Archive talk:Team - Zaishen Flame Farmers

Red Link...  Frosty  No U!  16:09, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Deep Freeze on one SF ele? Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:11, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It's Zaishen, they are dumb.  Frosty  No U!  16:12, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Then indeed are, SF will eat their soul, btw ty frosty <3 Ashes 16:14, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Deep Freeze helps. Some gay one's run. Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 16:23, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Micro to kill? CoF will stop them ressing.  Frosty  No U!  16:29, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * No, Frozen Soil will, remember this is a total camper build Ashes 16:30, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Oh yea and EoE will finish anything else off.  Frosty  No U!  16:36, 26 July 2008 (EDT)~

quite good Buildsmaker 15:17, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Cry of Frustration?
For those who might wonder: "Why?" ... all i can say is: "Cry of Frustration > Vimway" Ashes 16:37, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Perhaps nice vs Obsidian Spike as protective bond is missing on the monk...77.251.227.254 05:59, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Hmm..
So i herd taht u cant farm Balthazar Faction in PvE....Roxas XIII 18:17, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well it is PvEnviroment, it's not PvP is it?  Frosty  No U!  18:17, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * It may not be Person versus Person, but it definitely is a PvP simulation. Personally I think this is more PvP than it is PvE and should therefore be in the PvP catagory 77.251.227.254 06:00, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well the other Zaishen builds out there, got these tags Ashes 08:44, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I agree. Zaishen is a form of PvP battle found in the PvP battle isles.
 * Zaishen is PvE. You (the player) are fighting against the Zaishen, some of the dumbest AI in the game(Environment). Zaishen are not other players so it cannot be considered "PvP" (which is of course "Player versus PLAYER" for those who couldnt tell). Der Pwnzer 02:51, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

At Well Tag
The tagged build requires 2 players, since it's Me/E, this can be done solo.  Frosty  No U!  18:45, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Also, this is faster and way safer Ashes 02:49, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Me/E makes it go faster, just use an E/ for third ele, not that diffficult. Im just loling at how obvious that is...--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]]R ELYK    ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ  06:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Im not loling. as if you just edit conflicted me!!!!! Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 06:11, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Energy > Fastcast when it comes to Zaishen Elite... My eles got 40/40 set to the casting time/ recharge + they got Aura of resto for selfheal. Its just better Ashes 08:44, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Tried out Ashes build today. Worked wonders and should definately not be deleted from the PvXwiki. There's a clear difference in the 2 builds although theres similarities. The differences is what makes Ashes build way better than the other one to be honest. IMBAZORZ 08:58, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Isn't there already a general guide that covers all of this? Dutchess of Rose aka  lukejohnson  - talk 09:03, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * TBH, this is inferior. FC > Energy when you're gonna blow out all your energy in 5 seconds and then you'll be done. No need for tons of energy if you only need to waste a small bit int a small time. Anyway, the tagged build doesn't require 2 players, it says "with either players or 1 player and 3 heroes". It is inferior. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 12:19, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You can't get 3 mesmer heroes though, it should really state to use an ele hero too.  Frosty  No U!  12:26, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * You're supposed to be a Mesmer, then you bring Norgu and Gwen and a Monk hero. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 12:27, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I need 2 lrn2read.  Frosty  No U!  12:34, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I'll give you lessons for free Frosty Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 12:34, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Zaishens got a bigger chance of raping the mesmers than the eles Ashes 13:06, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * ... No they don't Dutchess of Rose  aka  lukejohnson  - talk 13:14, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Ups to Luke. They have the same armor, and odds of them interrupting you (do Zaishen actually interrupt?) are smaller when spells take shorter to cast. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 13:25, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Cry of Frustration anyone? Ashes 13:26, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Guild of Deals' vote
Quote1 Guild of Deals: "Slower than the already vetted Zaishen Farmers. Energy isn't really needed when you only need to blow out like 50 energy and then everything is done (and the Mesmers have 50 energy with staves and Radiants)" Your build: 14FC = 1s - .5sec | 2s - 1s | 5s - 2.6sec... My Build: 81 energy, [url=http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/40/40]40/40 set[/url], runes which end up in extra damage. Also i got eoe, which will help you killing quite alot Quote2 Guild of Deals(taken from Nuking Zaishen FFF): "It works pretty well. I had some difficulty with the Trappers, but after you get through them and onto the mixed teams in Elite, it gets easier." lol your actually high-lighting what i mean. Rangers will give u a hard time, and with my build you take 50% less damage and Aura of Restorating will take care of most of the healing. Also Cry of Frutration works both offensive and defensive if you get what i mean. All in all, your vote seems to me like a way to tear this build apart, and thereby getting it trashed. Also would you mind trying this build before you 1-1-1 vote? Ashes 13:26, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Life bond doesn't trigger on traps btw. Only on attacks. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 13:29, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If I had a dime every time some guy got overly sensitive about one of my votes and says "Did you atleast TRY it?" then let's say I wouldn't be going to PvX. I said ENERGY DOESN'T MATTER if everything is going to kersplode in 5 seconds. Fast Casting makes things go faster for Zaishen. You can EASILY tack on CoF on any of your generic Mesmer bars. With the other build, you're idiot Hero Monk will still heal you. Zaishen isn't about making a survivable team, it's about if you can make a team that can assrape them before they somehow kill you. There's a difference between being able to complete a task and completing a task better. This doesn't do it better. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 13:32, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * yea and this build destoy the zaishens better and can still survive if you screw somehting up, but still why 1-1-1? oh yea, i forgot lawl Ashes 13:36, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

