Archive talk:Any/Rt Norn Fighting Tournament Farmer

i doubt the necessity of this, although it may be useful. the nft is fairly easy and a lot of builds can do the job. &mdash; Skakid9090 07:02, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You're right, however I doubt there are too many as fast, reliable and easy as this. Perhaps I should update the name to something less generic such as "Norn Tournament Spirit Farmer"? Hopefully after people experiment they'll discover faster variants and this is updated appropriately. My main concern at the moment is a lack of elite. --05:57, 30 August 2007 (CEST)Thanks Spiderman

Freakin hard for warriors..allthough ive heard Ursan aura works nicely..71.222.47.119 13:46, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Ursan Aura can get you through the entire tourney up until Magni easily. --77.98.23.140 14:36, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

The problem with this is that after a recent update, as soon as you enter the area, your opponent will move towards you (except Razah who spirit spams on the spot). This give you enough time to lay about one spirit before you start taking damage trying to cast the second. There is a way to give yourself an extra two seconds or so but that isn't going to help for a chain of 4 or 5 spirits. No, this only happens if you move past the second line of the doorway. Stand on the line and you can wait there indefinitly without your foe attacking. --Arciel

I also managed to create a build along the same lines as this (I started writing it before I found the link to this one - sorry to anyone who may be offended). While it works roughly along the same principle, there is a far more specific way to allow you to cast all the spirits you need.

Also, this wont work for every profession - there is absolutely no way a warrior can cast that entire chain (75 energy) and even Rits might struggle, even with boon of creation. As far as I can see, only Rits, Eles, Rangers and possibly Mesmers can effectively use this build. Andyhhp -I use a Necro/Rit for this build and I have no trouble with Energy. Noid1212

Anybody had success with this with Danika? --76.27.86.245 09:05, 11 September 2007 (CEST)
 * It took me awhile, but I've defeated Danika and Palawa using this build. Luckily I've only faced them once each! Genofreek 21:12, 20 February 2008 (EST)

This is nerfed already, right? Sma 14:22, 11 September 2007 (CEST)
 * It's not nerfed, just needs to be played a little differently. Thanks Spiderman 12:28, 13 September 2007 (CEST)

To still use this build you need to cast your spirits inside the doorway ensuring that mele attackers cant killyour spirits. You need to stand in the middle or alittle above the middle of the areathe doorway pops up in--Abbadonsminion 07:01, 22 September 2007 (CEST)

Merge much?
Build:Any/Rt Norn Fighting Spirit Lord ... 1 skill difference. Leave it as optional and merge. Discuss. The Paintballer (T/C) 01:56, 11 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I don't think there's a need for any more than 1 NFT spirit build, as no two will be vastly different. Merge them all, in my opinion. Thanks Spiderman 12:28, 13 September 2007 (CEST)
 * this one was there first. -  19:49, 17 September 2007 (CEST)

Soul Twisting?
MAybe add soul Twisting, it would make it go by quicker.Fire Tock 15:54, 11 September 2007 (CEST)

The nurf does affect this build. there is not enough time to cast even 2 spirits before you are agroed by your opponent. However, I have written a slighting different build with a different stratagy that has had a 100% success rate since the nurf. Andyhhp 11:56, 12 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I put this here because I wanted to start my contributions with something. Perhaps you should have just updated this one instead of creating an entirely new article for the exact same build? That is after all what a wiki is for? Thanks Spiderman 12:25, 13 September 2007 (CEST)
 * If you deploy the spirits in the middle of the door, you don't aggro, and they can still attack, and some enemies can't attack them back..--82.71.72.46 00:10, 23 September 2007 (CEST)

Workie-Nonworkie
Here is a list of workies - not workies. Feel free to add, but don't remove for no reason. Ones marked with x aren't done yet; at least not with this build. Or I forgot. Please, if you'll add anything, use the build EXACTLY as described on the page. And feel free to make the list prettier. 193.77.21.227 20:30, 30 September 2007 (CEST)


