Build talk:Mo/any PvE Healing Burst

Discussion
"Use Power Drain and/or Leech Signet as energy management with a small investment in Inspiration Magic if running the build on a hero." In place of what, exactly? --67.180.41.65 01:47, 7 May 2008 (EDT)General

WoH hybrid with ZB? We have a winnar! Ibreaktoilets 16:00, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * =(Ibreaktoilets 16:04, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

While ZB would work, there's already been a couple of ZB builds. WoH is still better for hero use, heals for slightly more, and doesn't harm you if you overlap. Tycn 16:10, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Thats why you give your heroes LoD. Or you just screw hero monks and use the hench ones. Heroes are needed for damage. I dont wanna spend an hour clearing an area. Asdfg 16:11, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Scribe's Insight boonprot heroes tbh Ibreaktoilets 16:13, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Screw dat, OoB and OoV Boonprots. Asdfg 16:13, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Alright, you win :/ Still, I had to post this considering the alternatives. And LoD is rendered nearly useless where there's little party wide damage. Tycn 16:17, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * LoD r gud Ibreaktoilets 16:19, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * healers boon FTW! Iwan13 talk 23:12, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Using HB you either overheal or die. Asdfg 23:15, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * 99% of players in DoA would disagree. =P &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:15, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I use HB on my Monk in PvE. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 01:08, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Me too, sometimes. But then I'm usually spamming Heal Party. Touching any other skill usually turns into 200 overhealed or OH SHI- too late. Asdfg 11:33, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

Bad votes
Klomi's vote: Inferior to ZB builds and LoD builds is a justified comment, but you can't support the other WoH builds - one has channeling, Mend Ailment and Heal Party, one has a superior rune, and both have orison.

Sy86's vote: The word Hybrid means you only need to bring one monk, orly? How is RoF not a self heal? Reversing a hit from a Scythe of Chaos for 116 total healing seems like a self heal to me, and is a bit better than Orison's 67, don't you think? Tycn 11:29, 28 August 2007 (CEST)


 * That second vote was most certainly wrong. I have removed it.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ  〚 ŞƳŞŌƤ 〛 00:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86 answer: I really dont, RoF is not a healing skill, and i will explain why: as long as u cannot gain a healing boost (exept for the 40-50 divine favor) without a health penalty (an attack/spell) this skill will hardly help you if u are (for some reason) at low health in the middle of a battle and are not reciving damage at the moment. Spamming Orizon instead can boost fast ur health in any situation, beacuse Orizon IS a healing skill (and u need to add the divine favor bonus, so the net heal will never be 67 but most likely 112). u made the exemple of a scithe attack, well if the opposite happens? if the attack u suffer is not 119 but 20-30 (can sometimes happen even in hard mode), is this a big heal boost? i dont think. I agree that in some situations RoF can be way better than Orizon, such as perfect anti spike (if timing is also correct), but RoF is NOT a healing skill, for consequence this build has no (sufficient) self-heal. Do u agree?
 * If RoF heals 30 it's already better than Orison. 30 damage means 30 prevented+30 healed which better than 60 orison (cast time, recast etc.) And if noones taking damage, why would you want to heal them? They may eventually get up with LoD spam. Asdfg 01:01, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * RoF is the standard monk heal. It is the best, most energy efficient non-elite healing skill in the game. Take a good look at it. Read what it says. It rawks. Also, monks don't need self-heals.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ  〚 ŞƳŞŌƤ 〛 01:07, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

