Archive talk:W/any Dragon Slash Warrior

Discussion
Why does a very energy-light build(so energy-light that people actually sometimes run gale on it) that is optimally switching targets every 3 or 4 attacks have flail as its IAS? --Edru viransu 21:47, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
 * Some hooligan changed it =P - Skakid9090 22:08, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Omigawa Notes
Do not run this build. The absolute only advantage to this build is the deep wound (granted, which is a huge benefit, but not worth the other crappy skills) You do not run sun moon without increased adrenaline gain or conjure x. It is a waste of a skill.

The damage of this build is crappy compared to a much simpler sword build : Galrath Slash | Silverwing Slash | Dragon Slash | For Great Justice (You get +42 damage every single hit. This is the most damage you will get from a warrior. If you don't like the cooldown on FGJ bring Enduring Harmony [p])


 * Are you kidding? Deep wound and bleeding spam > galrath/silverwing spam. This build is the absolute best warrior builds in terms of pure pressure damage. Besides, for great justice is just a bad skill. Enduring Harmony is bad too. The combination is also bad. For 15 energy, you get 50% increased adrenaline gain two-thirds of the time? --Edru viransu 21:20, 12 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Sun and Moon is a staple in any dragon slash build.  Dragon slash makes all your adrenaline skills 5a effective.  Sun and Moon drops that to 4a which is is significant.  This build is the standard dps machine template that people use in GvG.  It's strong but vulnerable to disruption (missed dragon slash is horrible) and it takes a long time to build that initial charge making it weak in splits.--Symbol 05:19, 19 June 2007 (EDT)


 * For great justice is actually very good now that it's been buffed. On this bar, it makes dragon slash fuel itself.  That said, Omigawa's posted build is still terrible.  NO warrior should ever run without deep wound.  EVER.  Even if it's a random deep wound like a retarded steady stance build.  Sun and Moon Slash is still good on this bar, because it's still a (slight) adren gain, works as a +30 damage or so attack, and goes through wards, aegis, or guardian.  Pluto 03:24, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * FGJ is fail on DSlash because spamming Dslash is useless if you're not doing it just to spam the rest of the bar. --Edru viransu //QQ about me /sysop 03:26, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Checked and Reviewed
For Viability. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 16:54, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

How is this for RA with no self healing... frvwfr2  (talk · contributions) 22:47, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
 * munks =D - Skakid9090 22:58, 14 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Cuz dragon slash pwns. That's why. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 00:05, 15 June 2007 (EDT)


 * How Bout Nukers? they dont hav very effcient self-healing yet they're not complained


 * Usually they got Aura of Restoration, which when spamming spells is as good as other self heals (monks excluded). "Dragon slash pwns" isn`t argument -_-... But for RA just drop protector and take Lion. Also, the "any armor will work" is true, as most builds can work with any armor, the question is, which is the best? Here I would recomend Sentinel/Survivor, but never Radiant. Uh, forgot sig --DragonLord 05:06, 20 June 2007 (EDT)


 * Tbh, Nukers with AoR are usually newbs. Sorry to burst your bubble :). Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 19:19, 30 June 2007 (CEST)


 * You don't need self-healing to do well in RA, even without a monk. --Edru viransu 06:23, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Dragon Slash sucks?
 * bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ya right - Skakid9090 º_o 10:02, 30 June 2007 (CEST)

Why are you not trying this build. I think you can beat some guys with this build because I did it so many times

Attributes and Skills
[build prof=warri/any swords=12+1+1 streng=12+1][barbarous slice][gash][silverwing slash][dragon slash][tiger stance][enraging charge][endure pain][resurrection signet][/build]

Use Enraging charge first, barbarous slice for bleeding, after gash for deep wound, dragon. Try to cast tiger stance after barbarous. You can change endure by some self-healing if you want.
 * Because the standard dragonslash is better? --Edru viransu 20:04, 2 July 2007 (CEST)

Are u kidding...This one is better.. I have tested the two builds and this one is better..I never need adrenaline with this build and with the other one yes... And I killed so many people including normal dragonslasher. So **** **

Fascinating, /yawn, the last argument is best (so **** **). You cannot make chain of adrenaline attacks either. You need to attack with no skills as well, even longer (S&M give +1 adrenaline in result). Endure Pain is sooo godly skill... And of course you can pwn all enemies, except those who are kiting. Btw sign yourself after you write something on talk pages (second pic from right) --DragonLord 16:15, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

Let me analyze your build and point out some of the worst flaws in it. You have barbarous slice. You have tiger stance. You have endure pain. You have Silverwing Slash. You don't take advantage of Dragon Slash at all. You don't have frenzy. You don't have frenzy. You still don't have frenzy. --Edru viransu 21:03, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

Dragon slash is unquestionably the highest dps sword build, and is arguably the best mobile warrior pressure build in the game. That said, I tested your variation in RA. Compared to the posted cookie-cutter, all I have to say is: It sucks.