 * The Great Zehtuka - Works
 * Lo Sha - Works
 * Sogolon - Works
 * Kisai - Works
 * Little Thom - Works, but try and keep spirits away from fire shower
 * Kilroy - Works
 * Old mac (+Joe) - Works, but can take a bit longer
 * Norgu - Works
 * Melonni - Works
 * Orion - Works, try and keep away from aoe.
 * Alesia - Works, but can take a bit longer
 * Vekk - Works
 * Xandra - Works
 * Warmaster Tydus - Works
 * Panaku - Works
 * Zho (+Onyx) - Works very easily.
 * Danika (+Brutus+Sheena) - You're gonna have some serious problems (impossible)- this is easy just target Danika Noid1212
 * Cynn - Works
 * Lukas - Works
 * Razah - Run up to him immediately and start using your spirits. Interrupt his as much as you can.
 * Ghostly Hero - Works
 * Kahmu - Works like a charm.
 * Headmaster Vhang - Works
 * Eve - Works
 * Koss - Works
 * Morgahn - Works
 * Devona - Works
 * Mhenlo - Works, but can take a bit longer
 * Talon Silverwing - Works
 * Gwen - Works
 * Nika - Works
 * Argo - Use interrupt here and it should work fine
 * Magni - Works, but can take bit longer
 * Palawa Joko (+2Minions) - You're gonna have some serious problems

Outside the Norn Tournament;
 * Glacial Griffin (Cold as Ice quest) - Works, I used my Necro with 63 energy Noid1212

Old news, i know, but this thing pwns ghostly hero, no time at all.  Uberxman1028  01:10, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Ehh I beat Danika in under 20 seconds, all you have to do is call targets on closest one, and it dies, then second closest...it dies... then danika... everything died FAST, as long as you send assassins at danika to distract and Knock down her every now and then her healing is completely ineffective and her party gets wiped fast. Blight 23:53, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Defeat all foes, no problems
I found that if you wait untill the door opens then use your mouse and click on the line closest to your foe. (The enemie wont attack you and you have time to) Cast all of your spirits and then walk outside then back in and your foe will come towards you and all of the spirits will attack him/her instantly thus killing him. Works with every foe including Magi The Bison.Fire Tock 05:03, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

Nice build...but...
This is a very nice build. Useful one getting two heroes, Zho's Journal, a very horrible gold item, the Bison Cup, and Bison Token for crowns and aged dwarven ales (which is useful for while drunk skills), but wouldn't ANet would be very clever and nerf this build as they would see if as an "exploit" and make it harder for us to get aged dwarven ales. Surely, they might compensate the getting the heroes with quests as an alternative. --Dark Paladin X 15:00, 18 November 2007 (CET)

There is faster way to get alcohol. Doing Fronis irontoes dungeon and snowman lair.

Wanderlust
Beats dissonance by a long way. repeated KD, which hurts more than interrupts. Only works on non moving foes, but casters dont move much and melees will reach your spirits and hit em first.Egon 14:18, 4 December 2007 (CET)
 * that's one of the good parts of this build. it doesn't need an elite. -  20:22, 4 December 2007 (CET)
 * That doesn't mean having wanderlust isn't better; it really should be added to the main bar. --Mafaraxas 05:46, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * Hmm, but for magni the Bison, Disonnance could work work to interrupt his skills also... idk i say bring both. Also, to anyone who is a ranger primary out there, that wants to use this build for NFT just remember that SPIRITS ARE AFFECTED BY EXPERTISE :D.67.81.169.196 11:27, 28 December 2007 (EST)


 * I use ursan blessing for the health and armor boost, as well as the KD. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.245.108.121 (contribs).

Boss Farms
Should we add a guide of how to hench-farm lone bosses and how to kill boss groups so u can solo them? @v 18:48, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * This is for farming the Norn Tournament only, so no. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 00:55, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Anguish
Anguish is really useful when combined with Painful Bond. I Am Jebus 10:26, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 * Eh, see variants; it doesn't make too much difference, and if you're not a caster class another 25e spirit might not be possible. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 14:28, 22 February 2008 (EST)

