Archive talk:Mo/any Smiting Support

So i herd feedback was gud? / Fros  T  alk  \ 19:16, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I hurd this is almost useless support. Bring something that can heal, or do damage, not something that fails at both.--Goldenstar 22:13, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I used this in RA recently...I don't like SoJ without Mantra of Inscriptions which was just nerfed. D:--Underwood 22:34, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It isn't an out and out Healer, it is designed to support healers with quick and effective hex/condition removal and quick heals / Fros  T  alk  \ 22:35, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah we know, but as Goldenstar said this fails at both. While this does support it's just not as good as other support builds.--Underwood 22:45, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Bane Signet over Castigation. Energy should be fine. Although there's no real reason to use this over Balth's Pendulum. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  10:12, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Balth's Pendulam got nerfed, on demand K/D is hawt, but ok, I will add bane signet / Fros  T  alk  \ 10:14, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not a real nerf. It just means you have to actively prot people with it rather than slapping it on anyone a war looks at. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  10:15, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Still none the less, it got a kinda nerf, haven't seen balthz pendulam being used in a while, all I have seen it this / Fros  T  alk  \ 10:17, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That's because smiters like this fit into very few builds, especially with the current meta. Both bars are identical apart from 2 skill slots, and Balth's is the best use of those 2. Sure, SoJ can be used as an offensive KD, but one KD every 21 seconds isn't worth dropping Balth's for. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  10:19, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * spnv ran this, wierd stuff =/ Hikari 22:53, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * SpNv is weird stuff. They're gimmick guild, you should ignore them for running something like this. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:36, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Not just SpNv have ran it... / Fros  T  alk  \ 13:49, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The only other guild i've seen running this is vE, and I don't like them very much. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:56, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * [mkay] have ran it, and i belive [rawr] had it going too (don't quote me on that though) / Fros  T  alk  \ 12:00, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Rawr did not. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  09:40, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well they have now! / Fros  T  alk  \ 02:22, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Seen this run with enfeebling blood quite often.Aznhalf 10:06, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Personally I prefer: - Zealot's Fire instead of divine healing - Aura of faith instead of signet of judgment (Sinchan 10:28, 20 June 2008 (EDT)).
 * No. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Maybe Shield Of Judgement instead?
 * NO. / Fros  T  alk  \ 14:15, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

How about a smiting skill other than SoJ :P--R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  17:24, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * NO / Fros  T  alk  \ 17:28, 20 June 2008 (EDT) this is getting repetative

This build tries to do too many things at once.
 * NO Dumb Was This Username 20:58, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Tag it for TA IMO, that's where you see this more than GvG BCTurk 23:23, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

I'd replace the signets with castigation and icy shackles. SoJ is meh outside of spikes and that other signet is just bad. I can't even think of it's name, it's been that long since I've even considered it. Also, it needs SoH. A smiter w/o SoH is pretty lulz. Probably replace smite condition.

go mo/e and bring water trident &mdash;  Skakid  06:35, 21 June 2008 (EDT)


 * IS EVERYONE THAT POSTS ON THIS WIKI FUCKING STUPID???? / Fros  T  alk  \ 06:37, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If you havent noticed by now, we dont give a shit what gimmicky japs run. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 06:41, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * lol, Japs.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 06:43, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

What exactly is wrong with water trident? &mdash;  Skakid  12:58, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Costs energy..... maybe? &not; Klump  eet  16:59 {GMT} 21-06-MMVIII
 * ..... &mdash;  Skakid  13:01, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Conditional! / Fros  T  alk  \ 13:04, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I think the word you're looking for is 'nothing.'  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  14:52, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 * omgz bull's is bad cause it's even more conditional -- Mafaraxas ( talk  &bull;  contribs ) 20:01, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

This shit is badass with Water Trident. moush 23:35, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Tbh, water trident is a good idea. SoJ with a 20 second recharge and not fast casting is kinda bad. Water trident allows for relatively spammable knockdowns, but might be worse on a spike. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  16:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * So, srsly add water trident? / Fros  T  alk  \ 17:32, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes add water trident srslyz--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  17:36, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * NO SRSLY / Fros  T  alk  \ 20:04, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

To ska, water trident is bad b/c this is a build for euro's, not for americans. SoJ is your spike damage. Also; euro's are too bad to water trident well. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  15:43, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Shards of Orr
Tweak it a bit (few skill changes for other general support), grab an earth ele with ward of stability, prot monk, 4+ of these and go. SoJ chains (takes coordination, like vent) but you can render the boss at the end essentially useless. Probably not worth adding a pve tag, just thought I'd throw this out there. Kelvin Greyheart 00:42, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Really, just taking any build that does holy damage and 3 heroes with any decent SoJ(or even Ray of Judgement O_o) build makes that dungeon a joke. Scythesins work pretty well for that, they do about 200 damage per hit average.  &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  12:06, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Too true. As I said, just throwing that out there.  Psuedo-soloed everything with my derv using HoHF, anti KD, Mel, and a bonder. Kelvin Greyheart 17:27, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Divine Favor
Just wonder it says (Heal target for 45hp(divine favor bonus) ). Does it then mean whenever u use Reversal of Damage etc u heal the guy for 90hp oO Massive   04:22, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  06:38, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ...that's the whole idea behind the skill. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 00:22, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe he's asking whether the healing is provided in a separate packet or not? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:23, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * To answer that, yes, it's a separate packet. You'll see the +45 +45 intead of a +90, for example. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:24, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Does it matter? – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 00:28, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * There's probably some reason that it would (ie, random skill that benefits off of it). Nothing really noteworthy though. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:30, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Scourge Healing, heh. -- Mafaraxas ( talk  &bull;  contribs ) 21:10, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That doesn't trigger it anyway. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 22:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Aura of Faith and maybe deepwound/other healing reducers might effect. But it wouldn't matter if it was 90 or 45+45 since it should be the same. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush 02:46, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well this would hurt against the new soul bind, since it is 2 packets, so would it do double damage? / Fros  T  alk  \ 04:05, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Scourge healing doesn't trigger it, so I doubt soul bind does. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 09:45, 25 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Why would it matter for those? Either DF is affected or it isn't, it being one package or two wouldn't make a difference anyway. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 09:45, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

DF is not healing. Thus it will not trigger soul bind. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  14:21, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * For each rank of Divine Favor, allies are healed for 3.2 whenever you cast Monk spells on them. ;o &mdash;  Skakid  14:22, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Everyone (except the author) has complained that this build sucks or it's bad supporter, but yet it's under the "Great" builds. What the hell; doesn't make sense. I personally like the build actually but.. ehh well I'll never understand pvxwiki. -.- &not; Master Gladius  14:34, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ? – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 14:41, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

No shit sherlock. That's exactly what I meant, even Unexist gave it "Good" rating. &not; Master Gladius  14:59, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That's cause in his opinion it is a good build (most people feel it is great though) plus it has seen a fair bit of play lately (because euro is the way forward). / Fros  T  alk  \ 15:01, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * True DF honor is the real way foward tbh. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  15:42, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And? Go rate it yourself if you don't like it. Talk page whining means nothing, it's a normal thing. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 18:39, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

btw, sub out 1 skill that wasn't nerfed if you're not terrible and this was "the imba build dR won a monthly with" &mdash;  Skakid  23:18, 27 June 2008 (EDT)