PvXwiki:Admin noticeboard/Resolved General Issues/Archive 1

Numerous Shouts (and etc) on Images
Some shouts have issues and usually end up with a red link. I usually try it with quotes, without, etc, but nothing works. This on occurs when posting the image directly or more so when using a mini skill bar. Here are some examples:

There's more, I'm kinda just too lazy to scour the depths of PvXwiki to find them. -- Guild of  Moses  22:38, 17 December 2007 (CET)
 * Just re-upload. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 13:01, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * Done... any way someone could check if things have images en masse? I may as well upload any others that are missing, since I'm good at dull drudge work. --Mafaraxas 13:32, 27 December 2007 (EST)
 * Nice job. I know [[Image:"Make Haste!".jpg|19px]] doesn't have one. [[Image:Shogunshen_Holidaysig.jpg|20px]] Shen has cookies 13:37, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Don't know if I'm ringing the paranioa bell again. See Lucian Chapar's vote. He has no contribs either. Aren't 8 required before voting? -- Guild of  Deals  08:17, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Pretty sure of sock, see Mr. Pink57's vote. -- Guild of  Deals  14:37, 25 December 2007 (EST)
 * As far as IP addresses are concerned, Mr. Pink57 is not a sockpuppet of Mahsa (the author of the build). [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  14:39, 25 December 2007 (EST)
 * Sorry, just seemed suspicious. Red page, no discussion, high vote, no Talk/advice on page. Sorry for the false alarm. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  14:58, 25 December 2007 (EST)

GW:EN builds
Until the new stats and skills are made official, there are no grounds for vetting any of these builds. For what it's worth, you might as well be crediting a build with imaginary skills. Until the release and finalization of the accompanying new skills, please refrain from rating any build that has been submitted featuring any of these skills. Any builds with votes already cast on them should have their ratings pages reset until the release of GW:EN, to ensure a fair vetting process for all builds. - Krowman    06:05, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Added a note to Recent news (since you're obviously right).
 * Note to other Administrators: Builds featuring GW:EN skills should remain in the Trial Stages, and, as noted above, any votes should be stricken. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  07:20, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
 * No longer an issue, we can rate GW:EN builds now. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  07:54, 2 September 2007 (CEST)

More vandals and stuff... Can we quit with this SoD crap? *sigh* Viet talk  . 00:35, 11 September 2007 (CEST)

More vandals and stuff... Can we quit with this SoD crap? *sigh* Viet talk  . 00:35, 11 September 2007 (CEST)

Wants to help with the GvG portal. I promised him that if I unblocked him and he screwed around, that I would perma-ban him. Is it ok if I unban him to assist me in this endeavor? —ǥrɩɳsɧ ƿoɲ  18:57, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I'd say no. Was banned on the 11th, will become unbanned the 18th.  Also, I don't want to make it seem like we will do an early unban for anyone who promises to help out with a project or something. Єяøהħ 19:17, 16 September 2007 (CEST)
 * K. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  19:28, 16 September 2007 (CEST)

Removal of delete tags, 5-5-5ing own builds. — Skakid9090 02:26, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
 * You technically are allowed to 5-5-5 your own builds but as long you provide a very good reason. I'll look into it. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  02:32, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
 * So... resolved? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:06, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Yeah, a nice, cooperative user. Good to know they still exist. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  03:10, 21 September 2007 (CEST)

He obviously doesn't understand the vetting procedure and how to rate builds... not really sure if this should be in this section but w/e.&mdash; Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 04:00, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * He's a build now? :D Seriously, someone needs to read Real Vetting to him. Lord Belar 04:05, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Can you show us where he's violated Real Vetting? —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  04:06, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * (edit conflict)If you're talking about Univeratality, that's for if it works outside of what it was designed for & how many things it works for, and obviously alot of builds are just designed for one thing. It's not like I'm rating things like 0-0-0 or anything, if anything I'd be like 5-1-4, as it works awsome, but can only be used for one thing, but is still creative...what's so wrong there???-- §  Eloc   §  04:08, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * hit recent ratings, pretty much any build he rates has an increbily poor reason or he is voting builds 0-0 in universality/innovation b/c they're only used in one place. EC...&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 04:09, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * (edit conflict) "A vote must be based on facts. Votes that are entirely based on a false premise, flagrantly misrepresent a builds ability or demonstrate a minimal understanding of in-game mechanics are considered invalid." He does not give a valid reason for his continual 0-0-0/5-5-5 votes, as pointed out on his talk page several times. Lord Belar 04:11, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * EC...and btw thats exactly what im talking about. just because its only good for one arena doesn't mean universality should go down. You'ev been having a huge outburst of really bad build ratings, and you obviously don't know how voting works here at pvx.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 04:11, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Big outbreak?!? That was just me voting on builds when I was bored, and my ratings didn't deviate much from everyone elses...I explain my reasons and Universitality is for if it can be used outside of what it was designed for. I don't even think I've gone below a 2.5 lately unless it was sheer crap.-- §  Eloc   §  04:15, 6 October 2007 (CEST)


 * 04:32 . . Rt/any Battlebox Spirit Spammer; Rating: 3.55 (good) . . E:4 U:0 I:5 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)
 * 04:31 . . P/W Defensive Anthem; Rating: 3.55 (good) . . E:4 U:1 I:4 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)
 * 04:30 . . R/any Speed Trapper; Rating: 2.1 (trash) . . E:3 U:0 I:0 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)
 * 04:29 . . N/Mo Smite Bomber; Rating: 4.25 (good) . . E:5 U:0 I:5 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)
 * 04:27 . . N/any Bonder's Bane; Rating: 3.7 (good) . . E:4 U:2 I:4 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)
 * 04:27 . . Mo/E Diverted Glyph; Rating: 3.7 (good) . . E:4 U:3 I:3 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)
 * 04:26 . . W/E Obsidian Tank; Rating: 4.1 (good) . . E:5 U:0 I:4 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)
 * 04:25 . . R/any Feral Tank; Rating: 4.4 (good) . . E:5 U:1 I:5 . . Eloc Jcg (Talk | contribs)

