Archive talk:Team - HA Crapway

Stub
Hi. Is it bad? -- DGCollard  08:44, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There's alot of questionable skill choices, ie Enchanted Haste is better than ___ Djinn's Haste, Crippling Dagger and Iron Palm are bad on Dervs, and the Rt/Mo and Me/Rt could quite easily be condensed into one bar, freeing up an 8th slot. Expel isn't needed with a monk backline, just take a Convert for hexway. --Tab  Moo  09:01, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Fixed the derv bars for you, take a Crippling Victory or two over Chilling if you want. You're going to want to put Grasping Earth and Ward Against Foes in there somewhere too, I'd stick them on the Tainter. Then compress the rits into one bar and take a x/P for Make Haste and Conc. --Tab  Moo  09:04, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ok, thanks ^^ How about N/E Tainter with WaF and GE and N/P Soul Bind? DGCollard  [[Image:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png]] 09:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Soul Bind (or any other hex bar for that matter) won't do anything without an abundance of hexes, it'll just get removed. I'd go with a Magebane or Incendiary R/P, something like this:

--Tab  Moo  09:31, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Also changed the rit around a bit for you, you'll want to lose one of the more energy heavy skills (probably Channeled) for something else, seeing as you can't effectively use that bar on 1 regen, even with OoS. It's not that huge a loss as you won't be spiking with this anyway. --Tab  Moo  09:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * There are no spirits. The OoS sac is ok? DGCollard  [[Image:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png]] 09:38, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * It's only 100ish every 15 seconds. The monks should be able to handle that. --Tab  Moo  09:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)


 * Having Song and interrupts and MH and interrupts on the ranger is hard to pull off (and sometimes, impossible).  —Ska Kid [[Image:Skakidasaur.gif|19px]] 12:42, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I think a sh ele will give the opposing team more pressure then a IA ranger.Sebv2727 05:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Trial
Wooooo -- DGCollard  10:05, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Switch the monks out for 2 N/Rt's and you have yourself a new sway. >__> (Callistotyler 10:12, 22 August 2008 (EDT))
 * There is a resemblance... <_< DGCollard  [[Image:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png]] 10:17, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Apart from you don't have frontliners immune to linebacking, you don't have traps, you don't have NR/Tranq. Basically you don't have anything that makes sway sway. I agree it's similar other than that though. --Tab  Moo  10:19, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Can we have Warmonger's? We need more disruption. DGCollard  10:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Ups, knew I'd forgotten a skill. Yeah, drop Channeled for Warmonger's. --Tab  Moo  10:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Toxicity
With a Tainter throwing around disease and a Incendiary Arrows ranger spreading poison, Methinks you should exchange a WS derv for a bunny thumper with Toxicity. Y/N? Jonas 11:08, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I think this doesn't have enough aegisses to be officially called crapway. 217.120.229.159 11:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * What to call it then? DGCollard  [[Image:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png]] 11:46, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Needs signet of humility. Big time. Replace a WS derv with SoR Signet mesmer. I is   * Je b us *    Enter my contest! 11:24, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * just dshot rc, humility is boring --Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  11:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * RC can't clean a whole party anyway, and you'll be sitting a WW on it DGCollard  [[Image:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png]] 11:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * So? You have channeling, you can spam it and people at even 20% health are fully back up. Rc vs 4 conditions is lulz. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:26, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Sig of humility
wtb sig of humil on a sig mes instead of a rit
 * Why drop Convert, Splinter, Warmongers and Warding for something the ranger can do? Display   11:49, 22 August 2008 (EDT)


 * me likes this build. 69.133.93.214 12:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * i agree. Sig Mes fails so hard since they nerfed SoJ, rit has all the things that Display said, and rits are also just cooler than mesmers. Driggy 12:38, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * SIGNET OF REMOVAL FOO I  is   * Je b us * [[image:IAmJebussig3.jpg|19px]]   <font size=0.5>Enter my contest! 12:47, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Sig mes of some form would work, I was under the impression theres some kind of HA taboo about running builds without WoW though. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  13:07, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

He's fucking right. Signet of humility makes your pressure actually happening, without it you won't be able to touch them at all unless you hit every dshot at rc. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  10:24, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

OoS
If my eyes aren't deceiving me, the rit has no spirit to meet OoS's condition<font color="Teal">-WaffleZ LOL-. 13:42, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * FUCK I LOSE 100 HEALTH EVERY 15 SECONDS WHAT SHALL I DO --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  13:44, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * /wrists -- Mafaraxas ( talk ) 14:00, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ^ Or rather no need for it: OoS does the job! :O God  box    14:09, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No, thats OoB P= DGCollard  [[Image:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png]] 07:11, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Well OoS still sacs health so its like /wrists only kooler than OoB kuz well idk, but it is kooler <font color="#FF0000" face="eurostile" size="2"> Wikiguru 21:52, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

fail
conjure and strength of honor.
 * Why? Display   15:08, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Because he thinks that Izzy is efficient and nerfed that combo already, which he hasn't.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates  <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  17:15, 22 August 2008 (EDT)


