User talk:Vorpal/Archive 1

Votes
Broke my 54 vote streak.  Anvil   God  01:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 54 votes jezus! Sorry for breaking your streak! Some builds here definitely need to be archived btw :P Vorpal 01:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I am easily annoyed
You do realize that "fixed" is a word, right? -- Jai . -  17:42, May 23 2011 (UTC)
 * Please accept my humble apologies for using forum slang :P Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 17:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * :D -- Jai . -  18:12, May 23 2011 (UTC)

stop adding
 ;Team builds  to separate individual from tea, we can tell they're team builds because of they are labeled as such. Adding the ~ to separate individual builds and team builds is admittedly a bad habit considering they're already grouped together.-- Relyk 19:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh I'm sorry, I saw it being used in other builds and thought it was the correct thing to do so I copied that style, won't happen again. Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 19:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There's nothing exactly wrong with it, just erks me since it's redundant :)-- Relyk 19:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * irk*. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 19:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right, everything that's redundant should be destroyed, including spelling comments like the one above ^ Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 19:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you haven't noticed already, PvX is basically a haven for people that are OCD/anal retentive/autistic. -- Jai . -  19:53, May 23 2011 (UTC)
 * I lol'd! Explains a lot j/k :D Although my own obsession with hero builds of a dead game scares me sometimes. Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 22:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm actually all of the above. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 22:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, all you do is troll RC. guildwars is a new and exciting game, we're finally free of any social interaction and can now play with ourselves.-- Relyk 00:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Too bad it came like 3 years too late Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 00:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Won't be long til I stalk GW2PVX RC. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 00:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * GW2 is gonna be fun, since they wanna put us out of business with their "philosophies". Let's see how long it will take for the first speedclear and meta builds to be out after some number chrunching. They've already proven that the can't balance shit. Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 00:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Signature
You need to upload the image you use in your signature separately to pvx, then use it in your sig with a link to your (talk)page. For example, you can upload the Ether Renewal image to pvx with the name VorpalRenewal.jpg or something, and then change your signature line to something like: Vorpal Hope that helps. talk 12:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, tyvm! I'll fix it this afternoon! :) Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 12:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Fix it now! Incidentally, did you get your tonic yet? I got Anton from my 2nd present :(. Dzjudz sig.png talk 23:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Your vote was removed since you copied a reasoning, but then didn't use the same numbers. If you'd like to keep your own scores, please provide your reasoning for them. --  Toraen   talk  20:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yea I never do that. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 20:06, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But it was only a small deviation.. It's possible for someone to have the same motivation but subtract/add some points for things like universality right? What's wrong with me agreeing with someone that, for instance, the build offers good damage,good support or whatever, but rating it slightly different by comparing it to other builds? Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 20:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you provide a reasoning that was used to justify a 5-4, but apply it to 4-5 or anything else, it's not really valid. Also, changes in the effectiveness rating have a much bigger impact on the overall than the universality (they're weighted 80:20). It doesn't make much sense to me as to why you'd vote effectiveness lower and universality higher for that build anyway. It's definitely faster at clearing mobs when done right (effectiveness) but will slow down relative to other builds if errors are made since RoJ relies on balling (universality). Also, if you are comparing to other builds which the author of the vote you're copying didn't consider, you should mention those comparisons. --  Toraen   talk  20:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a jack of trades master of none imo, high universality and good/averge effectiveness. But np, I'll fix it. Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 20:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

derp
you'd be amazed the things people will run in those optional slots, my or your opinion of whether they should is irrelevant-- Relyk 00:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * True, but we can at least list the proper ones, that's what this site is for right? Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 00:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No one is in the position to say what the proper optionals are. I could go on a rant for why each optional is viable or not, but I would stop caring after the first sentence. I say list all the viable optional skills and leave the burden of deciding the proper optional skills to the player.-- Relyk 01:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a small selection of optimal skills for each attribute which should be considered optionals. You know the drill: enfeebling blood, splinter weapon, stand your ground!, strength of honor, protective spirit, ect... Skills like spirit rift and smite condition however are just a bunch of crappy skills which should not be considered optionals in the first place in this particular case. Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 01:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It isn't clear cut like that, it's not our job to tell people what they should run. smite condition and spirit rift are viable for some players (for whatever reason). PvE build elitism is old news-- Relyk 00:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Smite condition is rubbish when you have acces to the overpowered Foul Feast and Spirit Rift is a very bad skill for heroes. Your hero will end up spamming the skill, doing 2 sec of casting and the damage only triggers after 3sec. That's 5 sec before anything actually happenes, cracked armor isn't really needed and the skill costs 10 energy. Ancestor's Rage is clearly superior. Anyway, I'm sure meteor shower is a viable optional as well for something somewhere sometime, should we add that one too? Your point makes no sense. Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 00:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Foul Feast doesn't give you 50+ in-the-area AoE. That's a huge radius, if you don't know. Spirit Rift, yeah, you probably shouldn't bring that, but Smite Condition should stay. -- Jai . -  01:12, July 14 2011 (UTC)
 * The in-the-area range is nice yeah, but I still wouldn't bring the skill at only 10 smiting prayers, considering we already have the awesome Putrid Bile and the condition removal is insignificant. But since it's 2 against 1 it's clearly debatable, I won't be autistic and add it back Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 01:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

