Build talk:W/A Warrior's Endurance Daggers

i think ive seen a worse version of this before. IMO.... mainbar SY and put deaths charge in optionals. Ajsnuker 16:27, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * We had one of these with Golden&rarr;Wild (before the buffs to Jagged&rarr;Fox) that got trashed. Toraen -Gifts Plz [[image:ToraenSig3.png|19px]] 16:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I like DC a lot but pulled it into optionals anyway. The 3 sin skills used here have been shown to be very affective without any particular elite skill, should be Good for at least that, tbh. - [[Image:Porororroro lau.gif]] Athrun Feya - 20:56, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * How does the damage on this compare to WE axe... I'll go test it later. Ajsnuker [[Image:Primal Rage.jpg|19px]] 21:01, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I tested it against Enduring Scythe and it's actually not too bad, you also get more benefit from SoH etc and it is easier to set up your attack combo. - [[Image:Porororroro lau.gif]] Athrun Feya - 21:12, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I just went out in tried this... does great damage when used with SoH + Asuran scan, not to mention it charges SY ridiculously fast. -- Ajsnuker  [[Image:File-Ajsnukerprage.jpg|19px]] 22:45, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Even without SoH I do 120~ with my Asura level at 8. It should also be noted that this is probably the most effective build Warriors can use with Discord, non-flesh foes can get a condition through black mantis thrust.  A few other optionals I've used are Dunken Master(Better than Flail IMO), Brawling Headbutt + Falling Spider/Lotus, Exhausting Assault + SY, IAU, and Black Mantis + Exhausting for ultimate spammage of Orders or SoH dammage boost.  I use it with Discord for running missions. --96.237.8.62 01:20, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Great Dwarf Weapon.Rikk Panda 03:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Made this bout 2 weeks ago, got trashed for being inferior to W/D WE Scythe. &#8212;&#8224; Forgive & Forget &#8224; 03:58, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * shut the fuck up --Shazzy diddles 04:05, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * No you. &#8212;&#8224; Forgive & Forget &#8224; 04:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * That is Pvx for you ^_^ When a shitter like you makes it everyone says "lol jjberks made it 0-0" but when a BM says its good everyone has to /agree with said BM &mdash; [[File:Phensofgt.png]] 04:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm no shitter, thankyou. &#8212;&#8224; Forgive & <font color="#7E2217">Forget &#8224; 04:08, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * you're jjberks. this makes you a shitter --Xmassigangelus.jpg 04:17, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Angelus you have no right to talk. &#8212;&#8224; <font color="#7E2217">Forgive & <font color="#7E2217">Forget &#8224; 02:45, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

I made this build already, but it was not favored based on its talk page. -- <font color="#00aaff">WhiteAsIce 06:45, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * @JJ noone actually tries builds out, they just look who's posted and maybe just glance at the build itself. You also need to argue your point across, this isn't necessarily worse than enduring scythe, it varies depending on situation. For example, it reaps a higher benefit from skills like SoH. Indeed actually, I hadn't thought how effective it would be with discord. @whiteasice i wouldn't worry about Life there, he's usually like ohhhhhh this is not the norm, terrible, horrible, ugly, etc. - [[Image:Porororroro lau.gif]] <font color="Black">Athrun <font color="Black">Feya - 13:36, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

if this get vetted
I will so totally lolpvx. <span style="border-right:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;border-left:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;font-family:serif;font-size:8pt;"> Thomas   So   Dutch  07:49, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * The funny thing is you know it will. I predict Good. - [[Image:Porororroro lau.gif]] <font color="Black">Athrun <font color="Black">Feya - 13:26, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * and so it has been done. lolpvx. - [[Image:Porororroro lau.gif]] <font color="Black">Athrun <font color="Black">Feya - 18:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

