Archive talk:Mo/R Natural Stride Monk

This is Tab's favorite bar, bad votes will be QQ'd by him. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  14:50, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's ok, ill always prefer WoH though, and i don't really understand nat stride on a protmonk to much ither. I guess i prefer 8 in tactics so i can meet the req for a shield and get a better blocking stance (in arenas). In ab surly dash + return is better than nat stride. Major rune is pretty gay as well. That build will work fine, i think war/sin secondary will be slightly better though.I Heal If U Shutup 15:04, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Why the major rune? Rupert = Hawt [[Image:Rupert_bear_sig.jpg|19px]]19:23 {GMT} 7-06-MMVIII
 * Because Unexist is bad. Fixed. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  15:24, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Cuz it's ab, and people in ab are bad at removing enchantments. Major rune + prot spirit owns. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  15:26, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Where is prot spirit? Rupert = Hawt [[Image:Rupert_bear_sig.jpg|19px]]19:27 {GMT} 7-06-MMVIII
 * Tabby moo changed the bar. See buildpage history for what my bar was. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:18, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't like it. At all. Especially because of enchants ending NS Railin  16:01, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You run NS for the added versitility over Disciplined Stance - used properly, it let's you have a significant movement and positional advantage over the other teams frontline, making it much harder for them you get well times bstrikes on you etc. The enchant clause on NS is irrelevant, as the only time you'll use your stance then enchant yourself is when you're buying time to get Guardian off while dazed or something. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  16:04, 7 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Just cast Veil before NS, you don't need to cast Guardian on yourself, and you can use ZB instead of RoF for a heal. You won't need Shielding if you already have 50% block chance and kiter. --Guild of Deals * Wah Wah  Wah! * 16:14, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Eh, why veil? And when you're having NS at you, you don't wanna stop for a 3/4 anyway, unless it's dual melee. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:19, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 3/4 lol--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  22:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
 * With that I ment, ZB/Mtouch too. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  11:37, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Good luck facing off against Hex Mesmers of any kind. MIgraine will especially own you if you're not monitoring the Mesmer always. Otherwise, it's decent. --Ulterion 11:26, 11 December 2008 (EST)

DUPE
I don't see anything here that isn't covered here so does this really deserve its own page? I don't see anything here that justifies it to be honest. Selket Shadowdancer 20:52, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeh, both shielding hands and natural are both listed anyways, should be deleted or w/e, 92.237.14.59 20:56, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ohnoes, now we must delete pretty much all war/monk builds cuz they are listed somewhere else! —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:07, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * exactly. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 07:20, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't forget the Ranger builds!  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 07:26, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * exactly. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 08:25, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * . This does nothing that isn't covered already by the general Zealous Benediction build that we already have. I'm putting a tag on it, if you disagree then bring it up on the Admin Noticeboard. Selket Shadowdancer 09:06, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, we have Archive:Mo/W GvG WoH Monk and Build:Mo/any PvP Word of Healing, and those aren't merged. This is fine, brave, and strong. --Guild of Deals<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 09:12, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If it actually did something different (ie: the difference between running Cripshot and BHA)I could roll with that, but it does nothing different from the already vetted build that has everything this has in its variants section already. There is just no need at all for this to be on the wiki. Selket Shadowdancer 09:14, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Im sure this satisfies it: No. Doing that causes massive, massive, massive, articles. If it's more detailed to explain usage, it deserves it's own page" -Skakid--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  22:10, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Why the hell is there TA and RA tags? Disciplined stance is much better there. And actually there you need some antispike prots. <font color="#FF2626">&not; Master Gladius  06:15, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * NS works just as well as Disciplined. If by antispike prots you mean PS/SB, then no. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:17, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Okay explain to me why is it just as good? you don't need speed buffs in RA/TA most of the time. I don't see any synergy between enchantment based monk and a stance that ends when you become enchanted OR Hexed (which you will see in RA/TA pretty much). Disciplined stance on the other hand gives you non-elite SoD and lasts almost as long as NS. And one more point: 75% block chance > 50%. <font color="#FF2626">&not; Master Gladius  06:24, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * If you aren't terrible, the speed boost gives you enough time to get off a guarenteed spell, at which point it ending due to enchantments is irrelevant. It's also far more useful than Disciplined as a general use skill, as it makes it extremely difficult for opposing frontliners to put any real pressure on you. It ending on enchantments is only an issue if you do something dumb like RoF yourself while under it. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  06:36, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)You aren't using Natural Stride so you can stand there tanking, you are using it to fuck up someones chain, whether that be to catch either the knockdown or Crushing Blow on a hammer or catching any of the attacks in an assassins chain and kite better to reduce damage. The extra 25% doesn't really make much difference because you're not trying to block everything. Natural Stride also has the added utility of letting you kite people as you move faster than a warrior under IMS, 50% block plus 33% speed boost will actually negate more damage than 75% block. Natural Stride also has a slightly quicker recharge so you can use it more often. Guardian is only 50% block too and that skill is freaking awesome. - 06:40, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Id still kill the monk with my warrior--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="99CCFF">R ELYK   <font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  01:15, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You use natural stride because it's flexible like hell, it's like rof. You can't explain how it works in words, it just has so many uses. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  16:54, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

