Archive talk:Team - Shove Spike

Team - Shove Spike/Archive

Original moved to archive
Updated version ready for texting testing--Goldenstar 02:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ups for talking to gf while doing wiki shit--Goldenstar 03:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I fucking hate shove spike. Balanced should be able to beat it fairly easily with good tactics, and mind blast should blow it out of the water every time. Drahgal Meir 03:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Should we increase protection on LS to 12 for break point Pug pug 03:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Break point doesn't matter, you need to be able to clean spike with this build, and you need to be as mobile as possible in between spikes. Drahgal Meir 03:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure you want more points in shadow arts for dark escape :/ Drahgal Meir 03:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The question is "what is better? 35 health or 2 extra seconds on dark escape?" Remember the war has always only had 7 seconds and it has never seemed to be a big deal.(timcago 06:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)).

Counters
I removed all the ones that used to be a counter against the warrior but no longer are due to Aegis, and added "monk" to the ones I think might still prevent the spike from killing if they do enough of it to the monks.(timcago 06:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)).

Dear draghal
You're retarted. Can't whirling a war, he had aegis. Anyway just spike the war if you're having problems with getting people tele'd out. Spike skills are 3/4s, even for a good ranger, getting those isn't a guarantee. Chances are even a top notch ranger won't be able to get 2 rupts on spike every spike for 8:00 minutes. You're also under estimating the ability of this to fakespike and score kills vs eleway. You're not going to get a 40/40 on meteor every time they spike, so eventually a kill is going to get pushed through. You're right that this isn't perfect, but it's WAY better than 3-3-X--Goldenstar 06:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, there's ~1s after you res where you can't be bodyblocked, attacked, cast on etc--Goldenstar 06:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Even if 2 of the monks smites skills get rupted its still enough damage to kill. 58 times 12 = 696 damage + 71(shove) + 17(Crushing blow) + 15(hammer) + 120 (deep wound on 600 health) = 919 damage. So even if ranger rupts both of 1 monks smites its still 687 damage for the kill.(timcago 07:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * It's possible to catch the spike with zero interrupts on anything, although blocking the DW helps a lot. Therefore it's way fucking easier to catch the spike if you rupt 2 monk smites, I would say jokingly easy, especially with how many people take Balanced Stance last I saw. That being said, this will make Shove Spike gayly effective, so I am glad I am not TAing at the moment. Enjoy your slow glad points and gay boring long-ass matches. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] Misery Says Moo   09:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * @Goldenstar, actually I'm pretty sure that's only when you get ressed from a shrine, not a sig. Drahgal Meir 15:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