I don't see anything wrong here except the low universality but they probably deserved it. —ǥrɩɳsɧ ƿoɲ  04:15, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * That's exactly the problem. He never rates anything high on universality. Lord Belar 04:18, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * BS, I gave a few 4/5's last night, and look, only one was rated trash.-- §  Eloc   §  04:18, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * That's because nothing is universal, lololol. Go vote down touchers, they can't handle stance ending and high damage at the same time!  Go vote down 55s, they can't handle interrupts and enchant stripping!  Not everything can burn, down with SF! --InternetLOL 04:20, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Seriously, vote down all physical damage dealers, they can't handle blocking. Or casters, someone might bring dazed. Lord Belar 04:22, 6 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Rating a bunch of builds good isn't something to be proud of :/ Seriously, the only rating in terms of universality I disagree with him on is the P/W Defensive Anthem, which should be 5-5-5 for meta. Looks good to me otherwise. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  04:21, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I think you mean Effectiveness InternerLOL..-- §  Eloc   §  04:22, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * No, I'm mocking you for voting builds poorly in Universality when there isn't a single build in the game that's perfectly universal and all builds will suck if you use them for something other than what they're specifically designed for. --InternetLOL 04:25, 6 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Just to bring this to a halt- Eloc, reread universality. Cheese, Lord, reread Real Vetting. The idea is that people vote what they want and as more and more people vote, it gets averaged out. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  04:24, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Good idea, it's too late at night to be arguing. :D Lord Belar 04:25, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Ya, I read Universitality and I still think it's fine and dandy. I still believe that if something is designed for Farming only, that it's Universitality will be low as you can't use it anywhere outside of farming.-- §  Eloc   §  04:34, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * lol Scourge Healing, monks can't handle it! BoA can't heal itself, what if it gets snared?  Daze wrecks Elementalists, zero them all! --InternetLOL 04:37, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Cut the shit Internet. Eloc, Universality is rated upon in the arena that the build was designed for. For example, the Me/E MoR Warder should have a 5 universality because it carries counters almost every build known to mankind. In fact, a good team can counter any build in general. Remember- for the area designed, not placed in another arena. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  04:39, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * kk lol --InternetLOL 04:40, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Well, what about "...when used in a different location than originally intended."?-- §  Eloc   §  04:42, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * So you're saying that constitutes a 0 rating on a build used in almost every GvG team arrangement? Just want to make this clear. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 04:45, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Which means only GvG...not anything outside of that.-- §  Eloc   §  04:46, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * So you say that constitutes a 0 rating on a build used in almost every GvG team, right? It was a yes or no question. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 04:48, 6 October 2007 (CEST)


 * It doesn't matter that a GvG build can't function in HA- it's a totally different environment with different goals and metagames. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  04:47, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * This is pointless, please stop. And no, you don't give a GvG build a 0 in Universality because it can't function in RA. [[Image:Hammer And Sickle.png|User:Viet|19px]]Viet talk  . 04:55, 6 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Removed every vote that violated policy which I could find. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  05:35, 6 October 2007 (CEST)

Some admin do something before it becomes User talk:Napalm Flame — Skakid9090 01:24, 29 September 2007 (CEST)

It is over. any more posts/comments will result in an immediate ban. If I partake, Auron plx ban me. Readem (talk *pvxcontribs ) 01:33, 29 September 2007 (CEST)

See above. — Skakid9090 01:30, 29 September 2007 (CEST)

Resolved above. Readem (talk *<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 01:33, 29 September 2007 (CEST)

Mini Skill Bars
.I know we had problems with this before, but it now seems to only affect FGJ. 14:19, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

There we go. Use  instead of. —ǥrɩɳsɧ ƿoɲ  14:32, 2 October 2007 (CEST)
 * thanks, but... is what works for other shouts. .[[Image:Darksig.JPG]] 14:41, 2 October 2007 (CEST)

Fixed. — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 18:20, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

Links to this users' user page redirect to a page that links to one of his builds. Once you get to his real user page, it has a redirect link to his build. On his talk page, there is one of his builds. I post on his talk page about it, but he just wipes my comment and puts up a build there. Im confused =/.--<font color="Orange">Victoryisyours (<font color="Brown">talk _<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 19:07, 13 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Fixed. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  12:56, 15 October 2007 (CEST)

Requesting ban for vandalism, second offense on the same article. --71.229.204.25 00:36, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Blocked for a week. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  00:38, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * What happened to quitting GW grinch?&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 01:09, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I'm still on PvX. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  01:15, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
 * okay... thats not weird...&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 01:17, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Vandalism. --71.229.204.25 08:06, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * User has been warned by Auron. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  01:19, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

5-5-5 spam with reasons "To elaborate... I tested this, so it's 5-5-5". &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 22:34, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Lol and he say's if he submitted it, it's gonna be rated 5-5-5, because thats the quality of his builds or he wouldn't submit them.--[[image:Victoryisyours_Sig_Image.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="darkorange" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="Brown" face="arial bold">is <font color="black" face="arial bold">yours 22:38, 17 October 2007 (CEST)


 * If you'd like I'll just take them down, just let me know. I am happy to remove all the builds I have created. --Ayanamij 10:17, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Simply removing your votes that had a rating of 5-5-5 with the rationale that "that's the quality of [your] builds" will suffice. Otherwise, I'll go around finding them myself. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 10:34, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I don't mind removing the builds ... if no one finds them useful, then they have no place here anyhow. 5-5-5 is not the quality of all my builds; I have a database of about 20 or 25 I circulate for RA with varying degrees of success. The ones I posted here are the best of those. I think the problem with the voting is that a lot of the builds here are general "cure all" builds that, while used for GvG are assumed to work for RA, but in fact, do not. For instance, the RA MoR build has no self heal (suicide in RA, obviously) and the RA SoD build consumes too much mana in RA. It was my attempt to post builds which had a more narrow scope of design but performed better in the given arena (CM, RA). Obviously, I failed, and that's fine. I don't mind removing the builds, since they are just causing clutter at the moment. --Ayanamij 10:52, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * They would have been removed anyways, as an obvious biased author vote. We look at author votes more... heavily? Author's MUST provide reasoning, or it will be removed. 5-5-5 is fine, but say a GOOD reason why. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop/Halo 3 File Share) 12:25, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

This is why I want PvXwiki:No Author Votes — Skakid9090 23:58, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Quite a few of the people can vote on their own builds in a non-biased manner. Totally unneeded. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  00:53, 20 October 2007 (CEST)
 * /cough DE --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 00:55, 20 October 2007 (CEST)

Vandalism --71.229.204.25 02:26, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Fixed. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  03:25, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

