Archive talk:Rt/W Smite Crawler Farmer

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Really nice build! GCardinal 01:42, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
 * A Classic. I loved it whenBITCHHHHHHHHHHHH

i have no idea where to go lol. And the videos always skip that part ;/


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdo16mM60DQ - this video has the run recorded. --Swift Thief 05:04, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Some ppl can't just read >< They can only complain ;/ -[[Image:KamisSig.png]]12:42, 1 March 2009

Variants
I find the use of Protector's Defense + Gladiator's Defense very helpful while soloing trolls and in the UW as you can block more than 75% of attacks, it also helps with the inturupts. Spirit rift is way too much damage for the UW, but is needed for the trolls/minotaurs to kill them. Trevor3443 22:51, 7 June 2007 (CEST)

Does Anyone know if this works well with the Sunspear Skill Whirlwind Attack rather than using Cyclone Axe?--71.96.74.233 21:35, 12 September 2007 (CEST)
 * No, because you won't get enough adrenaline to power it up. --Swift Thief 23:15, 12 September 2007 (CEST)

Could Dwarven Stability be used instead of Defensive Stance? At max deldrimor it would give you a 20 seconds long Gladiator's Defense and a 16 seconds long sprint.

I am blown away
Wow.... this build is like .... whoa... I was a poor bugger on the game before i found this build... got hard mode and farmed trolls then once i got practice... i moved to UW and now... wow i just finished buying primeval for all my characters ... except rit and sin lol

Elite
Is it possible to use this build without using Gladiator's Defense? I would really like to try this out, but Glads is pretty far away. - (snō hwīt tăn)  [sic]   [găl'ə-rē]  13:01, 3 July 2007 (CEST)


 * I don't think so. Just get an elite tome. --Swift Thief 22:19, 3 July 2007 (CEST)


 * Shield Stance or Disciplined Stance would work for blocking, but would give no damage. Egon 12:47, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

Using Protectors Defense...
I think Protector Defense would work better than shield stance. You can stack Gladiator's and Protectors Defense together to where you can almost dodge every single hit, not to mention more blocks the faster Gladiators works. They both have same duration, and both can stack to give you almost 100% block... Only 1 or 2 hits will make it thru, but its better than taking a good number of hits with Glads alone. (ReZDoGG 18:55, 28 July 2007 (CEST))
 * Yeah, it could replace defensive stance and it is already in the variants. But I have no idea where you are getting shield stance. --Swift Thief 21:17, 28 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Oh, I meant Defensive Stance.  But Glads and Prot. Defense works well.  Blocks almost every hit, leading to Glads doing damage for every attempted hit from enemies.  Which will do alot faster damage than just Glads alone. (ReZDoGG 22:46, 1 August 2007 (CEST))

dunno if when you want to place a comment you do it like this, but i hope so :). Now i wanted to know i dont have prophecies so i use he build but with Auspicious Parry. Just tried on jade brotherhood knights and got pawnz0red like a ************. Ok so that was kinda frustrating so anybody know a tactics elite in factions and (rather not) but NF? I really hope cause auspicious parry is kinda hard to use and spam ya know. Also, with the whole lightning dmg chain, I barely got those jade brotherhood knights at 50% HP. can you imagine what that would be on grasping darknesses :S ?


 * This build is all about Gladiator's Defense. I tried using Vengeful was Khanhei in tandem with Cruel was Daoshen instead of Gladiator's Defense.  It didn't work so well either... Zcollier 14:53, 7 August 2007 (CEST)

Um may i suggest Destructive was Glavie as an elite, using it right before the spike and using ashes of doashen last,making glavie also drop and then drop doashen :D? RangerManger555 15:56, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Payoff
lets say u farm Uw, how much money u make aprox? 81.225.196.238 11:43, 2 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Do it well, you get plenty. I've known a guy who got a black dye and two ectos from one smite mob. The problem is you can't do hard mode - that, or I'm doing something wrong (the aatxes catch up with you even with sprint). -- Armond Warblade[[Image:Armond sig image.png]] 16:08, 2 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Monster movement speed in Hard Mode is increased, and monsters chase you over a far further range. Napalm Flame  ^_^ [[Image:Napalm_Flame_Sig_Image.JPG‎]] (talk)·(contributions) 11:08, 5 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Well, in my first weekend of using this build, after maybe 6-7 hours of farming (at most), including the time and money it took me to learn the build, I got 14 ectos and lost maybe 15k (mostly from repeated deaths early on). It did help that I had two three-ecto runs, one involving a double drop and one where I actually got 3 ectos from a group of 4 crawlers. :D  Basically, this build will pay off in the long run if you can complete the majority of your runs, since chances are that you will at least get over 1k back in gold/random drops per full run, and statistically speaking you should get an ecto about 2/3 of the time if you kill all of the smite crawlers (assuming ~2% drop rate) --Sarda The Sage 06:10, 21 November 2007 (CET).

