Archive talk:E/N GvG Mind Shock Elementalist

ITS LIKE EXPUNGE ENCHANTMENTS, BUT ITS MIND SHOCK. -- Frosty  19:27, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol enervating Charge-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 23:00, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
 * That isn't the problem; enfeeble is.Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 00:47, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Shut up, it wins monthlies vs rawr so it must be good. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] Railin 02:04, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * ^+3 -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 05:52, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Attunement is kind of useless in GvG. @Railin Enfeeble is actually more annoying than enervating charge. Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 08:53, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Attunement is useless??? wtf -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 08:55, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * I keep getting attunement stripped. Surprising, eh?Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 08:59, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Don't have a bad team then ok? -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 09:00, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Strange, I don't remember you are supposed to cover attunement with things like guardian.Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 09:01, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * D-Shot. -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 09:01, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * In theory.Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 09:07, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Yup, anyway, it's a counter, and using Shock Arrow means energy will never get bad -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 09:07, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock arrow is awesome with attunement, without it it's decent at most. Also, e-charge is a spike skill at first, then comes the warrior weakness(blind > weakness anyway). Attunement is a req, you're running mind shock in a shit defensive build where ench removal doesn't do enough to shut down. - Unexist.

Enchantment removal is a counter to practically any build with an enchantment. Anyway, practically every Ele bar needs Attunement. --  Guild  of   Deals   09:09, 26 October 2008 (EDT)


 * Lol Frosty added obs build first, was first kinda stunned like wtf is this but it's kinda rawr style played against them^^ They didnt have a Mesmer, so this guy could just spam Bflash and all its defensive skills... Spikkes hard too Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 09:13, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * It are Euroesque -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 09:14, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You got shock arrow, provided it doesn't get d shotted.Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 10:31, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * And enchantment removal is a big problem especially when attunement has ridiculous recharge.Pika Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 10:32, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Shock Arrow isn't stupidly easy to d-shot like drain is -- Frosty [[Image:Mini england.jpg|19px]] 10:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, enchantment removal is the bane of most build with enchantments. It's an inevitability we have to face. Name one Elementalist build (outside of Farming and Running) that doesn't have an Attunement. Ether Renewal/Prodigy builds don't count. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:red;background-color:gold;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;"> Guild  of   Deals   10:34, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 * MoM builds-- Shadow [[Image:Relyk Sig.gif]] 07:56, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * @frost Exactly.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 08:05, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * You notice the recharge of attunement is even worse than LA, and this build doesn't have a cover enchant?<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 08:06, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

I'd say that one of the weakness spells should go, and be replaced with Aura of Restoration. Practically every elementalist build needs it for a cover enchantment. 153.2.246.34 10:58, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
 * Rend Enchantments removes lots...--[[Image:User-Liger414 Air of Enchantment.jpg|19px]] <font color="Blue">Liger414 <font color="Teal">talk  11:18, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * Rend should be reserved for coordinated spikes, not to remove aura of restoration and attunements.<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Pika <font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">Fan [[image:lightningbolt_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 11:38, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * Fair enough =p--[[Image:User-Liger414 Air of Enchantment.jpg|19px]] <font color="Blue">Liger414 <font color="Teal">talk  11:39, 7 November 2008 (EST)
 * People don't strip attu's vs eurobuilds; they divert (for example on this bar) bflash and spam ench removal at monks. Otherwise they can't kill for shit. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  03:58, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Mind Shocker
[build prof=E/N air=12+1+1 energy=11+1 cur=6][Mind Shock][Shell Shock][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Rend Enchantments][Enfeeble][Blinding Flash][Air Attunement][Resurrection Signet][/build]

As this is used in spikkes, Rend and Shell shock is nice, altough idk which is best.. Massive  10:44, 21 November 2008 (EST)
 * So Rend -> Shell Shock -> Mind Shock on spikes? That will take like 5 seconds of casting time to pull off... [[Image:JonasGWWAvatar.jpg]]  Jonas  10:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't have to use everything on spikes... [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 11:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

whow ive always been using the current version of this build... people better not start using it >.< its my secret weapon against monks Chaosforce 02:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hope u knew Sup ran this about 7months? ago Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 23:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Modified bar to fit meta
Usually you're running this with a PoD nec so strip enchants isn't commonly used--Goldenstar 14:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You are? :/ -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  23:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Although I do agree with the removal of strip, I'm just seeing less PoD's used with this recently. Shatter Storms are being more and more used from what I've seen. -- Crowels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  00:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Generally ran with mass ench removal on another guy, kinda. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 21:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * BUT ENFEEEEEEEEEEEBLE. without it, you're not nearly as euro. this is a problem. 128.255.216.144 17:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * PoD is tons better then shatter storm desperite the fact that you can interupt it. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  07:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ofc it is lol. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> the <font color="Blue">Admin 12:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Dshot
Is by far the best variant for RA. Fun as hell, and extremely effective.--118.90.61.118 16:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * you can slap D-Shot on any bar and make it better.--70.118.197.232 00:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Chain Lightning
Is a decent variant, either in the optional or in place of Lightning Bolt. 86.139.144.161 17:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * More energy, less damage, longer cast, longer recharge. Not that good a variant--TahiriVeila 17:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But it's CHAIN LIGHTNING 86.139.144.161 17:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Move page to E/N rather than E/any
Everybody runs this build as E/N. Nobody has run it as /Rt since the nerf to Weapon of Warding. And, with the nerf to Rend Enchantments as well, this is the correct build that should be listed on the front page:

[build prof=E/N air=12+1+1 energy=9+1 blood=8 cur=5][Blinding Flash][Mind Shock][Shell Shock][Enfeeble][Strip Enchantment][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Air Attunement][Resurrection Signet][/build] Oops, forgot to sign. Zuranthium 08:57, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Archived June 4, 2010
Too bad... The "Burning Mind Shock" variant with, I use all the time. Hard to beat the wallop it throws for a spike.--GeroWizhard 13:02, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is more GvG orientated. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 13:59, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I misuderstand your point... This variant or the build in general is more GvG oriented?--GeroWizhard 11:09, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The build. --<font color="PowderBlue">Frosty  [[Image:Newsigfrost.jpg|19px]] 11:12, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The variant plays well at RA for sure. I agree with you in that it probably wouldn't do as well as water in GvG for the utility rather than spike.   does the same long distance KD as Mindshock, but without the damage.  This is better for spiking one and KDing the other (and save your elite).--GeroWizhard 11:48, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Invoke Lightning
With Invoke now being 8 recharge and a 1 second cast, could it be considered a usable substitute for Mind Shock, less KD but more reliable and more usable spike assist. <font color="Black">Frostels 10:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Invoke lightning is pretty fucking strong IMO. I dont know alot about GvG but dont KD's come from hammers?--GWPirate 15:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait till we start seeing it played. I'm inclined to agree but sticking big damage on gale is really strong too, and might be favored for bar compression alone.--TahiriVeila 16:01, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

unmeta this
--Lemming 10:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Back to great or archive because of Invoke buff? <font color="Black">Frostels 10:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * archive? Invoke with gale is far superior.-- Amor  [[Image:Harrier's_Haste.jpg|19px]] 10:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)