User talk:Ekko/Vampiric Weapons

So, yeah. There's your proof. If you feel I did something wrong, let me know.
 * You're still missing the 80% chance Sundering won't proc. Also, Sundering is proportionally more powerful against higher armors, but it still gets its ass beat by Vampiric and Ebon. --71.229 21:48, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Most vampirics are 3/-1 Enj oy  [[Image:Frenzy.jpg|18px|User:Enjoy]] phailer! 21:52, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
 * So that reduces the effectiveness of Vampiric relative to your calculations by two-fifths. Sundering, however, is reduced by four-fifths.  I'm gonna trust Ensign's math on this one tbh. --71.229 22:01, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Yep. The fact that sundering weapons are actually 20/20, meaning 20% chance of doing 20% penetration, is completely, utterly and totally neglected. BAD.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ  22:04, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

On 20%
I haven't neglected that. If you look at the proof, I've taken that into account by using 5 attacks, (averaging 1 time Sundering activates). Read the actual math before saying I left something out. Ekko (Brother Starr) 16:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You're getting all this out of 5 attacks? Wut??  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 16:29, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yup. I did, however forget to multiply Vampiric's effectiveness by 5, so I'm going to change that, as well as make adjustments for the 3/-1 weapons.  Expect an update in about 10 or 15 minutes at the most. [[Image:EkkoWord.jpg|50x19px]]Ekko (Brother Starr)  16:30, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * You can't prove anything out of 5 attacks :/ How can you get viable average numbers with just 5 attacks?? That's just oo little.  ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ [[Image:Panic_srsbsns.gif|37px]] 16:33, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * The bit that confused me was the 5x+5 bit. If the +5 is the vampiric, your math is saying it only triggers once every five hits.  And @Ricky, weapon damage is left as a variable, and sundering and vampiric procs are constants. --71.229 16:34, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 * Yup, and that's the bit I was redoing. It turns out that you need about +45 damage on an attack for sundering to beat vampiric (daggers, hammers, scythes, and bows need much more).  My math was flawed because I forgot to multiply vampiric's effect with the weapon, but not for the reasons you originally claimed.  I'll admit my mistake and remove the link from my userpage, but I can't believe it was such a trivial little thing like that.  Then again, if you happen to deal +45 damage (that's something like Galrath Slash+Brutal Weapon, for example), it is better to use a sundering.
 * Consider this argument lost. =( [[Image:EkkoWord.jpg|50x19px]]Ekko (Brother Starr)  16:47, 13 May 2008 (EDT)