User talk:Excluded/Necro not OP

So you're taking quotes from two (apparent) nubs and using that to say that PvX thinks necro's are OP? Now, to be honest, they're still not nearly at the bottom, as monks, rangers, and ele's have far fewer options than necro's. However, I don't see any of the regulars here saying that necro's are overpowered anymore.

Also, stop fucking calling it a meleemancer and people might listen to you more. -- Jai . -  00:37, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * Just for reference, my rankings, for general PvE at least, would probably go something like: 1. Dervish; 2. Warrior; 3. Assassin; 4. Mesmer; 5. Rit; 6. Necro; 7. Monk; 8. Para; 9. Elementalist; 10. Ranger. EDIT: Monk and Para both have good options (RoJ and Imba) but they're so non-universal that they're near the bottom; Rangers have some very good options (daggers, scythes), but they're absolutely and completely outclassed by the top 3, so there's no real reason to bring one over another char. Ele's have ER, but next to nothing else, and ER is not all that useful for hero teams. -- Jai . -  01:56, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. And disagree on meleemancer being a bad name, it's amazing and the term is older than gilwors itself! ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But it's fucking retarded and as soon as you say it you look like a massive scrub. Just call it a melee necro or something. -- Jai . -  02:07, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * Those rankings are fucked up. Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 02:08, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What would yours be? I mean, the top 5 is pretty easy, with maybe slight differences in order, but I can see how the last 5 could be completely contested. Ele and Para both have a single really strong build but nothing else of worth, while Ranger and Necro can do a few different things effectively, but none of them as effectively as other professions. Monk is a wierd one as it doesn't have any massively OP builds, but it does have RoJ, which fills an interesting niche (nice support and utility with a big nuke on the side) that no other profession can totally replicate (most closely seen in an SoS rit with Splinter and Arage as well as resto skills). My ranking is just my opinion on how I see general PvE, but I can see the order being completely different. For instance, if you're just going by raw power of a profession's top build, ele would be at least number 6, if not higher, and ranger would be dead last, with necro right behind. -- Jai . -  02:17, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. Assassin; 2. Dervish; 3. Warrior; 4. Mesmer; 5. Rit; 6. Necro; 7. Elementalist; 8. Ranger; 9. Paragon; 10. Monk Some clarification: Sin, Dervish and Warrior make up the top 3 because of the DPS, Mesmers have amazing damage and shutdown, rits are versatile but a bit defensefags. Necro and Ele has strong DPS in the form of AP and other useful optionals such as MM, Orders and the broken ER. Rangers can dagger spam lol, paragons are gay and monks are utterly useless. Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 02:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I would put Mesmers at #3 over warrior because they are broken. They deal a good amount of damage (not frontline style, but generous amounts for midline) which is coupled with high defence-tags like rupts, DMS, etc. they are totally broken. Harsh to say monks are useless, but in hero play they aren't necessary at all, so I guess you're right. The whole monk profession is replaced by PwK-MBaS and Spirit Light. ggaynet. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 02:42, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What areas exactly are you guys ranking the professions for..? According to best build? Most builds? Most utility? Best for hero teams? Best for 8 player teams? Best for speedclearing? Because the purpose youre evaluating for drastically changes the order of usefulness. Life Guardian 02:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup. My ranking was along the lines of what prof is best for general PvE, mostly considering hero teams, and looking at the profession's options as a whole rather than their strongest build. Also, monks can still do RoJ better than heroes, which gives them a +1 there. -- Jai . -  03:08, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm just responding to Jai's ranking hehe. Anyway I'm primarily concerned with DPS in standard (7-hero) teams, which PvE combat is all about, things like versatility come second. I don't take speedclear builds into concern because every area can also be completed by a normal team. That's my reason for placing the ele at #7, it has slightly less DPS than the Necro but acces to ER which is basically invincimode. I don't need to explain why Rangers and Paragons suck. I placed monks last because of their lack of DPS and they get outclassed by an ER, or a resto hero for that matter. Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 03:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I could argue on a few of your points you've made, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll just let this go to rest. Whole point is necro's definitely aren't OP and most halfway-decent people realize that nowadays. -- Jai . -  03:25, November 17 2011 (UTC)
 * When only looking at the caster professions, they definitely share a third place with the Ele, after the Mesmer and Rit, no contest there. They are imo a little bit better than eles because of the slightly higher DPS, versatility, and their hero versions are more useful. Anyway, I agree with you that they aren't OP anymore by any means. I thought this was a well-established fact these days. Nevertheless, it's always fun to read everything Excluded writes ^^ Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 03:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Problem with necromancers is they have about 3 worthwhile skills in Blood and Curses, and that's it. Hero Minion Bombers are cool, and hero running Orders is fine (although some people have expressed their hate for these compared to other heroes for melee) but this is why I've found a frontline nigro to be better; I don't need MoP to recharge after every foe; it's anti-synergy and shows I'm doing something wrong if I need another cast per mob. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 10:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Necros have shitty builds except for AP, they're one of the weakest profs for players. They're only OPed on heroes. Balling and spiking with MoP is too much effort. Run FoC and hope the enemies are balled when you cast it. That will get you through must of PvE before you would ever resort to abusing MoP with meleemancer. MoP is overkill and should only be run for lulz. Shame on you for running it seriously excluded.-- Relyk 19:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)