User talk:Jaigoda/Builds/7 Hero Melee Proposal

Has lots of damage, lots of AoE, and a good amount of defense. Plenty of room for hex/condy removal, and a mainbarred enchant removal. Any suggestions? -- Jai . -  00:55, April 27 2011 (UTC)
 * Arage. You don't really need Life on the healer. At least have RoJ as a variant for the smiter; you've got 2 single hex removals and 2 condition stack removals already, so it'd be fine in areas with less hexes. Weaken Armor would be good to include but I'm not sure of how to fit it in on the curser without dropping something important. -- Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png|link=User:Toraen]] 01:00, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Arage apparently is used badly by heroes. I haven't played in like 6 months, so I don't really know which way, but I just didn't add it. It already has massive amounts of AoE anyway with two splinters and the Smites and Shatter Hex and ESurge and everything else. RoJ really isn't that great, but alright. Yeah, Weaken Armor would be nice. Maybe replace PwK or MoP? PwK isn't exactly essential, and MoP is usually bad unless it's micro'd. -- Jai . -  01:18, April 27 2011 (UTC)
 * Im sad that there is no Panic or SS. Anvil God 01:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * SS is shit, Panic is overrated. I could add Panic as a variant for certain areas, but for most places it's simply not worth it. -- Jai . -  01:25, April 27 2011 (UTC)
 * What Toraen said pretty much covers it. Arage is actually used well by heroes, they just use it when an ally is adjacent to 2+ enemies. There's never enough AoE :D. RoJ isn't the best ever, but it beats other possible elites on a smiter. You've got hex/condition removal covered sufficiently already. Panic isn't needed indeed, ESurge is great, you can always switch to Panic in certain areas if needed. Instead of the Smiter, have you thought about an N/Mo Orders Smite Support (you have the third necro available)? Dzjudz sig.pngtalk 02:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, a N/Mo would work, but I'd just flamed for putting Orders in the build. People fucking hate Orders. :/ If you want ARage, you could replace Life and Shadowsong. -- Jai . -  02:11, April 27 2011 (UTC)
 * At least Dark Fury would be good (since you've got a para and a war/derv is possible for the player slot). Maybe list it as a variant build for the Mo smiter if your player uses adrenaline? -- Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png|link=User:Toraen]] 02:17, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Someone want to fill this out for me so we can vett it? I could do it within a day or two if need be. -- Jai . -  02:31, April 27 2011 (UTC)
 * In its current form, the proposal could already replace, tbh. The roles are pretty much all the same, except for a compression of SoS+SoGM and the addition of a para, and the switch from N/Rt resto to Me/Rt resto. Dzjudz sig.pngtalk 02:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Or it could replace Archive:Team - 7 Hero Melee Support. -- Toraen TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png|link=User:Toraen]] 02:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * True, I just meant to replace the bars in the same build. Maybe easier in a more similar and non-vetted build. Dzjudz sig.pngtalk 02:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, considering I was the one that made the 7 Hero Melee Support and no one particularly liked it, I'm sure few people would have a problem with this replacing it. -- Jai . -  17:09, April 27 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and considering the amount of drama the author of the other build has caused, it would probably be better to let that one just be trashed or abandoned rather than to try to merge it with anything else. -- Jai . -  17:24, April 27 2011 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind, I just spent about an hour figuring out HTML (I'm a scrub), couldn't figure out how to align the OR with the skill bars without breaking the page layout. talk 17:47, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hot damn, very nice! If you hadn't noticed, I had copied from the thing you made on Yuri's talk page, but your change is better. Thanks! -- Jai . -  18:12, May 6 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's what I figured :). I don't know where I got it from, but I used it before in the first couple revisions of the 7HPS build. Looks nice. Dzjudz sig.pngtalk 18:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts
Smite monks are shitty when it's so easy to run SoH + smite hex on a spirit rit. I don't like primary rit healers and channel/commun mix rits. I'd prefer A channeling/smite sos hybrid, a communing rit (either soul twisting or signet of ghostly might), and a nec/rit healer. Drop the smite to make room for the communing rit. Esurge isn't great on mes heroes, they do a lot better with tease/PI/panic. Commandagon is okay but i generally find the an illusion mesmer does more damage/defense. If I get the time later I'll post my current setup.--TahiriVeila 17:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The main point of making the rits as they were was to get two copies of Splinter Weapon. I normally run smite on a rit, but here it just wouldn't seem to work out without sacrificing the second Splinter. I picked ESurge because at the moment the build is lacking a tiny bit in the area of AoE (also why I wanted the Splinter number 2). Panic would be in the variants, though. And yeah, I was debating between a mesmer and a para, but Fall Back and Anthem of Envy are just so sexy. -- Jai . -  18:30, April 27 2011 (UTC)

Or if you're an Assassin, bring the speed boosts yourself.

 &not; «Ðêjh»   (talk)  18:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd advise swapping Fall Back and the res on the illusion and domination mesmers. In my experience the illusion mes more quickly and more often runs out of energy (even with Arcane Conundrum), the domination mes suffers less from energy troubles (especially if you take ESurge). talk 19:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * FB is mainly for out-of-battle use. I put it on the illusion mesmer because I didn't want to take attribute points from the Dom mesmer, since Panic especially needs to be up as much as possible, and taking FC points away would mean a slower recharge. It's not really a big deal either way, but I feel like the Illusion mes has more atts to spare than the Dom. Also, if you bring the Commandigon instead of the Illusion mes, then there's no point in having FB on the Dom, so this way also simplifies the build somewhat. -- Jai . -  20:03, May 6 2011 (UTC)