Archive talk:D/any AoB Dervish

hWho put the PvX:WELL tag on the build? We all know AoB dervs fail but it's not like it's the only build to epically fail on this wiki.  RustyTheMesmer  22:54, 24 January 2008 (EST)

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The spike from this is epic in RA/TA &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  23:34, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * I heard a cancel is good. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:39, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * The synergy with AoB (the only reason to take over AoM). &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  23:40, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * gw:Empathy, gw:Shatter Enchantment, gw:Shatter Delusions, gw:Enchanter's Conundrum are pretty popular in RA. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:42, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Meh, maybe I should post it in the team build. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  23:44, 24 January 2008 (EST)
 * Or just bring Pious Fury as cancel. WOOT IAS SPAM :D Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 03:22, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * Dont use frénzy on anything other then wammos tbh >.< no matter how much stoneflesh you got, wtb cancel stance, and avatar is awfull as the others say, AoM>all derv elite skills. [[Image:Fish_Signature.jpg|User:Fish]] Fishy Moo oo  04:18, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * The spike itself is pwn tho. Even without AoM :) Swiftslash \\  [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (contributions  * sandbox ) 04:24, 25 January 2008 (EST)


 * You can't frenzy with AoM. It's for TA, not GvG, btw. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  16:00, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * When I first saw Avatar of Balthazar I had second thoughts. Frenzy with it though is a very good combo.  You have your running 33% faster, extra armor, and a continuous IAS that doesnt make you take too much damage because you have AoB up.  There are better builds, but this isnt bad[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]♪Destiny Of Kiest♪  (talk / pvxcontribs ) 16:58, 25 January 2008 (EST)
 * Also, I agree that AoM is infact the best avatar/dervish elite. Also fish is right, you need a cancel stance[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]♪Destiny Of Kiest♪  (talk / pvxcontribs ) 16:59, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Why is grenth's aura in here? I'd rather use Bull's Strike, Heart of Fury, etc. It's a crap skill to use imo, Rending Touch is better for the enchantment removal.--Relyk 21:59, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * After playing this build for many hours i can tell you this much. This build is a killer. The guy who came up with it is a genius.
 * Why is grenth's aura in here? Don't you see the synergy between Grenth + Pious fury? It's an instant aoe enchantment removal there is no delay or anything it's insane imo. I can't tell you how many kills i've scored on monks who put up guardian and i just hit Pious fury, remove it and spike them dead instantly. Most people just don't expect it to be removed so fast and you don't even have to stop attacking. It almost feels overpowered at times. I ran this with Avatar of Melandru first but there is no room for an ias with Melandru as you kinda need a speed boost to play a melee charachter so Balthazar was the logical choice. 85.226.179.242 21:28, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * That comment was when when pious fury wasn't in. And yes AoB saves the room you need to put that stuff in. You might want to notice that all the derv build are using attacker's insight, chilling victory, and pious assault; so it isn't that genius :P--Relyk 22:04, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Try this
[build prof=D/W Scythe=12+1+1 Mystic=12+1 ][Avatar of Balthazar][Chilling Victory][Pious Assault][Crippling Victory][Optional][Zealous Sweep][Frenzy][Resurrection Signet][/build]


 * Use Zealous Scythe, energy management should be fine with IAS and Zeal sweep[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]♪Destiny Of Kiest♪ (talk / pvxcontribs ) 17:05, 25 January 2008 (EST)


 * I just tried this in RA, works fine. Just when you start to run out of energy, use Zeal scythe + frenzy and Zeal sweep.[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]♪Destiny Of Kiest♪  (talk / pvxcontribs ) 01:14, 26 January 2008 (EST)


 * Cancel stance is a must tbh, really hope you had it as optional, howevever, AoB is a elite skill that acomplish to little compared to any other avathar, melandru is suporior in almost every way, it has more health and cannot gain DW, wich AoB does, and almost everything that kills includes it with some very few exeptions. Frenzy should also only be used on warriors, dervish has to low armor, and should not use AoB and count on its armor boost. Rather take heart of fury and some other decent elite. [[Image:Fish_Signature.jpg|User:Fish]] Fishy Moo oo  08:58, 26 January 2008 (EST)