lol
I posted the very same build some time ago but it got trashed bc ppl are so bad at this place. :) Swiftslash \\   (<font color="Black">contributions  * sandbox ) 06:41, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Please, a monk running distracting shot is very NOOBISH. Don't reccomend it espically in ra. -- Chase
 * You're no fun at all. Also, please sign your comments with ~ . Kabu To 04:29, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Wtf are you talking about, a monk with DS is leet, its fun to run it in RA, its like shield bash, you can screw up sin's combos and make them cry. Heck, I ran it with DS in TA and ended up saving myself from the shove spike, 3 times. Muffin 12:31, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If you don't wanna run d-shot, don't. If you can run it, great, you're leet, disable anything and everything harmful to you and/or your team with your leetness.  <font color="#011000">IC <font color="#055000">YF <font color="#099000">IF <font color="#0CC000">T <font color="#099000">YF <font color="#055000">I <font color="#011000">VE  14:10, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Or... you can take the easier option and go mo/w with hammer bash. <font color="41 69 E1">Ace <font color ="#0099FF">(LVPoW)  NO U! 18:25, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Hammer bash requires big hammers. And PvX people are poor. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:22, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
 * how the fuck does money relate with PvP weapons? <font color="#0099FF">Ace (LVPoW)  15:17, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone getting d-shotted by a monk when using a key skill is both the most awesome and worst thing that can possibly happen depending on whose side you are on. It's a ballsy trick to attempt but pro monks should already be good at weapon swapping and paying attention to enemy skill use. Necromas 17:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Grats man, you're only about 2 and a half years late. -- Jai . -  17:34, January 22 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a necro post if someone else bumped the page first. Necromas 17:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Another section was bumped back in july. This section, however, hasn't been touched since august of '08. That's pretty much as much of thread necro'ing as you can get on a wiki tbh. -- Jai . -  18:02, January 22 2011 (UTC)
 * The build was bumped today, that effectively bumps it's talk page. Necromas 18:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * So thats why you call yourself Nechristmas Necromas.--83.82.62.210 23:37, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Please Well
Hey look, I made a new build... --Rach 14:41, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * No.  14:54, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 * He made a new build at least... God  box    15:26, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


