Build talk:Team - UW Advanced Terraway/Archive1

Ok, so i finished the remake of the Terrawaypage. Tell me what you think. I've remade the normal Terrawaypage(non-semi EXP) and this page (EXP!) Please give constructive criticism. Sunny Storms 07:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * doubt rebirth would be on any EXP team's emo. also any reason an exp group would run Me/A for LT? [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] Chieftain   Alex  10:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Honor should be the only option for emo also helps in val. Exp groups could use mes LT because they are a little faster, but A/me should work too. He can kill top group in vale with the spiker. Sjan talk  13:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * How is mesmer faster? Also why illusion of pain? Empathy seems like it's faster but I could be wrong. ApplesaucePancakes 14:40, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The degen and the damage per second are not capped as is the damage of empathy. I don't know, but some degen and some DPS against 28-30 damage per hit while countering +7 regen. I'm not going to do maths today S h a d o w  15:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * its about nothing but it is faster, a/me can be used just as good depends on player a lot. Sjan talk  15:19, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * LT in general is a stupid easy job. ApplesaucePancakes 15:57, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not. Mes and Sin both do their job in 8 min last time checked. (it may be 7, I haven't logged on in a while) Falrach 16:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If the LT is killing the top group in vale it's a bit harder to stay alive:P Splinter helps there. Sjan talk  16:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

