Archive talk:Team - 2 Man Gloom

I liek this idea  video plx--  SpikePlup   Subliminal Messages  04:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * IDK how to make one. Tell me and I will. --DoA Master 14:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Google Fraps. And, if you haven't already, BitTorrent or something equivalent. C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?[[Image:Panic_Sig_Cursor.gif]] 15:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

SF/Commando much? --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  15:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * U can also solo city with this, I use a different bonder with succor and OoB for that though, ill put it up nao...--PVX-Tyris 15:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The build is basically a variant of the SF Commando build; recall is nice for everything up to the Greater Darknesses group; when the Earth Tormenters spawn after killing each Darkness, I find I miss the extra oomph of Intensity or Expunge Enchantments to remove Armor of Sanctity. The Build really slows down there.... --Psych au
 * PBond splits the 3 nrg loss up to 1.5 which gets rounded up to 2, right? --Darklɘs  McChaosmongɘr  [[Image:Darwkchawossig.jpg|19px]] 18:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * There's only one PBond, though. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is very similar to SF/Commando. And also Expunge Enchants is a great skill, and I know for sure, that if you switch "By Urals" out, you will still be able to run both City and Gloom. May be a bit slower though. --DoA Master 22:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

==This build is awesome, but where do u put the hero on group 3, everywhere i put it a popup mob comes and rapes it.
 * There should be a green circle. Put them on the north side of the eye thing in the middle--75.80.138.85 14:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Video Demonstration

 * Ok I finished the video, sadly though, I died at the end and didn't have time to redo it. Where do you want the video uploaded? --DoA Master 22:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * youtube iz nice Darkɘst  McChaosmonstɘr  00:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * kk I will post the link soon. --DoA Master 01:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. --DoA Master 02:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Peeeeeeeeeeew ill look @ it when i get home since school computers hate youtube -____-'' --Darkɘst  McChaosmonstɘr  15:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's been removed for being too long.[[Image:Signature-Liger414.png|19px]]The Liger  is looking for a HA guild  16:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * lolz ʞɹɐp  soɐɥɔ  18:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Break it up into sections <10 mins long --ʞɹɐp  soɐɥɔ  18:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I will just put the first ten minutes cause it's really easy after that. --DoA Master 01:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is it :) --DoA Master 01:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ummmm, this is exactly like the SF/Commando in the variant and it also does better. 71.62.74.179 18:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Seen it in action,5-5-? it Roland Cyerni 00:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't need both Lightbringer signet and succor .--Stool 10:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC) thought you had GoLE in it nvm.--Stool 10:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Hero Variant
No points in healing prayers. What should the attribute split be? Drahgal Meir 17:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The variant should be:
 * with att split Heal:10+3, Prot:9+1+3 Div:4+3 Blood:11. Need Purifying Veil to kill those dervish things. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  18:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * with att split Heal:10+3, Prot:9+1+3 Div:4+3 Blood:11. Need Purifying Veil to kill those dervish things. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  18:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Fwuhfwuh
If the perma has bonds WILL it prevent their death? Bcuz i was in a gloom run and the sin died twice. So i left ʞɹɐp  soɐɥɔ  02:30, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * noob perma.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * haha thats an oxymoron 75.250.167.0 15:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

WELL of SF/Commando
unless someone wants to make a permasin guide for soloing gloom and other parts of doa--Relyk 04:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * SF/Commando is a shitty dagger version, iirc. The fact that this is for Gloom alone warrants its being here, or we might as well WELL all but one of the 600/Smite builds, tbh. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  15:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * it has dagger and sliver listed. Should just have a guide for doing doa with sf/commando rather than list an individual build for the areas--Relyk 20:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * tbh, 600/smite. your point is still invalid. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  04:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless you feel like making the guide, in which case I could care less. Just make sure it's complete. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  04:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * cba, but w/e. We don't have a regular 600/smite like we do sf/commando so its inconsistent :/--Relyk 04:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * nvm, no point in having a guide, although if someone can give proper instructions for doing gloom...--Relyk 09:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

