User talk:Ikimono1/Archive1

Ikimono is back...don't know why i couldn't log on with just Ikimono anymore. Until i can...here's this.--&#91;&#91;User:Ikimono1&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;Blue&quot;&gt;&#39;&#39;&#39;Ikimono&#39;&#39;&#39;&lt;/font&gt;&#93;&#93; 16:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sign--&#91;&#91;User:Ikimono1&#124;Ikimono&#93;&#93; 16:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * again..--Ikimono talk  16:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

All images, builds and pictures should be retained. However, your watchlist is wiped clean. Seehere for your old stuff. --☭Guild *talk* 00:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the assistance Guild-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 14:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

try PvX-Ikimono or something. -- -Ch  ao  s-   18:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * oh wow, yea, it worked. Thanks again chaos.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Is your wikia account called Ikimono? -- -Ch  ao  s-   09:57, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, i had to log in with PVX-Ikimono-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Go ask Angela if you can have it renamed, or see if Phen can fix it. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, after that it seems that both of those names were simply deleted. Tried logging into PVX-Ikimono and Ikimono and couldnt with either.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 21:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sup mate? ^^ im new to this pvx wiki stuff Masses^ 22:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. What events u do? Masses^ 10:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Online but not "online"
Or some thing like that :P I have put you in my friends list now but it can be a problem or two. 1# I have to much to do right now in gw, trying to maxe kurz now, max nf vq nexed week (or start on it anyways :P. and when that is done there is 2# all my money right now goes to maxing sweet and pary so i have no money to spend on builds/armor to my paragon (i wish my main was the para but it's my monk, will play more para after god walking though) But it may be some time overer somewhere, so if your in and i don't see it, my ign is orgeron godwhisper --Orgeron 05:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

HELLO
I challenge you to a PARAWAY contest of some sort. Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:59, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Erm...ok.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 18:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm ok with this, i'll just have to call my guild together if you're wanting to do some sort of in game challenge. a lot of my guildmates have started lineage 2 characters and are "stuck" in that.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 18:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what sort of paraway contest. Really. Rawrawr Dinosaur 20:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1v1 Paragons are the best. --☭Guild *talk* 21:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Noone has beaten me at 1v1 paragon ever, except smurf, but he cheats imo. 1v1 isnt para-way though. Rawrawr Dinosaur 21:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LIAR. I BEAT YOUR ZB PAMMO WITH MY HH PAMMO. [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 21:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1v1 is retarded in pretty much aspect in a game that is based around specific builds designed to counter other builds.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Rawr is good as sarcasm no? --Shazzy diddles 23:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't the internet where sarcasm cannot be conferred perfectly, i would say yes?-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sarcastic. I have screens of 1v1ing readem and unexist etc. 1v1 paragon is ultimate form of skill. And you have never beaten me tab im too good. Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I sense that someone has an e-peen to flex... and a major problem with paraway too... :P Anwyn 07:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

friendly reminder
That PvX inno doesn't mean original, it means meta. --Shazzy diddles 23:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That seems counter productive...and against everything that the word innovation means.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Being the number one reason that Tab removes countless votes from PvX newbies who misvote on inno. Although considering that you PvE para a good portion of the time, you might not have seen that come up as much in your most-visited part of PvX. --Shazzy diddles 02:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I PvP Monk, Sin, and War the most. In PvE I play Monk, Scythe Sin, Paragon. I just know know how ridiculously easy it is to paraway 99/100 of the game. constant damage, healing, buffing; with no effort.-- Ikimono Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Innovation isn't weighted anymore, nobody cares about it. --71.229 02:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 99/100 of the game better not be including pvp? Considering paraway is for shitters and is ezbeat now. Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:17, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The overwhelming percentage of theorycrafters on here are counter-productive to innovation. Innovative builds can be very effective, but tend not to be PvX happy.--Α--йĨйƏҒỉйGƏЯş--Ω 15:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
Didn't realise you were on a different account now... So yeah, add me in game and lets have a go at paraway... I got 2 other guildies who are very keen on it and wanna try some higher end areas with it... ;) Lady Anwyn = IGN Anwyn 07:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ok, i'll try and get my friends back onto Guild Wars so we can do something. -- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 08:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet man, we're prolly on tonight and will prolly have another go at it... altho, the last FoW we did was like 4 hours in NM... hehehe, we still need to work on the build and team make up... :) Anwyn 10:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * About Spartaway, why is it only the imbas have IAS? P.S. I'll be online in a few hours... :) What's your IGN? Anwyn 13:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

You Suck
Seriously. I was trying to say I was up for some paragon shit on the off chance my paragon was far enough/had the skills. Btw, name is making fun of a guildy who has "feed" instead of "eat".  Life  03:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have another friend in guild wars who goes by Life so it's hard for me to know who is who. Sorry for not knowing.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch, what'd he do to warrant an immediate ignore?  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 04:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * oh shit O.O i'm sorry, thought i put you on my friends list! fuck man...i'm so sorry-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasnt looking when i removed a guy from my list near the bottom and put your name in the ignore one by accident-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Waddaya Think
of this [] I was messing around and wanted to try out somthing different, I took this build on HM and Vanquished Plains of Jarin, it held out against everything, even the spiders... :) Oh, I put remove hex on cos of the ibogas... Anwyn 12:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine for the starter areas.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 13:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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What do you think of this idea? perhaps something we can try tonight? Will you be on... Anwyn 10:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll be on for at least an hour or two since you asked. At about 1AM GMT (9pm eastern US)-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 18:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What timezone you on? GMT wise? Anwyn 08:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Eastern time is 4 hours behind. 1am = 9pm. Today I'm getting back at 9PM GMT, 5PM Eastern.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 08:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Why you are an absolute shitter
Ice prison is not a bad snare. We are talking about DoA, please do not be confused with general HM PvE; cryers always get spiked first when aggro breaks because the monks aren't in range of the perma, except maybe for stygian. Even so, the monks should always be behind the cryers. Extend Conditions is bad. K, that made me facepalm. Perhaps on a caster backline this would work. Wonder who doesn't run a caster backline in HA. Wow, can you get any worse at theorycrafting?
 * 1) http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=Build_talk%3ATeam_-_GvG_Dual_Mind_Blast_Split&diff=890059&oldid=890014
 * 1) http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Pika_Fan/HB_Healer_PvE&diff=prev&oldid=889995
 * 1) http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=Build_talk:E/Me_Neutralizer&diff=prev&oldid=889343
 * 1) http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=Build_talk:Mo/any_WoH_Arena_Monk&diff=prev&oldid=886695
 * 2) http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=Build_talk%3AE%2FW_%22You%27re_All_Stoned!%22&diff=884425&oldid=876471
 * 3) http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=Build_talk%3AE%2FW_%22You%27re_All_Stoned!%22&diff=876259&oldid=876253
 * 1) http://pvx.wikia.com/index.php?title=Build_talk%3AMo%2FMe_HA_PnH_Prot&diff=882968&oldid=882966
 * 1) http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:N/Mo_Retribution_Necro