 * My point is why can't we just leave it to the to explain how to create a zealous benediction monk. Builds have been welled for so much less similarity. You can basically make this monk if you look into the variants section. --Rach 02:04, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Well
Discuss. -- Frosty  07:43, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It's mostly for AB, it plays different from regular ZB-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 07:46, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ^. this is strong in AB's and BYOBs :> Brandnew.  07:48, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
 * The tagged build is tagged for AB and has NStride in variants.... -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 07:50, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I indented wrong :< Brandnew.  07:55, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ZB monk can suck it-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 04:16, 25 November 2008 (EST)
 * ZB Monk is actually better at e-management (if you use it right). Slightly less healing per cast but it potentially costs 3e to cast. If you fail at monking though, you'll wind up depleting your energy too soon, losing. So, you cannot fail at casting at the right times. I've used a smiting prayers variant and it owns, too! LOL! So stop phailing hard, Relyk. Oh.. and bring on your QQ's. *Uses "Incoming!"* --Ulterion 23:33, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * You're almost as bad as luke =\--<font color=#C68E17>Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]<font color=#C68E17>Star 23:35, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * LOL *Runs around, collecting health.* You're worse than Anet's current definition of skill-balancing *cough-smiter's-boon-cough-cough!*. GG --Ulterion 23:48, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 * ZB with smite lol...this is mizzouman all over again. FYI, you really fail at comparing and elaborating, what with corny stuff like *Runs around, collecting health.* and totally unrelated issues like comparing ZB to smiter's boon. You should only come back when you are on the same page as the rest of us, yeah?<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 00:42, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * ZB Smiter and I owned teams. GG. FYI I just collected 140 health during his attack. *"Incoming!"* *Begins collecting moar healths* Smiter's Boon was my analogy of him. If you lack the understanding of that analogy (which compared Smiter's Boon to Goldenstar, not ZB.. so stop failing), it means that you (along with Goldenstar) fail and are bad. Unplug ploxkthnxbai. --Ulterion 10:47, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yay, now we are tossing good skills randomly on a bar, then claiming all sorts of things like "owned teams". Maybe you "owned" bad teams, seeing as ZB and smites make a bad bar. And I think you are the one lacking understanding of the word analogy. Your "analogies" are terrible because they made no relation to situation at hand. What does terrible skill balancing have to do with goldenstar? Except that both have something to do with guild wars? I guess you should go back to elementary school and take up some basic vocabulary classes before giving me a lecture on english.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 14:00, 26 December 2008 (EST)

Oh noes
Archived! Now no one will know about using NS!-- Christmas Relyk  17:05, 27 December 2008 (EST)

im gonna use it :D--61.173.88.131 05:01, 10 February 2009 (EST)

What do you guys think of using Draw Conditions/Antidote Signet for a bit stronger condition removal on allies along with a free removal from yourself?Gimme 05:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Generally, Mending Touch is better than Antidote Signet even though it costs 5e. Draw is already in variants. Toraen   talk  05:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Mending Touch is a guarenteed two condition removal, while Antidote Signet can *potentially* remove two or more. It's also 3/4 second cast vs 1 second activation.  However, Antidote Signet has the advantage of being free, having a slightly quicker recharge(which could be important on a monk) and being dazed proof.Gimme 14:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Mending touch is clearly better, and you shouldnt have trouble with energy if you can use zb properly Castword 02:40, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem with the ZB vs. WoH is that unlike WoH, ZB (such as this build) has no way to redbar health for a player above 50%, just like Patient Spirit. I understand "lol AB," but a team of four could potentially exploit the 55-60% health range a enemy would have, call a spike, and your ally would be ore prone to death given that you were probably reserving to redbar by the time your ally dropped to <50% health. It's also really easy to predict when a player would use ZB, a critically timed Dshot is rather simple for this type of build since most smart players know to click on the monk when another ally dropped to <50%. Prots are strong, but healing is lacking. 71.127.10.226 10:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Archive
Going to do so soon. I want to hear any argument for or against it, please. It lacks the redbar ability since Invoke/Derv update. Not to mention Esurge mesmers. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]   17:54, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

What I never understood is why this is defined by its choice of secondary defensive skill. WoH could also split for NS instead of Tactics stances/shadow steps/whatever. ZB doesn't get anything from it that WoH wouldn't, and would probably be better off in many cases with a different secondary. --  Toraen   talk  22:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Right... I used to use Natural Stride on my monk in RA, but not with prot; you can votewipe and change to healing. Should rename it "d-shot monk really. I was running WoH, Guardian, Patient, Sig of Rejuv, Natural Stride, dshot and Cure hex I think. Was fun dshotting other monks and casters (rupt is nice damage mitigation :p)  Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 02:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)