PvXwiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 11

HM Builds
Hey all, someone recently asked if we could add a HM tag for builds. We've had this conversation in the past a few times, and it's always decided not to. It's been a while since this last came up, so I see no reason not to have another discussion about it and see what you all think. Just a note on this, it would be easy to implement, so there's nothing to worry about there.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  12:07, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be for it. More categories means simpler searches. ···  Danny So Cute   18:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support.  ~  Short  ~  18:23, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * So then we'd start storing NM buildds as well?
 * Brb, claiming with 8x
 * Brb, claiming with 8x


 * Brandnew 19:12, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well this is what we're discussing, do we want a HM tag, or do we just generally say if it doesn't work in HM that we don't want it? If we had it and we stored NM builds, i'd imagine it would just be a case of if it doesn't have a HM tag, then it's designed for NM. *I don't care either way at this point btw*  ~ PheNaxKian talk  19:17, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd argue that if it doesn't work in hard mode it's not worth keeping. With the exception of a few specific farming builds, iIf it works in hard mode it works better than a dedicated normal mode build would by definition--TahiriVeila 19:19, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * No point really - most builds work in both, just need a couple of variants. A ndy 19:31, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Realistically, there's only a couple of farming builds that don't work in HM - that's about it, everything else is fine in HM so I don't think its worth creating another category, or even another tag (similar to the dungeon ones) since the pages are already getting too busy. In fact everything is currently for hard mode, except the running build for the first half of Slavers (which doesnt need to be for HM), farming builds (doesn't matter if they're HM or NM for certain things) and some elite area heroway builds. No changes need to be made imo. - Athrun Feya - 20:36, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Disregard my initial support. For some reason, I was thinking there was a point to going into NM. ···  Danny So Cute   21:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ exactly. I don't see a point in separating the two. Hopefully most of our PvE builds are for HM. If they don't work in HM, then they may work in NM, but who cares? If it does work in HM, then you know it'll roll NM. Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] Jesus  16:20, 29 January 2010
 * There technically was a "normal mode-only" builds section called "Other", but was dropped due to being inferior compared to Great/Good builds designed for both modes. ^_^ --96.240.34.47 04:40, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Password Reset & pvxwiki.com accounts
Hi, were the old pvxwiki.com accounts ported across to wikia, and should I be able to recover/reset the password?, Could just be an email glitch but I'd like to avoid creating multiple accounts if I can :) -- Nela / 82.70.173.139 20:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey! when we moved to wikia there were a few changes with account names:
 * If the account name on PvX existed on Wikia, the username became "PVX-Username" (not to sure if it's "PVX" or "PvX" though, off the top of my head)
 * If the account on PvX existed on wikia, and you were the owner of both, you could request a merge (I Take it this isn't the case with you)
 * Finally, if your username on PvX wasn't already registered on Wikia, it was simply ported across as is.
 * As for password, I'm fairly sure there's a "forgot my password" link on the login in screen =). Hope that helps.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  20:37, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply, all my history/etc was ported to User:Nela, but since I can't recover a password on that account I've created PVX-Nela. -- PVX-Nela 21:39, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * is there a reason you can't recover the password? <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  21:51, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not aware of any obvious reason, but there's countless possibilities like Yahoo mail going funny on me again :) -- PVX-Nela 04:03, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * hmm odd. All i can say to that is check it over the next few days (and your spam folder as well). If it doesn't work you could try contacting wikia though I'm not sure how much help they'll be =s. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  11:39, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Moving Pages
I need to move a page to the trial for ra and ab and stuff and i but the trial box in there but it doesnt show up &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Caplan (talk &bull; contribs) 14:01, May 21, 2010 (UTC).
 * You can move a build by clicking the "move" tab at the top of the page. In order to get the "trial box", you need to add the following tag - <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:01, 21 May 2010

I still have the box and everything and have it moved to it's own build page i just can't get it to show up under the trial page under ra and stuff

A healthy community project!
. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 18:10, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Another one! -- -Chaos- (moo!) -- 10:22, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Moving from Wikia
Hey everyone. As you all know wikia are implementing their new skin over the next few weeks. At the same time they're making various other changes (such as phasing out monaco (I believe monobook will stay, but they've not expressly said so in the last post, so it's anyone's guess).

Now Guild wiki have been talking about leaving wikia (click the link for more info). Guild wiki's don't appear to be the only ones contemplating this (WoWiki is thinking about it as well it seems).

While (assuming monobook stays and the wikiwide css/js still function for monobook) chances are we'll be, for the most, unaffected, I'd like to suggest we follow suit (I'd also rather not live with that assumption, it's a whole one wiki that's keeping monobook there atm, so it could happen later down the line anyway =/).

If we moved to another host (see the GW link for the various ones that they're looking at (Curse.com seems the favoured one currently)) we'd get to keep monobook. There'd probably be the odd ads here and there, but nothing major. In some cases they also allow us to run the wiki (so we could set up additional extensions, and possibly update the skill DB (including implementing improvements such as making PvP skills work properly) manually).

Just a quick note on one specificaly: Curse.com. This is the place that the Guild Wars Guru forums recently moved to. Obviously if both GW and PvX moved there, that'd be a huge plus for all sites (we'd probably all get a bit more traffic, which is always nice).

Anyway, this is my small rant/wall of text. The idea is that I'd like to see what the community thinks of this. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  21:51, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not overtly trusting of Curse, personally. But anything has to be better than Wikia. I'm all for jumping ship. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">01:31, 1 October 2010  (UTC)
 * I'm in. Wikia's got a few nice guys, but, for the most part, it's a conglomerate of overly bureaucratic assholes - or at least that's what they come off as. Daññy 02:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine by me, even though my opinion really amounts to nothing here. -- Jai . - <font color="#7A7A7A"> 02:59, October 1 2010 (UTC)
 * Talking to curse now, they're pretty chill. They just want one ad and they won't touch our skin, and they'll let us update our skill database as we wish.
 * They mentioned the possibility of having to make new accounts once we're there. The user database would be our own, so we wouldn't have to compete with other wikis or anything, but that might be annoying. Getting a database dump would help the process immensely, but we probably can't get one from Wikia. Does anyone have an old one lying around? Did we make some before the Wikia move? - Auron 03:23, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt we made one. Phen would know. Curse sounds good. The sooner the better. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">03:43, 1 October 2010  (UTC)
 * ^I really want to be able to fix/update the pvxbig extension ourselves. And not have a horrible fixed-width layout that would require us to restructure every page. --Toraen 03:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The skill bars fit well within the fixed width; most pages look fine. The portals would need some redesign. For now, only the main namespace gets the sidebar, so the Build: namespace and the others are ok; but of course Wikia might notice and extend that to all content namespaces later.
 * I'm running the New Look right now and can provide screenshots; please request on my talkpage. I've never used URL modification so much to get where I need to be going than with this skin (though working on an answers wiki came close). The interface is awful, the important links are strewen all over the page, if they exist at all. Avoid at all costs! -- ◄mendel► 07:45, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not really expecting that Wikia will leave other namespaces alone for very long. --Toraen 19:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Special:Statistics has a request button that creates a current article database dump some time later (if it isn't broken again). However, the "real" database the wiki runs on has a lot more information; there won't be user data in it. Unless GCardinal or whoever had server access back then exported the "real" database, you probably won't get the user database. If you have the images in a zip, they can be imported into the new wiki easily; I'd use AWB to get a listing of File: namespace (with the "make list" tool) and turn that into a list of Media: links, have the wiki process that and feed the resulting list of URLs into a download manager to get a full image backup. (post on my talk if you're attempting to follow these instructions and find them unclear (which is all too probable)). -- ◄mendel► 07:50, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * New accounts? Dose this mean banned users will have a second chance?  Will voting be affected or stay the same?  Just wondering what we will loose when we gain other features.--<font color="#0000ff"> X <font color="#696969"> TREME 11:58, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most banned users won't come back, we can ban any that bother. I'm pretty lenient with banned people as long as they reform and don't do stupid shit (like igor), but it's the ones that make a new account and just get banned again that I have problems with.
 * Voting will be the same - we'll have all the extensions we currently do. I'm not sure about the image/video embedding yet, I think it's a popular feature, but it's wikia's invention afaik so we'll have to get curse to put in something similar on the new wiki (if we go over).
 * Anyone mind throwing a sitenotice up? We shouldn't make this decision without input from more people. - Auron 12:14, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rask. Igor has been well behaved.
 * Chances are Wikia released it as an actual MW extension, so it can be downloaded from MW and installed.
 * I threw one up last night, it didn't appear for me, but it showed up on my alter ego account (before I get "OMG you're socking!" it's completely obvious that it's me and I never use the account for anything other than test purposes >>).
 * I believe mendel has said everything about DB dumps =). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  12:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, abandoning wikia at the earliest possible convenience sounds wonderful. We should have done it years ago xD My only question is to whether or not curse will be as hands off as they say, didn't they impose some new moderation requirements on guru when they switched over to curse?--TahiriVeila 15:42, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fuck Wikia.           -- Jai  .   - <font color="#7A7A7A"> 18:50, October 1 2010 (UTC)

If we can find another place, then ye obviously. It can't be much worse than this :p -- DANDY ^_^ -- 19:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * We moved to wikia so we didn't have to pay for the servers and (partially) to follow suit with guildwiki. It would be worth moving to curse just so we can update the database though, I think it puts many visitors off that we can't "bother" to keep the skills updated on time.-- Relyk  talk  20:05, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * *sigh* That wasn't the case =/. We had no trouble with paying for the server with ads (hence why we stuck with them for a while). We moved simply because GCardinal couldn't be bothered (i's simplifying a lot, basically RL got in his way) to continue maintaining the site, so he decided that it was better to move to wikia where they could continually maintain the wiki (i.e. update MW software which was neglected for a long time (hence why we got hacked and lost 2 weeks of data)).
 * As for Curse. I can't say how hands on they'll be with the wiki on this end, but they seem like they'll help out back end from what i've been told (so if we're having a bit of trouble with something they'll have someone lend a hand). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  20:14, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * "cba" = humanely can't pay ~200$/month or sth, iirc :D Maybe I remember wrong tho -- DANDY ^_^ -- 20:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression pvx was barely getting by on ads but of course i didn't really pay attention back then...-- Relyk  talk  20:27, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Would moving break our interwiki links, or is that stored as a shortcut somewhere (i.e. there's a thing somewhere that parses gww:Frenzy to, similar to parsing as it does)?

If both GuildWiki and PvX were hosted by Curse, could we have the skill data stored in one place? Could we even theoretically pull skill data straight from GuildWiki's skill pages?

For clarification - we moved mostly because Gcard wasn't going to put up with us. Hosting a wiki is apparently expensive when you have a house and family to worry about (not that I'd know). He felt he didn't have the money to support hosting costs - and I'm sure we all remember the disaster that was the donation trial - or the time to code up site-specific things (anyone remember ?) and for whatever reason didn't want to involve other people. I think there were a few more reasons, but they were all more on the personal side.

Updating the mediawiki software was postponed for so long at least partially because the ratings extension wasn't compatible, as I recall.

I personally am not fond of Curse, but it's good enough for Boub, and I'll be running around with ABP anyway.

