User talk:Toraen/Archive 10

extensiony goodnees
apparently it's going live (is live?) today.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  00:44, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Woot! [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 00:50, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Aren't the images correct (see pic)?.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  08:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * My cache hadn't cleared at the time, so I wasn't going to remove them right away. Then I fell asleep. -- Toraen   confer  16:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Recent/User Ratings fix didn't work though. :< -- Toraen   confer  16:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Completely off topic but my username problem? Silent  17:04, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Completely off topic, but when the section was archived don't you think the problem was left alone? :P [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 17:11, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Since none of the other admins seem to be bothered enough to bust you back to chonsy (and you did the bulk of the transition work and have been editing/voting), I'll ban your previous account. Thanks for removing your old votes by the way. -- Toraen   confer  17:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That said, don't do it again.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  17:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Np that wont happen anymore. Ty btw. Silent   17:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

"Both sides failed to communicate properly with each other"
Come on, you know that is a load of bull. Look at the talk for the UW build. Relyk kept bringing up his comments, and I kept explaining that nobody knew what he was talking about, and asked him politely to clarify. Look at the section where Innoruuk asked if it was ready to be vetted, and I stood up for the fact that relyk had some reservations. Please explain how I failed to communicate here? Smity Smitington !!  on 19:00, May 11 2012 (UTC)
 * Hostile communication is a failure to properly communicate, and I saw plenty of that. I didn't have the luxury of following this as it developed, so sorry for not having a grasp yet on how the whole revert-comment-talk mess worked out. Also, stop dragging this conversation across multiple talks. It is now on three talks and I'm getting rather short on patience. -- Toraen   confer  19:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, well I am just irritated that Relyk wouldn't say anything about the build when it was in testing/trial, then as soon as it was vetted, decided to express his thoughts through making vast changes to the build. You could view my reverts as extreme, but really it was done in one act to revert the build to how it stood before all the vast changes took place which were the center of debate. I wanted to restore it to how it was when a discussion should have taken place to begin with. Smitysmitehex.png Smity Smitington !!   on 19:09, May 11 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe he didn't see the build until it was already vetted? Maybe he thought his changes were for the better? That's not to say he was correct, but you shouldn't just make these assumptions when you don't know why he acted the way he did. As for your reverting I think the issue was more you did it over a lot of reverts as opposed to finding the last "good/clean" version of the page, and saving back to that, there by creating a lot of spam in recent changes, as well as the page's history.  ~ PheNaxKian talk  19:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't need good faith, I was there through the whole process and so was he. We have evidence of this in the talk page.  The problem is that he said a few times that the page didn't follow formatting standards, but wasn't available for comment when asking to clarify, and specify what was wrong with the page.  He took no part in constructive contributions during the pages creation, and instead decided to wait until it was vetted and make radical changes to the concept of the page.  And, yes, I am aware of how to do the reverts properly now, I will do that in the future. Smitysmitehex.png Smity Smitington !!   on 20:03, May 11 2012 (UTC)
 * Look, I am sorry for causing drama, but it is not fair that I am being labeled the bad guy here. Why don't both of you guys research this matter a bit, read the talk page, you will see where I am coming from, and also see who began the hostile language. I'm out and moving on from this issue. Smitysmitehex.png Smity Smitington !!   on 20:15, May 11 2012 (UTC)
 * Smity is getting unfairly tarred here, relyk's arguments (when rarely present) have been weak. <font face="Constantia" color=#D2691E>Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx  20:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought we sorted this all out, what the fuck are you on about now smity? [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 21:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

This was way more drama then it should've been. As the original page has been moved to a guide, I have no more issues with it. Build:Team - UW 600 Duo is posted, so my brevity should no longer be lacking.-- Relyk 21:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * For what it is worth, I am sorry that I got so hotly into this one. I needed to get the ef out of my house and think about things.  I think you will find that I am not so unreasonable if you just make an attempt at a well supported statement or argument. I am much more willing to make comprise and accept the viewpoints of others than I may have been in the past.  You brought some decent arguments once things heated up, but you could have been a little more forthtelling with your original problems.  And like I just said, I need to cool down about it, because it is just pvx. Smitysmitehex.png <font color=black face="Lucida Blackletter">Smity Smitington <font color=black face="Lucida Blackletter">!!   on 05:23, May 12 2012 (UTC)
 * MADNESS! THIS IS SPARTA! -- Jai .  -  12:56, May 12 2012 (UTC)

