Archive talk:D/Mo Life Sheath Dervish

A fun effective build in RA. The element of surprise is a big help too. --EV AN ER GEL  TON US   21:10, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * d --Ojamo  (>.<( O=(- -Q)  21:10, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * fun stuff, was this the one i posted on that talk somewhere? Gringo 21:11, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yeah, made it into another build. Just put the other one into testing. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]EV AN ER GEL  TON US   21:13, 25 January 2009 (EST)
 * Normally I'm not one for faggy non-meta builds, but this is pretty awesome. Napalm [[Image:Napalm_Flame_Sig.jpg‎|25px]] Flame <font color=#000000>contributions  09:01, 26 January 2009 (EST)

This is pro tbh, pretty much as much powerheal as WoH with better emanagement and condition removal--<font color=#C68E17>Golden <font color=#C68E17>Star 17:17, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Rate nggrs --<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   17:16, 26 January 2009 (EST)

looks really fun to use but im not sure yet, will have to do some testing tommarow <font color="Blue">The X Revenger  22:05, 26 January 2009 (EST)

ZOMG
an actual vetted monkvish! 23:24, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * not vetted yet, but if it does its because of sexy saints buildmaking. Gringo 23:26, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * and there it goes. gee gee Gringo 23:32, 26 January 2009 (EST)
 * I just shat myself too...-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 02:06, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Okay....
Now that we're all over the amazement of a D/Mo actually getting vetted, i think we need to do something. I know it's against PvX policy, but has anyone ACTUALLY tested this? Are all these votes theorycraft, or does this actually work?  Life  20:52, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * I actually ran this, it's pretty decent, only prob is ppl ganking u cause u do not have as much self heal as a monk does [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  20:55, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * I've actually played against these in RA, and they're pretty hard to crack due to weakness, lots of block, and lack of cond removal. <font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="darkblue">crazy [[Image:Cow.png]]<font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="orange">cow  20:55, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * hmmi made a point of running it for a few hours, which is why i changed attributes it needed more energy. 3 hours = 12 glads, not bad for RA i guess...Saint 20:56, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * @Muffin, Vital Boon -> SoPL a lot? <font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="darkblue">crazy [[Image:Cow.png]]<font face="Tekton Pro Ext" color="orange">cow  20:57, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * not spammable -_- [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  22:07, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * Big enough when paired with armor sanc/life sheath that it doesnt have to be, its a huge self heal.. Saint 22:10, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * not if your getting ganked 24/7 [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  22:13, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * so nothing is holding back your offense because theyre all on you, and if you actually run it youll realize that in 4v4 its not hard to stay alive with this. Saint 22:16, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * point is monk> this [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  22:17, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * sigh, going to force me to explain? this has superior protting abilities (life sheath doesnt have to remove a condition to act like RoF), this can easily handle palm strike sins (the most meta frontliner in RA by far), this can pump out power heals (eles and other high damage characters are very common in RA, and a monk cant always handle the damage they throw out), this can handle hexes just as well, and shield of force is great defense, especially against rangers. this also has superior energy management, meaning this can hold up for a long time with no blue bar issues at all. Saint 22:22, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * imo i still think monks > this [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  22:24, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * Making me type out an entire argument and then responding with a statement and absolutely nothing to back it up is kind of stupidly non constructive. Saint 22:29, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * Rule 11: All of your carefully picked arguments can easily be ignored. --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  09:18, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Aura of Thorns a viable alternative to Shield of Force? Keeps the melee off your back well, also gets +win for being an enchantment and meshing with Armor of Sanctity, and bleeding as an end effect is just bonus points. --Noobslayer
 * Problem then becomes rangers, who can get your SoPL down which leaves you with not enough healing, and/or warriors who will sit you on your ass =/. Saint 22:30, 27 January 2009 (EST)
 * ok fine here's my explanation: I deleted my pve derv and my pve monk has a voltaic spear dyed black and matching armor and looks awsome, and my pvp derv doesnt look as cool, and coolness is a vital attribute in RA [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  22:37, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Lingering Curse
This build is suprisingly effective, however, lingering necros are extreamly common in RA now and 1 hex remover just doesnt cut it. Even before the buff to lingering monks would typically bring 2 hex removers, but it wasn't a neccesity, now with the lingering buff 2 hex removers is mandatory. While it's exciting to see a derv healer in the great category for RA, it will probably end up in the good category because it is inferior to monks with 2 hex removers in this meta.(Timcago 23:53, 27 January 2009 (EST)).
 * Yes, it is hard to powerheal in excessive pressure. Mystic Regen may be able to help self-healing though. [[Image:mightymouse.gif|25px]] moush  00:00, 28 January 2009 (EST)

