Archive talk:A/E Shadow Bomber

i herd they use soj-- Shadow Relyk  07:28, 27 November 2008 (EST)

lol they are mesmers... fail. Zzes Tyan 19:15, 2 December 2008 (EST)

How do you take Blackpowder to Jaga? Spaggage  talk  15:22, 19 January 2009 (EST)
 * Nevermind. Tested it by running round. Works fine. Spaggage  talk  16:46, 19 January 2009 (EST)

What title ranks do you need for this build to work? --66.252.176.74 17:02, 19 January 2009 (EST)

Cleaned up and moved to Trial. Discuss. Spaggage  talk  07:56, 21 January 2009 (EST)

thank you for adding this.... now everyone will know and it'll get nerfed.


 * i recall some of them use SoJ. is the healing enough for it?ƃuoן sı [[Image:Escape.jpg|19px]] ʇɐɔƃuoן 22:18, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * None use SoJ.  Life [[Image:Life Guardian-AoF.jpg|19px]] 22:22, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * Errr, all you need is some decent heals and vow of silence or something to kill them--Relyk _||_  I hammers u! 22:54, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Number of gold drops is ridiculous, saint and I each managed to do 500+ golds in 6-7hours of farming--Golden Star 22:55, 21 January 2009 (EST)
 * cool lets post farming builds on pvx so the prices of those items drop drastically. what a wonderful idea. Gringo 23:04, 21 January 2009 (EST)


 * --Relyk _||_  I hammers u! 00:19, 22 January 2009 (EST)
 * Well I can see the number of golds dropping rapidly in the next month or so. Though I love running SoO. The build was even posted here and I can still charge 10-12k per person. Would adding some sort of damage skill speed anything up or does it not even matter? [[Image:Shino sig.png]]10:24, 23 January 2009 
 * wouldnt matter at all, kegs kill in like ~7 seconds if you drop properly, usually less. Gringo 11:13, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * this build is by far the best one to farm golds for inscris/wisdom titleClose[[Image:CloseImpactSW.jpg|19px]]Impact Pet Whale  11:17, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * which is why it should be off pvx -.-' Gringo 11:26, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * STFUClose[[Image:CloseImpactSW.jpg|19px]]Impact Pet Whale  11:30, 23 January 2009 (EST)


 * Gringo, in all honesty, you're being a complete moron. Just cause "it's on PvX" doesn't mean it gets instanerfed, if at all. -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  11:43, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * who said anything about a nerf? its about prices, like when perma SF was posted and ectos dropped from 5k to 3k. and chill out, all i said was that i didn't like builds like this being posted on pvx, i can have my opinion about something so trivial without being called a moron. Gringo 11:49, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * ectos are a complete different story,uno? farming 50 ectos a day is asking for a nerf, this isnt[and the GW 'economy' wont blow upby this]<font color="#009933">Close[[Image:CloseImpactSW.jpg|19px]]Impact<font color="#003300"> Pet Whale  11:56, 23 January 2009 (EST)

KWIK TAEK OFF UWSC IT IWLL GET NURRFEFED TEW! Stop QQ-ing about non-existent nerfs pls, just keep the build on PvX. 12:41, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * again, no one here is talking about nerfs.. Gringo 12:48, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * it doesnt matter. it doesnt matter. it doesnt matter that this build is on pvx, the things u get there are merchfood annyway<font color="#009933">Close[[Image:CloseImpactSW.jpg|19px]]Impact<font color="#003300"> Pet Whale  12:52, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * thank you for adding this.... now everyone will know and it'll get nerfed.
 * l2read dear Gringo. 217.120.228.192 12:55, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * some IP that couldnt even sign his comment added it, and lyssan caps locks his comment in response to it. very appropriate reaction ye ur right mr ip. Gringo 13:09, 23 January 2009 (EST)

It's says shadowstep to bludger. Shoulnd a shadowstep be added then? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 13:43, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Return, Death's Retreat and Ebon Escape are all shadowsteps. Spaggage  talk  13:47, 23 January 2009 (EST)

