Archive talk:E/Rt Mind Blast Restoration Hybrid

The idea of having a source for energy from a MB ele is nice, but this kinda is lacking as a substitute healer. If anything, it would be a 'support healer'. Meaning it would be something that assists the main healer, not acts as it. If a hero were to run this, I could see it as being a potential useful thing in PvE, but otherwise, only guys who like to be different in other areas like RA could use it. Maybe worth a try for amusement, but not much else IMO. Its either stick with full attack, or full defense in this case. Swordofcerberus 18:08, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Meteor is horrible. MB builds should stay in HA.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  18:12, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * What should be in place of meteor? fireball, liquid flame, glyph of lesser energy, optional --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 18:13, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Dunno. Depends on what you want.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 18:15, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It's an RA designed build. Fireball or Liquid Flame? --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 18:18, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Or immolate. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 18:20, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Tags and Skills
Mend Body and Soul instead of Spirit Light? And should I add HA tag? -- Lann 18:47, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

MBaS>SL in this case. 12+1+2 fire, and, if the attributes are sufficient, drop one point from estorage and put into air magic, substituing meteor for gale. --Dark0805 ( Rant /Contributions ) 19:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

MBaS cause removing DW is better.--Relyk 20:51, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Any suggestions on tags? --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 22:40, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd remove the Hero tag. In my experience, Heroes can't be trusted with Rodgort's on a Mind Blaster. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  07:01, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * And don't add a HA tag. Although Mind Blasters with WoW are used in HA, the bar is substantially different to this. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  07:02, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Shouldnt teinais and searing be added?--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|21px]]R ELYK   (Talk  |  Edits)  11:04, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It's in the variants for the first two optionals --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 16:05, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Would look better on main :D--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|21px]]R ELYK   (Talk  | <font color="99CCFF"> Edits)  03:44, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Attributes
or -- <font color="#900020">Lann 22:46, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Fire Magic:11+1+2 Energy Storage:7+1 Restoration Magic:11
 * Fire Magic:12+1+1 Energy Storage:8+1 Restoration Magic:9
 * 12/10/8. -- 23:01, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * 9 is breakpoint of life (difference between 80 health or 100 for party) --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 06:58, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * 11 being breakpoint for warding --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 06:58, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I said 12/10/8 b/c those atts you put can have an extra level. Its 12/9/9 or 11/11/8.  09:38, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Build
[build prof=E/rt firemagic=12+1+1 energystorage=8+1 restoration=9 air=5+1][Mind Blast][Rodgort's Invocation][gale][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build] --Dark0805 ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 09:25, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * ^^atleast in ra. fireball for pve, with 16f(imo)-10r-8e --Dark0805 ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 09:33, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I wouldn't run RI in RA. Too much energy for an AoE effect that isn't going to be as good in 4v4. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  10:12, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Kinda limited on single target spells in the fire line. And no, no 4 way split. RI is not to much energy with MB. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 15:41, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * 4v4 means RA/TA, where there's 4 people on each team. Immolate is probably better there, and RI means you dont have the energy to be a support healer too. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  15:44, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I have to agree. In all honesty, i forgot immolate was an option. --Dark0805 ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 15:51, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Rodgort's does above average damage (compared to fireball, smoldering, liquid, etc) and is good vs single target as well as clumped foes. It also has a larger AoE than most fire spells. I might change fireball to immolate, unless I add an HA tag but no one has commented on me adding it yet. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 15:54, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I did. Scroll up. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  15:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Alright, thx. Immolate then? --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 15:57, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 15:58, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * ...? What does that have to do with this? --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  16:15, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Mind Blast and Rodgort's is like Peanut Butter and Jelly. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 21:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Mind Blast only gives so much energy. When you're also going to be acting as a support healer, it's far more effective to run Immolate. It gives a similar level of single target pressure that is much more maintainable (ie better in 4v4 arenas), as well as being cheaper, giving you the ability to utilise the support healing aspect of the bar better. The AoE effect of Rodgort's is no more than a nice side effect in RA/TA, as against anyone that isn't terrible, you won't hit more than one person more than once or twice a match anyway. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  04:14, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't run life + mend body on this, life will be interupted every time and mend body on a MB is just ... meh. You should be nuking stuff, not healing. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  12:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
 * In ra and ab it will never be interrupted and if your frontline doesnt fail it wont be in pve. --Dark0805  ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 16:44, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
 * oh and if theres a ranger just WoW yourself first before a cast. --Dark0805 ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 16:53, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
 * RA it will be interupted. I agree for pve, tho. But i'd rather nuke shit in pve then actually... heal. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:42, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Added glyph of concentration in variants. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 16:10, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