Template Code
Template code was "invalid" when I tried to load it on my monk.--War Pig5 20:33, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * So just put it together manually? Report it on the admin noticeboard if others have the same problem. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas 22:41, 29 February 2008 (EST)
 * Here are template codes.
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 * Got it? [[image:IAmJebus_sig.jpg|20px]] I Am   *  Jebus  *  16:31, 3 March 2008 (EST)
 * U want me to put on build page? [[image:IAmJebus_sig.jpg|20px]] I Am   *  Jebus  *  16:32, 3 March 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe put the rit code as the main one (as this is kinda mainly a rit build as it uses nearly all rit skills) and then have all the others below? --Firadesunna 10:11, 30 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Already pasted :P [[image:IAmJebus_sig.jpg|20px]] I Am    *  Jebus  *  18:40, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Dont you need a high Ebon Vanguard rank for it to work? Kiteeye 18:03, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

If you change one of the skills to Summon spirits, you can cast your spirits, before you leave, and as you leave, before the door cloes behind you, use summon spirits to bring them through(Must be cast before door closes, or it wont work). Also, summon spirits can be used to get your spirits out of nuke range if that happens killA runa   Leet! 11:44, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Confirmed Works for quest "Cold As Ice"
This build works well for the Norn Tournament as well as the "Cold as Ice" quest against the Griffin Boss. Simply spawn your spirits with him just outside your aggro. He wont attack unless you aggro. Once you spawn all spirits, aggro and cast Painful Bond. When hes below half health, bring him down with "Finish Him" and "You Move Like A Dwarf!". Hes through after that. I use this variation of this build and it works just as well :)

[build prof=any/Rt Channeling=12 Norn=10 Communing=12][Pain][Vampirism][Bloodsong] [Shadowsong][Dissonance][Painful Bond]["Finish Him"]["You Move like a Dwarf!"] [/build]

Thanks to OP for this build, done wonders and made these quests easier :)
 * Forgot to sign xD SuperJ 02:40, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah I made up a variant of this build for Cold As Ice (Me/Rt with Summon Mursaat and Unnatural Signet) which worked well, though it does work better in the tourny (against most foes) than it does against the griffon. "YMLaD!" is great for interrupting too. 82.14.87.226 17:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Love this build
Had a lot of trouble with the quest, really wanted to unlock the heroes...couldn't've done it without this build. S Penumbra 00:36, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Signet of Ghostly Might
Signet of Ghostly Might was buffed (gww:Game_updates/20081211) and is now worthy of being mainbar on this build, imho, but I only added it to variants until a concensus is reached that is indeed > than one of the mainbar skills, and which mainbar skill it should replace (methinks Pain). --War_Pig5 20:03, 14 December 2008 (EST)


 * I think the fact that the build doesn't need an Elite to function perfectly is a real strong point, but SoGM is definitely worth listing as an optional. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  22:09, 14 December 2008 (EST)
 * Please familiarize yourself with this site's policies including PvX:WELL. Simply changing a slow-activating spirit to a fast-activating signet saves quite a bit of time over the course of 6 rounds, and additional time is saved by the radically increased damage output. The 0 energy requirement of a signet versus the high energy requirement of a spirit is another important factor. Perfect function of a farming build is maximum benefit in minimum time. On top of that, unlike the no-elite version, the SoGM version could work on Danika & Palawa Joko. For all these reasons, PvX:WELL dictates that the build be updated with SoGM. I'm only holding off on the edit for the reasons I mentioned above. --War_Pig5 02:48, 15 December 2008 (EST)