My guild has beeen doing this for a while already. Although all the credit does not go the the poster (I was mad cause I was thinking about posting it), it is worth being on PVX. I really just farm this for the wisdom title. also, it's great for event drops.--Vgfanatic2 16:05, 23 January 2009 (EST)

You have: 1. Ruined this farm. It will be same as Raptors. WHY YOU HAVE WROTTEN IT ON PVX?! 2. F**ked SF. Gz o.O 83.29.127.20 03:35, 24 January 2009 (EST)

When I do this run, I only kill the vaetiir on the side with more of them, just because it takes 1 min to kill 30 something, or 2 mins to kill 60. It's just a suggestion, but its more kills per hour.--Vgfanatic2 16:57, 24 January 2009 (EST)

Titles
I usually dislike playing on my sin but this is looks interesting. What title ranks do you need for the pve skills and why use "IAU!" if Spectral Vaettir do not knock down? --68.82.225.152 13:50, 23 January 2009 (EST)


 * It's for the run (Modniir ftl) -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  13:51, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * and you dont always need it, i use dash instead of IAU on my second account because it has no title skills. Gringo 13:53, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ok, good to know then. Thanks. --68.82.225.152 14:03, 23 January 2009 (EST)

HM
Is this possible in HM? I cant find it in the article, im struggling with the run in HM atm NeoBro 15:12, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * It should only be done in HM. The easiest way is to go the long way in the second zone (going down and then heading up through the mountains). If you go the top way its faster but Trample goes through SF and it might kill you. Gringo 15:19, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Ahh thank you so much, them candy apples are getting wasted... cheers :D NeoBro 15:20, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Wow, i see why this is farmed now... and why NM sucked, awesome build :) NeoBro 16:03, 23 January 2009 (EST)

If low on energy...
Try using this for the running build...

Shadow Arts: 12+3+1

Inspiration Magic: 12

The two optionals should be filled with the suggests posted in this build. However, you can switch the Heart of Shadow/Viper's Defence for "I am unstopable" if you want to take the shorter, harder way (the one with all the modniirs). This build is pretty easy to use once you get used to the echo timing. Also, Auspicious Incantation does not effect the recharge of echo because right after u use echo, that recharge will be longer; however, after it is replaced by the copied sf, the recharge starts over, and it isn't affected by the extra recharge. Lastly, dark escape lasts longer because you wont have to use deadly paradox while dark escape is in affect. I just cast Auspicious right after dark escape ends (you have a few extra seconds between it ending and when you need to cast echo.

For those who dont know, cast in this order:

1>2>3>4>5>6>3(when the recharge of sf is at about the bottom left corner)>(restart the process as soon as dark escape ends by casting 1, then continue with the chain when echo has recharged)--Vgfanatic2 16:45, 23 January 2009
 * why? running there is the hard part, and once ur there energy is a breeze (you just keep up SF and use deaths retreat to the dwarf). People should take the extra 90 seconds to run the long way because theyll be farming there for so long its not like ittl make a difference. energy shouldn't be a question at all really... Gringo 16:48, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * After the last sf nerf, you have to recharge sf more often and its harder to maintain energy.--Vgfanatic2 17:29, 23 January 2009 (EST)


 * You merely have to maintain it, which takes 4 pips of energy regen. Guess what? Sins have 4 :) -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  17:32, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * Just look at the Perma Running Build discussion page.--Vgfanatic2 17:35, 23 January 2009 (EST)


 * Perma runners generally use more skills than just GoS/DP/SF, eh? -- ›[[Image:Many srs beans.png|Srs Bean Mafia.]] <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  17:37, 23 January 2009 (EST)
 * What about the other 10 energy from dark escape and dwarven stability. Also, with this you have dark escape up more of the time.--Vgfanatic2 17:38, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Also note that i titled this: If low on energy. I posted this to help people out and to keep annoying energy questions off the discussion page.--Vgfanatic2 17:49, 23 January 2009 (EST)

Peeplez stop bein greedy/paranoid...it's not as if this idea hasn't been around since sf was buffed in the first place.

