Archive talk:W/any Steelfang Slash "Coward!" Warrior

Discussion
Been using this build for quite a while now. I love how steelfang gives you adrenaline in order to use the spike or instantly use Coward! again. I know bull's strike does this aswell, I just founf that the fact that it's ranged just works better (for example bull's strike+IMS doesn't work against kiters who use an IMS) Rickyvantof 17:40, 3 December 2007 (CET)


 * If your using Coward! from distance, how do you plan on hitting him with a sword while he's knocked down? Also, your IAS (Tiger Stance) is terribad on a warrior.--[[image:ViYsig3.png]] (talk /pvxcontribs ) 12:56, 5 December 2007 (CET)
 * Try using this. With a stonefist insignia your opponent will be on the ground long enough. You only use Coward on foes who run away from you, so they shouldn't be too far away from you. I'm gonna have to agree with the Tiger Stane being terribad. The thing is I normally don't use a self heal in Random Arena's(I run the Frenzy/Rush version) because when you have no monk in your team you won't be getting far, anyway. Burst of Aggression will ruin tis build, since it's adren-based, Flail/Frenzy won't work because there's no room for a cancel stance. If you have a suggestion for another IAS, I'd appreciate it.Rickyvantof 18:15, 5 December 2007 (CET)

I'd say go W/Mo and bring Sig of Judgment. Unconditional KD+a little bit of damage. Either that or Crip Slash and Iron Palm. -- Guild of  Deals  14:01, 8 December 2007 (CET)
 * Signet of Judgement has a 20 second recharge. Your opponent will be able to go anywhere. Coward will be recharged instantly with Steelfang Slash. Rickyvantof 12:29, 9 December 2007 (CET)

Dragon Slash. Sup rune is baed. Good use of 'Coward!', but I don't see this getting vetted tbh. --71.208.123.61 13:01, 9 December 2007 (CET)
 * I use Sup. runes everywhere in PvP. Works for me. Rickyvantof 14:48, 10 December 2007 (CET)

Well Sup Runes in PvP are bad. The more health the better. High enough health can prevent spikes long enough for Monks/you to heal. -- Guild of  Moses  13:51, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Bull's Strike!
what kind of warrior build that targets runners dosn't include bull's strike? drop an attack skill for it!!!--The Noob Police 09:39, 1 January 2008 (EST)
 * Redundancy is generally bad. --71.229@home
 * Coward = bull's strike, only better. Having double copy is bad. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  10:26, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Disarm
Might be a more-than-viable option imo... I've seen a variant of this in a top 100 gvg ladder game, perhaps it should be in the variants section... Rihadol 19:40, 2 January 2008 (EST)
 * I suppose in a well organized team this build can work wonders, since it has two free ranged knockdowns, if used correctly. But well organized is the opposite of what RA and AB are, heh. Anyway, I can see how a simple cripslash build is better than this, but it's just so...meta... Rickyvantof 15:09, 2 January 2008 (EST)

lol
So u use "coward" then haveta get1 hit b4 u can use steelfang.. very funny. This is why i hat RA, all these random ass builds Chris 22:19, 7 January 2008 (EST)

I actually think I saw Yue running something like this build in GvG a few months back. Well, the somewhat good version at least (ie, the one with frenzy and rush). I can't remember if he had sun and moon slash or not though, but otherwise same build as the TA one posted, and it seemed to be working just fine. Pluto 09:41, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Suggestion
Why not swich "Coward!" for shock? Edvin 16:24, 8 January 2008 (EST)Edvin
 * Lol. - [[Image:Unexist sig.jpg|20px]]Unexist  10:26, 28 January 2008 (EST)

u know u could of added ur sig and that title in one edit :P and because wasting ur elite is a more viable choice >.>-- «º¤¥Ω☼Vør råx☼Ω¥¤º» 16:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

