Archive talk:R/W E-Smash Thumper

Fuckin ownz. OYN after enraged KD btw. -- 22:27, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * has amazing potential...-- Ikimono I know my Paragons [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 22:33, 11 December 2008 (EST)


 * One of the best of this update tbh. Lots and lots of kd, and lots of defense. -- 22:34, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * The peace and harmony update made me jump for joy.-- Ikimono I know my Paragons [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 22:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 * Very unique I like it.(Timcago 00:11, 12 December 2008 (EST))
 * one thing after looking at it (thought i saw a different skill first), Hammer Bash removes all your adrenaline, so the only chance you're going to get to use "On Your Knees!" is when you KD with Enraged. Other than that it looks good.-- Ikimono I know my Paragons [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 09:10, 12 December 2008 (EST)

wut? So bstrike someone with enraged, hit OYK and lose all the adrenaline you gained and somehow manage to be able to spam hammer bash? - 09:33, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * Use "OYK!" after you KD the foe with Enraged Smash
 * Spam Hammer Bash
 * You'd be better with distracting strike to catch skills when they stand up since you don't have the benefit of Daze. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 09:49, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * yea, that looks better. Or you could bring "None Shall Pass!" for the Monty Python reference and an extra KD.-- Ikimono I know my Paragons [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 10:01, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * Or you could bring something that isn't a 10e, 45s recharge bull's strike instead. Like bull's strike. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 10:55, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * What do you reccomend to do then? You can drop hammer bash and still take oyk, or drop oyk? I would have to go with that one.... Frenzy+Nat Stride then? lol....  11:25, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * I gave you recommendations. dstrike, prot strike, and bull's are probably your only choices there. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 11:35, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Look mate, i can't KD with that elite because they stop always xD.--ValeV 11:16, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * And yet every warrior in PvP manages to hit their Bull's strikes. - [[Image:Panic_sig5.png]] 11:35, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * LOL @ You. Hitting bull's strike is by far the most serious thing that a warrior should be good at; and it is far from easy, ofcourse becoming harder and harder against better players. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  15:13, 13 December 2008 (EST)


 * That's what I was thinking, if the target doesn't kite you can only KD with Hammer Bash, which means you lose your adrenaline and can't use OYK to recharge your stances. However, kiting is usually preferable to standing still and getting hammered with melee and ele DoTAoE. Anyhow Enraged Smash = adrenaline machine = Hammer Bash often enough to make this viable. Should be fun to test.--Spoon 11:53, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * Question - Hows the timing if you Enraged->Prot Strike->HBash? How long are they up inbetween?  12:05, 12 December 2008 (EST)
 * Possible? ->  12:12, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Hammer Bash+Enraged is kind of redundant. If your target doesn't kite, better for you. Knocking down a standing target mostly matters in a spike situation, and you don't use R/Ws in spike teams. Asdfg 13:34, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Sprint is gud. --Lost 22:37, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Bull's Strike
Throw bull's strike in for another kite punish?Masterbow 04:58, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * No need tbh.--[[Image:Altruismliger.jpg|19px]] Liger414  talk  04:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * ^What he said. There's already a 5 second recharge though :\ + hammer bash. Imo, if you hit with Enraged the first time, you've got a second KD to punish them, and by that time Enraged is recharged, then they stand up > Move > KD, and the wildebeest eat the grass. if you catch my drift.-- Ikimono I know my Paragons [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 05:01, 13 December 2008 (EST)

The name sounds like
or something. It's confusing. - Star Seeker  05:43, 13 December 2008 (EST)

mainbarring. --F rosty 08:56, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Ok.  08:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)


 * I suppose the original bar had "OYK!".. Do you want lightning reflexes anymore? 3 stances already anyways. --Chaos Messenger 11:39, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Lightning Reflexes is amazing. --F rosty 11:46, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Flail + Hammerbash. Fuck Yea.-- Ikimono I know my Paragons [[Image:Paragon-icon-small.png]] 11:49, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * What?  11:51, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * At a guess, I'd say Flail is for when you catch someone with Enraged and Lightning Reflexes is down. Kabu To 11:58, 13 December 2008 (EST)

This actually looks rather good; however, drop flail as it's trash on the current bar. Expertise makes you spam that precious prot strike so you actually still have damage. —ǘŋ Ɛxɩsƫ  15:10, 13 December 2008 (EST)


 * I suppose that too is an aswell droppable stance. I'm happy when we're down to two of em.--Chaos Messenger 15:17, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I saw this coming a mile away when I first saw the changes. This is going to be everywhere soon. =.= Looks pretty good as is. Add poison for increased levels of epic IMO KaHasuken

A variant could be to drop sprint and LR for tigers fury and run as one (note that it doesnt need a pet). With 8+1 in BM this would allow you to keep up an IAS for 90% of the time, and have a longer lasting speed boost. Although this would lower you defence without a blocking stance. Subarucar 19:36, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Raise
Wildy and put in natural stride>? instead of d-strike. Longer IMS ? Dutchess of Rose aka  lukejohnson  - talk 19:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah no reason not to spec in it, just means some zealous hammer--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  22:56, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Actually, it only makes energy better. If you replace Sprint w/ it I mean. Cuz Sprint is unaffected by Exp, and there are no 10e skills, which is the only reason to take 14, but NS is.  22:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)
 * Well i thought the spread would be 12, 10, 8 or 12, 9, 9.--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  23:18, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Prob add variant of 12 9 9 then. but prob not main. -- 23:26, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Meh
Variants Mind fixing this? When this hits the meta and "wiki-noobs" start swarming here someone might get confuzzled. --Chaos Messenger 13:43, 14 December 2008 (EST)
 * Rush over Sprint.
 * Why the hell is Embrace in here? 17:14, 14 December 2008 (EST)
 * Idk, Ska or Rawr did it, i dont remember.  17:16, 14 December 2008 (EST)

You do realize that Hammer bash causes you to lose all adren. Therefore you can't activate "On your knees!" To recharge your stances? Just pointin that out

Ah forgive me. I didn't check to see if Enraged smashed got changed.