protective was koala
in main bar. It's better than mbs with a single spirit, although it's also better than WoW, so... i'd say take your pick. However, party heals simply make PvE ezmoed, much more so than single-target light heals with few side benefits. Remember, when putting off-monk utility on midline bars, you want it to be something the monk has a hard time with. WoW is like guardian, except costs twice the energy for a "mending" effect. MBS subs in for dismiss condi, but has a conditional remove. Neither one is a huge benefit. The one thing monks have real problems with is effective partyhealing; ANet keeps nerfing heal party so E/Mo's can't use it, but that leaves it pretty much unusable for monks too. PWK would fill that crucial role that most monk bars (especially hero ones) simply can't do. - Auron 05:05, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd definately keep WoW, atleast in PvP. It's nice when you have a way of stopping your standard RA monk of being soloed by a sin 20 seconds into a match. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  05:09, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * PwK is a mostly a GvG skill, used only by runners, and is sometimes used in HA. No reason to use it in a 4 man team. The spammable spirit is also needed to meet MBaS's condition removal effect. Once again, this build is for support, not to run as a primary healer. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 06:45, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Drop the RA/TA tag then, you don't want mind blasters there anyway. Spirit will just be interupted, and Mend body takes too much spam. This isn't a healer, so you shouldn't need heals. Just defense slots like warding and kaolei are good.  —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:25, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

[build prof=E/rt firemagic=12+1+1 energystorage=8+1 restoration=10][Mind Blast][Rodgort's Invocation][Optional][Protective was Kaolai][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build]
 * PvE:

[build prof=E/rt firemagic=12+1+1 energystorage=8+1 restoration=9 air=5+1][Mind Blast][Immolate][gale][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build] imo. --Dark0805 ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 09:16, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
 * PvP:

Meteor
Is pretty bad anywhere, you shouldn't want to take it over both heats(teinai's, searing). —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  03:55, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It could work well in a spike if timed properly, but i agree for general pressure the heats are better. &not; Klump  eet   03:57, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * 3 sec casts never work in spikes, and you have rodgort's invocation(big spike dmg). Just drop it, for something like ... Dunno? —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:22, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Liquid flame? - Auron 07:26, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Alright, changed accordingly. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 11:01, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * L-flame on a mind blast isn't needed, you have rodgorts. Nobudy bothers to interupts you in Ha anyway. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  12:28, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Except any team with a mesmer, as the ele is pretty much the only thing to interrupt on a balanced team.
 * And... good teams always have mesmers. - Auron 21:46, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Because pblocking/pdistracting guardian, SoA, and danthem(not balanced i guess) etc. is suddenly bad? Sure, the small interrupts are going to rape the ele but you can just bitch the mesmer by canceling mb. Your not going to get raped badly imo. If it was so bad, people wouldnt run eles. --Dark0805 ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 09:29, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Added glyph of concentration in variants. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 16:10, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Attributes
or -- <font color="#900020">Lann 11:05, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Fire Magic:11+1+2 Energy Storage:8+1 Restoration Magic:11
 * Fire Magic:12+1+1 Energy Storage:10+1 Restoration Magic:8
 * Its 11/11/8. I'd probably run 11 rest, Kaolai at 8 spec won't be too good. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:07, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * yeah i forgot the major. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 11:09, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Is that 11 fire 11 resto 8 storage you mean it should be? &not; Klump  eet  15:10 18/05/<font face="Times New Roman">MMVIII 11:10, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, 12/11/6 would probably be a better option for spreads with 11 Restoration. And yeah, that's the spread I mean. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:10, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

No Spirit Light?
Why isn't Spirit Light in the variants section? Spirit Light is a great heal, and you could take Recovery (to make up for the loss in MBS's condition removal) or Life as the spirit. <font color="Green"> Ekko  <font color="LightBlue"> Starr!  10:25, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Because wielder's boon is generally seen as better and spirit light is conditional. And if your going to bring life, you might as well bring MBaS. --74.171.70.24 19:20, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Because this isn't a fucking healer. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:08, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Anyone thing the attributes should be adjusted to 12/10/8 ? --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 20:21, 7 June 2008 (EDT)