Archive talk:Rt/Mo HA Offering of Spirit support

Needs energy. — Skakid9090 03:51, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

Less NM weapon too, you've already got splinter and warmongers to buff melee. — Skakid9090 03:51, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

Also, Weapon of Fury is probably worse than bringing Expel/ER and keeping Splinter/WM on your melees. — Skakid9090 03:52, 4 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Has no energy problem because this assists at the most 3 players at one time, giving a rather long downtime between spikes. Given the exp i have its about 10 seconds between major spikes and that gives alot of recharge time. This is meant to buff more than one player at a time.[[Image:Zealous Benediction.jpg|19px]]  MasterOf Guild's  03:53, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
 * You don't spike with Warmongers and Splinter, they're pressure skills. — Skakid9090 03:55, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I don't see how you would have energy, seeing as you're probably gona be maintaining SoH on 2 meleers, giving you .6 energy per second back. — Skakid9090 03:55, 4 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Yes exactly. They are meant to keep pressure up. SW is good for a dervish or assassin that doesnt need adrenaline. But when you spike with all melees that have weapon up it creates almost overwhelming pressure. One melee has strength an honor. Mostly on your major damage dealer.[[Image:Zealous Benediction.jpg|19px]]  MasterOf Guild's  03:57, 4 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Please try before commenting too much. This build takes a very short time to get used to but once you try you'll see a drastic increase in even the smallest spike.[[Image:Zealous Benediction.jpg|19px]]  MasterOf Guild's  04:00, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

um... i dont see this spiking much. wtb damage much? how bout healing? wandspike ftl ~ ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ  (contribs) 04:37, 4 October 2007 (CEST)


 * This helps spiking... and this is for gvg and ha so healing is not needed.[[Image:Zealous Benediction.jpg|19px]]  MasterOf Guild's  04:58, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Healing isn't needed in GvG? Misfate  05:28, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Healing not needed in HA? That's even more lol, you overspam heals in ha. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  15:56, 11 November 2007 (CET)

I like the general idea of this build, but you are going to have energy problems and you have 6 unassigned attribute points. Lord Belar 05:07, 4 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Lets say healing isnt necissary. The six attributes are almost useless except in spawning power and it makes no difference basically. It adds like half a second to the length so its useless. This buffs melee by about 150 life steal, Interrupt, and AOE. This does work. In fact ive been using this in gvg for quite some time and it adds great damage especially to a rending touch axe because you cant strip weapon spells. Also 10 hits with strength of honor up adds 140 damage. Add splinter weapon to that and you have serious pressure between major spikes. In addition this makes other builds like assassin melee more useful in gvg. Paragons also have great damage capabilities with this in your party. It really makes every melee profession so much better. [[Image:Zealous Benediction.jpg|19px]]  MasterOf Guild's  20:39, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I didn't say the idea behind the build was bad, I said you will have energy problems. Also, you might as well put those 6 points in spawning power, 1/2 sec is better than nothing. Lord Belar 23:20, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I took the liberty of adding the spawning power for you. It gives you ~1 sec on all of your weapon spells. Lord Belar 23:24, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

Or smite hex instead of condition. --Edru viransu //QQ about me /sysop 23:27, 4 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Looks good let me test though. Weapon of Fury is pretty important but im gonna do a gvg in like 10 minutes so ill get back to you in like 30 minutes.[[Image:Zealous Benediction.jpg|19px]]  MasterOf Guild's  00:13, 5 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Ok this is master of guilds i logged out of my account and i cant remember my password so for the time being im using this account i will switch back if i can. If anyone can help me get my password please tell me on my discussion page.[[Image:Spell Breaker.jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  18:07, 5 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Does anyone have any comments before i put this into testing?--[[Image:Spell Breaker.jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  03:47, 6 October 2007 (CEST)

Meh, Nightmare Weapon really should be switched out for a hard rez. Viet talk  . 02:58, 7 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Variants.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  03:33, 7 October 2007 (CEST)
 * no, NEEDS to be standard.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 03:40, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Nightmare weapon fails in a balanced group imo. Normal axe damage = same as nightmare weapon's life steal, maybe a bit less, but you don't waste 10 energy for it, and a skillslot. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  15:57, 11 November 2007 (CET)

better bar imho
i think spamming splinter is way better than having WW in this case, as these kind of ritualists are usually used in spike settings, where you have a mesmer that can take care of interrupts. ji on the other hand grants more ap and it's a great spell to have vs heroway (minions + barbs = pain). smite conditions is an awkward choice too, it's not so useful vs balanced builds nor condition spamming (too slow to keep pace with blindbots-cripplers-trappers). --Jim Eno 11:26, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
 * You take both splinter and WW, you splinter one guy and warmonger the other. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  15:59, 11 November 2007 (CET)