Demotion I think is in store for him. He broke the 1RV rule on vote removal, NPA infractions for that same vote, and just general going back to what he was before the last time I did this. This needs to be delt with this time. If letting him slide by is going to be repeated again, I've lost a lot of faith in the wiki's admins. Look here to see what I mean. Bluemilkman /Talk To Me 03:29, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Everyone has their off days every once in a while. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  03:30, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * He's doing the same thing he did before. I'm pretty sure this is a repeat of what he was before. He needs to be dealt with. I respect him as a gamer, I'm sure he's one of the best, but if people skills is what he lacks, he should not be an admin. Bluemilkman /Talk To Me 03:33, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I've snapped before too. Everyone is human. Just part of the human experience. Let him just wait it out and take some pills or meditate a bit or whatever works for him. He'll be back soon anew. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  03:37, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * You've been warned before too, and outbursts are only acceptable to a certain extent. If someone isn't mature enough to just stop posting when they're pissed past the point of NPA, they don't belong in a position of leadership on this wiki. - Auron 03:41, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Wait, how did he violate 1RV by re-removing a vote? If it was exactly the same as the vote that he removed the first time, then bob broke 1RV, not Readem. If not, 1RV doesn't even come into the picture. --<font color="Black">Edru viransu //<font color="Red">QQ about me /sysop 03:39, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * +1 for edru.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 03:40, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * They both broke PW:1RV — Skakid9090 05:07, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * You're all technically wrong abou the 1RV point. It specifies nothing about the removal of ratings, and therefore is invalid. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   06:30, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Precedent says that 1RV applies to ratings. 1RV should probably be updated. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 06:51, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Bit of poking gives us this quote from real vetting: "Each user has the opportunity to change his/her vote any time as the work on the build progresses. This includes the submission of a new vote after a vote was stricken. Note however that the re-submission of the same vote without any further explanation is violating 1RV." -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 06:52, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Meh, good reason to draft a PvX-specific version of the policy. Until then, you can't thump that policy with any relevance. That quote is wrong, rather than referring to policy guidelines that don't yet exist being right. BTW, original poster please provide a link to the actions that have been called into question, so that anyone reading this thread can see what specifically you are talking about. Thanks in advance. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   07:34, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Bob fregman Is what I was talking about, you can find the vote from there. I already posted this link before. I also remember seeing somewhere that taking a vote down more than once is part of the 1RV policy somewhere, and I'll look for it sometime. Bluemilkman /Talk To Me 12:36, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * It's all well and good that someone may have said that at one point; fact is, the policy doesn't mention anything about vote removal. That's what makes it invalid. Edru's points above may apply too, if the user was simply reposting his once-removed vote. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   20:42, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * I vote we talk more about the spirit of the policy than the letter of the policy. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 20:57, 19 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Well, I wrote up this along those lines, but really, a PvX-specific policy would be best. Discussion is welcome. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   20:59, 19 October 2007 (CEST)

User has left the PvXwiki community and stepped down from his administrator status. -- Armond Warblade 21:25, 21 October 2007 (CEST)

Vandal <font color="Red">Viet •  t  /  c  02:51, 26 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Blocked. - Auron 02:52, 26 October 2007 (CEST)

Minor vandalism, changing the categories of builds to trash and good when they should be in great or testing, ect. Also, NPA: calling people idiots and retards :\ <font color="Red">Viet •  t  /  c  06:22, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Should a user really have a redirect to a build on his user page, and a redirect to the build's talk page on his talk page?--<font color="darkorange" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="Brown" face="arial bold">is <font color="black" face="arial bold">yours 02:10, 29 October 2007 (CET)
 * I think the userpage we can't do anything about, but the talk page needs to be changed. Lord Belar 02:28, 29 October 2007 (CET)
 * Resolved. — Skakid9090 02:29, 29 October 2007 (CET)
 * Actually, to clarify. You cannot have redirects on your user page. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 02:47, 29 October 2007 (CET)
 * Good, is that a particular policy? Lord Belar 02:55, 29 October 2007 (CET)
 * Yes'm it is. єяøהħ 12:14, 29 October 2007 (CET)
 * PvXwiki:Redirect. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 14:58, 29 October 2007 (CET)

Verification Email
I cant get the verification email, i put chaichienliang@yahoo.com and tried to resend it but its been 24 hours already and there is still no sign of it CsAtlantis


 * Yahoo emails only get passed the yahoo auto-mated spam filter (the one on their sever) if you put .co.uk. --Peter 21:57, 30 October 2007 (CET)

Vandal. --Teh Uber Pwnzer  06:07, 31 October 2007 (CET)
 * Three days. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 07:37, 31 October 2007 (CET)

Archive:Team - Blackout Spike

 * Someone deleted the build, and it was in testing. Any reason why? - Jak123X 03:27, 10 November 2007 (CET)
 * Wrong name. It is at Archive:Team - Blackout Spike. You had already made another version there, i C+Ped the new one over. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 03:56, 10 November 2007 (CET)
 * Thanks.- Jak123X 21:40, 10 November 2007 (CET)

Regarding Guild of Deals' Builds.

In our recent argument, I've noticed many of his builds have been personally moved back into trial after receiving unfavored votes during the vetting process. Naturally, I checked for some policy against such biased action, but came up empty-handed. Should something be done? Shogunshen 22:57, 4 November 2007 (CET)
 * Unless a major change is made on the build, it does not qualify for revetting (being put through to Testing). However, there is no policy, nor is there anything wrong, with putting an unfavored build into trial in order to rework the build itself and make it usable. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:00, 4 November 2007 (CET)

Recent Update
Builds that rely on the recent update to be effective should remain in trial until the end of the week and shouldn't be voted on. Furthermore, you shouldn't vote down a build that got nerfed in the recent update, at least not yet. Wait the week and then see. &mdash; T h b r  w z r  22:02, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Revert wars are fun, but it gets boring when they can't come with anything that isn't retarded. =) &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 03:27, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Do we have a block evasion? --71.229.204.25 03:44, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Vandalism. --71.208.133.30 09:41, 15 November 2007 (CET)
 * He can take a day off. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 17:31, 15 November 2007 (CET)

Talk:Main_Page
Is it possiable to clse this pole,it's being going for a long time now and i don't see much need to keep it up as not many people are votting on it anymore, and it's clear that the majority want to stay with GW. <font color="Purple">PheNaxKian (<font color="Red">T /c) 21:56, 15 November 2007 (CET)
 * I don't really see a need for why we would need to "officially" close the poll. The results are non-binding, so it really doesn't matter if people keep voting.  [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  23:31, 15 November 2007 (CET)

