Archive talk:Team - DegenWay

Discussion
Come on, tell me how much a noob i am. I dare you. Extreme (contribs) 22:16, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * You're a big smelly noob. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  04:43, 24 April 2008 (EDT)


 * NO U!![[Image:ExtremeSigPic.jpg|19px]] Extreme (contribs) 11:36, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Not much defense. God box   16:23, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't need much if you have Weakness from the taint, blind from the traps, and extreme degen with no hope of RC. Also an amazing snare in the form of WaF. And besides, in my testing you can roll through just about anything.&mdash;  If you're reading this, you've just been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]] Extreme  (The badass shit I do.) 16:32, 26 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Does anyone else mind if i bump this?&rarr;  If you're reading this, you've just been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]] Extreme  (The badass shit I do.) 13:04, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

why major runes on the warriors? and also, take cure hex instead of healing ribbon. Drownz 21:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Don't need FGJ on war, conjure would be way better. Get rid of the majors, really dumb. Put never surrender on 2nd ele. The HB monk sux hard btw.--Relyk 21:21, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

im going to put my builds back into trial because im going to be gone for a few days and am unable to answer questions, sorry.&rarr;  If you're reading this, you've just been pwned.  Extreme ( Minor Changes Ftl. )( Noob comment storage. ) 17:18, 1 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Relyk, most warriors run Major Runes, never surrender on the ele is a good optional spot but some people don't like running it, ill put it as optional, but putting in the main bar might ruffle some feathers. And if you see a problem with monk bars just change the godamn things, i do not monk and try to not even bother with monks. So if you feel the monk bars need to be changed do so, but leave a note on this talk page.&rarr;  If you're reading this, you've just been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]] Extreme  ( Minor Changes Ftl. )( Noob comment storage. ) 23:43, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

==My Thoughts== SF isn't worth it in this build, it's just not that great a skill in pvp. I'd change your shock axe to an erf shakuur, then shange both SF eles to SH. Then you've got a pretty decent build--Goldenstar 20:53, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * SF is an insane degen pressure skill in pvp. Combined with other degen builds it is even better. Earth Shaker is a good idea.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]] Extreme  ( Ftl. )( Noobs. ) 20:55, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * SH is way more damage than the degen pressure from SF and it has better e-management so you won't be out of energy 3 minutes into the match. SH + Earthshaker AoE knocklock is crazy synergy. Combine that with taint pressure, no RC from humility, and daze pressure from smoke trapper and you've got a solid pressure build. Only think it lacks is interrupts on ghost, shock + leech sig might be able to cover it but it might not be enough. Oh and get draw off your ele and put it on HB, then bring grasping earth. And you definitely need spotless on your HB, not cure hex.--Goldenstar 21:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't do monk builds, just change them if you want them differently, im fine with changing the draw from the ele but SH is for a different build, SF is really better for a "Degen" build, imo.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]] Extreme  ( Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 21:07, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Who the fuck cares about degen when SH is more effective than SF? For shits and giggles through mark of rodgort on one of the eles and have all the degen you want while still being effective at dealing straight damage.--Goldenstar 21:27, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't agree that SH is more effective then SF. SF does more damage and pressure overtime than SH. Consider the recharge of SH, Also spammable burning is just about the best way to keep pressure up and not to mention that with 2 SF the damage will be ginormous. Please test this you will be very impressed. But i'm sure you won't test this and just keep saying the SF is inferior to SH, or maybe you will surprise me. But either way this is taking advantage of the meta by using Sig of Humil and insane degen and major aoe pressure. Since the HB has no condition removal except for draw, and he will have to be healing constantly because of the aoe damage he will be robbed of energy in seconds because of mirror. SF outdoes SH in pressure overall, and it also outdoes SH in damage.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 21:36, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm not disagreeing that SF can work, what i'm saying is that the degen pressure youy have without burning is plenty, what you need now is damage to finish stuff off, that's what SH is for. And Mr. Hypocrite, have you ever run dual SH + earthshaker and a taint? I have. It's one of the most effective pressure builds in the game, and you've obviously never played it or you'd have already gotten rid of the SF for SHes. Not to mention that GoLE + glowing gaze isn't going to be enough energy management to make that bar easy. You're also forgettin g that SH is way more kickass for quickly breaking up clumps of enemies (alters, relics etc.) and is way more universal than SF is. Sure SF can do nice pressure in a straight up kill map, b ut more often than not you're going to be doing other things than trying to blow up enemies, and SH is better for that.--Goldenstar 21:42, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * First off, whats with the whole Mr. Hypocrite thing? Secondly i see what you are talking about, and i HAVE played Fast Cast Taint + SH. It is good, but, it is also a different build. This build is focused around degen. SH does have good ability to break up clumps, but thats working against its aoe nature. I know its good at King of the Hill and capture points. But if you haven't noticed SF does as good of a job of it and can do it anywhere on the map. Basically with SF you have every 3 seconds a 94 fire damage hit. With SH you can do about 250 fire damage(not counting armor) over 5 seconds every 25 seconds, that is if you target doesn't move. With SF you do potentially 752 fire damage (not counting armor) over  24 seconds and can keep that pressure up constantly. And yes i know that SH has taineis and searing heats. But this has Fireball which is another good spammable adjacent aoe skill. I know that SH is good but this simply outdoes it.&rarr;   You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 21:52, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm obviously not going to change your mind, at least toss in an erf shakuur instead of shock axe for linebacking leetness?--Goldenstar 21:55, 12 May 2008 (EDT)