Anyhoo when I do this I bring dark escape dash shadow refuge and heart of shadow. I find shadow refuge comes in handy if you feel like fighting the pop ups with soj and other things that go through sf. You can easily kill them if you drop the barrels well before they come up to you. Also when you get to the vaettirs heart of shadow makes it easier to get out of their body blocking and get to ogden again. Oh yea and farming the berserk animals near olafstead is another VERY profitable farm. Plus it has a boss. Warning you HAVE to pre drop the barrels when Bison are there or they will annihilate you.

somebodyyyy
Post a video. I'm too tired to read usage. -- Shazam Loves  Obama obamaobamaobamaobamaobama 01:56, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * basically just go out through northwest entrance in HM, go south until you hit portal, go through, then go the downwards route, cut up through mountains to next portal, then hug left wall till ur there. once there just round them up (starting on the left) into two groups, kill each one at a time. then just portal and redo. Gringo 02:25, 24 January 2009 (EST)

Oh yea I am unstoppable isn't necessary for all you people who don't have it. Just make sure you have shadows refuge and pre drop lots of barrels for the modiniirs.
 * actually if you do it perfectly you never have to aggro any of them. Gringo 10:32, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * You just have to take a longer, less difficult way around ;) I'm posting a video of this very soon so Shazam won't have to read. 12:07, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * Thanks much. -- Shazam Loves  Obama obamaobamaobamaobamaobama 14:08, 24 January 2009 (EST)

Video uploaded. It's being processed right now so it should be fully working in the next 5-10 minutes. 20:15, 24 January 2009 (EST)

My Problem..
You cant damage the shrine gaurd with the kegs, so no Norn Rep for me QQ -- 12:00, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * kill it with another build first, then he will always give it to you. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 12:03, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * wdo you mean kill him there with a build, then it will always be available? -- 12:09, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * yes.. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 12:12, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * i killed him by bringing vipers and iron palm for the optionals, and bringing a pair of zealous daggers. Keep him poisoned with vipers, KD heal sig with iron palm (brawling headbutt could probably work too), and auto-attack for energy. It's good norn rep ~200 per run, and each run takes 1-2 minutes tops--<font color=#C68E17>Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]<font color=#C68E17>Star 09:06, 25 January 2009 (EST)

so kegfarm finally hit wiki
well idk why you all are "testing" it, its been used since last year, now we just have to wait for the nerf from anet--162.40.204.45 12:28, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * all you get is unIDs doubt theyll nerf it Gringo 12:30, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * And 5 votes gets it into whatever working category, regardless of however long the build has been used for or how effective it is. 12:31, 24 January 2009 (EST)

PvX has never and will never be a reference for Anet.  Ricky vantof  12:53, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * only people on gwguru think it is :O --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">20:18, 24 January 2009 
 * And evilman. 20:22, 24 January 2009 (EST)

Why me? xD EVILMAN!= 20:48, 24 January 2009 (EST)
 * people on gwguru never think. --Anonimous. D: 21:05, 24 January 2009 (EST)