After the cave
I tried this with the OoB hero with purifying veil, smooth sailing all the way, until I hit the rifts between us quest. The 6 earth tormentors from one of the waves slowly tore me apart, with armor of sanctity making it take ages for me to kill any of them. In the vid the guy uses only the martyr hero, but if he keeps spamming martyr to keep conditions off of the tank, he'll be bleeding 24/7, and ultimately die, no? Am I supposed to take both the bonders stated in the article? Or am I doing something else wrong?
 * Generally, the bleeding shouldn't be enough to kill him if you take Sig of Devotion, too. I should've mentioned that you need to have runes which reduce bleeding and cripple by 20%. This should make it somewhat easier to handle. If running martyr, give the hero a bleeding rune and he should be better off, too. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  15:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, with the martyr hero you'd likely need to drop Rebirth for Signet of Devotion. Most of the time, Rebirth is going to be largely unusable anyway, depending on where you aggro the mobs, so I'm not entirely sure why it's taken. Maintaining Shadow Form is difficult, I guess. ;o ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  16:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * THE BLEEDING WILL NEVER KILL HIM. I made the vid. It'll never kill him. I promise. You dont need Devotion Sig Either. And idk why i put Rebirth in there....prob just as a back up. --DoA Master 06:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, so now I managed to get past the rifts between us, but I got stuck at the deathbringer company this time. The damage alone from that mob is not enough to take any of them down, so I tried pulling in some shadow army mobs, their 100 blades quickly overwhelmed my poor little ogden though. And as I tried to pull them to other torment creatures I found out that the Company is the only mob that doesn't pull halfway across the map. Maybe the second part of the run is less straightforward than you think :p, it'd help a bunch if you could put up the 2nd half of the vid. I noticed the map with the dots getting update with recall points, but there's only the one on the start, I also recall to get into the cave for the next quest, as well as to get away from the mob outside. At the rift I also use it to get out without having to run a mile to shake off aggro. Ioroth 09:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can use one of the mobs from the rift part to take down the "hard" group instead of using the shadow army. You pull them until you're about to lose aggro. Then you grab aggro of the "hard" group and race back for aggro of the other group. Atleast that's how I learned it :/ Btw, this should be redone using an EoC, 30 minute runs are cool.--Relyk 01:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not spending 5k on a run is cool, too. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 15:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Make your own tbh--Relyk 22:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can get 30 without an EoC.... Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 22:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * relyk just got owned tbh DarkChaosSig.png 03:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well including killing the darkness after, it takes me forever to kill the earth tormentors, and i end up taking out one darkness like every 5 minutes. if you get 30 minutes without constant sliver, please explain to me how this build does it :/--Relyk 06:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think my best with this build was like 31. Depending on how gay the tormentors are being, yes it can take longer. It helps to kill ~3 of the spawns while they're still in the process of spawning, before they can cast. Obv it can take longer than 30 minutes. Btw, I've only done this like 4 times and i used OoB.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 06:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah you usually can kill 3 on spawn, they spam armor of sanctity right after removing it with rending/twin moon sweep before i kill them... ive done this 3 times with OoB :/--Relyk 06:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sliver Form in Gloom is hard, as is all of DoA. In fact, all of PvE is terribly difficult, and builds like 600/smite and SF/Commando certainly don't make it a joke in it's entirety. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 06:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Says the one who can't 600 vs golems in DoA. Try to 600/smite urgie and deep btw.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 06:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ups. I can 600 golems now. ;o You're a bit behind. Also, urgoz and deep can be pugged if need be, not to mention the drops aren't half as worth it as anywhere else. Also, nitpicking doesn't make the fact that 600/Smite and SF/Commando make PvE a joke any less valid, tbh. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 17:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * GL finding a pug for urgie after RoJ nerf. You also won't find a Deep pug unless you aren't really a pug(ran with them a million times before agro stopped pugging). Those are two viable areas btw, viable elite areas that 600/smite and SF/Commando can't do.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 18:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ups. no one cares because the drops aren't inscribable. also, lolpve. it's still a joke. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 03:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

An easy way to take the rift is to sliver the Torment Claws then pull the mob away from it and have your Smiter cap it. I keep Recall on my Smiter here for a nice clean escape. Selket Shadowdancer 11:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Deathbringer Company

 * Tne easiest way to do this is to pull the Shadow army and sliver the warriors bright when you get to the company. If you barely pull the group then run, you will be able to take them down easily, only leaving the monk (if one) rangers, elementalists, and mesmers to help you. Recall back to Dunkoro for the Greater Darkness. KILL THE 2 DARKNESSES FIRST by pulling guys from the Rift. When you kill the Greater Darkness The Next spwn in on him. Make sure you kill the Darknesses that spawn as fast as you can, so the chest will spawn. To make it easy, be closer to the rift, and right when the last Darkness dies the chest will spawn away from any aggro, allowing you to recall back to dunkoro before dieing from the Earths. They will not go back to the chest, leaving an easy open area for everyone to collect the reward. --DoA Master 20:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, you kill all the darkness and ignore the tormentors?  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 20:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * more or less. various runners use different methods. killing the earth tormentors is just a pain, though, sometimes. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 20:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You have to kill all the Eart spawns from the darkness. I take 1 darkness down at a time other then the Greater's group, then i take down earths, and rinse and repeat. --DoA Master 20:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Variants
Shadow of haste instead of recall?? How are you supposed to recall out of mobs you don't kill, how to take the quest in the cave etc. etc. the list goes on. This variant just plain doesn't work as far as I can tell Impulsion

Has no one thought of taking an E/Mo bonder? Much more fun for a player, though not a hero. 81.44.67.102 02:33, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Bonder Attributes
Why aren't the Bonder Attributes maxed out, I mean i filled in what i thought was best but just wanted to mention that.

Armor of Sanctity
Anyone tested this since the buff to AoS? Seems like the Earth Tormentors will be a lot harder to kill now... -- Captain Bulldozer <font color = "Black" font size = 1>Don't TELL me that you're right... prove it. ''' 17:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just have to martyr more--TahiriVeila 17:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Which means taking 2 heroes over one... poop. --[[Image:Bulldozer1.jpg|24px]] <font color="Blue">Captain Bulldozer <font color = "Black" font size = 1>Don't TELL me that you're right... prove it. ''' 20:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * When I run, which i barely do, I have a party member bring it and I take like 500g off from him. No big deal. --DoA Master 20:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I instantly combust
It's all fine and dandy until i have to wait for the guys to spawn for the quest. Somehow, everytime in that encounter, but at different intervals, i die instantly. I'm know how to and i do keep the SF up constantly, but i don't exactly catch what happenes and i pop. Once even Ogden poped but i have no ideea from what, i held aggro on all the mobs. >.> Sup?--Cosmitz 05:33, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm also all fine and Dandy. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 09:27, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Anyhows, retried today and oddly enough, it worked fine. Cleared the quest twice.--Cosmitz 01:02, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait...this doesn't do the end boss? how come?-- Ikimono <font color ="Brown">"...And my axe" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:25, October 8, 2009 (UTC)