 * Yes the optional slot is for a cancel stance, but Balthazar does have its uses. It replaces the use of pious haste for you move 33% faster without.  Also, the extra armor fuels Frenzy for continuous attacking.[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">♪Destiny Of Kiest♪  (<font color="Darkblue">talk / pvxcontribs ) 10:24, 26 January 2008 (EST)

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Since Skakid removed all the votes, should this go back to the Trial phase or does it stay in the Trash? <font color="Blue">Deathtron1 (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Green">pvxcontribs ) 03:00, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * I think this page deserves more than to be failed. At least "Other" because it meets the standards.[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">♪Destiny Of Kiest♪  (<font color="Darkblue">talk / pvxcontribs ) 09:03, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * What a build "deserves" is irrelevant. How well it performs in-game is what determines the ratings and respective categories. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  09:21, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, i'm saying that its not as bad as people depict. Ive tried the build I posted above, and I found no problems with damage, energy, speed, deepwound, etc.[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">♪Destiny Of Kiest♪  (<font color="Darkblue">talk / pvxcontribs ) 10:33, 27 January 2008 (EST)
 * AoB sucks, ok? [[Image:Image-Dark_Morphon's_Siggie.jpg‎]]<font color="Black">Dark <font color="Black">Morphon <font color="Black"> (contribs)  12:02, 27 January 2008 (EST)

This isn't as bad as people think tbh. It does holy damage (meaning +armor vs damage type mods are worthless to enemies), 33% IAS & IMS, it spikes and it does an incredible amount of damage when not spiking. The problem is that when AoB is down you lose most of your effectiveness. That said, it still doesn't deserve such low ratings.<font color="Black"> &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer 09:58, 28 January 2008 (EST)
 * If you believe the build is good, please vote and provide appropriate reasons. Visiting the talk page and saying "this build deserves better ratings" doesn't make a build any better in the eyes of the voters. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  10:59, 28 January 2008 (EST)


 * The same could be said about the downtime of an AoM (which most are comparing the build to). &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  16:09, 28 January 2008 (EST)


 * Scottie, that kind of a problem because some voters, like me, did not reciee a confirmation email, and thus cannot vote.[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">♪Destiny Of Kiest♪ (<font color="Darkblue">talk / pvxcontribs ) 16:15, 28 January 2008 (EST)


 * i still think this is not good, using frenzy on derv with AoB recharging. AoM build is way better . Sorry forgot to sign-- Korineczek --( Toalk -- Koantribooshns ) 11:22, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * It's not so bad so long as you're a little more generous with canceling Frenzy. As was said before, you can make a similar argument with using Wearying Strike when AoM is down. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas  11:33, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Well still its matter of taste using AoB/AoM I dont like them either:) -- Korineczek --( Toalk -- Koantribooshns ) 11:37, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Using wearying when aom's down doesn't cause you to explode. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 11:42, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * No u-- Korineczek --( Toalk -- Koantribooshns ) 11:57, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * Right, just saying that your DPS goes down if you use wearying, just like your DPS would go down if you didn't use frenzy. Not saying that that argument is really strong (at all).  w/e. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas  14:07, 29 January 2008 (EST)
 * The build above!! whoever made the main build, try the build i suggested. It has the same concept only lower recharge and more of an effect.[[Image:DestinyOfKiestsig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">♪Destiny Of Kiest♪  (<font color="Darkblue">talk / pvxcontribs ) 15:03, 29 January 2008 (EST)