RoF is the best skill in the entire game. if you don't like it, you suck at monking, and probably use this. &mdash; Skakid9090 03:14, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86 answer: No way, i use this: &mdash; Sy86 When u'll be able to solo vanquish areas with heroes and hench using RoF we will talk again about that. ah, btw.... i am "Very Important" in game, so i know what i'm sayn. bb 03:14, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86 ps: quote: best nuker in teh game: 

gz, perfect energy management, u must be a very skilled player^^

Hey Ska, we better stop messing with him, he's very important. That means he has 15 (fifteen) titles maxed. We cant keep up with that, he knows what he's talking about. Stop it, we dont have a chance.Asdfg 12:26, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Hi, I have no titles maxed in a year of GW. Discuss. Ibreaktoilets 12:30, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Please refrain from writing on the same page as Sy86 does. You are not worthy. Skadik however, has a maxed Vanquisher title. That allows him to argue with Sy. Asdfg 12:34, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I have 60% Tyrian Explorer or 22/25 Protector if that helps =( Ibreaktoilets 12:36, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Do you have 40% explored in any other campaign? Cause that'd add up and de facto give you 100% explored. Asdfg 12:39, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Ooh. I also have 50% in Cantha, so that makes me 10% better at exploring than sy? Ibreaktoilets 12:43, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * No, you cant compete with his fifteen titles. However, you are now worthy to read his godly comments and absorb his knowledge. Asdfg 12:49, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Grow up. -.- Swiftslash \\   (contributions  * warrior guide ) 12:52, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86: [Quote: RoF is the standard monk heal. It is the best, most energy efficient non-elite healing skill in the game. Take a good look at it. Read what it says. It rawks. Also, monks don't need self-heals.] read carefully, i never said that was a BAD skill i said that this is not a HEALING skill, it's a protection one, this is not the same thing. I think that's strange that an admin cant see the difference anyway :P for anyone who wanna contact me my IGN is -Sy Jou-
 * I obviously cant argue with you, as i only have 19 maxed titles =O — Skakid9090 03:23, 18 September 2007 (CEST)

My Bad Vote
I gave this build a low rating because it deserves a low rating. Lod can heal the party for a longer amount of time. ZB with gift of health has higher heals and better e-management. HB monks have heals much higher then this build and can keep going for the same amount of time because they have to heal less. Reversal of Fortune just plain sucks unless you are using it on yourselfKlomi 20:04, 31 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Lol@RoF sucks... [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 03:25, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
 * RoF is less effective in PvE. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:40, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
 * But still better than the alternatives. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  03:42, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
 * No. It's simply better than the prot alternatives in terms of healing. It's less useful when there are too many packets of damage going through your defense. Often the case is people want to carry Orison. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:43, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Eh, just run Boonprots. They got me through all of the campaigns relatively unscathed. Reversal really shines in Hard Mode though. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  03:51, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Offering of Blood owns. I don't know why it isn't in this build. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:52, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I'll upload my current hero builds to PvX right now. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  03:53, 18 September 2007 (CEST)

Oh, its pve? i guess u wouldnt WoH in pvp much anyways... -- frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 03:43, 18 September 2007 (CEST)

RoF is a great skill to have on a PvE bar, have you seen the damage a barrage shot does from a shadow ranger in FoW? Have you seen what an Ele/Rit boss can do? RoF is and always will be far superior to Orison due to not trying to out heal the damage but prevent it plus a heal. For anyone with the urge to take Orison replace with RoF. Also I dont mind this build too much but I might drop say Guardian for GoLE for some form of energy management to counter PS. (Mr Pink57 02:33, 11 December 2007 (CET))

Do not know how to properly edit articles.
The suggestion for SoA is most definitely wrong, should be used on anyone being bashed to all hell not as a small prot like suggested. The skill is god mod in PvE and larger scale PvP.(Mr Pink57 23:31, 12 February 2008 (EST))

Dwayna's Kiss?
Patient Spirit>Dwayna's Kiss--Relyk 22:51, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Instant heals are usually better in PvE. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 19:08, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * /agree Peter 11:00, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

But Patient is a second self heal and can be cast on one player while u WoH another. (75.134.131.172 03:14, 30 June 2008 (EDT))