zzz Spirit rift isn't that great. The reason I had it was because you usually spec from splinter weapon and ancestors' rage and people run something dumb like renewing surge, essence strike, lamentation, and so on. The cracked armor is useful even it's bad for spiking and damage in general. For smite condition, there shouldn't be an issue, it keeps melee clean the same as ua/roj smiter and the damage isn't insignificant for general play, especially against undead (where it's preferable to using FF, mbas, etc. to keep melee clean, even at low spec). having a couple copies of smite condition and mbas is so much better for keeping the team clean compared to FF. putting it on MM is a decent way to get a copy if you're going to run soh on it anyways (which you probably shouldn't).-- Relyk 14:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Needs 5 votes
Before you can change the rating on a build. --  Toraen   talk  03:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My bad, I can't count. But it doesn't make sense for (bad) builds with less than 5 votes to be categoried in "great" for quite some time. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 04:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to bring it up on the talk page of a build, you can suggest that it go back into testing if it's a wikia-imported build with less than 5 votes. Don't change the tag immediately though, I'd prefer if you waited for an admin to review the build and existing votes before changing it. --  Toraen   talk  04:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okey I'll do that. Btw can you make me an admin? <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 04:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that's a power reserved to bureaucrats. Go ahead and rfa yourself if you want but I don't think your chances are very good without someone who'd be willing to rfa you of their own volition. --  Toraen   talk  04:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * To bad since after looking at the competition I've got the feeling that I'm the only one which actually understands this game, has to much spare time, knows programming code and isn't a complete troller. Except for you of course, you're awesome. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 04:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Advanced understanding of the game isn't an admin quality actually. While it certainly helps in mediating some disputes, being an admin would not give you more authority on content. Far more important to deciding whether a candidate should be promoted is whether they can use the admin tools properly and fairly. --  Toraen   talk  05:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By your standards, I would be a perfect candidate for an admin. However, my RfA page does not indicate that. From what I've seen the last day or two, I would say you're much too easily drawn into arguments (like me), which makes you much less likely to be supported as an admin. -- Jai . -  07:06, July 14 2011 (UTC)
 * :) . Dzjudz sig.png <font color="#47d1de">talk 11:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha yeah, when I think I'm right I get easily drawned into a discussion or argument, that's just me. I think you would make a decent admin or whatever because I regard you as the one with the most (pve) knowledge here, to bad of the stuff said on your RfA page. Being mature on the internet is overrated so I guess I'll pass on this anyway. I think Dzjudz would be a good admin btw, he's has inner peace like Buddha and never gets startled. There is a good chance he's not even human. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 11:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Jai is so pro at pve-- Relyk 12:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Trolololol. Relyk's better than me at GW's by a large margin, but at least my understanding of the game is good. I'm more theory than practicality, which is what I've always told people. Also, Vorpal, you honestly remind me a bit of me except much less of a fag. -- Jai . -  02:21, July 15 2011 (UTC)