User talk:Rawrawr Dinosaur
Um...do I need to explain? Look at the page.--<font color="darkorange" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="Brown" face="arial bold">is <font color="black" face="arial bold">yours 02:32, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * He wanted it like that. It's his user page. However if it is slowing PvX, yes change it. Misfate  02:37, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Right, and all those flashing images dont hurt the eyes, and the extremely large font isnt disrupting the page or anything.--[[image:Victoryisyours_Sig_Image.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="darkorange" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="Brown" face="arial bold">is <font color="black" face="arial bold">yours 02:39, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Personally, I like the 5-minute load time. Plus, it always needs moar cowbell! Which of course, is a valid reason to delete it in its own right. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  02:58, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Owww, that hurt my eyes....I had to be curious and look. - &dagger; Lord Xivor &dagger;  03:00, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Make him remove it, the second i tried to load that page, my entire computer froze and i had to reboot the entire thing. I'm sure i'm not the only person with that problem.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 03:16, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Serves you right for peeking at our masterpiece before its finished. It is best viewed in Internet Explorer 6.0 or under and a 640x480 resolution. 800x600 is acceptable, but you may be shot by an angry dutch man shortly afterward. Also, if anyone else knows the Microsoft Pixelation filter overflow, you're more than welcome to add it. Or a tablecollapse... Hmmmmm. I have ideas. <3 Also, it shouldn't make your computer freeze unless you're a little ctrl+alt+delete happy. It takes a while to load, but that's all. Maybe remove the filter overflows? [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  03:20, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Hah, that was silly. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|20px]]Shen (contribs) 03:20, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Ok... Nao it might be a bit much. That or it's lots better. ^_^ Might wanna archive it and clear the page though soon, before someone's RAM overloads. Haha... [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  03:34, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Admit it owned tho. - Rawrawr  17:42, 14 November 2007 (CET)
 * Rofl im really ctrl+alt+delete happy, ima very impatient person. 66.74.217.246
 * lol forgot to log in, too lazy for that :D its cheese btw
 * "User page faggotry"-Armond Ahahah funny stuff--Shadowsin 14:13, 20 November 2007 (CET)

The Ads
Are they supposed to cove rthe support section of the links? o.o--Shadowsin 07:32, 16 November 2007 (CET)
 * Hmm, good point... I don't think there was anything in that box though... [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 12:26, 16 November 2007 (CET)
 * I believe they are intended to be the support section of the links. The only link that used to be there was a link to PvXwiki:Donate --[[Image:Wizardboy777_Sig.jpg|19px]]Wizardboy777 (T/C/Sysop) 01:08, 17 November 2007 (CET)
 * Ah, I had not idea what was there before, so I made a guess. lol. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 02:53, 17 November 2007 (CET)

A number of ads are timing out for me (I get firefox's standard "the connection to the server has reset" message). While I'm not complaining that the ads aren't there, I see a problem if we expect to get revenue from ads that don't load properly... That said, the problem appears to be sporadic, as it doesn't happen all (or even, it would appear, half) the time. -- Armond Warblade 11:59, 21 November 2007 (CET)

User 71.207.76.65 did something to the template, which messed it up pretty badly. Could anyone take a look at it? BTW, I already reverted whatever he did. Jelmewnema 18:05, 18 November 2007 (CET)


 * He removed the last section, which also removed the tag, which was what screwed it up. Reverting it is really the only thing that needed to be done. --[[Image:Wizardboy777_Sig.jpg|19px]]Wizardboy777 (T/C/Sysop) 04:39, 23 November 2007 (CET)

epic win
— Skakid9090 01:51, 26 November 2007 (CET)

Vandalism. --71.229.204.25 06:28, 26 November 2007 (CET)
 * He can take 3 days. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  18:33, 26 November 2007 (CET)

Most blatant violation of NPA on this wiki. I've confronted him, and he still won't believe it. I'll admit I've got something against him, but I don't publicize it. Look at his list of "things that annoy me", (about the fourth to last bullet) and then check out his user talk page. <font color="Black"> Shen (contribs) 23:55, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * While nothing on the page explicitly violates NPA, I've added a note to Guild of Deals' talk page about proper decorum. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  00:36, 29 November 2007 (CET)

blanked his talk page, violated NPA. See this. <font color="Black"> Shen (contribs) 16:38, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * He can take a day off to calm down. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  17:12, 1 December 2007 (CET)

He's voting a ton of good builds really low for no good reason. --Mala 17:03, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * Links to some of them? We can't see a list of votes by a certain user :/ --[[Image:Wizardboy777_Sig.jpg|19px]]Wizardboy777 (T/C/Sysop) 17:42, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * Sowwie. They were in recent ratings, but fixed now anyway. --Mala[[Image:Mala_sig_Mind_Blast.jpg|19px]] 17:46, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * Can we get him blocked for lack of both site understanding and in game skills -.-? <font color="Purple">PheNaxKian (<font color="Red">T /c)[[Image:Tag_thumb.jpg|19px]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * I left a note on his talk page. I'll ban him if he completely ignores it/breaks 1RV/makes our fingers hurt from removing all his votes. --[[Image:Wizardboy777_Sig.jpg|19px]]Wizardboy777 (T/C/Sysop) 18:59, 1 December 2007 (CET)

I noticed user deleted my build page (or moved it?). Could you have a look at it? —Fabes ''' 15:40, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * I'm not quite sure what the problem is to be honest... he definitely didn't move or delete it though. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  17:14, 2 December 2007 (CET)
 * The build should however be moved to Build:P/N Para Battery to fit naming conventions/policy. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  17:15, 2 December 2007 (CET)

User:Guild of Deals/Builds
I think he's had enough warnings...--<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 01:06, 3 December 2007 (CET)
 * Resolved. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  01:09, 3 December 2007 (CET)
 * He's voted here. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Shen (contribs) 03:23, 3 December 2007 (CET)

PvXwiki:General disclaimer
Link which is located at the very bottom of every page leads to a blank page. Peter 14:18, 28 October 2007 (CET)

Similar builds
These builds are basically the same, but just for different proffesions. There is a guide already made for these and they should not be submitted as they just take up room in the untested-Testing section.
 * I've noticed many skills with the same basic ideas submitted with slight variations. One example is all the spirits strength builds.
 * User:Xx shadow assassin xx/Rt/A Spirit's Strength Sin
 * User:Xx shadow assassin xx/Rt/A Spirit's Strength Sin
 * User:Xx shadow assassin xx/Rt/A Spirit's Strength Sin
 * User:Xx shadow assassin xx/Rt/A Spirit's Strength Sin
 * R/A dagger expertise builds.
 * There are many other builds that are almost the same or very similar that just waste space and users' time; Above are just two examples. They should be merged into variants or deleted. - Jak123X 03:40, 3 November 2007 (CET)
 * There are many other builds that are almost the same or very similar that just waste space and users' time; Above are just two examples. They should be merged into variants or deleted. - Jak123X 03:40, 3 November 2007 (CET)
 * There are many other builds that are almost the same or very similar that just waste space and users' time; Above are just two examples. They should be merged into variants or deleted. - Jak123X 03:40, 3 November 2007 (CET)
 * There are many other builds that are almost the same or very similar that just waste space and users' time; Above are just two examples. They should be merged into variants or deleted. - Jak123X 03:40, 3 November 2007 (CET)