 * Sign your comments.
 * Psst, Enraged Smash costs energy and not adrenaline and can be used to fuel OYK but I dislike that. Fix the stances imo -- ''' Chaos Messenger  14:36, 15 December 2008 (EST)


 * expertise>energy .Un.ɖɩđđɭɘş —ɱƈ.Ŗęąḻ.ḻƴƿʃooƿʂ   [[image:UNREALs_heart_.gif‎ ‎|20px]]  touch my red link!  21:55, 26 December 2008 (EST)

We can drop Expertise by one and put 6 into Wilderness Survival for Natural Stride and more block-whoring. =/ ــмıкε  нaшк  22:13, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * It's only 4 seconds of IMS, though. ــмıкε  нaшк  22:14, 26 December 2008 (EST)
 * you knock them down? and 33% > 25% to catch up to people with enraged Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 07:46, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * Should be fine with it, it gives enough time to chase them down. --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 07:58, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Meh, was mentioned, but rawr/ska/someone good put Storm's in and removed NS so meh.  15:14, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * But splitting atb's for nothing is just stupid, Storm's Embrace works good enough and it's rechargable. And hey, if you want quick damage, wouldn't Distracting Strike be better than Prot Strike? --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 15:52, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Cant spam it, and ull be spamming kds pretty fast anyways--[[Image:Relyk chtistmas2.jpg|20px]] Christmas Relyk  15:53, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * oy it recharges in 3? O_o --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 16:06, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * Idk what you are trying to say CHaos. Prot Strike rec in 3 yes, and DStrike is 15 so it is unspammable.  16:40, 27 December 2008 (EST)


 * I didn't think about recharges and as such went to say something as stupid as dist strike > prot strike. understood? --''' —Santa's  Messenger  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|20px]] 17:32, 27 December 2008 (EST)
 * d-strike is still strong tho--Relyk _||_  I hammers u! 02:13, 18 January 2009 (EST)

imo
OYK off the mainbar.. It's only useable if you get a KD with Enraged. I'd prefer Storm Chaser as the IMS. It lasts a while even with only a few points, and you can afford taking 1 off expertise, it doesn't affect skill costs. -- -Ch ao s-   13:16, 8 February 2009 (EST)
 * i agree, I rather spend the adrenaline on bash [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  13:18, 8 February 2009 (EST)

That's what I run when I play this bar. 71.202.111.2 13:28, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Are you kidding, I run this exact same build on my Ranger because I suck with bows, never got the chance to post it on here, anyway looks good. Rayscee 15:15, 8 February 2009 (EST)

mainbar
add irresistable, spirnt, and antidote for excessive kds in ra, pwns stance monk meta P WNAGEMUFFIN   crabs  16:58, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 * Yep. Zyke 21:41, 15 February 2009 (EST)

lol Zyke 21:46, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Name change
See above, freakin' confusing. Change it to Smashing Thumper or ES Thumper. >.> Zyke 21:41, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Storm's Embrace
I get the idea, but I just don't like it in this build. Why not use or invest in Wilderness and use   (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">21:45, 15 February 2009 - ) IMO Zyke 21:47, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * OYK only recharges if you hit with ESmash on a moving foe, assuming you have adrenaline, which you won't, because you spam Bash. KJ, Dodge ends on attack, Natural Stride lasts too short without a heavy spec --Dandybot 21:52, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 * IMO, build really should be (Flail/Frenzy if brave)

[build prof=r/w exp=6+1+1 hammer=12 wilder=11+1][enraged smash][hammer bash][crushing blow][Protector's Strike][Distracting Strike][Natural Stride][optional][resurrection signet][/build]
 * Messy. --Dandybot 22:11, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Imo
[build prof=r/w exp=10+1+1 hammer=11 wilder=10+1][enraged smash][hammer bash][crushing blow][Protector's Strike][Optional][lightning reflexes][Natural Stride][resurrection signet][/build] The hammer skills work fine at 11. (→<font face="Arial" color="gray">22:43, 15 February 2009 - )
 * That should be mainbar. 33%IMS+50%Block stance w/ 50% uptime > 25%IAS stance w/ 53% uptime. Saves more energy too. Alhough it should be 10 wilderness/11+1+2 because Natural Stride@10 = Natural Stride@11 and 2e skills rule. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 08:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

[build prof=r/w exp=10+1+1 hammer=12 wilder=10+1][enraged smash][hammer bash][crushing blow][Protector's Strike][Optional][lightning reflexes][Natural Stride][resurrection signet][/build]
 * 11, 11+1+1, 8--Relyk 08:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ^missin a few points there I think, 11, 11+1+1, 9. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 08:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * no its 11-11-8 <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#D2691E;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Hydra  15:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The damage from this bar is simply put just too low, if they stand still you really have no +dmg attack and your KD doesn't even recharge any faster than the warrior version who gets more adrenaline from enraged. The only bonus I can see is that this can block, but is that worth the massive amount of damage lost by giving up strength and hammer mastery points?I heal if you shut it 03:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Then you're doing it wrong. E-smash + prot strike + hit = 6a. KD every 4 - 6 seconds if the target stands still, big damage + 2 KDs if target moves. Spam e-smash and prot strike. Hammer bars also don't have much +dmg attacks. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 03:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing is a War can do all this with higher hammer mastery and strength. The only difference is that the war also gets a thing called an IAS, which I guess is underrated. This can spam more often, but it just.... doesn't feel worth it.I heal if you shut it 21:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)