 * And in the process of coming to a consensus, I merely stated my personal opinion. Due to the nature of the build, the Elite might not be entirely needed, even though it is a better build with it, yes.
 * On that note, if you were going to add it in, I'd actually switch out Bloodsong rather then Pain, since Pain deals slightly more damage and will get the full benefit of SoGM (since it actually deals damage, it'll get the damage boost, unlike Bloodsong.) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  04:01, 15 December 2008 (EST)
 * I realized pain was better soon after posting that, and tested SoGM for Bloodsong, exactly as you suggested. I'm happy to report back that the SoGM version is much faster. The most signifint speed increases are in the fights against the healers and Magni. Sorry I took a dump on your opinion! But PvXwiki policy dictates that the best build be mainbar and the alternatives to the best build be variants. --War_Pig5 04:53, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I say just go for it, in that case. Nobody else seems to have an opinion yet anyway. it would probably be worth listing Bloodsong as a variant then as well, both as an extra spirit and as a possible replacement for the Signet, if a player would rather not cap the signet (seeing as the build does work either way). --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  06:48, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I will go for it, but I have a couple tasks first, including: This build has extensive templates & usage so changing it requires a major re-write task. Any help in editing is welcome! Testing too: I'd like to finalize the optimal build before I re-write the whole article. I'm now working on some additional variants of the SoGM version (so far: Anguish compresses the skillbar by dealing as much damage as 2 low-cost spirits; Summon Spirits can move the spirits to a position where they will focus on team-leaders like Palawa Joko). I did plan to move Bloodsong to variants, possibly adding more specific suggestions than the current "any offensive spirit." --War_Pig5 04:53, 16 December 2008 (EST)
 * I'm 90% done with the new NFT Spirit article using SoGM. If people like this one, then, instead of editing it, I can mark it for archival and create a new article called, say "Any/Rt NFT Signet of Ghostly Might" - any thoughts or opinions on that?War_Pig5 16:53, 14 February 2009 (EST)
 * I would just edit this one, since this would still be a variant in the SoGM version (it still works, the SoGM just works better). and the current title applies to both designs. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  15:47, 16 February 2009 (EST)
 * Use discretion, people come here for builds. If you have SoGM, gfy; it isn't required for the build and most people don't want to go out and cap a random elite--Relyk 02:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not just stick SoGM on the main bar but put in big letters underneath "Signet of Ghostly Might is not needed if you do not have it, simply use Bloodsing or something instead, it just makes htings faster and easier!"? Possibly put a translation for those people who speak only Bork! Bork! Bork!. 86.0.99.181 21:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cause smart people would already bring sogm without a wiki build guiding their every step to pve domination--Relyk 23:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Cold As Ice for Warriors
I have done Cold as Ice with my warrior. Use all runes of attunement and radiant insignias on your armor. Plus I use a staff with Sieze the Day inscription + energy. It should bring your energy up to 58. I use the same build listed here, but I use Ursan Blessing. Step up Cast all your spirits and Painful Bond. Wait for 10 energy and Ursan the Griffon to death. It might take a few times, but it works. As far with the Bison Tournament and using my other toons I don't have any problems with energy or beating foes. Noid1212

SoS Variant
I've used signet of spirits quite successfully with this build, though you should only cast the spirits that are needed for a particular foe. Can anyone comment as to whether the Signet of Ghostly Might is better than SoS now? The recent rit buff makes this build even better.Anson Carmichael 21:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say SoS is better. Ghostly might is great but the damage bonus doesn't apply to bloodsong and vampirism. SoS would add another 3 spirits that would improve the bonus damage from painful bond--Grandmaster Chen 16:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I dno, do the math, but with ghostly might spirits do 50% more hits in a given space of time, so more than the 3 you'd get from sos i think, and although the damage bonus doesn't affect all, it's still the equivalent as 1 spirits as well as the IAS to all spirits. Exo Oo 21:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Went through the tournament several times with SoS, it worked on everyone i went up against and the spirits from SoS spawn in a way that, when used in a corner, bodyblocks all melee chars from getting to you, including Magni.
 * Since SoS is a signet, bear in mind that it is a good choice for a build lacking in energy/regen such as a ranger or warrior because it is free of energy, recharges quickly (meaning it is spammable against spirit wreckers such as Magni) and efficient.--Grandmaster Chen 22:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Mainbar Siphon Spirit
I am easily able to do the tournament on a warrior with Siphon Spirit. Could it be mainbar'd ?99.190.105.14 12:21, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Caster proffessions don't need Siphon Spirit, so it's not worth mainbarring. It would most certainly be a variant though. <span style="border-right:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;border-left:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;font-family:serif;font-size:8pt;"> Thomas   So   Dutch  13:42, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Pain Inverter
Add PI with Armor of Unfeeling and its basically fail proof. If the opponent uses something like meteor shower then they will KO them selves. UnwokenSpirit 22:07, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I added PI as well. Gwen (listed as a counter) blew herself up in one spiritual pain. just gotta dummy cast it once or twice to get rid of her rupts. I also used a build without SoS. Pain, Bloodsong, Shadowsong, Anguish were the only spirits, brought PI, armor of unfeeling, signet of creation, and painful bond. was real easy honestly. on Magni use Pi first, then when he starts casting purge, pop painful bond, the 4 spirits will drop him in one cast of painful. Lithen 04:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Video example
I did this a year ago with my warrior... If you want a video as example, here it is: Magni the Bison as W/Rt (1080p). Btw, I don't think this is new :S it's already so known --Jorre22225 08:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Remove Farming Tag and Rename?
Not sure if this would be considered a farm. True you can farm the tokens, but I feel like it is more of a run.

