Archive talk:Rt/Me SoS Restoration Rit

Look Mom! I can make my spirits steal 19 life each w/o using channeling. Lol. 16:24, 19 June 2009

Feedback anyone? 17:02, 19 June 2009

Ew at the name, Drah. 17:19, 19 June 2009
 * Just gets worse. --Sam6555 17:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it better :D [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 17:25, 19 June 2009
 * I think the name could be improved. I got nothing though >< --Sam6555 17:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you think of something, feel free to change it. How's the build though? [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 17:27, 19 June 2009
 * I'd say it looks oki. Just needs a better name --Sam6555 17:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

You gain ~15 energy every 20 seconds which is almost as good as OoS, but you gain the added defensive power of having a few spirits that can take quite a bit of damage. Personally though, I would rather have a supporter instead of healer with signet of spirits. Maybe something along the lines of this:

Idk that just looks better over all to me. Drahgal Meir 17:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * with 3 spirits mend body and soul is an epic condition removal. Drahgal Meir 17:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Imo take mainbar and drop life for PwK. Then this is win! -- Frosty  Mc Admin  17:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, add Spirit's Gift! --Sam6555 17:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No to SG (not needed), yes to PwK. Someone mainbar it. I'm on my cell and can't do it. Also, if someone thinks it's worth making the spirits tougher, we can do an 11-10-10 split on the atts...but honestly spirits die in like 2 hits anyway...so i dont see any reason in it.--[[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 17:56, 19 June 2009
 * Do you even need spirit leech aura, SoS abuse for emanage is already amazing. Imo take Feast of Souls for amazing party healing. -- Frosty  Mc Admin  18:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I tested it in GToB with 3 heros and myself of spirits :P 2400 heal each, thats 19200 total for 8 people. --Sam6555 19:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Mike, 19 health per attack is hardly going to stop a spirit from dying if it is targeted so it is pointless. And the spirits don't really need to survive that long, about 10ish seconds before you can recreate them again... Also, Life is generally pointless since you have 3 spirits for MBaS already, and taking Feast of Souls means you have much more party healing that Life can even imagine for. -- Frosty  Mc Admin  19:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My bad. This needs a name change then. 25 party-healing per second is epic. ــѕт.  мıкε  20:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ,, , etc. ــѕт.  мıкε  20:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

What you have is not a consistent healer. The recharge times in Restoration Magic tend to make Restoration Magic either not very effective or effective in larger intervals of time (Spirit Light i.e.). Nothing wrong with that. Its strong suit lies in its ability to provide a full party heal once every 20 seconds. I can see four ways to improve upon this idea. 1) Include Spirit's Gift so that you can provide a party heal when they die and another party-wide heal when you recast signet of spirits. It won't double your ability to cast a party-wide heal but it'll help you in a tight spot which otherwise you wouldn't have recasting signet of spirits.  2)  Change Feast of Souls to Spirit to flesh so you can micro-manage heals and triple your heal output. 3) Include Life to yet add another full-party heal.  4)  Bring Rupture Soul for a decent protection against meleers. Kind of stinks to have a hammer warrior kill'em one by one before you can make use of them. --80.16.169.162 13:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * First, the full party heal isn't every 20 seconds. Even heroes do it more often then that (notice Mantra?). 1) No, SG's range isn't worth picking over other skills. 2) No, FoS is better than StF because your spirits are going to die quick. You use SoS and FoS in a row. 3) No, stupid idea. 4) No, another stupid idea. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] 18:31, 13 July 2009