good, it got rated good.<font color="Blue">♪Destiny Of Kiest♪ (<font color="Darkblue">talk / pvxcontribs ) 16:15, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Variant
Saw this ran today: [build prof=Dervish/Ritualist Scythe_Mastery=12+1+1 Mysticism=12+1 Wind_Prayers=3+1][Avatar of Balthazar][Chilling Victory][Pious Assault][Eremite's Attack][Pious Fury][Grenth's Aura][Attacker's Insight][Death Pact Signet][/build] Death Pact can be swapped for res sig for RA, but this worked well because pious fury and grenth's aura stripped anything detrimental like Spirit Bond/PS/Guardian/etc. <font color="Black">Phalmatticus 23:22, 9 February 2008 (EST)
 * Yeah, that'd work well. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  23:26, 9 February 2008 (EST)
 * Lol I got Skakid to say something with AoB works :D, but, seriously, thanks. [[Image:Phalmatticus Sig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Phalmatticus 23:28, 9 February 2008 (EST)
 * Deathpact + AoB or AoM = =][[Image:Phoenix.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Ìmmφrτalìs αnìmµs a Kìεsτ  ( talk / pvxcontribs ) 23:52, 9 February 2008 (EST)

this should be the main bar of the build, just swapping the death pact signet for a res sig Drownz 14:24, 13 February 2008 (EST)


 * Indeed this is the best bar for this build with or without dps. 85.226.179.242 21:30, 15 February 2008 (EST)

(Looks at current build on page) Love this build, me ftw :) <font color="Black">Phalmatticus 05:08, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Rewrite the build
The build on the page doesn't match the words with it. Fix it so I can test and vote properly? I thought the build used frenzy... Paragon City 13:44, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Oh, Ska's editting it as I typed that... no wonder. Paragon City 13:48, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Similar Build already in trash
I posted EXACTLY the same build well before this: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:D/any_Grenth%27s_Aura_Dervish Master Gladius 14:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wow, that's pretty fucking fail. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  14:25, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Pious fury > rending touch in this build. [[Image:RailinWoHInvertedSig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Phalmatticus 15:00, 13 February 2008 (EST)

well, pious fury is in variants in my buildpage. Master Gladius 15:30, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * yah, pvx is kinda retarted. for example: if someone rates high, all other votes will most likely be around that rating aswell..so if someone rates a 2.5, all other ratings will most likely be around 2.5 aswell...same goes for 4.5 for example -- Infested Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 05:30, 14 February 2008 (EST) no offense to pvx ofcouse but it is a fact
 * That is consistent with testing trends. Either something works, or it doesn't work. It's uncommon to find a build that has split voting. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  10:26, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * yeah ok u r right -- Infested Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 11:03, 14 February 2008 (EST)


 * Eh, it'd be hard to deny that there's a bit of a bandwagon effect here (just like everywhere), especially around the more popular peoples'/BMs' votes. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 11:08, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * I wouldn't say it's a bandwagon. It's more than certain groups of people think alike, resulting in similar votes across the board. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue / criticise / complain)  11:11, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * That's true too. The best example I can think of is the mass 5-5-5'ing of the AoG derv right after the buff. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas  11:30, 14 February 2008 (EST)

My opinion: Ditch this build, really the trashed build http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:D/any_Grenth%27s_Aura_Dervish is exactly this except this has Pious Fury instead of Rending Touch, dupe ? come on guys, ditch one... --Majnore 10:16, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Why Warrior?
Since this doesn't use any skill or attribs of the Warrior prof, then why is this D/W? <font color="Darkgreen">Dr4goN ( talk /<font color="Black">pvxcontribs ) 15:19, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * Because it used to, and no-one can be bothered to move. Lord of all tyria 15:22, 13 February 2008 (EST)

AoB Derv
was just gonna say like "is it possible this is the first AoB dervish on here?!" but nvm, I spotted the comment about the exact same build beeing trashed before =P --Majnore 15:52, 13 February 2008 (EST)

meh, works pretty well, i use Grenths Aura then Pious Assault to cancel FREAKIN PROT SPIRIT then i use chilling. I Am Jebus 16:43, 13 February 2008 (EST)