No rez Signet?
Are you going to say this build is the equivalent of a monk build that can get away without a Rez Signet? Kiteeye 01:54, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * imbue health and life sheath are strong--Relyk 02:00, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * Any healing build, Rit, N/Rt, Monk, Derv Healer, should not have a resurrection signet on it's bar. you loose valuable time in where you could keep the rest of your team alive and potentially get yourself spiked down in. So no, having a res signet on this bar is utterly retarded.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 04:22, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * yes --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  09:16, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Lol
I tested this for the first time a few minutes ago. I put together what I could best remember from the build (which turned out to be accurate except hex removal). I only had a few minutes so I put everything together and boom.....



I actually got another win after this too but forgot to SS before I had to go. Say whatever you'd like about counters, this build packs everything needed for RA. --<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   18:01, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * jebus got 7 with a patient spirit defy pain endure pain wammo, an SS from RA proves nothing :/ [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  18:05, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * and its only 7 wins <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#DAA520">Hydralisk [[Image:IH_sig.jpg|19px]] 18:05, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * 17 with it last night..its fun bar to run =). Saint 18:07, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * No I know, you guys are right. It really doesn't prove anything, but its cool that the first time I run it I get 7 in a row (we would have went a lot further if I wouldn't have had to go). Its a strong build. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   18:09, 28 January 2009 (EST)

iv had 21 wins with that before all the nerfs/buffs etc. RA is srs bsns <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#DAA520">Hydralisk  18:11, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * I got 10 first time with boon signet monk, I guess it's better than this. Oh well. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  18:10, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Interruption
Skakid9090 stated in his vote that if your signet of pious light gets interrupted, than this build becomes trash. I disagree because even if it gets d shot you still have your most powerful heal, Imbue health, and your elite heal, life sheath, to keep your teammates alive with. Also, he made it sound as if any decent ranger can easily d shot SOPL, which is nonsense because he is forgetting that you are supposed to keep guardian up on yourself at all times when facing rangers because it reduces a rangers chance of d-shotting you to 50% (it’s probably more like 10% for the average RA ranger). Magebane is the exception here, but you rarely run into a Magebane ranger in RA. The vast majority of rangers are BA turrets on the international servers, or some stinking pile of crap build on American servers. If you believe that interruption is significant enough to give this build a 3, than explain how interruption is 2 points more serious for this build, than the vetted great WoH builds.(Timcago 18:18, 28 January 2009 (EST)).
 * I generally agree with you, although I wouldn't have the attention span to write that much. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   18:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * tl;dr. does SoF block magebane..? just wondering, doubt it . Saint 18:21, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'd guess no. Who runs magebane in RA anyway. If you get hit by that, its just unlucky imo. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   18:24, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * it does not, but weakness is still applied --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  18:30, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * hiidshottedurguardian. ska's points are valid in a sense that you lose some of your healing and all of your preprotting.  i don't know if that warrants a 3-3 but you have to realize guardian is a 1 sec cast too and is d shot food.  you should be spamming guardian on yourself, you should be using it to pre prot.  and saying that you rarely run into magebane rangers in RA does not make your build good.  a counter is a counter.  and i do magebane in RA a lot.<font color="Teal">-WaffleZ LOL-  18:35, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * i herd dshot gets blocked by shield of force if the derv isnt retarded --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  18:36, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * so i herd there are more physics in RA <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#DAA520">Hydralisk [[Image:IH_sig.jpg|19px]] 18:41, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * (EC)lol shield of force is maintable amirite? betting that every shield of force you cast is gonna block d shot is retarted. there are other people that will be attackinglol. sure it will happen every now and then. it has a 12 second recharge so you can't use it before every guardian. i'm not bashing this build, i personally think it's fine.<font color="Teal">-WaffleZ LOL-  18:43, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * because RA rangers are always good enough to reflex dshot guardian --<font color="Purple">Ojamo  <font color="Green">(>.<( O=(- -Q)  18:44, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's hard to miss a 1s cast on your home server with RtW and flail. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 18:51, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's RA. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   19:04, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * You would have to be autistic to miss a 1s cast with rtw + flail--<font color=#C68E17>Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]<font color=#C68E17>Star 19:12, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * True, I've seen some pretty horrible rangers over the years though. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   19:14, 28 January 2009 (EST)