GoLE
With one 10 energy spell? Signet of Rejuvenation does a better job energy managing and should be on main bar. BeQuickOrBeDead 05:17, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Heroes don't always use GoLE right before a PS, so instead I gave my Mo/Me hero Channeling with 2 Insp with a +20% enchant staff. --75.83.131.85 04:31, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
 * So with this being taken off, how come it still shows as Mo/E instead of Mo/Any - I'll change later if I can figure it out...Hope 12:19, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Aegis?
Why not in optionals at least? You are already investing in Prot, Aegis is a great party prot for 8 man PvE. J ustin  6   23:24, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Rewrite
Someone do it plz, I CBA.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  11:54, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Optionals should be e-management or some more prots/heals.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  12:08, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It's like same bar -SoR and Dwayna's. Dwayna's vs. Patient is really preference, cos dwayna's owns when you have orders or hex heavy areas. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 12:27, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Optionals & variants. Of course the bars are very similar, it's just an upgrade.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 12:34, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ok Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 15:55, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Build similarity
I can't help but notice that this build is essentially the LoD hybrid with a different elite. Cure Hex and Remove Hex are interchangeable; a slight shift in attributes is the only other alteration. Is it really necessary to keep both? 206.81.96.46 14:39, 18 December 2008 (EST)
 * LoD is terrible considering you have UA and HB. Plus LoD serves a different purpose from WoH.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]uɐɟ ɐʞıd 12:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Dwayna's Sorrow?
I use Dwayna's Sorrow in place of Dismiss Condition when I play with a Foul Feasting bomber. It works amazingly well, and I think it might be a good note to add, but is this too situational to add to the build? 74.129.74.127 09:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Put it in variants.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]uɐɟ ɐʞıd 12:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Not according to Anet. Have they EVER had a healing monk that removed condis???

Hero AI
Is it just me, or does the Hero AI fucking suck at managing high cost, low recharge prot skills like Prot Spirit or SB? Whenever I run Prot Spirit on a hero, I have to disable it and micro manage. 68.51.95.206 21:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * i have noticed no problems with regards to e-management. unless im fighting like...3 mobs at once. Funkopotomis 02:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heros throw it on whoever's gettin hit, sometimes they try to use them to heal. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]]


 * I only have that problems when I use a hero monk and there's a minion master in the party. They're probably shooting Prot Spirit on the minions. 76.202.249.205 02:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * you cannot control that, just disable hte skills until your actualy in a fight i guess[[Image:unrealSignature1.png]] 02:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

SS nerf
Take it out of the mainbar?--Tyrael-- 09:36, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yup, agreed. Back to GoLE I guess.84.24.33.121 18:51, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * SS still saves more energy than GoLE [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  18:56, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I have been healing my Sabway necros with this build since the update. I realize it is easy healing Sabway teams but I notice it is less effective now but still usable if you pick your spot when to use it. I am leaning to replacing it with Signet of Rejuvenation or GoLE--Cancerman66 23:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Should not be mainbar any more tbh  -Tyrael-  Boo for you   21:31, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Major Rune
An anonymous user changed the minor heal rune to major. That seems bad to me. Is there any good reason for it? If not, it should be changed back to minor. --War_Pig5 04:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. It should have been a minor. Also, one of the notes was bullshit. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">05:05, 29 November 2009