lolpvx
<span style="border-right:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;border-left:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;font-family:serif;font-size:8pt;"> Thomas   So   Dutch  18:38, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yo big, give an actual reason for removing my vote Cake Archer 03:45, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * that is quite legitimate actually. &mdash; <span style="background-color:#AABBFF;color:white;font-family:georgia;font-size:9pt;border-top:white 3px dotted;border-bottom:white 3px dotted;">[[File:Phensofgt.png]] 03:49, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * There never has been a more powerful reason. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 03:50, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I then suggest he removes everyvote for the verysame reason, just to see how powerful it truly is. Cake Archer 03:51, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * how about no? &mdash; <span style="background-color:#AABBFF;color:white;font-family:georgia;font-size:9pt;border-top:white 3px dotted;border-bottom:white 3px dotted;">[[File:Phensofgt.png]] 03:51, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, like 90% of votes you can justify removing in some way. If you want to say A/W is better you probably need to support your claim and try to quantify how much better (which helps decides whether it goes in Trash or Good). - [[Image:Porororroro lau.gif]] <font color="Black">Athrun <font color="Black">Feya - 17:26, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Please refrain from dazzeling off from the section topic, which is lolpvx. <span style="border-right:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;border-left:dotted 2px #AAAAAA;font-family:serif;font-size:8pt;"> Thomas   So   Dutch  17:45, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * uh, sorry, lolpvx. - [[Image:Porororroro lau.gif]] <font color="Black">Athrun <font color="Black">Feya - 12:41, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Flail
without cancel sucks...an ias is not even needed so drunken master would be better in mainbar, because ~12% ias/ims is enough in this build. Illoyon 20:57, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Take dash or rush for the optional or burst of aggression instead of flail if you already have a save yourselves spammer in the party. Necromas 15:57, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol everyone brings Flail in PvE, mobs dont run away [[File:Tyrael.png]]--<font color="Black">(Talk) 10:48, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can't deal with walking slow after a battle bring a hero with Fall back. Problem. Solved.--<font color ="Blue">Ikimono <font color ="Brown">...And my Axe! [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 13:59, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or use an essence of celerity. Amorality 14:51, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Better than WE Scythe?
I just ran both several times on the master of damage and in hm, this beats scythe everytime. much better at keeping up energy too


 * in my opinion this is the best available war build...because it outdamages WE Axe and WE scythe, thanks to the uber fast attack chain, greater e-management (more asuran scan spamming) and the armor ignoring +dmg from Fox Fangs and Death Blossom...but thats just me.Illoyon 23:15, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * you should probably use splinter weapon more and turn it to hm-- Relyk  talk  23:19, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Scythes don't do well when you go to master of damage because he's one target. In real PvE play, scythes can easily outperform daggers in AoE DPS. Also, scythe being able to hit multiple targets can give it better energy gain. If you're going for massive single target though, daggers will win just because of attack speed and buffs. <font face="Courier New" color="Black">Toraen <font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor [[image:ToraenSig2.png]] 01:25, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

sythe outdamages daggers if you are uber lucky and all foes are clumped in a tight ball...and this nearly never happen in normal pve...so more fast single target dmg works better, especially with SoH.Illoyon 12:52, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * you're doing something wrong then. Namely proper balling of monsters; which is not difficult to do :\ --<font color ="Blue">Ikimono <font color ="Brown">...And my Axe! [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 02:26, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most melee players cba for "proper balling." We just want to hack stuff up.  You get a bit of aoe with death blossom and of course the excellent armor ignoring damage bonuses of daggers.  Don't forget that, without some major buffs, scythes can be fairly weak against high armor, hard mode foes.  WE is great energy management and this build pumps damage along with excellent warrior armor.  Should be rated great.74.61.39.33 20:11, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

this build kills stuff very fast

Why isn't this rated great
Since I started using this build, i've playing a lot of HM. From my experience while using Finish Him as the variant, you pretty much kill anything with 1 chain with limitless energy and excellent armor. 122.57.165.102 16:49, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

flurry
over flail?...it only reduces base attack damage, is maintainable and is not as annoying as flail.Illoyon 17:44, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Max DPS Range
I hate to burst your bubble. But I can out DPS this build easily and sustainably with swords and axes. Using pretty much warrior/ any. If you have done enough testing at the master of damage you will find this is very near the max sustainable DPS that melee can dole out, no matter what the weapon is. I was getting 62 dps with this, My warrior derv is producing 65 dps. with a sword. somewhere between 60 and 70 dps is all you are gonna produce sustainably with melee, no matter what weapon or profession. You can come up with quick spikes that will do more, but it wont be sustainable and spamable.

Try 15 strength, 15 swords, 6 earth prayers W/D I am the strongest, Signet of strength,For great justice, Flail, hundred blades, Mystic sandstorm, whrilwind attack, Sun and moon.