 * I believe Strength of Honor states they do more damage in MELEE... not physical damage. So it does work.Stryk the Lightning 17:30, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe he's thinking of OoP and conjure-- R <font color="green" size="1"> e l y k 20:36, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

SoR smite Mesmer
use instead of oos smiter-- R <font color="green" size="1"> e l y k 20:37, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * naw replace one ws derv for it, this discussion has been made already but who gives a fuck. I  is   * Je b us * [[image:IAmJebussig3.jpg|19px]]   <font size=0.5>Enter my contest! 23:12, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Not me as i'm going to be laughing at the people who are running this all weekend as my guild's team train rolls them.--72.189.85.47 01:56, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Great! Does it feel good? Display   03:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Ahhh, i get it now, SoR mes will be much better DGCollard   05:50, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Your dropping Pact and Warding for SoR and Mirror? Hexes isn't problem in HA, and you don't need Mirror. Display   05:53, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Generic SoR bar is generic. Mirror is nice for Taint and stuff. Can't say what the metas like now, but last time I checked HA, hexes were ramptant. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  05:55, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hexway is not meta anymore. It's more like 2-3 Frontliners or Balanced with 3 eles. And no, you don't need to Mirror taint really, rather have Warding/Pact. Display   05:59, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Can't have everything. It's either no WoW/DPS or no Humil Sig for RC. People QQ either way. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Just drop the SoR mesmer and let the Ranger Dshot RC, happy? Display   06:03, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * See the ratings page. People clearly weren't happy. Anyway, argue this with the author, I just helped him clean it up a bit. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:04, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Obaby, look at that. Most retarded Ratings I've seen in some time. Display   06:06, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * That's PvX for you. Only suggestion I can think of to fit both in without totally changing the build is to make the Taint Me/N with Humil and move the snares somewhere else. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:10, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No =/. Geez, idk. Just switch back to the Rt and explain you gotta Dshot RC. Ohwell, they will prob start bitching about how hard it is.. Display   06:13, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yep. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:24, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

4.5! 4.5! DGCollard   06:44, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

The name
may want to switch it for something else since it will at least come into the category good; and a build can't be crap and good at the same time. God box    08:07, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Bomp
Hacker twats got it reverted. No more great-build :( DGC ☺  06:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Atleast we know theres going to be allot of shit builds being ran. --86.17.103.215 07:24, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Buildmaster's Vote
This build deserves far more than a 2. The bars are far from random and this build does have humility signet. ( Using the ritualist instead of the mesmer is a bad idea. ) The dervishes provide great pressure. The ranger provides both conditions, and regular /p buffs. The tainter provides both condition pressure and snare. The SOR mesmer is just the icing on the top, providing defense, signet of humility to disable RC, and buffing the fontline even more. The tainter itself is pretty much standard, with the exception that this build misses toxicty to boost the pressure. In my opinion, and many others ( It was rated great before ), this build doesn't deserve just a mere 2. Reconsider the vote please. SniperFox  12:35, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
 * So your saying Splinter, Warmonger, Warding, Convert and Pact is < Mirror and uhm.. Bane Signet, Signet of Rage. Hexes is not that big of a problem, Veil, Spotless and Convert are enough. Just don't be so fucking bad. Dshot>RC, not like you will get Sig of Hum up anyway.  ≈ Display  [[Image:Godliest Table.png|10px]]  talk  15:35, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't have Sig of Humility? Because... I see Sig of Humility. And I see a ton of discussion about this build having Sig of Humility. *rages* DGC ☺  05:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Problem is you have an optional team slots, and one of them doesn't have Hum Sig... -- Frosty [[Image:SnowmanF.jpg|19px]] 05:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * But one of them does. That doesn't make it Other-worthy. DGC ☺  05:21, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Even if it doesnt have SoH, you can still just dshot rc ~.~ -- Brandnew. 05:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Edit conflict grr.. The other one got way more damage and Dshots.  ≈ Display  [[Image:Godliest Table.png|10px]]  talk  05:26, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Omg! Someone who can dshot RC!.  ≈ Display  [[Image:Godliest Table.png|10px]]  talk  05:26, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Dshotting RC isn't like, omg dshot rc. They will probally have warding + guardian on him if you constantly try to dshot him, so bla bla. The real pressure from wounding strike dervishes is in signet of humility on RC. In GvG, it's less vital(still very vital, but you can still roll them if monk does have RC), but in HA, you can channeltank and spam RC(4 conditions = whole redbar up). —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  05:38, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Also; is it just me or is this ranger in here pretty random. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  05:39, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * Nope, it's not. -- Frosty [[Image:SnowmanF.jpg|19px]] 05:40, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
 * It's for spreading poison quick, but doesn't taint+ws is enough degen and rc food? Brandnew.  05:41, 14 September 2008 (EDT)