Nerfed?
Has this build been nerfed in the Talus Chute troll caves? I have been trying to get some clean runs in on those trolls before going to Underworld, and I cannot for the life of me kill all the mountain trolls in the cave. One or two it seems will always be left after I've run the skillbar, and those one or two eventually kill me... Has anyone else experienced this? Zcollier 09:10, 5 August 2007 (CEST)


 * No it hasn't been nerfed. --Swift Thief 19:47, 5 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Having the same trouble as you, although if Swift Thief says it hasn't been nerfed, its probably just that we're not very experienced with this build. At least I can share your pain >.< --58.107.136.156 14:28, 6 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Yah I have had troubles HMing in trolls, but this build to me is ALOT easier in UW. Just try UW and you'll be suprised.--Watch Yo Back


 * Oh hard mode trolls? Don't know for sure if that works, I didn't add the troll thing there.  This build is better in Underworld than trolls. --Swift Thief 01:14, 8 August 2007 (CEST)

Game updates: Ritualist: Ancestors' Rage: decreased casting time to .25 seconds; removed Exhaustion; functionality changed to: "For 1 second, nothing happens. When this Enchantment ends, all foes adjacent to target ally are struck for 30..130 lightning damage." Does this too any changes on build or is it now better? --Dreamer 07:05, 18 August 2007 (CEST)
 * and its now enchantment too. --Dreamer 07:07, 18 August 2007 (CEST)
 * info: Update - Thursday, August 16, 2007 --Dreamer 07:08, 18 August 2007 (CEST)
 * It's actually better now. 5 energy cost, .25 casting time, and no exhaustion.  The enchantment thing is no problem.  In the skill chain, you do Ancestors' Rage then Cyclone Axe.  When you use Cyclone Axe, Ancestors' Rage will end and the damage from splinter weapon and Ancestors' will trigger at the same time. --Swift Thief 15:15, 18 August 2007 (CEST)

Still viable?
So how's the build working now after the latest update? I'd like to know before using up an elite tome for Gladiator's Defense.
 * It should still be viable. The only things that change are that you can only kill a group every 30 seconds (not a problem cause of glad defense recharge) and that spirit rift has a higher chance of getting interrupted by grasping darknesses (which might pose a light problem). || Ressmonkey 20:00, 10 August 2007 (CEST)

Incorrect, the build is nerfed as Exhaustion is now caused by ancestors rage.--8/10/07


 * The build still works. The energy cost for Ancestor's Rage has been reduced from 10 to 5 so exhaustion does not make this build nerfed.  It will not work as well but it still works like a breeze. --Swift Thief 03:39, 11 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Anyways, my point about the 30 seconds was that exaustion goes away at the rate of 1 energy per 3 seconds, meaing that from 1 skill it will go away completely in 30 seconds. || Ressmonkey 14:12, 11 August 2007 (CEST)

This was also made harder by the fact that Splinter Weapon was also nerfed - only a 20 second duration now - Best to fire Splinter just before you fire off Gladiator's Defense... Lost 4 platinum figuring that out... Zcollier 06:18, 12 August 2007 (CEST) This build isn't worth crap. Aatxe kill you.
 * You break aggro with them by using Sprint Hyperpower! 07:12, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Farming Vermin
Sorry, may be a silly question, but how does one farm Vermin when poison is constantly melting your health away? And no, I'm not new to farming, done it plenty with a VwK build. Thanks =) --JanissaryRush 08:23, 11 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Where does it say farm vermin with this build? - [[Image:Kowal.jpg|15px]] Krowman   08:33, 11 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Use Gladiator's Defense and Protector's Defense so the block rate goes above 75%. You can't get knockdowned/poisoned if they can't hit you with jagged strike, which they most likely will not. --Swift Thief 15:48, 11 August 2007 (CEST)

Can't stack Gladiator's Defense and Defensive Stance?

 * Hey Swift Thief, thanks for the reply, but one thing's been bugging me - is it just me, or can you not stack Gladiator's Defense and Defensive Stance anymore? If so, what's an effective alternative? --JanissaryRush 10:22, 13 August 2007 (CEST)
 * There was NEVER a time where you could stack them. They are both stances, and you can only have on stance at a time.  Use Protector's Defense instead of Defensive Stance and use both that and Gladtiator's Defense, and since Protector's is not a stance, both will work at the same time. --Swift Thief 16:20, 13 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Ah yes, silly me, not knowing anything about Warrior skills. But why does the build list both 'Protector's Defense' and 'Gladiator's Defense' in its primary skills? --JanissaryRush 14:09, 20 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Replace defensive Stance with Protectors'. --Swift Thief 01:16, 21 August 2007 (CEST)

