Archive talk:Team - HB Snareway

Discuss please.-- 13:31, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * balanced stance/shield bash might be better since most sins will have rigor put on you. Ravager  ofDreams
 * Yup thats why i used it.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 13:33, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * on your ele.... Ravager  ofDreams
 * Oyea... Well it should be a variant because usually the sins target the monk, and there are things like R/P way for Discipline.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 13:54, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Use shield bash. They will target you half the time.  And theres stuff like blurred vision for r/p.  Which you dont have...  Also, TAKE ICY SHACKLES!!!  Mind Freeze is just worse. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  14:21, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I totally agree with u about icy shackles, but people prefer Mind Freeze and its metagame too. Id just leave it as is.  Icy shackles as a variant.  THe Vi Ru (Rank 2) uses it and many other higher ranks.  Icy shackles though, is my favorite and i use it all the time over mind freeze.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 14:31, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Wierd about mind freeze. I saw the r6 guy using a Me/E, maybe a variant as well. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  14:36, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * not rly. Its fairly good.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 14:46, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I suppose exhaustion is easier to deal with in HB. Ive never run snare so I wouldnt know.  I also thought damage wasnt a big part of snare and that kills werent important, but I may be wrong. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  14:52, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I personally dont run it because of the exhaustion, but Its good because if you want to solo kill a capping hero, you can, and a guaranteed 90% snareif you have enough energy.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 14:53, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * mind burn is epic tho xD its clearly superior to searing flames or dare i say it: FLARE!!! [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 15:12, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I lost against Thunda at Flareway :)--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 15:14, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * BTW @ rezz this is what i usually run (and win) in hb..

[build prof=E/W fir=3 wat=12 ene=12][Water Attunement][Icy Shackles][Freezing Gust][Shard Storm][Glyph of Immolation][Steam][Armor of Mist][Shield Bash][/build] -- 15:14, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * And u r wut rank? --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  15:16, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * This build is lame and dumb and takes no skill at all to run. It should be removed immediatly because only players without any skills need to run this to win. BTW vi ru is not rank 2 lol and he hasnt been for quite awhile. shows how active you guys are. and r6 is massacre lol how dont you know that, what are you guys r2k srsly? quite sad. ok im done raging Tigercat 15:16, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lern2observe more, dont rant about a build without giving actual facts instead of opinions, thats ressmonkey's job. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 15:25, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * ok fine this build is for people who cant multitask and can only run defensive cap builds while everyone running real builds has to know how to heal, deal damage, and cap while this build only requires people to know how to cap because the heros do all the healingn for them and they have snares so if you run this you shouldnt lose ever and if you do your bad. Those are facts. Tigercat 15:31, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * thats essentialy what a great build is, you summed it up. Thx. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 15:32, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * wow its not a great build its a lame build that takes no skill to run. If you have to run this to get top 100 then you are bad and everyone knows it. If you run this period you are bad and you will get raged. I rage anyone and everyone that runs a lame build vs me and I know many people who do the same. And did i forget to mention yr bad and have no skill if you run this.Tigercat 15:41, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * lol its sway all over again. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 15:52, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think someone's just mad that their meta got owned so they go on wiki to cry about it. --Link4all 22:40, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I hope you were talking to him. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 23:38, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I actually havent played hb in a few days been on vacation. But it is pretty f-ing frustrating when u get -25 from some scrub who is not nearly as good at you they just know how to cap, which has happened many times to me.Tigercat 10:18, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Dude Tiger cat, you use a cap way, which i think is really really lame and gay... so if you're gonna criticize about one's build look at yourself first before you judge someone else's work. Other than that, I still think this is a gay build that works...[[Image:Awesome_Dwayna.jpg|19px]]  &not; All H@1L DwaynA!™  (-HookinHeads-[[Image:AWESOMEPRO.png|20px]]) 17:24, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
 * wow btw, wtf do you mean by capway. every build in hb has to cap. yes i run rt/n a/n a/d and yes i run 2 recall which is lame. I could still win without recall its just nessassary to have them to be competitive vs dual melds and snares. If lame cap only defensive builds disappeared i would take out recall and put in damage skills. but you try running my build vs a top 200 bb sin. 3 heros with 60 AL and the 2 assassins have little to no selfdefense. trying to stop a bb spike is not easy. you actually have to no how to heal well vs a sin. and i actually have to no how to spike with my heros and have them all use their spike skills at the same time and hope for a kill. and i have to no how to split because my 2 sin heros fail vs anything that deals damage. the fact with my build is i have to no how to cap heal and kill to win, so i cant see how you call my build lame. Tigercat 18:12, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Pious Derv?
The Dervish bar is odd. I guess I've seen a few guys run it... but why? Meld beats Pious Renewal any day. Where's Mirage Cloak? At the very least it needs Expunge. Grummore 15:16, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * stop failing plez. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 15:18, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * At least explain why one is better than the other. Grummore 15:22, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Pious dervs have better e-mangement. Meld ones have better capping ability.  Pretty much meld > pious. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  15:28, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He was right about Mirage Cloak. I hate Those Meld Tanks.  I dont understand how to use them :P.  Butwith M-cloak, P-renewal is needed.  It already has recall, i dont think i should use meld unless you guys rlyrly think ido.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 15:30, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * meld is more suitable for the playstyle of a snare players I'd agree with Grummore and say take it. Ravager  ofDreams
 * But then theres no imba signet ownage.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 15:33, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * You don't need Pious to run Mirage Cloak. But if you run Meld you can't have Signet of Pious Light, so I guess that's why people run this? Grummore 15:44, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