It may be possible to put everything on one page.--<font color="Green">Ss Heretic  21:05, 4 November 2007 (CET)

Also try R/Mo Broad Head Arrow Ranger, R/Mo Burning Arrow Ranger and Cripshot while you're at it. I'll address this concern slightly further in Build-Specific Issues. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  22:50, 16 November 2007 (CET)
 * Different usages, can't really be combined to one page.--[[image:Victoryisyours_Sig_Image.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="darkorange" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="Brown" face="arial bold">is <font color="black" face="arial bold">yours 22:51, 16 November 2007 (CET)
 * Yeah, I was going to say....if they had the same usage, then I would agree, but all three of those Ranger builds have totally different usages. But, I have noticed a lot of similar builds going around.  At one time, I believe we had 5-6 WoH monk builds around.  Two were basic, one was using assassin secondary with Return, one was warrior secondary for Shield Bash or Balanced Stance, then you had your Channeling one, and your Gole one.  I know some got deleted, but I noticed even more in trial/testing earlier.  Would those qualify as similar builds and be merged? -  &dagger; Lord Xivor &dagger;  22:55, 16 November 2007 (CET)
 * All should be merged with Build:Mo/any PvP Word of Healing imo.--[[image:Victoryisyours_Sig_Image.jpg‎|19px]]<font color="darkorange" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="Brown" face="arial bold">is <font color="black" face="arial bold">yours 22:57, 16 November 2007 (CET)
 * Well, unfortunately for the wiki's sanity, PvX:MERGE, or some other policy that dictated how extremely similar builds should be handled, not really sure, didn't pass, as far as I can remember, and confining builds such as those to guides would be utterly horrible, both sarcastically and realistically considering we don't have any real quick links to guides, or at least that I, as a relatively normal user am aware of. Also, I'd like to add Archive:R/Mo Prepared Shot Ranger, Archive:R/any PvP Magebane Shot, and Archive:R/Mo Melandru's Archer to that list. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  23:01, 16 November 2007 (CET)

Well looks like this issue is all rapped up. Ty admins. So, should I now delete this from the page?- Jak123X 00:48, 5 December 2007 (CET)

I created an Assacaster guide. Should the existing ones get a delete tag (or the guide)?

There are a few in tested / testing

Archive:N/A Dancing Death

Archive:E/A Dancing MoM

and some more in archived

Archive:A/Me Energy Drain Assacaster

Archive:A/Mo Assacaster

cKowDont 09:39, 13 December 2007 (CET)

I have a stalker-vandal. Might want to perma-ban? I'm taking care of it my own way, anyway. <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  06:18, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * Taken care of. Although, you shouldn't threaten someone like that. Two wrongs don't make a right etc etc. If he felt like it, he could possiby find some legal action to take because of the threats against his property. Of course, you may be able to do the same with his continual harassment of you online. I don't want to think too heavily on it, and I don't tihnk either of you two should either. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   06:27, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * It was never a threat. Plus, text on a wiki is considered non-viable evidence, anyway. I'll play nice though. I didn't check this before replying on his page again. I'll kill-9 my meanness. Just a bad idea to piss me off when I just got off work. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  06:38, 7 December 2007 (CET)

<3 Cedave xD.--Shadowsin 06:39, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * I have a one man fan-club. Lulz. Well, I have to say, having this night start out really badly, it's already become infinitely better. Been spending too much time at school/newspaper/work. Forgot how much I loved you guys. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  06:45, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * WOO :D i just had that warm fuzzy feeling. --Shadowsin 06:46, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * Vodka on a school night is never good. And if you're talking about some furry stuff.. uhh.. noplzkthxbai. ^_^ Jk. Haha.. But.. gah. I can't believe that that idiot didn't even change his IP from before. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  06:49, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * BUT VODKA is delicious! D: --Shadowsin 06:50, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * If you want, I have a delicious Userbox you might could wanna steal. [[Image:Cedave_bad.png|16px]] <font color="#AA226D" face="times new roman" size="2">cedave <small color="#AA226D">(contributions_buildpage)  06:52, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * Consider it stolen.--Shadowsin 06:55, 7 December 2007 (CET)

Various votes on ratings page, no contributions whatsoever. <font color="Blue">Unreal Havoc  22:44, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * Fagg imitating an admin. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 22:51, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * Thought as much but didn't want to break NPA, at least not on the admin page anyway. ;) [[Image:UnrealHavocSig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Unreal Havoc  22:52, 7 December 2007 (CET)
 * Yeah hai! -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 22:57, 7 December 2007 (CET)

vandalism--<font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 17:55, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * Done. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 18:00, 8 December 2007 (CET)

Perhaps i'm a bit biased due to the fact that I'm easily annoyed by idiocy(unless i'm being the idiot ofc), but this guy simply does not vote right. Nearly every vote I've read of his is a question asking about the build. "Where can i use it, What goes in the optional slot, Why use X skill" and the rating never corresponds to the apparant vote(since you can't really tell his oppinion of the build anyway). I attempted to bring to this attention and got a response along the lines of "i've been told, calm down." From what i've seen, this hasn't stopped. Considering he's been told mutliple times by admins, bcrats, and users and has continually demonstrated ineptitude in voting, is there something to be done? Linkage can be provided, but as shogunshen said, they are pretty abundant.Bob fregman 03:53, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * I agree fully. &mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 06:48, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Wow, I'm popular, aint I? Also, I've done nothing wrong. By saying "why use X skill" I'm pointing out that that skills sucks ball, so use another fucking one. "where can I use it", if a farming build has no place specific place to be used and it doesn't say anywhere where it's to be used, maybe I should rate it in a place by testing that build in a place that will ultimately get it destroyed. If a build just says it's a team, but nothing else, then that doesn't really help shit, now does it? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  07:20, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Mass vandal. Need some deletion on all the redirect pages in his contribs. Lord of all tyria 18:52, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Reverted, blocked, warned etc. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   19:27, 11 December 2007 (CET)

pretty sure he's a brit, lets play the guessing game! &mdash; Skuld 19:29, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Because he uses the word 'twat?' Or because he has a history of ethnic prejudice? ;) - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   19:31, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Repeated use of the word "cunt" and this, only a dumb english would use that.. &mdash; Skuld 20:12, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Bleh, after I've done it, I have been kicking myself about giving him a 5 day block. All his edits have been in bad taste... - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   20:15, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Unblock & extend? &mdash; Skuld 20:19, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Ill do it, make it a month. Un/redo if you want. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 20:59, 11 December 2007 (CET)