With the standard cookie-cutter build on the main page, you can hit attack skills continuously with only one autoattack in between your sun and moon and your dragon slash. Sun and Moon is necessary and better than the above because (1.) the double strike has warrior strength bonus (2.) is more likely to crit on BOTH strikes and (3.) decreases the time before you need to use another dragon slash. Also, if you haven't noticed, sever, gash, and sun and moon has superior dps to barbarous, gash, silverwing BECAUSE TWO STRIKES = TWO HITS OF VAMP. I'm sorry, but if you don't know how to take advantage of vampiric weapons' dps bonus, then you aren't a high level pvp warrior. Speaking of which, endure pain is NOT a viable skill for PvP, and RE:Frenzy, I must echo Edru above. No frenzy = ftl. By the way, you say you never need adrenaline... well, I'm sorry, where were you playing this? To even get a decent amount of pressure going you need to hit at least 5 autoattacks, and even after you have to hit one autoattack AFTER THE DRAGONSLASH to do it again. The only condition where I could see this working, even as a PvE build, is if there's a spirit of enfuriating heat around. And I'm sorry, that only exists in PvE Kourna, where the cookie-cutter dragonslash owns even more.

ON ANOTHER NOTE, I discovered the beauty of this build independently while getting my warrior through factions. It's now my favorite build to run in AB and TA, particularly when it's backed up by orders. Sun and Moon + vamp weapon + orders = pwnt.

--Kaelor 14:07 20 July 2007 (CEST)

Is it just me or are people ignoring the fact that you still take DOUBLE DAMAGE when you use frenzy. Personally I prefer using Flail. The 33% less movement might be a bit on the harsh side, but at least I don't die from one well coordinated strike while Flailing my opponent. I find Frenzy a bit overrated compared to other skills. FenrirOfSleipnir 23:04, 21 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I have died maybe once while in Frenzy in PvP(I die a lot frenzying in pve... but my warrior's got starter armor and is level 9 or so...). I warrior a lot, and use Frenzy whenever not running a hammer build. --Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me 23:09, 21 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Frenzy is for good warriors. Flail is for Hammer warriors, bad warriors, or pve.  Pluto 03:30, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * If you can't handle frenzy, you shouldn't be warrioring in PvP. You don't have enough tactical or positional awareness to do it. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 03:33, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

For Great Justice now viable?
With the recent buff to FGJ, I feel it should now be incorporated into the build. Probably take out Protector's Strike for it. Imagine the power of Dragon Slash spam.Freakonut 14:45, 25 August 2007 (CEST)
 * You are right for PvE. For PvP, the strength of this is the Bleeding and Deep Wound spam fast enough to outpace an RC monk and a drawbot. Also the spamming of damaging attacks helps too, but the condition pressure is the biggest part. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 20:22, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

It's just a simple variation of the build. The main strength compared to the other build is that you can get away your Barbarous directly. By using Enraging Charge and then For Great Justice just before hitting the target you will get 6 adrenaline which is enough for Barbarous Slice to start of the chain. Then you shouldn't have much problem following up with the attacks and repeat.
 * No IAS is fail. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 20:44, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Asdfg 20:50, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * No cancel for frenzy is fail. Enraging Charge is not a frenzy cancel. Enraging charge is To The Limit, not Sprint. Also, no SaMS means you really fail outside of FGJ. Perma Dslash is for pve. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 22:31, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

why use frenzy man. tiger stance has a longer recharge granted but if u keep canceling frenzy ull be using less time within the 33% attack speed. frenzy ftl, well not all the time but it can be pretty devastating getting hit by invoke lightening, rodgorts, double dragon or basically anything while in the stance bcuz u cant always tell when something is targeting u obviously. but this build cant be considered to have dps enuf to kill something that has moderate self heal. shadow refuge at rank 8 basically owns this dps here. this is good with elemental pressure tho or some good interrupt. but ya i suggest using something other than frenzy.. it not only can devastate a tank it can drain ur energy if keep reaplying then canceling. i think the biggest problem is that this is in ab without some really good dps. and this cant cap a thing btw. no heal and no armor boost and no aoe :( overall i think this build should be in the good category. its good in a group of guys but otherwise not good. <font color="Black">Mizzou <font color="#FFFF00">man  20:28, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Again, lern2cancel. There is a reason why you won't see David Holtzmann or other top-level warriors die in Frenzy. This has amazing DPS. Also, sticking together is the most effective way to AB, and besides, it's AB. Who cares about AB? You can win with 2 leechers on your team with horrible builds on the rest. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 20:50, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

i think this is pretty cool variant to this build. basically unblockable dmg bcuz of wild blow. and good IAS and adren gain. and u get cripple so no real kiter threat unless u got a guy using shadow walk or aura of displacement. wat do u think? <font color="Black">Mizzou <font color="#FFFF00">man 20:39, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