grapple
Is it still necessary? Would distracting strike be better?(timcago 07:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * If shove gets disabled then it is a good replacement skill so you can still spike Chi Shan  08:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What the hell are you going to distracting strike? [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] Misery Says Moo   09:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * How is shove going to get disabled? (well I suppose it could if you are really bad). Distracting strike has the same purpose as disrupting dagger. Grapple can still be used for small spikes though and there really isn't anything better to take that I can see o i guess it should stay(timcago 16:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * Grapple is for standing spikes and fake spikes. Absolutely necessary--Goldenstar 16:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Carolina Liar
My shove is better than your shove tbh.74.75.91.253 15:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Stupid People
Shove didn't magically stop winning when it was archived, it has never stopped being incredibly effective when used by skilled players, such as myself. Aegis was never needed, and of course it isn't now. But for non-skilled teams, Aegis at least makes sure that you can get shove off, and it is useful in walkups when you can't double knock a ranger. I have no idea why anyone uses this Wikipedia would WANT HALF OF THE TEAMS IN TA TO BE MEDIOCRE SHOVE SPIKES. Why even bother putting this on the Wiki? It is obvious that skilled shove spikes never lose, and it is equally obvious that unskilled shove spikes lose to a RTL or hexway after eight wins. Leech Signet will still destroy a BAD shove, and so will Shock and Blackout.WeeMeeister 15:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was put on PvX because it's still ran and PvX exists for just that purpose - to store the current build that's being ran. Godbox  16:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But why? If anyone here actually plays TA more than once a year, they would know that even a bad shove can still snap a streak. It certainly makes running anything else rather pointless, as you'll always end up getting your streak snapped by some random Shove spike.WeeMeeister 16:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I usually run balanced in ta, and very rarely lose to shove spike. However, a few days ago my team lost on game 22 to shove spike and my ranger told me aegis was preventing him from stopping shove. I was like "wtf are you talking about" and then I read the new description for aegis and decided to post the new shove spike build here so that Arena net can realize the huge mistake they have made and nerf shove spike(hopefully smiters boon style). We lost 2 more runs that night to the same gay team.(timcago 16:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * That was me, of course. You are a bad player, and by thinking that Aegis had a single thing to do with us beating you is very silly. Your ranger wouldn't have interrupted shove without Aegis.WeeMeeister 16:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would flawless you whether you took that shit or not, this build might be able to spike but apart from that its utter shit, and vega just farms bad players all day. Reunion 16:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh shit, a shove spiker called someone bad. Is he just going to take that? [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] Misery Says Moo   16:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "skill players, such as myself." lolpvx. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 16:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Smites
do not need 16 prot, 15 is sufficent, take out DA for return, in various places if the war uses this the war can HoS away from the monks, going up bridges etc. Edit: btw, return removes the counter of bodyblocking -- 00:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * noooooooo now arenanet will read this and nerf hos due to the mobility nooooooooooooo [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  01:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah shovespike teams use HoS on the warrior for kiting and monks can return to warrior 68.108.169.4 04:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * well, HoS makes it tons slower compared to constant kiting EDIT: btw, wouldnt the prot smite taking RC and aegis, and the DH taking draw be better? --DarkChaosSig.png 16:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No guardian then =\ LS let's you get crips off faster which is really important in a kite build--Goldenstar 16:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

How to counter Shovespike and still win against other teams
Drahgal Meir 21:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, you will lose the the wiki version of balaned if you run that. So no one is going to.(timcago 03:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * grasping earth fucks with them, just take your magebane with leech sig insted...DarkChaosSig.png 04:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * screw that, just fucking run shovespike to counter itself, thats the est counter i know of DarkChaosSig.png 04:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Protectors Defense
Just when you thought this build can't get any more overpowered someone thinks about using protectors defense... I mean omg, its not a stance so it wont cancel anything, and it gives all your monks a 75% chance to block against the ranger and warrior. This version of Shove also doesn't have to worry about cripple nearly as much because life sheath is 100 times more effective at removing it than restore conditions was(2 sec recharge 1/4 cast). Yall also figured out how to counter body blocking with Hof, and Return. This is disgusting!

I do have 1 complaint however. You should take a second look at Dark Escapes description, because not only does it allow you to run 25% faster, and gives a 50% chance to block, but it allows you to only take half damage which is extremely crucial against RTL spikers. Dark escape make RTL garbage and ensures that 2 equally skilled teams (one RTL one Shove Spike) will always make Shove spike the winner. I am not sure that is true anymore now that you have removed Dark escape. Realistically, no one is going to stop you from getting a kill making body blocking a fantasy because you need 4 people to body block effectively and if one of them is dead they are going to have to stop and rez and won't be able to get a kill on your team(timcago 04:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * Dark Escape doesn't give 50% chance to block. 24.6.127.61 04:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My mistake, but the real meat of Dark Escape is the half damage.(timcago 04:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)).
 * once you run it, it becomes un-disgusting, and the better variant of this uses an rc with aegis and sb, no res, and just stays back during rtl and sbs the people getting spiked, but id assume thats too complicated for the average pvx'er, so this is the version you getDarkChaosSig.png 04:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I love how no one has to say anything and you guys manage to look pretty fucking stupid on your own.  Misery Says Moo   06:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * dark escape gives 50% block--Relyk 07:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * it does?, undocumented buff ftw --DarkChaosSig.png 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop trolling yourselves. You know you are dumb when Relyk gets you. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   15:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ but protector's defense is stupid and works. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 16:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

