Archive talk:D/A AoM Dervish

Discussion
d/w/a? That's leet, that is. Lord of all tyria 21:37, 13 November 2007 (CET)
 * This AoM build has been around forever... why are u posting here??? D/W is better Himynameisbobbyjoe 19:26, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * No IAS, cripple, stance removal, or any of the other things that are of great need in PVP. This build can disrupt, but thats about it.  Energy will be HORRIBLE with Chilling Victory in there if you place in Heart Of Fury with it.  There are better AOM builds. -  &dagger; Lord Xivor &dagger;  00:42, 16 November 2007 (CET)

Lol at ^^^ — Skakid9090 03:36, 16 November 2007 (CET)

There isn't enough different here to merit it's own build page in my opinion. Just throw it as a variant in the other hundred AoM builds.--Zeron  13:33, 19 November 2007 (CET)

How do you interrupt Aegis with wild blow? — Skakid9090 00:31, 23 November 2007 (CET)

Different usage, different page imo.-- Victory  (talk /pvxcontribs ) 20:45, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Delete tag
I said it before, See Build:W/E PvP Shock Axe, Archive:W/D Rending Touch Axe. Archive:W/A Shadow Axe — Skakid9090 20:58, 25 November 2007 (CET)
 * I dun get it... are you pointing out that with even 6 similar skills you can make different builds depending on the last 2 you add? єяøהħ 21:19, 25 November 2007 (CET)
 * Their deletion because of duplication has been discussed and rejected multiple times, as have Archive:R/Mo PvP Burning Arrow, Archive:R/Mo PvP Crippling Shot, Archive:R/Mo Broad Head Arrow Ranger, and Archive:R/any PvP Magebane Shot. — Skakid9090 00:18, 26 November 2007 (CET)
 * Delete the other build --Shadowsin 04:08, 26 November 2007 (CET)

This seriously is in the D/W build's variant section. i'm putting the delete tag back up, sorry. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ  (contribs) 00:38, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * Sorry for acting without sense, I believe. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]] Shen (contribs) 00:56, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * No. — Skakid9090 00:59, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * this is in the D/W's variant section. that does not apply to the other builds you have mentioned. They are not dupe deleted because they serve different purposes and function very differently. However, we could argue all day, so I think I should ask an admin to look this over. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 03:58, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * Why the hell is this in D/W's variants? They serve totally different purposes.  Putting these skills there totally invalidates what the D/W is designed to do, intense pressure. --71.229.204.25 04:04, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * I deeply disagree. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 04:05, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * What's the difference between a Shock Axe and the old SP Axe? One's for spiking, one's for pressure.  That's it.  Exactly the same skills besides that one from the secondary, but requiring radically different playstyles. --71.229.204.25 04:09, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * /agree. –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 04:14, 28 November 2007 (CET)

Here's the problem: if the D/A was legitimately a variant of the D/W and the D/W mentioned the D/A as a variant (as it does), then this should and would be a candidate for deletion. However, aside from the fact that it's usually (bear in mind that I said usually) not a good idea to have a build that's not X/any have variants that are of a different secondary, the D/A isn't actually a legitimate variant of the D/W, at least not as we define variant. Thus, it follows that if it shouldn't be on the D/W page in the first place, then the entire question of deletion is based on a faulty premise which renders the entire debate moot. *Defiant Elements*  +talk  04:38, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * Removed the variant from the D/W. --71.229.204.25 04:44, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * I feel that i have to protest that: both have nearly equal spiking and pressure capabilities. the only real difference between the two secondary professions is choice of IMS and utility (a minor one, not worthy of a seperate page imo). a D/W with gw:Distracting Strike and rush would function very similarly to this, but the skills chosen for IMS and interrupt would just have different mechanics. I understand the shock/rend/shadow thing, along with the Burning/broad,cripshot thing. but this functions almost identically to the other. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 00:12, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * I again point you to Shock Axe compared to SP Axe. Only difference is one has a shadow step and the other has a KD.  This is a stance removal and a run stance compared to a shadow step and an interrupt. --71.229.204.25 00:14, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * Listening to the argument you're trying to rebut FTW. ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 00:16, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * Anon is right. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:17, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * I'm trying to decide which would get on your nerves more, copy/pasting that for my post or copy/pasting my previous post. What you just said is just as applicable to you as it is to me, maybe moreso. --71.229.204.25 00:19, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * please excuse my apparent nubliness, but i see no shadow step here outside of variant section. and if this is different from D/W soley based on that, then we should either dupe delete this or on the other ~  ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs) 00:24, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * I must just be a noob because i don't well understand how those skills function too differently from one another >< *bangs own head on wall* ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ [[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]] (contribs)
 * Sprint stance, then. I could swear there was a shadow step on there at some point. --71.229.204.25 00:33, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * That's very unfortunate. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:34, 29 November 2007 (CET)
 * Some guilds use to run Shadow Walk on Dervs. --Hikari 16:05, 26 December 2007 (EST)
 * ? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 01:05, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Chilling Victory
Oh noes -- Lann 02:06, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Chilling victory is ubernerfed, but this shouldnt be archived from just one skill. Add a better scythe attack. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  11:22, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Victorious? --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] Lann 17:56, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Guess so. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  11:57, 27 July 2008 (EDT)