Archive talk:W/P Enraged PvE Hammer Soldier

Needs moar easily charged adrenaline attacks to trigger the additional bonus damage of Enraged Smash. God box   11:52, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
 * yh i cudn't find one to put in place of save yourselfs, and suggestions?[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304 06:42, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Watch yourself. Dodge this. Fear me. Go for the eyes. Brawling hook. counter blow. ear bite. rush. Symbolic Strike. etc etc etc. There's loads of them and it doesn't matter which you pick. you won't really be using them anyway. You'll throw up flail and spam enraged tbh. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  06:51, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I put in dodge this, you could use it as often as your like and you wont lose dmg becuase you do +20 and it will be charged in 2 hits so you lose 20 dmg from enraging = free anti block^^ thx btw[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304 10:09, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

testing
rdy for it? if not suggest improvments plsHowe304 12:31, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Might consider a cancel stance in there somewhere in order to cancel Flail. Rush would be a good choice. -Erondilthevaliant 16:25, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 * "I Am The Strongest!" as an optional? Blader 16:29`, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 * "I am the strongest!" is energy and therefiore you would lose damage from enraging. In PvE you dont realy need a cancel your only going to be waiting max 2-3 seconds.[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304 02:36, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Deja Vu?
Hasn't someone made this build before? Justing6 21:33, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
 * No this is a PvE version of the other PvP version i made which can be found rate it! btw its kinda like Dragon Slash but for a hammer.[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304  02:38, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
 * In other words, it's just worst than Dragon Slash.[[Image:User Ereanor sig.jpg]]reanor 15:26, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
 * No!, if youve run a d-slash build you will know if d-slash gets blocked ur DPS goes from 100 to 10. With this u dont have that problem and you have more utility and im not sure but i think the damage is kinda similar.[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304 15:33, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
 * perhaps you have the rest of your team to pack some anti-block? also, D-Slash eats this alive - loads of DPS and more utility on a DSlash bar. 24.63.206.168 18:42, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
 * D-slash deals more damage and faster, and has more utility due to actual knockdown/SY spamming. This build's only advatage over D-slash is that you can get the double adrenaline from another source, like Dark Fury or Infuriating Heat, so you can spam the elite all the time, and not just 30 seconds with a 15 seconds cooldown, but that's not enough to equal D-slash overall.[[Image:User Ereanor sig.jpg]]reanor 02:55, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Experianced, there is a KD, brawling headbut, its in optional.[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304 04:36, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 * But you can't spam it.[[Image:User Ereanor sig.jpg]]reanor 14:30, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Why DS beats this
 —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   22:01, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
 * 1) Spamming of Save Yourselves
 * 2) More domage
 * 3) And Save Yourselves
 * 4) And did I mention Save Yourselves?
 * Thats for HM so more armour is better, and btw this does more damage, D-slash is +35, this is +40 and you have the extra base dmg from hammer, idk bout the exact but its pretty similar.[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304 03:21, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * SY works everywhere. Pve things still deal damage in NM last time i checked. Also this isn't constant +40 because all other skills must be charged for that. &not; Klump  eet  03:26, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yes it is, you just charge the skills hit FGJ and spam.[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]Howe304 03:28, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Hammers also attack much slower than swords so last I checked, damage should be higher.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 12:00, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

d-slash
i know this is similar to d-slash and yes its probably not as good (no spamming of SY) but the DPS is similar and it doesnt get raped by blocking so stop comparing it to d-slash cos i know this sint as good and doesnt deserve "great status" but should get at least good for beign only a little bit worse to an amazing build, and its not a dupe so it still deserves a pageHowe304  03:30, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * D-slash at 16 Swordmanship is +42, this is +40 no matter what. Base damage (wich is armor dependant, and therefore even worse in HM) from a hammer is higher, but the sword attacks faster, and since both builds use Flail, D-slash wins. I know the build works, I've put it on a hero with disabled low adrenal skills (and doubling the adrenaline with Infuriating Heat from someone else) and it deals good damage, but the truth is that we can't consider it just another build, since it has the same basic idea and porpuse of a better one. "Warrior DPS by spamming your elite" is better achived by the D-slash build, wich also adds great and easy-to-use utility (and a shield too), so there's no reason for a GW palyer to use this build over D-slash, that's the porpuse of PvX:WELL, I'm not saying that it doesn't work.[[Image:User Ereanor sig.jpg]]reanor 05:43, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * If you miss your Dslash for whatever reason, then your damage drops for a while until you build your adrenaline back up. This takes about 1 hit with FGJ, Infuriating, etc. So it's not totally inferior. The builds are very similar, but I think that's a by product of Enraged's requirement for low (spammable) adrenal skills to max it out. However, just as Dslash has the SY! gimmick, I think you probably need to find one for this, too. Spamming +damage skills only goes so far. - PANIC!  [[Image:Panic_sig4.png|50px|18px]]  sexiness!  06:00, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Lulz, porpoise. 00:37, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree that they're similar, but this is still very good, and is slightly more flexible. -Mike 07:21, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

PvP
could this build be changed for pvp seeing as the FGJ update wrecks d-slash in pvp.?<font color="Black">Howe304 04:07, 5 July 2008 (EDT)


 * dslash spam was only for euros anyway. Use a real build for PvP.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 07:21, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Didn't you already submit a PvP one, though? ــмıкε  нaшк  10:00, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * lol yh, got trashed, aparently Hammers are only for KD, but after update might become a possiblilty, and plus hammer builds shouldnt be imediamtly trashed cos they dont Kd, they can pressure too,[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Howe304 15:58, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * haaaaaammeeeers aaaaaaaare sloooooooooooow. Only advantage are the kd's. Not using kd's? => axe or sword :3 -- Sazzy  16:25, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
 * but can a sword spam +50? i deal like 100dmg per hit all charged[[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Howe304 14:47, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * spirit bond says hi -- Sazzy  16:10, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Spirit Bond would own D-Slash even more against a 60AL; at least this would cancel out most of Spirit Bond's healing. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:25, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You don't hit with dslash on every hit and therefor hardly trigger spirit bond that often as this one does. -- Sazzy  16:30, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If you aren't hitting with D-Slash on every hit, you're decreasing your DPS anyway (and it's not like you can't skip every second hit with Enraged Smash if you had to.) Besides, you would either switch targets or just auto-attack (which I wouldn't recommend) with either the Hammer or Sword if no one strips their prot. D-Slash in PvP, however, does usually include SaMS (your unblockable attacks) and benefits more from damaging increasing buffs like Strength of Honor and the Conjures. ــмıкε  нaшк  16:37, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Add Conjure to this build, and there you go.[[Image:User Ereanor sig.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 18:39, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I meant that since Swords attack faster, they'll benefit even more from a Conjure. Conjures (or SoH+Judge's Insight if you don't already have an ally with them) instead of Enduring Harmony wouldn't be a bad idea, though. Mebbe make Enduring Harmony optional and suggest it with the Conjures for that slot? ــмıкε  нaшк  18:43, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
 * conjures are dodjy, they ca be removed easily and cost alot of energy, for a warrior. Im pretty sure that with Enduring Harmony the extra time you get spamming enraged is better thana conjure?? ca ne1 verify? [[Image: Howe304sig.jpg|20px]]<font color="Black">Howe304 02:47, 17 July 2008 (EDT)