About Me
You like "Maths" and later say you hate "Your mom" QQ i confuse. sense definitely logic not!  Minion  13:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Gimme a proof by contradiction, by making use of mathematical induction, why this shouldn't be possible. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 14:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Spelling discrepancies yo. Where you from! Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 15:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it ty, now buy yourself some grammer and GTFO of my talkpage. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 15:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Could say the same to you. ;) I knew they were both fine, however the fact you mixed an Americanism with a British word (no matter what you say, Americants never say maths) made me query your whereabouts. That is all. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * An argument over the Internets. This is a serious discussion and we need to hear both sides of the party before we reach a proper consensus. (waits in suspense). [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 19:28, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh now I get it, my bad. I thought you meant that maths was spelled incorrectly :P Anyway, they weren't very fond of us using American English back at school, things like "maths" and "colour" kinda stick after all those years. I'm from The Netherlands and you? :D <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 19:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * UK, bro. No point learning Americanisms; back on Britline, Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 03:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * british elitists >.> [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 14:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * American brainwashz0r. Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ignorance is bliss turd. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 21:39, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure creationists made that term to summarise what they know about what they defend and love. That is all. It is definitely wrong, inasmuch that if we claim not knowing, luck and guessing can advance us into the future, how can we make the right choices for ourselves? It's the most ridiculous soundbite since "Jesus loves you." Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 10:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * People who think that ignorance is bliss can't handle the truth/reality or are retards in the first place. Knowledge is power! And FYI, the phrase "ignorance is bliss" comes from one of your country's many famous poets, which nobody ever heard about. Shame on you. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Ether Renewal.jpg|19px]] 12:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Never heard of Thomas Gray, but I'll look into it. Atleast we are in agreement people who use it as an excuse are stupid.  Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 13:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Haters be hatin. [[Image:AsuraSignature.jpg|15px]] Anvil God  zzz... 15:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "Maths" is basically an internet term, tbh. Also, is "your mom" an Americanist thing? Should it be "your mum" instead, or do they not have a counterpart to yo momma jokes over in the UK? Also, Minion, you've done a very bad job of showcasing the British's intelligence on PvX in general. :/ -- Jai . -  01:43, July 21 2011 (UTC)
 * Jai, I'm not in the British Intelligence. See what I did there? Slick.90.198.167.17 19:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Your sig
It needs to be re-uploaded to something like File:Vorpal_Sig.jpg. You're not supposed to use the actual image of skill icons and stuff. Actually, I'm surprised that no one's brought this up before. Probably because it's so dead around here... But if you need confirmation, read part 3 of here. -- Jai . -  01:51, July 21 2011 (UTC)
 * I have. Dzjudz sig.png <font color="#47d1de">talk 01:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ups. -- Jai . -  03:34, July 21 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 12:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Danke -- Jai . -  16:42, July 21 2011 (UTC)

lol 5-5
After the nerf, it's definitely not 5-5 any more :p. <font color="#47d1de">talk 02:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah you're right, lame way to fix those turtles lol. Where is my ele fix????? Ah well, it was a fun build. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 10:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

your comments
First of all: Thanks! Hints are always welcome. In case you don't get a notice: I answered to your comment and would like to see where my motivation was wrong. ;) Cheers! Steve1 16:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah just write why you think the build is good or bad, that should do the trick. With false motivation, sorry I wasn't really clear, I meant you voting builds down due to micro requirements, as Torean already explained. But the main problem I have with a lot of your votes, most namely the SoGM Rit, Illusion Mesmer, UA Healer and SoLS Resto ratings is that you rate builds based on things they don't have and will never have. Substracting points for the lack of hex removal, prots or rating a build as "a second choice" isn't the correct way to do it. You should rate a build within their own limit, intention, domain, whatever you wanna call it. For instance, the SoGM build is designed to spam communing spirits and is mainly used in combination with a SoS Rit, it executes this role perfectly and is not intended to replace its channeling counterpart. I can't tell you how to vote of course, but maybe you can take this into consideration. Piece bro. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 16:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't very congruent with my backline votes and will redo them, yeah. Taking your SoGM example: If it's taken together with a SoS Rit it's the clear choice, hands down. So the 2 Rit build should have 5 in efficiency (which I hope I gave it [just checked, I did. Ooof! ;) ]). But taken by itself, outside of a teambuild, it doesn not deserve a 5 rating in my opinion. Just swap out SoGM for SoS and the build is stronger: More DPS, more spirits for the wall. So if I shouldn't compare SoGM like that then I'm not really certain how I should compare builds at all. See what I mean? I'm not trying to defend my rating arguments to the blood, I'm trying to get a feel for things. Cheers! Steve1 18:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hero builds are wierd because you have to keep the number of hero professions in mind. For instance, SoS is better than SoGM in nearly every way, but there's absolutely nothing stopping you from bringing both. Hell, if you compare something like an SoS or Panic hero to a Command para hero, there's no competition, but the command para is still a valid choice because you run out of mesmer and rit builds before you hit the 7 hero limit. In other words, if you're rating rit builds, you should look at the viable options for rit hero builds and the number of rit heroes available: For the most part, you have SoS, SoGM, and ST. SoS should be brought in just about every case imaginable, and SoGM and ST both are highly viable depending on the situation. All three of those are still effective enough that you'd probably rather have two of them than the majority of other hero builds. This same argument applies for a Panic mesmer and an Ilusion mesmer. Rits are also in a similar case to MM's (but even more prominent) in that you can't run two copies of the same build, because the spirits can't stack, and thus you bring as many different spirits as possible.
 * Bottom line, with hero builds one should take into the account that you have both a total hero limit and a limit on hero professions, and hero builds should be rated with all of the implications of those factors in mind. -- Jai . -  01:53, July 23 2011 (UTC)

