Archive talk:Team - Dual Sig Mesmer

How'd I do from the observation deck?--R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  03:24, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

AWESOMEEEEE!!killA runa   Leet! 16:43, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

omg, i thought enough people used this when it wasnt on wiki, not it will be vetted and even more guilds will play dervsmite lameway Haglorio bastalk 18:51, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Aw someone doesn't like the new meta. For this build yes it works but seriously isnt there already like 4 versions of this vetted? One uses 3 dercs, one has 3 signet mesmers, 1 has the ranger. They are all basically the same thing just one character slot is being swapped around. Ps cripshot is a bteer ranger to have by far.I Heal If U Shutup 20:00, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The 3 signet mesmers is mine :P And that ones bad because 3 excessive and unnecessary (Strength of honor mes, holy wrath mes, nothing for last). In this view, 3 dervs would be excessive as well, putting in a ranger as flexibilty, or some other utility. Dervs also have less armor, so running 3 puts a strain on healing. Having 3 of one profession usually leads to unbalanced builds, as for flexibility and universality goes. If i said something wrong right there, correct me >.< --[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  23:15, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just think we don't need 50 copies of the same build, merge them into one. Also this builds name sucks balls and has nothing to do with the build. As far as the unbalanced argument goes i know when i first foght the triple sig mes we got screwed up (was at the AT where everyone lost to it bc noone had hurd of it, including Rawr so don't judge to fast). The triple derv build i know works very well and of the dual signet mes builds is definatly the best. Don't second guess yourself just merge them all.I Heal If U Shutup 23:53, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

name is epic, also, Great now pls kk? It is lame and was used by [sup] it some torny thingie beaten all. --  Super Igor   *ninja!!*  20:05, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ik, if you actually look at the setup, its vastly superior to other builds; its as ingenious as Sabway.--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  23:08, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not superior, it's just a living example of build wars. If they have mirror + interupts and for example, a water snarer, they should be fine.  —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  05:39, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

I think a FC tainter would be of more use then a 2nd SoJ smiter imo. You still keep signet of humility, but also allow disease into the team build. Withering aura on that then means the dervs are able to inflict 3 conditions with just Wounding Strike. You dont have the instant damage that a SoJ mesmer provides, but could do just as much damage in the long term through degen. Zuko 04:32, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  05:39, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Even with water snarer, its pretty harsh. Gotcha btw Unexist. I still thinks its brutal :P.--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  19:41, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * To be honest, if having a para + ranger you can counter this easily. Mirror holy wrath, interupt it, mirror SoH(interupt that too, duh) and you can start asswiping. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  02:21, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Otherwise you get raped?--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  18:26, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, otherwise they just have a build advantage over you. You can still find ways to kill(split, spike, doing crazy stuff that I can't insta-say right now) but it's just having a major advantage over your frontline due holy wrath. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  12:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * So its not THAT easily countered :P Otherwise you're just describing weaknesses in the builds and then improvisation to compensate--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  03:13, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ofcourse, like all builds, it can be countered. The only thing about this build is that you'd generally be dead before you found their weak spot. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:15, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Signet of Distraction
Not on the smite mesmer? You already have points in Inspiration Magic. Chfan 10:05, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Is domination. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  13:43, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Ranger
Why is it so much better then 3th derv? Generally this actually  is  ran with tripderv. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  12:44, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I assume it adds to pressure and defense. --<font face="Forte" color="OrangeRed">Tiger  [[Image:Tiger's Fury Tigrr.jpg|19px]] <font color="Black"> grrr!!  12:48, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Was going to add the question myself since it's ran with 3 dervs. God  box    13:08, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * the OP obs the worse build?--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] <font color="Black">aesthetic

Since nobudy gives a real reason why to take ranger, changed it. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  03:09, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I would've said Poison spread with Bleeding and interrupting the other team's SoJ Mesmer or something, but that's by choice.--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  21:22, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Colderv?
instead of Frosty Derv to go with Thunderv? Sounds kind of wierd, though. >.> -Mike 19:36, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tribute to Frosty ;)--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  03:11, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

with all these tripple WS dervs, WS is gonna get nerfed so bad.. >.< Close Impact   talk  05:39, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * And it fucking deserves it! Deep wound covered by bleeding every 3rd second!? God  box    05:49, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I liked the Name "Failway" better

 * -( Loser223 06:34, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well it doesn't exactly fail... God  box    06:37, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * you fail at irony--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  11:35, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

WELL?
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Dervsmite

Ehm - Its 1guy different and it's almost the same just swap out one skills - Strenght and HOnonr and u get it :/ - thou it's 2kinda different styles but Foul Feast, is what i think is better idk :/ (Also AoS on monnk whit all the 3x wars?) Massive   11:04, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * tbh, the build is WS dervs + a SoH Signet Mesmer. The monks are standard, the flagger is probably preferential, and the other slot can be just about anything with utility. I've seen it filled by a Necro, a water ele, another Dervish, a dagger ranger, etc etc. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  11:41, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Cleaned up
And it took long enough to do so, all that typing is tiring.--<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  21:23, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

HA Changes
if the Monks and Ritualist were changed a bit this would be good for HA.--71.67.243.230 00:51, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You're right. Going to get this into userspace and change it. Drag  nmn   talk cont  11:15, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's here. Drag  nmn   talk cont  11:18, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Archive
Updates. Sparhawk 19:23, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Not really, that was just a minor nerf. This is still wtf strong. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:16, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Sig Mesmers
Useless because of the nerf of mantra of inscription.
 * Not useless, but less effective. >.> -Mike 16:06, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just blowing less faces, but the 'blowing faces' part is still bigger then the 'less' part. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  12:38, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

wtf?
Archive:Team - HA Triple WS-- Phail   Tock  A guide to this user. 15:35, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ik such copycats--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  22:03, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Ressurection Chant / hard rez?
It doesnt have a single hard, while almost everyone who runs this build adds - Chant on the Strenght and Honor Mesmer? Why not here... NO hard rez suuuckz Massive   04:39, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The best res is no res?--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  23:53, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Brave. It might, however, work on the SoH Mesmer, as Massive suggested, or maybe even in that optional slot of the flagger. lol ــмıкε  нaшк  23:58, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

NEEEERRRFFFEDD
a while ago. chilling victory isnt that bad, 9 windpray is decent. SoMS could be a problem, and SoJ definately is. Maybe Signet of Removal or Keystone Signet instead.  * Jebus  *   Is    I  11:11, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol who put enfeebling blood in there--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  23:17, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Fixed. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">SYSOP  23:33, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * This build was hit pretty damn hard. ــмıкε  нaшк  23:36, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
 * indeed. Chilling Victory isnt that bad cause there was wind prayers to begin with, but SoMS is no longer permanant. This can survive pretty easily, just replace SoJ mesmers with Keystone/Sig of Removal. Not that bad if u think about it, still not as effective as b4 tho. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  11:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I think Archive:Team - GvG Balance Dual Smite is the closest thing to a replacement. ــмıкε  нaшк  11:51, 23 July 2008 (EDT)