 * I defiantely agree with that.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 22:00, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Linebacking is euro. Kding monks is more manly. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:29, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

FGJ on a Cripslash is bad and redundant, take Disarm.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  10:32, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Goldenstar, that is how builds should be dealt with, thank you for talking on the page before voting, it makes things so much easier because then the author can defend his case. Anyway thanks for the vote, in future do the same as you just did, talk page --> then vote.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 14:55, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

no aegis or DA is like gg. <font color="#FF2626">&not; Master Gladius  15:32, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Like im going to listen to a person who expects Aegis in HA lawl!!1&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 15:57, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Have you actually TRIED this build in HA? A DA chainwill roll this easily. Also a Pure Was Li Ming will easily counter this build....You also have almost no enchantment removal besides Mirror of Disenchantment, but that wont do too well against Guardian will it? A smart RC will just recast it.. I like the idea, but I would like to see this build ran in HA.... and how exactly did you test this?... user:solido

I ran it in HA....That's how you are supposed to test builds...&rarr;  You've been pwned. <font color="Silver"> Extreme (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 17:24, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Btw, if you mes is any good he will be able to catch gaurdian if you need it. Most of your pressure comes from the eles and trapper. I think if you are that worried about gaurdian then you are worrying way too much, remember it is a 1 second cast, A good spike will get off in under 3 seconds, and to be completely honest why the hell are you worried about gaurdian. If they were a "smart" RC they wouldn't put up gaurdian during spikes... thats what hard prots are for. Gaurdian is a non factor. If they ran Aegis in HA then you might be worried about that, but guess what. They don't! If you are worried about gaurdian then you should be worried about any melee based team. And this relies so little on the melee to provide pressure that to worry about that is just dumb. And besides the RC is just going to be walking around because he won't be able to cast RC cuz of sig of humil. He won't have much to do except hard prots, and if your trapper is good you can take him down easily, because of the daze. Yes i have run this and it rolls just about everything.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 17:32, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

With the smoke trapper trapping enemy backline, you have a 2 monk backline and pretty much no defense...Sway will roll this, and Sway doesnt depend on an RC to remove conditions, rts bring pure was li ming every now and then...also, DAs are used quite commonly and FOUL FEAST is being put in A LOT which would remove daze and conditions from rest of part pretty fast, and the mesmer is going to interupt guardian every 5 seconds?um no, only 1 interupt and 1 enchant removal? ALSO, if the other team was smart, they would put a wander on the trapper and aoe to remove spirits....no -2 degen with toxicity, no smoke, flame or dust trap...Now the only degen you have is burning and disease, with that + bleeding and cripple on one guy...If you encounter a 3-monk bckline with this build, it's over...With the other team holding out, a 2 monk backline with no other defense will most likely not hold out against another team unless you have some r8/9+ no sway monks.. Does this build spike?... "If they were a smart RC, they wouldn't put guardian up during a spike," the build has 200 dmg with SF, and earthshaker for deepwound and cripslash adding a deep woud aswell..That's MAYBE if you're lucky, a 450 dmg spike, most people have around 600hp+, this spike wouldn't be the cleanest either... Infuse+reversal of fortune would simply own this... '''If this build supposedly ROLLS EVERYTHING,"Yes i have run this and it rolls just about everything." Why would you put it on Wiki? You don't see vE's or Gank's balanced builds on here do you?...'''user:solido

Cuz i felt like it, we all aren't build hogs i guess. If it rolls everything why wouldn't i want to share it. Rolls sway because it has too much pressure for its healers. Tainted + weakness, and if you were smart you wouldn't trap the backline against Sway. Honestly the reason i put it on wiki is because it is so good. Solido you basically just said the major problem with wiki, people try to hide the good builds. Honestly what is the point of making a build site if people don't contribute new fresh builds. Id like to see what you would do againt constant -7 degen and 94 fire damage spikes every 3 seconds. You aren't going to be removing many conditions very quickly are you. You are going to be spamming heal party if you are HB and Sway will be spamming every healing skill they have. If you had to take the time to remove blind and Daze then you're fucked. You obviously haven't tested this build yet. I can tell because of the questions you are asking. Please if you arne't going to test it at least realize how the build works.&rarr;  You've been pwned. <font color="Silver"> Extreme (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 21:26, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Solido if you are going to be stupid at least test the build then be stupid.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 21:27, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


 * And about the spike, its not as much a spike as extreme pressure and then you take out low targets and the infuser. Oh and you always kill the infuser first with most builds like this.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 21:28, 15 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Keep PvX:NPA in mind. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 03:42, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh noes, i said stupid :O &rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 13:00, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Indeed you did. Keep it to the build in stead of the other person, I don't give a shit how small the insult is. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 13:20, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol, god forbid i have any fun.&rarr;  You've been pwned. [[Image:ExtremeSignPic.JPG|19px]]<font color="Silver"> Extreme  (<font color="Black"> Ftl. )(<font color="Blue"> Noobs. ) 13:43, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

Isnt this inferior to other conditionway builds? -- Jebus  contests  18:45, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Trapper
Usage says Natstride, while it's not in the build. OMFG.  Ricky vantof  01:43, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Signet of Humility.
This need to be revised. :o Halogod35 18:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)