To whom it may concern
User:Akio_Katsuragi would formally like to request your blessings in creating User:Akio, just redirecting all of his shit, and using it instead of his current account because short names are nice and its not like anyone knows the last half anyways. If that's cool, aigh't with you, etc... that'd be pretty bitchin tbh. You're cooperation is appreciated and he looks forward to your swift and timely response. Or if you're busy and it takes a bit, it's still cool. We all have lives and stuff, no rush. Either way, was jw.  Akio _Ka  t  suragi    07:09, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that is extremely pointless. All it affects is the url of pages and what it fucks up is a lot of things. If you want to just start signing as Akio, I am fine with that. A new misery  07:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * that works too. <3  A kio   Akio_Katsuragi_Sig2.jpg 08:14, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You'll always be Shaniqua Le Fonda to me. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 09:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * how would le mis feel about a user redirect and a perma on that name instead? Danny 02:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not really necessary. -- Toraen   confer  14:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ^If someone made that name we would tell them to fuck off as an obvious troll anyway + checkuser. A new misery  18:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * if we don't handle it preemptively, the terrorists win. americalogic. Danny 03:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Votes from perma'd users
I know I posted earlier on the AN, but I was just hoping for some discussion on what the admins' general opinion on this issue is. If it were up to me, votes by perma'd users should be able to be removed if anyone brings them up as the ban is basically saying that said user has no more say on the wiki. Of course, I'm obviously not the one making up the rules. So would you mind giving your input on this one? -- Jai .  -  17:57, May 26 2012 (UTC)

So Rask said I should add that I'm biased in this situation because everyone knows I fucking despise Minion with a raging passion, so that should be kept in mind. -- Jai .  -  18:00, May 26 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with banned users votes staying. Unless they are troll votes and he/she was banned for trolling (in which case the vote would obviously be removed). Other than that, it's a non issue in my opinion. <font color="Black">Frostels 18:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ^Made official via noticeboard. Lau got the one double vote we know of resolved, but if you see any others just let us know. -- Toraen   confer  23:23, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the main thing is we don't want to go through and manually remove every vote whenever someone gets permabanned. It happens more often than you'd think! Plus, Minion was actually only banned for one year ^__________^ A new misery  07:18, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It was more directed at removing Soi's votes. Also, Minion got himself extended to a perma for repeated attempts at circumventing his block. -- Toraen   confer  07:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Guild Wars
Them is currently working more than he would like too and we won't be able to focus on our guild as much as we'd like to, wondering if you'd like to join us for some casual slavers' SC sometime. Hit me up on msn. 23:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea when I'll next log in to GW. If you're still looking for someone to fill the team then, I'll be happy to join you though. -- Toraen   confer  01:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I however have a better idea that I'm working on. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 01:28, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * MSN more! I have plans for the weekend, I was hoping you could join in, other pvxers should be there as well. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 04:08, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

hey
I saw those enigmatic glances you were giving me whenever I FFed those nasty conditions or gave you my Strength of Honor. My bed is your bed. Of course, everyone but Jai is also welcome to share.-- Relyk 08:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll just stare through the window. --<font color=6C87A3>jī·gō·dǔ -  13:11, 3 Jun 2012 (UTC)

I know I already told you on msn, just a reminder that DoA is tonight ^ ^ 23:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

A/W Axe Tank
Would you mind restoring it to my userspace, by any chance? I had no idea that the build was in trash, or I would have fought more for it, but I'd mainly just like to keep the discussion that was on it. <font color=6C87A3>jī·gō·dǔ -  16:17, 10 Jun 2012 (UTC)
 * All done. -- Toraen   confer  16:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're the best Toraen. <font color=6C87A3>jī·gō·dǔ -  16:46, 10 Jun 2012 (UTC)
 * Why does it have an archive page? There wasn't one originally. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 17:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was the talk from the build that got merged with it, iirc. -- Toraen   confer  18:03, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, seems stupid to merge a talk that has nothing to do with the build. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 22:34, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But it was a merge so it had something to do with the build! -- Toraen   confer  00:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * None of what was on that archive had anything to do with the build on the page. Merging the talk was pointless and only served to confuse people who were not aware of the merge (See:Rask). [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 02:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ^ Gotta give it to him, he's got a valid point. Not exactly irrefutable, but valid nonetheless. Danny 03:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's relevant, so it doesn't matter. Who the fuck cares about archives.-- Relyk 03:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