This is a use for "Coward!", nothing more, nothing less. Rickyvantof 08:55, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Steelfang slash doesn't recharge shock instantly for you, allowing you to chain kd really bad people indefinitely. Guess which skill you can do this with? Pluto 09:14, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * The answer is bull's strike, with echo and arcane echo. Pluto 18:27, 9 January 2008 (EST)
 * Don't forget Meteor Shower, lolz. Rickyvantof 11:24, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Coward Buff from 6a to 4a
Viable build now? It's worth a test. Maybe after replacing Tiger Stance with a better IAS. Zubey 10:39, 18 January 2008 (EST)
 * I'll replace it with the TA version in Variants and put it back to testing --Rickyvantof 12:01, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Changed the build a bit. Might be viable with the "Coward!" buff, which is why I put it back in Testing. I dunno what should happen with the votes though. Rickyvantof 12:07, 18 January 2008 (EST)


 * I think that after the recent buff to Coward, this build (and minor variants of it, like going W/E for a conjure etc, could be quite viable. I look forward to trying this out next time I pvp. Zephyr Cloud 15:43, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Remove votes
Hey Ricky, go bother an admin to remove votes. The recent buff'll make this a lot better. --71.229 01:45, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * I think I will Rickyvantof 06:05, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * Nah. Since the buff there's been "Coward!" builds posted, so I'll let this rot in the trash. Rickyvantof 09:35, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * This should be different enough to be a seperate article though.  Mike Tycn ( punch   out )  09:48, 19 January 2008 (EST)
 * But steelfang and coward no longer synergise as well. Steelfang generated 6 energy on an uncharged adrenal skill, which used to be how much coward costed, but now you only need 4 so its overkill. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]]  Ressmonkey (talk)  09:58, 19 January 2008 (EST)

I agree Rickyvantof 12:59, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Coward + steelfang is ftw, if the monk stands he dies, if he run, he dies aswell (you can chain steelfang + coward with the insignia which increase KD by one second). MrBArtel
 * Steelfang would be overkill for just coward. the reason the skill is nice though is because it turns this bar into a dragonslash-lite.  Being able to pump out all those sun and moon slashes is pretty nice, on top of having a quick recharging kd. Pluto 13:28, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Buffs
I think buffs make this build very viable. 4 adrenny "Coward!" which is easily fueled by Steelfang makes it seem pretty good. -- Guild of  Deals  10:17, 26 January 2008 (EST)


 * Ya. God  box   11:06, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Energy
The build isn't making good enough use of its energy pool right now...only Frenzy on the bar. Rush should be swapped out for Pious Haste. Or, Pious Assault + Lion's Comfort instead of Sever + Gash. Rending Touch instead of Sun + Moon Slash is another option. Zuranthium 15:09, 11 February 2008 (EST)

HB
Variant with buffed Sprint and Rend Enchantments has been used quite a bit by three or four top 100 warriors lately, tag maybe? Teutonic 23:15, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

This
Is better then its rating.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Mootles  08:18, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
 * /agree.  09:26, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
 * imo SaMS should be taken out for an optional. That way other skills like Conjure, Shock, Rend, etc. can be used and increase its versatility. Smooths 22:25, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Fixed. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:27, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Sprint or Rush?
sprint is the stance cancel for frenzy and it has 15sec recharge, wouldn't be better to use rush instead of sprint for a stance cancel? Drownz 21:15, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
 * No.  21:19, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Both are used, just Sprint more than Rush on this build. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 21:37, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Sprint is prty gud at coward bars actually, speccialy coward.  Fishels [슴Mc슴] Nig  13:22, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Nerf
This is about to get nerfed with the recharge of steelfang.
 * Yup. 1 second recharge is gonna be added. 68.231.12.44 23:56, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

It was meh already. &not; Master Gladius  01:22, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * It was pretty pwn, tbh.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 13:00, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Archive
[Y/N]?  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  18:54, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Y Frost  eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  18:56, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Definitely. Its combo got destroyed.  Great while it lasted though. Gogey 08:55, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Archived it.  09:02, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Restored the original "general" coward build. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:45, 23 May 2008 (EDT)