I propose removing the farming tag and rename to remove the "Farmer" in the title.

User:Typhloman|Typhloman]] (talk) 18:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd rather keep the farming tag and remove running, since this is hardly a run. By the way, are you near the bear club quest on any character? If it works for that one aswell (maybe with shadow song and spirit leech aura) it could be changed to something along the lines of Any/Rt Solo Quest Spirit Spam with a general tag. --Krschkr (talk) 16:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I like that idea. I did not test it after writing this, but I have used very similar builds (if not the same one) in the past to do that solo ice griffon quest and the bear club quest with different professions.  Some of them only required a +20e staff to handle the energy.  Think I might have a few characters that still need the quest, but it will be while until I can get to it.  I know for sure that all of mine did the ice griffon already. with an SoS build. Typhloman (talk) 00:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The griffon is known to be doable with spirits, but I think I remember that some people had trouble with the bear. It has defy pain, so the many tiny damage packets aren't very effective – that's why I brought up spiritleech aura. I suppose it doesn't hurt much if this page stays like this until someone gets to the bear club quest to verify that it works well. --Krschkr (talk) 09:52, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Just did bear club on my warrior. No issues.  Don't need spirit leech.  Just need high energy staff and when spirits are cast, just switch to bear club and hold it.  don't even need to attack. Typhloman (talk) 01:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