Exhastion = Problem?
I just notice ancestor's rage causes exhaustion now. Can that be replaced for something else, or is this build now nerfed? FiveAcez 04:28, 14 August 2007 (CEST)
 * It's the only skill in this build that has exhaustion. Just use radiant Insignias and runes of attunements and you won't have any problems. --Swift Thief 15:51, 14 August 2007 (CEST)

Spirit Rift
How the hell do you get a 2 second cast off without interrupts?

with gladiators defense, you`ll have a '75% chance to block those interupts, and with protectors defense and glads defense a 92.5 percent to block them. you should thus be able to fire that lightning spike off ;). but i usually use enraged charge instead anyway, the dmg isnt needed in UW.

another Nerf
Now they shored the duration of splinter weapin does it still works then?


 * Of course it does, just use splinter weapon right before pulling. Swift Thief 15:43, 26 August 2007 (CEST)

and yet another Nerf
How about after Splinter Weapon got nerfed again and only affecting 3 foes? As I understand it, cyclone will still trigger Splinter all 5 times in a single attack (assuming a mob), but is the new net damage enough to compensate? I've only farmed smites with my ele, but lately I've been enjoying Rits a lot, so was gonna test some builds out. --False Prophet 23:18, 9 November 2007 (CET)


 * Yes, it still works. There are 2 groups of 3 Graspings, and 1 group of 4 Graspings. That one group might have a leftover Grasping but just use another thing to kill it. Smites, it will work, and I hardly ever get to use the cyclone axe because they are usually already dead. Swift Thief 23:36, 9 November 2007 (CET)

The running part
When I do this run, my main problem is when I run from the start area to the smites themselves, are there any tips for when to start the run through?

Big Smite Mobs?
Whenever I agrro a big mob of smites, 1-2 of them always comes after the others and makes me take extra damage. This usually kills me as I finish my combo. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Rah 09:40, 3 February 2008 (EST)
 * Aggro one group at a time. Swift Thief 10:30, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Normal? Luck? Dam close sometimes
I do have a lot of SOlo UW experience, but sometimes its very close..Sometimes, I only have like 25 hp left after a smites mob of 4, even though I have Gladi's and Protector's Defense running... Can you give me any advice? It will take awhile. but you'll get used to it. Try not to move when you have both stances on(cancels Prot Defense). I've done 100s of times and trust me I still die. Just take your time and learn the build. You can also try practicing on trolls next to Droks:D

Practice?
is there a place where i can practice this build without paying 1k and dying (just in case :D)←Crossfire Is Buff 15:39, 1 March 2008 (EST)


 * Can't afford 1k?[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]] Frans  15:41, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 * Barely lol. I spent everything i owned to buy my ele a torm staff, and 15k sunspear  armor.  I only have 6k now.  But ill use it to farm with this build, but is there a place that i can practice?[[image:Stoneflesh Aura.jpg‎|21px]]←Crossfire Is Buff  15:43, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Can someone PLEASE HELP ME i spent like 10k for runs here and i keep dying. I dont know where the smites are, and i keep dying. Someone PLEASE help←Crossfire Is Buff 21:48, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 * When you spawn, you should be in a pit surrounded by a U-shaped rim packed full of Aataxes, Grasping Darknesses, and Dying Nightmares. Walk backwards immediately, as far away from the mobs as possible.  Now carefully pull and kill the Grasping Darkness mobs one at a time, being wary of their Skull Crack.  Once that's done, wait for the Aataxes to move, then move up the right side of the bowl and down the tunnel/canyon to the right.  It'll lead you to a big room with two or three more mobs.  Dodge all of them and head down the tunnel entrance just above where you are.  There will be two sets of stairs with one Aataxe mob in between.  Run past the Aataxes and up the second set of stairs.  You should be at the entrance of the Smite chamber now.
 * That guide might be a little inaccurate, it's been a long time since I've farmed Smites. Here's a crude map I found, with the location of the Smite mobs and the path you should take once you're in the chamber. --71.229 00:21, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Ok, i figured out the run from my friend. We dual farmed with rit and monk.  Very good results from my first solo run (smite dropped a req 12 gold eternal bow ^^)[[image:Stoneflesh Aura.jpg‎|21px]]←Crossfire Is Buff  08:51, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * My only problem now is the coldifre knights, how do i avoid them.[[image:Stoneflesh Aura.jpg‎|21px]]←Crossfire Is Buff 08:51, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Don't fight the smites when you are anywhere near a coldfire's patrol path. Its not that hard :S Lord of all tyria 08:53, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * Dammm i only have 1k left. Any places i can farm w/ this besides UW to get more money for the underworld?[[image:Stoneflesh Aura.jpg‎|21px]]←Crossfire Is Buff  10:27, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * try 330 hylocan job farming, thread is on guru [[Image:Image-darkstone knight Sig.jpg|19px]]Darkstone Knight ( Υ / ζ ) 11:02, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Dwarven Stability
why isnt this on the main build? a rank as low as 6 will give you better sprint and the 7 more seconds of 75% block that defensive would, it also makes you have permanet sprint, just watch out for nightmares when running i guess. 201.95.155.196 14:12, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Drunken Master
this is a much better skill for running, all you need is a cheap ale, a 1 pointer. at r0, it can be maintained constantly and at higher ranks, can boost you more than sprint