-- Armond Warblade 21:47, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that a lot of GCard's issues stemmed from a private hosting environment (i.e. an expensive hosting package). The gww: links are parsed and could be applied, and yes, theoretically we could pull information from the GWiki db if Curse were to let us. I don't know MediaWiki API, but I can't imagine any of these things would be terribly difficult. -- Danny is not 23:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe all inter-wiki links are stored in some file server side (index.php probably >>), so they can be re-added if needed.
 * It's possible, we could inquire about it. As long we can edit the DB ourselves, or Curse keep ontop of it, i don't see a huge issue though.
 * I get money was an issue, but I don't like the insinuation that money was the only reason.
 * Yeh, i remember, but i was just pointing out that GCard didn't have the time (as you mentioned because of RL) to sort out the compatibility problem so we could update.
 * Can i inquire as to why you dislike them? <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  23:11, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard a lot about Curse, other than Inde telling me that they restricted Guru's FTP access. However, it sounds like wikia did the same to you guys, so that's a non-issue. --Riddle 01:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * My dislike of curse is mostly petty. I don't like some of their site layouts, I'm not fond of some members of their community, etc etc etc. The other reasons for Gcard leaving are less professional, so I didn't want to mention them. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 04:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * ah, fair enough. Well obviously if we stay here we have monobook (which I believe they intend to remove some functionality from (or support of or something)) and Oasis (the new skin). Curse would let is have monobook or any other variety of skins that come default (not Monaco or Oasis obviously, they're wikia specific), we could even get Vector (wikipedia skin) if we wanted (it's part of the most recent MW update).
 * Fair enough, I'm not bothered about specifics, it wouldn't be fair to those involved. It was more just so people didn't think Money was the only factor for the move >>;;. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  14:02, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am interested in Wikia's stand on this issue or even if they care.--<font color="#0000ff"> X <font color="#696969"> TREME 13:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * they won't comment. They said that they'd rather not comment on each community separate discussion. (see the GWiki link). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  14:03, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

conversations with Curse
just to let you guys know, we've had a few conversations with Curse to get an idea of things. Auron asked most things we needed to know. I also Just spoke to Donovan, and the key points from that conversation are:
 * 1) PvX extension. Select users will have access to the PvX extension (not just the Skill Database). So we can tinker with that and make those adjustments that are needed (see: PvP skills)
 * 2) Software. They will install all Mediawiki updates, and extensions.
 * 3) Their pressence. They will have little presence on wiki. It will be mostly hosting.

I think that answers most questions we have, but if anyone's concerned about anything leave it here and we can check up on it =). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  16:19, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * so, are there at all any negatives to moving to curse, compared to wikia? Brandnew  16:23, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * asides from re-registering, and a decent DB-set back (if i got that right from that convo.) --Brandnew  16:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds fucking fantastic. Why didn't we do this a year and a half ago?--TahiriVeila 16:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Curse wasn't as big. They just acquired MMO-Champ, that's something that requires a fair amount of money. They're probably pretty happy with themselves right now and thinking about grabbing a few more big wikis. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:14, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * also, Guildwiki was here, which was an added bonus. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  20:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * So hold on a sec....let me get this straight...Auron's name is Matt? This move has my support.  I will still look into things just to make sure there won't be any hangups.--<font color="#0000ff"> X <font color="#696969"> TREME 19:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * So would we be using a DB dump from what mendel said or try and get an earlier one if Gcardinal or someone has it? I'm sure re-registering isn't really a big deal for anyone on the site though--Relyk not@Wikia 21:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ideally we'd get a copy from Wikia so we have everything up to date, and all infromation that we need (including user information). However if not I'd be inclined to say that we'd get the most recent DB dump (currently January, but Auron's requested a new one). What we'd get from GCard (provided he still had it lying around) would be so out of date that it wouldn't be worth it jsut save re registering or w/e. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian  <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  22:38, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * My contributions! Boo fucking hoo :p -- DANDY ^_^ -- 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure if PvX has tried this before, but couldn't we potentially ask ANet for use of the guildwars.com namespace for the wiki? They already maintain GWW without ads or intrusion into the wiki's workings and we might not even need to mess with the skills database, as GWW already has them. Plus it'd be nice for accessibility and promotion of the site. All moot if it's been tried and failed before, but figured I'd toss it out there. -- 22:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * No we can't, copyright licenses are in the way. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  23:31, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Have we discussed a timeframe? <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">02:44, 3 October 2010  (UTC)
 * I believe so. They're happy to start any time and I think they said it'd take about a week (though i could be wrong on that last part). But obviously people are still discussing so we've not started (because there may be something that changes our mind yet). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  15:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