We could add 'quest' to PvType and create the appropriate categories, since builds designed for specific quests don't neatly fall under the farming or running categories. This would also let us deprecate the HardModeOnly template. It would be a rather small category of builds but I don't particularly mind that. -Toraen (talk) 03:20, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * A quest category? *whistle* It could replace the meta category for PvE on the main page. --Krschkr (talk) 11:30, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Since we were reworking the Build:Rt/any Signet of Spirits Hero page, this is now redundant in the farming category. It could be merged with it, but I still do not see this being a farm.  More like a run or "quest" category.  Mozo (talk) 02:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I still think that merging "unique" builds isn't a good idea. If we only have 1 build for farming a certain thing and that even happens to be an Any/ page I think that deserves visibility (especially here since this is for an important quest that pretty much everyone will do at some point). I'd argue that after the Any/Rt farm build got changed to to Rt/Any, it makes even more sense not to merge this. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 07:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The solution I'd currently personally prefer: Any/Rt, quest category; reworked to cover all solo quests. Primary ritualists will most likely be playing Build:Rt/any Spirit Spammer anyway, so I can see how this page is primarily directed towards non-Ritualists. Furthermore, other than the farming build page, this page is intended to allow people to get through a quest just once (since no one will actually farm tokens), whereas the farming build is made for perpetual use and will significantly benefit from the greater effectiveness that comes with the primary profession ritualist. With this in a quest category it'd make a lot of sense to keep this and the farming build separate in order to not cause confusion with deviating skill choices and usage sections and to reflect the different focus. Since Toraen still seems to be very busy I'll take a look into the template code and check whether I can figure out how to add the type, but I'll most likely fail. If I can't get that to work I won't oppose the merge position though, as long as we make a good draft for it. But if we were to go for that approach, we should first keep working on the existing vow of silence merge draft and finish that. --Krschkr (talk) 13:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless I overlooked something the implementation of the new type quest wasn't as tricky as I expected. Please head to the community portal to discuss this new gameplay type for PvX builds.
 * Please note that the addition of the gameplay type quest and adding this page to it doesn't mean that this will definitely be the solution we'll stick to for this page. We can still chose a different approach, if we agree on it here on the talk page. --Krschkr (talk) 14:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Quest tag might be a good idea, but I don't think farming should be removed from the tags here. What this build does is the definition of farming - repeating a piece of content indefinitely for profit. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 17:58, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Profit, really? When I had more than 130 tokens from creating builds for this quest people wouldn't even take them for free. And if you go for the alcohol, rather than the crown, you'll earn much more currency simply by vanquishing with a full hero team (and if you need the alcohol, you'll get more of it by buying it from other players with the currency earned vanquishing). I understand this build as a tool purely for completing the quest for the PvE skill reward and the few unlocks that can happen throughout the quest. Neither are the norn title rewards meaningful. What am I missing? --Krschkr (talk) 19:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with what Krschkr is saying. I do not think of this as a farm.  True it is done like a farm, but there is no profit involved.  Instead, I think it should just be noted that you can collect the coins for the crown.  We can just list it as a Farmable location on the Build:Rt/any Spirit Spammer page if needed. Mozo (talk) 17:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess that's fair. Still this used to be a working farm long ago so I'd vote for archival instead of overhauling the page to fit a new category and purpose. Archive this, add the location to the page you've linked, and create an entirely fresh new page for the quest category imo. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 17:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't mind, as long as at least one of you gives it a rating so we can give the meta tag a rating without remorse (despite it's not 100% within policy). Would you volunteer to make the new solo quest page for bear club, tournament and griffon or shall I do it? Or will Mozo beat us to it? :D --Krschkr (talk) 20:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll give Mozo a 12 hour headstart :P --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Lol. Okay.  I added the farming to the Rt/Any Signet of Spirits Farmer page and added the archive note to this page.  I accidentally mentioned Build:Rt/any Spirit Spammer above by accident.  I meant the farm.  Do you think there should be three separate pages for the bear club, tournament, and griffon?  They are the same build with pretty much the same options.  I was basically planning on just copying this page and modifying it a little bit. Mozo (talk) 00:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

This should definitely be on a single page that reflects, ideally already with the page title, that it is for all solo content that doesn't take away your skill bar: The only thing this might be bad for is augury rock, although I think that it works. Probably just need to walk backwards for a second and then make spirits. And if it doesn't work that easily, there's a separate build skill featured in the quest category just for this purpose. --Krschkr (talk) 01:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Norn Fighting Tournament.
 * Cold as Ice.
 * Bear Club.
 * Mano a Norn-o.
 * Service: Practice Dummy.
 * Tihark Orchard.
 * Great Alemoot. (Ok, you don't need any skills at all and don't even have to fight, so listing this is just deception to make the list look longer.)
 * Calling All Thugs. (Same as Alemoot.)
 * All Instructor Ng quests. (Big surprise!)
 * I can agree with that. However, what should such a mighty build page be called? Mozo (talk) 04:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * "Solo Content Spirit Spammer" maybe? --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I vote for Any/Rt Solo Quests / Any/Rt Solo Content for brevity and avoidance of the word "spammer" which I personally dislike. --Krschkr (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Solo Content SoS at least? --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We got rid of most abbr. when changing PvX:NAME recently, so I'd want to avoid making new ones, so I'd prefer Solo Content Signet of Spirits over Solo Content SoS. --Krschkr (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to avoid names that long. Cmon let's go with the Solo Content Spirit Spammer, it's not a bad name as most people refer to SoS builds like that anways, no need to reinvent the nomenclature. --DefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 14:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Made the page Build:Any/Rt Signet of Spirits Solo Content just to get us started. We can change the name later if we want.  Mozo (talk) 01:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You see, we could of course go for spirit spammer rather than signet of spirits, I won't oppose it if you're strongly inclined towards it. Either name will serve the purpose and more important is to get the page content right. I'd just like to mention that I fail to see how it'd shorten the name by more than one letter (and one space character) to pick the spirit spammer. Move it any time without leaving a redirect if it shall be the spirit spammer name. And let's continue on the new page's talk page now, shall we? --Krschkr (talk) 12:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)