dhaina counters this build pretty well lolllllll. --<font color="Black">Readem 08:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So you rate it with 3's because a bunch of g7 and 8s can beat it? Don't get me wrong, it is beatable, but you have to put in a shitton more effort than they do, seems pretty 5 worthy to me.--118.90.96.20 16:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ignore readem tbh. ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 17:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ignore the only guy on this site I've heard of (bearing in mind, I've only heard of him because I've seen him in TA)? Thats dumb. Reunion 18:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * notrly. readem's a bit of a troll, and all he does is sit in TA all day anyway. =/ ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 19:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * readem doesn't troll--Relyk 19:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * what the hell do you mean he TA's all day? readem rarely plays and when he does its rarely in TA, hes not even arrows or anyone elses core. i love how you talk out your ASS so often danny its amazinggggg. crowned yourself new king of this shitterhole. "oh mr anon, if its a shitterhole why are you posting here" lick me, thats why. 67.159.54.26 20:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * troll more. ;o ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 20:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * no u [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  01:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He used to TA all day, to the point where the sweat from his ass and balls was accumulating in such quantity on his chair, it was bonding him to the thing. At least it had wheels for mobility, so he could roll over to the fridge. Now, he TAs for ~5 wins before losing to something hilarious and then rages like a little bitch and blames everyone else. Just setting the record straight, for all those not in the know.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 05:14, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

WeeMeeister 16:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

bad shove spike is bad
 * random anons are bad--Relyk 09:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The build isn't even right...Aegis goes on the RC monk, which its RC btw, not LS...and there is no protectors defense,anyone that doesn't suck at this build would omit that...[[Image:Assault Enchantments.jpg|20px]]<font face=purple color=purple><font face="Times">Vhang The Reaper  (talk · contributions) 02:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * LS means GG crip/daze which are really the only important conditions you need to remove. Drahgal Meir 02:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * it dsnt matter, people dont run these builds they run the right ones DarkChaosSig.png 02:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, Vhang the Reaper, he iz gud. Pro shuv spikr! [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   00:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * prot defense [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  00:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

to readem
Shovespike is op, it is not beat nearly everytime unless you face complete noobs who runs the wiki version and doesn't know how to play it other than 123 spike <font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  22:15, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * i've never heard someone count 123 on a spike. -- <font color="Black">Drah 22:30, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * No i meant pressing 123 on keyboard [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN    <font color="Green">crabs  23:03, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