So I hurd
that d-shotting WoH makes you lose games too, is this true?--<font color=#C68E17>Golden <font color=#C68E17>Star 18:46, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's a lot harder to dshot a 3/4 cast than a 1s cast. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 18:50, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * Still not very hard. Stand next to the WoH monk and have a good ping. Or just bring RtW and flail if you're bad at interrupting, with those two anyone can d-shot WoH--<font color=#C68E17>Golden [[image:Goldenstar.JPG|19px]]<font color=#C68E17>Star 19:02, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * It's incredibly easy to d-shot WoH. Which is just sad.--66.192.104.10 19:26, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Just got 11 straight again. The part i like most is the energy management. You dont run out of energy unless you're under extreme pressure. That then allows you to heal and prot your teammates. You guys really need to play this. --<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   21:15, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * its in Great and you sound like youre complaining lol. Saint 21:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'm raving about it. I can't get enough of this build. I'm telling the 4-4 voters to go try it and they'll see why this should be 5-4. Call me what you will, but I'd rather run this over a WoH monk in arenas anyday. --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   21:22, 28 January 2009 (EST)

lol you can't dshot woh easily. --<font color="Black">Readem 09:46, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Variants include divine healing to replace cure, cure for vig, sor for cure. Atts are all heal and divine + 8 tactics. --<font color="Black">Readem 10:03, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * the point im trying to make isnt that woh is so easy to dshot, its that with 2 blocks, 2 1/4 casts, and a free casting signet which you can cancel with, you should be able to get around RA rangers. Saint 10:09, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * The point I am trying to make is that RA is stupidly easy, and can be won with virtually anything. The above bar is superior anyways. --<font color="Black">Readem 10:14, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * ra rangers spam rupts like the head-on commercial [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  12:24, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * true statement is true. -- -Ch ao s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 12:44, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * i noticed that above bar contains no condi removal. 16:10, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * ^ as i scrolled down i noticed that. drop one of the hex removals for mend touch perhaps.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 16:32, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * let's run up to our frontliners and poke them. range is a good thing. -- -Ch ao s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 16:38, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Chaos you theorycraft waaaay too much [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  16:39, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * I'm chronic, help me. -- -Ch ao s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 16:42, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * the only semi-decent condition removal is dismiss (And only if you have vig spirit). everything else is rather shitty and should not take the place of additional hex removal. vigorous spirit is probably one of the best skills in the game. --<font color="Black">Readem 17:15, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * so remind me why nobody in HA takes vig over RC. Vig wont cure blind on your war or daze on your necro. 22:10, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Because HA is full of shit people running shit builds on broken maps? Where no amount of part-healing can relieve pressure off 3 SH eles + RI? Don't be such an idiot. --<font color="Black">Readem 00:27, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * You consider that to be a great monk build…? Without condition remover, you cannot remove deep wound, blind, or daze.  Divine spirit is a bad excuse for energy management considering it takes a down payment of 10 energy to activate, last for 10 seconds, and has a 60 second recharge.  Signet of rejuvenation is a far superior choice since it can be caste through backfire and shame.  Deny Hexes is inferior to spotless and cure hex even with divine spirit since you can only remove 2 hexes once every 60 seconds.  Without guardian you cannot pre protect against melee spikes or give your casters a 50% chance to avoid interruption from rangers.  The health benefit from Vigorous spirit sucks when used on necros, mesmers, elementalists, yourself, most dervs, and hammer wars. Shall I continue?(Timcago 23:08, 29 January 2009 (EST)).
 * Check updates. Hexes popular. Sync a necro in. Gag on a dick.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 00:15, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * By update do you mean lingering curse? *points to author of lingering curse heading on this talk page* Hexes are popular, yet that monk build is still bad. See above comment for an explanation Mr. Ad Hom-I-can-only-win-if-I-sync-RA-Mgrinshpon.(Timcago 01:24, 30 January 2009 (EST)).
 * Hi. Learn how Divine and Deny work together. Thanks. [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 10:15, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * This is an RA bar. Not a lot of melee spikes... --<font color="Black">Readem 10:17, 30 January 2009 (EST)

