Archive talk:Rt/Mo Arena OoS

Let the flaming begin.Saint 23:47, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

NO FLARE?

 * What? This isnt totally nooby. -- 00:20, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Suggestion:Drop Spawning, take some Restoration for MB&S and Spirit Light. -- 00:24, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * considered it, but i prefer to go full melee support, and i found that if you have SoH on 2 people you really need ess strike to keep energy up, so there really isnt room in the build. its not meant for backline support, pure frontline.

I like Rits who support.--71.227.142.108 00:51, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Rt/Mo OoS Smiting Prayers Ritualist This is the same as that, but with Essence Strike (which is unneeded anyways...if you have energy problems even with OoS you need to learn to be smart with energy) instead of Smite Hex and Judge's Insight in the optional slot, which lists Judge's Insight as well. WELL this, or delete it for being a dupe. Gaze Of Balthazar 01:41, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Only 4 out of 8 skills are the same. Also, this is tagged for RA / TA / GvG, while that one is HA. ~ ĐONT * TALK  03:18, 4 May 2008 (EDT)


 * ty dont talk, thats my opinion too. just because it has 4 of the same skills doesnt make it the same build. its a perfect melee support build for the arenas, so i think its versatility is at a 5.Saint 08:28, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Not a RA or GvG build. The other versions we have are better for GvG, and I wouldn't take a build that needs a decent melee to buff up into RA. --Tab  Moo  08:33, 4 May 2008 (EDT)


 * ive run it in RA for 50+ hours, it works tremendously. The odds of getting a sin, war, derv, or even ranger are excessively high, so this build is still extremely effective. it works quite well for gvg because you know that you will have 2-3 physical attackers, and by using this build they can ALL have SoH, increasing the damage output of your team by at least 10%. Saint 08:34, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * And why would you run this over a version with heals that can support even when there's no melee? I've got plenty of glads with Dolyak wammos before, that doesn't mean they're a good RA build.
 * Read what I said about GvG again. The other version is better. Splinter>Warmongers in GvG. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  08:38, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Or to put it another way, this is an Acceptable build when tagged for RA and GvG, a good build when tagged for only TA. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  08:40, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * please sign comments. also, if you bring heal support and you have a shitty monk it wont be enough to win. if you have heal support and you get a great monk, its pointless to have them. its a pure physical support build, just because its a rit doesnt mean ti has to have heals.Saint 08:44, 4 May 2008 (EDT)


 * yea when i stopped to think about it, splinter is far better. i dropped the gvg tag, but imo it could still be a gvg build with splinter under variants.Saint 08:42, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * But then it's a dupe of an existing build. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  08:43, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * na, that would make it only have 5 skills the same as another build, which imo isnt a dupe, but i get your point so the gvg tag is gone.Saint 08:45, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

For fucks sake, stop messing with the indent. That is all one comment. I don't have to sign at the end of every sentence I write. --Tab  Moo  08:48, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * wtf? i only changed it once because it looked like two seperate comments. just keep the comments to comments about the build plz.Saint 08:53, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

stop with the fucking revert war.tis my discussion page, and its not build related.Saint 09:51, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not your discussion page - all non user space, regardless of who made it is considered public property. You aren't allowed to remove comments. In the future, if you don't want something on a talk page, don't post it in the first place. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  09:55, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

RATES PLZ
XD?Saint 09:27, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * People are probably less likely to rate it if you do that. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  09:28, 4 May 2008 (EDT)


 * u camping the page or wha? o.O stalker.Saint 09:30, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * There's a thing called Watchlist. And don't bump pages, it's improper. The build will get vetted sooner or later, be patient. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">TALK  14:03, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * soz, im impatient =/ Saint 14:06, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Now it's featured. And also overkill of energy? God box   14:18, 4 May 2008 (EDT)


 * overkill on energy management? not rly if u have 2 SoH's up. plus keeping judges + ancestors + warmongers up takes a bit of energy.Saint 14:24, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

this is like the exact same build as the other 1 :/ -- Infested Hydralisk   ( Talk * Contributions ) 14:38, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * all everyone does is say something looks exactly like something else. People need to get over that several changes to the attribute points and several skills makes it play fairly different from something else Driggy 14:40, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * o wow 2 skill and attribute point changes...just big differen m8... -- Infested Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 14:48, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * ping the build ur talking about. to my knowledge there should be at least 3-4 skill changes. thats from memory.Saint 14:54, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Probably this. The concept is the same. ~ <font color="#444">ĐONT <font color="#444">* <font color="#444">TALK  15:02, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * well yea, same concept i completely agree, but i changed the build in a way that makes it played differently, so i think the flaming on "its the same as the others!" should end.Saint 15:04, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

That build - Put up SnH, maintain judges, put weapons on melee, use OoS

This build - Put up SnH, maintain judges, put weapons on melee, use OoS.

Why do i fail to see the big 'playstyle' difference? &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:07, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * no backline support with this. smite hex, splinter weapon, death pact siggy, aura of stabi, all dropped for pure physical support.Saint 15:17, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You dont have to run backline support on that. Also, Smite hex and splinter weapon ARE physical support. Splinter weapon is the most overpowered asplode skill in the game. Smite hex removes hexes which make you miss which means you hit more with splinter weapon for even more fucking asplode. Rits are the asploding profession. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:20, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

It's pointless to run both OoS and Essence Srike on the same bar, get rid of essence, and bringing SoH into RA is also terribad, you'll be useless unless you find a team with melee, untag RA and let only T.Also, don't we have the same build already? Drownz 15:09, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * when you've got SoH on 1-2 physical attackers it takes essence to be constantly using the bar. the odds of NOT getting a single physical attacker in RA? very low. and if you dont, its not like you wouldve gotten 5-10 wins if you didnt have SoH anyway. we dont have this same build on wiki, all the other rits are backline supporters as well.Saint 15:15, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Also, for everyone that wants to flame essence strike, check variants. enjoy at your leisure.Saint 15:24, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Is everyone actually trying this build before they flame it? Because the point should be to rate it out of experience, not just theory. Driggy 16:04, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Thats what I've been using lately, fun stuff. ~Dronte~ 08:01, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * This and this? God  box   08:11, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Well, works better than the other 2 in RA :P. Btw, just got 10 wins with this build. A few days back there were 3 avatar dervishes in my team, we got 10 wins also (3x S&H pwnage, even though we had no healer at all). ~Dronte~ 10:26, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

...?<font color="Silver"> Saint  ( <font color="Silver">1337 ) 10:39, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Also, I forgot that my builds works lot better even if you dont have a melee in your team. The only useless skill is S&H then. But for sure, essence strike is not needed at all. ~Dronte~ 09:45, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
 * SoH, arage (a little tho) and warmongers tbh -- Infested <font color="#00868B">Hydralisk [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig2.1.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 16:43, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Ancestors is still useful without a melee in your team, and warmongers works on rangers as well :p ~Dronte~ 11:30, 21 May 2008 (EDT)