Tip of the iceberg, really.


 * 1) Ice prison is a bad snare. *fixed*


 * 1) Whoops clarification not included in the build.


 * 1) Extend Conditions kicks ass when it does what you're wanting to do better.


 * 1) Squirpion Wire can be one of the best kiting devices possible in RA. Drop it on a monk, run away from the melee guy who is chasing after you and you pop back to the monk and have assisted your melee.


 * Yea, if you cant tell that's sarcasm then you're retarded.


 * 1) Wow...you are retarded for thinking ranged KD spam is bad.


 * 1) Build was proposed originally for a 3 monk backline you fucking nut job.


 * 1) Was drunk and tired of playing against hexes in HA.

Honestly everything you've put here is either trollbait that you fell for or you being utterly retarded.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon 03:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't use sarcasm as an excuse for what clearly are serious comments. You use sarcasm to prove a point; there was no appropriate context to use it tbh. That aside
 * I stated clearly on my build that it was for DoA. You didn't read, simply because you were retarded.
 * Return is better than scorpion wire.
 * Extend Conditions is a bad gimmick, that's all it is.
 * KD spams doesn't do any bit of pressure; only strategic knockdowns pressure.
 * So? A 3 monk backline is still a caster backline, unless I am mistaken, which I am not.
 * Stop being terrible. All retards are troll baits anyway, look at xtreme1ne, mizzouman and company, hence argument is invalid.152.226.7.204 04:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, you're right didnt even see the build description from how small it was. Still pretty sure that's what 100% of what all groups use, basing it solely on Cryway should not be done.
 * i'm gonna place my hand on the front of my nose and wonder if you have ever monked before. It's obvious that you would use return with scorpion wire for more jolting around the map.
 * Gimmicks work, that's why they're gimmicks.
 * You just contradicted yourself by saying pressure isn't pressure.
 * lingo of those days: Caster Backline = Standard HA HB/RC Backline. Much quicker to say Caster Backline.
 * Stop being an anon, it's obvious you're new here. Unless you aren't in which case stop being a pussy.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Ikimono, you're dumb, have a nice day. [[image:Thunda_Sig_2.jpg‎ |19px]]<font color="Orange" face="Harrington" size="3">Thunda 04:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Ikimono, you're dumb, have a nice day.152.226.7.204 05:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty damn sure thats Danny, but I cba to check my IPs.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 04:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There are still HB monks run in DoA. Also, I didn't use small tags, it should be big enough. Or are you blind too?
 * Nope, people run much more DEscape + Return and Shield Bash + Balanced Stance. I have never seen a single monk run scorpion wire.
 * There are good gimmicks and bad gimmicks. Extend Conditions is a bad gimmick. It simply doesn't work.
 * I did not. You can run pressure, but it may not pressure. Just like LC is a pressure skill, but used wrongly it doesn't cause pressure. Learn hao2english.
 * It's not. HA lingo is triple monk, dual monk and Ether Prism backline. "Caster backline" is not used, and it is an oxymoron. Don't worry, though, you are a moron yourself.
 * I said somewhere before I can't login in school. Obviously, you are too stupid to check. Watch out, though, blind, lazy and stupid people get darwin awards sooner or later.
 * @Life It's Pika, if anyone who would so kindly lift a finger and access the talkpage on this IP. Scratch that, the talkpage got wiped by someone. My point still stands, it only takes 3 seconds to Whois me.152.226.7.204 04:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Clicking on an IP leads to contribs, and the talk page link is red. I couldve sworn you were 220...w/e. As for WHOIS, navigating is a pain in the ass on an itouch.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 04:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * PNH Build came out right after update you dumb cunt. HB/RC was still the norm.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 05:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I really hate to ask, but did you have someone teaching you how to exercise your grey matter? Caster backline still meant a backline made up of casters, when all backlines are made up of casters of some form anyway. HB/RC was the norm lingo back then, so be less dumb.152.226.7.204 05:28, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * lol Iki, this IP dude went thru alot of trouble to attack you, hehehe... what a tool... I've played with Iki many times, and one thing he can do VERY WELL is MONK!!! Takes quiet a bit of effort to make a "why you are a shitter" post like this, so big ups to the IP dude, you really rocks your sockzorznessness... hahaha... IKI FTW!!!Anwyn 07:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it isn't a lot of trouble, because all these are done in my free time. Also, considering you are a person who thinks defy pain warriors in AB are good.....hmm...are you his butt buddy? As they say, birds of a feather flock together; fools don't differ.152.226.7.204 07:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I like this section, thus;

Ok, ofcourse a WoR Rt gives more support then a smiter in RaOway, brilliant!



