Archive talk:Mo/Rt Splinter Bonder

'Your elite is very viable.' Don't you mean Variable? - Rawrawr  13:08, 27 October 2007 (CEST)
 * Yes. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  13:43, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

Any suggestions for what is best as elite, i've put bl in because it's universality, but i don't know if any others could be better? - Unexist  13:16, 27 October 2007 (CEST) Guess i'll just stick with blight and get it to untested.. - Unexist  20:52, 27 October 2007 (CEST)


 * Signet of Removal could be nice. (Yeah I fail at sign) Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 21:11, 28 October 2007 (CET)
 * Signet of removal is a possible option, but still, it kinda fails in ha. Nobudy uses that mutch hexes on warriors(except for snares). Blight is also a heal for in capture points, which is very nice if you wanna keep your team alive in where you usually didnt bring a monk. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  18:34, 31 October 2007 (CET)
 * Meh, theres that eurohex variant thats becoming pretty common, but probly not enough to warrant SoR. - Rawrawr  19:09, 31 October 2007 (CET)
 * I guess you mean the double-migraine and 2 necro's build started by DoM? If you wanna counter that, you don't go for signet of removal, but you go for divert... Hex stacks. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  15:27, 1 November 2007 (CET)

Umm im sorry but is this build actually serious? Bonder's never work in HA. Any mesmer would ruin it with Mirror of Disenchantment. I dont get why this is even useful at all. Honestly if you need a support ritualist get one, dont get a monk. It just doesnt make sense.  Beast 194  22:20, 2 November 2007 (CET)
 * Umm I'm sorry but bonders do. Mesmer don't carry mirror in HA. And support rits aren't everything either, they're purely for the splinter/warmongers/ancestors combo, rest is just all of crap on them. -  [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  16:34, 6 November 2007 (CET)
 * No one carries mirror in HA. Which is funny considering how many bonders and tainters are in HA :D--Goldenstar 23:23, 21 November 2007 (CET)
 * Simply cuz ripping off channeling with inspired = energy manamgent for mesmers. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  14:33, 25 November 2007 (CET)

Lol. This build is epic fail. Your a Monk. Be a smiter OR a healer, not both. One crappy heal, with bonds, with weapon spells? Why? -- Guild of  Deals  02:32, 28 November 2007 (CET)
 * So all multi-task builds area bad? Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 21:01, 28 November 2007 (CET)


 * Well, bonders in HA pretty much do fail. Especially with weapon spells that you'll need to spam this keeps looking worse and worse, unless you arent planning on having any energy degen (which you will), that you almost have to with an 8 man team. So you have spammable skills with no energy management except for an easily interruptable skill. And those attributes on a bonder a TERRBILE 9 prot with life bond and 9 smite with strength of honor. The build is trash, put as lightly as i could.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (talk ) 01:35, 30 November 2007 (CET)
 * If you think bonder's are terrible then you are terrible, comment ignored. - [[Image:Weapon_of_Fury.jpg|20px]]Unexist  17:48, 1 December 2007 (CET)

LOL!! When do you ever see bonders hold halls? They are terrible positions to have on any ha team because they are very inflexible parts of the team. The attributes are still terrible. The build is terrible ive rated it now im done.  Beast 194  (talk ) 20:34, 1 December 2007 (CET)
 * With the right people, bonders work perfectly well in Halls. Having an SoD bonder for king of the hill is FTW. A bonder can help if you get people trying to spike your runners. The only time bonding in HoH can be a problem in HA is cap points, and even there, you're going to lose bonds if you decide to split to gank another teams base. So you attempt to keep the gank team's bonds up as long as possible, and put them back on when they come back from their gank. My guild almost always includes bonders in our builds, and we win halls daily. THIS bonder does not work well, but an SoD bonder with SoA, aura of stability, and one or two other small prots are INCREDIBLY helpful to teams--Goldenstar 01:37, 4 December 2007 (CET)