GJ
Gj, now anet will nerf this within 2-3weeks. Goodbye keg farm -.- Some ppl don't understand that putting farm builds with SF on pvx = nerf that farm. Keep doing this = Sin will be unable to farm.Kamis 08:41, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Don't QQ and as pointed out above, ANet doesn't check what's on pvx. And sins unable to farm is no bad thing, farming is good when it can't be soloed. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 08:47, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * ^ agreed: PvX never has, and never will be, a reference for Anet. This build has been around for ages, circulating Youtube, Google, etc, etc.  So stop QQ-ing because we're not going to take this build off of PvX just because you thought it was super sekreet and rly gud and noaw anet's gunna nuref it.  09:02, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * i seriously doubt anet could care about this farm anyway, they are trying to make it so that SF builds are still viable and this certainly is. as for the drops from this i dont see glacial stones being that big of a market and the golds that drop are not that great, some good mods every now and then sure but no skins that are sell worthy, as mentioned above mostly merch fodder. aside from a slight increase of gold in the market, the guildwars economy will not suffer, if anything it should be better since more ppl will have gold to buy stuff. the reason the ecto farm was bad was that it was farming ectos which are used as high end currency and an influx of valuable currency means its demand goes down and therefore its price.-- Jarad  the   Devarkin  00:28, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * they need to keep permas viable because they're used as tanks in teams too. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 04:41, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * Well they don't need to, but y'know, they're not gonna bother balancing it. <font color=#1874CD>Napalm [[Image:Napalm_Flame_Sig.jpg‎|25px]] <font color=#1874CD>Flame <font color=#000000>contributions  04:49, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * no they aren't, they said it themself. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 04:51, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * They knew what they were doing when they buffed it. People were only ever going to use maintainable invincibility for 1 thing in PvE and tanking for a general PvE team isn't it. - [[Image:Panic_sig7.gif‎]] 05:04, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I just think that Anet will nerf this cos of profit made by this farm and I'm not QQ-ing. Just tried to tell you my IMO. AND this build wasn't some kind of Top Secret, but now even more ppl gonna use it = pathetic drops. Kamis 06:57, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * more people farming an area does in no way mean less drops. lol, look at how much the raptors get butchered, and they still drop shit and havent been nerfed. and it's not all that profitable in the long run, tbh, compared to something like three UWSCs an hour. --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">07:01, 26 January 2009 
 * Quit crying. If A-Net actually read any consumer based items and cared about it, Izzy's ass would be fired, Palm Strike would have an 8 sec recharge, and Guild Wars would be slightly less overpowered. -- 07:06, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * people need OP skills, people want them, people need someone to blame. -- -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 07:24, 26 January 2009 (EST)

STOP QQ-ING ABOUT ANOTHER NERF THEY WONT NERF SHADOW FORM AGAIN AND THEY WONT NERF THIS FARM IF THEY DIDENT NERF UWSC'S THEY ARE NOT GOING TO NERF THIS.BESIDES ABOUT 4 UWSC CAN BE DONE IN 2 HOURS AND PEOPLE ARE GETING RARE ITEMS SUCH AS OBSIDIAN EGES EVERLASTING TONICS ... AND LOWERING THE RARETY OF THOSE ITEMS SO IF THEY ARE PLANING ON NERFING BE SURE ITS UWSC FIRST THEN THE OTHER FARMS!AND IF THEY DO NERF SHADOW FORM ASSASINS ITS A STUPID MOVE THEY WILL JUST FUCK UP ITEMS THAT GO ON SALE IN TOWN AND WILL SCREW THE GUILD WARS ECONOMY COS PERMAS ARE THE NO.1 FARMERS THESE DAYS SO ALL THE ECTOS WE GET COME FROM PERMAS BUSTING THAIR BUTS FARMING 24/7 SO U GUYS COULD BUY OBSI ARMOR AND BUY ECTOS FOR LIKE 1.6K LESS SO STOP QQ-ING AND LOVE THE PERMAS FOR DOING A GOOD THING GETTING ALL THOSE ITEMS AND ECTOS FOR US
 * First thing, don't scream. Second: LOL! I have to start making uwsc again! Everlastings + Obby Edges O.o.Whats the drop rate of Everlasting? Better than Z-Chest drop? Thanks to u UW chests drop those? -.-. Third, SIGN your comments. -[[Image:KamisSig.png]]<font face="calibri" color="black" variant="small caps">10:55, 9 February 2009