I will agree however this is a fun easy to use spamable build. 69.242.196.134 18:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, this damage is mostly armor-ignoring and benefits the most from SoH (besides scythe). Second of all, you're probably testing this on Master of Damage. I got about 90 DPS with dagger spam on Master of Damage, and you're using Mystic Sandstorm which is PBDoTAoE. It's going to inflate your DPS on Master of Damage because it only has 60 defense, plus enemies will scatter. Finally, you're using two sup runes on a frontliner which is pretty ballzy and inflates your damage even more.[[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz...  19:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * My point is that this isnt the end all be all build some say it is. A ton of builds work great in pve. It even suggests warriors not take self heals for pve right here on this wiki, which is something I would never consider, I prefer to help ease the monks work as much as possible. and that build I tested was just a random build I threw together. In Hm there are many commonly used skills that scatter the enemy, Such as Firestorm or SS. Hundred blades damage is also armor ignoring. One sup rune and one major rune is what im useing. which is still a little ballzy, but just fine in PVE. Most human teams rely on a tank of some kind to ball the mobs and control agro now days anyhow, making this build and most others pointless lol. I didnt say it was a bad build at all. Just saying there are countless other builds you can use to spam the same amount of dps in pve. The sad thing is that most players in the game now rely on SC and cookie cutter builds off the wiki.69.242.196.134 22:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're speccing 12+3 sword, 11+3+1 strength, 6 earth or 11+3+1 sword and 12+3 strength. You're using 2 sup runes. Hundred Blade's damage isn't armor-ignoring.  What kind of argument is listing skills that are also as bad as Mystic Sandstorm? SS doesn't cause scatter unless it's used with 3 copies. Any character can hold aggro just fine. If you need a self-heal to ease up the pressure of your monk, get a better healer (preferably not a monk, they're generally inferior to everything else in terms of prots and e-manage)  Considering this random build can hardly deals 50% of Dagger Spam's damage, I'm not quite sure how it "spams" the same amount of DPS. I'm quite happy when people copy off of the wiki because then it results in them not creating builds with Signet of Strength or being a warrior spellcaster. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz...  22:34, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 100b is more for spiking. I'd be surprised if you get over 35-40 dps with SoH and EBSoH.-- Relyk 22:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Since most of the damage is coming from the dagger skills anyway, wouldn't it be a better idea to take Golden Fox + Golden Lotus and ditch jagged and the ias? The recharge time on those two and Fox Fangs sync up perfectly.Dioxin 11:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Read the activation time on Jagged and IAS is always good for triggering SoH etc more. Falrach 15:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Flurry
Why remove it as optional? It's maintainable (ish), energy isn't an issue on this bar, and the disadvantage is minute on daggers. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by H0micid3 (talk &bull; contribs) 15:32, 8 September 2013‎ (UTC).
 * Also, if Flurry stays removed, then BoA also has to go. Loss of adrenaline (and thus Whirlwind/SY spam) is way more detrimental than losing 25% of your base dagger damage. Also it's not even maintainable. -- Toraen  wiki  20:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Forgot to sign, sorry. While I usually run Red Rocks on this, Flurry is the best option IMO, unless Alcohol+Drunken Master is available. I even prefer it over Flail really. --H0micid3 (talk) 21:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with both of them gone. Less dmg and SY is bad... Cuilan1 (talk) 07:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Tbh, why would you ever take anything other than Flail or Frenzy? A new misery  07:37, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Why would SY be bad? Hard to match it in terms of party support. And you would take something other than Flail/Frenzy if you can afford to decrease your damage by 2-4 but don't want to crawl between spread out casters, or maybe you're facing HM DoA enemies and double damage means they 1-hit you. --H0micid3 (talk) 08:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What the fuck does what I said have to do with SY? I assume you are talking about "Save Yourselves!"? As for your other points, the answer to all your concerns is: "Be less bad". Welcome to PvXwiki! A new misery  16:47, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone said SY was bad. As for being less bad, I can only return that. I guess I'll just keep playing, no need to keep editing here. Should have known, really. --H0micid3 (talk) 08:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Not editing is your choice and nobody said SY is bad. Cuilan1 (talk) 01:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ^Cuilan said less dmg and SY is bad, not less dmg and SY is bad. -- Toraen  wiki  02:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Drunken Master???--- IGN: Saxazax I (capital i) or Saxazax I I - (talk) 15:07, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It's already listed in variants. Toraen (talk) 19:34, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Updated main bar
Suggestion for a more filled out main bar: [build prof=w/a strength=12+1+3 dagger=12][Jagged Strike][Fox Fangs][Death Blossom][optional][Optional][Death's Charge][Drunken Master][warriors endurance][/build] I don't mind having several optional slots, but if we want to provide a more filled out main-bar, I think pointing people to a shadow step and drunken master is probably best. Thoughts? User 100425457 (talk) 14:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, maybe just fill in other two slots with Asuran Scan and I am Unstoppable User 100425457 (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Late, but I disagree with these changes. Drunken master is only good if you are running alcohol, while burst of aggression is a fine and consistent alternative that saves a PvE slot. Also, shadow steps are up to preference and probably shouldn't be mainbarred. I'd prefer the older version. --Xanshiz (talk) 15:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)