Build talk:Rt/any Signet of Ghostly Might

Since this build is used so frequently now I felt it deserves its own build page. Vorpal 19:08, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanx Jai for cleaning up the build a bit and giving it a better name! :) I'm not so sure about Draw Spirit though, I think it's better just to micro EoE and FS when needed. Vorpal 19:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The 60sec recharge on EoE especially means that it'll only be available for about half of the fights. That's enough to warrant the use of Draw in a lot of cases. -- Jai . -  20:12, May 18 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting microing Draw spirit to just bring frozen soil along? -- [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain  Alex  00:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I just don't see Draw Spirit working so I'm going to remove it again. When you need FS, like in slavers or against peacekeepers, you usually micro it and put it somewhere safe in range, after which you disable the skill again. Shortly after the fight is finished it's usually recharged already, or at least before you encounter the next mob. Now concerning EoE, it's a nice damage buff but not worth mico-ing the entire time. Once again, when you really need it you probably already micro'd it somewhere safe. 60sec recharge is indeed a bit long but not worth bringing Draw Spirit along, this will only slow you down more. Vorpal 00:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's only used in spiritway, no one in their right mind would bring this over an sos rit. I kind of wanted to avoid posting it as an individual build, but whatever, makes it easier to list optionals and variants. And no, EoE will always be in range of 2-3 groups otherwise you're either doing a vq or the area is easy enough that you don't need it for every group.-- Relyk 03:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Having Spawning power at 12+2 makes you go from 5 to 6 energy gain and from 4 to 5 at 9+2, which is worth the investment! And spirits benefit from higher spawning power of course.. :) Vorpal 12:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Usage with SoS
Should it be said somewhere in the notes that this is almost always used with a SoS ritualist? 124.190.27.5 09:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * the link to spiritway is sufficient-- Relyk 10:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm with 124 here - it should be said.Steve1 16:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

SoGm vs ST
How about we once and for all establish which one is better and deserves to be mainbarred? Frankly my vote goes to ST, SoGM might be the better skill on paper for sure, but it's useless when the hero doesn't have any or few spirits to cast after or in a battle. ST speeds things up, spirits are slow enough already, and makes it possible to incorporate overpowered stuff like Dissonance and Shelter. It's just the better skill in practice. After some fooling around with both I came to the conclusion that I cleared stuff a little faster with ST, it's not like anything is going to survive that huge spiritarmy anyway and therefore the extra damage from SoGM is neglectable IMO. Any thoughts on the subject? Vorpal  21:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * SoGM. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 21:39, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * this isn't the place to discuss the merits of choosing ST or SoGM when building a team, discuss it on your user space or guildguru-- Relyk 00:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really see why this wouldn't be the place to discuss this, tbh. But the thing is, SoGM is far better if you actually micro spirits, which takes about 5 seconds to do. Not to mention that the spirits almost always recharge in time between mobs. Also, the ST rit is always associated with defensive spirits, so naming this would get much more confusing. Honestly, the only time I'd bring ST is in areas where mobs are really tiny and spirits actually are still recharging when you get to the next mob. In most areas, SoGM works perfectly fine. Also, you should never bring Shelter unless you know it's going to get the recharge from ST. -- Jai . -  18:48, July 24 2011 (UTC)
 * lol gwguru Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 23:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

@ Rask's vote
Just disable and click it once every half minute or so. Or if that's too much, ST works well too in my experience Fianchetto 18:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Or hotkey SoGM to fancy button like y --Master Elros 20:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * SoGM doesn't make the build, the spirits do. SoGM's there instead of ST or something else because ST isn't needed for most places and all the other elites are either useless or are used even worse by heroes than SoGM (Rit Lord specifically). -- Jai . -  22:09, December 21 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote removed, since it's too close to the 'effort = bad' mentality and provides no other reason. --  Toraen   talk  05:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * when there's only 1 trash vote out of 15, you gotta wonder why. what exactly about this "great"-deserving bar can be improved in light of ? or is this truly the best that's possible? Fianchetto 00:29, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That linked build is horrible, doesn't help that your the author either.-- Relyk 00:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * then convince me why it's horrible and why authorship matters. Fianchetto 16:23, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's self-explanatory, stop being bad.-- Relyk 16:29, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I got EC'd, but yeah Relyk got dis. PewPew   QQ   16:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * oh wise sir relyk, my epic badness pleads for a more specific enlightenment. Fianchetto 16:58, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Take it to the talk page of that build. I will say here that you are obviously biased towards builds you've authored, which is why authorship affects others' perception of you linking that build here. -- Toraen   confer  17:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Generally, if there's two tags on the build that would result in conflicting ratings, we should be using the "higher" tag for the votes and consider a page split. This seems a pretty clear candidate for such. -Toraen (talk) 06:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Page's been split. Might have to check this one's votes whether some of them are now obsolete. --Krschkr (talk) 15:42, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Whoops, forgot to do this earlier. I had to remove both low and high votes though, so the rating didn't really change in the end. -Toraen (talk) 13:22, 9 September 2018 (UTC)