A couple of questions
Since I suck with codes etc. I was wondering: how do I put background images? Second question: where do I find good templates for the userpage? Third question (this is just curiosity): How do you ban Minion every fucking time he creates a new account? Ty. <font color="DarkGoldenRod" size="2px">Silen†  13:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Allow me to answer the last question for you: Because he is dumb and obvious as hell. A new misery  13:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn you Misery you edit conflicting horse. <font color="Black">Frostels 13:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the Sock minion user? lol. That said, I meant, do you have something more, how can I say, technical? <font color="DarkGoldenRod" size="2px">Silen†  13:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Admins have check user-- Relyk 14:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Tbh, checkuser usually just confirms what I already know or suspect. A new misery  14:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

stupid question...
how can i link the page i made for a teambuild in the website? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by SCMaNN (talk &bull; contribs).
 * Links can be made by surrounding the page name with brackets. For example, makes a link like this: . For more about linking, read the New User Guide/Editing (I also left a link to the guide on your talk). --  Toraen   confer  19:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

mmh why test?
people the builds i have published are kinda DS "secret tactics" which they used to record so please dont just say they need to be tested they work 2 good :p 16 mins uw ;) &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by SCMaNN (talk &bull; contribs).
 * Please remember to sign your comments. Also, Testing just means the build is at the voting stage, and a build needs 5 votes in order to get a rating: Here's the policy. I really recommend you take a look at the new user guide, it covers the most important aspects of editing here. -- Toraen   confer  20:23, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

New filters
I've made two publicly viewable filters to keep people from submitting stuff to Main instead of Build and for common formatting mistakes when submitting to Build. Both will just pop up a custom warning message when they try to edit (we might completely block edits if the filters are good enough, but I'm a bit wary of that). Any feedback before I enable them would be appreciated. Oh, and some links: mainspace filter, formatting filter. -- Toraen   confer  00:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It still says it's only viewable by mods and Curse. :/ --<font color=6C87A3>jī·gō·dǔ -  0:28, 26 Jun 2012 (UTC)
 * Gah. I'll post them here:
 * Mainspace Filter:

article_namespace == 0 ;only if the article is mainspace & old_size == 0 ;only if the article is new & " " in lcase(added_lines) ;only if pvxbig is called in the page
 * Formatting Filter:

