Build talk:Team - AB Dual Melee

Since this is basically half of all AB builds. It's lolmerge. --  Guild  of   Deals   07:43, 2 November 2008 (EST)

This build is extremely vague. killA runa   Leet! 19:58, 6 November 2008 (EST)

-- Shadow 21:28, 6 November 2008 (EST)


 * This is mainly because of the influx of builds that contain 2 random physical damage dealers (Warriors, Dervs, etc) and then just a Nuker and Monk. It's meant for merges. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]]  Guild  of   Deals   21:31, 6 November 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah i want to merge now when i noticed the flux.-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 23:41, 19 November 2008 (EST)
 * Mafa is bad-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 11:22, 20 November 2008 (EST)
 * You only need sh->searing/teinais heat/rodgorts to cap monk shrines, bring both heats is overkill-- Shadow Relyk [[Image:Relyk srs.gif|19px]] 02:57, 29 November 2008 (EST)

AB Team builds?
Of course they're going to be vetted great, you're bringing in generic meta builds and organisation to AB. AB! I don't see the point of having team builds because of course you're going to roll anything thrown at you. Just make a guide, generic monk + nuker + second nuker (if you're sexy) and maybe a boom headshot shock axe... 89.240.209.75 13:16, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Ele bars
You only need ms if ur solo capping, but ur not here. sh+sf+ri is plenty enuf to cap all the shrines with your group. sf shouldnt bring aoes anyways. mb needs both aoes to kill quickly. You dont need a heal either unless its personal choice, otherwise you can bring support such as sw or wow.-- Christmas Relyk  20:48, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Variant to Nuker
Add a MoP Curses Necro as a variant of the ele? Getting more AB builds posted with it. May as well incoporate them into this as they use 2 physicals. Spaggage  talk  17:55, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Added. Spaggage  talk  15:47, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ugh, whatever then... Spaggage  talk  21:59, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

ZB
Do we really need that much healing to take Mend Condi and Draw? 01:06, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Merge
Compress all Dual X melee teams onto this? Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   00:36, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seeing nobody particularily cares, can a more smarter wiki user merge the other two pages for this. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 20:27, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Update
Thinking of updating the build with a moderate rewrite. I was thinking of making the first physical to always be a warrior with the second being any of the vetted physical professions. Changing the midliner to always being a / and bringing FB regardless. With the monk being any of the three vetted AB builds. Thoughts? -- Amor  11:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Completely useless
Can anyone give a good reason that this should actually remain on PvX? I'm deleting it before I go to sleep if no such reason can be provided. --  Toraen   talk  20:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because people actually run a dual physical-esque team in AB. If it bothers you so much, why not have it in guide form instead? It's used very frequently, and if it wasn't (although I fail to see why it would in the first place) the build's proposed page wouldn't be here in the first place. Vincent Evan  [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 22:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think he means in the sense that it's mass optionals, in both proffessions and skill slots. That sounds much more like a guide than a build page to me. I understand that the build is a mass of optionals, but look how that's gone in the past. PewPew   QQ   23:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It needs to actually be a build. If there is an optimal dual physical, post it. If smite vs. curses vs. channeling as your midline are different but roughly equal, give them their own pages with recommended frontliners that work best for those midliners. This page itself is worthless because it basically says "make your own dual physical team". --  Toraen   talk  23:28, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So that's a yes on making it a guide? Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 03:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It should be deleted and replaced with Mooway-- Relyk 03:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Bandwagon votes are lulzy. I'll make this into a guide before the grace period ends, because honestly, unless you're an uneducated, arrogant shitter, you would know that people, one way or another, actually run a dual physical team. The point is, however, that what at least this build page was made before a massive sweep, was at least centralize the concurrent, and branch team builds of the popular builds that consist of double melee. We don't need to be getting repeat builds with X double melee, and so forth. But, odds are this guild can at least set a standard and/or a guideline for dual physicals. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 20:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. I'm well aware that people run dual physical teams in AB, but a page that says nothing other than that isn't what people use this site for. A suggestion though, make this (and any pages split from this) dual melee rather than dual physical. Rangers and paragons are midline roles and shouldn't be lumped in with running two melee, since the team's overall playstyle will be different enough to warrant a different page and rating. Using a ranged character seems more like a balanced variant. --  Toraen   talk  21:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

...
You may as well have made a page saying "take 4 characters" Rawr 17:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * there is really no benefit from this page. it has the same usefulness as a pve page with " take 6 randoms and two monks - don't bring more than two melee" . I'd strongly advise deletion of this page, its not useful in guide form either. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  18:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was set for deletion but someone set it back to trial form.. Roland 18:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I did that because someone was doing a rewrite in their userspace. I think it was vince, but I don't remember. If it falls into abandoned I'll just delete it then. --  Toraen   talk  18:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I could write it up, but seeing this has so many varieties in melee or even the midline, it may just be better to write up a guide. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 18:56, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There are six AB guides on here already, but they could do with updating. Most of the stuff from this page could probably go here. Symeon 19:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Fixes and Frequency
Alright, so, I finally got around to just writing a more solid, and up-to-date page of the dual Physical team. As I stated earlier, there are many, many variants to this. Luckily though, there were a lot more when this build was made relative to now. It's very safe to say that nobody will get decent success if they stray from using the standard elementalist bars. You can't really choose MB or Invoke over one another. Both are fairly popular by the actual people who play AB competitively (which there is.) As for the the warrior builds, I just decided to "main-build" Eviscerate because standard shock axe has been around forever and still proves its might everyday. Not to say Dev hammer doesn't, but at least Dev hammer is in the secondary choices. THOSE TWO warrior builds are interchangeable with one another, but when making the secondary frontliner, I wanted more meta builds while keeping it open to whatever. Therefore, I chose the 3 most popular builds for their category: WC, AoB, and Dev.

This build was already once 5-5, it just desperately needed a re-write after my astonishing mess I made long ago. It's still great, and is just as popular as Balance. There is no need to vett something that is known to work at a high level, especially one that already has been vetted into the great category and is a staple team build in its arena. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   23:11, 6 October 2011 (UTC)