zero damage, gogo

More to come! Brandnew 07:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, my name is Anwyn. I am in love with ikimono because he is equally as terrible as me. I defend Iki and myself from people telling the truth about us because I <3 him so much. I also like to make bad puns with overused cliches, because I think it's sooooo cool and befitting a retarded person like myself.152.226.7.204 07:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * lol IP, you're too funny... Clearly you've never played the defy pain tank in AB, if you had, you'd see how esy it is to coax 3-4 enemy players into trying to kill you whilst the rest of your team caps... Anyway, I'll agree to dissagree with you on that one... I imagine you're one of these elitists that plays 1 and only 1 "best" build for each char you have... You probably bored of the game now and troll wiki to pass the time! Maybe you should try a few new things in GW, it might help your mood and elitist attitude a bit... hmmm... Anwyn 09:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * moo Brandnew 09:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't tell which of those 2 is the JQ idiot? They both seem a little off their heads to me... lol Anwyn 09:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Obviously Using RAO on recharge produces less damage by lowering damage output compared to the +5 damage that Lifestealing causes.
 * WoR "Can" produce more damage in the current blocking meta "if" where 80%-90% of your damage is coming from a dual frontline when you're using MR/WoH, Or PNH backline Where your hexes get shit kicked. It is clear that immovability and versatility in your eyes isn't as good as "C+Spacebar Oh shit he blocked me, there goes 45 DPS."
 * WaM is only used in HA and PvE Monsters.
 * Btw, i won a bet by (apparently pika, the furry fuck) the annon saying the genaric "Hey, these guys have game experiance together; gonna make a butt buddy *BADUM TISH! GONNA GET SOME LOLS FOR THIS ONE!!!!* joke." go back to /b/. Oh Wait, it's down, that's why you have all this free time. Makes sense now. Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 13:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice, you bet with your fiance <3, but we don't really care, so keep all sex to the bedroom. =) Also, learn how to warrior. It's called target switching^^. Also, I don't really go 4chan, so thanks for telling me it is down, certainly very informative as to who really frequents that site. Don't be sad about me pointing out your relationship; it is pretty obvious anyway.220.255.7.226 19:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww how cute, you're default defense mechanism is to call people homosexual. But if you want to put my money where your mouth is, that can be arranged, it's been a while since i've bought a whore.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't really care if you are homosexual or not, but I do care if your default defense mechanism is to spout all sorts of ill-informed comments all over the wiki. Things like whatever that I have so kindly put in a list. Now, you might wonder why I am so uptight about this, and that's because my friends use the wiki, and I hate to see shitters make up all sorts of misinformation. I have lots of money, don't worry about it. I am just very miserly with my fortune. Also, it's fine, you don't have to go all the extent to pimp yourself after I repeatedly exposed your illicit sex relationship. If you want to stop me from doing that, all you need to do is to continue pming me and amuse me with your incoherent language. Have a nice day! BTW, it is a good strategy to pm me in-game, because most people find me much nicer when spoken face-to-face, or as close to it as internets allow. Maybe because I have an alter-ego, or maybe not. You never know =).220.255.7.209 04:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I did talk to you in game today for starters and you ignored me for a good hour of me PMing you. What's this about "spout all sorts of ill-informed comments all over the wiki" I'm pretty sure you Pika  started heaping that down my throat by calling me a homosexual after a guy actually backed me up, and have continued to do that as you just did in your last comment.
 * Now as you FUCKING eloquently put it "Butt Buddy" as a reference to anyone who has had previous in game experience with any one, well i guess by your statement "my (butt buddies)friends use the wiki" i guess that makes you the supreme whore god of PVX wiki.
 * My final word is I did PM you for a LONG period of time this day 5/6/09, while you were on, to discuss why you have ignored the PVX:NPA guide several times as well as continually went out of your way to harass this page and waste my time as well. I actually think through the posts i put up and revise them time again, Albeit sarcasm (which i try and refrain from in an actual conversation because it cannot be translated in text.) or an actual rounded idea to help people or to compose something that can be understood effectively by a multitude of parties. (unless you cant speak English Nativity, which your last post seems to imply; you did not read it at all.) You do have an alter-ego, it's called cowardliness. Where you are not willing to face a person alone in open chat rather than have a resource where you can make shrewed comments and have your (butt buddies) friends assist you.
 * Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Now, how about a ventrilo session.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 04:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Ikimono. I have school to attend. If you can't be patient enough to wait until I get back from school, please don't bother to pm me. Thanks, because your little childish rant only shows you are not willing to talk things out. Come back when you decide to actually reason with me. I am always ready to respond on my talkpage or in game if I don't have srs bsns to do.152.226.6.203 07:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually am willing to sit and go through this. I PMed you for a good 4 hours 12:30pm-4:30pm Eastern, and then 5 hours later for another Hour 9:30pm~ to about 11pm. Why do you leave GW running/your comp running when you're gone all day to school? It's quite confusing. At any rate, everyone at this point has entered a state of douche-baggery; nothing good or neutral can come out of any of this.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think I need to answer to you as to whether I should leave gws on, much less my personal life. You did not pm me for a "4 good hours" because I did come back once before rushing off to school and saw only 2 pms, by which you already logged out. Then I went to school, during a 15 minute break and lo and behold! You were practically screaming, or as much as the internet allows, about how "cowardly" I am refusing to reply to you. My dear ikimono, I know you can't fathom the idea of people actually having a LIFE out of GW, but please, at least try. [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]]<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">uɐɟ <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">ɐʞıd  <font color="#FF0033">o <font color="#000000">^_^ <font color="#FF0033">o  <font color="#996600">¸ <font color="#FFCC00">« <font color="#FFCC00">` 21:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * At this point I don't care. Just leaving a program running without an "away" marker at least is confusing. I can perfectly understand if you're leaving your comp on for a multitude of reasons, just not a game. Only reason being it makes people have the: "Oh hey, he's on, lets see if he wants to do something." (few minutes later) "why isn't he saying anything...?" (little bit later) "...he must be going to the bathroom." (after that) "...ok, wtf." I wasn't "screaming" just eager. Screaming on the internet requires Cruse Control. At any rate, this "chunk" has gone nowhere but people calling each other retarded. Moving on..-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 23:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * At this point I don't care. Just leaving a program running without an "away" marker at least is confusing. I can perfectly understand if you're leaving your comp on for a multitude of reasons, just not a game. Only reason being it makes people have the: "Oh hey, he's on, lets see if he wants to do something." (few minutes later) "why isn't he saying anything...?" (little bit later) "...he must be going to the bathroom." (after that) "...ok, wtf." I wasn't "screaming" just eager. Screaming on the internet requires Cruse Control. At any rate, this "chunk" has gone nowhere but people calling each other retarded. Moving on..-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 23:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Stop clogging the RC with shit no one cares about
 * 2) All of you are complete shitters
 * 3) Lists are for shitters
 * Oh, shit. By my own logic, I'm a shitter :/