To clarify, I think a couple of you don't run or have ran the Rec builds and do or do not know the way they run it. I run Terraway daily and do atleast 10 runs a day. Yes a Me/A is slightly faster as an LT because, you can put a couple of points into Fast Casting, but it's almost no difference. Secondly, why not Empathy but 2 Degen skills. Well it's easy. Illusion of Pain causes -9 HPDegen, Conjure Nightmare -8 HPDegen combined -17. As everyone knows in HM foes have standard +7 HPRegen. well... +7HPRegen - -17HPDegen is still -10HPDegen which is max DEGEN possible. Add Accumulated Pain and it'll take you 8seconds max to kill a keeper. Just cast skill 4->5->6->4->5 and keeper or any other foe dead. and yes I know what I am talking about the LT EGO BAR VID.... it's my video. ^^ S u <font color="#ff0000">n <font color="#d90000">n <font color="#b20000">y  20:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You missed out the reason after "because" :D lol [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  20:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Edited, plz check again. Ps, plz comment on the two pages. As i would like to make the TWAY EXP page a bonafied pvx meta page.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 21:14, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok I did some more editing to this stuff; and I have a few questions now. (I've never done uwsc in my life and have no intentions to - these answers will allow cleanup. ) this is still unanswered. enchanting seems like retarded note, most people using spears have them as enchanting. How is QZ+emanage supposed to relate to spear unless its zealous. -_-  <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  23:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Whats up with the spear note under general comments?
 * Wtf a/me with wastrel's worry when its limited to 28 damage? Or is it for use when you're not using SF...
 * T1: "Mental Block - If you’re a tard that can’t solo" - someone who can't solo using exp builds? remove imo.. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  23:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Wastrels is for vale top group, you drop SF. (You can do on most spikes btw, and it's good anti HB)
 * Spears, EBSoH+Barbs on Nec spiker is big domages at dhuum.
 * Lightning shield: Coldfires attacks are lightning dmg. Ppl wanting to be faster drop stone striker and change earth to lightning.
 * Mb: Too many pugs fail solos
 * Hope that clarifies shit 82.95.65.117 23:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I realised lightning dmg when I looked it up on gww. I don't currently see barbs anywhere in the nec builds.
 * "Everyone should carry at least a Spear of Enchanting with him, since QZ is taking over the META + emanagement."
 * Spears should be zealous and not enchanting. Enchanting is unnecessary unless you run a spear as a terra and if u do you shouldn't be camping your zealous spear. I also think that if there is going to be this EXP page on wiki with the suicide bars, you will running solo wastes and there will not be an assassin t2. Also, I believe that there is no point for most of the spiker bars on the page. The only spiker bars should be DwG, ESurge, and either one of the SS bars. 24.136.143.125 03:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit, Sorry for ealier remark deleted from posts. Text should have been Zealous Spear not Spear of Enchanting.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 13:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. PPl who do not run this or haven't a clue what to do with the builds shouldn't talk on this page ^^ just saying.
 * The spear can be Zealous spear of Enchanthing, Zealous spear is used during Dhuum, since QZ makes for more energy usages you can use the spear to maintain energy whilst spamming rest etc. (Enchanting can be used the full run.)
 * Mental Block isn't on the Advanced page, so no reply there. ONly non exp groups use MB. AND T1 never uses Mental Block. It's LT that uses that. (just noticed MB under T1... edited out.
 * Wastrel's combo can be used for UWG, you cast Wastrel's then TAB FOE cast again, so you hit multiple foes at once. Also good in Vale killing Graspings while vale team kills the Dryders.
 * Spears, EBSOH+Barbs on nec isn't the deal with using zealous spears.... it's QZ that does the trick.
 * Sin T2 edited out of the page. Ranger/Sin is much faster at T2.
 * The record T1 build uses Stone Striker and Mantra of Earth combined with a Staff of Enchanting with +20E.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 12:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit, Holy Veil put back in EMO BAR, reason being. 1:Emo bar is the record bar, 2:Holy Veil is not only used against Migraine, but it's mainly used at Dhuum. When Dhuum casts Weight of Dhuum the emo suffers from; For 5 seconds, target foe moves and attacks 90% slower, has tripled casting times, benefits 75% less from healing, and has -10 Health degeneration. Taking Holy Veil of removes this hex. That's the whole reason. So, i've put Holy Veil back in main bar and added an optional reason beneath it.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 13:07, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're majorly flawed if you think anyone on pvx has to run a build to want to understand it. The number of cleanup operations i've done on elite sc builds is uncanny. [[image:Chieftain Alex Sig.jpg|19px|link=User:Chieftain Alex]] <font face="Calibri" color="Black" size="2.5">Chieftain  <font face="Calibri" color=CC6633 size="2.5"> Alex  13:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe not run to understand the build, but it's handy if you actually go and run it. Because i do'nt think you know everything that happens in UW. For instance, Holy Veil isn't just used to remove or delay Migraine. It's primarly used for Dhuum skill: Weight of Dhuum. Reason being specified in earlier replies. I do however appreciate the replies and questions. It makes me work harder at making this page what it's supposed to be. ^^ <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 13:39, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Lol Weight of Dhuum?? Just use a summon and stuck him^^(but pls no ghastly or summons that rupt or plant traps)Lampone 19:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't the e/me build be posted along with r/a under t1? Or is there some reason you chose not to post it. Roland 11:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the advanced, and T1 ele means there is no wastes pull most likely not solo wastes. T1 Ele is just farming wastes imo. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  11:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Correct, T1 E/Me means 9 out of 10 times no waste pull, and not only that Ranger t1 is faster and safer.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 12:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Assassin T2
Shouldn't the assassin t2 have rad field instead of fh to speed up pools more than fh would speed up mountains. NeutralStar 06:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Edit, Assissin T2 removed from page. Reason: Ranger T2 superior to Sin T2, and alot faster.<FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 13:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Then shouldn't the esurge, vos be gone also? The ele t1 too. Saying sin isn't viable because its slower should rule out the other ones too because they aren't used for record runs. My average run on sin is 20 mins or less for t2. with solo t1 and suicide way would put at a ~25 min run. My fastest as sin has been 16 mins putting a 21 min run. Both times are 10-14 mins faster than the "experienced" team times you listed. Just my 0.002k. NeutralStar 17:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The time stated isn't mine. I put down 25min or less time for an EXP run, someone altered it. Agreed on VoS and ES, i have moved them to the normal Terraway page. Thnx for the 0.002k, this page jsut got better. <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 20:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Sunny, but you are mistaken. The ele bar that you showed the screen for is T4 doing suicides. The record bars for T1 are R/A with quest done in 5 minutes and can be seen here . 24.136.143.125 23:11, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea, 24..136.143.125 you are correct. I'm sorry, i looked at the screens and listened wrongly. Text edited out and site changed accordingly. <FONT COLOR="#ffd700">Su</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9a8238">nn</FONT><FONT COLOR="#332b70">y St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000046">or</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000017">ms</FONT> 09:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Categorizing this as a sub-build of UW Terraway is fine, but that doesn't exempt it from PvX:Real Vetting. Re-adding stub tag. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 17:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how you voted on it, I'm adding a Testing tag. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 17:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the same build Skakid, otherwise it should have it's own build articles, which would be stupid.-- Relyk 17:43, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If this is good, it will get voted up. If it's bad, it will become trash. Both ways, it will be correctly categorized in "All Builds". There are no downsides to this. What reason do you have for disagreeing? "It's stupid."? &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 17:57, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This should have a vetting tag. It's technically a subpage, but voting on it as a separate build will do no harm, and actually better distinguish it from the less experienced version. It will also appear in category listings, improving its visibility. --  Toraen   talk  18:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * So vetting a subpage is perfectly acceptable?-- Relyk 19:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously that's what we're both saying. I would really be interested in a reason why you don't think they should be vetted, but so far you haven't said anything &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 19:27, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

