Archive talk:A/W Flourish Assassin

wow, why are so many of these builds archived with reasons of "introduction to nightfall" and yet, the build has nightfall skills in it? Eronth 15:19, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
 * This used to be something like lead-off-HOTO-FS-twisting instead of the current Siphon Speed-BSS-TF-BLS-BoS. I guess someone updated it...? Shido 16:11, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

I don't see why this isn't viable anymore. Same combo as the regular Shadow Prison spiker, but slower. Sure it loses two of it's main advantages, the shadowstep and the speed, but the ability to reuse the skills right after can be devastating, especially in RA or TA. I can imagine this could make a fast killer in AB as well. Swiftslash \\  17:11, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
 * I'm thinking we start removing the tags for re-evaluation, cept im gonna wait and find out if we should. Eronth 18:15, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
 * This is fine for PvE, too. Replace the Rez Sig (or don't) with something defensive. Shido 18:25, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
 * Do we remove the archived tag or not? Eronth 18:37, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
 * I guess we can't until it's been retested and thus not until a the policy is decided on. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] 18:41, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
 * This should definitely get another look. There are vetted builds out there for RA and TA that don't work as well as this (or a variant of this) does.  --Aubee91 16:49, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
 * flourish just got updated to give 2nrg per recharged attack, i think this build is definentaly viable--Omg omg omg 00:19, 15 August 2007 (CEST)

Moved
Alright I tooks specs from shadow to meet break points and lowered deadly to up dagger and crit strikes, and put feigned into main bar. now im gonna move to untested-- Omg omg omg 05:27, 15 August 2007 (CEST)

IAS
Slap Flurry onto it over FN, and you got quite the powerhouse damage dealer, provided you don't die. --Hikari 06:26, 15 August 2007 (CEST)

Weapon Mods
Is it not possible to replace 15^50 with 15^hexed. Siphon Speed has a low recharge and is supposed to be reapplied if it fails and the builds defense is far less certain than the opponents hexability... Stickypanda 20:47, 15 August 2007 (CEST)

combo
why use constantly over and over same combo ... damn it! it just shows how most people dont use ther brain >.<--Iwan13 21:35, 15 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Becuase it works???- Lisark 21:38, 15 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You do know how a general attack assassin works right? Combo->Heal->repeat? Stickypanda 21:50, 15 August 2007 (CEST)

I haven't tested yet, but how does this thing manage energy. The combo, including siphon and flourish, costs 25 energy(including energy gained from Black lotus). For a build thats primary purpose is to have small downtime between attacks, that's a bit restrictive.Bob fregman 22:18, 15 August 2007 (CEST)
 * 3 energy from Flourish (if it recharges 4 skills, which it should). And the spec of critical strikes gives you quite some energy as well. With so many attacks and the spec in critical you get a high amount of critical hits. I think the build is very viable.
 * with the energy gain from black lotus, flourish, and zealous daggs the whole combo only costs 15 nrg. not includining the enegry gain youd get from crits and natural regen. not a nrg problem at all.-- Omg omg omg 23:09, 15 August 2007 (CEST)

this really isnt much better. no energy after combo. or at least usually. and its been archived before. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mizzouman2002 (contribs).
 * It was archived before with the reason "Reason: Introduction of Nightfall has caused this build to fall out of use." I still liked it, and found that it was effective enough and repeatable enough to use even after nightfall was released. Although in my opinion the newer moebius strike builds are better suited for assassins to continually attack, this has clearly superior energy management and should be considered. Also, no energy after the combo? RTFM: Flourish and high crit strikes. -Kaelor 23:52, 15 August 2007 (CEST)

Um you people must be insane. I went to Isle of the Nameless just now and was able to go through all 4 dummies without waiting. I did not use a zealous dagger or any radiant insignias. It's hard ot tell if you actually tested this first.

Insulting people is not the way to get a point across, I would agree, this build has virtually no energy issues. --Hikari 00:47, 16 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I edited my post to make it a little more friendlyStickypanda 02:44, 16 August 2007 (CEST)


 * this build definentaly doesnt have energy issues, but im not saying its better then the new moebius builds, i just didnt think that it should of been archived.--Omg omg omg 02:34, 16 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Perhaps it could be made as a varient of the moebius build? IDK. They are different...

"RTFM: Flourish and high crit strikes"....lawl, flourish doesnt even pay for itself and crit strikes arent high.Bob fregman 03:12, 16 August 2007 (CEST)

and the combo costs 20 energy with zealous, you forgot to count that black spider was raised to 10.Bob fregman 03:14, 16 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Did you try it? It more than pays for it. I can go through 4 of the dummies non stop no energy problems.

New Build
After asking Krowman about it, the best idea is to just make a new build out of it. Bluemilkman 03:26, 16 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Yes, leave this in its archived state for documentation purposes. New build would be fine, though you can do a lot better these days with the buffed Moebius Strike and other NF Assassin skills. See here for the conversation BMM is referring to. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   03:31, 16 August 2007 (CEST)
 * k. i didnt know wheather to update this or make a new build. I like Moebius better anyways so ill just keep it as is.btw the original build was 11dag 7shadow 7deadly 10crits. idk if i should revert-- Omg omg omg 06:08, 16 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Made a new build, . If nothing else, it works well in PvE, similar to an AP spiker only much safer. Tycn 09:46, 16 August 2007 (CEST)

Archived Featured?
How come this can be Featured, if it's in the Archived section? You mean that if we think that a build still works, we can un-archive it? &mdash; Abedeus   10:10, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

It shouldn't be in Featured, but it looks like someone didn't know and changed it anyway. I would change it, but can't be bothered. Tycn 10:13, 17 August 2007 (CEST)