See? I can make lists too. Now, stfu. <font face="Arial" color="gray">19:34, 6 May 2009
 * danka.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * KJ, I was never sure about you, but that statement, turned it all around... Nice one buddy... hahaha!!! shitters ftw! Anwyn 21:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A cookie goes to the first person who gets the right number of "shits" in that comment. [[Image:KJ needed a new sig....sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray">22:37, 6 May 2009
 * 5?--Kammorremae 22:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 22:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Xtreme get out of here, you've had the biggest fail streak of anyone here. 0 would be the correct answer.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 23:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No only one shit is here....U[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 10:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, your fail streak far exceeds Xtreme´s because yours is Special:EditCount/Ikimono long

You're all shitters end discussion. <font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 12:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I was setting up KJ but he didn't take the bait....got another fish instead. It was only a friendly rub anyway.[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 13:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Back to IP
This is rawr and I actually broke my ban to lol at calling ice prison a bad snare. Explain how it is bad :\ 86.163.68.67 15:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 2 second cast: intteruptable, 30 second recharge - long. Ends if someone on your team accidentally hits them with fire damage (unlikely but still possible). PNH is now meta, with only 1 hex in your whole team build, that's very very easy for the other team to remove.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * God damn it i keep forgetting e/rt runners carry pnh. 86.163.68.67 17:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting that your E/Rt wouldn't be chasing the other E/Rt all the way into the enemy base to be able to apply the hex to snare them where the PnH monk wont be. You will never see a runner try and get a flag to the shrine while the other team is destroying their base, because they would die if they tried/get snared and be useless. Unless you're on the Isle of Meditation where there are 2 flag stands (or other maps like that). So yea, if the other team's flag runnier is not where they're supposed to be, or suicidal, then ice prison is fine for a snare.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ikimono, snares are not just for the flag runner. Ice Prison completely rapes a split character (without hex removal) such as rangers (or a general offensive split). Having the ability to slow somebody down for near 15 seconds(ish) with one spell is amazing, then you can call all your damage onto the target you have basically just condemned to death. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 17:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but as of lately i've seen a lot more 4-4 splits where hex removal is available (at least cure or holy veil). Again, if your team has at least a few hexes then that's going to be a massive pain to deal with, but with only 1 hex in your team (with hex removal present) it's just a mild inconvenience. Also (i'm convinced) your split team would include at least 1 of the MB eles, so calling a spike on the snared guy would remove the snare, or the spike would be much weaker without the assistance of the MB. At any rate, it's all situational so me saying it's a bad snare is wrong. It's just conditional to be a strong one.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't played a 4-4 split in months. Both flaggers run to stand to cap flag -> theyre ahead on flags ->they cap, you cap, you ice prison them, you're suddenly equal on flags! 86.163.68.67 18:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Or, have the MB ele not attack the snared person and let a warrior beat away on it. I really can't see how you think a 15 second 66% reduces speed hex is bad lol. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 18:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Especially in a meta where nobody splits and if they do they bring 0 hex remove... 86.163.68.67 18:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Page requires archiving D:> Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 18:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, split is terrible so 4/4 split is terrible, splitting doesn't win in this meta really (apart from occasionally with balanced or something against a bad team who is quite good 8v8 but doesn't know how to split). Ice Prison is good for things like after time kills, snaring people who split for some reason, and pushing through their team to snare their flagger for a boost, or on maps where the main team sometimes doesn't fight at stand you can just snare flagger. Freezing Gust is also acceptable though, and is in some cases better cos it's easily reappliable. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  18:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * gah, been trying to reply for like 5 times now...It's all situational with how the other team plays. But like Crow said; FG can be better because it's reappliable if removed.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 18:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Situational with how 100% of teams play : < 86.163.68.67 18:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * shrug* buildwars.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 23:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Para-what?
None of my guildies run paragons, and I'd like mine to see more action. Drop me a line in game to show me a thing or two?--Kammorremae 12:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm game... always game for paraway!!! If I'm online, then hit me up and I will join!!! Anwyn 13:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * <thumbs_up> ok guys. </thumbs_up>-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 13:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * im in for paraway too Playing Is Srs Bsns   talk  14:54, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Playing ^^ is in my guild Iki, you should add him to your friends list IGN Omg Finland Omg, he helped out with the FoW testing on your team build... ;)Anwyn 07:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Art Yo
Found your D-art page. Some neat stuff.--Kammorremae 18:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Sig-test-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear"  07:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