NPA--<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 23:05, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * And vandalism, I'm pretty sure. IDK if the build had already been deleted or not. I already called an Admin on him so no need to bug anyone else, unless Frvwfr is gonna be away for a while. --[[image:ViYGoDsig2.jpg|25px]] Guild of  Deals  23:10, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * He's been warned. Might as well give him a chance to change his behaviour before blocking him. It only takes one click to undo anything he does, anyways. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   23:13, 11 December 2007 (CET)

Repeatedly insulted my character here, here, and here. Then turns around and says I direct my comments at him personally. Not even taking into the account the huge gaps in his arguments, he's out of control. That's not to say one gets banned for not always making correct comments, only for blantant attacks on another's integrity. I don't expect Shadowsin to be punished. But this is ridiculous. <font color="Darkgreen"> Shen <font color=#B22222>has <font color=#B22222>cookies 00:42, 17 December 2007 (CET)
 * The only insult I see is the one where he asks you to put away your thesaurus. Otherwise, nothing here is insulting your character. #1 was regarding the drama of the thread. #2 was regarding the massive amounts of text you put regarding the build compared to other builds. Basically, he didn't do anything wrong except for the very very very first point I mentioned and that's more or less able to be ignored. —ǥrɩɳsɧ  ƿoɲ  00:57, 17 December 2007 (CET)

I don't like being called a jerk. Look at the section under his WoF Hammer build. -- Guild of  Moses  13:56, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Charges are dropped. Me being a jerk can be considered a NPA violation, but I perfer to take it as fact. --[[image:GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Moses  09:44, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Look at My talk page. Even though I'm not a person of Jewish religion, I see it as an NPA. Sorry for filling up this notice board. -- Guild of  Moses  14:05, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * loljew. How is that NPA in any form whatsoever? &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 14:06, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Also, take a look at one of his comments defending his NPA. He hides in it him laughing at me because I'm accusing him of NPA even though I'm reporting him for it. Out of line. --[[image:GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Moses  14:11, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * No, I'm saying that because I disagree with you with everything you say on builds, you find any opportunity to ban me. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 14:12, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * So what, laughing at me because I got a ban once is waaaaaay out of line. Anyway, where does your disagreeing with builds come in here? This is a debate between you saying "loljew" and mocking me. --[[image:GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Moses  14:13, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Where did I laugh at because you got banned? &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 14:15, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Ok, I'm dropping. /sigh, sorry, me being a jerk. There. --[[image:GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Moses  14:24, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Guys, 'Jew' means a member of the Jewish people. As Skak used it, it is not an insult. See here. Glad you guys worked it out amongst yourselves though; it is really nice to see that here, where people often claim that immaturity reigns supreme. - <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman    02:44, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Slander. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 14:16, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * I'm not "slandering." It's called defending my own. --[[image:GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Moses  14:24, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * laughing at me because I got a ban once is considered slander, when you run out of points in an argument and make up things like that to try to make me look bad. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 14:27, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Really? Anyway, if it wasn't for my NPA, then it sure meant something. -- Guild of  Moses  14:39, 21 December 2007 (EST)

''No, I'm saying that because I disagree with you with everything you say on builds, you find any opportunity to ban me. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 14:12, 21 December 2007 (EST)'' &mdash;  Skakid  HoHoHo 14:40, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * I've never really found I disagreed with you. Only thing I disagreed on was my IW guide. I hardly ever see you post on my builds, so I don't really see what I disagree on you with. --[[image:GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Moses  14:42, 21 December 2007 (EST)

There are five versions of this build on PvX as linked to on the build page with nearly identical usage; they should really be merged, imo... --Mafaraxas 23:03, 11 December 2007 (CET)
 * Delete all of them, imo. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:30, 31 December 2007 (EST)
 * Dealt with. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 13:40, 8 January 2008 (EST)

User talk:71.229.204.25
Each "edit" link edits one section below what it should, and the last one starts a new section. (At least, that's how it is for me.) -- Armond Warblade 23:50, 24 December 2007 (EST)


 * The first two section headers only had one = around them :O <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 15:24, 25 December 2007 (EST)


 * But it's still broken >.> I'll keep looking at it. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 15:25, 25 December 2007 (EST)


 * Ok, now it's fixed. I moved the up to the top instead of having it after the first two sections. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 15:27, 25 December 2007 (EST)

User:124.191.74.29
PvX:NPA--<font color="green" face="arial bold">Victory <font color="red" face="arial bold">is <font color="green" face="arial bold">Santas 14:06, 25 December 2007 (EST)
 * Is this really a big deal to you or Coloneh? I'd just brush it off. - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] <font face="dauphin" color="maroon">Krowman   14:34, 25 December 2007 (EST)

PvXwiki:Style and formatting
What happened to the template which you could just copy/past to pages? &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  18:32, 26 December 2007 (EST)
 * It uses the  tag for preformatted text, and that's currently broken. If you hit "view source" you can go down and copy+paste it from there. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 22:55, 26 December 2007 (EST)
 * Could we perhaps change the pre tags to nowiki tags for the time being or am i missing something that means we can't do that?<font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 11:02, 27 December 2007 (EST)
 * Hmm, could we unblock it for a little while? It got an idea to make it work without a pre tag. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  13:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
 * There. That work for you guys? <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 14:19, 27 December 2007 (EST)
 * Works fine for me now-nice idea of putting that comment in pre btw (the one mentioning a copy.)-do we know why Pre tags aren't working anymore yet?<font color="#228B22" face="comic sans ms">Phe <font color="#4F94CD" face="comic sans ms">Nax <font color="Red" face="comic sans ms">Kian [[Image:Phenaxkian_christmas_sig.gif|19px]] 16:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)
 * I was just gonna say, put like 2 spaces on the first line and then it works just like a pre tag. &mdash;  ク  Eloc  <font color="Black">貢  16:23, 28 December 2007 (EST)

User:Ckow
Please permaban this account, moved to User:Dont (due to signature issues). Thanks in advance.  <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">CKOW  18:58, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * If your signature is as above (dont ckow), there's no need to move your account. If your signature is dont talk as on the dont userpage, then you do. Which are you using? (I just want to confirm that you're making an informed decision.) -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 00:27, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * This one:  <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">TALK  Victoryisyours said that I can't with my old account so I changed then moved.  <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">TALK   18:11, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * done -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 12:58, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Checkuser please? &mdash; <font color="green" face="arial bold">Uber <font color="red" face="arial bold">iz <font color="green" face="arial bold">Awesome  22:43, 3 January 2008 (EST)
 * Similar name, completely different IP. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 00:28, 4 January 2008 (EST)

my page is messed up
yeah i screwed it up and i know what i did wrong in the code(forgot that i needed two square brackets on the end of a linky guy), but i dont know how to fix it.--Raps4life 23:30, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * Wow. Wtf happened? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:33, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * Forgot to close a pvxbig tag. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  23:36, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * you type [Image:imagename] . Works with any other image name too. Ultimate form of vandalism, yes? &mdash; [[Image:Uber sig pic 1.JPG]] <font color="green" face="arial bold">Uber <font color="red" face="arial bold">iz <font color="green" face="arial bold">Awesome 23:37, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * &action=edit pwned &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  23:38, 4 January 2008 (EST)