No patient
Why? Digitalfear 13:04, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts? -- DANDY ^_^ -- 19:19, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hero build?
Heroes do not use Sunspear rank skills. remove from that category please.--MP5navy 19:42, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * there is a hero variant if you didnt notice --<font color="DarkBlue"> No <font color="Yellow"> vii 19:48, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Equipment
What's a 'standard Monk weapon set?
 * 40/40 healing, +5/-5spear of fortitude + q7/8 shields with proper inscriptions, carpe diem (only focus or both focus and wand) set, 40/20/20 prot staff or equivalent focus + spear set... oh, i realized now this is a PvE build... for hero, you only need 40/40 or shield set (how you feel comfortable, if you need more resiliance or more heal). For player, you can switch between 40/40 set and shield if they attack you. Also, remember to sign yourself with 4 tidles ( ~ ) --Sewa 16:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Hero build
Should this page even have a hero variant of the build? There are better builds that healer heroes could be running, even amongst monk builds. There's no reason the build needs to be downgraded because heroes are ehhh with it. AegisDok 22:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the opposite actually, why does this page have a human variant? Vorpal 22:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Because prots + WoH is better than UA and HB if the player is any good. What else would a human monk run if he wanted to heal? AegisDok 22:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Except for WoH itself, I run something identical in pve with my demanding guildies - I use Healing Burst. -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  22:55, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Aye, I prefer Burst as well. AegisDok 22:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You can actually use...:::: BOOOOOOOOOON-PROT
 * specifically, AP Boon Prot. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 22:58, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Why no
Aegis? Condition Removal is a waste of energy in PvE, but AoE blocking for the initial contact with a mob is much more useful. Why is it not there? Otherwise, all you have on prot line is PS. Also, RoF>DKiss. Minion  16:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dismiss-->Aegis, WoH-->Burst imo. AegisDok 22:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dismiss heals 30 or so hp at 8-9 prot and costs 5e, curing one condition, usually one that doesn't matter in PvE (Cripple, bleed, poison, burning). Aegis costs 10e and lasts 10~ seconds, halving melee damage. That's easily potentially more health gained, or not lost, than Dismiss. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, swap DKiss for Aegis. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 23:32, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dismiss condition is useless, if you want condition removal, it would be draw conditions or having a necro bring FF. Aegis isn't that useful either, but optional slots are awesome for providing both as an option in addition to signet of rejuv, etheral light, heal party, gole, hard res, pve skills, etc.-- Relyk 23:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't intend for that to be interpreted as a 'greater than' sign. :/ AegisDok 23:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Screw WoH, run on your hero, because it's frigging awesome. <font color="Black">Vorpal  [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 23:49, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Heroes don't use Healing Burst enough for it to be any good on their bar. Hell, they hardly use Word of Healing enough to justify it. - Xenomortis 01:32, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Which is part of the reason this shouldn't be tagged for heroes. AegisDok 02:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Draw Conditions
So much better than Dismiss. -- Jai' s Computer -  04:33, January 2 2012 (UTC)
 * Condition removal is pretty pointless in PvE anyway. Aegis>both. Draw is used in PvP because of cond stacks and monks run disciples. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 05:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The only condition really worth removing is blind, and DW/daze to an extent (though daze is highly uncommon). Still, 1/4sec skill that says fuck you to condition stacks is much better than a 3/4sec skill that removes 1 condition and has a shitty heal tacked on. And yes, they should both be optionals/variants. -- Jai' s Computer -  05:18, January 2 2012 (UTC)
 * DKiss can be slotted out completely; the player should pretty much only use WoH as a heal, using Dismiss as a secondary heal (if really needed) and condition removal as needed. If the condition removal isn't needed then Reversal of Fortune becomes the more valuable skill and can be slotted in. Aegis could then be slotted in, in place of DKiss. Draw Conditions isn't really worth it; if you truly need the removal I guess you could take it. Xenomortis 20:15, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Merge with HBurst
Why not merge the two builds? The hero builds are pretty much identical except for the elite.

And at least some players run this build w/ HBurst themselves, so creating a HB player build wouldn't be a mistake either.Steve1 19:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the HB build is a hero build, whereas this is a player build that happens to have a hero tag (and is unfortunately downgraded for it, lolinconsistency). Yes, though, Hburst is a viable alternative to WoH in this build.  Creating a new page isn't necessary; however, this build would need to be moved to a page with a new name, and I have not even the basic wiki skills to know how to do it.  :/ AegisDok 22:58, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Player build wise I never find myself using the same skills with WoH/Burst. Cuilan 23:42, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * this is semi-competitive with UA and HBoon/Burst only in 4-man maps. shouldn't have hero tag since AI can't WoH properly and rerolling to N/Rt is easy. Fianchetto 00:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The skills aren't different enough to warrant creating a separate page for a HBurst bar. AegisDok 00:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Name Change/Page Split
I dropped the hero build variant as monk heroes are okish at best while monk players using almost the same build can do a great job. Page split seems indicated. Could this build be moved to Build:Mo/any Healing Burst Hybrid to reflect the changes and Archive:Mo/Me Healing Burst Hero be brought back so I can update that one aswell? --Krschkr (talk) 20:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)