WARRIOR
CAN I RUN THIS BUILD WITH A WARRIOR?
 * Only if you turn caps lock off. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]Tab  Moo  06:15, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You might be able to, but it would be very hard on energy and not as much damage. There are better UW solo builds if you want to use a warrior. <font color="#000">&not; Klump eet  10:43 {GMT} 28-05-<font face="Times">MMVIII

vwk variant
can i use vwk instead of gladi def?
 * Hard to use an axe when you are carrying ashes. That would be a completely different build, which I am pretty sure is on here. Try searching for it. - 07:49, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

so can u tell me a variant for gladi that is on nf ,factions and eotn skills?
 * I would imagine there is no variant of a proph elite build for people without proph. --<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  07:16, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Bring it Back -.-
Wtf? It's still one of the fastest UW Solo Smites build and it's for Rt. Still using it, works great. Don't understand some ppl. Well, unarchive and put it to Great. I think that every1 will agree with me. --Kamis 04:58, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * I 100 no 1000% agree with you i mean this was like, the best and fastest UW build for rits this is just stupid, why delete?

Problem
I always seem to do not enough damage, the grasps have like a mini bar of health left?what do i do wrong?I also used a sup rune of channeling, still the same.


 * just read the usage, if you fail then you prolly use it wrong. --''' -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 15:26, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * If u r using the same build as this one in NM, u should first cast Cruel Was Daoshen and wait until it will recharge. Then, cast Splinter Weapon and aggro a group of grasps using Sprint. Use Gladiators Defense ->Spirit Rift-> Cruel Was Daoshen-> Ancestors' Rage->drop the Ashes->Cyclone Axe. They MUST be dead. If not, cast Ancestors' Rage once again, but they should be in hell already ;p I'm using Enraging Charge and Healing Signet instead of Defensive Stance and Spirit Rift. So I have to cast Ancestors' Rage twice, but I have +3secs of Glad Def. Healing signet - if smites wont die in one shot, u will have time to heal ur self and kill survivors. Enraging Charge - I just prefer one more speed buff cos Sprint isn't enough sometimes ;p. GL |Once, again, WHY DID U ARCHIVE THIS??!! Kamis 18:01, 5 January 2009 (EST)


 * cuz der r btr bilds, it sais n d frnt pge. did this guy just remove his comment? --''' -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 18:03, 5 January 2009 (EST)


 * lol no, he moved it -.- --''' -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 18:05, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Can u show me those better builds then? The RT builds, pls. Kamis 18:06, 5 January 2009 (EST)


 * I found this, I don't farm stuff so won't give opinions. --''' -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 18:11, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * Than I can tell u, that Rt/W IS better/faster than 330 for uw ;p Kamis 18:13, 5 January 2009 (EST)


 * I looked at the same thing. PvXwiki assumes that you have the optimal equipment for doing something, and as such, if another profession can farm faster then this is worse and as such should be archived as outdated. But if this is the fastest rit farming build then you have a point. --''' -Ch ao  s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 18:18, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 * That's stupid thing in PvX ;p IMHO, it should be moved back to Great. End. Kamis 18:25, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Solved
Thanks man, i just did the attribution quests and what you said and it worked fine
 * Np, wish u good drops ;) TC --Kamis 10:53, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Unarchived
I've just brought this back. Some guy archived it cos he though that its outdated -.-''. DON'T DO LIKE THAT -<font face="calibri" color="black" variant="small caps">17:33, 28 February 2009
 * TY YOU ARE GOD

Help Me please
Could someone please help me with this build.. I can't aggro the graspings without aggroing the Aatxes, talk to me Ingame if you can please.. Spiritual Was Amina --222.154.42.184 01:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Use sprint once you aggro them. Make sure you're in NM btw.

Please Help Me Someone
I'm having a Problem in HM..Is it even Possible? On all the Video's I watch you can never see the HM Icon.. If it is possible how do you pull w/o bringing the Aatxe ...Please Help --Dark Defender Dex 07:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC) or IGN: Dexter Morgans Rage
 * It's a NM farm anyway. HM doesn't give higher ecto drops anyway. Brandnew 07:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * does gives tomes :<--Relyk 09:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)