honestly the most difficult thing about beating shovespike is killing them. The only team even remotely decent at shove and still plays, it that fag Java. Other than him everybody sucks. --<font color="Black">Readem 23:12, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Still not beat nearly everytime, and wins games. Not a 3 [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  23:37, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * 95% beat every time. wins game at a pace of 4 minutes. build can suck my cock. 3 --<font color="Black">Readem 02:26, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * did you really just say you beat 95% of good shoves? you're an idiot readem. you can't beat shove on beach. drawing is the best anyone can do Gringo 03:17, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * also: it seems you wrote that this will lose 95% to any team, which is even dumber. this will beat ANY bad team, and unless someone like pyth is in (who this will also beat 99% of the time, depending on the map), its a long streak if the players are smart. Gringo 03:19, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Readem by that retarded logic every build is bad because a bunch of shitters can't play them. Just because 90% of GW players can't play this build well, doesn't mean it's a bad build. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 03:33, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * I've beaten rawr/yummy and nickless's groups before in a g3 gothspike group, and they usually get high double digit win streaks. Would you say then that I'm the 5%? [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  20:22, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * the build is OP, it will beat good players on lucky maps. Nickless 85.240.133.144 21:20, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * HI NICKLESS, didnt know you came on here. I personally only run shove spike for fun, I farm glads running 2 MBs and that blackout mesmer on ta weekends [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  21:24, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * he doesnt come on here, im friends with him and he got all fussy over someone saying they beat him. Gringo 21:26, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * He hates kira, and by extension me cause i was on his team [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  21:27, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, i accept my losses with a fair attitude, because i know if i lose, they played better than my team. Again, to be honest, i really get angry at shove, because it's the only thing that's overpowered and has never been nerfed or anything, just because ANet just doesn't care about TA. About shove, it's clearly terribly overpowered and everyone with a brain can beat every team in TA with 1234567865421 teleports and perma speed boost (almost permanent -> dash)85.240.133.144 21:31, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * lol ye it is overpowered. Too bad redeam doesnt think that way and voted a 3 >: (btw real bars updated on build page) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  21:31, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * when I say 95%, it means I beat it 95% of the time. Quite literally. There is only one team that ever beats me with shovespike. They are complete faggots (I am ignoring one of them; he is the only person on my list). Just because you can't beat shove on beach saint, doesn't mean I can't lol. When everyone you play with is g9+, you find a way. --<font color="Black">Readem 22:56, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * i've shoved twice ever, and i've never lost with it. dhaina had woody bring infuse and they still lost. im not bragging about winning with shove, im saying that when the team is g9+ (and you've been replaced for someone that is actually good), they still lose. Gringo 23:17, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * replaced lol? those guys are my friends. woody is my one and only Canadian drunkard. dhainer is my fucking broski. everyone on that team would have gladly have had me. stop being a joke. --<font color="Black">Readem 23:09, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Bad Team build.....
This is the worst shove team build i have ever seen........
 * I think you should fix it for us then. [[image:Thunda_Sig_2.png|19px]] <font color="CornflowerBlue" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Thu <font color="IndianRed" face="Comic Sans" size="3">nda 14:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * +1 DarkChaosSig.png 15:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * dont fix what isn't broken (oxymoron, because these are stupidly broken). these bars are perfect, the idiot would probably change them to RC + dual woh or some shit like that which is rubbish. Gringo 16:29, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the point, Saint, it's funny to see how random faggots fuck up a good build. [[image:Thunda_Sig_2.png|19px]] <font color="CornflowerBlue" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Thu <font color="IndianRed" face="Comic Sans" size="3">nda 17:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Tbh the dual WoH version is way harder to kill (from my experience). Logically, it just makes more sense. Dual cure is infinitely more effective than divert hexes. With RC and Draw, you have two forms of condi removal (and thus you wont get rocked by a hammer warrior). Any decent ranger can dshot WoH; two is another story entirely. The shovespike I know doesn't bring spirit bond nor res sigs. The entire team has dark escape (at least the monks do). Against good teams, the shove warrior must lineback all game (otherwise it is only a matter of time). You also state in the usage to call "mini" spikes. That is by far the most retarded thing I have ever heard. It is a waste of both time and energy, and will often result in the better team scoring an easy kill. Also, you list no advanced shovespike tactics (lololololol). I don't know all of them personally, but I do know you can grapple and then shove to guarantee a kill (depending on whether or not the monk was KD'd. In addition, you would optimally want to spike a) hammer warriors (due to having a standard 530-60ish health) or b) rangers (when a hammer warrior is not present). Currently, even super defensive corrupt balanced could rape this pretty easily :/. --<font color="Black">Readem 19:36, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * cool story bro. just cuz some retard wrote mini spiek in usage doesn't mean do it. why would a shove warrior lineback? you are running the entire game. why list all the shove spike tactics, when noobs will come on here, use those tactics to be most balanced teams, and make TA a further shithole? on beach tell me how a balance beats this when it just uses the ledges to pop up and down. Gringo 19:34, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * I am glad you chose to respond to my above comment Gringo. I am feeling a bit argumentitive. --<font color="Black">Readem 19:36, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * cool story. did you know that shove actually runs and doesnt 4v4? because you dont lineback when youre running m8. Gringo 19:45, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * You lineback on every map that isn't the beach (it takes about 3 seconds to kill a monk when DE is down; that is why you lineback). As for the beach, you have to come down. Balanced will just stand in that corner otherwise (and since you are shovespike, you have to take initiative lol). I don't know why someone wrote "minispike", which is why I kindly pointed it out to you. As for your whole argument "noobs will use tac-tics, TA suk" don't even bother with that excuse. You suck. Everyone on this wiki (aside from myself, crow, and ska) sucks. If someone can come on to PvX completely unaware of a build's existence, and then read, interpret, understand, implement advanced tactics, and assemble a team (we are talking "noobs" here), then by all fucking means they deserve to rape you and your supposedly "balanced team" in the throat. Well, maybe not your team saint; backbreaker sins and dervish healers tend to fall under the category of shitter, not balanced. --<font color="Black">Readem 20:21, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * you lineback on maps liek ascalon when you use HoS on the bridge, and on lava wehn you run until sudden death? every map has a loophole that shove can abuse. bb sins and dervish healers? i ran a dervish healer the week that pnh and BA and primal were all imba, i took advantage of it, who didn't? since when do i use bb sins? youre turning this into a pissing competition (which between titles and guilds i am/have been core in, i would win, nH is a joke lawlllll). you claim that any good balance can beat shove, which is ludacris. if youre stubborn enough to not listen, then so be it, just keep your pro opinion to yourself for the week that TA is left. also, you said ska was good. thats some kewl fanboi action! Gringo 21:20, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, at a risk of being a cunt, what guilds have you been in other than koss Saint :/? Cos I'd probably rate nH at a higher level than koss, especially back when they first came out with nHway. --Crow 22:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * A pissing contest? Not once have I claimed my guild history or titles; they don't really matter. nH is a guild full of people who used to TA; it always has. Cirq's friends. Cirq's guild. Never has it claimed to be something else. Think what you will. Finally, as for Ska, he was core smite rt for prar. He is probably one of the coolest people on this site (in the likes of Skuld, ect). O, and he is better than you. --<font color="Black">Readem 23:58, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

