Archive talk:Team - FoW Physicalway

powerful! &mdash;  Skakid  17:36, 26 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Go 4 PvE skills on 1 bar? redo the para

bleh
I'm absolute shit with wikicode. Certain attributes are refusing to show up... :< Snow Bunny  17:43, 26 June 2008 (EDT)


 * You don't put spaces in between 2-word attributes (like Hammer Mastery; it's HammerMastery in WikiCode). I'll fix it. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 17:44, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Is this polished enough or...? What other information do you see as necessary? I'd prefer to not have to list the entire route; not to mention that you basically just leeroy into everything with this, especially in HM.[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]Snow Bunny  18:01, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

I count 6 physicals ;o --Tab  Moo  13:34, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Heh, I noted it as 4 because... Assassin/Dervish/Warrior/Paragon. Thanks for putting it in Trial Snow  Bunny  13:40, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Stop
Making PvE builds. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  13:47, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No. Go away PvP noob. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  13:48, 27 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Quiet the contrary. Stop making GvG builds with 1 changed midliner and a new dumb name. &mdash;  Skakid  13:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Unexist, I may have to bravely 1v1 you. [[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]Snow Bunny  13:50, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm wondering...Why is this called "4 Physical FoW", if there are 5 physicals? -- Come visit  my grass shack!  18:59, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Technically there's 6, if you count the paragon. But the real reason is to cause aneurysms when people get confused by that. =o &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 19:05, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And besides from Rapta's statement there also is a little thing called 'reading' try it, its good. ^.^  Brandnew.  19:06, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 * seriously, GDW--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  04:19, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
 * WTB Healing... WoH protters are kindof dated... drop the para or sin for a second monk and make them both HB... or atleast add some form of other healing... Driggy 02:53, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Driggy you are stupid and prolly ran ursan and failed...Glints Bane 16:48, 4 February 2009 (EST)

real discussion.
My first problem with the build that it completely lacks of condition removal and conditions are numerous in PvE. blindness eats your physicals away. maybe cautery signet and signet of Remedy for paragon... and/or dismiss condition for monk, or a melandru dervish in place of a dwayna with Draw conditions.Borotvalt 10:24, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's a FoW build. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:46, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

"No defense wtb" = you're terrible
I have updated the build to represent the most recent trips taken to FoW. The retard who said drop the Paragon for an HB monk is a moron. You're an idiot if you think an HB monk is better than TNTF/SY! The only real damage taken by anyone in this build is from Spiteful Spirit/Empathy. There is a lot of condition removal now from Foul Feast, a lot of hex removal, etc. It clears HM in 43 minutes; I'm fairly sure that this build is legit.<font color="Black">Snow <font color="Black">Bunny  12:15, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Orders
has three professions. Res sig? - Star Seeker  |  My talk  13:22, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Fixed. Also, with dark fury, is focused anger still needed? -- Sazzy  13:49, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah. Both is sex. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  13:54, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 4adrenaline per hit isn't really needed to keep up save yourselves though imo. Another elite for even better party support is better sex. Good sex > mediocre sex -- Sazzy   15:51, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What else are you going to put there? i doubt you've actually played the entire build, so i'll help you here. You want all of your adrenaline to go to SY! so you can spam it every 2 hits or so. SY! powers your entire bar. What other elite are you thinking? Anything like SoR/SoP is overkill.[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]<font color="Black">Snow <font color="Black">Bunny  15:56, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol don't treat me like some random idiot >.< ! I've played imbagon before and I can maintain SY w/o the orders necro. As the necro gives you double adrenaline, my logic tells me I will still be able to maintain SY without using FA. So, I rather overkill on taking SoR than take something that isn't needed in the first place. Extra party heal never hurt anyone. Might be useful if you're allegiance rank is uber low or something. -- Sazzy   16:12, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Blocking, missing hexes, enchantment stripping etc. Due to circumstances, FA is nice. You're right, it's not crucial, but it's really nice to bring along. Like you said 'it can't hurt', well, FA can't hurt either. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  16:31, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That's a lot of enchant removal if they can rip Dark Fury from you every 5 seconds, esp since they'll most likely rip it from your frontline first. At least put in variants or something that according to the area, you take FA or whatever elite. -- Sazzy  17:15, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Note the name. There's only one area this is designed for. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  17:16, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Saz, what elite do you promote? It can't be motivation or command, seeing as you're not getting the most out of it with 7 spec, and it needs to be leadership/spear mastery. If it's spear mastery, then it's adrenal, which means it's detracting from SY! spam. This is for FoW- not for general pve.[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]<font color="Black">Snow <font color="Black">Bunny
 * Oh I just looked at the tags, apologies for that. And it's not like it wouldn't work outside of FoW anyway. Anyway, if you drop spear mastery by one, DPS would still be ok and you could put 8 into command or motivation, and with the minor rune, take a normal shield for one and take whatever elite you want. Not saying that you have to, just saying that you *can* -- Sazzy  18:02, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

