute average, but he was trying to calculate the 10 second dps, factoring in cast times and the like his numbers would have yeilded a two minute average of ~60dps. Smity Smitington 00:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am sorry tho for saying previously that it gets a maintainable 80-90 dps, that wasn't 100% accurate becauses I failed to mentioned the casting downtimes. And I am sorry for calling him ignorant, I was fed up with ppl posting stuff without testing it, but he still wasn't correct in his calculations. Smity Smitington 00:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can use Shock Arrow and/or Feral Aggression to increase that DPS, though with both you probably won't have the required energy. 82.3.235.183 10:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Or and I don't think what SintAM said before took into account weapon mods which would increase the wanding dps, either. 82.3.235.183 10:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This build is terrible because it produces only slightly above-average DPS without having any utility or defense whatsoever. Also, it's very easily countered by almost any build. It's vulnerable to both anti-caster and anti-melee, as well as just pure damage (ups, your pet died, now you're fucked for 5-10 seconds). Other builds might have one or two of these counters but very rarely all three. Of course, I know you argue that it isn't as easily shut down completely, but to be honest, most good builds can't be completely shut down either. Mind Blast takes a hit from anti-caster, yeah, but most skills can't completely shut it down. Backfire only lasts half the time, which is basically just halving the DPS (about the same this gets, but from EVERYTHING). Oh, and really ele's aren't meant for DPS. If you want DPS, go with a warrior, or one the new dagger pressure builds. This is just gimping yourself in so many ways. -- Jai Goes <font color="Purple">Monksassin Monksassin-icon.png 02:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

this builds fucking great!
 * I think I just mallyx

Into meta pleaes, solo'd DoA HM with tihs http://i.imgur.com/lxkzU.jpg -- GWPirate 关 14:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Dear god.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  14:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You should've removed SF out of that list next time (for example) <font color="black" face="script ms bold">Shadow  <font color="darkblue" face="script ms bold">Chivalry  14:38, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The build is bugged, it gives you perma shadow form.  RąʂKɭɘş ♣  14/f/japan  15:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)