Build talk:R/N FA May Toucher

Awaken the Blood?-- GWPirate 关 10:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Defile enchantments and Feedback say no. (more damage to you and energy denial) Chieftain Alex  12:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * DE is a 2 second cast, it's not going to be getting spammed. Who the fuck uses feedback? I don't think I've ever seen that on a bar ever.  Raskhax ↓  →  ↑  B  12:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * FA NPC's... Miharo 13:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Owned. -- Jai .  -  14:59, March 11 2012 (UTC)
 * Man only two Mesmers on Purple Side and in front of Green Gate have feedback. And thats because they have a mashup of retarded skills. And who the fuck cares about Defile enchantments? It only strikes for +18/19/whatever it is. You use one touch and you get your hp back. And, however, every prof that has enchantments that gets those skills will get the epic damage and the uberawesome energy denial of defile and feedback. So, basically, youre saying that an elementalist isnt good in FA because 6 npcs have those amazing skills. Pure genius. [[Image:CR.jpg|19px]] Chonsy Rulez   16:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Chill mate, he only said it wasn't worth taking because they pack those skills(+ enchantment removal is very common in FA). He didn't diss the profession. Eles usually pack covers. To me AtB just seems too weak to be worth the slot and the fact that it will be removed semi often, doesn't help Miharo 17:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer Demonic Flesh :D Miharo 17:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Demonic Flesh would be worth it. You wouldn't use it at Kurzick Mesmers. AtB looks pretty crappy in comparison.-- Relyk 18:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Plague Sending is better &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 18:53, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Strip should be in optionals. Although enchantments rarely effect you, stripping that PS or spell breaker or whatever, can be really useful Miharo 18:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Stripping spell breaker using boss mode? >.> But yeah I could see enchantment removal being useful - allows allies to "spike" (lol fa) stuff too. Chieftain Alex  20:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, so you were bitching about npcs fucking you alex? That's twice as retarded as me assuming players would be doing it.  Raskhax  ↓  →  ↑  B  22:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And yeah, DF sounds beast mode.  Raskhax ↓  →  ↑  B  22:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Its just nuts to bring something that increases damage you take. Extra 20 damage per necro for a whopping 6 health gain per bite. woo? Plus bringing an enchantment makes you more counterable by the meta mesmers with shatter enchantment (fags). DF would be more damage {20} - so basically eliminate AtB as an option >.> Chieftain Alex  23:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Plus the cost/recharge/duration is alot cooler. Miharo 01:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Im perfectly calm actually. Maybe my comment doesnt seem calm, but ok. However AtB is strong but I didnt remember the cooldown so yes, too much counterable. However same problem with Demonic flesh, actually. Chonsy Rulez  16:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ^profanities. But yeah, I wouldn't bring either of those. Miharo 16:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * However I have one question: can I vote a build even if I didnt tested it but I saw many players using it and know how it is or I must test it? Chonsy Rulez  16:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're allowed to vote, you're allowed to vote. Your reasons might be better if you test it though. Miharo 17:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Or you could just lie and say you've tested it. Kracatoan 17:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats pretty obvious Kracatoan Chonsy Rulez  11:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tested like 3 builds in the last 3 years. You'll be fine. -- Jai .  -  12:07, March 14 2012 (UTC)

i can see 5 of these things doing business in GvG but no time to write up the page now &#9823;Fianchetto 23:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That feeling when you're the only one on pvx who actually tests shit >:  Rask ✂  ✂  ✂  ✂  23:49, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * GvG Touchway was just trashed so please don't.-- Relyk 03:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Meta