2 Man Paraway Idea
Check out my userpage and check the build there, tell me what you think? I'm not so sure about the Rt tho. I wanted high damage splinters, but am worried it will put other weapon spells over it. I was also thinking about an Ether Prism/ Splinter Ele with wards... Dunno, I wanna get onto GW (in about 3 hours) to test out... What do you think tho?Anwyn 08:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The Rit'll be fine I bet. It and the Dervish are the only targets most likely (unless you get SY up before aggroing ;o ), and the Paras heal a lot with Chants et all. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  10:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I know. I meant that the Orders bar and the Weapon Spell rit could be compiled into a N/Rt With Order of The Vampire, splinter Weapon, etc. Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "I'm not so sure about the Rt tho. I wanted high damage splinters, but am worried it will put other weapon spells over it." sends a completely different message tbh. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  10:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Viper got it, but I put that on the builds talk page... I want a high damage splinter, and a high specced orders... That's why i Figured go Nec and Rt... You could compress the two, for better nrg management. But what about the 8th slot then?Anwyn 07:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, Check out the build again and tell me what you think of the Prism Splinter I added... ;)Anwyn 08:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

uhm
really bad idea, OoS is fine as it is <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  18:04, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Compare it to Ether Prism which has a 10 second recharge, spike prevention, gives more energy...OoS is bad compared. That is why rits aren hardly used for their primaries at all.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 19:04, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You see a few in HA, also, Ether Prism can't be effected by 40/40 and also EP has a 15 second recharge. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 19:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * what frosty said <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  19:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * note that prof/attribute matters aswell, OoS gives instant energy while u have to wait 3 seconds with EP <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  19:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And Channeling ownz [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 19:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * +1 <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  19:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * but the question asks, why would you use it if you could have insta-prot + Energy gain, have channeling magic, and enough resoration magic as is needed. E/Rt 10cm/12em/8rm-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 19:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * then u have fail attributes <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  19:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ffs, meant 12cm/10es/8rm-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 19:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * with Rt/any u can have a second prof utility, +runes for chan/resto <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  19:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[build prof=E/Rt EnergyS=10+1+1 ChannelingM=12 RestorationM=8][Ancestors' Rage][Splinter Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Weapon of Warding][Protective was Kaolai][Ether Prism][Aura of Restoration][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]

[build prof=Rt/any RestorationM=12+1 ChannelingM=12+1+1][Ancestors' Rage][Splinter Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Weapon of Warding][Protective was Kaolai][Offering of Spirit][Bloodsong][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]


 * E/Rt gets a ton more energy, Rt has more damage and bigger heals and is dependent on it's spirit to stay alive or it looses 100~hp. So i do guess it's down to aesthetic. (PvX's Ether Prism is at 10 sec recharge)-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 19:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * mend body for whatever. Probably channeled strike.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 19:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1st: very bad bars, 2nd: there are still some skill issues on the database, 3rd: very bad use of the skills (arage and splinter are bad to take in PvP)

[build prof=E/Rt EnergyS=12+1+1RestorationM=12][Life][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Weapon of Warding][Protective was Kaolai][Ether Prism][Aura of Restoration][Energy Blast][/build]
 * E/Rt only fits as support bar with Energy Blast as spike assist (with the exception of E/Rt backline in IWAY).

[build prof=Rt/any RestorationM=12+1 ChannelingM=12+1+1 SpawningPower=3][Channeled Strike][Weapon of Warding][Protective was Kaolai][Offering of Spirit][Life][Optional][Optional][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
 * Rt/any is able to take other utilitys as convert hexes, another spirit, grasping, foes, make haste, soc and more with Channeled Strike as spike assist (note that weapon spells and heals are increased) <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  19:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * out of ass bar pulling. and yea what i said above.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 19:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For their energy cost Arage and Splinter still (can) produce great damage.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 19:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * arage takes too long to do its dmg (it was used before), and many skills are more worthy to take then splinter nowadays <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  20:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

So i'm pissed.
Guild Wars randomly deleted my assassin who i had spent near 1000~ hours on after i deleted a PvP character. I really want that character back and cant bring myself to make another...I cant even play right now I'm so frustrated.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear"  03:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody cares 67.159.57.76 04:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sins own, u shut ur mouth! lol. but seriously, they do.<font face="Lucida Handwriting" color="red">~Flesh Atrophy~ "I R MudKipZ" [[Image:own'd.jpg| 18px]] 04:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww, that sucks Iki. Use some of that paraway money and get run through everything by guru folks :P.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 04:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I had some good shit on him too...gonna miss being a A/D scythe sin for a while. And farming raptors.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 23:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno what i would do if my sin got deleted. I pretty much only play my sin nowadays.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 23:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Faster Stygian para build
Use Raven Blessing for damage, it's second skill does around 140 damage with a 4 sec recharge(I'm r10 norn and r8 LB, but still, it's faster) It's awsome, works for any class.would put it on pvx as a new build, nt sure how/where to make it. Bad soles 15:57, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, I've used that before. It would be like this, i just havent bothered to tack it up there. I still say we should have a page for builds that farm the same thing in a similar way. It would look something like:

[build prof=Primary/Secondary ][Raven Blessing][Cant Touch This][Fall Back][Serpent's Quickness][optional][optional][optional][optional][/build] -- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear"  18:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Why serpents? and two other things you can bring to speed it up, you can put points in Wilderness for a run stance, which also serves to allow you to bring QZ(speeds up attacks=more damage) and NR(makes em channel their dark aura longer in HM, so agroing is easier and less luck based.) Bad soles 17:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * point taken, blessings remove stances dont they..-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