And now it's not a subpage anyway, and I'm perfectly fine with that. --  Toraen   talk  19:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And I as it's creator of this advanced page have no problems with it being a stand-alone page of Advanced Terraway. It's how I wanted this page to be set anyway. For the record, I made this page so it had the record builds only. That being said, the second SoS and spikerbuild(DwG) are not a rec and will be put up as variants of the build. The Second LT build however makes for the same run within the same time, only difference being that the main profession is a sin. [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  20:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * According to PvX:OWN, this isn't yours. You only contributed it. <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 21:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I never said I owned the page, I just said I created the page. ^_^ slight difference. It's everyones to use, I do however keep an eye on the page to make sure it doesn't go bonkers like some other pages that get massive updates on vids and builds. This page was created in such a manner to have Record Holding/Advanced builds to help people grow and get better. Everyone is welcome to put in their 0.002k ^_^ [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  21:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Typically, new users like to believe these are their own builds; like they own them. Just making sure. ;p <font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan <font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]  [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 21:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh, I used to be on pvxwikia but, I cou'ldn't migrate my account for some reason. But oh well. atleast we agree ^^ [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  21:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * k-- Relyk 21:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Not True
Always check if the reaper became invulnerable; otherwise kill all the foes that accompany the slayer! Just make sure you are far enough then the dryders and keepers will stop moving. I am not sure how far you can go, but i think this should be noticed. because it takes a little time, especially when annoying keepers are running away. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  21:16, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Vale Team
Check your Vale Team again pls.... The Dwg got wrong attributs, also Splinter Weapon should be a optional (not the best choice in my opinion!) SoS= No Spirit Rift? No Ancestors Rage? Those 2 Skills are best so you can spike the first groups faster!! Why summoning spirits, he got two skill he can cast those in the right position and take a extra dmg instead.

Record Holding Vale Team: Dont just post the builds, this will just screw up runs causome ppl think they are pro when they run them. If you want to add them post notes, like the LT was a mesmer and helped them in vale (either way ss is slow at the vale quest) and he also spammed party ghost to get he is energy.

Usage: "The SoS does the same role as the SoS." ??? Describe the build.


 * The sos and nec vale duo are the record builds. Yes no rage and no rift is used on the record run build. The variant of DWG with splinter weapon is used because the lt jumps to the the group in vale as does the dwg. And it is the best variant there is, all the builds posted are rec builds. Granted, maybe some explanation is missed out. However I did this on purpose! It is advanced, if you don't know the role or the run, you have no business on this page.	(Don't think i'm attacking you, i'm saying that in general.) For that reason I will be editing some stuff out. Yours truly,  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  17:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please don't write builds specifically for already experienced people on PvX. We're a documentation/noob teaching site, so removing explanations is counter-productive. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 19:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The only reason because im giving hints is because i want to prevent that pugs use wrong and stupid builds= like your dwg with EoE and NO POINTS in Beast Mastery^^ (clever one) Rift and Rage is not missing in the Record Build ^^ its missing in your SoS build.... And i still dont get what you mean by "The SoS does the same role as the SoS."???Lampone 19:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

How about the dervish here in the record vale team, with some changes in the build it can solo groups up to 9 in vale. That might help in vale. I'm not totally sure about the splits. Ideas please.:) Build: [build prof=D/? scy=10+1 earthp=12+1+3 mys=8+1][Sand Shards][Vow of Strength][Staggering Force][Eremite's Attack][Armor of Sanctity][Mystic Regeneration][Veil of Thorns][Ebon Escape][/build] Most likely one skill could be left out. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  21:56, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have to agree the dervish can be good at spikes however, I would like to stress that I made this page with the idea of it only having record builds. I know this a teaching site but, lets not but any other variants on the advanced page until it's recognized as a true variant to be used in rec runs? On a side note, I love the dervish spikes myself it can be very clean but has a major setback. 1 mistake from the dervish and it's byebye spike, because its so up close and personal. Much like Fow, for example.  [[image:Blackout.jpg|20px]] <font color="#ffd700">Su <font color="#9a8238">nn <font color="#332b70">y St <font color="#000046">or <font color="#000017">ms  01:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Record runs aren't about being safe... They're about being manly. SS doesn't spike, it's nukes. It's terrible. Derv spikes 500% faster. Without ghostly box cons... I can assure you, VoS derv with GA for semi heal, EE and DC will be faster than the necro. ~  Ӎiñon Crysig.jpg 01:35, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant it more for in vale, there are some splits. What if the dervish kills the gardenpull agro alone, that saves alot of time. I think record team use SS because they can bring then QZ@12 Honor and PI more easy and optimal to make Dhuum Faster. <font color="#62686C">Sjan <font color="#266592">talk  08:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)