Build talk:R/A Moddok Crevice Corsair Farmer

Discussion
Neat little farm, thanks for adding it. A few points/questions:
 * (1)  Would dropping heart of shadow allow to improve the farm? You can glitch through the corsair warrior block in both directions without a shadow step and unless I missed something you only use heart of shadow to traverse the corsair line.
 * (2)  Is the IMS in Dunkoro's build needed? If not, we can drop that variantbar off the page and simply keep the instruction to flag Dunkoro away.
 * (3)  Does this build require a specific delver title rank for dwarven stability?
 * (4)  Does "caster modded weapon" include a sword handle of enchanting? If so, that should be stated explicitly on the page to avoid readers' confusion.
 * (5)  Since this farm requires good timing and some precise positioning an exemplary video would be neat. :)
 * (6)  General question towards all active PvX users; should this keep its own page or get included to the whirling defense farm page that's linked to in the see also section?

Cheers, --Krschkr (talk) 16:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Heya ! I'll try to answer your questions.
 * 1 : It might be possible to replace Heart of Shadow with something else, true. The heal on the second Heart of Shadow is somewhat important though, so another defensive skill is probably needed in that case.
 * 2 : The IMS on Dunkoro shaves off a few seconds on each run. It's not essential but it's useful !
 * 3 : Rank 5 is ideal. Added a little note.
 * 4 : You're right ! Added a little note.
 * 5 : Aha, unfortunately videos are not really my thing. Maybe Mozo can help, if he likes this farm ^_^
 * Feydslynox (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as (6) goes, the only Whirl Farms not under the generic Whirl Farmer is the Build:R/A_Mantid_Farmer which is also already in the generic page (redundant? kept as a counterpart to the A/R version?), and 1 Hero City Farmer which probably has specific enough usage to warrant its own page, though I can see it either way. If a video can be added for this as demonstration it should be enough to condense into the generic Whirl Farmer, no? P e W  :>  20:41, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I grabbed TaO! and gave it a shot; this is after around 30 mins of getting the hang of it. Test Video Impressions, bearing in mind I'm like 8 years rusty on pve:
 * Dodging nets & projectiles makes a hell of a difference on the initial pull. Perfect world you end up behind the rock waiting for the Captain at full HP without recasting any defensives.
 * Both activation point of SoH and speed of dialogue -> Whirl to cancel is v important; I had the best success popping SoH on the "jutting rock". Not getting either one can scuff your run.
 * SoH-ing too early and/or pulling the warriors too far back can lose aggro of the boss. (When trying to re-ball a split rangers group)
 * Idk, any further thoughts? P e W  :> 17:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes ! Your video is EXACTLY how the run should be done. Thank you !
 * Dodging nets is important, yes. To dodge them I found it easier to just 180° flip the camera when the falling group pops and then just walk away (paying attention to aggro on the compass on the way) towards the captain's group but... it's not that important, those net things are uber slow. What you did (strafing) is fine too.
 * Also, the "jutting rock" is the best spot, you're totally right. And dialogue -> Whirl needs to be fast, yep. Again, Thanks for the vid ! Feydslynox (talk) 18:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. --Krschkr (talk) 18:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting Farm! Just curious as to why you would want to farm here though. Just for the q8 Colossal Scimitar?  I have not played around with it yet, but it seems like it would be an exceptionally rare and specific drop to warrant doing this over and over again.  Unless someone is really dedicated.  Is there something else nice that drops here?  MozoGW (talk) 20:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, what about having Dunkoro take Holy Veil, and just manually cancel it if you get netted? Would only work once, but it might help. MozoGW (talk) 20:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The q8 Colossal would be the holy grail and the main reason to be here I think, yeah. Last I checked there were only 2 or 3 in game? Otherwise the note about getting runes was spot on; of ~20 gold unids I got in the time I was there, all but 3 or 4 were armour. I did also get a q8 non-max bow there, so the possibility of other q8 insc weapons is there? Getting netted doesn't really change anything except speed of that run, you just end up in Shroud range on the initial pull and might end up pretty low if you don't wait to regen a little before getting the dialogue. P e W  :> 20:58, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Mozo ! Glad to see you ! IIRC the mobs between level 17 and 21 are the only ones where q8 max gold drops are possible. That usually restricts those drops to Normal Mode foes & (low-level) chests, which makes farming them absolutely impossible. However, few places exist in the game where enemies in Hard Mode are level 20 (within that 17-21 range!) : some of them are the Slave Spirits (it explains that sick q8 Ancient Shield, gz :P) and the Corsairs of Moddok ! The Colossal Scimitar is the 500a dream, but those Corsair mobs can drop anything in the regular Corsair Rangers/Warriors/Paragons loot table in q8 with the added gold item bonus drop rate of Hard Mode, it's great !
 * Also, the time saved bypassing the dialogue means this is now better and "somewhat worthwile" as a regular "general drops" gold item farm (it's still clearly inferior in terms of time/mobs killed to the best farms here, you're absolutely right).
 * Holy Veil can work, and is a very good option as an additional safety measure ! Feydslynox (talk) 21:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Just tried it out. Don't need holy veil.  You do not even need to worry about the nets.  As long as you are moving, the nets will not hit you.  Just keep walking backwards and make the turn and get behind the rock.  I also seem to get an armor piece every other run.  Good for farming runes too from the 10 or so runs I tried.  Seems interesting especially if it is actually a viable q8 farm.  Might make a video on this :)  MozoGW (talk) 01:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Finally got around to making that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKkMC1zCHPo
 * Should the video on the page be replaced or leave as is? I'll let you guys decide. MozoGW (talk) 17:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Variantbar name
The variantbar's name needs to be attributable to this page, as the variantbar name and template are grabbed by the buildpack script. --Krschkr (talk) 00:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Undid the edit. Didn't realize it needed to be like that.  MozoGW (talk) 01:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Derv Variant
Not as fast, but doesn't require any special equipment. Also allows for limited campaign farming (Nightfall only) Ogek8Jp4Kzq03G7F316Vu4+FCUPI

Nightfall only-version: Ogek8Jp4Kzq03G7F316l51+1cWPI --X XV X (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)