WoW
So... You play it? I tried it out at a mates place, figured I'd give it a go... Installing as I type... ;) Anwyn 17:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This will be the last enrty for Anwyn for he is about to venture into a world of "waste of time". Not saying it is a bad game....just eat time like it is going out of style....lol and you Pay for it each month[[Image:Xtreme Hunter.png]] 17:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont play wow. did the trial with a bunch of friends and hated it.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Only thing it has over guild wars is jump; OH NO <font face="Lucida Handwriting" color="red">~Flesh Atrophy~ "I R MudKipZ" [[Image:own'd.jpg| 18px]] 01:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That, and a breath of fresh air! I tried it once too, but didn't give it a good chance, I was still way too intereted in GW. I need a breather before GW2, so I figured I'd mess around with a mate in WoW for a while. The games are completely different, different play styles, different objectives, different vibes. You can't really compare them... Anwyn 10:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You certainly CAN compare them, it just won't do you much good. In the end, two things stand out in favor of GW over WoW:
 * More balanced PvP.
 * My warrior isn't forced to mine like a grunt.
 * I'm a Warrior, not a tradesman. I spend my time killing, not knitting, forging, or crafting.  --Kammorremae 11:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's too many go to point A on one side of the map, take object to point B on the other side of the map. When you're done with that 45 minutes later, come talk to me again to get your reward, 45 minutes later. The travel distances are far too long for me. I know it's supposed to be a world, but i've been terribly spoiled by GW's Map travel system.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 11:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mind travel that much, it makes for more chances to gank enemies players. The most fun I've ever had in PvP was WoW, I enjoyed raiding low to mid-level towns, drawing out players to fight with, picknig off those that I could while avoiding the mob.  And with a Warrior, no less.  I hope to have a chance to do similar things in GW2, as far as that is concerned.--Kammorremae 11:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, map traveling is nice, but as I said, WoW is a totally different thing. You mentioned the world, that's what the thing is, enjoy the world, enjoy the "realism" so to speak. It's just different and I need a change of scenery for a while... ;)Anwyn 07:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * tbh, CoH is better than WoW.--Kammorremae 13:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Two different game genres... Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What is CoH? Anyway, I got a hunter to lvl 11, and wow the game suddenly evolved now that I have my pet.. :) My pet goes out to attack and keeps all the agro while Ii spam bow attacks, if I suddenly get agro, my pet uses skills to get the agroo back... It's totally wicked...  :)Anwyn 06:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * company of heros.-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I SUMMON IKIMONO, MASTER OF PARAGONS
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/W_Imbasin--<FONT COLOR="#347235">| Hipowi  pew pew pew </FONT> 22:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Da commerat-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 06:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey man, thanks for helping me out on the Imbasin, but I honestly don't think a 5 rating is exactly in line. Honestly, it's more of a "Good" build, and I'm cool with that. If you wouldn't mind editting your vote so it more accurately reflects the build, that way it has less chance of being removed, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. -- Jai Goes <font color="Purple">Monksassin Monksassin-icon.png 04:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * True. I was trying to give it a curtsy vote. It was more of a 4-3-- Ikimono "a rabid grizzly bear" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 05:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You're on my monks, rupting all their shit.
that's not true, it's stupidly easy to time between atacks. ofc, Warmonger's means no more guardian - which is nice -but seriously, that's what you've got gwen for. Brandnew 08:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. You can easily use Peace and harmony as your healing skill, But warmongers keeps any caster from getting in any 1 second casts, and often any 3/4 second casts which includes WoH. VS eles, necros, ritualists, sometimes mesmers, warmongers often does a great deal of interrupting. Especially if the person you put it on has IAS.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 08:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

So...
How's you dude? How's GW treating you? WoW's treating me awesomely... :D Miss my GW friends, not the game tho...Anwyn 08:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gw has been good, it keeps it's shirt tucked in, goes to sleep early, and always finishes it's veggies. I really would like to start doing organized HA again though. after subsiquent updates, all but like 4 regulars have almost completely stopped playing. and the non-regulars I have no idea if they are "good-mediocre-FrenzyHealsig" in PvP...-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 11:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

the build pumps fucktons of damage, backline and frontline don't exist in HA, and it has as much utility as SH. ;o ··· 07:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You Should
Vote on, you said it has potential :D.209.136.71.235 00:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We know it works awesome I guess XD.209.136.71.235 22:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It works, but it only got a 5-5 from me because of the "whoops I made a bo-bo" reset button.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 22:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

/wave
you, my good sir, are either a very busy gws-er or are very, very afk because whenever i pm you you do not respond. :< this makes me very sad. ··· 17:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, i get concentrated monking and i forget to look at the chat. I'll keep a look out when i'm on next. If i'm monking just spam me like the dickens. make me have a full wall of text to have to look at until i respond.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * i can do that. :> ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 21:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

mistake
i updated it to the name stacker, cuz i don't know another apropriate name &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sengi cutthroat (talk &bull; contribs) 16:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC).

Dear mr pro para
It's all good saying every PvE paragon build is inferior to imbagon. However, as a result we have 1 - yes 1 - general paragon builds. Albeit good, imba is possibly one of the most boring and pointless builds people could play in 'general' NM PvE, so I would appreciate it if you didn't just discard every other build and would rather you use your pro para skillz to improve them, so we actually have some variety on PvX. <font color="Maroon">Athrun <font color="Grey">Feya 13:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The best thing a paragon can do is spam SY's 100 armor buff to provide unparalleled support; Becuase it is a midline position that has self adrenaline buffs, it can effect the largest amount of party members possible. The only reason why a solo paragon shouldn't do that is if they do not own the factions game or if their team already has 2 people using SY to make up for the paragon not having it.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Putting a comment in context is also nice.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I'd like to see more general paragon builds too. Go para man, gooooooo! [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:11, 3 August 2009
 * Fair enough.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What else is a paragon gonna do? Rangers spam spear attacks better, warriors get flail - the only things paragons are good for are chants and shouts, but then you better only be bringing one healer or you won't have enough offense. =/ ··· [[File:Dannyمخم.jpg]] [[File:Poweredbydramaعحس.jpg]] 15:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a few other shouts that work well, but a good deal of them are situational to specific areas, or your team's structure.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * running around in circles whilst having pretty skirts :> Brandnew 15:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell that to the Romans. (and the Scottish)-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Pants weren't really around at all until the 15th century, tbh. ··· [[File:Dannyمخم.jpg]] [[File:Poweredbydramaعحس.jpg]] 15:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, think of it this way: if someone is going through the campaigns or doing a NM EotN book on their primary paragon, they come to PvX and look what builds they could take. Now, I'll stress I have absolutely no problem Imbagons themself but, realistically, spamming SY in NM as close to a waste of time as you can get. I'm asking if you can makes suggestions, or improve some suggestions for the alternatives in these kind of sitations, instead of just shooting them down. If specific things work well with others, write that down, if it works well in specific places, make a note of that too. <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  15:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I recall that even in NM people bring 2 healers. Just bring one healer less and still use SY? -- -Ch  ao  s-   16:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just bring the orders dervish and a team full of physicals. You'll have enough healing with that alone and you can just pew pew shit quickly and effectively. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 17:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Or grab a scythe with AoHM and Zealous Sweep. I used that on my Para a couple of times. The damage isn't that great (Mark of Fury spam so you can use SaMS on every attack is fun, though), but oh well. --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  16:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hurry, claim it's a joke before you get flamed. Best "joke" ever is my Magehunter Strike thumper. It raped. -- -Ch  ao  s-   16:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