Who is David Holtzerman? Remembers me of David Hasselhoff. Both are named David and have a kinda german Surname. Asdfg 20:52, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Someone who's actually good at the game(coincidentally, people who are good at the game, from my experience, do have a life). --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 21:21, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

just another guild wars guy with no life. <font color="Black">Mizzou <font color="#FFFF00">man 21:13, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

i kno who he is and he has no life. <font color="Black">Mizzou <font color="#FFFF00">man 00:34, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Why do you say that? --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 00:37, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

This is my version of the Dragon Slash build. In fact i jsut started my warrior 3 days ago and i actually did not know that this build was on pvxwiki so i made a Dragon Slash build which was this. Trust me i did not know that this build was on pvxwiki. I was gonna post it tomorrow but while i was lookin around and i found this. And the best part about For Great Justice is that once u hit your foe with Dragon Slash u can spam it :D. Linix65 September 20 2007 6:30 pm (CEST)

flail?
should i try bringing flail for this build?--Dark Paladin X 14:12, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * No. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 16:23, 8 December 2007 (CET)


 * Flail=hammers--[[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 16:25, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * "Flail" sounds as "Fail" here :)--[[image:Life Bond.jpg|20px]] Korineczek 04:17, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Sever Artery is redundant after first hit
Since you're using Dragonslash to help spam skills, why're you taking Sever Artery? It does bleeding and nothing else. Gash does some further damage, and reapplies deep wound. Personally I find reapplying a condition without further effects irritating. Take Eviscerate over Dismember, etc. I prefer Galrath, Sun and Moon, Silverwing, Dragonslash. Though that leaves me thinking, why not just a dragonslash spam with 15 swordsmanship, FGJ and IAS? Thats my thoughts on this. <font color="Black">Ritsukaplz 01:11, 28 December 2007 (CEST)
 * Okay, important point about dragonslash: you're there to spam sever-gash minispikes. Dragon Slash every hit is a horrible idea. If you want to do good DPS, just run a axe or a hammer or a scythe. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 20:26, 28 December 2007 (EST)

[StS] has run this with disarm over sams on a /rt for dps, i believe. 09:22, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * Obsed a high ranked GvG recently (Think it was rank 10 and 22 guild) both running the continual DSlash spam variant. Comments on this? Gaypalm 09:46, 12 January 2008 (EST)

GvG meta W/Rt Perma DSlash
Lacks SaMS, but it seems to be meta in GvG, after some time spent obsing. Opinions on this? Gaypalm 09:42, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Extremely strong bar imo, being run all over the place. 12:57, 12 January 2008 (EST)

If you're going to run in in GvG I think you need great justice to make it effective enough as a frontline.--Angel 17:33, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Suggested Variant
Lion's Comfort for RA/low level PvP instead of FGJ. With the change to the skill on the 6th, you get a 100 hp heal without more att investment, which helps charge D-Slash, which in turn helps charge Lion's Comfort, etc. comments? - <font face="Courier New" size="2" color="black">Generic Wiki-er  22:09, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Removed Berserker Stance from variants.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  19:14, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Hamstring+Knee Cutter
Could be used instead of Sever Artery+Gash, especially if you want to use Enraging Charge+Flail instead of Frenzy+Rush. You can maintain cripple on your target for free, and it also helps during "For Great Justice!"'s downtime because it helps charge Dragon Slash. -Mike 20:07, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Should I just add it to Variants? -Mike 20:55, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 * No. --71.229 20:56, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
 * That's a horrible idea. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:24, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Frenzy and Dragon Slash
I guess I am a noob for asking this, but why Frenzy? You say to cancel it, but I can never cancel it in time before taking considerable damage. I am not saying frenzy is bad, but how am I supposed to anticipate damage all the time while conctrating on other things? Please suggest something. And using FGJ and Dragon Slash to spam dragon slash repeatedly is working pretty effectively damage-wise, is that how I should use it? Cecil 16:51, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
 * The easiest way to determine when to cancel Frenzy is by looking at the damage monitor. If you already see two or more skills it's better cancel. If you know the skills or builds better you can predict what skills will be used on you for example if you got Blinding Surge you will likely get Lightning Orb too. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">TALK  17:22, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Just cancel it when you see a warrior attacking you or about to attack, or when something ranged starts to attack you. It's a good idea to cancel it if you see something like Lightning Orb being cast in your direction too. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  17:30, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Its how you use frenzy, not how u gain adrenaline. You use frenzy only for a short amount of time, it basically depends on how lucky you are if you take heavy damage. Players use it cause its the most advanced IAS. Except for Hammer War's they use Fail cause they KD &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.8.128.165 (contribs).

