User talk:Tasty/Team - 7 Hero Maximum Discord

More than 3 Discord is massive, massive overkill. And considering how much AoE you can bring nowadays, single-target damage is generally useless. -- Jai .  -  22:25, April 6 2012 (UTC)
 * 3 Discords is too weak. They take at least 2 castings each to kill anything which is too slow. I think you are missing the point of the build. There are many areas where it is just faster to c-space and blow things up with massive Discord than it is to take the time to herd mobs into AoEs, usually where the mobs are 6 or fewer. I had abandoned Discord years ago until a couple months ago when I was vqing an area with 7HPS and realized that the finishing time was over 50% longer than I remembered doing it with the old 2-man discordway build. Tasty 03:25, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can see that. AoE only works if youre hitting most of the enemies. Enemies are too weak VQing with 7H to bother. Clean up would be mostly covered with Putrid Bile and Dom mesmer. I would only use 4 discords though, bringing ineptitude and/or esurge is more advantageous. You're stretching what's not gimmicky to bring along with discord even after 3. Using IV instead of Discord should work unless you find that somehow 4 Discord doesn't kill in one cycle. Most people are going to say 3 Discord is sufficient, because any extra damage you need will come from the rest of your party. Are you saying to literally spike enemies from full health? Because I don't think that's necessary or faster in the long run.-- Relyk 03:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I am crap at theorybuilding. I just take other people's builds and try them to see how they perform and then take the best, trying to mix and match. Here are my observations over the years:
 * Discord doesn't work unless the target is called.
 * The "great" mesmer builds don't work so well if you call a target. This is obvious for skills like Mistrust which don't work if all the mesmers are locked on to interrupt everything the target does. The other skills are less obvious, but it certainly feels like everything starts to go in slow motion after calling a target.
 * 5-6 discords can kill a full health target in the same time it takes 3 discords to kill a damaged target. The rub is that the 5-6 discords are going to kill a full health target much faster than the 3 discords whenever a target manages to avoid the PB/IV/etc AoEs.
 * Discord and other builds seem to mix like oil and water. Use one or the other. Don't waste time trying to mix them.
 * I see your point about verging on gimmicky skills. However, Discord gets the job done best. The extra skills on the bar are a bonus. It doesn't make sense to drop Discord just to make the rest of the bar look better. Tasty 15:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick note: Don't try to get this vetted, or it'll be trashed with extreme prejudice. -- Jai .  -  16:33, April 23 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know. Its use is too limited to be a vetted build. It's only here so I have somewhere to point when my friends ask me about builds. Tasty 20:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)