continue Rawrawr Dinosaur 00:20, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * well readem making statements like "im better then you" and "only 3 ppl here dont suck" usually take either someone well known making them (check /no/ in this box) or someone with history/titles backing them up. because you used ot play with cirque and his cool 4 healer gvg guild you are good? or because you used to TA with them you're king of the world? for the sake of not looking like an ass in front of crow: ah, yawn, glhf, koss, srs, and with koss: hapy,pvp,gast,ger etc. but im not trying to whip readem with history (in which yea crow, you have more of then me, and ill gladly say you are a much better gvger), im just saying that to make his bold statements he should at least back them up. Gringo 02:24, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * i would just stop talking saint--Relyk 02:35, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * ink as in Our Sexy Monks Make You? And Relyk, you should just stop living. 72.94.131.232 03:01, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * log in fgt--Relyk 03:22, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Um. I really don't see what you are getting at Saint. I don't know any of those guilds; should I? Are they new or something? As for titles, I am glad 8. Can I talk about TA now? As for GvG, you might be better. I don't know. - <font color="Black">Readem 03:39, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * ok so if you dont know then why say things like only 3 people here are good? i can't follow the logic. Gringo 03:46, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because if I don't know you are good, then there is a 98% chance you are bad. --<font color="Black">Readem 03:48, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I am probably better at GvG. Probably, as in a 98% chance. --<font color="Black">Readem 03:50, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * ur a funny kid captain seckspants. Gringo 03:51, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * also, i repeat pissing competition. Gringo 03:53, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is your 2% bro. --<font color="Black">Readem 04:07, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * thats a pretty kewl story. Gringo 04:15, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