 * Most teams would use straight heal instead of a bonder. The attributes are terrible STILL.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (talk ) 04:10, 4 December 2007 (CET)
 * You see that bar? That's what i'm talking about, it are weapon spells + Ancestors but nothing additional, all just crap things. Not that that isn't good, but this is just the same bar with more utility(and less e-mangment, but that's ftl anyway). Like life bond for defence against iway, can heal with BL, can remove conditions + hexes with BL, with still the same weapon spells. Attributes are kinda crap yes, but it's best you can make outta this(or suggest what's better instead of screaming that are attribute points suck). - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  12:19, 6 December 2007 (CET)

THat bar is a ritualist so more damage with the weapon spells, again i just have a prejudice against bonders in ha. Ive destroyed them too much, for people who like bonders this may work. But in my experience(my build) the other build works a ton better because it does its job so much better than any hybrid. People can use this if they want, ill kill them anyway you throw them at me, i just dont like the build at all. Bonders are major fail from my experience.  Beast 194  (talk ) 21:30, 6 December 2007 (CET)
 * Please beast, leave the page till you know what you are talking about. - Rawrawr  21:31, 6 December 2007 (CET)


 * wow....[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (talk ) 21:38, 6 December 2007 (CET)


 * Lets put it this way if you are going to run a weapon spammer run a weapon spammer, plus smiter, thats ok, but adding healing and protection to the same bar, makes smite weak, weapon spells weak and protection weak. Sorry but its just true. A weapon spell spammer is going to do 20 more damage with each hit with his splinter and its going to last longer. Warmongers on this bar wont be able to be kept up on any target as well as a build that is specified for weapon spamming and ancestors does 40 less damage than it would on a spammer. The build i have up there does its job the way its supposed to. This barely does its job in all the directions it goes, except for blessed light which is good in this case because of high divine favor. Spamming weapon spells with energy degen isnt going to be the best way to keep them up, even if you are spamming blessed signet because it will be interrupted 4/5 times i assure you. Splinter would work in this case but warmongers which costs 10 energy is a bit much considering you have a 10 energy heal. Everything is much weaker than it would be on a build that does only weapon spamming + smiting, or Protection + healing. And i do know what i am talking about so please dont be like that.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 21:50, 6 December 2007 (CET)
 * Read my previous comment. - Rawrawr  21:52, 6 December 2007 (CET)
 * Wow stop being an idiot rawrawr, people have different preferances and i dont like how this build is laid out. It relaly annoys me when people like you arent really idiots but choosing to be, its my opinion of the build, i know what im talking about.One persons love of something doesnt have to make it everyones opinion. You arent an idiot so stop trying to be >.<.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 21:56, 6 December 2007 (CET)
 * 'Well, bonders in HA pretty much do fail.' ... - Rawrawr  21:57, 6 December 2007 (CET)
 * I dont like bonders in HA, its my opinion i dont see why that makes me an idiot. I havent found them that useful compared to other things, other people love them, i just dont, so please get off my back about it. By me giving my rating it doesnt mean that noone can use bonders anymore and the "Great, Good, Other" rating of this build wont make people stop. I just dont like them. I wish people on wiki would let other people express opinions better without making them feel like an idiot, i would make my rating 3-3-4 if the attributes are good, which btw directly correlates with the effectiveness of the build. So my comments are that stupid >.<[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 22:03, 6 December 2007 (CET)
 * I asked for what you suggest for attributes, still no responce. /Agree with raw. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Unexist  16:01, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Seriously beast, since attrbs seem to be you biggest prob, post good ones then. Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (<font color="Black">contributions  * sandbox ) 20:01, 12 December 2007 (CET)

[build prof=Mo/Rt div=6+1 pro=10+1+1 smi=9+1 cha=10][Shield of Deflection][Life Bond][Balthazar's Spirit][Strength of Honor][Splinter Weapon][Warmonger's Weapon][Ancestors' Rage][Blessed Signet][/build] Much better at the stand for prot-ing the ghostly, better protection over heals since you should have something like hb or woh if you run this, more damage on the weapons and smite, ok energy management. That looks much nicer to me. Just my opinion...  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 23:05, 12 December 2007 (CET)

meant the shrine not the stand >.<.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 23:07, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * You changed 1 skill. &mdash; Skakid  HoHoHo 23:08, 12 December 2007 (CET)