 * Attacker's Insight -> Grenth's Aura -> Pious Fury -> Chilling -> Pious -> Eremite's wins, strip prots before you hit, chancing for a critical with Chilling which can do ~150 damage easy. [[Image:RailinWoHInvertedSig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Phalmatticus 17:07, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I LOVE no ias or snare. The UBER Noob  ( talk /<font color="Cyan">pvxcontribs ) 20:03, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * I love how you overlook speed boost and fast activation attacks. And the selection of skills for the optional. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  20:04, 13 February 2008 (EST)
 * I love how this build doesn't need a snare thanks to the Speed Boost and Pious Assault's IAS. Brilliant build, just tested this out extensively in the RA, Cheese Slaya got on my team in one of them as a monk, and we rolled the RA over for 10 wins.  Amazing build. Paragon City 20:28, 13 February 2008 (EST)

nice
work beautifully in RA even with no self-heal or monk due to the high armor, i even started to tank for while, wicked damage output, mebbe put bulls strike in variants? Altho i ran with guiding hands, ill see if i can convince Guild ledaer to let me try in GvG himynameisbobbyjoe 14:25, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * Why guided hands if you have ench removal on spike? - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Unexist  15:49, 14 February 2008 (EST)

^^^ it only removes one enchant guardian could be under spirit bond or something.Simpson man 16:02, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * gee gee, you just made the monk use 15 energy to keep himself alive. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 16:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

anyone said guardian? LOL -- Infested Hydralisk   ( Talk * Contributions ) 16:33, 14 February 2008 (EST)
 * LOL Hammer Grenth. I saw that and laughed so hard, I HAD to try it. So I tried that in RA and it strangely worked, LOL. Paragon City 10:40, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Hammer Grenth is beast. I tried it in RA/TA, it worked really well. Me has idea:

Unblockable sin attack chain, any1? I Am Jebus 10:59, 15 February 2008 (EST)

&mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  11:01, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * Stop the awesomeness Ska, now you're dividing by zero, lol. Paragon City 11:04, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * lol if u see any Grenth Hammer guy, that would probably be me lol i am most likely called I Infestedhydralisk or Infestedhydralisk I, is epic build btw -- Infested Hydralisk  [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]] ( Talk * Contributions ) 13:18, 15 February 2008 (EST)

why are we talking about AoG on an AoB build? o ya, i loled so hard yesterday. I was using this in AB, (added Faithful Intervention), a sin was running away from me. He was like: Dash! HAHA! Then dash ran out. I caught him with Crippling Sweep and he died. LOL. I Am Jebus 19:55, 15 February 2008 (EST)
 * I ran into the same monk four out of five rounds running this build. The fourth time he just /resign'd. --71.229.204.25 20:19, 15 February 2008 (EST) that's right, it's story time
 * Wow... 10 wins, isn't that hard to get, i've done it with a wammo.PwN:D 08:54, 17 February 2008 (EST) &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobby2542 (contribs).
 * I've done it with an assassin using Barbed Trap to get the cripple for Trampling Ox. So congratulations, I guess. --71.229 09:00, 17 February 2008 (EST) if you look really really close at my post, you'll notice i never mentioned a win streak and only used the mention of wins as a way to frame how much this build owns bad monks.  but I guess that's too much to ask, eh?  don't mind me, I get bitchy when people act stupid when I'm tired.

Don't go
OSHT WE HAVE A BZAR GREAT VETTED, AVATHAR OF BZAR MUST PWN WTFLOLULULULUL. Why is avathar of balthazar in there simple.. it needs a speedboast/snare, the avatar had it. You could aswell use rush or whatever speedboost, but AoB was the well.... an elite to use, and a speedboast whith some slight bonus and decent update. So this can run to split fast etc with almost perma 33% and don't die that easy.. Basicly the spike is what makes this build high vetted. SO DONT FUCKING GO AOB PWNS UR ASS LOLWUT I WIN OVER EVERYONE.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  11:11, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Speed boost and snare is not what AoB is about. It gives you +40 armor, which is a hella lot, and does armor-ignoring holy damage, which is also double damage vs minions. I Am Jebus 11:23, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Only, you know, nobody cares about minions. +33IMS& +40AL is it, the holy damage is just a bonus. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 11:24, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Pious Fury isn't mutually exclusive with the IMS from AoB, which is why it complements the spike so well. -<font color="Black">Shen 11:34, 16 February 2008 (EST)

