User talk:Fabcook

Use the show preview or minor edit button when doing several small edits to one page. You're clogging up recent changes. Thanks. 22:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Much better, appreciate it. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 23:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * no problem, thx for the tip Fabcook 23:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, you should expect your build to be moved to your userspace/deleted when you're not looking - it has the appearance of being inferior to almost all of our vetted 7h stuff. Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx  00:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No but seriously, there's the show preview button for a reason. P e W  :> 16:50, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, I hope it will be tested at least : i'm a truly xp player (10k+ hours), and trust me it's worth a discord. I've used both discord (with a M lead) and this team (with D) for complete vanquish and it turned out to be even better in some places (like south of beacon's perch, or slavers' exile for elite zones). Please, at least TEST IT before taking action. Fabcook 00:17, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hours played isn't a reflection of experience. I'll warn you now, users won't waste the time testing a build they know is obviously gimped or bad.-- Relyk 00:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I thought testing was the procedure, isn't it ? At least please keep it on my userpage. And, dude, hours played is the very definition of experience...Fabcook 00:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all, I played consistently for two years, got a few thousand hours on and had no idea what I was doing. Experience comes from looking through builds, a ton of theorycrafting, a large amount of time testing many varieties of builds, and to put it simply, competitively playing the game in order to produce the best bars and tactics.-- Ultimak719 LIKE A BOSS!  00:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

hum, I see what you mean and I'm glad that you used this definition, coz it defines what I've been doing for the last six years, creating HA winning teams, playing missions just to test a single skill variation, studying AI and its use of every specific skill, playing all professions with a great variety of builds. I also happened to create homemade versions of teambuilds before seeing some else posted them here (like discord and paraway).There are some HA winning teams I created (when the place was still very competitive) that don't make me as proud as I am about the D-Lead Pressway. Isn't testing the procedure ? Fabcook 01:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Moved build
has been moved to due to PvX:NAME. Sorry I didn't mention this sooner, and you ended up creating the page again :/-- Relyk 14:28, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I take it you haven't had a read of the New User Guide? There's a few things you should probably have a read over. P e W  :> 14:30, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

ok I deleted the first version. Fabcook 14:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Indenting
Use it to react to a person, for example, your previous person use ::(Comment)(Sign). You should then use :::(Comment)(Sign) if you'd like to react to him. Cheers, --  Sh @ dow / /  Haze  15:30, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * (react get) [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] 15:50, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Testing


GW is not hard. The majority of skills are simply inferior to the standard OP ones. You don't have to test out a build to know it's going to be crap. A skill tells you what it's gonna do and does it. If there are anomalies, GWW will tell you. Of course, it's a bit harder to see the overall picture in 7 Hero builds, but it's not hard to know something is bad if it's using clearly inferior skills like Spirit Burn, Gaze from Beyond, Signet of Weariness, Distortion, or Ethereal Burden. Adding three healers when you'd be far better off with a damage-utility character is another easy sign to spot. Anyway, the point is that testing things only goes so far, and the majority of one's reasoning should come from actually looking at the skills and their synergies, because the game is easy enough at this point that you can get away with running essentially whatever you want. -- Jai .  -  02:11, April 28 2012 (UTC)
 * Same goes for dedicated tanks outside an SC. Falrach 04:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry jai, but coming from you that's just an excuse not to test. You never test anything. That's why your theory-crafting is severely retarded a lot of the times. Make no mistake that I agree with you in this situation, but you constantly compare theory-crafting to testing and there really is no comparison. [[Image:They.jpg|36px|link=User:They]] - ЯДSКФLИIКФV 08:27, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Jai is the very model of a modern major pvxer forgot that he actually admits to never testing. anything against the "pvx meta" is most likely getting trashed, even though it's fair enough to test the not-obviously-inferior stuff (like when votes vary considerably and/or you have no experience with a playstyle). Fabcook, if you haven't already (i don't know) you may want to test out a bit of what's meta on pvx (7 hero player support, SoLS resto, ST prot, mesmer/rit midline). or you can escape while you can and play the game your own personal way (like Jai said, anything will beat GW) :) &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 18:19, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * We'll have to agree to disagree. There really is no way to use in-game testing alone to decide whether something is truly useful or not, because the variance in different areas, spawns, AI, etc. prevents you from getting any kind of an objective look at the big picture. The closest you can get is with highly one-dimensional tests like Master of Damage. You can test how skills work with AI, but you can find that information from GWW or other players. Outside of that (and also for farming areas where specific skills and/or tactics make the run possible), there's really not much that testing can do that you wouldn't see from simply looking at the skills. -- Jai .  -  23:41, April 28 2012 (UTC)

JAI - I bet you didn't even realize that Gaze from beyond and Spirit burn are here to combine with fevered dreams, which turns their effect in bsurge and sf-like. Inferior skills, superior combos. Synergy FTW Fabcook 22:37, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know what they were for (or at least, I was hoping it was intentional). Unfortunately the damage doesn't get amplified to be AoE, and that's what is actually important. Ineptitude does a similar amount of blind spam, and actually damages stuff. And SF's burning is by no means the reason why it's good. Basically, you're using a bunch of crappy skills together that form a gimmicky synergy that is still inferior to if you had simply slotted decent skills in the first place. Blame ANet for not being able to balance the game properly so that skill synergies like that are actually useful. -- Jai .  -  23:41, April 28 2012 (UTC)

Please just delete my user page. I thought this was an actual wiki, with a serious testing procedure, not some private club run by punks like you who think they hold the truth. Fabcook 23:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Cry moar plox. You seem to be confused on what a wiki actually is. -- Jai .  -  23:54, April 28 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately you can't blank talk pages as it's against policy. If you're actually serious, you can request a perma ban and deletion or your user pages. -- Jai .  -  00:02, April 29 2012 (UTC)
 * Well done for getting rid of a newbie, Jai. You should feel so so proud of yourself right now. btw note he was a derv and fd dazes and inept doesn't. ~Soi_ɹәʞɔ!ʇs 00:08, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa calm down assholes. What's going on here? I cba reading a wall of text, or several in this case. Someone summarize it. -- Big McStrongfist  00:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Jai is basically being a douchebag and has alienated a new user within 2 days. He should be warned about said dickwad behavior. Cɥıǝɟʇɐıu Alǝx  00:40, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I told him his builds were bad. Is that a problem? -- Jai .  -  00:46, April 29 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking back on what was exchanged, yeah... you were a bit dickish about it. I'd suggest toning it down. At least until they understand how this wiki works. This is basically a race to see who can troll the most people away anyway, but not within the users first week. Chillax. -- Big McStrongfist  02:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Come back!
We miss you. - ЯДSКФLИIКФV 03:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)