Conflicting/Confusing Usage Area

 * Usage area is kind of confusing. You say, "Maintain Spiritleech Aura. It will have 1 second of downtime at 14 Resto", but it's no on the main skill bar or listed under variants. --68.39.34.162 20:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The build hasn't been updated since some changes. ــѕт.  мıкε  20:22, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done -- Frosty  Mc Admin  20:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to have doubted you, Frosty. <3 ــѕт.  мıкε  20:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When did you edited this? those skills you used are almost the same as mine, while I was way earlier then this build ``Ritualist``01 20:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All I changed was Spiritleech Aura to Feast of Souls. And nobody "owns" builds... -- Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  20:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That's besides the point, I really want a answer for this. Why do admins always gain the first place:/ ``Ritualist``01 20:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about lol? -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  20:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if u havent checked out 'the build I made' it has almost the same skills as this build does, and it gets welled... as I was way earlier with that build as this edited build, thats what i talking about. ``Ritualist``01 20:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well from what I can see KJ created this page at 16:28, 19 June 2009 server time, where as your created the other build page at  18:50, 19 June 2009, a whole 2.5 hours later. From the original builds posted, they were both similiar enough to warrent a merga anyway. Why didn't you look to see if somebody else has posted a similiar build to your idea and suggested your idea's to them? Remember PvX isn't a competition (I once thought it was, but it really isn't worth it). -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty   <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  20:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter. The first build to get vetted is the one we go by. When you make a build here and there's another one made after yours but that one gets through before we'll well yours. Not because we have something against you but because it's irrelevant who made them and in which order they came, they are just builds and either one needs to be deleted, then we take the one that hasn't been vetted. Simple. Stupid edit conflicts times 2. Godbox  20:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC) XD 40 minutes is hardly "way earlier" (the time Frosty changed this build). This one already has three votes, too. We could merge, but nothing would change, and the one you posted would just be deleted. If you absolutely feel the need for "ownership" of this build, just add this one to your user page, because this one will likely get through vetting before yours. ــѕт.  мıкε  20:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Forget it then, the only things I suggest to you guys is the spirit Life, ill delete my build and check out some other skills. --``Ritualist``01 20:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Life might not be a good idea because it won't last its full duration if you spam Feast of Souls. It's also unreliable to time. Still, it's an extra Spirit, and it'd be better than your other choices in Resto. ــѕт.  мıкε  20:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And the skill Spirit's Gift should be added to variants, as it is an nice healing spell evry time you cast the 3 spirits, but i see now its already on the list. Well gl to u all :)``Ritualist``01 21:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Nerfed
Recharge to 20 seconds, I suggest dropping flesh for mantra of Inscirptions! (12, 10, 8). -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  02:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * flesh meaning spirit to flesh or fomf? fomf imo.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 02:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no spirit to flesh D: -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  02:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Got confused >.> All these rit skills nobody has ever used before are difficult to remember.  Life [[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 02:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

This is still good, I'm not sure about great, though. Mebbe fit Spiritleech Aura back in, to try to compensate for the loss of Healing? ــѕт. мıкε  02:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * D, just take mantra, it reduces recharge by like 50%, and only euro's take res on healers! -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  02:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ^ that idea's better. XP ــѕт.  мıкε  02:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aren't you a euro yourself Frosty? --Anonimous. D: 11:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Being euro in gw =/= being a euro gw'er -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  13:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Frosty McSexyUK'er? [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">13:35, 21 June 2009
 * ofc, I am not from Europe, I am from ENGLAND. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  13:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Same fucking thing. That's like me saying that I'm not from the U.S., I'm from Texas (although they're probably similar in connotation) :D [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">13:57, 21 June 2009
 * The thing is, when you think of a european, they are completely different from the English lol. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  14:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When you think of a Texan do you think of an American? See what I mean? [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">16:15, 21 June 2009

No Spirits?
Ok Maybe I'm confused. What is the point in Boon of Creation if you have no spirit summon skills on the entire bar? Also 2 other skills effect spirits, but once again you have no spirits on the bar?? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.178.228.188 (talk &bull; contribs) 22:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC).
 * SoS summons three spirits now. Actually, half the bar has been changed. Please check the latest updates and remember to sign with ~'s when you contribute. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:55, 22 June 2009

Heroes
I've had my Rit Hero use this build set to Guard, and to Avoid Combat, while wielding a Staff, and not once did it use Feast of Souls. The Hero also drains its own Energy quite quickly, and even with P-Drain instead of Rez, it almost never has more than 10 Energy during combat. ــѕт. мıкε  00:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you have to micro FoS on heroes. If the hero is pressured enough, they'll use FoS. I haven't had any issues with energy on this, but if you micro FoS it will force the hero to use SoS more often which will help them with energy. Again, I haven't had issues with this but it could be because my heroes typically use caster spears. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:13, 26 June 2009
 * Oh, and on heroes, I still prefer to use Spiritleech Aura instead of MoI and PwK instead of FoS. The healing is less, but heroes use the skills well and spiritleech makes them into more of a support role (with lifestealing damage and heavy healing). But those are all listed in the variants. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">15:18, 26 June 2009