article_namespace == 100 ;only if the article is buildspace & old_size == 0 ;only if the article is new & (!article_text rlike "^(?:A|Any|D|E|Me|Mo|N|P|R|Rt|W)/(?:A|any|D|E|Me|Mo|N|P|R|Rt|W)|^(Team\s-)\s" ;If no valid prefix
 * article_text rlike "^(?:A/A|D/D|E/E|Me/Me|Mo/Mo|N/N|P/P|R/R|Rt/Rt|W/W)\s" ;Or if a duplicate profession
 * article_text rlike "[^\s\w/-]" ;Or if an illegal character is present
 * article_text rlike "\s[a-z]") ;Or if a word is not capitalized
 * There shouldn't be any problems with posting these, as they're not intended for spambots. -- Toraen   confer  00:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ampersand included?-- Relyk 00:43, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ampersand is disallowed, and I'm pretty sure I did that right (the last regex is a negative class). The only symbols allowed by PvX:NAME are  - and of course /. -- Toraen   confer  00:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ampersand included [in the expression?], was guessing it was \s or \w. I avoid regex at all costs.-- Relyk 01:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * A few things I can spot just looking at them:
 * Is "article_text" predefined? It seems like an odd variable name to use to reference a title.
 * You'll run into issues with a name like "A/Mo Grade A/Another Faggy build". Not that this is probably an issue since the only valid use for such a name would be testing edge cases in this filter.
 * If using PRCE, you should use (?:A|Any|D|E|Me|Mo...etc.) instead of (A|Any|D|E|Me|Mo...etc.) because it'll provide completely negligible performance gains.
 * Out of curiosity, is there any reason you're only checking for new builds in the second regex? Seems like forcing those to be fixed might be a good idea. Danny 06:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * article_text is one of the predefined variables. It's the title of the page minus the namespace. My brother commented on it being weird too. Nothing much to be done about it though.
 * Unless I used the wrong symbol, the filters won't stop that name format.
 * I'll try that. Might as well help curse's servers a bit.
 * As for only checking new builds, I didn't want the warning popping up when trying to tag it for deletion/move or stuff like that. Although since it's only checking added lines for I could probably change that one. Oh wait the second one is the format one. -- Toraen   confer  16:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I missed the "^" in the second line there, so you're right. Danny 05:14, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Brilliant idea. Totally wierd that it appeared a couple of hours after a similar capitalisation filter on gww for feedback ^^ good job. <font face="Constantia" color=#D2691E>Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx 12:28, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That was what prompted it actually. Too good an idea to not steal. -- Toraen   confer  16:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * On the second filter (at a glance) you'll be able to have double of the same profession as the title (they'd pass the first test regex, and because it's all "or"ed it doesn't matter if the others fail, it's still considered OK). <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  18:27, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ignore that, I derped. <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  18:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Since everything seems to check out, I've enabled the filters. They're still set to Warn-only for now, so users can still submit if they find a false positive. If that ends up being abused though, I'll up them to disallow. -- Toraen   confer  21:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Soothing Images on
When I enter the template code from Build:Me/any RA Migraine into Special:PvXDecode, Soothing (PvP) appears in place of Soothing Images and it also doesn't generate a valid template code on PvXDecode. The template code works fine when using it in-game. --RRe 19:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is noted already here (I forgot to copy it to the noticeboard though). -- Toraen   confer  20:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * the better question is why are you taking the template code from the site, and using PvXcode to generate the code to put the build on the site? <font color="#4169E1"> ~ PheNaxKian <font color="#8A2BE2">talk  23:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * He's checking if the templates for PvP skills are generating properly for specific skills (it works sometimes). I wouldn't use PvXdecode for that though (since it works off pvxcode and thus shares its bugs), in-game is the best test. -- Toraen   confer  00:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

build deletion
PvXwiki:Build Deletion doesn't really address what users should do if they want to save a build that's already been deleted. Could put a little addendum to the "Don't delete immediately" section?-- Relyk 05:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Put in a blurb that covers how it usually goes down. Should be sufficient. -- Toraen   confer  17:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's been unofficial policy, so it's nice to have in writing :P-- Relyk 20:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Turtleway
Hi, can you please take a look here http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_Turtleway. Someone added a removal-suggestion-tag because he thinks the build doesn't work, while it does. It was my first post and I was sort of very frustrated already. On the talk page I explained them all the stuff that they thought were "horrible". Thank you for your time. Lextoc 14:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The WELL tag does not mean a build will be deleted, no questions asked. It will remain until you can convince the community that it isn't inferior or just a minor variant of existing builds, and you haven't done this. It's not an attack against you, it's an attempt to keep our builds at a high level of quality. From what I can see, the build shares similarities to more common setups (multiple mesmers, ST, necro healers) but does use weaker/situational skills than most setups (Verata's Aura, Spiritual Pain, Ulcerous Lungs, etc.) in the main bars. The tag stays until you can convince others that it isn't blatantly inferior to other setups (not just discordway, I'm seeing that mentioned a bit on the talk in defending the build but Discordway is far from the only thing this is up against).
 * Even if I were to remove the tag, the users you've failed to convince would vote low. I'm not interested in voting on the build, so trying to convince me of anything won't accomplish much. Admins don't exist to strongarm the rest of the community into voting up/down certain builds, we handle user disputes and janitorial duties. You will have to give a convincing case that your build is competitive with options like 7HPS.
 * The talk of the build has been very civil, and I commend you (as well as the other users) for that. It's been a while since build discussions have gone so smoothly. If you notice any violations of PvX:NPA/PvX:DIS or similar as discussion continues, let us know (through the Admin noticeboard or admin talk pages). -- Toraen   confer  17:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Abuse Filter
Since when did we have an abuse filter for incorrect build names? :o Also, for some reason even when i select all the cats it refreshes the catcha and won't let me post when im too lazy to log in :< Life Guardian 03:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * since 2 weeks ago because toraen is awesome and PvXwiki:Curse_noticeboard ^^-- Relyk 06:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)