How can you spam Erf Shakur on charge, it doesn't have a recharge :(  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  18:11, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
 * :( As in, you simply spam Earthshaker - under Dark Fury, you often hit enough simply to keep AoE KDing entire mobs.[[Image:Blessed Light.jpg|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]<font color="Black">Snow <font color="Black">Bunny  18:13, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

the Assassin build
could be better; critical strike will return more energy than falling lotus, and Club of a Thousand Bears should be more readily available because of Moebius -- ninpou 11:48, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

misnomer?
why is this called 4 physical fow when you are using 1 war 3 dervs and 1 sin? that is 5 physical attackers not four.. am i missing out on something?Klomi 17:31, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * the point is that it uses 4 different classes for physical dmg <font color="Green">TAKE YOUR <font color="Blue">PILLS  19:43, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

take better order guy
take a order of vamp for some lifestealing or take a d/n with orders so you get more dmg (Oopain) and adranaline(fury) and some aprty wide healings Student of goa 12:24, 20 August 2008 (EDT)student of goa
 * You don't know what you're fucking talking about. So shut up.[[Image:Snow_Bunny_Sig1.jpg‎|User:ISnowBunnyI|20px]]<font color="Black">Snow <font color="Black">Bunny  17:44, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I would have to say an orders derv does work and you could take out GDW and use a orders hero. [SMS] used to run this build and they would use a hero for orders which worked nicely.Glints Bane 14:04, 4 February 2009 (EST)

variants
Another Earthshaker won't work. Too much hex pressure. <font color="Black">Snow <font color="Black">Bunny  12:27, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Keep them on the ground? dont let them cast in the first place?-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 03:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Imbagon
is only marginally useful. With Dark Fury you could put SY! on a derv to save a character slot. Either i'm a PvP noob or this is not that hard to figure out. Discuss ~  Jujipoo  talk 03:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * you're a retard. only thing that needs to be changed in this build is Lightning Spear/Furious Spear for the current Swift Javelin.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 03:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say drop FGJ! on the para for "Go for the Eyes." FA keeps maintaining SY super easy most of the time, and the imbagon shouldn't NEED FGJ in the downtime. I thought go for the eyes was pretty obvious in a build with 6 physicals, not to mention it would let the para actually DW209.136.71.235 19:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

WELL
This needs to be welled to that 5 physicals build...Ofc, that build needs to be welled because no1 does casual pve with 8 people, and no one does anything but speed clears. This build is improperly named because it uses 5 physicals. 3 of said physicals use AoHM, which means orders do absolutely nothing for them.  Life  19:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I count 6 physicals, 1 Warrior, 1 Assassin, 1 Paragon, 3 Dervish. :/ Selket Shadowdancer 20:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ups, forgot the para.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 20:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still ran, my guild runs it, GoDT ran it extremely often, and wit SF having an upcoming nerf it looks like builds like this would get more usage

Detailed Walkthrough
Can any of you provide a detailed walkthrough of where to go and stuff like that? Thank you. 24.16.96.202 19:26, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

the Orders Necro
has masochism, which isn't really useful as this is pve. 86.91.141.232 14:03, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

As the two main spells in the necro build the "orders" are curses, there is no death magic on the build and a +2 to soul reaping is only marginally useful. Wouldn't Awaken the Blood be more useful? And as an added bonus, you don't sac life for every spell :D
 * Looks like an energy management skill that hadn't been changed after the update agesss ago. - <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Athrun <font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Feya - 17:35, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be in favor of swapping out the orders necro for a channeling/smite supporter. Judge's Insight + Strength of Honor + Splinter + GDW + Arage. The 2 orders only benefit half the physicals on this team. Anyone in favor/against this? Whatever the case, this build should definately find room for SoH. Dok 03:42, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Personally
Drop Eremites Attack, change secondary to /Rt and bring Splinter Weapon and FomF or DPS on the Derv. Zedone2 23:15, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Drop a derv and use this. OAOj4wiM5QvgzDHXXbYMeTuEXMA 69.14.1.50 10:19, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * this build is horribly outdated, would someone look into it for me? aohm with orders is grand (though, orders do give nice energy management to the dervs, so i don;t want to just remove.) <font color="Blue">Athrun [[File:Athrun_dot.png]]<font color="DeepPink">Feya 10:48, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could always replace it with Physway; much higher completion rate for PUG groups compared to UW.--<font color="Red">Arrogant Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg Bastard  13:55, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

updated version
what about something like that? Notorious BW 18:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * or just do physway-- Relyk  talk  20:30, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * war needs more protectors strike, 1/3 sec activation attacks for the win (incalculating IAS). Falrach 15:02, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Put GDW on a second ER Infuser instead of the paragon and replace the Orders necro with an AP Mopper. Take out Castigation Signet for a res skill. Basically yes, go physway. Cuilan 20:48, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Physway still exists on PvX? Heh. 2xER over the para, but make sure you have good cleaning; Mark of Pain, Hundred Blades and the like screw over the ER's energy (if you take prot bond, that is). Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 22:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)