 * attributes.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 23:10, 12 December 2007 (CET)
 * Y O U [FaiL]. Srly, that fails totally more then current attributes. SoD isn't that great anymore, it kills your energy(life bond trigger=energy), and recharge is 10 which is ftl. And about attributes, having a few more points into prot purely for life bond is ftl, just put a soa on the bonder and he's invinci. You really need moar divine favor since you otherwise will run out of energy. Energy isn't great on this build, reducing DF is like killing the energy even more. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Unexist  18:47, 15 December 2007 (CET)

No, i think you fail in this situation, think about what you are saying, worrying about 10 energy when you have a 10 energy heal in your bar, If you knew what the build i pinged was to be used for then e-management wouldnt be bad at all. You should have fine energy management if you prot enough people with lifebond. The build i posted gets more out of skills in the bar, it IS better at using the prot and smite. Get over it Unexist, check tags on builds before you say i fail, namely the Team - Minion Factory Reborn. You just said yourself how easily it is to run out of energy with this build, and please stop saying i fail, NPA is pretty much exempting you i guess. Just stop, its getting really annoying, and to be honest however many times you say that its not gonna make it true.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 22:52, 15 December 2007 (CET)
 * Then NPA me, I'm tired of having explaining every time while you say the same thing every time - and not act. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Unexist  14:11, 21 December 2007 (EST)
 * I r winrar - Rawrawr  14:18, 21 December 2007 (EST)

posting an alternative build is acting unexist.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 22:06, 23 December 2007 (EST)
 * If he'd post something better, yes. But he didn't. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Unexist  10:46, 27 December 2007 (EST)

lol! if you like it or not dont complain, i acted on what i was saying.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 01:15, 28 December 2007 (EST) Less epic fail plx. - <font color="Black">Unexist  16:01, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Be a man and run BL, simple as that. <font color="Black">Fishy <font color="Red">Moo <font color="Grey">oo  16:24, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Before all of you argue further, GET DIFFERENT FRIGGIN ICONS. The colors are too similar, it's annoying <3. – Ichigo 724  00:55, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Concluding this clusterfuck
Bonders are hawt in HA. Since mesmers don't have mirror, a bonder provides powerful damage mitigation to the team. All in all, not bad. That said, I'm an SoD bonder guy myself but bonders=pwn. Stop being fail, Beast.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   22:55, 11 January 2008 (EST)
 * Fail? Coming from you? Hah, you can talk, can't you... I don't have a problem with the build, mirror isn't run in HA often, if ever, and bonders are reasonably effective. I'd rather take something more flexible, but it works. Gaypalm 08:12, 12 January 2008 (EST)
 * Grinch, do you notice the build i put out there...stop being so fail.[[Image:Beast194Sig.Jpg|19px]]  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 00:24, 13 January 2008 (EST)
 * That build is fail, and grinsh is leet. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Unexist  08:32, 13 January 2008 (EST)

He just said that he liked that version better.  Beast 194  (<font color="Black">talk ) 20:24, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Clusterfuck, lol. Too much dane cook for someone.- Jak123X 23:02, 18 January 2008 (EST)
 * Dane Cook is a can of smashed assholes and "clusterfuck" was around long before he was. --71.229 23:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Archive?
No one runs three monk backlines anymore, let alone bonders--Goldenstar 20:28, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Lol, this wasn't even used in real builds in the first place, it doesn't matter. This does still work, tho. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  12:58, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
 * A build shouldn't be archived just 'cause it's fallen out of meta (unless, of course, due to nerfing) or even if it never were meta to begin with. If a build works to a certain degree it works, wether it's used or not.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:00, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
 * It doesn't work, no one runs near enough melee to warrant bringing a bonder. Thus you should archive as it's not part of the meta anymore--Goldenstar 13:01, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Ricky, go look at archived builds, there're dozens in there that are archived because of meta shifts. This should be archived as there are other builds that do the job it's designed to do (channeling magic and party support) much better--Goldenstar 13:05, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
 * It never was in the meta anyway =\ Rawrawr  13:07, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
 * OoS party support? Hmm.. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  10:36, 29 March 2008 (EDT)


 * Just because your monks suck and you can't run any less than 3 defensive midliners doesn't mean good people don't run 2 frontliners. &mdash;  Skakid  10:37, 29 March 2008 (EDT)