 * forgot about &action=edit. &mdash; [[Image:Uber sig pic 1.JPG]] <font color="green" face="arial bold">Uber <font color="red" face="arial bold">iz <font color="green" face="arial bold">Awesome 23:39, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Testing/Trial Phases
A lot of builds in Testing Have not been voted on and the list is piling up since there are not enough users looking at builds, discussing and seeing how the author changed them. For example, someone might vote low b/c of some reason and the author changes it but the users never go back to the discussion pages of the build to re-vote or check if something has been done. Also many builds in the Trial Phase do not have a lot of discussions or constructive criticism going on the use discussion page. Just hoping that people could look back into Trial and Testing builds more often, or builds that they voted on that got vetted, to see if the author has changed the build. Thank you- Jak123X 18:23, 5 January 2008 (EST)
 * If the Author makes a change relevant to certain votes they can request votes be removed here or they can leave a message on the voters talk page... <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 18:26, 5 January 2008 (EST)

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Can someone please restore this so I can save it on my userpage? Thanks - <font color="#000080">(snō hwīt tăn)  [sic]  <font color="#000080"> [găl'ə-rē]  17:29, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * It's on my clipboard, where do you want it? -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 18:10, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * It's here. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  18:11, 8 January 2008 (EST)

... &mdash; <font color="Darkblue">Victoryisyours (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">RfA ) 15:42, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Skakid9090, Shadowsin
Both need a few day wikibreak, and neither seems to be mature enough to do so without it being enforced by an admin. Lord Belar 22:06, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Is there actually a policy governing these things? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:07, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * No, but here we have Admin DiscretionTM. Lord Belar 22:10, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * I'll take that as a no. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:10, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * DIS + NPA + Ignore All Rules kinda covers everything involving users getting out of hand in giant arguments. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 22:13, 9 January 2008 (EST)

They've been warned. *Defiant Elements*  +talk  22:14, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Something is wrong
this really weird thing has happened tro me three times now, and its time that its fixed, (or explained, of course) . this is the story: i dont look at my builds and userpage a lot (once in 3 days at least) and 3 of my builds have now been delted without reason, and the rate page is all messed up. what happened? two of those builds i still have links to, these are and
 * First of all, please sign your comments by typing four tildes ( ~ ). Second, I beleive they were moved because they had improper names (check PvX:NAME for our rules on naming builds). Search for them in the Move Log to find where they went. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 09:47, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * All right, I found them. They were both deleted because they were very similar to, and there isn't much point in keeping multiple copies of the same build. If you want, I can restore them and put them in your userspace. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 09:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)

yeah that'd be awesome thanks! Dedaelus 09:39, 10 January 2008 (EST)

404 not found. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 16:13, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Shouldn't this be under coding issues? --[[image:GoD Holiday Sig 2.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Moses  16:34, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Website addresses are not codes. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 16:35, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * Also 404. --Mafaraxas 18:16, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * This is the same issue as this. As in, they both don't work for the same reason. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 18:53, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * Fixed. –&thinsp;<font color="darkblue" face="times">H HHIPPO  &thinsp;&lsaquo;<font color="blue" size="-2">sysop &rsaquo; 15:06, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Immensely rubbish follow-up suggestons
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Premade_builds These things need a complete makeover, especcially the suggestions and follow-builds. This one for instance: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/any_Prison_Assassin_%28primer_follow-up%29, They are full of typos as well.  Seb2net  (Talk)  17:03, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * I agree. Especially about the second one.  That build (and im assuming all of its class are) is in violation of PvX:AR.  Quote from PvX:AR:  "we do not attempt to retain builds that are purposefully inferior because they are designed for persons without access to money, skills, elites, etc."  Note "without access to... skills."  Because these begginners do not have access to the great number of skills that all the rest of us do does not mean that we should put on some horrible build that would get rated a .89 in the vetting system.  I move to delete these builds. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  17:10, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * However, the idea of having a guide section for new PvP'ers isn't half bad, we just need to direct them to builds which actually work :WELL. [[Image:Sebsig.jpg|19px]]  Seb2net  (Talk)  17:12, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * Note that the Premade builds section is strictly for historical documentation purposes, and are not to be mixed up with the main builds listing. They are suggestions from ANet, so read at your own risk. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 17:18, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * In that case, we're going to have to scrap the SP guide entirely. --71.229 17:19, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * I say anet has a few hundred people who can make builds, while pvx has tens of thousands (since we document other peoples making of builds, their build ideas go to wiki). So the way I see it, screw anets ideas and stick to our own. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  17:23, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * But do you really want to give up the comedic value of the Hamstorm? --71.229 17:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * We should make something like Template:Premade build message to put at the top of the premade builds and point out what rapta said. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 17:28, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * I reckon we should have some sort of competition for the best "premade build" template XD (mainly because i want to make a template that could be used). <B><font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian </B> (<font color="Red">T /c) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 14:11, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Second vandalism. Doesn't really look like it, but considering his first one was to the old IWAY, it should be treated like one imo. --71.229.204.25 20:19, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Thanks, Wizardboy. :D --71.229.204.25 20:24, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * :D I blocked him for two weeks, then realized PvX:DIS says 1 month for second vandalism from an IP, so I had to figure out how to unblock him so I could block him for longer ;) <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 20:27, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * First time you've used the unblock function, eh? :P --71.229.204.25 20:37, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, and it's hard to find. The only place I could find it was on Special:Ipblocklist <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 20:39, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * That would be why I have that linked on my userpage :P -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 13:32, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Checkuser with User:Im2smart4u20 plx. – Ichigo 724  13:08, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * Well, not really necessary, as they have the same char names and all. But "they"'re voting on the same build with a 2 min diff. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 13:09, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * Not identical IPs, but very similar. Plus, same character names and same guild. Someone else should look into/deal with it, though. I have a prior obligation in RL (:O) <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 13:14, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * I use 2 computers with similar IP's. It's all too easy to have similar IPs on different account.  It's blatently obvious that they are socks.Bob fregman 13:18, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * This account has been permanently banned. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 14:33, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Vandalism on my userpage. See this. Im pretty sure it was User:Shogunshen, so u might want to check the IP of his account just to be sure. ---  Ressmonkey (talk)  21:51, 20 January 2008 (EST)
 * Blocked for a week. Ressmonkey, atm, there are a number of people who'd love to do that. Don't throw around accusations, because it pisses people off. Plus, I already checkuser any IPs I ban. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 21:56, 20 January 2008 (EST)
 * Ok, it was just that it happens to coinside very nicely with this comment that pretty much destroyed his case, but that works 4 me. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  21:59, 20 January 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, I just saw this. I'm frankly appalled you'd accuse me. [[Image:Shogunshen_Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black"> Shen (contribs) 15:39, 21 January 2008 (EST)
 * So you accuse shen of vandalizing your page because you think you beat him in an argument? &mdash; [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<font color="Darkblue">Vıctoȓƴışƴouȓş (<font color="Darkblue">talk /<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 16:31, 21 January 2008 (EST)
 * That and the fact that the edits were 5 minutes apart, so he was the last person I couldve pissed off. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  16:52, 21 January 2008 (EST)

