Archive talk:R/D Ebon Dust Aura Volley

Discussion
Isn't this practically a clone of a build that's already been vetted? --71.229.204.25 02:51, 25 September 2007 (CEST)


 * Need to cap EDA, but it looks pretty nice. And no.. it's not a clone, just the same species. Perhaps even family. Heheh. cedave  (contributions_buildpage)  04:38, 25 September 2007 (CEST)


 * I swear I've seen an EDA/Volley build before. Fewer conditions, though. --71.229.204.25 04:51, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Probably this one: Archive:R/D Ebon Dust Arrow. The general idea is the same, but it is adapted for PvE use vs multiple targets (Volley). Mobs mostly do not remove conditions or have no condition removal at all. You can also easily avoid enchantment removal through positioning or just put up Aura of Thorns as cover. --Longasc 10:49, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

Took awhile for someone to make this, only a matter of time til the make a Spirit's Strength 2.--Relyk 05:43, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Agreed. I also wonder why there is not a generic Splinter/Barrage build here already, it is quite common. --Longasc 10:49, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * It's probably in the general barrage build with random secondaries. - Auron 11:24, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Yes, it is. Specific splinter barrage builds have been shot down, even though they are really effective against tightly cluttered groups, including MMs and summoning ritualists. Alaris 17:18, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

Can i ask why you chose poison tip signet over apply poison?--Goldenstar 20:58, 25 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Volley removes preps -.- [[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets]]Ibreaktoilets 21:00, 25 September 2007 (CEST)

I use Signet of Infection in the optional slot useful for softening mobs in several areas (not human mobs obviously) —Fabes ''' 09:52, 28 September 2007 (CEST)
 * This is a very good idea. I think I will have to rewrite the whole build to add in all the optional ideas. --Longasc 18:48, 3 October 2007 (CEST)

Imo...
[build prof=R/D exp=12+1 mar=9+1+1 earthp=9][sloth hunter's shot][Volley][Distracting Shot][savage shot][favorable winds][lightning reflexes][Ebon Dust Aura][Resurrection Signet][/build] Tycn 15:52, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I like it. In fact I usually forget about Aura of Thorns and add something else like Lightning Reflexes or Sloth Hunter like Skakid and you already suggested. Poison, bleeding, crippled is not really that important in PvE, spamming blindness over and over is they thing you do with it after all. This is the core:

I like one unblockable attack for this build against blocking mobs. Now what could people add in the two slots? Sloth Hunter, Screaming Shot, Favorable Winds, Lightning Reflexes... what else... gotta think about that. Maybe this bar could do it: This is actually it is all about... ^^ --Longasc 18:43, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I will also get rid of the two major runes. Not necessary once Poison Tip Signet is out. --Longasc 18:55, 3 October 2007 (CEST)

Changed according to feedback
--Longasc 19:52, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Poison Tip Signet and all attribute points in Wilderness Survival are gone
 * No more major runes
 * Now 2 optional slots
 * All suggestions work nicely and became examples for the optional slots


 * Maybe something like this could be viable for RA .. certainly fun to run

-- Kyrax 20:14, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
 * There is already a similar build for PvP, check it, Ebon Dust Arrow. It uses a preparation and gets rid of Volley (removes preparations) - Volley makes only sense in PvE. --Longasc 15:52, 4 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Also, energy is tight enough as it is, mystic regeneration would be nearly impossible to manage. Plus the basic fact that most people don't clump in RA. Justing6 00:44, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Heroes
Does this work well with them?-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * I tested with heros and they use it brilliantly.Extreme 15:50, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * It wouldn't really surprise me. Any retard can run Barrage, all you need to do with this one is cast an enchantment first. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  15:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * i know hero's are bad with mobs+AoE just checkin.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic

You need to micro EDA, which isn't demanding. -Shen 17:30, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Nah. Just stick it in the first slot and they will do it themselves.
 * I think EDA should be in slot 1 then. Even humans find it easiest to activate skills from left to right. I say "yay". All in favor? All opposed say "nay". --War Pig5 07:58, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Unnecessarily long EDA duration
The build recommends 10 Earth Prayers and a +20% enchantment duration bow, resulting in a 30 second duration for EDA, which has a 20 second recharge time. This seems like overkill to me because it only needs to last until it recharges. 6 Earth Prayers and a bow of enchanting seems fine to me. As does 8 Earth Prayers and a bow of fortitude. Fortitude also allows for usage of a Major rune while still increasing heath by 5 (net). I'm thinking that the blind duration is unimportant because blind enemies will likely be blinded again before their blindness wears off (due to Volley's AoE effect). If blind duration is indeed an issue, then we should be recommending one of the blind duration breakpoints (7, 9 & 12 Earth Prayers). --War Pig5 07:53, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Reduced Earth by 1, for the time being. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:48, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I can't take credit for the actual edits, but its now at 8 and falling rapidly:-) thanks, Rapta & everybody, for the help in editing; this build is definitely improving. My only problems so far have been with non-melee foes that refuse to stand Near one another other and with touchers (particularly those with Shock; as a possible counter I hope to test the Dwarven Stability+booze combo:-). --War Pig5 22:48, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