AoB is bar compression. --71.229 21:25, 16 February 2008 (EST)


 * AoB makes me look like a worrior while im playing dervish. nothing like striking fear into your enemies before by by transforming into a god! &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  22:00, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * That's why I /roar at all my enemies - to strike fear into their yellow hearts. --71.229 22:03, 16 February 2008 (EST)

This is directed to Ichigo's comment, about nobody caring about minions: In AB, minion masters are a common sight. This can decimate the minion army quickly without being overwhelmed. I Am Jebus 22:29, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * You know what else can decimate a minion army quickly without being overwhelmed? Any non-healer with even the slightest sense of positioning.  Once the MM is dead, the minions don't matter. --71.229 22:34, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * Try killing an mm with Aura of the Lich and Dark Bond. Not so easy. Meanwhile, AoB decimates the minions themselves with little difficulty. I Am Jebus 09:11, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Considering I almost always play BA rangers or Rend Axes, it's a lot easier than you make it sound. :P --71.229 09:16, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * You strip enchants, mm casts them up again. Mystic Regeneration FTW! By the time you've stripped the enchantments again, minions kill u. I Am Jebus 09:20, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * You say that, but I somehow almost always manage to pull it off. :? --71.229 09:34, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Awright, u win. Still, dervishes are not BA rangers or Rending Axes. This is a good alternative. And dont even say rending sweep. I Am Jebus 09:45, 17 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wasn't planning on it. :) --71.229 09:48, 17 February 2008 (EST)

I love how all of the Dervish builds is just Chilling->Pious->Eremites except with different avatars >:D &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.191.241.208 (contribs).
 * Welcome to the new meta. It used to be ONLY Avatar of Melandru + Wearing Strike, and Chilling Victory was not often brought due to energy costs.  Now, with the update with Pious Assault, it has brought together much more possibilities that allow for deep wound.  Also, please use 4 "~" after your post to sign your post. -  &dagger; Lord Xivor &dagger;  00:51, 18 February 2008 (EST)
 * Whoever says AoB is bar compression... is... fail.. do you ever see anyone use convintion, armor of earth or any armor giving skill, or any skill to change your dmg type, no. Speedboost is whats valued, dmg type is a simple weapon swap osht armor ignoring.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  12:54, 18 February 2008 (EST)

If u guys spend ure time killing minions you're retarded... himynameisbobbyjoe 19:03, 19 February 2008 (EST)

HB?
Add HB tag? I'v been using this in Hero Battles, and winning with it.. I am ~rank 3000 and suck at micro management, so this is reliabe there.. Just use Deaths Charge/Retreat instead of Res.. 193.91.164.176 21:01, 16 February 2008 (EST)
 * The only success I have had with this build in HB is versus S-Way teams, I am around top 100 as my rank, (well was before I tanked) xD, now am r150... anyway, this build only works in tourneys vs. teams which you can expose with AoE. Rainbow Ftw

PvE
Should you swap out Grenth's Aura for something else in PvE? I wouldn't see the need for much enchantment removal. It can be handy, but not necessary. -- Guild of  Deals  11:42, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * Why would you run this in PvE anyway? Too much downtime imo. God  box   11:50, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * Eternal Aura > Grenth's Aura in PvE then? --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  12:00, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * Between attacks that is... and you're correct. God  box   12:16, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * ya...