PC solving 20s disable
Dshot when you have 1 enchantent disables it for 20 seconds. If you use the excuse "always have 2 enchants before using SoPL", then you're dumb. &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! 16:48, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * You are supposed to have Guardian up at all time, you probably going to have Armor and Boon on you too but these are just assumptions I dont play pvp its boring. --Anonimous. D: 16:53, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * I heard that RA has a system that forces at least 1 ranger with dshot into every RA match.....oh, wait....It's tagged for RA, don't worry about it. [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">16:53, 29 January 2009 
 * Maintaining Guardian on yourself pretty much defeats the object of having it. And stop the PvP/PvE trolling, it got old several weeks ago. [[Image:Cute McMonkey.png]]Tab 16:55, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Yea...maintaining guardian permanently on yourself is kinda stupid.... [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">16:56, 29 January 2009 
 * Think so and Im not trolling. --Anonimous. D: 17:00, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * ska i dont remember where but werent you once plugging for "sopl is free to cancel as much as you want"? Saint 17:18, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * User:PvESkadiddly &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 17:24, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * I heard that a counter is a counter, and i think rangers with d shot are prevalent enough in RA to warrant them being a counter to this build.<font color="Teal">-WaffleZ LOL- 17:30, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * so without PC you cry and then with it you cry more...? Saint 17:31, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * which of the 5 enchants is going to get dshotted and destroy this build? Moreover, if you run into a ranger w/dshot which skill do you think he's going to try and dshot? [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">17:33, 29 January 2009 
 * sig <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#DAA520">Hydralisk [[Image:IH_sig.jpg|19px]] 17:34, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * $20 says he aims for LS, which he most likely wont get.....so, yea. [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">17:35, 29 January 2009 
 * It's gone again. We could drop AoS for it??? --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   17:36, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * a 1/4? gg <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#DAA520">Hydralisk [[Image:IH_sig.jpg|19px]] 17:38, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * no, thats the fuel for sopl, and unless you wanna spam life sheath on yourself (and if you do and get hit while casting sopl ittl disable for 20), you wouldn't be able to fuel it with anything else. Saint 17:39, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Relyks, Aurons, and Goldenstars votes need to be restored again now. SoF is back in the mainbar, and should stay there. --<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   17:38, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * this wheel war (<3 mis) stuff is getting old. ill restore the votes but thats the last ill have to do with this. Saint 17:41, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Hold your horses. Btw, Angelus as per PvX:SIGN your sig is too long in the edit window. You get 3 lines or something at 800x600. [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">17:43, 29 January 2009 
 * Dont be an admin KJ --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   17:46, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Not trying to be. Just trying to help out. Take a ss of it and make it a .png image. That's what I've been doing for a while. It's easier and makes the edit pages look less.....crazy. [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">17:48, 29 January 2009 
 * better to use a SUBST so you can edit it later and stuff. if you need help with it drop me a note on talk. Saint 17:49, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Don't be a BM, Saint....oh, wait....you are. Hey buddy! [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">17:50, 29 January 2009 

Pious Concentrations is a variant I think--Relyk 10:59, 2 February 2009 (EST)