Actually, I tend to view drops as a finite value for a specific time frame. I know it's not verified, but I believe if at any time I was the only farmer kegging, all the drops will be gold items or black dye, and if there are 3 people farming at that instant the total gold items among us would still be 60 and so on and so forth. So based on that logic, if at any point in time there are 60 people kegging then we only get 1 gold item each on average. To me that makes sense since there are runs where you don't get anything. That would be a most convenient explanation, since it is so much more convenient to blame too many farmers for your low drop rate than your own overfarming. So yes, I don't like the idea that more and more people will be kegging because of the build being posted here. But it's more based on superstitious beliefs about drop rates and not on real scientific facts. Nevertheless, I still want to keep my prejudices and I don't care that the truth is something else. So there. I hate this build being here      -- Irrational Whiner 08:43, 26 May 2009 (GMT)

Don't revert the vandal
Wait for it to get locked. We're accomplishing nothing God  Zefir  18:35, 26 January 2009 (EST)

lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sup3BuYob2s 91.178.244.168 06:58, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Things you can get from this farm
So far from 3 days farming i got 7 black dyes 5 white dyes 20 silver dyes 13 red dyes 40 blue dyes and 34 yellow dyes.And about 40 unid gold items + about 8k in gold this is the best farm for dyes i have ever seen im geting richer every day just remember guys dont overfarm or u will get crapy stuff and no dyes at all.
 * Wow, you hardly got any golds. You sure you're on HM? Spaggage  talk  12:09, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 * yea it takes me about 90 minutes to get 50 golds, and i leave everything (except black dyes). Saint 12:22, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yep, that's the way to do things. Spaggage  talk  12:22, 1 February 2009 (EST)

NOOOO DEYR GUNA NERF DID SPOT!?!
THEYR GOENG TO NERF VATTIRS!!! I FORM ON MY ELE N NOW DEYL SUK NOOOO DARNIT!!!!!
 * 1. Sign. 2. See the rest of the talk page. Spaggage  talk  11:14, 10 February 2009 (EST)

This Build
Can farm like everything in jaga morain, well not everything, but i was just sprinting around seing what i could do, i took out whiteout (just, 40hp left) Avarr the fallen (piece of piss) althought i got nothing of worth (1 purple sephis axe, 1 purple pair of daggers) its interesting if you want the green and want to have a try, you could just kill the vaetries then charge upto the boss you want. But it adds about 10-15 minutes onto your run, and ive killed them both about 10 times and gotten nothing, so im not gonna bother.
 * Ha killed 154 things before dying in 35 minutes. Mountain pinnisule traps finnished me.

Legendary Survivor
Could be a quick way to get it through Assassin primary?<font color="SaddleBrown">The Liger  <font color="Darkgoldenrod">talk  08:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 18:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you managed to collect all the required skills and get to EotN without dying, yes. You also then have to survive a minimum of one run to Jaga Moraine. 128.255.216.144 20:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I've got all the required skills and my Survivor is in Gunnar's. I'm just a bit scared of messing up. Will I need to get a runner to Sifhalla or should I just perma my way there?[[Image:Signature-Liger414.png|19px]]<font color="SaddleBrown">The Liger  <font color="Darkgoldenrod">talk  08:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 11:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hold your hand over alt-f4 and SF run there. Watch out for horses ;o --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  11:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, mkay.[[Image:Signature-Liger414.png|19px]]<font color="SaddleBrown">The Liger  <font color="Darkgoldenrod">talk  08:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 11:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I am NEVER using alt+f4 again. Next time I'm logging...My Survivor died to a Frost Wurm even thought I alt+f4 as soon as I saw it.<font color="SaddleBrown">The Liger  <font color="Darkgoldenrod">talk  08:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC) 13:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Guild wars sees alf f4 as a d/c, and will hold you active for some time. It's way safer to go to your GH, or logging off. I thought you knew that viper? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 17:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It always worked for me, so, gg. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