moo 90.202.146.50 19:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

"Forking", as they call it
Just wanted to let you guys know that Wikia isn't making leaving easy on us. They have decided to refuse to do database dumps for other wikis and are referring to the sites that leave as "Forks" rather than admitting that we're leaving.

They fully plan on retaining our site once we go. Is there anyway for us to prevent this? I'm thinking that there has to be a way to get Anet to deny them copyrights or have whoever owns BBcode deny them access to it. Right?

Two PvXs shouldn't exist. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:24, 3 October 2010  (UTC)
 * How exactly are they going to retain the site? They won't have anyone to contribute, submit builds etc. Crap we never have skill updates. The current pvx will be up to date for like a year. Life   Guardian  19:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * We could always just blank like 90% of the wiki, no? Or just wtfvandalise it or something. It wouldn't have any serious contributors, so I don't really see how they could do much to stop it. Either way, the Wikia people are dipshits. -- Jai . - <font color="#7A7A7A"> 19:52, October 3 2010 (UTC)
 * There isn't exactly a way to deny them anything (except what I'll talk about below), but we could just make the Main Page link to the new wiki and then have everyone go inactive. By Wikia's own rules, they can't just give someone else BCrat because Auron would have to approve any new admins or BCrats. (Although, that's not to say they can't just kick everyone, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that that'd be a poor decision on their part for multiple reasons.) See, the nice thing about CC-BY-NC-SA is that, while we don't technically own the contributions on here, neither does Wikia.
 * Regarding images, though, ANet could simply revoke permission for Wikia to use skill icons and they would legally not be able to use them anymore. Depending on how and whether GCard licensed his Rating system, they could be legally bound to not use that anymore, either, if GCard desired that they did not. -- Danny is not 19:53, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Due to the licensing, there is no way to prevent them keeping it, or even making a new one. Suck it up. One important consideration is who owns the www.pvxwiki.com domain. If it is still GCardinal he can change the redirect, otherwise this is pretty much PvX forever. I suspect most of our traffic comes from there. We could also carefully vandalise in such a way that wikia staff wouldn't know if we were making it retarded (swapping all instances of Frenzy with Tiger Stance or something, making SS spear our best rated build, trashing all great and meta builds). That is the sum total of our options. We are basically forking rather than leaving. Leaving isn't possible. The pages are released under the license they are released. <font color="#A55858">Misery  19:57, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Merely fucking up the mainpage so that nobody can navigate anywhere should get us far. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 21:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect all links to goatse. Or just redirect all links to new pvx with a small explaination regarding the stuff left here. Zyke 21:41, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * In response to Danny/Mis, I suggest that we contact whoever owns the copyright on gwBBcode (Auron knows) and ask if they will refuse to allow Wikia to use it. And before we go, we could always completely dismember the site, ban every single user who tries to edit permanently, and add a link to our new page. If GCard still owns the domain for www.pvxwiki.com, then that would go a long way too. Iirc, that's how Anet has us listed as a fansite. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:56, 3 October 2010  (UTC)
 * Oh, and btw, I knew that this wiki would remain. I was more or less hoping their would be a way to fuck over wikia (with Anet's image copyrights or BBcode copyrights or something). I wonder if they would let us just make the main page one gigantic link to the new PvX. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:02, 3 October 2010  (UTC)
 * .... *sigh*, OK:
 * we don't use gwBBCode as such, we use a heavily edited version of it which was edited even more when we moved to Wikia. probably to such an extent you couldn't really call it a copyright violation of gwBBCode.
 * Wikia can roll back the site...for when people do stuff like that...
 * Adding a link to the new site's the best think i've heard yet. Replacing the main page with "Moved to: XYZ" works great.