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEL WAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Wai so srs? -  (talk)  17:41, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * this means war &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 17:42, 29 January 2009 (EST)

["Charge!"] <font color="#000000">Infested <font color="#DAA520">Hydralisk  17:43, 29 January 2009 (EST)


 * ..... --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   17:45, 29 January 2009 (EST)

FFS
enough of D-Shot is a counter. D-shot counters every skill in the game except shouts and stances if used properly, or hits luckily. Stop debating about an all-counter. It's like arguing a build is terrible because it's countered by fucking blackout.-- Ikimono <font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon 18:30, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage --[[Image:Tai_Sig.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">18:31, 29 January 2009 
 * u mad bro? --[[Image:Evertonangelus.gif|19px]]<font color="Blue">EV <font color="DarkBlue">AN <font color="Blue">ER <font color="DarkBlue">GEL  <font color="Blue">TON <font color="DarkBlue">US   18:42, 29 January 2009 (EST)


 * If 1 skill gets dshotted you're not very useful. :( &mdash; <font color="#CC0099">Skakid  Rally- kupo! [[Image:S9M.png]] 19:25, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * even SoF? I can't see that killing you or your team. [[Image:Oh noes sig KJ.png]] <small style="font-variant:small-caps"><font face="Aharoni" color="green" variant="small caps">19:30, 29 January 2009 
 * How bout just learn to fucking monk? Novel idea I know. Also this does not have superior red bar to a monk, all it really has going for it is + energy management and slightly more defense than a normal monk, both of which can be remedied on a normal monk by not being a fucking shitter. Also Dshot does hurt this more,if it gets sig you loose 75% of your red bar ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 20:59, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * We're not saying the disabling factor of dshot is a counter, it's the fact that you have 2 1 sec casts and if either of them gets caught you half your red bar ability or all your pre protting ability gone -WaffleZ LOL-  21:30, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * So thats is what you're saying --99.13.220.236 21:43, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Or just use SoF before casting SoPL; it blocks D-shot. :3 22:04, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Or just don't be bad and run a monk. 72.94.128.229 22:24, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * no, it isn't. what he argues is that anything that disables is a a counter to any build, and i agree with that.  what i am saying is that you have 2 skills susceptible to easy shutdown, and that if one of these skills is shut down, your usefulness is significantly reduced.  When a woh or rc is d shotted, the player still has the ability to red bar and do basic monking.  d shot sopl and you lose half your redbar, d shot guardian and say bye bye preprotting which means you have to power heal and you can say bye to your energy.  -WaffleZ LOL-  22:28, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * Jebus that statement alone tells me you're bad. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 23:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * lets ease up on the NPA, and his statement wasn't blatently wrong, it does block dshot, maybe im missing your point. Saint 23:24, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * 1) You can only do that once every 12 seconds, so if you see it go up you dont dshot. 2) you'll be cuing another enchantment before you SoF so the ranger watching will be able to tell pretty easily. 3) If you don't cue another enchantment savage will strip SoF and sig will be disabled for 20 seconds anyway. This also assumes that the entire time It will just be between the ranger and the derv healer, which isn't a likely case in RA. ﮎHædõ๘ یíɳ [[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG|19px]] 23:47, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * signets are free to cast, canceling is fun, and jebus wasn't saying you have to rely on SoF to get it off, hes saying its a net to fall back on. Saint 23:58, 29 January 2009 (EST)
 * A net to fall back on that has double the recharge of guardian and that can/probably will be stripped by another physical on the other team unless the only physical is a ranger and you might as well quit. ~WaffleZ  LOL  08:18, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * "can/probably will be stripped by another physical on the other team" wut? Few physicals bring enchant removal. -- -Ch ao s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 08:21, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * Attack skills strip SoF. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] (talk)  08:24, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * "removed" would've been a better word. -- -Ch ao s-  [[Image:TheDentist.jpg|19px]] 08:40, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * End [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]]<font color="Blue">Frosty <font color="Blue"> po!  10:18, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Baww  Ricky vantof  10:23, 30 January 2009 (EST)
 * common sense would've been a better thing to have ~WaffleZ  LOL  10:57, 31 January 2009 (EST)
 * This guy, he's so unique and funny. -- -Ch ao s-   10:54, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Aaaaaaaand
Buffed.-- Ikimono "My beard is thick."  05:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Still needs Shield of Force? -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ofc still needs shield of force--TahiriVeila 13:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, redundacy ftl. Replace with Vow of Piety at 3 wind for uber not-taking-any-damage-ness. <font color="royal purple">П ALANA  16:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Um no? Shield of force is so you don't get d shot 24/7, and so you can actually do something about KDs. Drahgal Meir 16:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Was running this in ra, and Ranger kept on rupting my 1 sec sig + 1 sec vital boon, but at least i was able to tank the 3 other warriors + ranger till the 0:23 mark. Saw a ton of 000 on my screen from buffed armor of sanctity (my hp was at ~30 at the time) [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:15, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * armor is gay, even worse than people spamming mystic regen when it lasted 20 seconds--Relyk 22:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Defy Pain, now available in caster form!-- Ikimono "My beard is thick." [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 00:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh they fixed it now. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  00:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It still is defy pain for casters, the aoe effect is just smaller. If your team has a war, sin, ranger, dervish; you're pretty much guaranteed to have the condition met.--66.192.104.13 03:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

