Archive talk:Team - HB Blackout Spike

Good spike, good at splits too. 13:20, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Frenzy is bad on the sin, flail is better. I'd rather have a backbreaker sin than SP anyway though.--Goldenstar 18:18, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You right.  18:35, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Tbh, its weakness is enchants. But just blackout the protter, and then spike an unprotted target... Win.  19:36, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yeah. What i'm kinda thinking is use a backbreaker sin and change on of the D/ME to a Rt/N Caretaker's capper. Stick rend on him. Then you blackout one monk, spike/rend the other--Goldenstar 19:41, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Meh, enchants arent THAT big of an issue.  20:10, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well. Apparently, even if they are locked on a diff. target from u, they still use BOut on your target. Bitches.  20:32, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm, I think I just faced this, and I think it was you, Frvwfr... :p Anyways, didn't seem like a big threat. Could even have won if I had played a good build (was testing some kind of weird Mo/A smiter that was crap). Ironboot 20:38, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yep, probably was me. A thing w/ SoJ and shit? Spent like 15m at the Cultists Shrine? Got ur monk a few times, and the rit. If they had locked onto the right fuckin target I woulda killed more. lol.  20:45, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Should I just throw this in trial, and wait till they fix, hopefully soon? I mean, its still powerful, and you can blackout lock someone always i guess....  20:49, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Hmm, I like the idea. Might even try it out tomorrow. But the bed wants me atm.. It's fecking 3am here. Ironboot 20:52, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It still owns stancers anyways.... Its still good, I'll leave it.  20:56, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The problem is many HB teams have secondary healers, so if your attacking one target, its likely that the target's teammates will out-heal your spike, I personally think that two blackouts dervs are not required and one should be replaced with more of a support character, A rit would go nicely :) Muffin 22:15, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Or put Blackout on healer? lol--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  22:19, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * (EC)Atm, I am deciding to run 2 of them, but w/ Power Spiek and PLock instead. 12 sec recharge is nice, and they offer some shutdown and damage.  22:27, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This is still really good though.  22:58, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I tested this and found as I previously commented, it doesn't have enough damage output. I think only one blackout derv is needed, in replace of the other, there should be a support hero, such as Caretakers Charge rit to assist you in your spike. They survive usually due to another hero with heals accompanying them who in turn will heal them in the middle of your spike, and by the time you finish, they're only at half health. Muffin 16:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Heavy axe of Enchanting
on the dervs for a couple more seconds of weakness. Rihadol 06:38, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * what he said. --Tiger  [[Image:Tiger's Fury Tigrr.jpg|19px]]  grrr!!  07:07, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Vindwalker vs. Survivor
Isn't Survivor better? Since People usualy rend before spikes. Vindwalker on chest maybe? Kongtorp 09:06, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's Windwalker... --71.35.102.193 17:22, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Too bad vindwalker sounds kooler--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  17:55, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * You mean more Russian?--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]The Gates  Assassin  21:01, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Think about it
Blackout and Power Spike on a Dervish=epic.--R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  18:02, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ...Make comments for a reason? &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 18:03, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK   ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  17:29, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Backbreaker Is a NO NO
With the current Meta shifting to this Most likely because it is super manly, Backbreaker Sins will be inferior. This is what will happen...


 * Enemy with Blackout Meta:"O Hai U Builden Yur Adrenz?"
 * You on BB Sin Bar: "I B Doin So, Yesssh"
 * Enemy with Blackout Meta:"Blackout says o hai there adrenZ!"

卍 Zeecron 卍 18:04, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Good point. And are people actually using this?  18:04, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * 4 Srs Dish is Srs BzNz卍 Zeecron 卍 18:05, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Changed.  18:09, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Powerspike is Fugly
I Would suggest changing the spot to Optional and put it in variants. I think Shatter, Drain, or Inspired would be tons better. Bye Bye Pre-Prots <3 卍 Zeecron 卍 18:16, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Changed.  20:53, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Tiger stance
My bad, I totally misread the history and thought it said you were removing the note that tiger stance can be used as a variant >.<--Goldenstar 18:31, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Two dervs
is bad. Replacing one with a WoH support hero would make this great. of course, with that being said, I might as well just write a page for the blackout dervish and say that it could replace the shadow meld tank. ~ Zamanee  ( point out my idiocy ) 18:29, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
 * yo! Zamaneejinn, you're vote is stupid; don't you think that perhaps shatter enchant rmeoving ONE! enchant is gonna do much? you stack the prot enchants and even then the SP chain can't kill. the build is bad; unless you come and run this in top 100 I won't acknowledge any vote you make.Drowning Pigeon timestamps are ftl!
 * yo! some crazy motherf%#@ in top 50 came in and owned face with something akin to this. being a crazy motherf$%#, he never stays with the same build for very long. he stopped running this months ago. frv and I obs'd him dominating with this. it was awe-inspiring. We said "OMGOMGOMG MUST DOCUMENT HAX BUILD!!!!11onehundredeleven" and hit this up on pvx. And also, you're not supposed to attack monks that stack prots on themselves. let him stack those prots, then unleash your wad on a hero while that monk is blacked out and unable to do anything about it. When he stacks prots on THAT hero, kill a different one. if for some reason this monk stops stacking prots on himself, make heroes chain blackout on him while you assassinate him. the versatility of blackout is why enchantment removal was optional. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 19:19, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
 * "yo! Zamaneejinn, you're vote is stupid" - stopped reading right there – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 20:26, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
 * QFT. -Zerak-Tul 15:56, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
 * w/e the very fact only 2 people on here are in top 100 (me and Smurf) speaks for itself. the build is shit. Stop making shitty votes. Drowning Pigeon
 * A person with a higher rank than you ran something like this. Just because nobody in the top 100 runs a build doesn't mean that it's automatically bad. Please use four tildes ( ~ ) to sign your comments. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 21:39, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Stfu and stop flaming Rainbow, chances are he is 10000000000000000000000000times better than you and knows 10000000000000000000000000times more about this game than you do, this is actually the reason why he is in top 100 and you are not and never will be so what he says is true, end of topic.
 * Let them have their moment of glory anon I guess the top 100 players in HB no nothing, and btw Kloot runs D/P all the time, he's rank 15; gfg. Drowning Pigeon
 * You know, I really have no idea if anon was talking to me or to you, pigeon. that message was a true eyesore. whatever, I'm gonna try to rewrite this thing sometime in the near future. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 12:51, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, Zamanee if you btoehred to check the validity of my top 100 claims you'd have realised I was Rainbow in-game, and that the anon was talking to me. I don't understand how you could be confused by what the anon said, or who he was talking to; that is unless you are also top 100? Drowning Pigeon 21:58, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I once hit 95 (competitive HB's early days), but that's not the point. I knew you're rainbow, i just didn't (and don't) really care. I just got confused with anon's grammar. i didnt know if he was telling me to stop flaming, or if he was telling you to stop flaming. "stop flaming rainbow" could mean either one. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 14:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Not the same build but..
Kongtorp 21:13, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I would have rewritten it to this a long time ago if I wasnt so lazy :D. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 23:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)