Archive talk:Me/E GM Illusion Pressure

Ripped from obs. -- -Ch  ao  s-   09:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How about Sum of All Fears? Or is the 20% effect too low? Finsky 10:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Imo, looks like it was put together really fast, but idk if the energy on that is going to be the best. κʊʀʐɨᴄκ ᴀᴋᴀ  [|ᴀᴍᴀᴛᴇᴜᴙ] 17:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't spam your payload on recharge, energy was fine on the mesmer I obsed it on. -- -Ch  ao  s-   18:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a funny build. uɐɟ ɐʞıd  o ^_^ o  ¸ « ` 19:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How much damage does GM do again? Like 10-14/sec? [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 20:18, 17 August 2009
 * Honestly, the entire bar is pretty meh to me, and it seems like a random whim that the people at the top are just bored of running the same thing, and just ran this for the hell of it. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]uɐɟ ɐʞıd  o ^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 20:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Something like that, but it worked to some extent. Also, blame Tahiri for not having Phantom Pain ;o -- -Ch  ao  s-   20:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and conjure nightmare has better damage in the long run anyway. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 20:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So it has, but we have to remember Mr. Degen-cap. -- -Ch  ao  s-   08:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Or you could use your brain for once and realise that it's pretty obvious I am talking about replacing IoP. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]][[User:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017"

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 * Don't know the english term for it, but we were talking about Phantom Pain, and if you say "it", it means Phantom Pain, until something else is mentioned. -- -Ch  ao  s-   16:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wut's common sense? Wut's logic? If you look at my reply it was clearly an afterthought to my reply before that. The only skill that I clearly have in mind must be IoP, if Phantom Pain is indispensable in this build and GM is an elite. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 16:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, but you couldn't expect anyone to cbf figuring out that you might've meant something else than what you grammatically indicated. Either way, end of retarded subject, it was a misunderstanding. -- -Ch  ao  s-   17:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Decent for AB imo75.218.100.33 01:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

woah, Etheral Burden is waaaaaay better than imagined--68.103.134.125 04:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Imagined is a 20 second snare which is very nice on a split. Drahgal Meir 05:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ethereal is energy, but Imagined is a more efficient snare. Also, I considered AB myself, but I didn't tag it for there because I didn't really know what to put over res. -- -Ch  ao  s-   08:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

run away from the mes a bit before illusion of pain ends for free heals. KtAN 10:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if IoP isn't renewed, the target will have lost a bit of health. Also, remember the mesmer has a snare and IMS. -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It does work in certain situations. I ripped the build from obs too (though thanks for the attribute spread, saved me from watching the dmg monitors in obs ^.^ ) It's immense pressure in a short time. The key is to keep up the illusion of pain, then most of the time you can outpressure the monk. The monk will run out of energy eventually while you should be able to keep up long enough. Only real problem is the lack of self defence/heal. Without a monk in RA you're lucky to kill one person. It does work excellent in AB and FA though. NPC's drop easy. Only problem is that it isn't AoE. It's a fun build, not the most useful though. Haven't tried it in GvG yet.--Faure 11:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What about if the hex is removed early? Apparently they still get healed (see wiki), and in fact for the full amount, so you'd actually be healing your target overall. 81.105.65.18 12:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you got an eager monk (most of them are in not-gvg) they remove phantom pain first, leaving you with 2 clean hexes. If you notice the monk is not-newb, you can bait it with Ethereal Burden on any char (it will get called and removed, because people hate snares the worst). Plus, normally you're hexes recharge faster then the hex removal. Only thing I've seen working very well (ie, almost no dmg done) against this was Weapon of Remedy. --Faure 13:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They can't remove it fast enough to get healing from it, and there's priorities and it'll likely be covered too. It heals nothing on renewal, because it never ends. -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Obs more, and you know that nobody sticks or tarry around long enough to make that happen. More often or not it will get disrupted by the mesmer himself kiting, people running away, skill interrupted and knockdowns or being called to go on a different split because you only have a short ~2 seconds to make the chain happen.[[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 14:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right. I tested on Master of Damage without renewing, he was still on minus. -- -Ch  ao  s-   15:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

If you make into FA/AB/RA tag I think you might be able to get it into 'good'. Let's call it a decent build for low-end pvpish --Faure 19:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I faced this build in RA. It was quite formidable as well as annoying. --173.65.155.190 13:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In RA it can quite effectively outpressure healers, though stuff like Shielding Hands and SoA help. -- -Ch  ao  s-   14:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

wow, thats 53dmg/s, talk about pressure, i think i will use it (albeit in a e/me variant) we really need a category for these kinds of builds, cause it isnt fair that a good idea like this (although it does need improvement) gets thrown away VALAR
 * Yes, it is (and I'm the author). In arenas I counter these easily with SoA/SH, in AB/CM these don't do much, this does have energy issues, which I had never suspected, and in GvG it's very niche. -- -Ch  ao  s-   07:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Good
Didn't see that coming. -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I was a complete shitter in FA with this earlier. It's just mean. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:29, 27 August 2009
 * But seriously, omg is this fun to play in FA. Poor turtles go "wtf?" [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">00:44, 27 August 2009

For people who are trash voting, I thougth that ganker bars were supposed to completely spec into ganking and not be less effective ganking/splitting by having some use at the stand? Exo Oo 06:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh. 2-2 by Ikimono gets low already, I can accept a 3-2 from Readem, he has a pro reasoning and I'm not in a position to oppose him. -- -Ch  ao  s-   08:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Then again, we have to remember that 3.75 is the limit for good ;o -- -Ch  ao  s-   13:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I keep running against this in RA, and i keep thanking the people who run it because I usually run Shield of Absorbtion on my bar. So i can effectively tank the damage and any other form of damage that I was taking from melee pressure etc, quite well for the duration of SoA.-- Ikimono <font color ="Brown">"...And my axe" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 10:18, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * And i'm very tempted to take my vote lower, cause i keep on seeing it do poorly in comparison to a perma-blackout, or simple diversion which if landed correctly, can shitstomp a player/team quite easily.-- Ikimono <font color ="Brown">"...And my axe" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 10:20, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Tbh, that's true against most builds.... <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">14:44, 2 October 2009

Trash
It's never used, and the other IoP bars outclass this. --Crow 19:28, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Then vote it into trash or WELL tag it :/ <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">20:16, 23 November 2009