Archive talk:W/Me Unstoppable Forge Runner

1st build in a while. I think its a great improvement to the old drok's runner.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * I think "I Am Unstoppable!" combined with Soldier's Speed is a great addition to the original Bold Forge runner build. I am not sold on the Signet of Removal however.  Since Holy Veil is really the only enchantment, and since it usually will be shattered by the Avicara when running though the Worm tunnel at the beginning of Lornar's Pass, this signet won't function unless Holy Veil is put up again.  Sometimes this is difficult to do since aggro from the Avicara may not have been broken before exiting the tunnel and encountering the Ice Golems.ImperialMike 15:42, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * I also think additional KD protection is needed beyond simply "I Am Unstoppable!". I would still include Balanced Stance with Charge for safety.

I think I prefer a build similar to this: ImperialMike 14:30, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Could you possibly use Divert Hexes instead of SoR? with alittle investment in prot you can get rid of more than one hex/condition. and if you were to do that use Purifying Veil instead of Holy Veil? Quackerz0 14:48, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * The advantage of Holy Veil is the doubling of the hex cast time, not just the hex removal aspect of that skill. Usually condition removal/reduction is not as important.  I Am Unstoppable! removes and prevents crippled, which is what is generally feared by the runner.  Feel No Pain could be used to counter degeneration as well as provide a general healing skill for the running. ImperialMike 15:42, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Add "I am the Strongest" to abuse Soldier's Speed.--Coloneh 16:30, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Essentially you replace Sprint with "I Am The Strongest" and use Soldier's Speed as your only speed buff stance. Doesn't really save you a slot, but does mean less energy is used during the run. ImperialMike 18:05, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Good Idea, ill change that right now.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * oh and the avicara never been a problem for me.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * FGJ! /"Can't Touch This!" better for that since they last longer than "I Am The Strongest!" ... plus cant touch this can be up at all times I I I Iwan  13  20:13, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Hopefully you'll realize that I Am The Strongest never ends since the runner never attacks. This shout has no duration and thus lasts the entire time the runner is in the zone and doesn't attack. ImperialMike 21:30, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * now how did i miss that ? ... at any rate.. that skill is pending for anet great hammer of NERF :/ I I I Iwan  13 11:40, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Need for Tactics attribute?
Is the Tactics attribute needed if we use Enraging Charge and Sprint instead of Solder's Speed? If the runner can get by with I Am Unstoppable as the only KD defense and does not need Balanced Stance, then Tactics skills could potentially be eliminated, freeing those attribute points for Protection or Healing attributes from the Monk profession.ImperialMike 16:23, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * This build doesn't use healing or protection prayers. &mdash; [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]Victoryisyours (talk /RfA ) 16:33, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * True, but it could. Cure Hex for example. ImperialMike 16:49, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Signet of Removal
Testing the build with Signet of Removal, I ran into some difficulties. The main problem was Rust. Coming out of the Worm tunnel the Ice Golems put both Rust then Deep Freeze on me. Trying to use Signet of Removal with Rust on makes this skill extremely slow to get off. In addition, once Holy Veil is shattered or used, Signet of Removal is useless. I actually had an easier time of it using Remove Hex instead. I ran with no Elite skill, and included Feel No Pain in the Optional Slot. So far, I'd vote to replace Signet of Removal with a different hex countering skill. ImperialMike 23:53, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Maybe remove hex and defy pain?.im unable to test ATM, but i just feel weird w/o using an elite.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 

Why I am the Strongest?-- Fire Tock  00:10, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * its a shout that last forever, so you can use it with soldier's speed.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 

Signet of removal is meh.Bob fregman 02:27, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * ideas?-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * looks pretty cool, can't really think of another elite though. defy pain might be the best option.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 00:57, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * Defy Pain is an adrenaline based elite skill. I doubt that a runner will build up enough adrenaline to make this skill a good choice! I think people need to think out of the box a little bit and consider that NO elite isn't necessarily a bad thing. ImperialMike 21:57, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Balanced Stance
You said for the optional slot you could put in Balanced Stance at any Norn TItle, Balanced STance is Tactics, not a title.-- Fire Tock  09:13, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * fixed it up, what i meant was "IAU!" at any norn title, along with balanced stance would be constant anti-kd.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 

W/me
with the recent update im changing and adding hex breaker+remove hexes.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 

Note: Due to recent updates "Hex Breaker" is no longer a stance which makes this build even more useful by virtue of being able to keep up "Soldier's Speed and "Hex Breaker" at the same time.

Edit the variants please all messed up 88.107.63.216 10:14, 10 February 2008 (EST)

20 tactics?
just adding that if you have 15 tactic you will have a stance that doesn't have a down time and more healing power if you add heal sig.Iron Tsunami 17:52, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * not worth it at all.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 

for the optional slot you might consider dwarven stabability from the derlver title track,it increases the legth of stances hence you end up having a 25% run 100% of the time
 * not worth it at all, downtime is 2 seconds.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic

Balanced stance in variants?
Balanced Stance is a stance meaning it will cancel out soldiers speed so its definatly a no go. --Mr. Builder 20:50, 7 March 2008 (EST)
 * its useful.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] aesthetic
 * Yep. It's either getting KD'd with a speed boost on you, or walking, without getting KD'd. Rickyvantof 21:50, 7 March 2008 (EST)

How to completely betterify this
first off, warriors have plenty of speed boosts. Soldier's speed = phail. 25% speed boosts are slow enough already, but one that can't even be maintained isn't worth it. If you want this to be a good build, I would advise bringing something like this. [build prof=w/me Tactics=12+1+1 Str=10+1 dom=6 insp=6][Charge][Balanced Stance][Sprint][I am unstoppable][healing signet][signet of stamina][hex breaker][inspired hex][/build] or, you could alternatively use charging strike, with something like this [build prof=w/me Tactics=8+1 Str=12+1+1 dom=8 insp=7][Charging Strike][Sprint][I am unstoppable][healing signet][signet of stamina][endure pain][hex breaker][inspired hex][/build] or, to use this with expel hexes, [build prof=w/me Tactics=18+1 Str=12+1+1 dom=10][Enraging Charge][Sprint][I am unstoppable][healing signet][signet of stamina][hex breaker][Expel Hexes][Endure Pain][/build] all of these builds i have posted will work fine. again, these are only suggestions for if you want this build to ever be used. I have only seen it used as posted on the page once in game by another player. He failed in lornars pass. Invincible Rogue 12:10, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Due to the buff on Sprint, it could do as being the only speed skill with Soldiers having 2 sec downtime Sprint has only 1 sec. Palin Oni 03:37, 25 March 2008 (EDT)Palin Oni
 * but there's still a downtime, which makes it slow. As a warrior with no shadow steps, you NEED to have a constant speed boost. using one skill is not good. Invincible Rogue 19:09, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

I just tried the build as posted and made it on my first ever try running Droks. Died once because of body blocking. May have been faster with two speed boosts, but it is certainly doable as is. Glendar the Brave
 * Okay, with the temporary update, it is now much smarter to use Charge in the build, not only for the speed but for the fact that hex breaker is again a stance for 2 weeks. Believe me, the best set ups for this build are the ones that i have posted, but do what you want... Invincible Rogue 17:00, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
 * troll this page much?.charge isn't good. just QQ for 2 weeks then use the build again.--[[Image:Rebirth Infidel.jpg|21px]] <font color="Black">aesthetic

Archive?
This surely doesn't work anymore. / Fros  T  alk  \ 20:02, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
 * sounds like a good idea, I'll do it if i can figure out how Invincible Rogue 20:17, 11 June 2008 (EDT)