 * No, he sold the rights to the domain to wikia when we moved. As such Wikia owns the domain www.pvxwiki.com. As such we also need a new domain name if we move to curse.
 * That's it really. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  22:05, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * www.GWPvX.com www.pvx.com is taken unfortunately. Zyke 23:54, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The skill icons could still be made into a copyright violation though. Also, maybe a bot that leaves a message on everybody's talk page telling them of the move? – BalisticSig.png<font color="#7777cc">alistic 04:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Too bad Anet wouldn't bother hosting pvxwiki. We could just put a notice that pvx moved and explain why there are two wikis would be sufficient for anyone who uses pvx. I don't think we should put effort into alienating people from the original site, they'll just be looking at outdated builds (and skills unless they stop updates). Not sure many people use the site for more than copypasting skill templates anyways.--Relyk not@Wikia 06:32, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * If they own the domain, we are fucked. That's the way I see it. Oh well, the game is dead, why don't we just let the wiki die too? Also, the whole point of subtle vandalism is that they wouldn't know where to rollback to. Redirecting to goatse is an epicly bad idea. <font color="#A55858">Misery  07:29, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, then subtle vandalism it is, I guess. Once we move, we can just make all of our builds ridiculous and put a link on the main page (they have no right to change that). We'll need to contact Anet and see if they would be willing to change their link to our fansite.
 * We can announce it on Guru and other fansites, but Mis is right, w/o pvxwiki.com we're kind of fucked. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">12:54, 4 October 2010  (UTC)
 * Fuck being fucked ^___^ the word will spread pretty fast if we're backed up by other sites, so let's be optimistic. Besides, it doesn't rly matter that much if pvxwiki.com links to a new site. -- DANDY ^_^ -- 13:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * If we just put a link to the new wiki, I'm sure we'll be perfectly fine... And it's not like this place is hopping right now anyway. All the regulars will move, and any non-retards will come with us, and I'm guessing not much will change, except we won't have to deal with wikiatards. -- Jai . - <font color="#7A7A7A"> 13:13, October 4 2010 (UTC)
 * Check their licensing specifically for this - are they allowed to withhold information? They are supposedly running on a by-nc-sa license, which doesn't allow them to prevent our wiki from getting a database dump of our wiki. Part of Wikia's whole gimmick, aside from being money-grubbing jews, is that they're all open source about everything. If they're specifically not giving us a database dump, that entire claim is moot.
 * They have every right to keep this wiki running without sysops or contributors, but do they have a right to not give us what we own (our contributions are our intellectual copyright - their license doesn't allow them to refuse us our work)? - Auron  13:43, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not so much that they're "refusing" to do database dumps, but they don't do them on an individual basis, and last I checked the Special:Page that dumps our database was broken (so are many other sites).
 * It belongs somewhere in the realm of conspiracy theories, but that doesn't change the problem. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:05, 4 October 2010  (UTC)
 * Nevermind, the database dump page is back up. Apparently someone from WoWWiki gave them shit about it being down. It's from January 7th, 2010, though. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:26, 4 October 2010  (UTC)
 * I'm aware, I have that copy on my harddrive. Also get your black ass on msn sometime. - Auron 14:38, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Them owning pvxwiki.com isn't really a huge blow, since they will get directed to the wikia page (pvx.wikia.com) and on there we will have a blooming big message telling people to go to the site at Curse. frostels 14:55, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reaching Consensus on Curse
Those for leaving Wikia and joining Curse:
 * 1) <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:57, 4 October 2010  (UTC)
 * 2) lol wikia. --  DANDY ^_^ -- 15:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) brbleavingwikia - Frostels.
 * 4) Sounds like the grass might be greener on the other side. Guess we'll never know unless we try? -- Danny is not  15:16, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Those against leaving Wikia and joining Curse:

For more information on the pros or cons of joining Curse (or leaving Wikia) read the previous sections. If you have anything to contribute to the discussion, please add it there instead of here. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate  <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:57, 4 October 2010  (UTC)

UserMigration
I am not able to make the UserMigration work, and need some assistance please. The onscreen instructions say:
 * Please edit your user page on the old wiki, including the following text in your revision comment (without quotes): "8BdavYrygYY=".\n\nYour last edit summary is: "Removing all content from page"

So, below is my text on the old wiki:
 * Moved to the Curse PvX. The Texas Hammer 17:18, November 24, 2010 (UTC) 8BdavYrygYY=

and below is my Summary:
 * Removing all content from page

38.104.61.102 17:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The edit summary is at the bottom of the edit window just above "Save page". Type 8BdavYrygYY= in that box. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">17:34, 24 November 2010  (UTC)
 * Thank you KJ; I figured it out by looking at everyone's recent changes. I am still not 100% on what the instructions are trying to convey.  Below is what I think its trying to say (The \n\n was probably meant to be two carriage returns):
 * Please edit your user page on the old wiki, including the following text in your revision summary (without quotes): "TheUsersSpecialCode".


 * Your last edit comment should be (without quotes): "Removing all content from page."
 * The Texas Hammer 18:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
I want to say thanks to all the admins and everyone involved for working on the move! Good Job. (Truly, this thanks is not inspired by today's holiday, but just something I wanted to say.) The Texas Hammer 13:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Ditto. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:37, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Content License
The PvXwiki content is licensed CC BY-NC-SA, and this copy/fork should be licensed the same. However, the wiki displays the CC BY-SA license, which is of course not compatible. Is that an oversight, or is it intentional? (And if the latter, is there wiki discussion about this?) --◄mendel► 02:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Talk:News/20101119 =) <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  02:49, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, should've checked that talk in the first place. --◄mendel► 19:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Reclaiming
When I tried to reclaim my acc it wouldn't give me a code which I had to put in like everyone else would get. Any way of getting contribs and talk/subpages/watchlist back?Falrach 22:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * what do you mean it wouldn't give you the code? did it say your account hadn't been reserved, or was there some other reason you didn't get it? <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  22:15, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It only said edit your userpage on the other wiki, it didn't say anything else. Falrach 18:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * it should give you a little code (for example: '2l32VwRvtR0=' ). You have to copy that code and use it as the edit summary for an edit on your wikia userpage (while logged in and editing the whole page, not just a section) <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  19:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It didnt give me and in the end I just remade the acc so I can't reclaim it now anyway. Falrach 21:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Help forking users
I would appreciate if anyone with free time loaded recent changes on pvx@wikia a couple times per day and kindly invited any users contributing to builds to contribute here instead. A small note on the talk page is often enough - something like this is plenty. Anything to get more traffic, mirite? - Auron 08:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I see ishmael bot spammed a note on all the talk pages at guildwiki@wikia, someone could do the same for pvx@wikia yes?--Christmas sig.jpg talk  08:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll see if poke can do something with that, it shouldn't be too hard to code. - Auron 09:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Problem migrating account
wasn't sure where else to put this, so i put it here. i've made edits to my old pvx@wikia account twice now, both times using the special code for the edit summary, and still, it's saying 'Your last edit summary was: "(no summary)"'. i've been trying for several days now and this site keeps saying the same thing, each time i press Reclaim Account it just refreshes the page. i've tried simply making a new account using the same name, but it said the name was taken. help? i've done this same method of migration on other sites with no problem67.171.230.252 14:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * what's your username? <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  14:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Akbaroth67.171.230.252 21:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * that's because you've been editing the page of user:PVX_Akbaroth, instead of User:Akbaroth (the account doesn't have the "PVX-" prefix, so you shouldn't edit the page with it =p). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  22:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * sweet tyvm :)Akbaroth 02:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)