what
None of that on your page is techno? Why add it? o_o Reunion 21:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Woot, Eurometal listeners are a rare breed here. The 2nd and 3rd have the same link, fix it. Surprised to find anything Finnish in there. -- -Ch  ao  s-   21:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Porot can play music? ... wat. <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  21:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm prolly like the only guy on PvX to understand that :DDDDDDDDDDD and it's an awful joke -- -Ch  ao  s-   21:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah but it's so true. <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  22:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't deny. Which part of it stole your heart? Bands? And do you only listen to the ones sung in English? -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't listen to any at all, if thats what youre asking :p vihaiset porot music isnt for me <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  22:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I finally realized the other way to understand that.. And tbh most metal ever made is utter crap. --  -Ch  ao  s-   22:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The last has some electronic in it. -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Finns are awesome at melodeath. <3  Ironboot  × 22:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Old Amorphis (Y) -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Scar Symmetry is amazing (Trapezoid). <3 --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  22:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.last.fm/user/WinterV2/library but that doesn't really tell anything, since most listening happens(d) on my mp3 -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * or you could listen to music that isn't utter crap. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 22:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Utter crap is listening to what people tell you to. You can't say bad musicians are behind stuff like Meshuggah or Ephel Duath.. and you prolly haven't heard a single song from any of those :o also, what worth does music have if I don't listen to what I feel for? -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As in listening to music that's produced just for the $£€'s -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You are such a rebel! -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  22:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmhm. All day and night until a pair of pwetty boobs hypnotizes me into another opinion. -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5144-MQV0bU

-- -Ch  ao  s-   22:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Any music genre that involves the terms "death", "thrash", or anything else that fat, "rebellious" goth kids like to talk about is bad. No exceptions. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 22:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm thin as hell, and there is almost no decent death/thrash metal. I wouldn't label myself as a goth (I look like a frickin' jazz-musician), rebellious and anarchistic works. -- -Ch  ao  s-   22:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, if you want to listen to music that isn't produced for money, go listen to ravecore. It's probably the only genre that's never been marketed prominently, only because no one's going to pay for something that a dozen other DJs will gladly give out after a show. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 23:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Anarchy," "rebel," and all related terms is simply code for "I'm an over-angsty teenager who hasn't spent enough time researching what I say I'm against to actually have a valid opinion on anything." I used to be there. Everyone goes through that stage at some point. ;o ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 23:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * < emo in the mid. Horrible pic. Also, you're pretty much right, yeah. -- -Ch  ao  s-   23:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's broken. People here need to seriously listen to cuter music <font color="Maroon">Athrun [[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]]<font color="Grey">Feya  23:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Works for me =/ could aswell upload it. -- -Ch  ao  s-   23:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed. -- -Ch  ao  s-   23:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

How to kill conversations, pt. 1: Shatter their illusions :o -- -Ch  ao  s-   23:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Music für alles! Anyway, why oh why would you use the Heaven Shall Burn cover of Black Tears? The original by Edge of Sanity is just win. Still they do a good job, but HSB have better songs they've made themselves. <font color="Fuchsia">Kurtan 23:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * His voice permanently damaged my eardrums =/ -- -Ch  ao  s-   23:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I hear about music via word of mouth. I'll go look up the original right now.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 01:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * huh? Well that's different. Ye, i like techno...just didn't bother putting some up, but since there's such an outcry >.> -- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For those of you who want to listen to manly techno. Another note; Where do people get that loving the sound of great guitar mixed with prime vocals entwined with bellows makes you goth/emo? I'm pretty much on the far side of gamer geek who likes metal... -- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hoooooly shit <8O lotta shit to read suddenly-- Ikimono "My beard is thick."  00:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"Also, if you want to listen to music that isn't produced for money, go listen to ravecore. It's probably the only genre that's never been marketed prominently,..." ~Danny.<Br /> I personally have never seen any promotion for Metal nor Progressive Rock (ever heard of iQ, Ayreon, Star One, Camel, Frost*?). --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  03:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the only -band- i've actually seen advertised was DethKlock. Rap and "love singles" can pissoff.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 03:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Iron Maiden and Metallica ads are everywhere when they're gonna perform in Finland.... Meh. Sometimes it feels like most metal from the US is just emo's doing something they think they do good.
 * How to compose an "alter" metal song: 1: Use the same riffs all the time. 2: Scream/growl the verse and when the chorus comes you yell harsh or sing clean with a sudden melody. Then repeat. Example:


 * With horrible sound quality. -- -Ch  ao  s-   11:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You see, I get the skill required to play a guitar for these songs, as well as drum for these songs, it's real talent, but why would you ruin that by growling lyrics? Thats like making a beautiful meal and taking a dump on it, you can say you put all this hard effort into making it but you still shat all over it. You wouldn't walk away from that kind of meal saying, most of it was nice, but unfortunately there was a shit on top, you would say, that was terrible there was a piece of shit on my dinner. When I hear a song like that, I think, that's terrible because of the horrible voice I hear. (Not a great comparison but you get my drift). -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  12:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, i'm gonna agree with frosty. The guitar and drums are really solid in this song as well as the broken up parts where the guy is actually singing. But they need to get a different guy to do the growls, he has no tonal change while he is doing it and it becomes a monotone shitfest.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 12:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally I find him boring however he sings. I used to love the choruses in Trivium but it got dull really fast. Nowadays most american music makes me really annoyed because it's often all the same.