Dear KJ
"so every 13 seconds you gain free 15 energy." Does this quote not remind anyone of a primary attribute... Let me think of the name... Hmmmm... Soul Reaping maybe? No... That one gives three times that, without wasting an elite slot, frees up 2 spaces on a bar... No, that can't be it... LEADERSHIP healers with GftE! That's what's next on the list KJ? Elites for energy in PvE are bad when you can /afk with 3 necros. Or so I've heard. Then again, I'm not the r5 GWAMM. <font face="Verdana" color="maroon" size="1">08:24, 2 July 2009
 * looks like you forgot the epic synergiez that SoS has with feast of souls.--173.59.59.80 04:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * people have huge hard-ons for rit healers because they're fucking terrible at guild wars. shit happens. =/ ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 17:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course SR healing builds are going to be better than this, but someone would have made it if I didn't. Tbh, it's just a gimmick and heroes don't use the mainbar'd build very well anyway. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">18:34, 13 July 2009
 * i vote we make a bunch of socks and trash anything that uses SoS. :> ··· [[File:Danny-sig.png]] 21:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed :< [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">21:23, 13 July 2009
 * SR N/Rt healing necros are just Rit healers with better energy management. However this build gives the rit the obvious edge over a necro because of FoS. Every 13 secs the party is healed for 261 per person. Mantra + SoS + FoS + Boon (4 slots) is all you need for healing and energy management, while the necro needs a full bar almost totally dedicated to healing. The other 3 healing spells can easily be replaced with good channeling magic spells such as SW and Ancestors' Rage allowing this build to be a healer and support nuker. Plus most weapon spells now suck without SP. And don't you guys start mocking SoS, in a Spirit wrangler bar coupled with Painful bond, it wreaks havoc.--86.149.228.251 20:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I made the build, so I hardly think I'm "mocking SoS". We were referencing something that you weren't here to understand. When SoS was buffed, for like 2 weeks there were about 35 builds made. Most of them terrible. From now on, I recommend thinking before slamming your face on the keyboard. [[File:KJ badge sig.png]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">22:25, 7 August 2009

This build is good...but its more for player. AI just do not know how to use it right way. So i made some changes...

I tryed it for few hours and I think its a bit better for AI.. Every creep has some energy so she's just using it for herself ^^ ...and i can use FoS whenever i want. Not perfect but a bit better energy management if u just don't want to micro it so much alone.

SoS nerf v.2
As of the 02-25-10 update, SoS now has a 30s cooldown instead of 20s. I think they were targeting offensive SoS, but I'd say it hurts this build a hell of a lot more. Is this build still worth running, or is there anything else useful to mitigate the long cooldown?

Build is outdated since SoS moved to channeling (Silicon Based 11:39, March 2, 2010 (UTC))
 * wat? this doesn't need any channeling really, it uses the spirits as fodder for feast of souls and mend body and soul. --<font color="Black">Frosty  [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 11:45, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this build is about as effective with 0 channeling. It's just a place to dump extra skill points.

To put some numbers on this, after Mantra of Inscriptions SoS previously had a recharge of 12.4s, whereas now it's 18.6s. If you were to bump inspiration magic up to 12, it would be 16.5s.

Archive, imo. There's no room for Splinter and A-Rage (and splitting your attributes further would hurt too much), and FoS can only be used once every 20 seconds (recharge+activation of SoS). Although the combination yields a great 13 Health/second, it isn't practical, because you have to wait so long to reuse it, and it will be rarely used to maximum effect. The Notes section also says that Heroes don't run FoS effectively, which is the point of the build. If I played a Rit primary (and GW at all), I'd rather run Archive:Rt/any Resto Rit Lord (or an offensive Spirit spammer build). Of course, there's a conflict of interest, because I submitted that build. ــѕт. мıкε  21:13, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Mantra of Signets
could effectively reduce the recharge of SoS to 15 seconds (16 if you count casting time), instead of the current 19 (and 20). Of course, it's much more expensive than Mantra of Inscriptions, but it also means you don't have to spec into Inspiration Magic, and you could get 6 Energy per Spirit with Boon of Creation at 14 Spawning Power. That's 17.4375 Health per second from FoS versus the current 13.05. ــѕт. мıкε  21:47, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Tbh, it should probably still be archived. <font color="Black" face="cambria">Karate [[File:KJ for sig.png]] <font color="Black" face="cambria">Jesus  <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">02:34, 11 April 2010
 * In its current form, I think the build should probably be retired. But there might be some changes possible to make the build worthwhile again.  The SoS nerf affects two things: how often you can use Feast of Souls for big party heals, and how often you can gain energy through Boon of Creation.


 * Personally, when running this build, 95% of my healing was done via the first three skills. I only used FoS as a 'panic button' on the few occasions when the party was becoming overwhelmed.  So I don't think that the reduced party heal frequency is a huge problem.


 * The reduced energy from BoC hurts, but are there any other options? There's lots of energy management skills in Inspiration Magic, which is already in use from the Mantra.  In particular, I'd give Channeling a shot in place of BoC.
 * That's Build:Rt/any Signet of Spirits Hero with Resto. ــѕт.  мıкε  01:56, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant the Mes skill, not rit Channeling Magic. :P Use that in place of Boon of Creation for energy management.
 * Tried it a bit tonight with Channeling on the bar. Not quite as good at e-management as it was, but still usable.  I'd call it a 'good' build instead of a 'great' build, but it's viable.  Anyone else have any ideas for the build?