Archive talk:W/any Headbutt Sword

Discussion
suggestions for cat tags needed - Y0_ ich_halt  16:30, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Errr... Category tags... Hmmmmm... What about RA and TA? It can't hurt, just throw in a self heal. Also, I'd say bring Shadow Arts to 8. -- Guild of  Moses  16:31, 22 December 2007 (EST)
 * the attribs are pretty much preference. that 1 second won't be much since your spike shouldn't take longer than 3s anyway ^^ as for RA, i don't think it's suited since it can't build good pressure and it can't solo spike, but in TA, it might help. so i'll add TA. -  Y0_ ic h_halt  07:44, 23 December 2007 (EST)

I'd bring disrupting chop instead of agonizing, since this is shutdown more than it is damage. Return could be in the optional so you're more free to overextend. --Mafaraxas 14:47, 29 December 2007 (EST)
 * since your target is dazed, your attacks will interrupt anyway, so damage is preferred, especially since agonizing chop activates faster ;) it's a good alternative, though. - Y0_ ich_halt  11:24, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Beguiling seems a bit heavy on energy to be useful consistently--Traxx 21:06, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * No I've used this build before and its fine on energy as long as you use a Zealous Axe XvivaX 21:14, 4 January 2008 (EST)
 * you don't even need a zealous axe that badly. for one spike, you will use 20 energy. between two spikes, there will be 20s time to regenerate: 2 pips * 20s = 2/3*20 energy = 40/3 energy = 33 energy. You can even spike twice without haze only using frenzy. ^^ - Y0_ ich_halt  09:14, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * 40/3 = 13.33, lol. You do need a zealous axe, but it's not needed constantly. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] Mafaraxas  17:40, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * lol, i gotta stop doing maths after midnight... (i'm at EST -6) and you still don't need it. if you would, i'd have problems with the build ¬.¬ - Y0_ ich_halt  13:37, 7 January 2008 (EST)

...Add Caltrops in Optionals? I dunno, looks pretty solid. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  09:35, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * do you think i should add or remove any more tags? - Y0_ ich_halt  13:08, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * AB and CM? Maybe even PvE with Cyclone Axe. Heck, any builds works there. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  14:07, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * not this, beguiling haze is totally misplaced in pve. but ab and cm may work. - Y0_ ich_halt  14:34, 6 January 2008 (EST)
 * Who cares, it's just PvE anyway. I always run a boonprot just for the nostalgia. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  10:56, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * i run a smiter w/ ray of judgment :D - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 12:26, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * And how many people /ragequit in your groups? lol --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 13:00, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * AI doesn't qq :P - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 13:35, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * Sousuke does. He's emo. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  15:26, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * you're right. i suck. you suck. life sucks. *emosob* - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 15:47, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * *hands over a razor* - Star Seeker  |  My talk  09:51, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * thanks, but a knife would do, too... - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 11:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)

No. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  15:48, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * EDIT:No Bull's (if it did have no energy to use), evis > BH, shock >BH (KD > daze on spikes anyway). Overall just a meh build. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  15:54, 7 January 2008 (EST)
 * 5s daze every 20s > 2s kd every 30s. - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 11:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * Movement control > daze, though. But it also depends on where youre playing and with what other players. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  13:34, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * bull's and stonefist say hai2u – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 19:23, 8 January 2008 (EST)
 * yes, the optional is supposed to be bull's, but shouldn't it stay optional with the other stuff you can put in there? - Y0_ ich_halt </tt> 08:46, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Bull's main build doesn't work with the energy constraints, but let's have it in the variants for those who want to try it or another energy skill. Zuranthium 22:06, 11 February 2008 (EST)

looks like it could work in some situations however i think it would work best paired with another damage dealer with good coordination Deathly Spirit 07:25, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * That's... a given. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 10:42, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * The energy cost and sacrafices given up for Beguiling Haze is too much to justify this over a Eviscerate/Bull's Axe warrior with Death's Charge, imo. Even with a Zealous Axe.  Paragon City 13:56, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Wait, how do I get two secondaries? Is there some quest chain I missed? --71.229 13:57, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * My bad, I mixed up my wording. Thanks for catching me. Paragon City 13:59, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Gotta love a score 2.49, adding 0.01 would sort it into Other. :P God  box   14:28, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Doesn't look very much like an Axe build, it was changed by IP 76.25.252.67 Araziel 18:07, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * anyone wanna teach me how to revert?:0.-- AESTHE  T  I  C 
 * For an actual revert, use the diff page (in the history: select the old radiobutton in the left column, keep the other one at the top right), click "undo" at the topright, then save the page. Or, just edit an older version & save. The first version enters the revert info though. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 18:46, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * Whenever I've tried to use the undo to undo more than the most recent change, it just applies to the most recent change. Er, I mean that you can't undo multiple edits at once without getting an edit copy of the old page and saving that way. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas  19:23, 12 February 2008 (EST)
 * orite, forgot about that one, rollbacks (which is more edits than one diff'd reverted) are admin only iirc. – Ichigo 724 [[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 20:20, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Rewrite
Discuss here. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 13:00, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
 * That's one hell of a rewrite. - Star Seeker  |  My talk  12:48, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * yeye, Headbutt is better for dazed. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 12:49, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * What about a Contagion necro?--Relyk 13:51, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Contagion doesn't inflict Dazed. You need a primer (this). &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 16:46, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Area Tags
Add those applicable, remove those that are not. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 13:13, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
 * AB and CM are iffy. HA, and GvG usually are areas where Foul Feast would be used. TA, maybe. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  17:49, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Alone, these builds suck.
Either copy apr's whole team build or none at all. <font color="#033361">Railin 16:39, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * /agree [[Image:RailinWoHInvertedSig.jpg|19px]]<font color="Black">Phalmatticus 16:48, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not worth documenting the entire team build. This alone is the significant portion of it. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 16:52, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
 * It's not better than the vetted builds without the necro drawing and sending daze to the enemy monks. :/ [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 12:56, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Why not make it a "build team" of two people with 6 optionals? The purpose of the build is there without being ass then. Misery 13:56, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * That'd work. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 13:58, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

