Archive talk:Team - HA Necro Hex Pressure

Ok ive seen this become more widely used in HA now. Im not sure on the depravity necro tho, i didnt think that 2 necros using almost identical skill bar wood b a good idea. Are there any changes i need to make? Zuko 11:12, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * SH 2 has both "MH!" and FOMF. E/P/Rt! -- User:DGCollard 11:18, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Screw the SS, bring soul bind. Then you drop stability for grasping on your taint. Then you've got a truly faggish build.--Goldenstar 11:25, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Is this ready to be moved to testing then? Zuko 14:52, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * SS > Depravity imo. E-denial in HA is useless on such a scale.  ɟoʇuɐʌ  ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 14:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Depravity it good. Unless you're reall awful at balling, it basically negates channeling on 1 monk while doing a bit of e-denial on the rest of the ream. With taint + loads of fire AoE the monk simply can't keep up with the pressure. It's meta, keep it.--Goldenstar 15:01, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Rip Enchantment negates channeling; it removes it...  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 15:02, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Its been Depravity from what ive been facing. Im nomally the RC, and Depravity covered by loads of other hexes, means either u dont prot and let allies die, or you prot thru it and hav complete energy denial. Theres already plenty of damage in the build. So in this case Depravity>SS imo. Zuko 15:03, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

The build 4 the Depravity necro i wasnt sure on, as i didnt want to have 2 almost ident builds just with a diff elite. It ok tho? Zuko 15:04, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

A bit too many wells maybe. God box    15:12, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Well of weariness needs to go, take insidious instead--Goldenstar 15:17, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well of Suffering for GoLE imo, that bar can get some serious energy problems. God  box    15:41, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well of suffering is good pressure and corpse control, maybe move it to the deprav bar and ditch weariness?--Goldenstar 18:08, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Im gonna make some changes on the SS necro because 2 Malaise is just useless, putting in Parasitic Bond for the cover hex. Also Defile Defenses not really needed with only 1 melle so in with Price of Failure because warriors failing to attack is funny :P. Joethenoob 17:13, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Dual Malaise is necessary, Defile is a cover hex. --71.229 17:15, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * But Malaise lasts for like 33 seconds?? Joethenoob 17:30, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Price is pointless with insidious on the bar, really. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 17:33, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Ctrl C/Ctrl V
Your very good at it. No idea how you managed to get a couple of skills wrong though.  ≈ Display   lolcat  18:24, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Dual grasping really needed? Reckless? No insidious :<. Like 9 well spells, no rising bile. Deaths charge hammer in hex pressure? (Unless theres some strange reason i cant really see) Dual WaF. Is malaise needed on both necros? Also; is Soul bind really high pressure here compared to SS considering the monk will rarely have energy to actually use heal party, will SS will keep triggering? &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 18:28, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Why even bother to use Depravity when you can't Rip/Rend channeling, synergy ftw am right?  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  19:13, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Just go observe more and actually write down the correct skills.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  19:14, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Because you deprav & rend channeling so the monk is even more buttfucked. This meta, stop being bad.--Goldenstar 19:17, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Bad who me? Wow. Anyway, almost correct this time. Switch to Pact, remove Foes on the ele, doesn't really need Grasping on the Soul Bind, ele need 9 command, drop Price of Failure for Insidious, Shadowstep on the war lol what?  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  19:23, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Shadowstep on the warrior is meh, it's all about preference. Dual foes/grasping is badass, and you're bad if you want to get rid of it. There's already a pact on the deprav--Goldenstar 19:25, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not so bad to shadowstep in and erfshake bitches when they're in 2 SH's.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 06:28, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

I thnk th a KD is better thn pure dmg on his type of pressure build. But would it b better to swap the warrior out for a WS derv/WS sin? Zuko 08:35, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No. Specially not with 2 SH's.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 08:42, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Fixed some minor stuff, probably missed alot as i did it quick, and some shit i wasnt sure on (dual pact really needed?) &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 08:59, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, is extra rip needed to take off channeling on charge, as atm its 5 seconds uptime, which is 5 seconds of deprav being pretty damn bad. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 09:06, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Standard shit now.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  09:20, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Except now you have SS, which is less pressure, and isn't standard. Get soul bind back in there or it's shit--Goldenstar 09:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, this is the standard. Some teams run Soul Bind over SS, yes Soul Bind is really Imba atm but SS is more pressure in this build really because the monks can't (or shouldn't be able to) cast Heal Party. Stop being a meta boy.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  10:08, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * As i said 'Also; is Soul bind really high pressure here compared to SS considering the monk will rarely have energy to actually use heal party, will SS will keep triggering? —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 18:28, 18 June 2008 (EDT)' &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 10:10, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Sould bind is there to counter party healing and in case your monk is smart enough to prevail or has external hex removal. If deprav isn't there, a helluva lot of your pressure goes away and your monk/eles/paras/rits can party heal through a lot of it. if Half the team has soul bind on it and one of those scrubs tries to party heal, they take a lot of damage. Soul Bind trumps SS for this hexway.--Goldenstar 10:12, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Without deprav, you have very little pressure either way. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 10:14, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Goldenstar, you know this (SS over SB) has been run for quite some time now, it's def not shit. Yes, Depravity will prob get Converted but then 7 out of 8 ppls got a shitload of hexxes on them. Things will drop even if the infuse is clean for 10 secs tops.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  10:18, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Btw This needs a 2nd hard res doesnt it? or can u get away with 1? Zuko 14:57, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Unless you're euro 1 is fine. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 14:57, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