AoS nerf
Well, now how are you going to spam SoPL? -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  10:18, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * If it worked before AoS buff it should work after it. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:41, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because the recharge of AoS was always 5 seconds, meaning it was a great skill to use with SoPL (since you could put it back up so quickly), now you can't do that. -- <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty  <span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin  10:46, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, it was in the bar already before it. Have Ninefingers test if it functions without it ;o if not we just have to insert another enchantment. -- -Ch  ao  s-   10:57, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * If ninefingers can get it to work, then the build is perfectly fine as is.-- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 13:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * IMHO, the AoS nerf shouldn't be hard on this build at all. Using Guardian and Life Sheath on yourself should be plenty of fuel for SoPL by themselves. You can just keep AoS and SoF going for self preservation.  I haven't played any myself since the nerf, but my wife has been running the D/Me business as usual (I watched her get 2 ten runs in a row this evening) and the D/Me relies on AoS more than this build does.  I pitched a bitch on GWWiki about all theis AOS bullshit.  They should have just left it alone to begin with... Skill Balancing Bullshit--<font color="Blue">Α--йĨйƏҒỉйGƏЯş--Ω  01:20, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

About dervish healing
why is the ninefingers healer not up?
 * It was trashed :> -- Chaos?  -- 15:43, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously? Why, echo imbue is awesome D:!--GWPirate 16:58, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lack of hex removal and ability to prot. -- Chaos?  -- 17:04, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only person that could actually use that build is ninefingers himself [[Image:Muffin.jpg|19px]]<font color="Brown">P WNAGEMUFFIN   <font color="Green">crabs  17:56, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * And he uses a footpad :> Yeah, I've never seen a good Ninefingers healer. I met Ninefingers in RA once and his team was of the level mending necro. -- Chaos?  -- 17:59, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait what??? Where can I buy me one of those lmao...I really wanna try that now. Super control here I come. First person shooters where walking is repeatedly hitting the pedals, woo! --<font color ="Blue">Ikimono <font color ="Brown"> "...And my axe!" [[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 02:53, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * instructions on how to build it are on his user page. Gringo 03:31, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Pious Concentration nerf
That pretty much destroyed the build, no? <small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:#BEBEBE;background-color:black;padding:1px 5px 2px 6px;"> Terran  01:43, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really, cuz this actually has mysticism and has tons of enchants. Life   Guardian  01:52, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Gaurdian...?
Reading above, there was apparently Guardian on this build to let you counter ranger interrupts and the like. Why was it removed? 71.48.47.95
 * because without pious concentration you get facestomped. Gringo 04:27, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

mesmers
with the new mesmerupdate u gonna get pwnd if u run this.

Is this build still worth using? Or is it totally crap now because of mesmer update and nerfes to the skills in this build?213.46.85.212 08:47, July 23, 2010 (UTC)