This criterion describes how effective the build does what it was designed for. That is, how much damage does a spiker build deal, a healer build heal or a protector build prevent? How good is the chance to get through the specified area with a running build or to reach and defeat the specified foes with a farming build? So complete Zaishing destroying in 15-20sec only worth 1pts in your opinion? omg its gonna be hard to get a 5'er off you, damn Ashes 13:43, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * If the other build is better, then yes its less score.  13:45, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Well ain't you supposed to vote every build individually? lol w/a suck because shock axe is better Ashes 13:50, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * Frv is right, but GoD is just being bad. His build uses mesmer nukers and dot's without any snares. AI flees dot's. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 17:57, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * I said that Mesmer Nukers work better for Zaishen because they do it faster, and this doesn't have snares either. My vote hasn't been removed so it's sticking. Anyway, no matter how much you poke me for a different vote, it will still be a Trash one. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]] * Wah Wah  Wah! * 20:01, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
 * LOL its not faster, and you dont need snare with only one dot spell, nvm have a nice day ;D Ashes 02:37, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

FYI DEWDS
GoD is a complete dick unless its A.) HIS Build B.) A friends build [Note: He doesn't have many friends.] or C.) It's a gay crappy about to get nerfed Ursan build. If he gives you a crappy vote get on a proxy make a sockpuppet and spam his talk page with random crap to piss him off. Then paint a red X on his door to scare him with Voodoo. Then call Igor and Rask cuz ursan nerf = win. _RASK_
 * wut ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 20:55, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

People's votes
8 votes so far, 6 x 5-5-5 and then we got Guild of Deals and his little supporter with their 1-1-1, wtf's up with that. Ashes 07:12, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
 * This is probably the first and last time i will defend Relyk, but you're wrong. Its definately not a 5-5-5 build, and not a 1-1-1 either. Frankly, stop being immature and whining because somebody rated low your build. If you have a problem, put it on the AN and realise this: someone voting on your build is not personal, is never personal, and will never be personal.. &mdash;The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 21:00, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
 * I think he's whining because GoD is giving it a rating that is based on incorrect reasoning, and relyk is following his bad example. If Ashes is for some reason taking it personally, then he should look for a source of unwarranted self-importance elsewhere. And I agree, the 5-5-5's were handed out too liberally. But that doesn't change that GoD and relyk are wrong. ~ [[Image:ZamaneeJinnSig.jpg|18px]] Zamanee ( point out my idiocy ) 21:06, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Easy build
I like this build over the previously existing ones because it requires the least micromanagement. There are slight tweaks I have made when I use this. 1) I use an Adept Staff Head instead of Insightful, and Vitaes instead of Attunements, because my Monk never seems to run out of energy. 2) After the gate opens, I flag the heroes past the gate beyond the spirits' aggro bubble to reduce the likelihood of foes coming back towards the spirits. All else remains constant. -- WhiteAsIce 08:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)