CC Rit
Does Bloodsong/Mend Body and Soul really do better than Resilient/Wielders Boon? Grummore 15:47, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 15:51, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

lol crossfire u fail at spelling i lol at that recent change.  * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 01:34, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm?--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 11:08, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * "fixing grammar, spelling, making it easier to understand" i looked at the differences. Lern2capitalize correctly. [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 12:09, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

possible warning
may want to warn people that this build is difficult to master unlike some other team builds. --Malcanthet 17:14, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Or not.-- R  e l y k 18:31, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Just seems to me because i've been seeing it played a lot badly in the lower ranks (and very very badly) recently.--Malcanthet 20:10, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * LMAO that just made my day. Difficult to master seriously? This is one of the simplest builds out their to master. All you have to do is snare foes running from shrine to shrine and keep microing and capping with your heros. you dont even have to try really it is soo simple. Tigercat 20:47, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes I've read what you said above and I disagree the usage is simple, but its the strategy and trying to outplay your opponent that makes it difficult. The concept is simple sure, but pulling it off and winning is another story. consider that your only way to win is to cap; you can't spike or preassure to get kills to score. It's like Othello (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversi) easy to learn, difficult to master; it presents you with a lot of decisions and more decisions equal more chances to make a mistake. Remember i'm talking from the bottom of the ladder, you see things from the top.--Malcanthet 01:41, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I see what you mean. Though I still would disagree with you; outcapping your opponent really just consists of checking whether or not your heroes are taking damage at shrines (indicating a foe there) and moving them accordingly, microing the Derv, and snaring anything within range. In other words, it's not this build that's difficult, it's HB capping itself. - [[Image:GenericWikier1.jpg|19px]] Generic Wiki-er  09:58, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Its actually quite sad how 95% of the hb population doesnt know how to cap properly. If you just sit down and think about it, it is quite simple. It is not hard trust me and if it is go back to pve. :) Tigercat 10:18, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Or just go back to normal PvP where all you have to concentrate about is killing something.--72.189.85.47 10:58, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * you mean normal pvp where all you have to do is know how to kill something, know how to have good positioning, and no how to stay alive. basically the same thing in hb except with capping.Tigercat 11:50, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * that's why i like HB, and I agree it probably is a problem with capping in general which is a problem if you suck at capping and are playing a pure cap build, and i think i understand now why you rage against good builds that don't require you to multi-task as much as others tigercat. --Malcanthet 17:50, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

= Lol =

Is all I can say, CF. -Jax010 11:56, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * /bow.--[[Image:Xfire14siggy.png|110px]] 11:59, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * nice it really does belong in great. --Malcanthet 17:51, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
 * [flare@439]


 * look at the damage lol [[image:IAmJebus_sig2.jpg|19px]] * Jebus  *   Is    I  Enter my contest! 17:56, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

lulz.-Jax010 20:29, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

439 Fire Magic? that'd be awesome! 75.200.232.162 00:02, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

How to run this.
I know all the posts have said that this is very easy to run but i cant seem to get the hang of this. What am i suppose to do with my heroes? How do I split them? What should i do with their recall and meld? If any one could help me out I would appreciate it. What do I do with the ele?
 * try running a monk and 3 packers first. if you can't manage that, don't play hb. ··· Danny   Does   Drugs  19:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC).

Any one kind enough to help me out and give me a few tips on how to run this team build? What to do with heroes?
 * first, sign your comments. second. Just send the heroes that wont get pwnd alone to bases and capture with them[ justh ave them sit on it] and go to different bases. Its like alliance battles where you controll everything.[[Image:unrealSignature1.png]] 13:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I understand the concept of hero battles..... All I want is to know how to run THIS team build, how should I split team. The page doesn't give good instructions on how to use the heroes. [Lineout87] 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * it should be obvious that hte things with recalla re what oyu split. THe dervish is your primary split capper, abuse the shadow steps ot move around the field fast. the rit can also go cap with recall and cancel recall if oyu need hte extra heals. the player and the monk go cap together

14:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)