RIP
FGJ nerfed Syn 17:31, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh Im bad
I don't know how to revert; do it for me please. Brandnew. 17:50, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Archive
Don't imo. This still works, it's just not quite as good as before. Votewipe and revet it. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  17:58, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * That's why I asked for a revert. Brandnew.  17:59, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Put it back into testing, since the build has changed majorly. / Fros  T  alk  \ 18:03, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * This was vetted with S&MS. Just FYI. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:03, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Was it, ok then my bad, didn't know that. / Fros  T  alk  \ 18:08, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Always check the history of a build before doing stuff to it. =) &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:09, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * RIP dragon slash build, FGJ got uber nerfed.--Dark Paladin X 20:15, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's still great, just no more complete spammage, still LOTSA SPAM / Fros  T  alk  \ 20:17, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It still fuels adrenaline a lot, just not as much as it did before. --Guild of Deals<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 20:22, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Indeed, still can spam conditions, and S&MS slash isn't bad. Back to the original :] Gogey 20:26, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Read above comments, User:Dark Paladin X. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:11, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * The purpose of this build was to spam Dragon Slash, but now, it's ruined due to For Great Justice nerf. I'll have go with the axe now thanks a lot ANet.--Dark Paladin X 08:20, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * No, that's only the purpose if you're a terrible war. The purpose is to charge Sever and Gash extremely quickly for mini spikes and pressure. It still does that fine. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  08:21, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Who ran this with "FGJ!" anyway...? Mini spikes with lots of deep wound spam is much stronger than that. God  box    08:38, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Sever->Gash->DS->DS->DS(etc until DW is gone)->Sever->Gash->DS->repeat ad nauseum. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  08:42, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Sever->Gash->Dslash->Prot goes up->Target switch->Sever->Gash->Dslash->Repeat and don't be a bloody euro. - 08:46, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * ups. forgot about monks and rits. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]] <font color="#D70000"> sexiness!  08:50, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Invisible!
This build does not appear on the list of PvP builds. 68.231.12.44 15:45, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Damn it. Now it does. wtf. 68.231.12.44 15:46, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It probably required a hard refresh. It can be done manually by holding Ctrl and pressing F5. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:46, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Archive - Take Two
Conjured Cripslash deals as much damage, and can Cripple, and because of it, Dslash has been replaced by Cripslash in most of PvP. ــмıкε нaшк  16:59, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * it's just so outdated now, still ok but compared to cripslash (which IS the sex) it's pretty medicore. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 17:00, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Dragon Slash is an overated skill in PVP. just run Battle Rage and you will get better success... Jjberks 19:51, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I don't believe Warrior builds should be archived unless they are hit with nerfs or become completely outdated, since there is one primary objective for a warrior-kill stuff, and while some casters can fall out of the meta due to buildwars, a warrior's job will always be there. And this isn't completely outdated since it is still useful for recharging the sever-gash combo quicker for pressure. I'd rather keep it in Good, where it is now, instead of Archiving it because it isn't totally inferior to Cripslash, so it deserves a spot in the Build database.--TheHunger 20:08, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, if it drops to Other, it should be archived. I'll ask for a vote wipe first, though. ــмıкε  нaшк  20:12, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

This needs fucking archive. You can say warrior builds blablabla didnt got nerf, but if nobudy bothers to run it anymore it's outdated. Like this. Cripslash adds versility, an interupt and actually about the same damage through conjure. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  05:12, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I was even worse than I am now at the time, but if i recall correctly, cripslash has fallen out of the meta numerous times, and we never got close to archiving it. Its weird how we're all acting like its this new skill, but its just more of the same. --Dark0805 ( Rant /<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions ) 22:05, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Actually Harry ^ is right, this is still good, imo. It still works and even in the current meta would do well, not as good as criplash but still as lol dw spreader. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 14:44, 19 October 2008 (EDT)