Archive talk:A/Me Blue Ice Dome Ninja

Discussion
Video available now. Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  10:35, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Why do we need to weapon swap? 82.17.107.186 21:57, 22 June 2007 (EDT)
 * I'm not certain that this is the reason but when you cast Shadow Form without the +20% duration it lasts 21 seconds. You can only use Arcane Echo for 20 seconds after it is cast so maybe you can use Shadow Form's blinking as a sign that it must be renewed if you want it to echo. Teutonic 09:21, 5 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Yes. Arcane Echo only lasts for 20 secs, so you do not want the first Shadow Form last longer than the Arcaned version, because then the Arcaned SF wears out before you could use it due to the falsely used +20 Ench at this point of time. [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  10:10, 5 July 2007 (CEST)

This = Buffed. Now you can maintain Shadow Form at all times. :) ---  Ressmonkey   (talk)  16:53, 30 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Yep. ^.^ — [[Image:Ranger-icon.png|50x19px]] Luobailong   ···talk     ···builds  17:48, 30 August 2007 (CEST)
 * How? --Jorx 21:32, 1 September 2007 (CEST)

I would suggest with the new PvE only skills from GWEN that u change heart of shadow with "I Am Unstoppable!"

I agree, just tried with i am unstoppable and it's A LOT easier. i only had rank 3 for the norn title track as well --Stranger 06:55, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Hero Battles
Tried to do this with 2 Sin Heroes, controlling their Shadow Form/Arcane Echo and my own. I did it fine.

It's just that the fourth hero was so vulnerable. ~_~ Any other invincible builds out there?

Micro an E/D with Glyph of Swiftness and Obsidian Flesh? Tycn 12:33, 27 September 2007 (CEST)

So how well does this build function now that Deadly Paradox got nerfed from 50% to 33%? Can you still maintain 3 Shadow Forms in a row? BLOODGOAT 17:57, 19 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Yes i think so. --Peter 19:11, 24 October 2007 (CEST)


 * You can maintain shadow form infinitely. --Teh Uber Pwnzer  10:04, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Staff
Does it have to be a staff? im guessing the reason that its a staff is for extra energy but is that bit of extra energy essential, or can u do without it?--Stranger 07:07, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

K, just tried without a +10en staff and i died. BUT, it think it may be possilble... its just very hard--Stranger 08:22, 27 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Staves aren't that hard to get <_< [[Image:Hammer And Sickle.png|19px]]Viet •  t  /  c  08:30, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

I know, its just that i had 4 other +20% ench weps spare and i didnt want to buy a staff. :) --Stranger 06:55, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Droks
with the buff and the use of gw:"I Am Unstoppable!" in the place of heart of shadow, can this build run droks? i think it might be able to so im gonna try it now but i only hav rankr 3 in norn title so i am unstoppable dont last long for me. if some1 with higher norn title test too that would be great.--Stranger 08:07, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Ok, i did finish the run but it was pure luck and i am absolutely certain i couldnt do it again if i tried. i ran the first 2 sections extremely easily and with incredible speed... but when it came to the final run to rankor i died about half-way. still, i think its possible so im gonna get my norn rank higher and try again.--Stranger 09:54, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Without Deadly Paradox
Is Deadly Paradox a must for this build, or can you just use Arcane Echo w/ Shadow Form? Or are there any other skills that can recharge your sin skills?


 * You need it for the shadow form recharge to be fast enough. --Peter 20:43, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Deadly Paradox nerf
Now fifteen energy. Still viable? --71.229.204.25 03:07, 30 November 2007 (CET) No Longer Viable

Eh, maybe if you bring a lot of radiant insignias and a 20E staff, 60 energy or so would be good i think, maybe a little lower would still work Invincible Rogue 00:06, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Armor Question
Does this build need max armor, and/or is it preferred, or should I spend my money elsewhere and buy n00b armor?65.95.147.12 02:47, 30 December 2007 (EST)

nope. I ran this effectively with AL 20 armor (or whatever the shing jea armor is). further testing reveals that if you use it wisely, energy is fine. maybe even swap heart of shadow for i am unstoppable since HoS was recently nerfed. 74.142.187.245 21:05, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Nerfed
Dang... still can work, but isn't very good anymore... Invincible Rogue 17:26, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * yea, it's only decent now :/ &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by IcyFiftyFive (contribs).

