Archive talk:Me/Mo GvG Signet Mesmer

Smite Pwnage. This Build wins. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 16:36, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Don't you want a low energy set, to hide energy when using Purge Sig? - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   16:47, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Not really needed, as you can just switch to the +Energy set. Also, you have plenty of things to do that involve no energy at all :p. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 16:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Kk. I noticed that you had an empty weapons slot, and figured that a -e set would work with Purge Sig. I didn't see any reason not to take one. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   16:54, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Welcome back adr spikes with 2 evi's. Unexist 02:27, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Reluctantly tried this build in a GvG recently and, to my surprise, it kinda owns face. Well done. -Punjab 08:33, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
 * What do you expect? My builds own face :P. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 09:30, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

I don't like the fact that it's countered by a single skill :P
 * IGNORANCE! But next to that, this is cool xD -StarSeeker 14:51, 1 July 2007 (CEST)
 * P, who runs that tho Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 02:22, 1 August 2007 (CEST)

Sorry about that RB mess. My mistake. - Krowman    22:41, 5 July 2007 (CEST)

Isn't the Sig of Judgment a bit too weak? I mean, its only 47 dmg, not that much of a spike... SpriteSODA 02:16, 1 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Err, it isn't a spiker. SoJ is just a great utility. Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 02:22, 1 August 2007 (CEST)

Yeah very nice, but apart from the mantra refreshing the signets it is very unfocused - just a motley of useful skills. Power drain at this attribute will give you a boost of 20e every 25 seconds, whereas leech signet under these conditions gives you 13e every 16.5 seconds. In terms of efficiency this is roughly equivalent, only leech can interrupt any action if you need to. And your elite is a single knockdown + low aoe damage every 11 seconds - a mesmer with points in dom has a bevy of more useful interrupts, though no knockdown as such to be sure (unless you can use psychic instability). Putting points in smiting just to use one skill this way is a waste. And if you have diversion then signet of humility, whilst easier to use, is just redundant. Whilst you are neutering your own energy to purge, why not let someone else carry the mirror and go for signet of disenchantment? It synergises with the mantra and can strip stubborn enchants like shadow form, spell shield, etc. This build aint bad, but it needs a lot of work. SpaceBiscuit 20:18, 19 August 2007 (CEST)
 * i agree on some points... did anyone notice how there isnt many mesmer builds :/ ... where is the love ??--Iwan13talk 01:53, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * What? - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   01:55, 20 August 2007 (CEST)

Readem, at least i gave you a reason, which is better than canning it without explanation. Also i'm pretty sure there is a policy about not voting on your own builds, maybe YOUR vote should be deleted instead of mine. This is a community site for a reason, if you take nothing from my comments that's your loss. SpaceBiscuit 04:35, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You are wrong. That is all. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me 04:38, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * again with the canning without comment. what is this? i dont care if you're an admin, give me a reason. what is wrong? why am i wrong? the unqualified comment 'you are wrong. that is all' is wrong. and how does he have the right to remove my rating? if you dont agree, fine. remove all comment and i'll give it the same rating. so far i've had a build completely deleted without permission or a move to trash, another build canned without the slightest attempt at constructive comment, and now an offhand deletion of a rating without valid reason (your comments Readem were somewhat bewildering, much as you seem to be finding mine). what kind of 'community' site is this where you just shut out people that you don't care to understand?
 * you still have a problem with leech? consider this, you dont want to have all that energy at once if you plan to be purging away, and why would you need it in one burst? so you can be e-denied? same efficiency while you are under that mantra + versatility as a non-spell interrupt + a signet (for artificer insignia) + energy in shorter bursts better timed to when you are likely to need it = better skill. its not even a close contest on that one. you can use diversion in conjunction with SoH if you like, but what would you rather their elite be disabled for, indefinetly on one character, 15 seconds on multiple characters, or a minute on multiple characters? Signet of Disenchantment is a personal touch, if you don't understand how to use it in combination with your purge and neg-energy swapping, or why it can be a good skill, don't use it. i still think SoJ is out of place, put it on a monk or war, if at all. IMO Gale is a better ranged knockdown, even without the mild aoe of SoJ, and that's a pretty lame skill. You should leave that aspect to the professions that specialise in it. (gheesh) SpaceBiscuit 05:27, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You just said that Gale is a "pretty lame" skill. Also, why jump on me for saying that author's voting isn't forbidden? Btw, mesmers are the best class to use SoJ on. Spammable(with MoI), free, fast-casting, ranged KD. SoHumil and Diversion are not at all redundant. Against a good opponent, you will be very lucky to diversion a BSurge or SoD. Shatter is better than signet of disenchantment. Mirror is as well, but Shatter > mirror, too, usually. You're no longer facing thirteen copies of aegis per team. Leech vs. PDrain is not really a big deal. You shouldn't be running artificer's insignia anyway, because that's 5 to 15 less health per piece of artificer's armor. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 22:17, 21 September 2007 (CEST)

Leech is better I think cuz of MoI. -- <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/RFA) 05:32, 20 August 2007 (CEST)

Oh, a signet mesmer build without Artificer insignia. i have half a mind to rate you even lower for that fact alone. Nuff said, this is a poor build. SpaceBiscuit 06:11, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Oh geez... - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   06:21, 20 August 2007 (CEST)

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At this point i very much doubt you're interested in my comments, but here is something constructive that i think you will like - a HSR either on a staff or tied to inspiration, will make power drain more efficient. SpaceBiscuit 10:03, 22 August 2007 (CEST)

Power Drain is of very little importance. You are using signets that cause ranged KD...Focus swapping eliminates all energy problems as well. You mention Artificer Insigs, which tbh suck. Your comments are not being ignored, they are just poorly supported, by little to no experience. Think what you will, but you are wrong. Space Biscuits current rating is 2.9 which is a lulz vote. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 00:51, 30 August 2007 (CEST)


 * If power drain is of little importance trash it for something else. if you want the signet ranged knockdown (which you have ONE of) make a proper build around it instead of wasting att. points by tacking it on the end. how would you know what experience i have? have i played this build, similar builds, know the skills inside out and experimented? yeah. apart from the focus thing, which i dont agree with, you have once again brushed this aside and answered nothing. SpaceBiscuit 07:31, 30 August 2007 (CEST)
 * The great thing about SoJ is that there is no need to build around it. It's a free guaranteed kd every X seconds at 0 spec. You don't even really need to spec any smiting(I probably wouldn't, personally). --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 22:17, 21 September 2007 (CEST)

Oh, lol good, you just archived it instead. Zuranthium 02:58, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Go directly to the extreme, every time. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  02:59, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * I'm I allowed to archive yet? Not sure of that specific policy. Zuranthium 03:00, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * If you archive something that isn't supposed to be, we'll just revert it and mock you for your incompetence. So don't worry about it. :D --71.229 03:05, 17 February 2008 (EST)