Archive talk:E/any PvP Elemental Attunement Air Magic

I'd put aura of restoration on mainbar, since people have enchantment removal skills most of the time.-- ValeV 666 17:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC) 2 2s casts on the same bar? Seems kind of dumb. PewPew  QQ   21:24, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * kinda hard to find hard hitting ele skills with 1s cast. Dacookiemaster 22:39, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Glyph of Elemental Power
...Why is it not on there? If you go 16 air + 2 + 2 you can easily hit 60 armor targets for 172 damage. It's great for murdering turtles and monks in FA. Not to mention overpowering monks in RA.--TheGatesAssassin 17:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

FA:

[build prof=Ele/any Air=12+2+1 Energy=12+1][Glyph of Elemental Power][Lightning Hammer@19][Shell Shock@19][Chain Lightning@19][Elemental Attunement][Air Attunement@19][Aura of Restoration][Storm Djinn's Haste@19][/build]

Personally, I go for 16 air ele because 172 damage is hilarious. The extra enchantment is for surviving multiple turtle blasts (double covers) and the obvious stuff. LH on 60 armor is about 172 and Chain Lightning is about 120. Blind is kinda stupid there since you have eight Warrior at all times flooding the place.--TheGatesAssassin 17:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The only reason this build exists is because EA comes with a convenient GoEP (bar compression). Still, I don't think it's worth your elite to be able to spam 2s cast LHammer+12dmg. Interrupts make this look silly. Fianchetto 18:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And if you interrupt a sin's lead, they look silly. Doesn't make the class or build bad. All elementalist skills are easy to interrupt on purpose. Besides, you have a 40/40 set for this very reason. Any semi competent interrupter can shutdown an elementalist completely. This is no different. If nothing else, Glyph of Elemental power and Storm Djinn's should at least be optionals.--TheGatesAssassin 17:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is sort of different because you'll be 2s casting about half the time, even more with ChainL Fianchetto 18:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * How many interrupts do you have? If you say Pblock, I say that works just the same for anyone. If you say ranger, you need to start using walls. Besides, they destroy eles anyways. The point is that you have essentially infinite energy and plenty of spells to cast. If it doesn't go through, it doesn't matter. You cast the next one like nothing happened. --TheGatesAssassin 04:45, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Or just avoid so many 2s casts so you don't get rupted in the first place. I think that's what we were talking about. Fianchetto 16:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Arcane Echo?
I used a build like this before the update (excited to try it with the buff) using Arcane echo to echo Lightning hammer to do big damages to everything. Use with a 40/40 and you can get 100DPS no problem. EtherealHeritage 01:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Optionals
a) I think the list could be smaller. b) Last I looked, nobody uses Mantra of Resolve (PvP) for a good reason. 5 second duration, 10 energy cost, 10 prevention cost. Chieftain  Alex  20:04, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

"Air Ele"
If this truly an "Air Magic Ele," then the ele itself should be open to other decent skills like Gust, Thunderclap, or even skills like BSurge or Invoke (which is still viable fyi.) Having it like this along with expanding the tags creates a general base of what an air magic ele should be. That is how, when other builds come along, such some I have made, can just be merged onto this. It's fast, easy, frees the hassle of making more ele pages. Also, Elemental Attunement is good, but this build can just be open to more. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]   00:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * According to that logic, all standard bars with differing elites should be merged. If it bugs you, do a guide writeup -- Gale  LUVS PEACHES! 06:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's more like naming the 'WoH Monk' bar as 'Healing Prayers Monk'. If the meta had only one decent Air Magic build then maybe the title could be appropriate, in a comedic sense. But it's not, it's trash. --Silven Shadow 11:59, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I dunno why you would do that. I mean you swap Word of Healing for Healing Burst on a monk and the bar is still essentially the same. You swap Elemental Attunement for Blinding Flash or Gust, you are going to play very fucking differently. This bar is about spamming like a retard. You can't do that with another air elite. All that said, I assume your complaint is gone with the name change. A new misery  12:40, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Because there are other viable elites. You can run other skills besides elemental attunement and still use this build effectively. If I were to make a build with an air elite, it would be similar to this just because the mainbar skills are just to damn restrict to NOT choose anything else. (If that makes sense.) Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 03:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Juding by the moronic votes, do any legitimate complaints matter anymore? I mean I guess I don't mind too much, I just spent an entire weekend rolfstomping idiots who use this so it ends up good for me, but I just guess I just don't like it when people, as a community, get dumber. --Silven Shadow 13:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Archival?
What is the point in running this build over, say, lightning surge? The only reason you need EA is lightning hammer, which is basically inferior to the 5 energy lightning strike. Lightning surge elementalists have more damage compression abilities, are less easy to interrupt, are not as dependent on enchantments and bring more tactical possibilities through the knock downs. The only point of this would be to run it in a spike team (i.e. HA), but as the build is only marked for hotjoin PvP modes that isn't the intention either. --Krschkr (talk) 00:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks like it was originally voted into great with 5 or so people, and then later that year more people came in to downvote it after playing with/against it (at this point there are no great votes coming in). The 2018 votes are all negative as well. So I don't see why this should remain in the build space. I'm not sure it's even worthy of archival, but maybe that would be better in case someone wants to revive it later with a different bar. -Toraen (talk) 01:07, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It was part of the build namespace for years and received plenty of votes. I don't think we should skip the archive for it. But I'll cut the archiving process short by sending the build there right now. If someone disagrees with the archival it can still be discussed later. --Krschkr (talk) 09:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)