"Everyone on this wiki (aside from myself, crow, and ska) sucks."
u mad? <font color="Red">Ben <font color ="Cyan">..Squint 21:25, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * readem is just trolling--Relyk 01:51, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ofc he is. It probably makes him feel good inside that he is (arguably) better than others at an online game that has been dead for months.  <font color="Red">Ben <font color ="Cyan">..Squint  03:09, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not dead, it's just doing thriller before it has a heart attack and slumps over. (too soon?) -- Ikimono <font color ="Brown">"...And my axe" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 03:34, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * You just got 10 baed points <font color=Orange face="Comic Sans MS">Shazzy diddles 03:40, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * mj was a pretty crappy singer and mediocre performer. he was one fked up individual who perpetrates all the screwed up aspects of american taste in gimmicky song routines and terrible lyrics. gogo off topic--Relyk 03:43, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. His dancing was very difficult to mimic, and, at the time, was popular and cool.  Additionally, his performances inspired some of the most successful performers today.  So he isn't cool anymore...You can't expect him to be popular when the trends of his time varied so differently.  <font color="Red">Ben <font color ="Cyan">..Squint  03:49, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Relyk you just made one of the dumbest statements of all time. If you've heard any MJ that was made before the last ~10 years, you would find it virtually impossible to argue with the fact that since he was 4 years old he had just about the biggest range, vibrato, and consistency of anyone in the business. I'm a horn player and I can tell you that he's an amazing singer. You know, you might as well have called Robert Downy Jr. a terrible actor because he was put in prison for waking up drunk and naked in a kid's room. Owait Iron Man pulled him out of his ditch :X <font color=Orange face="Comic Sans MS">Shazzy diddles 04:16, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * yea relyk wasnt at all being sarcastic/trying to troll. goddamn guys, even crossfire could have picked up on that one. Gringo 04:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop ruining my drama ffs <font color=Orange face="Comic Sans MS">Shazzy diddles 04:24, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't troll about MJ. That's simple blasphemy.-- Ikimono <font color ="Brown">"...And my axe" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 05:43, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just letting you know, dead game joke only really works if you were good at the game before it was dead and have quit now. --Crow 15:16, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, umad is very old and has been for a while. --Crow 15:17, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah because you totally weren't nobody before the game died. And umad? is classic, only a newfag would say something like that.
 * Crow has the status to say that tbh. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 17:03, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww is Crow's circlejerk of whoru's gonna stick up for him now?
 * I have no reason to suck up to himmmm, and I've never done it. /wave. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 17:21, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhh what? I think I've only ever said umad once and that was at somebody who said it quite a lot. Also I know I was a nobody before the game died, I've never said otherwise lol. It would help if I knew who was attempting to flame me though, since you're probably even more of a shitter :>. And why would you say newfag, honestly? --Crow 17:48, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * And how does that make you feel? <font color="Red">Ben <font color ="Cyan">..Squint  18:35, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * How does what make me feel? --Crow 18:46, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * How does it make you feel that Ben's mom exploded to the size of your "street-flopping-epeen" when you cybered with her? -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 19:14, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * So that's how she got her AIDS. <font color="Red">Ben <font color ="Cyan">..Squint  20:40, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just viruses tbh. -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 07:10, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * im sure there is a term for a population getting stupider as time passes by--Relyk 21:13, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Relykisation. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   23:07, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * that's pretty weak misery--Relyk 02:21, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Entropy ;o -- -Chaos- (talk) -- 07:10, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

AHEM. I don't suck at Guild Wars. I just troll a lot. Those who make Guild Wars their form of social interaction and those who play Guild Wars to have fun/kill time are squarely in two different camps. Sadly, those in the latter tend to have a lot of terrible idiots making them look worse. Just because I don't have a tiger or some champ rating doesn't mean I'm bad, it means I've had vagina at least a few times this year and (unlike some of you elitist faggots on PvX) I didn't pay for it. <3 ~ Big    sysop  02:28, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, Big, don't be a shitter. Caring makes you a shitter. [[Image:Misery_Cow.png|19x19px]] <font color="#00dd00">Misery <font color="#00ee00">Says <font color="#00ff00">Moo   06:29, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Godliest once told me you are srs bsns pve, so you must be good :> Brandnew 06:38, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Guild Wars. [[image:Thunda_Sig_2.png|19px]] <font color="CornflowerBlue" face="Comic Sans" size="3">Thu <font color="IndianRed" face="Comic Sans" size="3">nda 01:17, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Everyone sux at Shovespike
Ive never seen anyone but goth or puu that can shovespike... and you should NEVER have to prot defense. Biggest way people fail at this is not using the terrain, failing at kiting, or being a slow return. but otherwise ive got no complaints. <font color="Gray">The <font color="Blue">Wojo 01:46, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * shovespike is fun if you don't hate it tbh--Relyk 03:23, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Lololololol I'm not in either of those guilds and I wiped your team Shove v Shove
 * Whoru?--<font color ="Blue">Ikimono <font color ="Brown"> "...And my axe!" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 23:51, October 21, 2009 (UTC)