New version
[build prof=A/Me name="Deadly Dwarven Runner" sha=12+1+3 dead=12+1][Deadly Paradox][Arcane Echo][Shadow Form][Dark Escape][Dash]["I Am Unstoppable!"][Dwarven Stability][Heart of Shadow][/build]

Shadow form can be maintained forever, just when you use it the second time, try to time it for just before shadow form is half way recharged. Then once arcane echo is recharged immediately use it again. Takes some practice, however it works.--The Gates  Assassin  00:22, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Was tons easier to maintain before DP nerf.. Justing6 20:32, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

archived
what the heck? this build still works, and deadly paradox was nerfed ages ago... Invincible Rogue 19:04, 2 May 2008 (EDT) EDIT: i am unarchiving it as it still works, has a 5 in effectiveness since the most recent DP nerf (a long time ago) and the archive was not discussed here, if you support rearchiving do so here.


 * DP never got unnerfed so no.  Antiarchangel [[Image:Antiarchangel No U Sig.png|19px]] TROLL  19:10, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
 * can't you just perma SF run it with the other skills in the bar?
 * If you are going to unarchive it, fix the build. A/Me is way out dated.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]The Gates  Assassin  15:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Not everyone has 4 campaigns >.> Invincible Rogue 16:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ...And? We only keep builds that are the most effective, reguardless of if most players can get them.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]The Gates  Assassin  16:29, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * and by the way, this one is effective still >.> we have like 4 dervish builds that all do the same thing, so having the a/me build up really isn't a problem. Invincible Rogue 16:40, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It costs 10 extra energy and 2.75 extra seconds.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]The Gates  Assassin  17:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Still Working
My build is still working like a charm (you can upkeep Shadow Form infinitely with it). — Luobailong    ···talk     ···builds  12:44, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Obsolete
OK, the build is actually quite obsolete as we got the much easier to use A/E Infinite Shadow Runner now — Luobailong    ···talk     ···builds  15:03, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

Variant
[build prof=A/E name="Blue Ice Dome Ninja" sha=12+1+3 dead=12+1][Deadly Paradox][Siphon Speed][Dark Escape][Death's Charge][Heart of Shadow][Feigned Neutrality][Glyph of Swiftness][Shadow Form][/build]

- Unsigned


 * Still sucks. I've got a better idea.



[build prof=A/E name="Blue Ice Dome Ninja" sha=12+1+3 air=12 dead=3+1][Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form][Dash][Dwarven Stability]["I Am Unstoppable!"][Death's Charge][Shadow Sanctuary][/build]


 * Of course, it requires high PvE ranks, but it'd be the optimal build. SS matches or outperforms Feigned's regen, and extra armor really isn't that important for permas.  Dwarven only needs to extend 33% to be faster than DE, ~77-78% to be faster than Siphon.  "IAU!" is excellent Crip/KD counter/prot.  130.101.94.20 17:34, 22 November 2008 (EST)

ARCHIVE
ARCHIVE PL0X. And no, adding glyph of swiftness to it will not improve it. Shinomori 21:54, 29 November 2008 (EST)

A/E Build nerf
Well now that everyone is complaining about how the A/E build is tighter on energy, we should edit this build to fit current running standards. I suggest adding dwarven stability and IAU in place of siphon speed and heart of shadow. Shinomori 14:27, 13 December 2008 (EST)

GZ being wtfpwned on energy
See title. Kthxbai 23:36, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's relatively easy to use the build without being worried about energy. Well...I actually haven't used SF since the nerf so I wouldn't know but I used this build before they buffed shadow form to 32 second duration and it worked fine. Shinomori 12:18, 7 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's almost impossible to keep up energy using the Arcane Echo version if you're planning on using any other skills without energy management.--66.192.104.13 13:13, 7 January 2009 (EST)