 * WW is basically the main part of this build.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  20:51, 21 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Exactly.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (talk ) 21:30, 25 November 2007 (CET)

Castigation Signet > Smite Hex. &mdash; Skuld 18:00, 19 November 2007 (CET)

It keeps saying, on your melee players. What if you have a paragon or ranger on the team? Do you just leave them out? Hmm? ‎ Fire  Tock  15:14, 27 November 2007 (CET)


 * Wow, if you cant figure that out dont use the build. I hope you're not serious because thats pretty sad if you are :\.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (talk ) 22:01, 27 November 2007 (CET)

Remove GvG Tag. This works well on a dual Conjure Strike HA team. Tried it yesterday. 209.189.130.127 22:54, 27 November 2007 (CET)


 * GvG tag stays as i use it all the time in GvG extremely effective.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 00:14, 28 November 2007 (CET)


 * The bar above, Bloodsong-->Draw Conditions and FoMF-->Res Sig and you have the bar I saw [dR] running (just after my brother ran it :P), with 2 AoM Dervishes. You can kinda kill people whit it. Sir Bertrand 18:27, 29 November 2007 (CET)


 * But only kinda... sad I want to kill people, not just kinda kill people. <font color="#DA04FF">G OD L IES <font color="#DA04FF">T alk 18:48, 29 November 2007 (CET)

Its support and almost every major melee group that holds halls uses some form of this after i made it. Its basically a forever lasting conjure, and with a group with a conjure enchantment tank its a ton more effective. Ruthless Amazon frequently uses this build to buff melee.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 22:05, 29 November 2007 (CET)

I changed the wording a bit but only deleted something because it was not needed you can check the wording to see if i am good.--<font color="Black">Lucky121 (<font color="Black">talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 21:40, 4 December 2007 (CET)
 * You're fine, thanks for changing.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 22:43, 4 December 2007 (CET)

Wow this is actually one of the builds that was made by an unknown player and is used by top ha-ers, imagine that.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 16:36, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * you should have seen how it started though. it had nightmare weapon and other junky stuff.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 17:49, 30 December 2007 (EST)

yea i know.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 18:01, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * i lol'd at weapon of fury and nm weapon.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 18:02, 30 December 2007 (EST)

lol i know  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 18:15, 30 December 2007 (EST)
 * wasn't this your build to begin with, too?&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 20:29, 30 December 2007 (EST)


 * Well, it was actually my friends who wanted me to put it on wiki for him, but i probably should have made it more viable before putting it up.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 20:30, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Why did this get moved back to testing? It was already vetted, and I still see this in GvG. 76.89.84.136 20:11, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * 2 skills got changed. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 21:24, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Needs
Bloodsong. you have no spirit for oos.&mdash; Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 05:46, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * Skakid apparently disagrees. It had bloodsong. Lord Belar 11:03, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * Shrug, sacc isnt too big. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (<font color="Black">contributions  * sandbox ) 11:04, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Bloodsong sucks

Draw=more support,Warmongers=more shutdown/dmg Varis 09:00, 4 February 2008 (EST)

Wait... Did you just say that bloodsong sucks? And put up a bar with OoS and no spirit? <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 18:10, 4 February 2008 (EST)
 * Bloodsong is not needed. That's what you have monks for. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  16:59, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Archive
Has fallen out of use in meta, most rits are glaives nowadays--Goldenstar 22:10, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * This is still good. --74.57.210.118 00:21, 30 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Even though it is good an archive could be at least considered since it isnt used basically at all anymore in the place it is meant to play in, so maybe it should at least be considered.[[Image:ExtremeSigPic.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Extreme (contribs)


 * Wrong. &mdash;  Skakid  11:14, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I do think this build still works nothing has been nerfed but why keep it if its out of meta?[[Image:ExtremeSigPic.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Extreme (contribs) 17:15, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Uh, the meta is a bunch of defense whoring faggots running lame shit, that doesn't exclude this from Great status. &mdash;  Ska K  id  16:16, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * K, i'll respect that.[[Image:ExtremeSigPic.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Extreme (contribs) 22:26, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Meta sucks anyway, even in HA because I want moar QZ >:(  Frans  10:53, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

needs updating
Firstly, attributes are wrong. Life with no restoration spec? Second, it needs PwK isntead of warmonger's, and tbh most people run WoWarding over smite hex. - Auron 21:42, 12 October 2008 (EDT)