No, really.
I do have a paragon, and I have used that build. Energy management is fine. What else would you run on a para if you wanted damage output? AegisDok 23:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I simply don't, because I believe it just isn't worth running in the first place. The build is just a substitude for a broken class, which only purpose is spamming SY! It's also a real waste of your elite skill imo. Besides, have you seen how they hold their daggers? It looks bloody retarded! <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 23:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you're talking about the para dagger build... It's useful because having a melee player build makes heroes far more efficient because you can ball and tank and whatnot. You wouldn't really want to run it anywhere outside of hero teams. -- Jai . -  23:55, July 23 2011 (UTC)
 * So paragons shouldn't be allowed to H/H efficiently? Imbagon is rarely necessary; the player would be better off running melee, and would do more damage at that. AegisDok 00:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I usually run my own version of racway, if used together with Orders the damage output is pretty good actually :) I seriously can't effectively spam dagger skills with this build's energy management. =/ <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 00:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * racway is boring and slow, you should be ashamed. That said, energy is hard with daggers even without spamming TN2F. the scythe para isn't redeemable after the nerf either.-- Relyk 05:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you use a paragon with 7H, you won't have to ball things and hold aggro because you have SY and TNTF and, in extreme cases, ToF. You can still ball, anyway; just throw your spear at melee range... See? Minion Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 11:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Dutch guy
You know that there are some people who just want to "breek elk bot in je lichaam!" :P <font color="3333CC"><font color="3300CC">Le Shadow Form <font color="3366CC">Slayer     11:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha I bet there are :P <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 17:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Your vote on this build.
The build is no longer tagged for heroes; please reconsider your vote. AegisDok 06:12, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will do that :) <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 08:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Consistency
On top of that, it produces minimal AoE damage, which counts in PvE; single-target dps from daggers is worthless and a spear triggers Splinter just as well without gimping your bar. You may want to consider trashing this, this, this, this, this, and this as well. AegisDok 16:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The ranger lacks alternatives, has 70 armor and actually has skills and a primairy attribute which synergise with dagger spam. The same can be said about the warrior, although Enduring Axe is superior, so yeah I wouldn't mind that one being thrased. Unfortunately, for you apparently, these things don't hold up for casters. If you have Panic, MoP or AP to your disposal you must be mad if you're seriously thinking about running this for the sake of DPS. If PvX had a gimmick section I would rate the build 5/5 though. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 17:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

1RV
How do you not know better at this point? --  Toraen   talk  17:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * He re-reverted me and his code was messed up! Anyway, sorry boss =P <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 17:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I can assure you, if you posted it on the talk page, I (or Toraen) would've taken care of it immediately.-- Relyk 18:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I like to take matters into my own hands. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 12:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Derp
Geweldig werk met die hero running shit. :P <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 13:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha ja inderdaad, "Fall Back" op een hero pleuren kan iedereen verzinnen :P <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 14:05, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, zag je die hele tekst die ik schreef. Zown lang ding heb ik nog nooit vantevoren geschreven XD<FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 16:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Inderdaad, heel verhaal! Maar je hebt wel gelijk =) <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 12:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Dagger Pet
Pets actually don't mess up aggro that often. The biggest issue is that they can die easily in some areas and leave your skills disabled. Also it really shouldn't be voted lower than the non-pet version. --  Toraen   talk  03:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't agree, in the one build you're simply not stuck with a pet which is an advantage. If you want to use a pet, go ahead and use the other build. But I dislike pets, for obvious reasons. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 12:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Pets are cool if your monks/healers can withstand their pain. They are an extra body, which always helps in PvE, they provide extra physical damage to trigger Mark of Pain and Barbs, not to mention GDW and SoH! Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Who would put GDW/SoH on a pet?-- Relyk 19:46, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I SoH my pet when running a heroway. It's an appreciable increase in damage and there's not much reason to not do so. GDW would only make sense if you had a fellow player who was ok with being a support role in PvE (and priority would go to keeping it up on you). --  Toraen   talk  19:53, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As a necromancer who almost exclusively runs MoP nuker; I always take GDW for my heroes. It's more of a prot than a weapon, which helps in heroways when you don't have access to SY. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 19:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but as a ranger running dagger/pet you'd probably not bother stopping to keep GDW on your pet or heroes. You'd spend time casting instead of attacking. --  Toraen   talk  20:44, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly, maintaining 2x copies of GDW creates more DPS than the ranger :P Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 22:12, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