[build prof=D/Any Mysticism=12+1 Scythe=12+1+1][Avatar of Balthazar][Eternal Aura][Chilling Victory][Pious Assault][Eremite's Attack][Faithful Intervention][Brawling Headbutt][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build] Faithful Intervention~>AoB~>Eternal Aura~>Pious Assault~>Chilling Victory~>Brawling Headbutt=beastly. I Am Jebus 21:06, 19 February 2008 (EST)
 * I guess u could replace Brawling with Attackers Insight or Mystic Regen. I Am Jebus 21:06, 19 February 2008 (EST)


 * You will start removing enchantments pretty early as you're enchantments have too long downtime. God  box   10:27, 20 February 2008 (EST)
 * Just make a PvE build somewhere else...  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  05:15, 21 February 2008 (EST)
 * It's still one of the few Dervishes in PvE that use DW. Since most of them have enchantments, only AoM can use Wearying Strike. This can just use PA for decent damage and DW, along with AoE enchantment removal (which can be surprisingly effective in PvE). --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  11:41, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * With my cheapness, I just use wounding strike in PvE FTW. Justing6 16:44, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * Reaper's Sweep=moar damage+DW if enemy under 50% health. :) I Am Jebus 18:49, 23 February 2008 (EST)
 * The problem with that is your target dies if it is under 50% health before you can swing your scythe, unless it is lvl 28 in EoTN. Justing6 10:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)
 * ... I'd recommend just not using this build in PvE. It lacks reliable IAS. The addition of the Kurzick / Luxon Heart of Fury would pump it up further... and before you know it, you're rebuilding the entire thing from scratch. Would someone fix it so it is for PvP only? ~ SotiCoto 08:55, 2 March 2008 (EST)
 * I use this build perfectly fine in PvE with absolutely zero problems. It is perfectly viable in PvE, and I use it in elite areas and hardmode, as well. -  &dagger; Lord Xivor &dagger;  12:36, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Archive Plz
Can sum1 archive this and move to a nice, clean discussion page? I Am Jebus 09:20, 24 February 2008 (EST)
 * Archive discussion page, plz. WTB nice clean discussion page. [[image:IAmJebus_sig.jpg|20px]] I Am   *  Jebus  *  15:26, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Grenth's Aura
I think the key element of this build is Grenth's Aura not AoB. Without it this build would be like any other dervish spike build from a month ago. That being said the current build name is probably not appropriate. --Voidvector 05:47, 3 March 2008 (EST)
 * Combination of 33% IAS for spikes and 74 seconds of 33% IMS is very nice tbh [[Image:RailinWoHInvertedSig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Phalmatticus 15:08, 3 March 2008 (EST)
 * Interesting how the buff to Pious Assault and the introduction of Grenth's Aura make the once-scorned elite now widely popular in top 100 GvG, huh? --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 17:26, 3 March 2008 (EST)
 * Makes me mad, that goddamn new dervspike is going to get this skillbar nerfed, and, knowing Izzy and his moronic concepts of balance, there will be overkill [[Image:RailinWoHInvertedSig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Phalmatticus 21:16, 3 March 2008 (EST)

My RA version for abuse of patient spirit
[build prof=D/Mo Mysticism=10+1+1 Scythe=12+2 Wind=4+1 Healing=7][Avatar of Balthazar][Chilling Victory][Pious Assault][Eremite's Attack][Attacker's Insight][Grenth's Aura][Patient Spirit][Resurrection Signet][/build] Just make sure to cast Aura second after Insight so it ends and removes an enchant before Pious assault. Still enough health to trigger Chilling considering most casters in RA use sup runes =) . What is also beastly is 84 heal for 1 energy every 3 sec from pat spirit after mysticism. Yay self heal that is better than natural healing! Yay for only changing one skill! Justing6 20:20, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Nerfs
Don't let me see an Effectiveness rating higher than 4. I'll cut you. Zuranthium 16:41, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Archive?
It's not a horrible character after the nerfs but at the same time it's pretty much inferior to any top-notch Warrior build and won't be seeing play by any good teams. Zuranthium 16:48, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * Was getting to this one. Probably, since even if you were to run an AoB, it wouldn't match this one's particular success. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 16:51, 6 March 2008 (EST)
 * Doubt people will still run this template. And franky, i don't care if I never see one of these again. Pluto 01:58, 7 March 2008 (EST)