 * Mikael Åkerfeldt is known for his orthodox growling style, and tbh, I just can't get enough of it. The sound quality could be better but I settle for this. Listen to until when he sings clean and try to tell me it's the same as American metal. But eww frickin' sound quality. -- -Ch  ao  s-   12:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Dan Swanö reminds me a bit of Mikael, I still prefer Swanös vocals to Mikaels though. I also prefer them both to almost every American metal singer that exist. It does depends a bit on the music though as I just can't see Mikael or Swanö singing on Metallica songs, it would just sound.. weird. <font color="Fuchsia">Kurtan 13:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that conversation died because I left work and i cbf PvX at home. <3 ··· 16:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, go look up Sensation Amsterdam. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 16:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also also, Trivium is one of the worst bands in the history of music. ;o ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 16:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They have musical talent but no sense of how to use it right. -- -Ch  ao  s-   17:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

1pm-5pm today
is exactly half the time i'm at work. so that won't exactly work. also, what is going on that i should be on for? ··· 16:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Update 09/05/09

 * "Paragon


 * Finale of Restoration: increased recharge to 20 seconds. Functionality changed to: "For 10..35 seconds, the next 5 times that a chant or shout ends on target non-spirit ally, that ally is healed for 15..75 Health." "
 * FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK -- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 03:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No more PvE OR PvP Paraway. >8C -- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 03:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh yea, and the update made Fragility spiking work...-- Ikimono "My beard is thick."  14:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Daññy/lolpve talk about a joke. AL 70 discord, basically. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 17:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some group in TA was womping with a Me/P + Me/N a Mo/D using Fevered Dreams, spear attacks for bleeding + deep wound, enfeeble and the monk was using all the dervish defensive shit.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They should've just taken an R/A. 7 degen party-wide is v well balanced. ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 17:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * i dont remember the last slot to boggled.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 17:42, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh yea, and WE-Daggers got (kinda) un-nerfed with the artificial IAS provided by the 1/2 second attacks. just need an IMS and it would be a *whoops, we just un-nerfed-something" moment on anet's part.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick."  03:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Daññy/Wheeway ··· [[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 18:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're a sick man. But i love it.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 18:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

This one
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Mo/any_RoJ_Hybrid - mo0ter 12:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

btw
I just realized I never got that axe on you and it probably comes off like I ignore you in-game a lot. I promise it's not. I'm usually just afk (read: JQing). Generally, if I'm on Danny Clubs Seals, that's the case, especially during the day. At night if I'm on a different character, I might be there, or I might have got on to do something and then walked away. Either way, <3 ··· 19:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I figured you were probably afk when i saw you on last time. Dont worry about it, it's nothing pressing/urgent.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Update today
All i've seen is the change to escape. Seems like a good one to me. (so far)-- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man"  00:02, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, there were a few other changes. but nothing big. when is anet gonna start buffing skills :( all they ever do is nerf -- <font color="Purple">Angel <font color="Blue">us Evertonangelus.gif 00:05, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * When they buff skills they overdo it and new stupidly overpowered builds come out, if they stick with nerfing for a while that would be nice. 71.175.196.43 00:09, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * meh, if they could buff while not intoxicated, we could breathe at least a little bit of life into this game -- <font color="Purple">Angel <font color="Blue">us Evertonangelus.gif 00:17, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * So so true.-- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:21, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * If they don't overdo it happens like with Life Transfer; the skill still isn't viable. -- -Ch  ao  s-   09:52, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually saw it in a hexway once that worked out halfway well. mostly as a coverhex for Lingering Curse (looked like they were calling it)-- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 13:21, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you all kidding, we need them to fix the game before they even thing of doing some interesting buffs. lets hope in 2 months they make a nice big list of nerfs to purge out all the wtf op shit in gw and try and get back some "balancd" gw. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  13:47, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * What they have to do is start removing skills. Just too many skills that just aren't used.  Get back to nice combos and get rid of the crap....tbh--<font color="#b22222"> X  13:51, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * not really. it doesn't hurt to have the extra skills. carry out the nerfs, and start updating some crappy skills to make the game more fun -- <font color="Purple">Angel <font color="Blue">us Evertonangelus.gif 13:54, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * imo that is the whole problem you nerf or buff a skill without thinking of the crappy skill that no one uses and it turns out to be "the next best skill". Get rid of them get back to a balance game then do your upgrades.--<font color="#b22222"> X  13:59, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Creating new viable skills is part of balancing the game. -- -Ch  ao  s-   18:36, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

a) use AoD to cover Lingering and you'll roll everything. b) wtb skill revamp for Supportive Spirit since they decided to fuck healing skills again. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  17:50, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * a) So so true. b) yea, i dont know what possessed them to nerf patient.-- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 20:14, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * b) Apparently they had people complaining that patient was op based on dev page [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  20:21, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Patient was op, but the problem is you still have other op damage in the game, so it doesn't make a ton of sense. ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  20:23, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Anet doesnt make a ton of sense [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  20:26, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not like you could do anything they do better. -- -Ch  ao  s-   15:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * You're sayin that on a guy's page who makes games >.> -- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 16:36, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I was directing it at Muffinnnnn -- -Ch  ao  s-   16:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * figured, but was covering my bases.-- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 16:39, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * ;o Carry on, good sir. -- -Ch  ao  s-   17:27, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * At least I wouldn't delete TA and cover it with a sealed deck [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:40, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * TA is broken tho I love it, and the concept of SD is even more wubly. -- -Ch  ao  s-   17:44, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I liked running organized gimmicks in 4v4, but now that's gone and running gimmicks in ab sucks [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:46, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding, I think Sealed Deck is going to be amazing, might actually make me play the game! -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  17:51, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * ?I never said sealed deck was bad, I just said i liked ta gimmicks [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:55, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Muffin, it's called giving impressions. -- -Ch  ao  s-   18:06, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Impressions are overrated, now run me in speedbooking cause no1 else is gogogo [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  18:07, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Understanding what someone means isn't overrated. -- -Ch  ao  s-   18:39, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Pwnage i said i would >:V -- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:56, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

if someone wants to speedbook all my titles i will give him or her a cookie! ···  Danny  Pew   Pew  19:08, September 21, 2009 (UTC)