Chonsy Rulez  16:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * no --Silven Shadow 21:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Theres at least one toucher in every game. Chonsy Rulez  11:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Leecher --Silven Shadow 07:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ? You plant yourself in the middle of their gate, you don't die, and they take aoe from whirling and demonic flesh. there's nothing wrong with it &mdash;  ska  23:30, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The only reason it's good for bad players is because they don't have to worry about survivability. While other players will still have more without being only useful verse single target NPC's --Silven Shadow 00:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * lol tank green gate NPC's and let people nuke the shit out of them. Also, beats the shit out of prots. Miharo 00:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Goes back to the arguement of if you're enemy is retarded run XXXX. Not a good way to play PvP, which is the reasoning for most of the builds I trash. Any build can beat bad players, that's why posting a single one that does is just dumb. --Silven Shadow 12:36, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Because prots are bad? Or because tanking the green gate NPCs and balling them for nukes is bad? I'm not following. Miharo 14:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well EVERY ele build except water builds are fucking dumb and everyone can play them, but theyre still meta. However in Guild Wars meta also refers to the frequency of the build, thats why I say its meta. Theres at least one toucher in every game in FA. And it requires the same skills as an ele, so I dont know why it shouldnt be in meta. Chonsy Rulez  16:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If a build has been vetted and it's a frequently-used build, it's meta. It doesn't matter how good it is, and it shouldn't even matter whether it's been vetted or not. However, as a general rule we don't give FA/JQ/RA builds the meta tag unless they're decent enough to be vetted to prevent having to add Wammo's and stuff. Since this has gotten a Good rating and is obviously used a lot (by scrubs), it deserves a meta tag. -- Jai .  -  16:19, March 18 2012 (UTC)
 * the meta-ness will long outlive the flux, probably &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 19:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the flux gives this at least an ounce of usefulness. That's the only reason why it's here at all. Once the flux is over, this is undoubtedly going to be archived. -- Jai .  -  19:44, March 18 2012 (UTC)

* deleted. its only good. gotta be great to archive. <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex 20:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * this is a general rule for flux builds? &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 20:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, you've convinced me that it should be meta, but I still do not believe it's a good build. Definately not great. --Silven Shadow 21:22, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * @Alex: That's not the only situation for archival. Great just pretty much guarantees archival.
 * Also, pretty much all the votes on this suck and I'd like expanded reasonings. If you have to ask if your vote is one of the many: yes, fix it. -- Toraen   confer  22:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh well silven ive never said it is a great build <font color="DarkRed">Chonsy <font color="DarkRed">Rulez   12:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Guys, it's gonna last ~10 more days. Is it really that big of a deal whether it sits in Good or it sits in Trash during that time? People will use it regardless of the outcome. If nothing else, we should be arguing what to do with it after the flux. I'd vote for archive, simply because we've documented short-lived meta's before, such as Doomspike. Such a random build popping out of such a random flux is kinda interesting if you ask me. -- Jai .  -  12:59, March 19 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it shouldnt be archived, because next march it will pop up again. But I recognise it will be just a waste of space for the next year, soooo I have no idea. <font color="DarkRed">Chonsy <font color="DarkRed">Rulez  15:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * a build wiki cannot be complete consistent without the Toucher as an element. &#9823;Fianchetto [[Image:Mending.jpg|19px|link=User_talk:Fianchetto]] 17:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Lol
Spotted this screen of goldcape shitters using it  <font face="Calibri" color=black>Chieftain Alex  08:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep Ive seen Age of Adz too. Lol thats ridicolous, and its also quite sad they dont have any other build to bring... <font color="DarkRed">Chonsy <font color="DarkRed">Rulez  15:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Making it all year round
Touch ranger is a meme build and always was. However it's still played seriously and regularly (yes, in 2020) to this day exclusively in FA, even without the May Flux. Could we revamp and rename this page so it's treated as an all year round build (with mentions of the May Flux, obviously)?

However, it may end like a carbon copy of Archive:R/N Touch Ranger.

Hmm. Tbh those two pages could be merged, as an FA only page with a votewipe?... It's not competitive elsewhere but is still competitive in FA and it's not even the most trollish FA ranger build here (EoE bomber takes the cake!). Feydslynox (talk) 08:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind an up to date merge + vote wipe. It's definitely still in use. Any other opinions? --Krschkr (talk) 14:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC)