Archive talk:R/Mo Degen Spammer

Poison arrows and screming shot? I hate the sort prep times.--Advent Mongoose  (talk ) 02:11, 3 July 2007 (CEST)
 * then its not a spammer. - Skakid9090 02:16, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

Never been a fan of condition degen spamming - mass condition removal can prevent the conditions from being spread very far.Hjrrockies 02:35, 3 July 2007 (CEST)
 * and waste a monks energy supply. never been a big fan of damage, you can heal it. - Skakid9090 02:37, 3 July 2007 (CEST)
 * Touche :p - Hjrrockies 16:28, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

wouldnt this build also work for pve? its got the interupts and its got the damage. ive been using this one for a while before i noticed it was here Alpha fireborn 23:15, 29 July 2007 (CEST)

@TYCN's comment, draw conditions on 5 people = 25 energy, seems like the build is doing it's job Moush 01:12, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Why would you bother drawing it? There's a reason you have LoD, to mop up all the little damage that is too small to waste any single-target skills on. --Edru viransu //QQ about me /sysop 01:18, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * I'll give this build credit. When I face it on RC monk, I am forced to wish I didn't bring gift of health, because I'll never have to use it. Pluto 03:54, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
 * Im glad you also face people using this build are too stupid to dshot your RC.--71.251.177.24 03:54, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I'm glad you have ping lower than .125 seconds. --Edru viransu //QQ about me /sysop 04:01, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Timing a dshot is not rocket science.--71.251.177.24 04:29, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
 * I'm just pointing it out that it's pretty much impossible for a ranger to twitch 3/4 casts. --Edru viransu //QQ about me /sysop 04:31, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Well yeah, its hard as hell to do that, but if you just watch someone, they have a pattern of casting, so its easy enough to score an interrupt.--71.251.177.24 04:34, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
 * It isn't hard... ... ... point blank >.> –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 04:48, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
 * It's not impossible for rangers to get 3/4's, you just have to stand very close. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:10, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Rambo III: The Force of Freedom
So now we've got three variations of the Rambo build listed as seperate builds... Wouldn't it be better to simply list the Rambo customisable template as a build concept, similar to how the MM template is listed?

Prep*, Elite shot**, Savage, Distract, Natural Stride*, Troll's Unguent, Mending Touch, Res Siggy.


 * Usually Apply Poison... Barbed Arrows in this case.
 * Burn Shot, Daze Shot, Crip Shot, Poison Shot...
 * or some other Defence stance

(Sorry about the lack of links and skill buttons, I'm posting from my mobile phone.)

Note that you can also use the Burning Arrow atts for this build.--Atlas Oranos 04:23, 16 July 2007 (CEST)

Attributes
The attribute setup is pretty inefficient on this build. This build gets nothing out of having 11 expertise instead of 9. The high marks doesn't really do much for this build either. The high WS does hit a breakpoint on Troll and Nat, but nothing else gets much benefit. I'd recommend either 11+1+1-11+1-8+1 or 11+1+1-10+1-10+1 Exp-WS-Marks. That way you can spam Poison Arrow more. --Edru viransu //QQ about me 23:34, 29 July 2007 (CEST)

BA
Why would you use this over one? Only reason I can see would be to conserve energy at the cost of weaker degen and damage. - Krowman    00:06, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Its meant to spread degen.--Atlas Oranos 22:50, 1 August 2007 (CEST)

R/Me Variant for AB : Epidemic
With epidemic, a low cost/fast recharge spell, the build spread and spam more faster the two degen conditions. Use Pin dow to have one more condition realy usefull to spread. And why not Throw Dust or concustion shot (but expansive) :)

VERY usefull on Minions, Capping "Bases", and of course +3 group of Mobs.

When that's done, you can continue use Bow spam on different lonely targets.

IMO and after practicing it since 1 week : a great gain of time and energy. more secure face of mass enemies.

I'm not good a creating skillbar so: 1-"Poison Arrow" 2-"Savage Shot" or "Distracting shot" 3-"Barbed arrows" 4-"Pin Down" or 5-"Throw Dust" or "Concution Shot" or Antidot signet 6-"Epidemic" 7-"Natural Stride" 8-"Troll Unguent"

same Attribute and equipement has core build, + Barbeb Long Bow of Fortitude for more secure Caps (even If the Spell have a shorter range)

Rancoeur Subtile 19:48, 8 August 2007 (CEST)

Screaming Shot+Apply Poison punks this... frvwfr2  (talk · contributions) 20:14, 8 August 2007 (CEST)


 * poison arrow has 1 sec recharge. screaming shot is 10 i think &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 20:15, 8 August 2007 (CEST)


 * "Punk this" You mean the concept of my variant?so explain. Or perhaps the duo Poison elite Barbed prep? ...I'm not sure to understand :) Rancoeur Subtile 20:53, 8 August 2007 (CEST)


 * No, I mean that combo owns this... if you don't like a 6 recharge bleeding, you could use Burning Arrow and Apply... -11 degen anyone? And a lot more damage. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] frvwfr2  (talk · contributions) 21:05, 8 August 2007 (CEST)
 * yes and with this build in those 6 seconds you spread 7 degen to 4 different people, totaling up to -28 degen. punks your silly 11 =) &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Skakid9090. 21:49, 8 August 2007 (CEST)
 * that's why Epidemic is so nice and usefull IMO... So what do you think about my prposition variant? Rancoeur Subtile 22:06, 8 August 2007 (CEST)

Yesterday I tried it on PvE with on the ranger hero Jin, and incredibly she use it with perfection ;) ... so I thinked about it and try a Variant ..with "Pestilence" ... Amazing results ! If you take an other Hero, (a W one) with deep wound for example, mobs fall like flyes :). try it please and tell me your impression (I tried it on differents Jade Sea Areas,, and thre result was realy amazing during the Alcyon's mission, with waves of ennemies). But if you youse pestilence, take care and be sure have monks with conditions removals :) Perhaps someone of you dear fellows could make a page of proposition for Hero build ? :)Rancoeur Subtile 18:27, 9 August 2007 (CEST)


 * Or use BA+Apply Poison with Epidemic... 5 sec recharge=5 sec recharge... [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (talk · contributions) 18:35, 9 August 2007 (CEST)
 * The energy management of your proposition on the build I propose (real spam) is too bad, i tried yesterday night after your comments :) Rancoeur Subtile 19:43, 9 August 2007 (CEST)

On the topic of AB: since AB is such a strange area, would it be possible to use conjure X here for some extra damage? Just use a fiery (or whatever element) bowstring to keep damage up. Something like: 8+1 Expertise 11+1 WS 9+1+1 Marks and 8 Element of your choice. Then in place of mend touch use antidote signet with conjure X in the res sig spot? Does this look like it could work, or would the damage be negligible? Supa tim 18:04, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Eye of the North
The introduction of Poison Tip Signet makes Poison Arrow useless - I replaced it and changed around the build to fit in the GvG metagame. It looks like it can compete with the standard BA ganker, if you ask me. Radiant 18:08, 1 September 2007 (CEST)


 * Errrm, not really. BA has +dmg always, 11 degen almost always, etc... why would you use this? [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2  (T/C/Sysop) 18:13, 1 September 2007 (CEST)


 * Yeah I know I exaggerated that a bit. But why revert? Radiant 20:13, 1 September 2007 (CEST)


 * Because poison tip signet + melandru's != spamming. poison arrow + barbed is. –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 06:11, 2 September 2007 (CEST)
 * Apply poison + Burning Arrow is better. - Anon

You have to stop attacking to use Poison Tip Signet, and it has a recharge of 6 seconds. Poison Arrow is far more spammable. And why would you compete with this build and a BA ganker, if this build isn't for ganks, but for spreading -7 degen around the other team? You can't do that whit a BA ganker. Sir Bertrand 17:12, 17 September 2007 (CEST)

spreading conditions in a matter of seconds is better than damage imo. i've used both builds (BA and this) and this is far more superior. and about epidemic, in pvp players barely get that close.

Barbed Arrows Update
Should the name be moved to Poison Arrow Ranger? -- <font color="#900020">Lann 18:24, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * It's like basically the same. --Guild of Deals<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 18:29, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * But that name is more consistent with the builds already on here. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 18:42, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 * Barbed arrows update changes nothing of the fact, you had NS anyway. It only prevented you from getting interupted, if like a war was bumping you. But then you shouldn't hit barbed anyway. —ǘŋ  Ɛxɩsƫ  04:12, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

This Build Pwnz Jankzy 12:37, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Linked Build
Why is the Burning Arrow Ganksman listed as a build to "See Also"? This build isn't a ganker. --Toraen 23:03, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Archive
IA buff makes this shit. --<font color="Black"> * Wah <font color="DAA520">Wah  Wah! * 18:46, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Nope, it's different. --[[Image:Ibreaktoilets_Signature.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]]<font color="Black">Tab  <font color="Black">Moo  18:50, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
 * Agree :/ But now the Incediary is quite nice degen :)  Massive  [[Image:Image-Massive Sig.jpg|19px]] 08:36, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * The difference is that this has the possibility of 7 degen on an entire team. (if that's 8 man, it could do 112 dps from degen alone). – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 08:38, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Barbed recurve bow?
Why a Barbed Recurve bow instead of poisonous? If you can't maintain degen on someone, isn't it better to have the -4 on longer instead of the -3? Or am I missing something here? -- The preceding srsly srs comment was added by Itokaru   02:34, 4 November 2008 (EST)
 * The poison already lasts longer than the bleeding, the idea is to bring the two durations close together so you can maintain both as long as possible. - Misery  Is  Friendly  [[image:Misery Dog obaby.gif|19px]] 03:05, 4 November 2008 (EST)