Archive talk:Me/N Weaken Knees

First build,based on theory though. Enjoy and start discussing pls. lilondra 14:23, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Atrophy isn't useful, replace it with faintheartedness imho, or some type of energy management. And also list some variants for the optional slot--Goldenstar 14:53, 12 February 2008 (EST)

faintheartedness might be better yh.lilondra 15:06, 12 February 2008 (EST)

When changing anything pls say it on the talk page FIRST.lilondra 14:53, 13 February 2008 (EST)

E-management
This needs some.--Goldenstar 17:47, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's a start, at least. Any other ideas? Lord Belar 17:56, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Inspiration Magic
Pump it up! Bring the noise! -- Guild of  Deals  21:22, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Drop the fast-casting to 10 or 8 to bring your e-management skill to a huge boost. 20+ is better than +9 on energy gainManbeast15 07:59, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Dont know wich energymanagement skill as youre proly going to use this mainley in gvg etc i suggest channeling.Unless you guys prefere leach or something lilondra 11:10, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * Leech and Drain are both on the bar. I'd say make FC 11+1+1 and Inspiration 6+1 or 6+2. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  11:55, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Drop FC to 9, buff inspir to 9. The more you can spam, the more you can kill. Lord of all tyria 12:08, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Tyria did you even check the build out ? its clear this build doesnt want to kill. /agree on the attribs though lilondra 03:16, 17 February 2008 (EST)

I think skill bar should have Leech Signet, Signet of Humility, and Mantra of Inscriptions, Defile Defenses is meh.--Relyk 21:03, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * What's so meh about 102 armor ignoring damage? Rickyvantof 21:09, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * I just don't like it, there's better skills you can use instead imo.--Relyk 21:11, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * So, if you "just didn't like" dshot, you wouldn't bring it on your ranger? Lord Belar 21:32, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * Defile Defenses is a very powerful skill. Signet of Humility kinda fails in this build TBH. It would work better in a shutdown build or w/e. Rickyvantof 21:36, 23 February 2008 (EST)

main bar changes
I might sugest changing Faintheartedness on the main bar as youre not rly a melee shut down and spending 15 energy just to slow that one warrior down a bit might be inferiour to for example using rigor morits + parasitic bond to completely ignore the targets ability to block.lilondra 15:07, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * You've got DD for blocking. Lord Belar 20:43, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Mark of Pain would be better. Rickyvantof 20:51, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yes, do ask the other team to nicely clump up around your target. Lord Belar 20:53, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lern2HA, tbh. Rickyvantof 20:54, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * HA is for losers. >:( Lord Belar 20:54, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * What an argument... Rickyvantof 20:55, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, I know. :P Lord Belar 20:56, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * >>; Rickyvantof 20:57, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * MoP should be a HA variant, though. Lord Belar 20:58, 22 February 2008 (EST)

[build prof=Me/Ne dom=12+1+1 inspiration=10+1 fast=8+1 curses=2][Weaken Knees][power drain][power lock][diversion][shame][shatter enchantment][inspired enchantment][Resurrection Signet][/build] Gogo.  Mike Tycn ( punch   out )  21:41, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Tycn youre bar looks good but it is totally difrent from mine.Both the use of it and the purpose (imo).lilondra 03:28, 24 February 2008 (EST)

RA tag
In the 1nd vote that player suggested to add the ra tag.What do you guys think of this ? lilondra 11:29, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Faint
IMO i should drop faint.The question is what should i use instead.lilondra 15:52, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * Faint is an all around good anti-melee, especially on tight bars such as this. If you wanted damage, you'd do Price of Failure and Reckless Haste, but they're both energy costly and take up 2 slots. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:18, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Again, Mark of Pain > Faint in this case. For HA at least. Rickyvantof 16:21, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Ricky : /agree i added a note saying that in ha faint should be replaced by mop. Im still looking for a better hex.As this will mostly target the kiting monk. lilondra 03:33, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Mark of Pain is a good idea. You can also try Defile Flesh or some enchant removal in this place. Some of this options will fit better than fain Nivelis 21:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Just some random ideas. Lord Belar 21:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * Envenom Enchantments
 * Malaise
 * Rend/Rip/Drain Enchantment(s)
 * Weaken Armor
 * Waste not, want not
 * Inspired Enchant/hex

Yh,looks good.Will think about it. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lilondra (contribs).

I think keeping Faint is a good idea, at least for TA or GvG. Since most times the only hex removal in GvG is on the runner (one spell) or the monks, I think the pressure caused by Barbs will keep them trying to remove that more often than Faint. I think that Faint will last it's full duration, so it wouldn't be completely useless. Gaze Of Balthazar 15:19, 1 March 2008 (EST)


 * i'd use rip enchants instead of faint, or Enfeeble/enfeebling blood .. V nice build btw =]  Close Impact   talk  09:04, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

GVG tag
Why was the GVG tag removed ? lilondra 03:44, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Because noone has ever used it in top 100 GvG. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 10:38, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Top 100 guilds dont rly check wiki.If they do they dont rly deserve to be there imo.They make there own builds praticly and check teamquitter but +- never check pvx.lilondra 13:27, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * ...again, have you ever seen any good guilds run this in GvG? That's the point. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 16:56, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Actually there are tons of builds vetted great that do not see use in gvg :/ just bcause most of the time a certain build is imba.Like a month ago nearly everybody went dual mind blast etc. Anyway i guess youre right.lilondra 05:00, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

skakid
Youre the reason people become emo XD ;).lilondra 05:00, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

drop parasitic?
weaken knees and defile defenses work well enough as cover hexes depending on the situation, and you could take Rip Enchantment instead for more monk hate. -- Mafaraxas ( talk  &bull;  contribs ) 19:31, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

/agreed.lilondra 10:46, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

wtf
made the exact same build (Fast Cast WK) and it was trashed. wtf. 18:49, 7 December 2008 (EST)
 * it's because you are an autist.

archive or votewipe
chose buff/nerf to weaken knees lilondra 12:27, 13 December 2008 (EST)