For goldenstar SS is better thn SB, cos if the monk is out energy SS will still keep dealing the dmg if u use it on enemy frontliners, SB wont. Zuko 15:00, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Thats among one of the stupider things I've read. If the monks out of energy you win anyway. &mdash;  Skakid  15:06, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * SS is better than SB in this build. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:07, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * d &mdash;  Skakid  15:07, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Go read display like 10 comments up &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:08, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What does that have to do with anything? &mdash;  Skakid  15:11, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * We already had this arguement, SS is better than SB in this build. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:13, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Heh yeah.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  15:14, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * d &mdash;  Skakid  15:14, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * How is SB more pressure then? &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:15, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * u take dmg when u heal &mdash;  Skakid  15:16, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * SS is more damage overall, healer's energy will be raped anyway &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:18, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Edit conflict, was about to say the same thing, you just wont get healed.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  15:19, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
 * d &mdash;  Skakid  15:19, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Should goldestars vote be removed? SS provides way more pressure then SB as we have all said. Dual Grasping/foes i think is better then just 1 of each, but it shouldnt hav a vote that low imo. Zuko 03:36, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Can't we just say that SS and SB provide equal pressure? This discussion isn't going anywhere.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  03:53, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, because SB is bad in this build. Think outside the frickin box. The whole vote is pretty random imo, 2 Innovation? Yeah hokai! This have been meta for ~1month. 3 Effect, doesn't make any sense, this build rapes everything in less then two minutes. Same with Universality. It's not about meta "most people run at least two foes if not dual foes and grasping." It's about how good the shit is gee, you don't have to have dual snares only because some ppls do (or because you have observed it in tombs some times), this works fine with only one snare.. How many snares do Rspike, Migraine Hexway, any Balanced got? Yeah one. Stop being a meta boy already.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  04:21, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Ctrl-C & Ctrl-V are meh. Use Shift-Delete and Shift-Insert instead. - PANIC!    sexiness!  04:23, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I prefer alt f4 God  box    05:15, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 * OR! be very brave and hold down Start and E, preferably for a minute or so and you will see results! God  box    05:16, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

It amuses me how PvX is always at least 2 weeks behind the meta. Edwards 18:56, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


 * Hey Display, take your own advice and think outside the box. What if, I know this sound crazy, they have off-monk party healing? &mdash;  Skakid  15:53, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh, and you seem to insinuate that Soul Bind does nothing if they don't partyheal, but it does (twice the damage of SS per heal).
 * Off-monk party healing.. such as. Protective Was Kaolai? ~80heal every 15seconds.. I think it's cool.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  16:24, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No no, Soul Bind still hurts but monks just wont have energy, not even enough to get a Dwaynas Kiss off.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  16:24, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Maybe if theyre complete and total trash. &mdash;  Skakid  16:26, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Funny ratings
^.  ≈ Display    lolcat  09:25, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Ya, not what I'd call 5-5-5 worthy, but report it on Admin noticeboard :P I'm too lazy atm. just browsing around random builds ^^ -- [[Image:Nature_Sig_Pic.JPG|19px]]Nature  09:31, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * What are you smoking?  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  09:35, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This is Meta atm, ppl rate 2 & 3 innovation? And the Good tag is sorta random too.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  09:35, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The good tag would be there due to the rating being lower than 4.5. Not exactly random >.> However once people fix their innovation ratings it'll be above that--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]Black ened 09:38, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Never said it was bad, and I forgotto also say some was too low lol -- [[Image:Nature_Sig_Pic.JPG|19px]]Nature 09:39, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Should get no lower than 4 Inno. -- [[Image:Nature_Sig_Pic.JPG|19px]]Nature 09:40, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Guess I'll go post about it on Admin Noticeboard, done browsing random builds atm ^^ -- [[Image:Nature_Sig_Pic.JPG|19px]]Nature 09:41, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's Meta = 5 inno. Yes, Blackened.. I'm not stupid.  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  09:42, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Well you shouldn't have called the tag random ;)--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]Black ened 09:43, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Sorta random ppl rate this under Great** Happy?  ≈ Display  [[image:Horrified.png|19px]]  lolcat  09:44, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * F'sho homie.--[[Image:Blackened_Sig.jpg|19px]]Black ened 09:45, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Added to Admin Noticeboard. Should all be resolved soon enough and get a "Great" ^^ -- [[Image:Nature_Sig_Pic.JPG|19px]]Nature 09:48, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 * May want to add more explanation next or just "see talk page". God  box    10:04, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Glyph Lesser
In my experience as a taint, I find Glyph lesser rather bloated and unnecessary. I run low/med/high sets, so I just swap to get my energy. Really, I think that Foul would be better served on him. That way you could get the spiteful to bring some other hex (I've seen reckless mentioned, dunno about that, was thinking parasitic for a cover on their war, so if they spotless you can keep spamming it). Any feedback on this? Cheers. -- Snakes on a Wii 14:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ah, I see now he has defile, so he doesn't need parasitic. Well, anyways my concern about glyph still holds. -- Snakes on a Wii 14:59, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Alright, this is the last time I'm responding to myself, but I just remembered that we used to bring Deathly swarm on the taint, so he can spike with the ele's rodgorts. -- Snakes on a Wii 15:00, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
 * profane and foes without glyph can be rough--Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]Star 17:40, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Spiteful necromancer's elite
Is SS really a good skill in this case (monks low on energy) or wouldn't Pain of Disenchantment or Wither do better? --Melvelet 15:50, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It's AoE and works well vs. most anything. And it applies to almost any thing you do. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]]  Guild  of   Deals   15:52, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Would the PoD and Wither make sense? And another thing I thought about: What about bringing a mesmer with Panic instead of one of those necros? --Melvelet 13:06, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
 * necros add pressure through damage and degen, a mesmer "only" shuts down the monks. In this case you roll by doing muchos AoE damage rather than shutting down the monks through energy degen. God  box    13:42, 20 October 2008 (EDT)