dps-- Relyk 02:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * About as much DPS as a flare spammer ;) GDW provides more (depending on what you cast it on) Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 03:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Excluded, you have quite an obsession with GDW.-- Relyk 11:20, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't blame him because it's an awesome skill, but unfortunately not really usable with heroes. *remembers ANet saying to fix hero melee AI a while ago* <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 12:10, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But it's only usable in a small amount of situations, yet Excluded makes it sound like it should be mainbarred on every team build and support build in the game. -- Jai . -  15:24, September 25 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have a physical player who can benefit it's amazing, but as a physical player leading a heroway it's pretty pointless. Your casters will barely start wanding before you've killed everything. --  Toraen   talk  15:36, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But Splinter Weapon is better than GDW in a large amount of situations (especially when you have multiple copies), whereas GDW is mainly useful in player groups with at least 2 physicals and a lot of cspacing. -- Jai . -  15:52, September 25 2011 (UTC)
 * Splinter is still great in human teams in areas with big mobs; a few dungeons and DoA. Not many. Ӎiñon Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg 11:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

UW last night
Was much better; finished 1:39. Smoother all-round, though two of the physicals were still slow to respond, the MoP and SoS players were more aggressive and 4H wasn't rushed. Don't think I needed to use the last essence when fighting Dhuum... With ward of Wisdom, spamming two GDWs stop Dhuum from doing any damage at all. At one point he glitched and there were two Dhuums...  Ӎiñon  11:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Good job! I'm sad to have missed that =P Physway FTW! <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 17:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Meleemanzw0r
I'm trying my hand at being fair when taking arms against bad ratings on meleemancer (so pplz can see theres no bias). Mind changing your reasoning to better show your 5-5- rating? :D Ӎiñon  17:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure no problem :P <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 17:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He likes trains now :P <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 17:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Your IP
Has 5 users on it. What is your relationship with users Razor, MarcSinus, Absolute, and Nero? I find that their edits are often interspersed closely with yours, which seems to preclude having a single connection shared among different people. --  Toraen   talk  04:02, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, any incidents of a single build being voted on by more than one of them? AegisDok 04:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There are, but it's difficult to search all votes and the only pattern in votes I found was that there tended to be copy pasted votes, but not always. Although 3 of the listed users don't have many contributions (mostly to their user pages), and yet vote. --  Toraen   talk  04:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Come on Vorpal. This kind of attitude regarding the democratic process gave us Bush is rather unethical. :/ AegisDok 04:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * All I can think of in defense is that he has a few friends with an account, and that he is allowed to go on them once in a while, or that his friends use his computer, idk :S. <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 07:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They are actually accounts of some friends of mine, we often play gw at my house so I guess we share an external IP address at that time. I can assure you that I have zero intention of manipulating the pvx voting system in any way. I do admit that there recently was a moment in which I convinced them to all vote 5-5 for Minion's Locust Trigger build, I love the drama and wanted it to continue a bit longer, it was going to be thrashed anyway. Other than that, I plead not guilty! <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 09:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Still it's not good to manipulate it with friends. That way, everyone can suddenly rate their builds high <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 09:49, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I suppose that's true in some way, it didn't really effect the rating though (it didn't got above 3.75) and they are not MY accounts, bu you have my sincere apologies. <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 12:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ;), no damage is done (just like with that build) <FONT COLOR="#000000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000033">h</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000066">a</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00009a">d</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000cd">o</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff">w</FONT> 12:18, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as you're telling the truth, it's no different from the general bandwagoning that's gone on on PvX for pretty much its whole lifespan. -- Jai . -  14:58, October 15 2011 (UTC)

Ok, for now I believe you. I'd like to request that the others contribute more outside voting if possible though, since doing nothing but copypasting votes always looks suspicious. If they do not ever use PvX on their own IPs, then they will have to avoid voting on the same builds as each other and you in the future. --  Toraen   talk  15:49, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ï'll make sure of that Torean, sorry for the inconvenience. Off-topic: can somebody explain how I archive my talk page? Because this page is becoming awfully long. =/ <font color="Black">Vorpal [[Image:Vorpal_Signature_1.jpg|19px]] 17:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)