Bow Attack
So even though Volley is a Bow Attack it is not enough alone to trigger EDA? (I ask because I am testing a DR version) Kiteeye 23:23, 5 April 2008 (EDT)


 * What? -- 23:40, 5 April 2008 (EDT)


 * Volley will trigger EDA, just as all Bow Attack Skills will. Normal bow attacks will not. Skills that are not Bow Attacks will not. (By the way, that question was almost as confusing as the article (which I just cleaned up so that it is less confusing.)) --War Pig5 22:29, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

why is this vetted that good? spreading blindness to some melee attackers? the huge damage are doing the casters, and they just don't care about blindness. i rather take a BHA ranger with epidemic to go in PvE or simply a splinter barrager, there you have huge damage.
 * We rated it high because we tried it and it works. It counters enemy casters and melee and rangers. Its easy to use (BHA isn't for Hero AI). Not everyone agrees that Splinter Barrage has huge damage compated to great Elementalist build. I personally think that Barragers shouldn't have Splinter Weapon. The SW should be cast on them by someone who can support higher Channeling.--War Pig5 23:27, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Related build
I'm using this build as a prototype for a new Build:R/D Grenth's Grasp Volley. Whoever confirms that it works first should post the build, find-replaceing the 2 words that change from this article to that one. --War Pig5 23:27, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It doesn't work. Grenth's Grasp is useless in PvE. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:05, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

pet?
could add some damage, and a couple of odd possibilites:

and then something like Bestial Pounce in the optional. thoughts?
 * Why...  21:50, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * just a thought ...--Reason.decrystallized 21:53, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * well, tbh i had my hero cap a spider today in what can only be described as a fit of vanity, and i'm just thinking of random things to do with it.--Reason.decrystallized 21:59, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Bow Type
Currently quoted:- An Ebon Bow of Enchanting is best while casting EDA. A maximum damage 15^50 Ebon Bow of Fortitude is best at all other times.

While the first part of this is a good reasoning, the latter claiming that Fortitude is best could cause confusion as it has been discussed many times the advantages and difference between +30 and +5 armor.Tutis Evito 09:14, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * +5 armor is always a horrible upgrade. First off, you'll be sitting in midlines spamming bow attacks. Second, you throw Called Shot at anything attacking you and it'll be blinding. Third, if you were getting spiked (although you won't in PvE, this is just an example), more health helps against the spike, not a measily bit of extra armor which is commonly overridden by party armor buffs ("WY!", "SY!", etc). --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 09:16, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Like i said there have been many discussion on the pros and cons of +30hp and +5 armor, with alot of maths shown as well. I like using both, but to say 'this bow is the best' at all other times isnt needed. To say more hp is best agasint a spike is again disagreeable as extra armor will reduce the damage of the spike ( though this is listed as a pve build, so spikes are less common.) Bowgrip of Defense with an Armor +5 reduces incoming damage to 91.7% of normal, which means about a 9% benefit. Even if the Fortitude grip is perfect at +30 HP, the benefit from the Fortitude grip amounts to about 5% to 7%. Im not saying change the build to say 'maximum damage 15^50 Ebon Bow of Defence is best at all other times' what i am saying is that it should be chnaged to allow the user more flexibility in there bow. eg :- Maximum damage 15^50 Ebon Bow with a bow grip of your choice. OR Maximum damage 15^50 Ebon Bow of Fortitude/Defence is best at all other times.

The whole fortitude/defence argument can go on and on, some prefer fort. some prefer defence.Tutis Evito 08:01, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Serpent's Quickness(+Dwarven Stability)
If I am not mistaken, this should decrease the recharge of Volley to 1 second (rounded down, of course) so you can spam it as much as Barrage, thus triggering physical buffs more often. You'd need to spare a couple points into Wilderness Survival, as well as have a high Deldrimor Rank, sadly. Sounds like a good variant, imo. ــмıкε нaшк  13:05, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Conflagration & Splinter Shot
Firstly If a hero has as Ebon bow (earth damage) but the spirit Conflagration (or greater colflagration) is active will this skill still blind? Conflagration changes the damage from arrows to fire dmg which would of course mean the arrows are not earth dmg, but the bow is still ebon. Basically which takes precident and will it blind?

Secondly will the splinters form spliter shot also blind? they are part of the attack skill from the ebon bow? anyone tried? I guess it wont work or it would be in the build. Xiay 11:39, 18 November 2008 (EST)
 * no and no. - Mc Tai [[Image:Tai_Recharge.png|19px]] 11:46, 18 November 2008 

Missing.
Antidote Signet, no? 62.45.130.156 11:34, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 * It's PvE. Monks generally do well enough on condition removal. Add it to variants.  Toraen  (Talk  /  Contrib)  15:08, 24 November 2008 (EST)

This
[build prof=Ranger/Dervish Expertise=12+1+1 Marksmanship=10+1 EarthPrayers=8][Ebon Dust Aura][volley][Savage Shot][Distracting Shot][Optional][Favorable Winds][Conviction][res sig][/build] does better imo &rarr; J.J.  berks   (contrib)  15:41, 1 December 2008 (EST)
 * Agree, current version looks fucking ugly..Masterbow 16:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How about chucking in a block skill in the optional slot.--81.151.112.243 17:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LR. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 17:21, 11 June 2009