Archive talk:P/any PvE Angelagon

Every para-build I see use the generic Vicious attack and Spear of Lightning. Come on, there are so many funky spear attacks to choose from.  seb2lazy2login  (ʞ1ɐʇ)  17:28, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Because the generic ones are good. Innovation does not instantly make a build better, from an objective point of view. Lord of all tyria 17:30, 22 May 2008 (EDT)


 * Yeah, that's true. There's not any combos that are better. Effectiveness isn't impeaded by genericness. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  17:46, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * If you're using this on a player, you should be using skills like Balthazar's Spirit, Shield of Absorption and Stoneflesh Aura (which are included in Archived builds). As for Heroes, . -Mike 17:56, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Are we still merging? XD -Mike 08:59, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
 * I'm not really good at merging, but I'll try. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 09:44, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Just thinking, but wouldn't Anthem of Weariness make more sense in stead of  Anthem of Flame? Might as well lessen the damage through weakness if you're using  Angelic Bond. Also,  Angelic Protection thrown in there as a variant might be interesting. ScythXIII 00:16, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Forgot to sign ._. ScythXIII 00:16, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Angelic Protection is slightly counter-productive with Angelic Bond if on the same target, and it isn't likely that you'll take 110 damage per second in PvE without being protted with something else (because Angelic Protection triggers after damage taken, meaning after all modifiers). Anthem of Flame is interchangeable with Anthem of Weariness. -Mike 07:06, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Angelic bond sucks. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  18:21, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It sucks half of the damage taken by an ally away. O.o It's better than trying to use a Bonder Hero, at least, and it offers some offense, as well.-Mike 18:24, 6 June 2008 (EDT)


 * eh, i've found it over time only to be a so so elite. Though it's good (dont get me wrong) but say your in a single tank group. Most of the time the tank would take all the damage and monks would just have to heal him with enchants and what not. You stick in angelic bond and tada, new person the monks have to heal. :(     other than that, it works fine for general itty bitty bits of damage.--71.67.243.230 07:02, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

pve does not need an Angelic Bonder. There are no spikes. Pressure isn't coordinated enough that monks can't heal through it.
 * It still makes hella tanks. Infuse = anti-spike, Angelic Bond doesn't. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:45, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * So does 100AL and a shield :x  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]]

Use with Life Bond, Life Barrier, Frenzy tank.--R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  21:54, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Crossfire's vote
Incoming is still very meh. Half the time your entire party won't need the buff, only the ones taking the damage, which are those who are Angelic Bonded. Also, bonders can't carry a spear and provide good buffs. -- * Wah Wah  Wah! * 12:31, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Resolved. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:17, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

How
do heroes use bond? Do they use it with care or do they go crazy and spam it on everyone that remotely takes damage? Would test myself but I'm feeling lazy atm tbh :/ -- Sazzy  18:56, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Micromanaging. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:56, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * meaning, not so well :3 -- Sazzy  18:57, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Honestly, I don't know. I theorycrafted this whole thing. And whenever anyone makes a purely player-only Paragon PvE build it gets 0-0-0'd for the Imbagon. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 18:58, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Theorycrafting is win ^^ . Reason I'm asking tbh, is that I'm theorycrafting a hero paragon myself atm and if heroes used bond well without micromanaging, it would be very sweet to have around tbh. But I wld want the hero to use it on his own without you ever needing to touch it QQ . I'll be sure to see how it goes though next time I'm doing a vanquish, which might be a while tbh -- Sazzy  19:06, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * They're actually not too bad with it, because they'll use it on someone taking a good amount of damage, although they would also probably cast it on a saccer, just like Monks with prots. ــмıкε  нaшк  22:18, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 * As long as they don't go crazy and cast it on everyone that takes 10dmg, spending more time on casting bond than actually attacking and using the other skills. -- Sazzy  06:47, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * tbh, anyone who loses over 25% health gets Bonded in my experiences, which means don't run it in HM. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  12:22, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * unless you're uber at micro. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]]  ツ cedave  (contributions☆buildpage)  12:22, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Archive
Archive it because of the change in Angelic bond?--Devil 12:10, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * I think it still works. It's a pretty mindless skill, so heroes should be able to handle it. [[Image:Surprise.png|19px]] Karate  Jesus   12:20, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * Recharge is now 30. --F rosty 12:20, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * But it lasts for 10....eh, I guess you're right. The recharge kind of makes it crap unless you had it on more than one hero....and that would suck. [[Image:Surprise.png|19px]]<small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:MS Sans Serif;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:black;background-color:white;padding:0px 5px 2px 6px;"> Karate  Jesus   12:22, 12 December 2008 (EST)