this is a horrible build to use alone, either you throw a plague touch or make a team build with a nec with foul feast and plague signet , this shouldn't be used alone imo Drownz 20:13, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Plague Touch is the first thing in Variants. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:37, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Someone put it in the main bar. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  07:19, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Not needed, really. You want basically all those skills in the main bar. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 12:16, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I'd go for Sun and Moon main bar. This is a pressure character. Zuranthium 12:34, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

if this is meant to be tagged alone, than plague touch is a must on the main bar , otherwise if you want to keep this build make a team build with a foul feast necro , or even a Contagion , similar to the contagion-way on HA Drownz 19:54, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Exactly. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 03:49, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

I vote that
Final Thrust changed to Optional, since this is a *pressure* build. Plague touch then makes it all ok :)--Relyk 04:26, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Get Plague Touch.
Yeah... Roxas XIII 07:09, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Plz get plague touch outherwise the build dosnt work The Golden Arrow 07:14, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * This build is rated not for the main bar, but for the variants, apparently. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 07:45, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * And every vote that was for the main bar got removed. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 07:45, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Because this is meant to go with a Foul Feast Necro. But, if one is not present, you can kick a skill for Plague Touch. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  07:55, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Then why isn't the necro in the team build? [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 07:56, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Because it's not a team build. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:47, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * If it's not a team build, there's no foul feast necro, which means you can't vote for it as if it has one. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 15:23, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Of course you can. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:30, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * rofl i know enough then. [[Image:Railin-WoH.jpg‎|19px]] <font color="#033361">Railin 15:31, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Shut up already. &mdash;  Skadiddly [슴Mc슴] Diddles  15:31, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Silence
With a Silencing mod, Headbutt will daze the warrior for 24 seconds. If the Foul Feast necro also has a silencing mod equipped, that will be 32 seconds, and then ~43 seconds when that necro transfers it with Plague Signet, not counting the duration increase from using Plague Signet. That's a long daze. Just wanted to point that out to you people. - <font color="#000080">(ză'rē'năs thĕ shăd'ō) [snō hwīt tăn]  10:00, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * There's a thing like silencing swords? :0 I didn't know that.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 10:02, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * el oh el. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]] Guild of  Deals  10:02, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * STOP MOCKING ME!! *hides to QQ*  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 10:08, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * There's a cap on condition length of 30 seconds last I knew, anyway, and the daze would never be on the monk that long against any decent team, anyway. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] <font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas 10:37, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Isn't the duration cap for conditions only on bosses?--<font color="Black">Fallen (<font color="Blue">talk ) 21:51, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * I tested it on a dummy with silencing spears, it lasted about 60 seconds [give or take] (14 curses) but I was counting in my head since I don't have a watch of the stop --97.100.157.41 22:11, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Escape+Silencing Spear Weapon Swap seems to be popular. You could use that same Spear (or if you feel like going through your inventory, a Furious Spear) to gain adrenaline before you spike. -Mike 22:07, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

RA
Why is this tagged for RA? You rely on someone else in order to work effectively and that's not a good thing in RA. Imo remove the RA tag, this build shouldn't be there. God box   15:45, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Take Plague Touch imo. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:49, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Wait, it's not tagged for RA. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:49, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

use
you're saying it works well in conjunction with a FF / signet spammer, but doesn't it ONLY work well with that? if this would 1V1 a caster, it wouldn't be any better then a mendinghealingbreeze wammo imo :p (actually that would work better, healing ftw) Close Impact   talk  11:19, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Plague Touch imo. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 13:01, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * how comes the main bar is full then, remove 1 skill and u got no synergy, bulls is like the only thing you could remove, but thats one big skill 2.. :s i don't get what to remove to add PT tbh :/  Close Impact   talk  14:39, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * Probably Res Sig in AB. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:18, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
 * In AB and CM, the only places you may not have a FF Plague necro, you remove rez for plague touch. --NYC Elite 18:46, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

TA
Check my talk page, there's a ta idea there with a Headbutt warrior. Tell me what can be improved.Matti Nuke 07:19, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
 * More melee hate. --71.229.204.25 07:21, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

delete
was never meta, its bad. Gringo 01:54, September 29, 2009 (UTC)