User:Willarddog/Discord

= 7 Hero Discordway Update Proposal = Discordway is an iconic team build in Guild Wars, once being the PvE meta. Since then, new, more powerful and robust team compositions have become the meta (namely BiP + ST + 3x Mesmer). In comparison to the current meta, the build page for the 7 hero version is currently old and underwhelming. There was discussion of archival, but I want to see if we can modernize the idea to fit in with the current meta. A few different iterations of Discordway have come and gone, and those are included below for reference and inspiration.

The goal of this page is to create a modern Discordway that is effective and works well in the current meta. I want to keep the core concept of Discordway, which includes an AP caller + three discord bars. Everything else is open for consideration:

Points to Consider:

 * Triple Discord vs Quadruple Discord?
 * ST vs Monk Prots?
 * Minions? Ranged vs Melee?
 * Command shouts: Where?
 * SoS Rit? Needed? Is Splinter Weapon useful?
 * Resurrection skills? Where do you place them? Necros? Mesmers? Rit? Paragon?
 * Double mesmer vs Triple mesmer? E-surge, Panic, Keystone, Shared Burden, Ineptitude?
 * BiP? Needed? Necro vs Paragon?
 * (no mercs) 3x Discord, 3x Mesmer, 1x P/N BiP
 * (w/ mercs) 3x Discord, 3x Mesmer, 1x N/Rt BiP

Thoughts: Mercenaries?

 * If mercs, why not 4, 5, 6, or 7 copies of Discord?
 * Discord has diminishing returns; three should be enough to spike down targets, while your other heros dish out AoE. Four copies of Discord might be worth looking into.
 * Four Discords is only worthwhile if you are going melee minions + monk prots to take advantage of soul reaping, and potentially lessens the importance of BiP.
 * Even if you have mercs, its not worth going 5/6/7 discord, so then merc/non-merc "should" be the same for most build ideas.

Thoughts: Ranged Minions (Modern)

 * Ranged minions work well with ST.
 * Ranged minions do not need Splinter, SoS is unnecessary.
 * ST works well with ranged minions, not with melee ones.
 * ST allows you to drop monk prots and run command on Discord Necros.
 * ST necessitates BiP. BiP can be brought on a 4th Necro (mercenary) or Paragon (non-merc + command shouts). However, the only reason you would bring a BiP Paragon is if want triple mesmer.
 * BiP + Triple mesmer opens the door for stronger mesmers with greater anti-caster shutdown who can bring rezzes; they also need less energy management.
 * BiP Paragon can obviously not run resto, meaning that 100% of your heals are on discord necros, which are less efficient at healing than a BiP necro. Increased shutdown (ineptitude, panic) may be necessary to compensate.

Thoughts: Melee Minions (Classic)

 * Melee minions do not work with ST.
 * No ST necessitates monk prots.
 * Discord Necros are the best to place monk prots on due to soul reaping.
 * Where do you place command shouts?
 * SoS? Splinter weapon?
 * Minion bombing vs minion wall?
 * If minion bombing, Ineptitude is counter intuitive, so Shared Burden instead.
 * If minion wall, Ineptitude is ideal.

Idea 1: Modern Balanced/Defensive

 * N/P  Discord + Fiends + Command
 * N/P  Discord + BotM + Command OR (?)
 * N/Rt Discord + Curses + Resto
 * N/Rt BiP + Resto
 * Rt/Mo ST + Remove Hex OR "Fall Back!"
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Ineptitude)

OR

2nd discord optionals: Domination, Channeling, Resto, Curses, Minions, Prots, Smite.

Idea 2: Modern Offensive

 * N/Mo Discord + Fiends + Prots
 * N/Rt Discord + Death + Resto
 * N/Rt Discord + Curses + Resto
 * P/N  BiP + Command
 * Me/P Inept + Command
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez

Idea 3: Modern Offensive + Mercs

 * N/P  Discord + Fiends + Command
 * N/Mo Discord + Death + Prots
 * N/Rt Discord + Curses + Resto
 * N/Rt BiP + Resto
 * Me/P Inept + Command
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez

Idea 4: Classic Balanced/Defensive

 * N/P  Discord + Minions + Death + Command
 * N/P  Discord + Minions + Curses + Command
 * N/Mo Discord + Prots + Utility (?)
 * N/Rt BiP + Resto
 * Rt/Mo SoS + Resto
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Shared Burdens / Ineptitude)

Idea 5: Classic Offensive

 * N/Mo Discord + Minions + Death + Prots
 * N/Rt Discord + Minions + Resto
 * N/Rt Discord + Curses + Resto
 * P/N  BiP + Command
 * Me/P Shared Burden / Ineptitude + Command
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez

Idea 6: Classic Offensive + Mercs

 * N/P  Discord + Minions + Death + Command
 * N/Mo Discord + Minions + Prots
 * N/Rt Discord + Curses + Resto
 * N/Rt BiP + Resto
 * Me/P Shared Burden / Ineptitude + Command
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez

Idea 7: Modern Quadruple Discord

 * N/P  Discord + Fiends + Command
 * N/Mo Discord + Death + Prots
 * N/Rt Discord + Curses + Resto
 * N/Rt Discord + Resto
 * P/N  BiP + Command
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Ineptitude)

Idea 8: Classic Quadruple Discord

 * N/P  Discord + Minions + Death + Command
 * N/Mo Discord + Minions + Prots
 * N/Rt Discord + Curses + Resto
 * N/Rt Discord + Resto
 * P/N  BiP + Command
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Panic)
 * Me/Rt E-Surge + Rez (variant: Ineptitude)

Possible BiP Paragon? (skills are open to change)
[build prof=P/N Motivation=11+1+2 Leadership=9+1 Command=8+1 Blood=8][Blood is Power][Optional][Optional][Lyric of Zeal][Hexbreaker Aria]["Stand Your Ground!"]["Fall Back!"][Aggressive Refrain][/build] Equips: +5e spear of enchanting

Optionals?:


 * Necro:
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Blood_Bond - for minions


 * Motivation:
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Aria_of_Zeal
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Aria_of_Restoration
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ballad_of_Restoration
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Finale_of_Restoration


 * Command:
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Help_Me!%22 - survivability
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Never_Surrender!%22 - anti-pressure
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Can%27t_Touch_This!%22 - situational
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Go_for_the_Eyes!%22 - energy management; additional minion damage


 * Optional Res:
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22We_Shall_Return!%22 - disable & micro
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Signet_of_Return - general purpose res
 * https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Resurrection_Signet - single use res