LOL HAY GUYZ WATS GOIN ON? --71.229.204.25 16:57, 21 January 2008 (EST)
 * Llamas have funny names. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] Ressmonkey (talk)  16:59, 21 January 2008 (EST)
 * YOU GET OFF MAH TURF!-- Shadow sin [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 03:35, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Arrrgggh. People are finding my rants annoying again (on my "Things that annoy me" section). Can someone either tell them to shut up or tell me to remove them? -- Guild of  Deals  15:31, 23 January 2008 (EST)
 * Sigh, must you complain about every little harmless thing. An admins time is better spent scratching their ass then resolving this.Bob fregman 22:44, 23 January 2008 (EST)
 * Or you could get a blog and not waste server space.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 22:49, 23 January 2008 (EST)
 * Grinch, no. Take a look at my userpage for once. Though admittedly mine has less potential for offending people... -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 00:58, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * How bout people grow up? That would be nice? His page isnt that offensive >.> The user who lodged the complaint i.e. CheeseSlayer, isnt even personally offended by whats on the page, seeing as none of it applys to him, he just felt like posting on Guild of Deals page for w/e reason, i really dont see it tbh. All he really said was "OMG that could offend someone!" Its his userpage, you dont have to read it, its not even on the mainstream userpages are where our opinions are supposed to go as not to clog up or talks, builds, or other places on the wiki. If you only read the last sentence get this its his userpage, you dont like it? there is a little x on the top right hand corner of your browser, click it.-- Shadow sin [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 01:08, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Well, i'm agnostic, but if i was a mormon i'd probably find that offensive. tbh, i dont care because, unlike guild, i dont think crying about every little goddamned thing is the way to go.  As i said before, this is a waste of time, posting on the admin noticeboard to ask them to tell him to remove them.  Admin time better spent doing nothing.Bob fregman 09:00, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * I recommend you just get rid of it. I'm neither a scientologist nor a mormon, but it's not that hard to see how it could offend people, and less QQing is always good.  Mike Tycn ( punch   out )  09:10, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * I did... now people, stop bitching please. If you don't like it, either don't read or ignore it and move on.--[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:56, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Suspected sock. Suspicious and unexplained vote on .Bob fregman 22:47, 23 January 2008 (EST)
 * Dealt with. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 22:59, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Changed my userpage to a tacky purple... -- Guild of  Deals  07:22, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Or this --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  07:23, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * And the QQ train never stops. You didnt even bother to change it back so who cares.Bob fregman 09:49, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * If it's one-off vandalism, revert the change yourself. Admin intervention is only necessary for repeat offenders. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  09:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * happy nao? [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 09:53, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Way ahead of you.  Mike Tycn ( punch   out )  11:06, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * I would've done it myself, but I had to go to school. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  16:55, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Reverting would've obviously taken way longer than posting it here... – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 16:56, 24 January 2008 (EST)

African Nigger
Vandalism, not to mention the name.  (vĭk'tə-rē   ĭz   yôrz)   20:24, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * You don't even want to know how weird that post looked in RC.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 20:27, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * I believe it. [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]] (vĭk'tə-rē   ĭz   yôrz)   20:29, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Owned. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 20:31, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Skakid says he's been blocked. Apparently, he was autoblocked because his IP was used by this guy... but the only two entries in the ipblocklist for autoblocks steemming from him are "#738" and "#741". And I have no idea what those mean, because they aren't IPs. Proxies, maybe? He says he's used proxies once or twice at school to log in. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 21:30, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Alright, the #'s are masks to hide the IPs. I unblocked them, so skakid should be fine now. It just means that whatever proxy/dynamic IP pool this guy was using gave him the same IP as skakid's comp. As the wikipedia article calls it, skakid was collateral damage. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 22:36, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * How has my userpage become a hotspot for racist vandals? --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  15:13, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Negro of the Africa
Possible sock of above, vandalism.  (vĭk'tə-rē   ĭz   yôrz)   20:32, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Also dealt with. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 21:24, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Gone.  Mike Tycn ( punch   out )  21:25, 24 January 2008 (EST)

User:Frvwfr2/Test
What do ya think? For more in-depth classification for GvG stuff... But its very simple. It could be useful. <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 10:15, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * It looks nice, but do we really need more specific categories? The function of the build is almost always outlined in the opening sentence, and rarely do builds cover more than one sub-category, if ever. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  10:49, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * Meh, I just thought it would be interesting. Idc really, but was bored at school lol. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 14:58, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * Then you need GvG Midline, Backline, etc. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  15:14, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * I think that was sort of the point... Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (<font color="Black">contributions  * sandbox ) 15:20, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Not needed at all. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  16:04, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * I have to agree with Skakid. Most experienced GvGers and etc (even me, and I never play GvG) know whose frontline, midline, etc. It's not like you'll see "Oh a Mesmer! Is it frontline?" --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  12:45, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * It could be IW... But yeah, I agree. Just to show that we CAN specify more if we want too... Like for team builds we can tag it for spike, etc. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 13:50, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * IW is bad, if you have a mesmer on the frontline he's going to die or be ignored because you can't kill him but he's put too much into defense to be able to do anything. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 13:57, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * Calm down Armond, just tryin to be a jackass (me), wasn't a serious suggestion... [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 13:59, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * Was just trying to point out why it's unnecessary. -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 14:00, 26 January 2008 (EST)
 * But hey, kudos to you if you go IW in GvG and win a little bit. Fine then, how about "Oh! A Necromancer! I wonder if it's a frontliner?" --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  20:52, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Special:RecentRatings
Last vote shows up twice. -<font color="Black">Shen 12:36, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * I pointed it out to Hhhippo already. He's working on it. <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( sysop ) 12:44, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * My bad. -<font color="Black">Shen 12:47, 27 January 2008 (EST)