its a sad day when a once proud build is put on wiki :( i heard it was on here and i had to look, i expect so see this nerfed soon, thanks to the author for working with anet to nerf the hell outta guildwars... first HFFF then amatz now this -.-
 * ... lol? <font color="Black">Drah <font color="DarkRed">Mc <font color="Black">Ninja  06:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Some people just don't get how this game work. Never mind those few simple minds... Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 17:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Mainbar
Dash and Ebon Escape should be mainbar instead of the optionals as they make the run so much faster and easier in my opinion. Take the two best choices in mainbar and list the others as variants. Selket Shadowdancer 14:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I see how Dash makes is faster, I fail to see how Ebon Escape does though? Brandnew 14:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because you can just run into the middle of all the vatteirs and then teleport to Budger (target him at start of run) and start dropping kegs with no need to worry about bodyblocking, teleporting out, then run to Budger. You can also dash+teleport to the norn at the shrine (if farming norn points) to make the run quicker and can also use Budger to get out of bodyblocking more dependantly than using Heart of Shadow or Vipers Defense as you will always know where you will shadow step. Selket Shadowdancer 14:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And Return/Death's Retreat doesn't do the exact same thing? Brandnew 14:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ebon has a shorter recharge I believe. Return is ok for running, but isn't as practical against Vattier. Selket Shadowdancer 14:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, I use Return and it's <3<3. The cripple doesn't really matter because the kegs aren't exploding before they reach you anyway. Brandnew 14:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess that's a matter of opinion. I prefer the shorter recharging shadowstep. Cripple isn't really needed because they don't really scatter anyway if you lay kegs down fast enough. I've been using Ebon Escape all weekend and had no issues using it whatsoever. Selket Shadowdancer 14:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * None with Return either, there isn't really an advantage to one of all three tbh ;p Brandnew 14:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There is but you just dont see what I'm getting at. You can basically run around and grab all the agro then just shadowstep without balling them up, to Budger and wait for them to settle around you while you lay dwn kegs. If you do that with Return the kegs start blowing up before they get near you because half of them are crippled. It's something I'd have to show you if you don't get what I mean (which I'd be more than happy to). Selket Shadowdancer 14:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually; nope. I start laying down kegs as soon as I've aggroed the last group and they still are all at me in time for the first keg to explode D: Brandnew 14:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'll agree to disagree here seems we can't reach an agreement between us. One thing I think we both can agree on is that Dash should be mainbar and that Deaths Retreat isn't really needed, neither is Heart of Shadow or Vipers Defense, when you can run Return or Ebon Escape over them. So in that case I vote for Dash mainbar with an optional slot for Return or Ebon Escape. Selket Shadowdancer 14:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It really doesn't matter what you bring as long as you kill them.--Relyk 15:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Nerfed
had to happen sometime Quackerz0 23:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thursday, June 11
Budger Blackpowder will now wait a few seconds between dispensing Powder Kegs in Explorable Areas.

Does that mean..... 68.91.131.199 23:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Konner

NERFED
haha learnt this build 2 days ago, now its nerfed >.< thx anet!!

Somethign i allways wanted to say!
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Funny considering the above
I love all the above statements about how this wouldn't get nerfed.... I mean we all knew it was going to happen from the second it was posted, but still funny. Just read them today and it makes you lol. Hate that they changed him though because this messes up the actual uses of him. Tenetke Mekko   My Talk 15:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He will change from something frequently used to a dead NPC. They might as well take him out. 86.161.105.244 20:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * True. Did anet say exactly how long was the "couple of seconds?" because if it's not that long a few modifications to the build might still make it somewhat viable...just a thought--mdragon1023 04:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

lol anet fixed pve just a little bit--Relyk 09:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I loled at
reason for archive. Goodnight, sweet prince. 95.119.127.127 12:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * *Plays Taps in background, puts hat over heart, sheds man tear.* -- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you don't appreciate Hamlet, you're a fag. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  16:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you just making a random statement, or addressing someone?--72.189.84.224 16:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Stating a fact should anyone attempt to disagree with me. ;o ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  16:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Still Working
Still The build works it is only slower still it is the fastest way to get mesmer tome's and festival items and norn points it only takes a bit longer
 * raptor farming, m8. =/ ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 17:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

nah i maxed asura with that this works great for norn points :P