Archive talk:Mo/Me Lyssa's Aura Smiter

discuss go   - STAR  OF  EXILE  11:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT)


 * If only you could use Divine Boon. Otherwise, Smiting is lackluster without Divine Favor. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]]  Guild  of   Deals   12:39, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I could change it to Mo/Me I guess, easy enough   - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] STAR OF  EXILE  12:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Reversal of Damage too!!! God  box    12:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * are you being serious? (I'm not great at understanding sarcasm when it's typed)   - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] STAR OF  EXILE  12:45, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * RoD is amazing. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah. --[[Image:Dervsig.png|15px]] <font color="#191970">An <font color="#191970">gel <font color="#191970">us  12:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Variants or main bar? and should I move this to Mo/Me? <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  12:48, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * RoD should be on every Smiter bar. And Mo/Me probably. Just make attribs Inspiration 11, Smiting 11+1+1, Divine 8+1. Smiter's aren't really good with Divine Favor. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:red;background-color:gold;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"> Guild  of   Deals   12:49, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Done. Should I stick in Divine Boon somewhere or is that overkill <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  12:52, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd drop Zealot's and SoH for Divine Boon. You'll have pretty tough energy otherwise. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:red;background-color:gold;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"> Guild  of   Deals   12:54, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Cool <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  12:57, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't know too much about GvG and meta or whatever, but why is Power Return in this build? -- <font color="#191970">An <font color="#191970">gel <font color="#191970">us  13:13, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Primarily to keep up Lyssa's Aura, secondly as a very spammable interrupt. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  13:15, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Lyssa's aura makes itself uncoverable. It sucks in GvG/HA/TA. Might be half decent for RA/AB/CM, but there you wouldn't ever want to run a smiter. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  13:20, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm, that's a point. Thing is - you can cancel Divine Boon and still do decent party support (smite hex/condi/RoD), which isn't too heavy on energy, until you can get LA back up again. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  13:22, 11 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Nice, and you can use smiter's boon for pve aswell. =] --Mr.Onion 13:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * THIS IS TRUE! <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  14:09, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Testing?
Y/N? <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  16:13, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
 * More DF imo -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 11:14, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Alright, changed to 11, 10(+1+1), 10(+1) <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  11:19, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Anything else anyone would suggest before moving to testing? <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  11:22, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh, I wouldn't suggest using this outside of PvE and maybe for Heroes because you're basically trying to create an Eliteless PvP Smiter (because Divine Boon+Lyssa's Aura=Smiter's Boon before the nerf). In PvE, you can use both Smiter's Boon and Divine Boon, though, so it should be pretty great there. ــмıкε  нaшк  11:27, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Isn't there a smiting skill you could use instead of Power Return? Noemi 12:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Not that a) is spammable or b) targets a foe, no. and should i take off the PvP tags then? <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  13:09, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

for reference...
Here's how it would go:
 * Divine favor = 12
 * 11 * 3.2 = 38.4, rounds to 38.
 * double that from Smiter's boon = 76.
 * Add bonus from Divine Boon: 76 + 51 = 127.

So you're healing an ally for 127 WHILE doing damage to foes at the same time. Pretty solid. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  13:15, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

testing
Moved from trial. rate gogo. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  13:52, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Grr i'll edit the tags for PvP, i guess it can be used in both <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  15:07, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

WW
Put Wastrels in the main bar, Power Return at 0 FC does more damage than good. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  16:37, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll make it an optional. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  16:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Preturn @ 0 can be usefull if you use it well, tbh. Interupting the fuck out of fire ele's or dom mesmers is an perfect example, as their e-mangment doesn't matter. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  06:38, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It's PvE.... they have infinite fucking energy anyway, who cares if they get infinite + 10? - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 06:39, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Both are in variants because either works really, but yeah, P-return works better in the long run, so I think i'll make it "suggested." <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  07:08, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Smiter's boon and all that
Yes, as you say, just putting Smiter's boon works. But why not add Divine Boon while you at it and get an extra 48hp of healing power with every spell? it turns it's healing from meh to pretty good. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  17:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * What?  17:52, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * People are saying in the ratings "just use smiter's boon," I'm saying why not use both. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  18:40, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * What?-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 19:58, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * In PvE, you're supposed to take Smiter's Boon AND Divine Boon with this build. XD ــмıкε  нaшк  20:22, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Finally, someone gets it. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  05:14, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

PvP Tags
Yes or no? It seems there's some argument, and this build IS very solid in PvE, just not quite as good in PvP. It's still very useable in pvp tho. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  06:36, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Not really. Smiting sucks in RA/AB, and as for GvG and TA, let's just say there are much better choices. Keep it to PvE imo. Also, it's rather disconcerting that this build is receiving more attention than mine... Noemi 11:16, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Ok, took off the PvP tags, they're gonna stay off. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  12:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Rate. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR  <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  12:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Be real brave
Add Zealout's Fire for the res sig :o -- Frosty  14:01, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It's in variants, and i figure since you won't necessarily be taking this as your main healer, you might at well be able to res. I guess I can make the last slot optional tho. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  14:02, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Defender's Zeal accomplish the same thing as Lyssa's aura, only better :/ God  box    14:18, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I disagree, Lyssa's Aura means an extra 4 energy every 3 seconds, with Divine boon up and your natural regen that's a total of 7 energy every 3 seconds. With D-Zeal and Divine boon up, that's 3 energy every 3 seconds plus 2 energy each time the foe hits, and say it's using a sword, that's 2 energy every 1.33 seconds. On average, that's just over 7 energy every 3 seconds. However - D-zeal requires the foe to be hitting, so, if you have aegis/d-anthem or something, then less/no energy. D-zeal can be removed from a foe by it's ally (Yes, LA can be removed from you, but if you're in the backline this is less likely), and if you're only fighting casters, then they aren't attacking a) as fast or b) as often, so less energy. <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  14:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * All mobs attack in PvE and it can be maintained on more foes. God  box    14:36, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't really care for Defender's Zeal. Heroes aren't really great with it, and who actually wants the mobs to hit with their attacks? Lyssa's Aura serves as unconditional energy management, but having to split your attributes for it kind of sucks, tbh. If it were up to me, I'd use Boon Signet+Castigation Signet (+Mantra of Inscriptions) with an Orders spammer to make sure there will be enough enchantments. Something like:


 * [build prof=Mo/Me DivineFavor=12+1+3 SmitingPrayers=11+1 InspirationMagic=6][Boon Signet][Reversal of Damage][Smite Hex][Smite Condition][Castigation Signet][Mantra of Inscriptions][Smiter's Boon][Divine Boon][/build]


 * ــмıкε нaшк  15:44, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * That's about 6-7 energy every 3 seconds (before you count natural regen), so 9-10 energy every 3 seconds in total. ^^ ــмıкε  нaшк  15:48, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Heh, I just submitted the above build. =P ــмıкε  нaшк  16:10, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Nice, but that's a completely different build :P edit: oyeahforgot2sign <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="darkred" size="2"> - [[Image:Tai_MS.jpg|19px]] <font color="darkred" size="1">STAR <font color="darkblue" size="1">OF  <font color="darkred" size="1">EXILE  17:26, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * That's why I just submitted it. XD ــмıкε  нaшк  17:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Headpiece switch
Added note. helps for extra heals just like it does on UA/HB mimiry. J ustin  6   22:01, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Also added epidemic as one of the skills to maintain LA because of its correct stats and nice effect. Unlinked ftw J  ustin  6  [[image:Justing6_siggypic.png|19px]] 22:08, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
 * No, use power return.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 14:00, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Hero?
I lol'd. I wonder how terrible heroes are at maintaining LA? -- › <font color="#27408B">Srs Beans R Srs  14:05, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * With an interrupt, not terrible?<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 14:06, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I can take the hero tag off, when I made this I thought it meant you were playing with heroes :P [[Image:Tai_Sig_Image.png|19px]]<small style="border-style:solid;font-variant:small-caps;border-width:2px;border-color:black;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"><font size ="1" color="black" face="verdana">McTai  13:43, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
 * Heroes use LA when they aggro, so they're fine. The only issue would be maintaining it, but even if you put Wastrel's on there it should be fine. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:red;background-color:gold;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"> Guild  of   Deals   13:45, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
 * kkk. [[Image:Tai_Sig_Image.png|19px]]<small style="border-style:solid;font-variant:small-caps;border-width:2px;border-color:black;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"><font size ="1" color="black" face="verdana">McTai  13:47, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

DZ vs LA
Which one do heroes use better? And why not and. <font face="Arial" color="gray">19:53, 19 March 2009

smiters boon?
got nerfd //didnt c its pveSharpened Daggers aka RIP 07:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also Divine Boon got changed.--98.238.169.189 08:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

lyssa's aura
correct me if im wrong but i see no skill in the build or variants that can be spammed, lyssa's aura needs you to cast a spell on an enemy for it to refresh, seems to me like a waste of an eliteMoosymoose 12:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ups your bad and blind.-- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 12:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * wtb a proper reply. i fail to see how you maintain lyssa's aura a simple 'this is what you do' answer would of been fine but you choose to be ignorateMoosymoose 13:32, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * optional #1. &mdash; μαφλεσ 17:07, September 1, 2009 (UTC)